‘Dangerous Grounds’: Tony Perkins Blasts Starbucks‘ ’Radical Agenda’ for Supporting WA Gay Marriage Bill
- Posted on February 3, 2012 at 4:24pm by
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Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council (FRC) made some tough statements against Starbucks this morning. Perkins, among other Christians leaders, is speaking out against the coffee company and its support for gay marriage legislation in Washington state.
The FRC president unleashed his angst over Starbuck’s decision, calling it an “attack on marriage,“ while lamenting what he sees as a ”radical agenda.”
Perkins, who held little back during the brief address, warned that Starbucks will be “on dangerous grounds” if the company chooses to “focus on politics.” Here’s the complete transcript (via Right Wing Watch) from his “Washington Watch” radio commentary this morning:
There’s more than coffee brewing at Starbucks. There’s controversy too. Hello, I’m Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council in Washington, D.C. Starbucks is stirring the pot all right, but with a liberal agenda that’s got customers shaking their heads. In the fight over marriage in Washington State, the Seattle company is picking sides. Last week, the chain announced it’ll join the attack on marriage and endorse homosexual unions.
Spokesman Karen Holmes said, “This important legislation is aligned with Starbucks business practices… It is core to who we are and what we value as a company.” Well, it may be at the core of who Starbucks is, but it’s not at the core of who America is. Voters overwhelmingly believe in man-woman marriage–and they’ve passed 30 straight amendments to prove it. If Starbucks thinks people like their radical agenda, I hate to spill the beans. But people can get their caffeine fix anywhere. So if Starbucks wants to focus on politics, then its profits are on dangerous grounds.
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The nation‘s views on homosexuality aren’t necessarily concrete. In 2011, for the first time in tracking history, Gallup found that a majority of Americans now support legalizing gay marriage (53 percent versus 45 percent). But just months later, another poll found that nearly half of Americans would support a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage.
The Advocate has more regarding Starbucks’ support for the state initiative:
Executives with the $10 billion company based in Seattle released a statement late Tuesday in support of a legislative effort to make Washington the seventh state plus the District of Columbia where marriage is legal for same-sex couples.
Starbucks joins other companies headquartered in the state such as Microsoft in backing the bill, which has reached critical mass of support in the house and senate. Gov. Chris Gregoire has said she will sign the bill into law.
While gay rights advocates are praising the company’s stance on the matter, Perkins isn’t alone in his disapproval of it. Pastor Steven Andrew of USA Christian Ministries is encouraging a boycott of Starbucks.
“Christians are upset with Starbucks for turning against God, but we are glad to know that Starbucks doesn’t pretend to be for Christians,” Andrew said in a press release. The faith leader is calling every Christian and church to launch a mass boycott on Starbucks.
Andrew went on to say that the boycott is important, because God offers blessings to those who obey him. On the flip side, God, Andrew says, judges those who don’t. The pastor cited 2 Chronicles 19:2 in making this claim, which reads, “Jehu the seer, the son of Hanani, went out to meet him and said to the king, ‘Should you help the wicked and love’” (read the full biblical context).
Brian Brown, the president of the National Organization for Marriage (NOM), also railed against the company’s stance in a Jan. 30 press release.
“Americans should be able to drink a peaceful cup of coffee without worrying that a portion of the company’s profits is going to be used to push gay marriage without a vote from the people,” Brown said. “This is a gratuitous leap into a hot button culture war issue; respect for diversity touted by Starbucks ought to include respecting the diverse views of all its customers and employees.”
Despite the rhetoric against the support for the same-sex marriage law, Starbucks doesn’t appear to be backing down.























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lynda1276
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 5:07pmi will never go to Starbucks- ever!!
Report Post »UseReasonNotMagic
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 5:26pmHow can you be a christian and hate so much on a group you probably don’t interact with at all? Is two guys calling themselves husband and husband really that terrible? It is stuff like this that turns me away from Christianity….Rampant Ignorance. You will quote some bible scripture to back your claim, but what about the hundreds of other passages that say things that you don’t agree with and ignore? How can you gonna pick one passage and follow it blindly while another one in the same book is ignored (specifically shellfish is an abomination, but there are plenty others…..A fair god would recognize this and be happy for gay marriage and if he doesn‘t I don’t want any part of him cause he is an *******.. Shame on you people.
Report Post »Todd P
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 5:42pmThis ends our family’s outings to Starbucks – PERMANENTLY.
Report Post »Cservice
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 5:57pmThis is pretty simple really. Gay marriage and being gay is an abomination to the creator not just cause it says it in the bible, but it says it in nature. Think about it, if being gay was natural way of things then same sex couples could get pregnant. But that ain’t happening. So if you really love your brother would you want to go to bed with him? When I think about love I think about truth, and the truth in this matter gay ain’t natural.
Report Post »brother_ed
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 6:06pm@USEREASONNOTMAGIC
We are told to hate the sin, not the sinner.
It’s a fine line, but it can be walked.
The homosexual crowd has thin skins. If we warn them of the eternal consequences of their actions, we are seen as hating them. That is absurd! If we hated them, then we would NOT warn them of the danger they are in due to their lifestyle.
God loves ALL of His children, however He wishes some would behave better.
Does ‘reason’ tell you that homosexuality is proper? You seem to be using ‘magic’ to make the consequences disappear.
Report Post »PaulHR
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 6:15pmme either
Report Post »Leopold
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 6:18pm@USEREASON
Your are absolutely right. There are a lot of other things that we should not be.
