Day of Shooting: Loughner Ran From Dad, Stopped by Cops
- Posted on January 12, 2011 at 2:41pm by
Jonathon M. Seidl
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TUCSON, Ariz. (The Blaze/AP) — In the hours before the assassination attempt against Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, Jared Loughner went to Walmart, was pulled over for running a red light and ran from his father after an angry confrontation.
Investigators are piecing together the timeline of Loughner’s frenzied morning before the attack that killed six.
“What he did and the morning before the shooting, we’re just trying to find all that out,” said sheriff’s Capt. Chris Nanos.
Nanos wouldn’t say what Loughner bought during two trips to Walmart. The Wall Street Journal reports, however, Loghner attempted to buy ammunition at one store and was unsuccessful. He then went to another Wal-Mart and successfully purchased the bullets.
After the shopping trips, Loughner ran a red light but was let off with a warning, the Arizona Game and Fish Department said. The officer took Loughner‘s driver’s license and vehicle registration information at 7:30 a.m. but found no outstanding warrants and didn’t search the car, a late 1960s dark gray Chevy Nova.
About 8 a.m., Randy Loughner saw his son walk to one of the family’s vehicles and take a black bag out of the trunk.
“The father went out and said, ‘What’s that?’ and he mumbled something and took off running,” said Sheriff Clarence Dupnik.
Randy Loughner got in his truck and chased his son, but Jared ran into the desert.
At 10:11 a.m., police say Jared Loughner showed up at a Tucson grocery store in a taxi and shot 19 people, killing a federal judge and a 9-year-old girl, among others and wounding more than a dozen.
Hours after the attack, sheriff‘s deputies swarmed the Loughners’ home and removed what they describe as evidence Loughner was targeting Giffords. Among the handwritten notes was one with the words “Die, bitch,” which authorities believe was a reference to Giffords.
Investigators with the Pima County Sheriff‘s Department previously said they found handwritten notes in Loughner’s safe reading “I planned ahead,“ ”My assassination“ and ”Giffords.” Capt. Chris Nanos said all the writings were either in an envelope or on a form letter Giffords’ office sent him in 2007 after he signed in at one of her “Congress on Your Corner” events – the same kind of gathering where the massacre occurred.
Meanwhile, the city held a tribute to victims the eve of a presidential visit.
On Tuesday night, several hundred mourners filled a Tucson church for a public Mass to remember the slain and pray for the injured. As people filed in, nine young girls sang “Amazing Grace.” The youngest victim of the attack, 9-year-old Christina Taylor Green, was a member of that choir.
“I know she is singing with us tonight,” said Tucson Bishop Gerald Kicanas, who presided over the service.
President Barack Obama visits Arizona Wednesday and will honor the victims in a speech to a rattled state and nation.
In one apparent reaction to the shooting, the FBI said background checks for handgun sales jumped in Arizona following the shootings, though the agency cautioned that the number of checks doesn’t equate to the number of handguns sold.
Still, there were 263 background checks in Arizona on Monday, up from 164 for the same day a year ago – a 60 percent rise. Nationally, the increase was more modest: from 7,522 last year to 7,906 Monday, a 5 percent jump.
Loughner’s parents, silent and holed up in their home since attack, issued a statement Tuesday, expressing remorse over the shooting.
“There are no words that can possibly express how we feel,” Randy and Amy Loughner wrote in a statement handed to reporters waiting outside their house. “We wish that there were, so we could make you feel better. We don’t understand why this happened.
“We care very deeply about the victims and their families. We are so very sorry for their loss.”
Four days after a bullet went through Giffords’ head, she was making small movements on her own and tugging at her hospital gown, though she remained in critical condition.
“She was able to actually even feel her wounds herself,” said Dr. Peter Rhee, trauma chief at the University of Arizona.
The three-term Democrat was expected to live and has been making progress. Giffords is more alert after nurses eased her sedation. She can breathe on her own, respond to voice commands and even make small spontaneous motions.
As she improved, authorities continued their investigation of Loughner.
Sheriff’s deputies had been to the Loughner home at least once before the attack, spokesman Jason Ogan said. He didn’t know why or when the visit occurred, and said department lawyers were reviewing the paperwork and expected to release it Wednesday.
