David Barton Reveals the Sly Move Harry Reid Pulled to Stand Against Conscience Protection Amendment
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During Glenn Beck’s radio broadcast Thursday, David Barton spoke with Pat and Stu about the recent string of attacks on religious freedom perpetuated by the Obama administration. Barton discussed Harry Reid’s tactics to keep the Blunt Conscience Protection Amendment out of the latest legislation, and even made note of the impact Beck fans have had in helping push back these attacks on faith.
According to Barton, the phones on Capitol Hill were “lit up” after Beck launched his “We are all Catholics now” movement on Wednesday, which asked people of all faiths to call their senators and encourage them to vote for the Blunt Conscience Protection Amendment to the transportation bill. That amendment would protect consciousness objectors from being forced to take part in aspects of Obamacare.
In fact, the movement worked so well it forced Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid to take a different “tactic.”
In short, Harry Reid was able to remove the amendment from the bill so that the senators couldn’t vote on it. How? In a very sly way: since you can’t take specific amendments out of bills in the Senate, Reid jammed the bill full of so many other amendments that the Blunt amendment didn’t “fit,” so to speak.
“He just filled it up with anything he could think of,” Barton explained. “He’s basically taken over all the time, and what it means as a result is that they’re going to have a cloture vote on all of his amendments that have come up … and if they can get 60 votes on Friday then it’s not going to happen, they‘ve killed Blunt’s amendment.”
“I don’t think they can get 60 votes,” Barton added, “… which probably means after Friday, Reid’s plan will go down.”
Watch the interview below:
Barton, who is the Founder and President of WallBuilders – described as a “national pro-family organization that presents America’s forgotten history and heroes, with an emphasis on our moral, religious and constitutional heritage” — said that conservatives are actually gaining ground in this fight and thus, cannot give up.
According to its site, WallBuilders took its name from the Old Testament writings of Nehemiah, “who led a grassroots movement to rebuild the walls of Jerusalem and restore its strength and honor.”
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Comments (185)
MS-GlenNBC
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 10:13amThou shall not speak ill of another Mormon i.e. Harry Reid.
Thank you david Barton for doing the work Glenn Pat and Stu refuse to do.
Just in….. “ BBG ” News Break… Beck Blaze and GBTV have an exclusive story……
The Tea Party just put it support behind R O M N E Y C A R E…. That’s right …
The Tea Party isn‘t against Government Healthcare they were against Romney’s Version…oh wait Glenn said that we were against …… What the hell is glenn saying here. We wanted Newt Care!
See what alcohol will do to your mind. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AL91uZr857Q
M13
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 10:29amI can see what your stupidity has done to your brain.
street883
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 11:16amhttp://www.gofundme.com/f19io
Report Post »Truthbeliever2
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 12:18pm@M13 @STREET883 @DRAGO
What‘s wrong with him showing video evidence of Glenn’s contradictions.
Report Post »You Glennsheep will never find or look at them. When Glenn goes right you all turn right then he goes back left and so do you. Which way Glenn??? Which way???
MTCOWBOY711
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 12:18pmYou forgot to blame Bush! Have you been drinking?
Report Post »Susan
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 12:33pmMS-GlenNBC
This is America, you’re allowed to have your own opinions on anything and everything. The fact that your IQ is in the single digits doesn’t change that. The fact that you’re paid to post does.
Blazeanswerman
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 12:40pmThe Blaze is Glenn Beck’s website. David Barton and Glenn Beck are good friends. I don’t what you are talking about when you slam Glenn Beck and praise David Barton.
Report Post »@leftfighter
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 1:29pm@M13
Pay no attention to that dope. Harry Reid has come up on Glenn‘s show as often as he’s done something Conservatives don’t like. He’s just been taking a bit of a back seat lately because
1. he hasn‘t done much that’s bee that outrageous (because it’s an election year and he knows his hard Left stance will hurt Senators up for reelection), and
2. the Senate is frankly not very important at the moment because nothing they do will pass the House.
That said, Reid is pretty high up there in douchiness, behind only Obama, DWS, and Pelosi, by my reckoning.
JRook
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 1:35pmA process that the Republicans have used on almost every bill in the last 3 years. You can’t support or not support a procedure based on whether you agree or disagree with the bill. Oh sorry forgot the audience.
Report Post »Lucy Larue
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 2:58pmMS-GLENNBC,
Report Post »Hey…,is your posting name a pseudonym for Rachel Maddow?!