And were it not for Christ, we would all fail. But because of Him we can overcome. We all fail over and over again. That is why Jesus paid the price on the Cross. By that act He washed away our sin. Under that cover we can all make it. You do not have to accept that. God gave us a free will. You reject God’s gift and He will respect that for all eternity. However, as long as you live you have the opportunity to accept that which was given freely to us. It is absolutely free, all you have to do is pick it.
1 Corinthians 6:9-11
9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men[a] 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
Report Post »Sparky101
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 6:25pmWow, they were kind of expensive anyway. We’d go out to Starbucks and sip coffee while we chatted. We’d pick up a bag or two to take home. Christmas was always a good time to send my mom a bag. I liked getting it a the store and grinding it fresh for a treat. Sadly, no more. Maxwell House here we come.
Report Post »Hayabusa
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 6:51pm@USEREASONNOTMAGIC
Report Post »“How can you be a christian and…”
I hate the unrepentant behavior not the people. I pray for them. I don’t make them an INTEGRAL part of my life just as I would not any other sinner. They are there to be taught and prayed for. If the “sick” refuse help, there’s nothing more I can do for them.
“Is two guys calling themselves husband and …”
Yes. A simple understanding of biology/physiology should make it apparent the aberrant nature of their behavior.
“It is stuff like this that turns me away from Christianity….Rampant Ignorance.”
Ignorance of physiology/biology ought to turn you away from reinforcing homosexuality as a positive rather than a negative. Your avatar name reveals that you aren’t even open to considering Christianity though you try and imply that you have an open mind.
“You will quote some bible scripture to back your claim, but what about the hundreds of other passages that say things that you don’t agree with and ignore?”
I can easily look to physiology and biology, hard sciences, but you will simply quote “soft” sciences and ignore the hard stuff.
“How can you gonna pick one passage and follow it blindly while another one in the same book is ignored (specifically shellfish is an abomination,…
It’s called understanding the context of the entire message rather than going to atheist websites and sampling verses to prove a point about a topic you do not have an elementary understanding of.
ScottyK7
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 7:16pmI found a great little local coffee shop to replace Starbucks. The money stays in town, and they are closed on Sundays (borrowed the practice from Chick-Fil-A). Works for me.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 8:01pmWe are a secular nation, repeating the mumble jumble of some ancient myth won’t advance a legal argument.
Also, how does what two men do in their own homes affect you. Stop attempting to regulate other people’s bedrooms.
Report Post »Cservice
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 8:14pm@encinom
Report Post »Is it natural for a man to sleep with a man or a woman to sleep with a woman…..No. But the fact of the matter is I don’t care what people do in their bedrooms, but what I do care about is if I have to accept what is unnatural…. and to answer that question… I don’t, and really nobody else does either. The fact is, and you cannot deny it, or you would be a liar….it’s not natural. Go figure.
encinom
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 8:26pmNo, you don’t have to accept it, but whether or not something is acceptable to your morality is not the standard by laws are passed or Basic Civil Rights defined.
Report Post »Leopold
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 8:33pm@Encinom
Gays are absolutely free in having sex with whomever they want. Nobody is in their bedroom. Well, let me correct that. Since God is everywhere I suppose He is in their bedrooms as well as He is in mine and my husbands. And even He does not interfere with what they or we are doing in there. My husband and I are fine with that. I know we have God’s blessing.
Report Post »Cservice
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 8:50pmSo let’s say that I own a restaurant and I give a 2fer to Married couples. However some gay people come in and say we are married give me the 2fer. And I say no your not. But the law says they are then I am in violation of some law. See you want people to accept what is unnatural. This is no mysticism and this is not morality what it is, is unnatural or there would be a bunch of offspring looking for 2fers. You can try to call it a million other things but the truth of the matter it is the agenda to accept the lie that it is a civil rights issue when it is just one thing….unnatural.
Report Post »ConservativesLie
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 9:45pm@CService-
So your whole objection to gay marriage is based on a free meal? Using your dumb @ss argument….isn’t the whole purpose of a “2fer” to get people into your restaurant? So if you give a “2fer” to a hetero married couple in hopes of them buying cocktails and overpriced wine would not the gay couple serve the same purpose? Or is it just the thought of what each of these couples may be doing with the whip cream from their desert when they get home bother you? If you are going to be a bigot admit you are going to be a bigot…..don’t try to hide it in some stupid “2fer” argument!
Report Post »Cservice
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 10:06pm@ConservativesLie
Nope it’s based on someone that wants me to accept something that is unnatural…. and it is unnatural…. yet some people want to make it about a civil rights which it is not. If I want to run what I see as a family restaurant with natural relationships why do I need you to tell me I can’t saying I am discriminating against what some government proclaims as a civil right, but you know what I do discriminate, I don’t let my children watch people being murdered, which also is also unnatural and last I looked murder is against the law. Ah simplicity. As the old adage goes “discriminating parents choose Jiff”
Report Post »ConservativesLie
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 10:17pm@CService
My bet unless you or some other “enlightened” adult pointed out to your kids that table 5 is a gay couple they wouldn’t even notice. As to your unnatural point…..you have a married couple in your restuarant…..that is 2 people who love each other and may or may not be raising children. So maybe the thing you might do is to teach your children tolerance of the life choices of other people. You are not saying to your kids that it is alright…but you are saying that two people who love each other are a good thing! Where would you seat the bi-racial unnatural couples…..or the couples who might have a difference in age……etc! Without teaching tolerance you probably should not let your kids out of your house, watch TV or even read a newspaper!
Report Post »Liberty2076
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 11:22pmNobody is trying to stop people with same sex attractions from doing whatever they want in private, or getting ‘married’ in public. What we’re trying to stop is the government forcing us to recognize it in our PRIVATE businesses, churches, homes etc. as marriage (including the extension of privileges and financial benefits that come out of OUR private moneys). That’s YOU imposing your religion on ME, not the other way around.