The visits were for nonviolent incidents, including a report by Jared Loughner of identity theft, a noise complaint and Amy Loughner’s claim that someone had stolen her license plate sticker, according to a report by The Wall Street Journal.
In addition to the new details about the hours before the shooting, interviews with those who knew Loughner or his family painted a picture of a young loner who tried to fit in.
Before everything fell apart, he went through the motions as many young men do nowadays: Living at home with his parents, working low-wage jobs at big brand stores and volunteering time doing things he liked.
None of it worked. His relationship with his parents was strained. He clashed with co-workers and police. And he couldn’t follow the rules at an animal shelter where he spent some time.
Loughner grew up on an unremarkable Tucson block of low-slung homes with palm trees and cactus gardens out front. Fittingly, it’s called Soledad Avenue – Spanish for solitude.
Solitude found Loughner, even when he tried to escape it. He had buddies but always fell out of touch, typically severing the friendship with a text message. Zach Osler was one such friend.
Loughner’s father moved into the house as a bachelor, and eventually got married, longtime next-door neighbor George Gayan said. Property records show Randy Loughner has lived there since 1977. Unlike other homes on the block, the Loughners’ is obscured by plants. It was assessed in 2010 at $137,842.
Randy Loughner apparently has not worked for years – at least outside his home.
Amy Loughner got a job with the county parks and recreation department just before Jared was born, and since at least 2002 has been the supervisor for Roy P. Drachman Agua Caliente Park on the outskirts of the city. She earns $25.70 an hour, according to Gwyn Hatcher, Pima County’s human resources director.
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Associated Press writers Alicia Chang and Gillian Flaccus in Tucson, Jacques Billeaud and Bob Christie in Phoenix, Christy Lemire in Los Angeles and news researcher Julie Reed in Charlotte, N.C., contributed to this report.
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Comments (80)
Canada_Goose
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 12:00amThe point is….
If Mrs. Palin hadn’t used the blood libel phrase everyone would be talking about how presidential she looks.
But as a Jewish Congreswoman is fighting for her life, Mrs. Palin is accusing the media of a Blood Libel against herself , an individual. That same Congresswoman herself spoke out against Mrs. Palin’s crosshairs graphic.
Unless Mrs. Palin has been killing Chrisitian babies and using their blood to make Matzoth, there is no blood libel there.
Perhaps Mrs. Plain could have use another less ethnically sensitive phrase like “High Tech Lynching” or “Crusade” we wouldn’t be talking bout this.
Rights of Man
Posted on January 12, 2011 at 10:57pmDon’t blame this on music, you knuckleheads.
Millions of people listen to heavy metal–it’s just music. Your average classical composer, including many of those who wrote “sacred” music, was a coke-sniffing, sex-addict.
Music doesn’t kill people…
Report Post »mcgwessin
Posted on January 12, 2011 at 10:54pmI agree Patriotwoman, why would any need to know when they got married, bought a house, had the baby and her salary. that is none of anyone’s business. It does look like his father tried to stop him and find out what was in the black bag. The law enforcement in that town, should have had their eyes on the guy with his history. The sheriff should resign, he did not do his job or carry out the responstibiity of his job. He knew he had not used good judgment and that is why he started the rheteric of blaming others for what had happened, trying to cover his butt.
Report Post »psycodad36
Posted on January 12, 2011 at 10:44pmfound that inclusion of information curious also @patriotwoman.not relevant in anywayto the story
Report Post »patriotwoman
Posted on January 12, 2011 at 8:37pmDoes anyone else feel that including the “assessed value” of the family’s home and the hourly wage of Mrs. Loughner is more than a bit intrusive and not relevant to the story? It worries me that the media has access to or is given information like that and feels the “need” to include it.
Joe The Plumber anyone?
Report Post »Tracking
Posted on January 12, 2011 at 8:06pmIt is becoming more and more apparent to me, as the facts are uncovered, that many, may people were well aware of this man and the danger he posed. According to his school, neighbors, friends, classmates, teachers and the Sheriff himself. You may want to ask why no help was available to his parents? Mental Health officials can only do so much. There is very little help or resources out there for the mentally ill. What little there is, there is a long wait to receive any assistance.
Report Post »Someone dropped the ball on this one. How could so very many people know and nothing be done?