Anyway…,I did call my USELESS Congressman, and my two Senators. I LOVED saying to them,“We are all catholics now”.
abbygirl1994
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 3:07pmAre you freaking kiddingme??? Your a moron… Harry Reid has cut his throat as far as his religion. And he knows it! He has fallen from his teachings.. and in the end it will not bose well for him. He is a part of the secret combinations that the Book of Mormon teaches us. The Book of Mormon is a Testament for our times… Harry has gone to the dark side and will be judged acoordingly. Just like you for judging Glenn or the Mormon faith. We all will be judged. But for you to make such a remark about Glenn not doing his job is asinine. Glenn is a remarkable man, has taught me more about our heritage than any teacher, has opened my eyes to the truth. You need to grow up and stop bashing others and their faith and job. God forgive you! P.S. David Barton and Glenn Beck are very good friends.. but you aren’t smart enough to know that!
HappyHaloHousewife
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 3:10pmI’ve heard Glenn Beck complain about Harry Reid a number of times.
Report Post »jpclarksville
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 3:20pmLOL what’s funny is that you think you make sense.
Susie
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 3:53pmDear MS-GLENNBC
Normally I am not a prejudice person but in your case I must make an exception.
I hate stupid and you are the epitome of stupid.
MS-GlenNBC
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 5:37pmHey Blaze what happened to my posts?
Report Post »plugthedamnhole
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 5:40pmFor MS-glenNBC
Did you listen to the Video? I don’t make sense?
Around 30 seconds Glenn is yelling about supporting Healthcare…..
And I quote… “I thought when you were against uh Government healthcare…. , you were actually against government healthcare…. but maybe you just didn’t like the brand that Barack Obama was giving you… and so you want government healthcare from your guy….. I thought you were against all of these things that he is for.. I thought you understood the progressive movement and you found it evil if you vote for Newt Gingrich you’re a liar ”
So for all of you, who are not as stupid as I am, and with much higher IQ’s, tell me what the hell Glenn is talking about.
What is the Other Government Healthcare Brand ???? NEWT CARE or ROMNEY CARE
Shouldn’t this Rant be directed at Romney? oh oh oh oh thou shall Speak no ill of Romney
Glenn might mention Harry Reid but you will never hear a RANT like this against Romney or Reid…..
So with my stupidity and low IQ = I will pick up on these things and post them for FREE…. I have never been to the Huff PO and I don’t get paid for this….
Here I sit stupid and bigoted and wonder what happened to the Question with Boldness attitude that Glenn told us to have. Someone has sold out and you still think you are in DC Restoring Honor.
That event is over, Cowboy Up! Something Stinks Here
Report Post »MS-GlenNBC
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 6:01pm@Lucy Laure
When Glenn Started smearing Gingrich like MSNBC and I just could not turn on the Radio anymore I had this feeling of listening to Keith Olbermann.. The Glenn Beck show became a Romney Super Pac. shhh ( they support santorum )
I came up with MS Glenn BC
Same type of tactics.
You will notice that the Blaze has removed some of my posts. Proof that you must agree with Glenn and not question with Boldness unless you are questioning the existence of god… This place has become poison.
George Soros backed Romney and Glenn did not even mention it..
Report Post »RabidPatriot
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 6:36pmYou seemed surprised that someone of one faith would not attack someone of the same faith. President Obama never attacks secular progressive, liberal, hard-core-left-wingers, social justice, socialist/communists, because they all worship the same ideology. As far as Newt goes, he kind of showed his true colors several weeks back and went off the rails. He got angry and made an ass of himself. Conservative or not his behavior was less than professional and his “attack the media” strategy has lost steam and few people care anymore about his candidacy.
Report Post »firstHat
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 8:44pmPay no attention to MS-GlenNBC and those poor sad Newt lovers like him/her. They apparently are Nolte-bots sent by the Breitbart BIG sites who have had their britches in a knot the last few weeks because they think that Glenn stepped on poor Newts widdle toes.
I suggest that I’ll be the lady and mark off how high they can go in their little pizzing battle so maybe they can think they won, go off and lick their imaginary wounds, and let the rest of us deal with the fact that our country is being stolen from under us while they worry about hurt feelings.
Report Post »Grey Eagle
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 9:15pmHarry Reid has been responsible for the mess in the Senate for the past 3 years. He will get his head handed to him on a platter. Election wise. The biggest insult to him would for him to become minority leader or thrown out all together. He is underestimating the angry voters right now.
Report Post »Hugh Williams
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 11:59pmDo you have any intellectual honesty or are you just stupid? Newt is a big government Progressive and so is Mitt. Glenn does not support either of these clowns. If you regularly listened to Beck’s radio show or watched his TV show you would know this. My guess is you are just stupid and you just can’t fix stupid so there is no hope for you. Please don’t reproduce and spread you feeble mindness to another generation.
Report Post »its_time_to_arrest_our_government
Posted on February 18, 2012 at 1:18pmits time to bring senators like harry reid up on charges of treason against the constitution he swore an oath to defend. We the people need to show our elected senators who they work for by swearing out charges against him. Obama needs to be charged too. If we are to put a stop to this assault on our constitution we must do it by charging them with a the crime of treason.
