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Bill Clinton: Obama Should Ignore Congress on Debt, Invoke 14th Amendment

Bill Clinton Congress President Obama Debt Limit Fourteenth AmendmentFormer Democratic President Bill Clinton has come out swinging at Congress, telling The National Memo’s Joe Conason that he would take decisive action if no debt deal is reached by the August 2 deadline. Clinton says that if he were in Obama’s situation, he’d invoke the Fourteenth Amendment to raise America’s debt ceiling “without hesitation, and force the courts to stop me.”

Clinton, who came out strongly against Republicans in an exclusive interview with The National Memo on Monday, said:

“I think the Constitution is clear and I think this idea that the Congress gets to vote twice on whether to pay for [expenditures] it has appropriated is crazy.

[Raising the ceiling] is necessary to pay for appropriations already made…so you can’t say, ‘Well, we won the last election and we didn’t vote for some of that stuff, so we’re going to throw the whole country’s credit into arrears.”

Clinton faced his own debt battles as president during two government shut downs. Back then, though, he didn’t consider utilizing the Fourteenth Amendment, because the debt ceiling was not brought in as part of the overall debate. The National Memo has more:

According to Clinton, the Gingrich Republicans thought about that tactic [using the debt ceiling] before rejecting it — and Treasury officials who served under Clinton commissioned legal research on the president’s power to raise the debt ceiling without congressional approval. While some legal scholars believe the Fourteenth Amendment requires Congress to fund the debt that results from its appropriations, and therefore empowers the president to raise the debt ceiling, others vehemently disagree.

The American Spectator takes issue with Clinton’s opinion on the matter, writing that the Fourteenth Amendment doe not call Congress to borrow monies whenever needed. Rather, the amendment instructs Congress to pay for what it spends:

Meaning it can choose to cut spending, raise taxes, or print more currency. Arguing as Clinton does would also license the president to print more currency in order to pay the bills, effectively running down the value of the dollar.

It‘s like saying that once you’ve maxed out all your credit cards, you have no choice but to transfer the balance to a new credit card.

Some say Clinton isn’t the only prominent individual speaking out in support of unilateral use of the Fourteenth Amendment. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner has also allegedly advocated its use. CNN Money has more:

Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner has heightened the debate over the debt ceiling extension in recent weeks by implying that the President could simply push through an extension of the debt ceiling based on an interpretation of the Fourteenth Amendment of the United States Constitution.

While some believe Geithner has been clear in advocating for the president’s use of the Fourteenth Amendment, others — including legal representation at the Treasury, itself — claim this isn’t the case. In a release published on July 8, 2011, a lawyer for the Treasure Department denied this allegation, writing:

Secretary Geithner has never argued that the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution allows the President to disregard the statutory debt limit.

According to the Treasury’s legal counsel, Geithner’s words thus far on the matter have been intended to compel Congress to take action on the debt limit. President Obama has avoided direct questioning on the matter, though, making it difficult to conclude exactly where he stands and what he will do if a plan is not reached.

Despite Clinton’s claims that Obama should invoke the Fourteenth Amendment if needed, he tells Conason that he believes the situation will be remedied by August 2. The former president says that it looks as though an agreement will be made, which he calls “smart.”

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  • American_Bearcat
    Posted on July 19, 2011 at 9:27am

    I love how Clinton is offering his advice when he started this whole debt problem!
    He started with making housing affordable to everyone which comletly screwed the market over for Bush and Obama

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  • ABT123
    Posted on July 19, 2011 at 9:27am

    Clinton, now there is an expert – remember it was a Republican congress that made his time in office anything close to successful.