Senseless tragedys and killings happen all the time. Always have and always will. We need mental health facilities made “readily” available to those that have demonstrated a clear need for help.
psycodad36
Posted on January 12, 2011 at 7:09pmsomeone should finally inform the sheriff that he has a right to remain silent
Report Post »moosebeeusa
Posted on January 12, 2011 at 6:30pmWhy does this Foolsgold person always wants to sound as crazy as this perpetrator??
Report Post »lite530
Posted on January 12, 2011 at 5:27pmThe “blame” rhetoric must stop. The people trying to place blame on Palin, or Beck or anyone else should step back and take a long hard look at themselves. They come across as ridiculous . Beck is no more to blame for this tragedy than Jared’s great grandmother for not having an abortion so his grandmother and hence his mother would have not been born. How have we allowed people like Hillary Clinton, and Rep. Claburn to be in the positions they hold? Please pray that voters remember at election time.
Report Post »Carbine1
Posted on January 12, 2011 at 5:04pmOh OUR citizens will ALWAYS have weapons.
Report Post »leegc
Posted on January 12, 2011 at 4:06pmThe Progressives don’t waste a tragic event to move their agenda forward. They will these type of events to chip away at the rights of the American citizens. They jumped out there trying to tie this shooting to Rush, Palin, Beck, and the Tea Party…but now have egg on their faces because he is connected to their agenda of wanting this country to become a communist country. As the gun laws have become stricter the crime rate has greatly increased. We need to be like the Swiss and issue every law biding citizen a weapon to defend themselves and this country. That is why no one is willing to invade the US…our citizens have guns.
Report Post »pamela kay
Posted on January 12, 2011 at 4:05pmThanks for the info FINA BISCOTTI. As more information comes out our opinions naturally will change. His mother’s position was behind the lack of duty to follow the law that this sherriff is guilty of himself. Well, the blood is more on his hands than anyone that he has falsely accused.
Report Post »foolsgold
Posted on January 12, 2011 at 3:22pm“I planned ahead” probably “just after I saw the CROSSHAIRS on Giffords district and took an extra magazine to RELOAD”
Yeh Sarah “Crosshairs” Palin: you felt GUILTY, didnt ya — thats why you took down the crosshairs graphic JUST AFTER THE shooting.
Only the guilty do that so quickly. I rest my case.
Report Post »DashRipRock
Posted on January 12, 2011 at 3:32pmF*Tard
Report Post »DashRipRock
Posted on January 12, 2011 at 3:33pmTOOLSGOLD
I dont suppose I could talk you into defending Jared Loughner in court could I?
Report Post »ShyLow
Posted on January 12, 2011 at 3:35pmThe left has had their crosshairs on Sarah Palin as soon as she stepped on the scene…and show no signs of removing them…she had an obsessed man move next door to her and her family
Report Post »SavvyCowboy
Posted on January 12, 2011 at 4:51pm@FOOLSGOLD – crawl back under the pile of excrement from which you came. SLUG. Loughner was pissed because his congresswoman wasn’t LIBERAL ENOUGH. I am surprised the boy even knew how to shoot let alone reload – most leftists have no clue about guns – other than to outlaw them.
Report Post »RugDog
Posted on January 12, 2011 at 3:11pmSo, Wednesday obama goes to Arizona to read a teleprompter. hmmm
Report Post »TX Progressive
Posted on January 12, 2011 at 3:22pmbut it was ok for Mama Grizzly to use one right?
Report Post »DashRipRock
Posted on January 12, 2011 at 3:29pmArizona should have added an amendment to the bill they passed last night banning all teleprompters
Report Post »Rapunzel
Posted on January 12, 2011 at 3:45pm@TinyDD – From the heart, good one! Ha ha!
Report Post »SavvyCowboy
Posted on January 12, 2011 at 4:56pmThe teleprompter will speak – nobama will lip sync. Watch nobama blame Mama Grizzly, talk radio, Rush, Glenn Beck, Fox News, Conservatives, the Tea Party patriots and recommend “tough NEW legislation to prevent this tragic massacre from happening again” (aka – “I‘m doin’ away with the 2nd Amendment boys.”).