Report Post »Dmoreau508
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 9:53amIt is amazing to see the absolute stupidity of the left, including the stupidity of some that are on the right. The left loves to think of themselves with being the most intelligent in a room of people because they are the privilege and know better than anyone else.
In logic there is a thing called “rreductio ad absurdum ,“ which is Latin for ”reduction to the absurd.“ What this means is when an argument or position logically reaches an ”absurd conclusion”, then the argument or position is false.
For example, the left and the democrat party’s position on taxes is “raising taxes always results in increased tax revenue.” By the same token, the right argues, especially Ron Paul, that” if taxes were lowered to 0%, then it results in increased tax revenue.”
By using the logic of “reductio ad absurdum” in left’s position of taxes, “if taxes were raised to 100% of income, people would lose all incentive to work, companies would cease to operate and eventually not exit, resulting in zero income, thus zero tax. This is less than the current tax income, thus, the proposition of the left is false.”
But by using the logic of “reductio ad absurdum” in the right’s position on taxes, “if taxes were lowered to 0%, no taxes at all would be collected. Zero will always be less revenue than even the lowest that non-zero tax rate would produce, thus the proposition is false.”
However, the left is far dumber and moronic than anyone else.
Report Post »MBN
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 10:57amAnd there is this thing in logic called “get your facts straight”. I think the Latin is “Tu Stultus Es”. Paul advocates a zero percent INCOME tax rate. Up until 1913 the federal government did not tax citizen’s income. The 16th amendment changed that. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xME5-G2CprA
Report Post »Dmoreau508
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 11:15amApparently MBN, you just proved my point of the absurd because you certainly are a dumb ass by not reading my argument which has nothing to do with the 16th amendment. My argument has everything to do with the position of the left and right on how government generates revenue.
You certainly have shown your stupidity by arguing the absurd and you sir are the dumbest of dumb asses that I have seen.
Report Post »Truthbeliever2
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 1:57pmHe did read your post… “By the same token, the right argues, especially Ron Paul, that” if taxes were lowered to 0%, then it results in increased tax revenue.”
He pointed out, and you ignored that Ron Paul advocates a 0% INCOME tax…. See the caps???
You are trying to say Ron Paul wants ALL (caps again) taxes lowered to 0%.
Which is it???
Report Post »chazmo
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 2:45pmFirst of all the “Right” wants to LOWER taxes not eliminate them.. However, Ron Paul is correct. Zero income tax rate. See this would then put the power to the people back to the states. We could then eliminate most of the Dept of’s…. Corp Tax would still be in effect to pay for the one and only thing we should get from the Fed Gov.. DEFENSE. The rest of the “services” would be handled on the state and county level. But this will never happen because the left wants to raise ALL income taxes to pay for entitlements. Along with a lot of folks on the Right. In the end we LOSE!!
Report Post »MBN
Posted on February 18, 2012 at 11:29amDMORE…
Report Post »I think that I am more of a smart a$$ than a dumb one. Admittedly, I was also rude. You, on the other hand, are very thin skinned and take yourself too seriously. I am correct in stating that you have misrepresented the facts. You never had a point because your diatribe is based upon a false premise. Neither the left or the right wants what you say they do (100% or 0% tax rate). So, it is your posting that is ridiculous.
TyrannyNoMore
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 9:52amI am not a Mormon, but even I can see Harry Reid is to Mormons, what Ted Kennedy was to Catholics. Neither one lives by, or has lived by the tenants of their faiths. Both have used their faith as a political tool and nothing more. Harry Reid is a snake in a Mormon’s skin, simple as that !
Report Post »azmomof6
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 10:28amI absolutely agree! …and don’t forget about Nancy Pelosi – she’s no Catholic!
Report Post »carbonyes
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 10:45amHarry Reid is an azz, and that’s a complement.
Report Post »GeorgieJo
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 2:04pmHarry Reid has pommagranite seeds floating in his head while listening to cowboy poetry.
He is the Ted Kennedy of the Mormon religion….except he didn’t drive his car off a bridge.
Now Harry? Go back to the 4 Seasons and complain about the stench of those horrible DC tourists.
Report Post »Pathetic.
chazmo
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 2:36pm… or what Queen Pelosi is to Catholicism..
Report Post »sodacrackers2
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 9:25amNote to editor: conscience!
Report Post »MYHEROISRON
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 9:45amHairy Reed … I hope you get run over by a fast moving Chevy Volt, you lousy TRAITOR!!
Report Post »Carborendum
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 10:45amI second that. For heaven’s sakes! Does this author not know the English language?
Report Post »TakeBackAmerica
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 11:48amLOL, and they repeated it, ‘consciousness objectors’ LMAO
Report Post »Truthbeliever2
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 2:05pmIts no secret. The chief editor at the Blaze is an ILLITERATE DRUNK.