Gold card holder for years, went daily and sometimes twice daily for years, think a lot of the company, looks like we’re on different sides in a war against my right to live my life with freedom of religious expression. When it comes time to tell people they can’t speak up and say that they believe it is wrong like they are in Europe, I guess I know which side Starbucks will be on.
So I’m not going to fund the legal effort to strip me of my rights.
Report Post »pschlentz
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 12:09amBye-bye Starbucks, Hellow Coffee Bean! Stick to selling coffee, yours isn’t really all that much different than the other bean grinders!
Report Post »Cservice
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 12:40amConservativesLie
Report Post »If two men are at table 5 good for them, I don’t care about their sexuality, it’s only when I am confronted with it that I have to call it for what it is ….. unnatural. As for loving each other I love my father and my brothers love my sisters love em all. That doesn’t mean I have unnatural physical contact with them. As far as bi-racial couples what does that mean? Why would you bring that up? You think I am a biggot. Yet you are the one who brings up race…. my the hypocracy
HumbleMan
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 1:30amJust crossed-off Starbucks from my list of businesses I will support.
What the liberals (and trolls here) don’t understand, is many of us are unwilling to let you change the rules. You want to redefine the language we use to describe our culture. I have nothing against gay people any more than I have animosity toward people who are ill.
Report Post »HumbleMan
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 1:39am@ENCINUMB
We are NOT a secular nation. We are a Christian nation. You can say it all you want, but that doesn’t make it true. There’s a reason you swear on a bible in court. There’s a reason that Christmas is a federal holiday. There’s a reason that we are tolerant of secular elements among us … That is, among other things what sets us apart from other nations who claim to derive their “rights” from man, not God.
Report Post »SHOWMESTATEGUY
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 3:04amThis is an easy one. Just don’t spend any money at Starbucks. Easy.
I kinda think their shine was fading anyway.
Report Post »GoliathOnline
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 5:42amPeople really need to wake up to the real fact on why they are legalizing gay marriage here.. and its not for the ‘Equality for Gays’ banner that they like to stand behind, but because the bitch of a Governor cant balance A DAMN BUDGET.. they think legalizing gay marriage will balance it for them by bringing more money into the state.. its the same ******** they try to pull with increasing taxes.. if you cant control and budget your spending, no matter how much money you bring in, you will lose it.
Report Post »TomFerrari
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 5:57amHe is right that it would seem wise to NOT get your company involved with politics.
Report Post »He is also right that it would be nice to be able to enjoy a cup of joe without worrying where the money is spent.
And that is why we have McDonalds, Seattle Coffee, etc.
What is with all the corporate influence? The left is attacking corporations to support THEIR beliefs this year, (Komen) why shouldn’t he retaliate.
Is it accidental we are to be ARMED per Ephesians 6, or that we are called “soldiers of God?”
MYHEROISRON
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 7:20amI support the total business failure of Starbucks …
Report Post »waggie
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 7:59amUSEREASONNOTMAGIC – I am not going to blast you as I am sure others will. Please read in the Bible (old testament-Leviticus) where God specifically and unequivocally says that a man lying with a man is an abomination to the Lord. We all have sin in our lives, but that is exactly what it is: SIN. Call it what it is to the Lord, and that is SIN. I’m not a hater of such people, but at the same time I will not sit by and say it’s OK. It’s NOT OK. I will not sit by and accept it. God honors those who honor Him. He also judges those who dishonor Him. Keep that in mind.
Report Post »B_rad
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 8:54am@HumbleMan, You are absolutely right that we are a nation fundamentally based upon Judeo Christian values, but the law is secular. We are not a theocracy. Adultery is not illegal, coveting of your neighbors possessions is not illegal. Nor should they be. Though, I believe their should be civil recourse for the spouse who is victimized by the adulterer. But I digress. The law must be secular, otherwise you are forcing your beliefs on another. Would you wish Catholic law be the law of the land? Not so great for Mormons or Jahovah’s Whitnesses. Neither would the reverse be for all the other Christian faiths. To say nothing of the Budahists and countless other religions. The law (and government in general) is supposed to be for ONE purpose: to safeguard the rights of the individuals (and their families, and then society) against infringement from others. I don’t wish to get into a theological debate about the validity of homosexuality. Speaking strictly from the point of view of liberty, the Christian faith’s views on homosexuality and SSM cannot be forced upon another by using the law. Suppose there is an ancient religion, practiced by millions or billions that was not only tolerant of SSM, but accepting of it. Would you impose your belief, by force of law, upon those people? The gay left has caused this problem by fighting it in all the wrong ways. It was said here earlier that they are trying to change definitions of words, and that is true. It’s the progressive way.
Report Post »LookTowardsTheLight
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 9:16am@UseReasonNotMagic
Judging by your username, you most likely are an atheist. So you see, you really wouldn’t understand these things because you are blinded into excepting everything the SECULAR media and figure heads tell you is acceptable behavior and practices. This is coming from someone who is not religious but has a faith that God and Jesus exists.
Let me break it down for you. Civil Unions, non-discrimination in the work place, etc. Fine.
Man on Man/ Woman On Woman is not Mariage. It shouldn’t be called Mariage. The Gay is a different animal and they should realize this. Whether it’s a choice or genetic, they still shouldn’t think that a TERM such as MARIAGE deemed for Husband and Wife applys to them.
The sooner they accept Civil Unions as the only form of “Mariage” for that element and pushing for people to accept their lifestyle, the sooner we will all get along.
Even better, the sooner they accept God and Jesus and leave the abomination of the world of Sodom, the sooner we can all get along.
Don‘t talk about Christianity when you really fully don’t understand a word of it.