RENEGE November 6, 2012 – THAT’S how we start solving our problems. It’s called VOTING – not SHOOTING. As much as nobama wants to continue what the National Socialist German Workers’ Party had going 70+ years ago, we can prevent that by VOTING the lame duck prez OUT! And all his LIBERAL buddies too.
Report Post »TX Progressive
Posted on January 12, 2011 at 6:19pmOh, I see, teleprompters are bad for Obama but OK Gov Palin…got it.
Report Post »DashRipRock
Posted on January 12, 2011 at 3:08pmIn the Columbine shooting the Virginia Tech shooting and in this one
all the shooters
Couldnt keep a job
Didnt have many friends
Didnt have a girlfriend
and nobody knew what they were talking about
sounds alot like Bill Maher to me.
Report Post »code green
Posted on January 12, 2011 at 3:23pmMost of the school shooting have been commited by persons that have been on or just quit drugs treating them for ADD ADHD . Side effect of ritlin…..homicide . Like the man says don’t believe me .check it out your self .
Report Post »I would like to know if there is a conection here also .
DashRipRock
Posted on January 12, 2011 at 3:31pmWhy is it that nobody had ADD or ADHD before political correctness hit the scene?
Report Post »takingonissues.com
Posted on January 12, 2011 at 3:08pmLoughner is a nut, period. It‘s not Rush’s fault, it‘s not Sarah Palin’s fault, it’s not the fault of radio talk show. The left just need a crisis so they can fake their sincerity and show us how much they care; but we all know they don’t care about the American people, they only care about themselves and their careers. To take a crisis like this awful shooting and turn it into a push back against conservatives is disgusting. Check out http://www.takingonissues.com
Report Post »Reasonabiliy
Posted on January 12, 2011 at 3:05pmThe Police must have a warrant to search a vehicle or have “probable cause” (reason to believe crime is afoot) to search a vehicle unless they are impounding it for a reason other than possible criminally activity such as towing an abandon car on public property or a public highway.But this dummy Dupnik should havealready had this guy in their sights but his crew was probably too busy arresting illegal aliens.(NOT). He should have had an officer at the Rally to keep the peace to begin with.
Report Post »Patriot
Posted on January 12, 2011 at 3:05pmI feel horrible for his parents (pending further information on their actions).
Report Post »untameable-kate
Posted on January 12, 2011 at 3:05pmMaybe if the POS sheriff there would have informed the FBI about the death threats the shooter would not have been able to go into a gun store and purchase a weapon. His background check was clean.
Report Post »Echad
Posted on January 12, 2011 at 2:55pmI actually find it frightening that so many people can believe with out a shred of evidence that people on the right are fueling violence.
de•lu•sion
PSYCHOLOGY false belief: a persistent false belief held in the face of strong contradictory evidence, especially as a symptom of psychiatric disorder.
Under that definition it seems that better than 30% of America has a psychiatric disorder!
Report Post »ShyLow
Posted on January 12, 2011 at 3:16pmThe left could exploit this for far more than gun control…they consider most people that believe in the bible to be mentally ill…that is about 70% of the country…give or take…they would first start out with those already diagnosed with an illness and then progress from there…they already have your re-education camps ready…I mean hospitals
Report Post »Lloyd Drako
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 6:45pmShylow,
Yes, and I have heard Mark Levin and others say that liberalism is a mental disorder.
So where does that leave us?
Everybody just take their meds and settle down.
Report Post »1minuteman
Posted on January 12, 2011 at 2:53pmthat crazed look in his eyes reminds me of howard dean. thats just as intellegent a connection as the left keeps trying to make against the right.
Report Post »republitarian
Posted on January 12, 2011 at 3:13pmAnd why is his head shaved? And the eyebrows?
Report Post »Lloyd Drako
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 6:36pmHe doesn’t look at all like Howard Dean!
But it would be interesting to know how long his head’s been shaved: did he shave it himself, just before committing these crimes, a la Travis Bickle?
Report Post »DashRipRock
Posted on January 12, 2011 at 2:53pmWhy is it you never hear about a mass shooter:
He listened to air supply, volunteered at an retirement home , played canasta, and once donated a kidney to a homeless man because he felt bad he didnt have any change.
no its always
He listened to death metal, played violent video games left violent messages on the internet and couldnt get laid.