Report Post »eyestoseeearstohear
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 9:21amTHIS is Reid‘s and Obama’s MYPARTISAN method.
THEY are the one’s who use the term, Bipartisan, to the MAX!
BUT WHAT THEY MEAN IS “MYPARTISAN” – MEANING, “ MY WAY ”
This is TOTAL MIS-USE OF THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM PROCEDURES.
Neither Reid or any of them can UNLAWFULLY CHANGE THE
CONGRESSIONAL PROCESS.
I don’t know about any of you – but I’m really fed up with this adminstration.
The POLITICS THEY PLAY makes fools of us, the System and the Constitition.
WHY aren’t these supposedly UPHOLDERS OF THE HIGHEST LAWS imprisioned
for OBSTRUCTION OF LAW?
Guess what?
IF a Congress person OR President doesn’t like what has been submitted-
THEY DON’T HAVE THE RIGHT TO TAMPER, REMOVE OR CHANGE IT-
UNLAWFULLY OR WITHOUT DUE PROCESS.
What’s the difference IF a Judge were to WITHHOLD or HIDE EVIDENCE that
Report Post »was a part of a legal case?
OR a Police removes a murder weapon from a crime scene?
Are these NOT Illegal & Chargeable Offenses?
GrayPanther
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 9:05amOld Dirty Harry Reid wants to keep his reputation in place. I can’t believe he is a Mormon with his heathen manner of doing business. Hopefully Dirty Harry will be nothing more than a minority member of the Senate come November 6th.
Report Post »Stuck_in_CA
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 9:11amFrom WallBuilder’s Radio Show:
Statement from Newt Gingrich from last year that if he decided to run, David Barton would be one of his advisers. He is speaking on a Wallbuilders radio show:
Gingrich: All I can tell you is that sometime in February or March, Calista and I and our family will be making this decision. As you know, I‘m a great admirer of your work and of all you’ve done to teach Americans about their history and the roots of American freedom. And I can assure you that if we do decide to run next year, we’re promptly going to call you and say “we need your help, and we need your advice, and we need your counsel.” It’s more than a voting matter. If we decide to run, David, we’re going to need you.
Report Post »Listen_then_think
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 9:24amMormon in name only. He is not an active member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. He does NOT live by the Christ like principles the mormons teach and are supposed to practice daily. I would bet he has not been to a church in many decades.
Report Post »Listen_then_think
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 9:31amDon’t place members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints in the same group as Harry Reid. Active, practicing members are virtually the opposite of Harry Reid. Active members of the LDS faith stand for the principles of Jesus Christ and try to act Christ-like in their everyday dealings with their fellow man.
Report Post »Pelling1020
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 11:44amlisten then think
Mr. Harry Reid hasn’t gone to Churches in years, he gets his chicken at Popeyes!
Report Post »Gunonesis
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 8:55amUnder old English Law this despicable treasonous senile incompetent commie pos would have been hanged, emasculated, disembowelled, beheaded and quartered (chopped into four pieces). His remains would have been displayed in prominent places across the country,
Report Post »supressorgrid
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 9:11amNot to mention spurned, rebuked, and reviled. They also would cancell his internet,kill his credit rating,steal his identity, and take awy his parking space. Absolutely barbaric.
Report Post »acovenantinblood
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 9:24amIt’s a good thing that a civilized society said people have the right against that sort of cruel and unusual punishment.
Report Post »flyoverbob
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 9:29amHe has been,have you not seen Obama, Nancy,Biden,Shultz?
Report Post »thegreatcarnac
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 10:31amHmmmmm! Need a ax-man???? Lol.
Report Post »love the kids
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 8:54amHas anyone noticed that the Dems are all for a democratic rule system until it is something that they don’t like?
Report Post »eyestoseeearstohear
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 8:53am” Harry Reid was able to remove the amendment from the bill so that
the senators couldn’t vote on it.”
THIS is why I strongly suggest the Conservative Republicans have an
immediate response team to Obama’s “TRUTH TEAM” –
They can call it “ THE REAL TRUTH”, or whatever, as long as they PUSH BACK
WITH THE FACTS & TRUTH!
Obama and this administration daily rush before the cameras to announce the
REPUBLICANS are hindering/preventing Obama’s plan for the country or other
negative info about them – when it is THEM and their deceitful tactics.
Daily reporting of things like the number of Republician Proposals/Solutions
submitted to Obama and were REJECT and what, why and how the Dems
stalled, prevented and tactics used to avoid. – the number of DAYS Obama
has not submitted a Budget, and much, much more.
This should be done in conjunction with the occasional appearances made by
one or two Reps. before the cameras, on specific current issues, i.e. Fast & Furious-
instead, they should hold daily segments on TV/RADIO pointing out these facts, in detail.