Report Post »B_rad
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 9:18am@CService, arguing with anyone who starts from the premise that conservatives lie, is not going to get you anywhere (but it can be fun). You mentioned several times that homosexuality is not natural. Perhaps not. And it is frequently mentioned that if it was right, same sex couples could procreate. Also, I see the sentiment that if we were all gay, life would cease to exist. All of those are interesting talking points, but they really don’t consider their own validity to the argument. As far as your argument that it is not natural; I can only tell you that it is as natural for me, as your attraction to the opposite sex is for you. I cannot explain the how or the why of it, only that it is. It may deviate from the norm, but it exists in many species, including man. As I said, I cannot explain it, but the feelings are real and I’ve had them for as long as I can remember. As I see it, I have three choices; I can commit fraud on an unsuspecting woman by marrying her without desiring her, I can be celebate for my entire life, or I can find another consenting adult with whom I can act on the feelings that have come as naturally to me as yours have to you. The first option is harming another, and I (through a lot of torment and soul searching) determined that my selfish desire for that lifestyle cannot justify victimizing another. So, in order to do no harm to another, I’m left with the latter two options. A better man than I may be able to remain celebate, but I cannot.
Report Post »LookTowardsTheLight
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 9:18amBTW, I too will not give starbucks my buisness until they do the right thing. I got a gift card from work that I will turn into them so some other sucker can use.
Report Post »LookTowardsTheLight
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 9:22am@Hayabusa
” I don’t make them an INTEGRAL part of my life just as I would not any other sinner.”
If that is the case, then you must be a very lonely person. EVERYONE is and has sinned, a true Christian would know that simple fact. You are sadley mistaken if you think everyone you surround yourself with is perfect.
Report Post »B_rad
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 9:53am@LookTowardTheLight, I’m glad you made the point of Civil Unions. I don’t care if they call it marriage (there are 2 Rs, btw), civil unions, or any other term, so long as there is equal protection under the law. If two people, of whatever gender, make the commitment to dedicate their lives to one another, they should be granted the same benefits and protections as any other couple. Marriage, for the purpose of law, is to create a familial relationship where there previously was none, in order to convey property rights, medical determinations, and a myriad of other protections. Under law, what is the reason to deny these basic protections to persons of the same sex?
Report Post »It is argued that to grant these benefits would somehow lessen or infringe upon the rights of straight marriage – how? I am the biggest proponent of marriage you’re likely to find anywhere. I hold it in far higher regard than a good portion of the straight community, judging by the amount of people who disrespect their spouses and their covenant, in multiple ways, every single day. I fail to see how providing equal protection under the law in any way diminishes the sanctity, or the rights of any married couple.
Since the law cannot prevent two people from living together as they wish, there is no way to prevent the influence of seeing the behavior, so why would legal status somehow cause harm?
Far more damage is done to the institution by straight people, every single day, than could be done by SSM.
LookTowardsTheLight
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 9:53am@encinom
Spewing the usual liberal and socialist nonsense.
You are such a bore. Go ‘occupy’ something instead of wasting our time with your bull crap.
Report Post »ron2win
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 10:02am@USE
Report Post »They are 3% percent out of a population of 3 million.This is not about gay rights .It’s a political agender to cause controversy.Just like abortion .Of all the problems this country has ,why is this in the for front ?To divide the country and ignore the real problems .
Cservice
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 12:05pm@B_Rad
Report Post »If homosexuality is not natural, then what is it? Call it for what it is….unnatural. Just want to make sure we are working on the same definitions. We can agree then that it is unnatural. I differ with you when you say that “I see the sentiment that if we were all gay, life would cease to exist ……. but they really don’t consider their own validity to the argument”. However that is precisely the point to this argument. There is reality outside of our own existence and the reality is its own set of laws that dictate to what is real and what is unreal. What is natural and what is unnatural. What is natural for you does not have the force of nature with it. Why should people go against what is truly natural to accept what is unnatural. Civil unions I have nothing against in the slightest and truly what is done between two consenting adults and not forced upon me to accept I could care less. As far as what you feel…..well that’s between you and the cement, or anyone else who wants to listen.
Hayabusa
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 12:15pm@Looktowardsthelight
I suggest you reread what I wrote. I suggest you put it into context with what the Bible directs and how Jesus showed Christians to live their lives. Jesus fellowship-ed with believers (imperfect but repentant believers who occasionally stumble and sin) but his time with sinners (imperfect people who choose a life of sin and often encourage others to sin) was spent to preach a message of sin, repentance, forgiveness, and salvation. He did not fellowship with them.
When a brother is unrepentant, how am I to treat him? I am told to take him before other brothers and, “If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector.” Is a tax collector or a pagan treated as family? In other words, are they treated or as a brother or sister in Christ? If so, what distinction is Jesus drawing in the verse above?
When Jesus sent the disciples out to spread the Word, did he advise the disciples to make unrepentant sinners a part of their lives or did He tell them, “If people do not welcome you, shake the dust off your feet when you leave their town, as a testimony against them.”? That sounds like not only were the disciples to avoid making sinners an integral part of their lives but they were condemning them for their unrepentant hard-heartedness.
As far as loneliness goes, I’m never lonely as God keeps me constant company.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 12:19pm@Humbleman, where is the Constitution does it say we are a “Christian” nation. I have poured over it and still have not found it. I did find this amendment that says the government can not establish a national religion.
Again we a re a secular nation, are laws do not come from mystical sky father, but are drafted by men.
Report Post »LookTowardsTheLight
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 12:33pm@Hayabusa
Why should I have to re-read it. You wrote it and I quoted it. Be more specific next time.