Report Post »mamawalker
Posted on January 12, 2011 at 2:51pmI pray for all those involved, including his parents. I have read many comments where people are quick to blame his parents, but we should not stand in judgment. I know many examples of children from good homes doing crazy things, from robbery to murder. The only person responsible for this tragedy is this young man and his obvious mental illness.
Report Post »Rn mom
Posted on January 12, 2011 at 2:51pmJared is responsible for himself. Each time he pulled the trigger he made a new choice to murder. Simple as that. The parents aren’t to blame, the gun isn’t to blame, the police aren’t to blame, Obama is not to blame. Sometimes tragedy happens and it doesn’t require congress to enact laws to spare us from future tragedies. We have sufficient laws on the books for people to understand that murder is not acceptable in our society, one more law will not be the magical combo.
Report Post »jgeezy
Posted on January 12, 2011 at 3:02pmWell said RNMOM. Are people really arguing the fact that this kid didn’t understand it was wrong because we dont have harsh enough gun laws?
http://practicalpolitician.wordpress.com/
Report Post »NoMoreGray
Posted on January 12, 2011 at 3:15pmMaybe if the sheriff weren’t doing so many political prop interviews we would have had these “facts” sooner rather than baseless politically motivated crap.
Report Post »TX Progressive
Posted on January 12, 2011 at 3:20pmRN Mom, great comments. Question: Apparently when the assault weapons ban expired six years ago, it legalized the use of these ‘extended’ magazines. Everything he had was legal, presumeably if the extended magazine was not legal, he wouldn’t have had it. thanks
Report Post »Rn mom
Posted on January 12, 2011 at 3:53pmTx Progressive, As an answer to your question, the extended magazine was not a factor in committing these murders. Didn’t the magazine end up jamming on the second round? Maybe the extended magazine saved some lives. Murder is illegal and immoral- and look what Jarred did.
Report Post »walkwithme1966
Posted on January 12, 2011 at 4:31pmAgree with you RN MOM – he is responsible and we all need to stop blaming others – left or right or TeaParty or Obama – Loughner did it and that’s all it amounts too. http://wp.me/pYLB7-v9
Report Post »SavvyCowboy
Posted on January 12, 2011 at 4:47pm@RNMOM you are right! Guns don’t kill people, husbands who come home early do. :)
Report Post »Zoe
Posted on January 12, 2011 at 5:14pmWhere’s “Thought shalt not kill when you need it” On a wall you not want that to hang?
Report Post »Rogue
Posted on January 12, 2011 at 5:37pmI myself in awaiting the new flood of legislation to restrict violent video games and music. Apparently he had no interest in any of the media that the left is trying to use as blame – all this guy seemed to care about was his heavy metal music and video games.
Report Post »TX Progressive
Posted on January 12, 2011 at 6:17pmRN – I had not heard that it jammed, send a link if you have one. I am not a gun control extremist, I believe in the 2nd amendment, but I struggle with where to draw the line. We used to allow fully automatic weapons but don’t any longer ( I think ). Of course it is this guy’s fault, nobody elses. If he had a fully automatic weapon a lot more people would have died, conversely, if the extended magazine were illegal I believe fewer would have died.
Report Post »Misty Williams
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 6:26pmI would really like to know why it was necessary to bare his parent’s financial dealings to the world. Why should we be discussing the value of their home, and their hourly wages? That it is beyond intrusive in my opinion. Mr. and Mrs. Loughner are suffering over this too. Can you imagine how broken and helpless you would feel if one of your children committed this act? My gosh, it‘s not bad enough they’re home is surrounded by life sucking vampires in reporter’s clothing, but they are being run over the wringers, how long they’ve lived there, their jobs or no jobs, even how much they earn? Talk about intrusive! Jared Loughner is the one who committed these crimes, not his parents! Camp outside the jail if you need to, but for heaven’s sake, leave these poor people to grieve and mourn. Their Jared was once a beautiful little bundle in sleeper and a blanket, he cooed and smiled at them, a sunny faced little boy, who gave them hugs, and giggled; they’ve lost all their hope for him forever. These poor parents, like all the people who were wounded or killed and their families, the Loughners lost all their hopes for him, and now they must bear the cruel, invasive scrutiny of the bloodthirsty press. The Loughners have my heartfelt sympathy, as do all the people affected by this tradgedy. These poor people.