The Reps. should STOP REACTING to all the false statements made by Obama
and others but START FOCUSING and bringing attention to the DAILY under-handed
issues & tactics used by this administration.
They could call it a DAILY PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT or something!
Report Post »Yeah, I KNOW, the NEWS REPORTS IT- but that’s about it.
They make light of it – in between acting silly.
TheFederalist
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 8:52amI stand with “we are all Catholics now” but why is it, that we pass more unconstitutional laws on top of already unconstitutional laws just to try to nullify or repeal these bad laws. All the States and the People have to do, is pass State legislation that oppose`s the unconstitutional laws.
Report Post »Just disobey the unconstitutional laws! The power is with the States and the people. If enough people stand up to opposing the whole ObamaCare boon, there is nothing the Federal government can do about it.
handgunrepair
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 9:49pmI’m with you on that! Civil disobedience, when it is in line with the Constitution, can NOT fail in an honest court of law. Whether the courts are honest anymore is another question.
Report Post »EqualJustice
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 8:51amSee, you HAVE to call and make a lot of noise. My Granny was so right when she said, “The SQUEAKY wheel gets the oil!” VAN JONES and his groups use this tactic often!
Report Post »LouC57
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 8:41amSenate! Throw this jacka** OUT.
Report Post »shellshock
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 8:28amAnd “conscientious objectors.“ Who would object to ”consciousness”? Proofread, please!
Report Post »Glock31
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 8:59amdo you just go around proof reading everything? we understand the gist of what was written, get a hobby or something you have too much time on your hands
Report Post »hope36
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 9:25amLol, I am sure glad the point of stories are more important than the perfection of how it is written. How long before your head would explode if thing’s like that bothered us all to this level. Sorry had to rant back to the meaning of the article.
Report Post »sdarbro
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 11:43amHOPE & GLOCK: what? Are you Tiffany Gabbay’s Mom?
I am with SHOCK. Are we reading news or are we reading a middle school term paper? If blatant typos are slipping past the editor then what else is?
Yeah, so you get ‘the gist’ of the article. Well, good for you. Is that all that a good article requires? Just hand out trophies to all the participants, eh?
I enjoy The Blaze and hope that this site can grow into a contender with the other sites out there. In order to be taken seriously, this site has to produce professional level work, not articles that you have to search for ‘the gist’ through obvious typos.
SHOCK pointed out this typo to sharpen Gabbay’s writing. Perhaps she will read his comment and try a little harder next time.
Report Post »Fantastic Four
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 8:22amI think we are missing a crutial point with the mandate. Yes it is a violation of Religion, but it also has a more sinister pot to it.
Have we forgotten Communism and the Agenda 21 is also about POPULATION CONTROL
Report Post »shellshock
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 8:15amI‘m pretty sure it’s the “CONSCIENCE protection amendment”
Report Post »matinva
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 8:12amIn November of this year, we’re going to have a repeat performance of the “Neutering in November” which occurred in 2010. Harry will get to sit in the audience and flap his gums when opportunity presents itself.
Report Post »I.Gaspar
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 8:12amharry reid is the “1%”, along with pelosi, schumer, boxer, etc…..that ows should be protesting.
Report Post »reid is devoid of human dignity and if our system wasn’t broken, he’d be in prison.
sooner12
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 8:45amAgreed.
Report Post »bhohater
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 9:10amIf the American people were to find the courage to roll out a guillotine at the Capitol building in Washington Reid‘s and Pelosi’s heads should be in the first basket load. Talk about change.
Report Post »Deepdiver58
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 8:02amOne more progressive tactic. I am not surprised by this. I am surprised that it took so long for Dirty Harry to take so long.
Report Post »louise
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 4:48amWe love David Barton and Wall Builders.
Report Post »“The American Heritage Series” DVD set is money well spent.
StonyBurk
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 7:43amCoupled with Rep.Allen West on the relationship the Republican Party has to elevating and helping black Americans -speech on You Tube — Really highlights the evil of the godless/soul-less Democratic Party.