Report Post »Zenzazin
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 1:01pm@Cservice “So let’s say that I own a restaurant and I give a 2fer to Married couples. However some gay people come in and say we are married give me the 2fer. And I say no your not. But the law says they are then I am in violation of some law. See you want people to accept what is unnatural.”
This is exactly the same kind of argument opponents of interracial marriage said. THAT is why it was brought up, because while you think you aren’t bigoted, saying you would refuse to treat people of a different background than those of the same background to yourself, is, indeed, bigoted. This is why the gov’t passes laws to protect civil rights. So people like you can’t continue to treat those who are different as second-class citizens. Seeing as how your church would never be forced to recognize or perform a gay marriage (that has never been part of any same-sex marriage legislation), this really isn’t an infringement upon your religious freedoms.
You don’t have to accept it… just tolerate it enough to not treat someone in a way you would not want to be treated.
Report Post »Hayabusa
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 1:21pm@Lookingintheshadows
I said, “I suggest you reread what I wrote.” I then got more explicit and said, “I suggest you put it into context with what the Bible directs and how Jesus showed Christians to live their lives.” I then took a step further and supported my Christian position with Christian Scripture. You were unable refute a single point so you focused on being antagonistic.
Apparently the troll Troll is strong in you. Good luck with that.
Report Post »B_rad
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 2:11pm@CService, I’m not certain you can call it “unnatural”. Certainly, we can agree that it deviates from the norm, but if it doesn’t come from nature, where does it come from? As I said, homosexual behavior has been observed in many species, not the least of which is man. We know that a certain portion of the population has had the proclivity since the dawn of man. To say it is “nurture”, or environment, is not consistent with the experiences of the vast majority of the homosexuals I know. I was never molested or traumatized in any way, yet from a very young age I remember an attraction to the same sex. As I said, I can’t explain it, it just is. To further dispel the myth of the “nurture” argument, I’ll tell you that of the 4 children my father had, 3 of us are gay (two males, one female). We were raised at different times in different households, by two different mothers. None experienced trauma. Our families had no outside gay influences, and the subject was never discussed until we, individually, were dealing with it. So I ask, if not nurture, must it not be a natural occurence? None of us made a decision to have these feelings. So to have the proclivity is NOT a choice. Actions are a choice for everyone, and as I pointed out, I had three choices, of which two were not palatable. I appreciate your position that you should not be forced to CONDONE a behavior, but acceptance that it is, is necessary. Tolerance of those of us forced to deal with it, is all I ask.
Report Post »AmazingGrace8
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 2:15pm@Use reason
Report Post »Part of your post, “It is stuff like this that turns me away from Christianity”. You probably have read
1st Corinthians 15:1-4 and have “currently” made your choice…a second death seperated from God for all eternity. When you meet The Creator, you will not be discussing “rampant ignorance” of others. God is sovereign. You probably have read 1st Corinthians 4:18-21. Please open your heart …….before your first death. Remember, God Loves You!
P.S. Unbelievers are more judgmental towards believers.
Cservice
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 2:38pm@Zenzazin
Report Post »“So let’s say that I own a restaurant and I give a 2fer to Married couples. However a couple of brothers come in my restaurant and say give me the 2fer. I say no you’re not married. Then a man with his Seeing Eye dog come into the restaurant and he says give me the 2fer. Then again I say no you’re not married. Then a black, yellow, racially mixed or white, married couple comes into my restaurant. Then I say ya get the 2fer. That is a natural element in the world which we live and I believe in human rights. You equate being gay as civil right ….and your wrong. Ya see I don’t oppose interracial marriage. And that you would bring that up I would say is bigoted in itself. This is not a background issue this a natural state or an unnatural state issue. I have said nothing about church let alone my church. What you would have me do is go against a natural law and except it. Nope sorry aint happening, now if you never bring it to my attention I don’t care, but if it’s in my face it goes against what I know to be a fact of natural law. And I’ll tell you the truth and walk away. Because what goes against reality of the nature that surrounds us goes against reality itself and to go against reality is really insane.
Cservice
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 3:16pm@B_rad
Report Post »When I was a kid, I remember lying no one ever taught me how. I wanted to change reality. People believed the lie and were lead astray from the natural truth. Though I lied about a thing didn’t change the thing that happened what it did change was peoples perception of reality. Now if I lie enough and get caught enough times people will want to hang from a fast growing poplar. Because it goes against reality it goes against the natural truth around us. We are not the center of truth because truth stands on its own merit. I never had to be taught how to lie….. I guess I was born that way. I just see the repercussions of lying and I don’t like the outcome. As far as why we lie I’ll leave that for philosophy people or the clergy.
B_rad
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 6:12pm@CService, I find your post interesting, but not enlightening. Where is the correlation? Lying is a behavior, not a feeling or state of mind. You make a conscience choice to lie (or not), usually to get out of trouble. As we grow older, we learn of the ramifications of our actions and (most of us) choose to not do the thing we would then lie about. Lying, then, presents its own ramifications.
Report Post »My behavior has its ramifications, as does yours. We make choices in life to live as we will, and then must accept the consequences of those choices.
For me, it would have been a lie to commit to a woman. It may not be in the vows, but the implication is that a man desires his wife. Name the woman who would choose to live their life with a great guy, but never be desired by him. I suppose there are those who are shallow enough to trade that kind of intimacy for selfish considerations, but I hold marriage in higher esteem.