Report Post »Lloyd Drako
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 6:43pm@ Misty
Report Post »You have well said something that needed to be said.
For which you will doubtless be called POS, f*tard, moron and more!
I take it you are a parent?
Misty Williams
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 10:56pm@Lloyd Drako
I am a parent, many times over. None of my kids have committed any crimes, knock on wood! but… weird as it is, I used to be a bail bond agent, and the thing that always tore at my heart was the parents standing in the jail with me, waiting for their child’s release, and crying–”What did I do wrong; how could I have prevented this?” I’d put myself in their shoes, and I ached for them. Fortunately, none of my bonds were for violent crimes. I don’t think I would have written them if they were.
My opinion: Jared Loughner did this. His parents didn’t, the music didn’t, a break-up with a girlfriend didn’t, radio didn’t, political discourse didn’t. Mentally ill or not the young man made choices. Jared picked up the gun, Jared pulled the trigger, Jared wounded 13, Jared killed 6. He is solely responsible. Leave the mourners to their grieving: Get out of their faces, quit treating them like fish in a dish. Let them weep, and let them heal. Media makes me plain sick, the way they feed off the misery and agony of people who just need to be left alone. Mr. and Mrs. Loughner are NOT our business.
Report Post »jagr1850
Posted on January 12, 2011 at 2:51pmjust one question…..why did the police fail to search his car when he was stopped ?/
Report Post »youguysready_letsroll
Posted on January 12, 2011 at 2:59pmWhy would they feel the need to search his car for only running a stop sign?
Report Post »theprofessor1031
Posted on January 12, 2011 at 2:59pmNo legal reason to have done so. Saying this would be to suggest the police should search every car they pull over.
Report Post »WireWizard
Posted on January 12, 2011 at 2:59pmI certainly don’t expect police to search a car of a person who gets a moving violation. Since when do you expect that???
Report Post »Bull Dog
Posted on January 12, 2011 at 3:01pmI would guess a little thing called probable cause. Do you really want law enforcement looking in your vehicle for legal items everytime you commit a traffic violation?
Report Post »Goobergregory
Posted on January 12, 2011 at 3:03pmI am not much of a lawyer, but I think they have to have cause to search. If Jared was acting normal and had no outstanding warrants it would not make sense to search. I do not want them to search me ever unless they have probable cause. I get that part. There were many things that I am sure as it gets patched together will have been a far greater oversight.
Report Post »ovrwlmd
Posted on January 12, 2011 at 3:04pmDidn’t search because there was no cause —– guess he looked normal.
Report Post »DashRipRock
Posted on January 12, 2011 at 3:05pmDid it say a Game warden pulled hom over?
Report Post »VTSickFreak
Posted on January 12, 2011 at 3:06pmIf the Fish & Game officer who pulled Loughner over was trained in Behavioral Profiling (as the Israelis practice) perhaps he might have observed a micro-expression or other body language that would have given him cause to detain the shooter.
Report Post »borninthewronggeneration
Posted on January 12, 2011 at 3:08pmThe police do not have the authority to search any car they feel the need to, nor do we want them to do this. The right to privacy for vehicles in America has actually increased in American thanks to Gant v. Arizonia where the police lost the right to search a vehicle incident to arrest based off of an exception to the 4th amendment. The short verision of the rights police have to search cars is they can only search a vehicle if they have a reasonable suspicion the vehicle contains illegal items or a weapon.
Report Post »republitarian
Posted on January 12, 2011 at 3:11pmYou’re kidding. Right?
Report Post »AzDebi
Posted on January 12, 2011 at 3:12pmI wish the empty suite from the WH would just stay out of our state…he has nothing to offer us at such a somber time…his words always ring empty, like the vessel that he is…he should just go shoot a round or two of golf and take his wife, Eric and Janet with him!
Report Post »Fina Biscotti
Posted on January 12, 2011 at 3:14pmSheriff Dupnick has been allowing this maniac to run free in his district….for some time….bc his mother works for Pima County.