Report Post »FreedomsFury
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 3:07amLet me ask you something why doesnt David Barton ever let anyone no all of their writings(I am not debating if we are a Judeao/CHRISTian Nation We Are As A People But Just As Israel Our Leaders Are Not) the fact Thomas Jefferson said “I could believe in JESUS if it wasnt for all the miracles” or the fact he went and wrote his own Bible called “ The Life And Morals Of JESUS Of Nazareth” where he went and removed all aspects of CHRIST Divinity he got rid of the virgin birth any reference to HIM being the SON of GOD all the miracles and demon outcasting HE did Jefferson took it all out, another thing when they were designing the capitol building and held a contest there were 8 or 9 architects in competition but Jefferson turned them all down for and I quote (this is in the library of congress)“These Designs Are Unacceptable The Capitol Needs To Resemble The Pantheon Dedicated To All pagan gods” you think David Barton doesnt know about that Yeah Right. Or look up in the rotundrum at the capitol the apotheosis of George Washington where it is supposed to be HEAVEN but suprisingly not one Prophet not one Apostle no JESUS CHRIST anywhere but almost every pagan god you can think of and our founders taking notes from them and frolecking about with them with 72 pentagrams surrounding it.AS MUCH AS IT HURTS ME TO SAY IT, ALOT OF OUR FOUNDERS WERE WEIRD PAGANS, CHECK OUT “THE HIDDEN FAITH OF OUR FOUNDING FATHERS 2010” CAUTION YOU WILL BE ABSOLUTEY SHOCKED SADDENED AND DISGUSTED..
Report Post »StonyBurk
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 7:56amThe vitriol directed at David Barton suggests you have been educated in secular/progressive schools.
Report Post »That art you mention with the pagan gods -was a product of the late 1800′s @1885 I believe. And If you check the Reports of Committees for 19 Jan.1853 US Senate Judiciary Committee report by Mr.Badger and the corresponding US House Judiciary Committee Report by Mr. Meacham 27 March 1854 both discussing chaplains–and the establishment of religion.Both of which David Barton has cited in his works. David Barton is human -just like everyone else– but I think if you checked History you would be hard pressed to find where Jefferson ever called his Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth a Bible. –or his Bible.That speculation was added after his death, by mere politicians. I believe it was Barton that pointed out that Jefferson intended his Life and Morals book to be an introduction to Christianity to be used to introduce Christianity to the Native tribes that Jefferson believed would have trouble accepting the Miracles. I dare suggest I do not believe Jefferson was as hostile toward Christianity as you seem to be. But you rage against David Barton has been considered and you come across like a braying Jack.
Grady Curve
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 8:19amYou have just won IDIOT of the year award…. You just demonstrated that you know absolutely nothing about our history outside of the revisionist version…. astounding… you truly are a dumb ass.
Report Post »Clownshoes
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 8:22amJust a few words of advise for you FreedomsFury. If you are going to post your thoughts for the world to see, there is the neat little invention you might want to look into: punctuation. You should try using it. Aside from the fact that you don’t really know your facts, the lack of punctuation in your post made you look even more idiotic as your thoughts seemed to stumble into complete incoherence.
Report Post »TyrannyNoMore
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 10:16amI smell Illuminati conspiracy, oh my !
Thomas Jefferson
3rd U.S. President, Drafter and signer of the Declaration of Independence “God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with his wrath? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that his justice cannot sleep forever; That a revolution of the wheel of fortune, a change of a situation, is among possible events; that it may become probable by Supernatural influence ! The Almighty has no attribute which can take side with us in that event.”
-Notes on the State of Virginia, Query XVIII, P.237
“I am a real Christian-that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus Christ.”
Report Post »-The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, p. 385
jujubeebee
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 1:38amYes, we need more men like David Barton. It amazes me that congresspeople such as Pelosi, Sebelius, Biden, McCaskill can actually say they are Catholic. Why don’t they just go to another church? Contraceptives are one thing but they just completely go against God and the religion that they profess is their faith. It simply cannot be their faith and they are liars pretending to care about their religion but agreeable to things that are not in their religion. It is sickening. Even though the issue with contraceptives is beyond religion and is really about freedom and the government mandating us I cannot help but look at these people and question their faith.
Report Post »Anamah
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 2:28amIt is disagreeable to notice how much the Left distorted the values of freedom and Justice in America. We are in great need of people like David Barton because really during the cold war their indoctrination reach education, the media, the American Democratic Party is now a net of Progressives and Communist. Both share so much in common, intolerance, bigotry and dishonesty. Many of my friends ex democrats are also shocked. Those clowns in power are a nasty plague of non imputable termites. We need to throw them out! All of them and stop this very sad case of involution.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 6:33amBarton is a fraud that has twisted history or outright lied to sell his books to the gullible.
DD313
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 8:21amNancynom: Put up or shut up.
Report Post »DD313
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 8:21amNancynom: Put up or shut up.
Report Post »matinva
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 8:36am@ENCINOM
Cite for us one lie Mr. Barton has put forth. We don’t need five or six. Just one.
We all know who the real fraud is here.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 9:56amhttp://www.pfaw.org/rww-in-focus/barton-s-bunk-religious-right-historian-hits-the-big-time-tea-party-america
Derek Davis, director of the J.M. Dawson Institute on Church-State Studies at Baylor University, said Barton “can be very convincing to an uninitiated audience. He’s intelligent. He’s well-spoken. But a lot of what he presents is a distortion of the truth.”