So what would you choose if forced to deal with the feelings and desires that I’ve been dealt? Would you lie to a woman, choose a solitary life with no physical love, or try to live the best, most normal life you can with what you’ve been given? I’ve made my choice and I must live with the ramifications. I don’t ask you to condone my behavior, only tolerate it. I abhor people who shack up and create innocent children out of wedlock, but I treat them as I would everyone else. I tolerate what they do, I don’t condone it.
mkw22
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 7:35pmDITTo! I’m done tool
Report Post »ForTheRepublic
Posted on February 5, 2012 at 2:03pmThats ok, I will go for you
Report Post »Cservice
Posted on February 6, 2012 at 11:00am@fortherepublic
Report Post »Please go for all of us! :)
LIBSALWAYSLIE
Posted on February 6, 2012 at 12:52pmENCINOM, you are clearly mentally impaired, every post by you is just an attempt to statr a fight. You always lie and your posts have no value.
Report Post »TheraponUSA
Posted on February 14, 2012 at 6:55pmMe too
Report Post »goodgrubguy
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 5:05pmSorry Tony..This libertarian will have to side with Starbucks. If the folks in the state want it, it should be able to go forward.
Report Post »TERIPA
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 5:13pmANOTHER REASON Jesus is coming back. SOON.
Report Post »http://www.thewarningsecondcoming.com
Todd P
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 5:43pmStarbucks may do as they please – and their former customers are also free to go elsewhere.
My family will!
Report Post »Leopold
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 6:21pmSo then, by that logic, if a state wants to start a religion it should be able to. Or are you the judge on what a state can do?
Report Post »Tracker2021
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 6:45pmFirst of all the “PEOPLE” did not vote on this. The progressive democrats in the state Senate took it upon themselves to run this through to make it law. If this reaches a ballot for a VOTE, will then see where the PEOPLE of Washington State stand on the issue.
Report Post »LauraJanesMom
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 7:03pmIf the people really want it, then let them vote it in. Corporations should never be able to pay money to push issues, no matter what they are. If they have gay friends and are using the company money to try and shuff this through then that is wrong. LET THE PEOPLE VOTE…Starbucks and just make coffee.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 8:05pmBasic Civil Rights should never be subjected to a popular vote. We are a secular republic, the majority has no right to dictate their morality on the mnorities.
Report Post »Cservice
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 9:45pmI am a minority of one…. protect my rights!
Report Post »DeeJae345
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 9:52pmI don’t want it and when the petition comes out against it I will be signing it. I am sick of Seattle liberals deciding what is good for everyone else in this state!
Report Post »RightPolitically
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 4:59pmI agree with most of what Mr. Perkins says, however, what he needs to realize is the fact that most of Starbucks customers are young, liberal movers and shakers, who don’t hold the view that marriage ought to be between and man and a woman only. More than likely, Starbucks corporate believes that taking such a stance will increase business, not reduce it. Just sayin’. Remember, it was the Starbucks Generation that gave U.S. Barack Obama!
Report Post »neverending
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 5:07pmso true!
Report Post »pooka_yc
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 6:07pmSorry, I have to disagree. When I go to Starbucks, it’s all middle-aged working adults waiting in line. Maybe it depends on the time of day, but I just don’t see many young people there.
Report Post »bsnrn98
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 4:59pmIf Starbucks thinks it can maintain the level of business it now has while supporting gay/lesbian marriages, the guys at the top should think again. We are in spiritual warfare with the obama administration and his minions. Gays/lesbians are not in the majority in this country. They don’t drink all that coffee.
Report Post »heyjim55
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 4:44pmSo thats a drag queen on the starbucks label?
Report Post »TERIPA
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 5:05pmToo darn funny !!!!
Report Post »Todd P
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 6:11pmIt’s interesting that you should ask. Actually, it is the ancient sirene or mermaid Melusine from Northeastern European mythology, whose legs (when bathing) would turn into fish tails. She also resembles the female form of Dagon – the Philistine god/goddess of the sea. This form is also occasionally attributed to Asherah, the Canaanite goddess of sex and fertility. In any case, it has nothing to do with Christianity.
Report Post »NOT A CRAZY
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 11:48pmUhhhhhh..ToddP….that was obviously a joke.
Report Post »Todd P
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 1:18pmUhhhhh……….. Not A Crazy
Lighten up!
Report Post »Nevermind
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 4:41pmAmericanFightingMan1
You make a small point; divorce is an abomination to God just as is gay marriage/relations. You leftists are very arrogant; you expect people to abandon their beliefs to satisfy your political aims.
Who cares what your god thinks, there are many gods and many beleifs but not all beleive int he same one as you do. So while divorce may be a “sin” as is gay marrige so is eating shellfish but i dont see people living by that one.
Not all are christians and this isnt a chritian nation depsite how many times you GOP types try to say it is.
Report Post »dblaess
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 4:56pmyou are wrong, it is a Christian nation and was founded on Christian beliefs. George is this you?
Report Post »dblaess
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 4:59pmYou are wrong. This is a Christian nation founded on Christian beliefs. George is this you again?
Report Post »BloodSweatandTears
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 1:24amEating shellfish a sin? Whoooa illiterate too? Try reading the entire Bible including the New Testament.
Report Post »HairRazor
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 4:40pmand yet, another one bites the dust. bye bye starbuckles (will these twits ever learn to keep their twisted moral/political views hidden from the public).. but then again, thanks for sharing.
Report Post »THX-1138
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 4:39pmOh well, I guess I’ll have to give up my 500 calorie, $6.00 cup of coffee…
And open a coffee shop…
Report Post »Zenmeister48
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 4:36pmThey wont miss my lousey $3.00 each day, but this is not where I want my money going. It was easy to stop buying at Caribou when I discovered the radical islamic investors, and dropping Starbucks wont be difficult either.
Report Post »Eraldo NY Tea Party
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 4:33pmGays needs find Jesus and everything will be OK
God bless you all!
Report Post »TERIPA
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 4:48pmHave them start here:
http://www.thewarningsecondcoming.com
It’s the TRUTH, and meant to wake up souls.