Sheriff Dupnick has been stuntin for the Loughner family for some time……allowing Jared as many free passes…..for his criminal behavior…..that corruption in law enforcement allows…….while jared’s behavior escalated……into the Massacre……w all the warning signs of a domestic Terrorist……death threats and all.
Dupnick allowed Jared Loughner to be a menace to society…….by doing nothing to get him off the streets.
His parents were very well aware their son was a Major Problem…….by fixing all his charges…..and running interference so that he would not be held accountable for his crim ok nal behavior.
Both Dupnick and loughner’s mother should be forced to resign as “employees” of PIMA COUNTY…..zbusing their positions to participate in a conspiracy for obstruction of justice.
The people of Arizona should demand a Grand Jury investigstion……into the identities of the parties who were pulling strings…..fixing cases….refusing to priceed w criminal charges when jated’s victims reported him to law enforcement authorities…..and fetermined that death threats were not a serious enough offense to arrest him…..although msking death threats using a telrohone is a federal offense…..and should have been reported to the feds by Sheriff Dupnick himself.
Report Post »CultureWarriors
Posted on January 12, 2011 at 3:18pmWe don’t know if they had cause at the time. However it is clear this Dupnik is totally incompetent and needs to step down. If they had a liberal policy of turning death threats over to “Mental Health Officials” then the liberal policy is part to blame. It‘s funny how liberals cry and scream when real law enforcement enforces the law but when a political hack like this bumbling sheriff screws up they make the baseless and untrue claims that somehow it was Rush’s fault. This is beyond vulgar, it’s to the point that we have to ask; if you are a Democrat, are you qualified to be in charge of anything?
SHERIFF DUPNIK, FOR THE PUBLICS SAFETY, PLEASE STEP DOWN IMMEDIATELY!
Report Post »va_magoo
Posted on January 12, 2011 at 3:19pmperhaps its called reasonable doubt? How many times have you been “searched” for a traffic stop?
and if they had found a Walmart bag with a box of ammo, so what…. thats legal.
Once again we can not predict the actions of people. Should this man have been allowed to buy a weapon? Probably not, but that still doesnt mean he would not have gotten a hold of one legally or not.
Report Post »Crazy people do crazy things. HE is responsible for what HE did, no one else…..
The problem with America today is that people will not take responsibility for their actions. Its always someone else’s fault.
snowleopard3200 {cat folk art}
Posted on January 12, 2011 at 3:38pmThe officers most likely did nto feel there was sufficient cause for a further search; not all traffic stops turn out to be major reasons to search each and every vehicle down to the nuts and bolts.
Report Post »SavvyCowboy
Posted on January 12, 2011 at 4:45pm@JAGR1850 – Probable Cause prevented them from searching the car. Had they seen something suspicious inside the vehicle, they could’ve searched it. If this leftist lunatic had his ammo in his trunk or in a plastic bag tucked under the seat and out of eyesight, the police officer’s hands are tied. I also wonder if he was pulled over by somebody from AZ Game & Fish because that’s the agency who reported the traffic stop – had it been the police dept. don‘t you think they would’ve issued the statement on that traffic stop? I know in MY sleepy little hamlet if the cops pull you over for failure to stop, you‘re gettin’ a ticket no “Ifs, ands or buts about it‘ that’s for sure.
Report Post »Deuteronomy22
Posted on January 12, 2011 at 5:23pmVTSickFreak
Report Post »Posted on January 12, 2011 at 3:06pm
If the Fish & Game officer who pulled Loughner over was trained in Behavioral Profiling (as the Israelis practice) perhaps he might have observed a micro-expression or other body language that would have given him cause to detain the shooter.
—————————————————————————————————————————————————Yeah just what American freedom needs, a micro expression or body language becoming probable
cause. Talk about a police state.
CatB
Posted on January 12, 2011 at 6:26pmDUPNIK .. has been covering for this “person” for years .. release the files Dupnik .. let us see what you knew and when you knew it!
http://hennessysview.com/2011/01/10/sheriff-dupniks-culpability/#
Report Post »grandmaof5
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 7:55amAnother question, didn’t someone say he took a taxi to the rally? I’ll read back but I thought he ran from his dad.
Report Post »Lloyd Drako
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 6:30pmHad they asked to search his car, without probable cause, he could have refused and been entirely within his legal rights.
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