John Fea, a history professor at Messiah College in Pennsylvania, has criticized Barton and Peter Marshall, who worked with Barton to influence Texas textbooks: “I’m an evangelical Christian, and I think David Barton and Peter Marshall are completely out to lunch. They are not experts on social studies and history. Neither of them are trained in history. They are preachers who use the past and history as a means of promoting a political agenda in the present.”
J. Brent Walker, Executive Director of the Baptist Joint Committee, argues in a critique of Barton’s teachings on church-state issuesthat Barton’s work is “laced with exaggerations, half-truths and misstatements of fact. As more individuals, congregations and elected officials are influenced by Barton’s claims, the threat of his campaign becomes more real…”Baptist blogger Don Byrd said “having Barton lecture the House of Representatives on religious liberty issues and the Constitution is a bit like having the fox lecture the hens on proper coop construction.”
encinom
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 10:10amhttp://www.talk2action.org/story/2010/6/11/25628/7626
Barton’s presentations: an 1809 letter from John Adams to Benjamin Rush that Barton butchers to make it appear that Adams thought that all governments, including, of course, the government of the United States, must be administered by the Holy Ghost in order to be legitimate.
Than of course a week after having Barton on air, Jon stewart invited a real historian, Richard Beeman who ripped apart every lie Barton told. http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-may-18-2011/exclusive—richard-beeman-extended-interview-pt–1 http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-may-18-2011/exclusive—richard-beeman-extended-interview-pt–2
I Understand these posts contain FACTS, something new for Beckerheads.
Report Post »TyrannyNoMore
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 10:39amEnimacom
First of all, yawn ! You have become so predictable as to be monotonous.
You were asked for facts, but yet you rely on hearsay of comedic TV personalities and their hack guests. Here is the pertinent paragraph from the letter in question. I invite others to read the following excerpt so that they might decide for themselves the truth of the matter.
But my friend there is something very serious in this business. The Holy Ghost carries on the whole Christian system in this Earth. Not a baptism, not a marriage, not a Sacrament can be administered but by the Holy Ghost, who is transmitted from age to age by laying the hands of the Bishop on the heads of candidates for the Ministry. In the same manner as the Holy Ghost is transmitted from monarch to monarch by the holy oil in the vial at Rheims which was brought down from Heaven by a dove and by that other phial [vial] which I have seen in the Tower of London. There is no authority civil or religious: There can be no legitimate government but that which is administered by this Holy Ghost. There can be no salvation without it. All without it is rebellion and perdition, or in more orthodox words damnation. Although this is all artifice and cunning in the sacred original in the heart, yet they all believe it so sincerely that they would lay down their lives under the ax or the fiery ***** [bundle of wood used for burning individuals at the stake] for it. Alas, the poor weak ignorant dupe human nature. There is s
Report Post »Obama_Sham
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 10:54am@Encinom
So, you post “facts” that are OPINIONS from two far left leaning sites and the daily show?
Yep, you’re a genius…
Report Post »TyrannyNoMore
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 10:59amEnimacom
I would like to further expand on my rebuke of your baseless, vile hatred of this country and how it was founded.
On April 30, 1789, this country was indeed consecrated to God and the Holy Ghost in a 2 hour ceremony at St. Paul’s Chapel, in New York City. This event occurred on the day of Washington‘s inauguration as our country’s first president. Present at the ceremony, were Washington and the entire United States Congress.
Report Post »It is important to note, the only other country, in the history of the world, to consecrate its government to God is…………Israel. Yes enimacom, I know these facts are going to make you twist and squirm. But as a nation, we are married to God and the holy Ghost. Maybe your hero Stewart can get someone on his show to try and dispute this as well. Good luck with that !
Augydoggy
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 11:02amPerhaps the word “Taqiyya” is needed in this case.
Report Post »Augydoggy
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 11:04amPerhaps the word “Taqiyya” is needed here. they know it well.
Report Post »Rational Man
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 11:48amencinom
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 6:33am
Barton is a fraud that has twisted history or outright lied to sell his books to the gullible.
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You get your information from from The Daily Show and you call US “gullible”.
Report Post »I think I’ll go with history and actual quotes from those involved instead of those with a strong secular progressive agenda and are known for lying to get their false message out. You don’t even know what honor looks like. Do you?…………………….
Therightsofbilly
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 1:04pmDeep inhale…………….exhale…………Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh
I love the smell of incinerated liberal claptrap in the morning.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 4:28pmLooks like the Christian Taleban are upset, I guess they are unable to read or comprehend anything but myths and fantasies. So instead of defending a fraud they attack the one that dares to speak the truth.
Jon Stewart had an actual Historian on, unlike Beck. The Actual Historian, point by point destroys the fantasies Barton has sold you fools, same with the other articles I posted.
But tea-baggers and beckerheads are mindless sheep and not thinkers, they do not question boldly but nod their collective heads in time.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 6:29pm@ENCINOM
What makes him, (as you like to call him), an “actual” historian. His degree from Berkeley?