Report Post »Raif2
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 7:16pmOh really? My lover was not only a devout Christian but a priest, with a Masters in theology, for years. Married and had a daughter. Did not have sex with a man for most of his life. None of that changed the sexuality he had always had, it only made him self-loathing as he tried to fix himself, through Jesus, through his wife, through therapists, everything. Only when he was on the verge of suicide after coming out to his wife and being told the same things you Christians love to tell gays, did he begin to come to terms with his orientation and realize no loving God would twist a person’s sexuality then force him or her to live a life without love or sex. He’s very happy now, with a daughter he raised so well, despite him being a sick gay, and granddaughters that adore him. And a partner that he can truly love and be loved by, committed to each other for life. Why a God would care if government recognized such partnerships equally, I don’t know
Report Post »encinom
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 8:29pmEraldo NY Tea Party
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 4:33pm
Gays needs find Jesus and everything will be OK
God bless you all!
Report Post »______________________________
Why casue Jesus is gay to, or does he need fashion advice (the sandles are so tacky and sooo 2nd centrury BC).
Leopold
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 8:42pm@Encinom
You sound very angry. Somebody got under your skin?
Report Post »momrules
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 4:27pmPersonally I like companies coming out and saying who and what they support. It is like the Hollywood crowd.
Report Post »They speak and I know who to stop giving my money to.
sly643
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 4:33pmNO more starbuck stop when i found out they donate to obama. also don’t go to caribou coffee own by arabs .dunkin donuts or make it at home ..
Report Post »Rightsofman
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 4:35pmI agree – say what you stand for so I can decide with whom I won’t spend my income .
Report Post »TERIPA
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 4:39pmDUNKIN DONUTS got X’d from my list after a visit with Mom.
Report Post »Sititng in a small booth for two, enjoying our chocolate doonuts & coffee.
We hear a moan & a major throat-clearing, right next to us, but
down on the floor!
The owner’s brother, taking a nap, on the floor.
The throat clearing got a lot more pronounced!
Needless to say, we left immediately, throwing out the food, enroute!
KentuckyVet
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 4:27pmI think the proper answer for this should be “Who the hell is Starbucks and why do they think I care!” Enough of this Crap. They only exist because you buy their product. Stop buying their stuff and you will castrate them and take away their power. They only have a voice if you let them. Ignore them and walk away!
Report Post »GeorgieJo
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 5:02pmKY-
I have never been to a Starbucks and NOW most certainly won’t go.
OMG in 2012
Report Post »Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 5:16pmStarbucks is over-rated anyway. To me, coffee is coffee, whether you add whipped cream or caramel to it, it’s just coffee. Oh, and iPads are WAAAY over-priced for what they are and compared to other tablets. People are just buying a label. I’ve never been a label buyer. I have found that items with unknown labels are just as good or better.
Report Post »Jo save America
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 4:19pmI love Starbucks and go in there almost every single day ……………………..I had my last one today. I get a free drink twice a month from the card that comes in the mail from starbucks because I spend so much during the week .I will boycott and go somewhere else. STARBUCKS STAY OUT OF POLITICSS!!! DONATE TO THE POOR. do other things for our country. Your bracelets for $5.00 to promote for jobs why not build a shelter or food pantry instead of raising money for left wing agenda. i will spread the word. I have many Christian friends who have bible studies at starbucks. BOYCOTT!!!!1
Report Post »TERIPA
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 4:27pmBOYCOTT sounds like a good idea!
It’s a duty to NOT support those of diluded minds & wills.
I consider my actions & reactions an extension of God’s Divine Will, on earth.
But… I will pray for them. There’s not much time left, in these End Times.
http://www.thewarningsecondcoming.com
Report Post »gemmeri
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 4:15pmAnother blow by blow for liberal-thinkers… What did you all expect from an entity that was started by celebrities? If they go through with this nonsense, they will lose me as a customer because this year I am into boycotts. Boycotts work. It may take some time, but StarBucks has been in economic trouble already & I will do my utmost to help push them the rest of the way over their own cliffhanger. I will get my drinks somewhere else. I love going to Barnes & Noble & ordering coffee & browsing the latest books while I visit with friends & family, but I can do that somewhere else & so can all of you agreed with me on this. I do not support minority legislation for anything. NO MORE SPECIAL INTERESTS. We are either a nation & one people & one race or we are divided… Pick a side. I am FOR the people.
Report Post »Obama Snake Oil Co
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 4:36pmI am making sure that the Catholic church is aware of it too. As some of you know, we will not support gay marriage let alone gay behaviour. We don’t support funding for abortions or abortive drugs as well as contraceptives. So all this does for Starbucks is automatically takes me out of their establishments. Well, its been nice until now but I have boycotted McDonalds over the http://www.foodandwaterwatch.org/ they funded to do away with nuclear power…1983 was the last time I went there. When will these companies ever learn?
Report Post »TERIPA
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 4:43pmOBAMA SNAKE OIL CO..
FUNNY! Seems we’re FASTING, and not even knowing it!
OFFER IT UP, right?!
I’m fasting today, with a nationwide group of Catholics & non, supporting the bishops’ work against HHS rule. It’s gonna be a bit battle. But, God will win.
Report Post »Vickie Dhaene
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 4:12pmI will never agree to accept homosexuality, bisexually or transexually, and bestiality PERIOD.
Report Post »Noahide Ron
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 4:12pmhttp://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/stories/2009/01/12/daily75.html
Starbucks offers free coffee to those who join Obama volunteer corps
by Mike Sunnucks
Friday, January 16, 2009
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2016960587_starbucks08.html
Report Post »Starbucks general counsel retires to work on Obama campaign
By Melissa Allison
TERIPA
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 4:31pmNOAHIDE RON
WOW Starbucks & Obama partners!
SAY GOOD-BYE TO YOUR STARBUCKS COFFEE!
Report Post »Every swallow would be too hard knowing this!
Hmschlmom
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 4:10pmRemember when Starbucks just sold pretentious overpriced coffee? Ahhh, the good ole days…
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 4:22pmI never saw the point in spending that much money on coffee.
Report Post »Nevermind
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 4:08pmAn attack on marrige? As if it is something sacred at this point considering half end in divorce i would say there is a bigger threat to marrige than gay people. How many times has Newt and Trump been married? 3 each and they can marry many more times if they choose yet two adults that are the same sex cannot. GOP…stay out of the peoples bedrooms. Preaching smaller government yet worrried about what peopel do in theri personal lives?
Im a straight, been wiht my spouse for over a decade and have a son, but i could care less if gay people want to get married or serve in the military as well. What gay people do doesnt change my life on bit and marrige as an institution has been cheapened long before gays wanted to be married.
Report Post »RJJinGadsden
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 4:18pmThe GOP is not trying to enter anybody’s bedrooms twit. The GOP is trying to maintain the centuries old definition of marriage.
Report Post »AmericanFightingMan1
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 4:20pmYou make a small point; divorce is an abomination to God just as is gay marriage/relations. You leftists are very arrogant; you expect people to abandon their beliefs to satisfy your political aims.
Report Post »TERIPA
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 4:22pmIt matters to Our Lord & Saviour.
Why should He save us from terrorists, evil, wars, disasters,
WHEN so much of mankind has not maintained, for the most part, good communications with his Creator?
It matters, even though it is not our personal choice.
http://www.thewarningsecondcoming.com
Report Post »WashingtonIsMyHero
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 4:24pmNo effect? Just you wait!
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 4:27pmUh, no. We just don’t want people passing laws based around their beliefs, forcing people not of the same faith as them to conform their lives around those beliefs.
Things like gay marriage are voted against almost strictly because people think the Bible tells them it’s wrong. Guess what? I don’t care what your Bible says, it holds no relevance to me and last I checked, people weren’t supposed to be forced to live their lives based around your “beliefs.”
I don’t care what you or anyone “believes”, I care what you “think.“ If you tell me what you ”think” I can at least discern your thought process and show you why your thinking is illogical and hope you will no longer think that way.
I can also show you why your “belief” is illogical, but there is no thought process behind it, thus the chance that even if I can show you why your belief is illogical, there is very little hope that you will abandon that “belief.”
Report Post »encinom
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 8:03pmWe are not a theocracy, what your made up sky god has to “say” doesn”t matter it is not the law of the land!!!!
Report Post »Deckle
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 4:02pmI have already sent an email to head of Starbucks telling him I will no longer buy Starbucks products and I have notified all the Schools and Universities I know that have a Starbucks and are Christian that they need to consider pulling Starbucks out. I would hope others would do the same. The email I got back said they were fully committed to the same sex marriage.
Report Post »Jo save America
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 2:00pmI will do the same
Report Post »MrKnowItAll
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 3:59pmDo Gay Men think they are small children playing in a sandbox? Except full of feces? Where and the frick do they get these 53% numbers approving? Not a person I know thinks Gay Unions are Right. Unless they like playing in Chocolate. People do what you want. Don’t make me like it. That will not EVER happen. I have said it before and I say it again because it is true. Gay Men want YOUNG BOYS! All of them. Period end of story.
Report Post »Jimcracky
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 7:20pmDear Mr Knowitall,
Report Post »Wow, did you pick the wrong name. Your rant portrays ignorance, pure and simple.
Raif2
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 7:23pmActually, I’m only attracted to men 55+, young boys are the last thing I want.
Report Post »GoodStuff
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 3:56pmPeople still go to Starbucks?
Report Post »sethlevy
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 3:53pmKeep the government OUT of marriage!
Report Post »eric55
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 3:47pmOh boy i’m confused now! first i went out of my way to support starbuchs because they have stuck up for gun rights and allow people to open carry in their stores now i hear this
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 3:36pmUnion control of Government v Corporate control of Government… neither is what we want: we want the people to control the Government!
Report Post »progressiveslayer
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 3:41pmThat‘s the way it should be but the people are slaves to government and it’ll only get worse.
Report Post »oldguy49
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 3:43pmno more starbucks coffee and no more donations to breast cancer awareness…………..get to save some money
Report Post »copatriots
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 3:47pmAnd no more Girl Scout cookies, OLD GUY. :-)
Report Post »cessna152
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 3:35pmAs much as I hate to say it, they are a private company and can support who and what they want. On the other hand, I as a citizen can choose to take my business else wear. That’s exactly what I have done…I now enjoy free coffee at work and 30 cents a cup of coffee at home. I don’t have to look at “artsy fartsy” thick rimmed liberals or listen to their moronic, irrational thought processes. Thanks Starbucks for being transparent.
Report Post »Barackalypse Now
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 4:11pmWell said! I home brew mine, too.
Report Post »SLARTIBARTFAST
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 4:26pmI‘m sure gonna’ miss my large double-blended mocha frappacinos, but now they don’t sound so good. Something about Adam and Steve tying the knot is just wrong…..
Report Post »BeechSportBill
Posted on February 3, 2012 at 6:56pmThirty cents a cup? One can of Folgers makes 25 POTs x 12 cups per pot. 300 cups for $8. That’s 3 CENTS per cup. Any OTHER reasons to bring a thermos? And, HEY – don’t you all have a coffee fund at work? OR do you mooch off those that contribute, like so MANY ‘Americans’ these days???
Report Post »Todd P
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 5:15pmI like Lipton sun tea myself……
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