Just another liberal elitest prof.
I know it won’t matter to you Encinom, but read this if you like.
http://blog.heritage.org/2012/02/16/liberals-scramble-to-avoid-talking-about-the-constitution/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=Morning%2BBell
Report Post »encinom
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 7:16pmRead the pointless Blog. Like a good conservative group its attempting to polish the turd, that the GOP have become. The blog is one lie after another, polls show support for birth control, even among Catholics. Nor is the issue religious freedom, its about women’s health. This Federal mandate is following the lead of several states and the EEOC.
No, its the GOP that is avoiding the Constitutional debates, its the GOP that is acting in bad faith. If the recess appoints were unconstitutional where is Congress’ response? This blog avoids the truth, that nearly every appointment made by the President has been met with a filerbuster by the GOP. The Democrates need a Super Majority, not the simple majority they hold. Dishonesty is becoming a trait of the conservative christians.
As for the actual hstorian, the fact that he holds real degrees, from actual univeristies, not conservative scam shops Barton attended, the fact that he is published and the general opinion of his scholarship among his peers. Barton’s “theories” carry no weight outside of the fringe religious right and the tea party. More and more it is becoming clear that conservative christians live in their own little reality, devoid of truth.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 9:18pm@ENCINOM
The democrat party of today is one huge, finely polished turd.
And you have a can of wax in one hand, and a soft cloth in the other.
Wax on…….Wax off.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 9:24pmOh, and Encinom,
Did anyone ever tell you that you sound exactly like Baghdad Bob?
Report Post »(There are no US tanks in the city. We will crush you. Gotta run now, literally.)
rush_is_right
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 9:36pm“Looks like the Christian Taleban are upset, I guess they are unable to read or comprehend anything but myths and fantasies. ”
you mean like that racist atheist fantasy, evolution…why don’t you list the lower races your god and savior darwin refers to…
“The more civilized so-called Caucasian races have beaten the Turkish hollow in the struggle for existence. Looking to the world at no very distant date, what an endless number of the lower races will have been eliminated by the higher civilised races throughout the world.” (Darwin, Charles R. [English naturalist and founder of the modern theory of evolution], “The Life of Charles Darwin”, [1902], Senate: London, 1995, reprint, p.64
I can see why a good liberal racist like you loves him so…
oh and your reference to the people for the ameriKKKan way shows what a wacko you are…
are you for real?? no one can be THAT stupid…
Report Post »CommonSenseRN
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 10:48pmAs a Catholic, I say: Thank God for men like David Barton. Pray, pray, pray!
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 11:36pmLuke 22:36
Report Post »godlovinmom
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 2:06amAs an American..I thank God for Mr. Barton and partriots like him.
Report Post »cous1933
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 10:38pmI admire and respect David Barton a great deal. Pat and Stu….not so much.
Report Post »brother_ed
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 12:11amDavid is one of the few historians that make history fun!
Pat & Stu are great!!!
Report Post »Rational Man
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 10:30pmI’ve learned alot from Barton and the Wall Builders website and the suggested reading posted there. Great historical articles there that I often quote from. I am thankful for Mr. Barton and his team for what they do!
Report Post »CatB
Posted on February 16, 2012 at 10:18pmReligious freedom .. is not JUST for Muslims .. they are exempt from Obamacare!
LIBERTY!
OMG 2012!
Report Post »cemerius
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 7:40amAlong with a little over 2000 institutions having exemptions!
Report Post »loveoursoldiers
Posted on February 17, 2012 at 8:07amBut right now it looks like it is just for Muslims.. because we have a persn who wants to become the muslim king. he‘s getting close and he is working feverishly ’for the American people’. yeah.. right.. Wait til the ‘American people’ see what he is up too. When he says ‘American people’ he means those who support him.
Report Post »On second thought, maybe patriots/opposition will be gone somehow either by lack of health care from death panels who will let the old die and conservatives die too. We know they have conservative hit lists. I have no doubt they will use those to decide who gets what treatment. And now the ‘truthteams” They will probably forward names of opposition so they can be ‘taken care of”.. Beware. This is coming to your community. So he has eyes and ears in every community in this country
The kids are being indoctrinated to make sure no new opposition arises. They are monitoring kids lunches at a very young age. These kids will grow up thinking being monitored is normal.
He is a good community organizer for sure. Unfortunately it is being organized to destroy this country.. which is his dream as a Muslim and his way of getting revenge for his father.
In the meantime he lives in luxury and pretends he helps everyone. Pretty soon the gubment won’t be getting the revenus it needs.. so they take more.. they can’t pay Medicare. so they can’t pay bottom feeders. people get hungry and need to fend for themselves.. French revolution revisited..
I see it