    This country is founded on Judeo-Christian precepts, one of which is “neither a borrower nor a lender be”. So let’s try this on for size: Why doesn’t the House pass a law? That says: “If the debt ceiling is reached, this is the priority of payments: All interest on the debt, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, DOD
    Others 0-100% as necessary
    -the last to be paid (if there is anything left) as follows:
    Hi Speed Rail, Student Loans, IRS, Department of Education, All the Czars, Senate paychecks, House paychecks, and finally the Presidents paycheck.”
    By the way if the funding problem came down to having the IRS, or the President getting his pay check – we would have a FLAT TAX tomorrow. Same with the Dept. of Education – it would be gone. We don’t need a Constitutional Amendment – just threaten their pay check. Let’s see the Republicans, or the Democrats explain, either not voting for it, or Obama vetoing it…
    Spending Caps – is just another word for DEBT LIMIT INCREASE – Start reducing the “DEBT LIMIT” 10% per year until it makes sense, let us stop the bull.

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    • wtc101
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 9:43am

      Bravo!

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    • mikem1969
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 9:48am

      Once again, all libs and progressives understand is tax, spend, and run up more debt. They will never understand the concept of living within your means as WE THE PEOPLE HAVE TO. We can’t continue to run up debt, print play money, run up more debt, we would go to jail. Hmm, time to build a special prision for congressional idiots and libs and progressives.

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    • Tom21773
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 9:50am

      Clinton‘s the one who forced the banks to give mortgages to people who couldn’t possibly pay them. If he’s so smart, then he knew the system would collapse. If he didn’t know the system would collapse, then he’s an idiot. Either way, he has no credibility to discuss the situation at all. And if he is so smart as his followers believe, he should be in prison.

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    • Enuff Zenuff
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 9:57am

      @ABT123
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 9:27am
      “Clinton, now there is an expert – remember it was a Republican congress that made his time in office anything close to successful.”

      Thank you so much for saying this – It is such an under-reported fact! Congress controls the purse-strings, not the President. Clinton’s economic successes were in spite of himself – The gingrich congress deserves the credit for the ‘surplus’… and likewise the Democratic Congress that came in under Reagan deserves the blame for raising the deficit under his term.

      Clinton should shut his stupid mouth – we wouldn‘t be in this mess if he hadn’t vetoed the excellent plan that the Republican congress had come up with to avert the debt crisis faced under his sadministration. Now it is much worse because he prevented us from taking corrective actions back then.

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    • darkknight91
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 9:58am

      Slick Willie is all over the map. One day he sides with Republicans, the next he sides with President Kenya. Trying to be all things to all people. Some things never change.

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    • dont tread
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 10:02am

      Our future is going to be determined by the education system today so why in the hell would you cut student loans and funding for the board of education? Not only is it shortsighted, but you aren’t going to be very popular if you do so. Young Republicans in Texas began jumping ship after Perry cut HUGELY into education spending.

      And considering our problems today I‘m very suprised you would call Clinton’s presidency something “close to successful” considering there was a deficit SURPLUS.

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    • Flashman
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 10:10am

      AS Clinton would invoke the 14th Amendment (sec 4) Perhaps he should first read sec 5.

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    • RichNGadsden
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 10:17am

      Clinton really should bother to read Section 5 of the 14th Amendment.

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    • skitrees
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 10:18am

      The 14th amendment part they quote is in part D…part E states simply that CONGRESS shall have the power to implement all previous sections (which would include D). The amendment strictly forbids the president to act on the amendment!! We cannot allow them to claim the 14th amendment. The key words they keep falling back to are “shall not” – they say these words give the president the power (again, see section E), but why are these words so powerful in amendment 14, and so worthless in amendment 2? Weird, isn’t it?!

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    • CultureWarriors
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 10:24am

      Like the Dept of Ed, don’t forget there are MANY un-needed departments … EPA, HUD, Dept of Ag etc etc etc … None are needed and are part of the reason we are destroying our children’s future with this mounting debt. The framers would be shocked at how big and wasteful the government has become.

      How about a constitutional amendment that as long as we are in debt no congressman, senator or president/vp can be paid a penny!

      The fact that we are having this discussion is a failure of leadership!

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    • encinom
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 10:24am

      Are there unicorns and fluffy clouds and rainbowws in the tbagger world that you live in?

      Of course your plan makes zero sense in the real world. Agencies employ people, don’t fund the agency, fire people, more unemployment. Also the market failed, corporations are hoarding money, it is up the to US government to infuse revenue into the market.

       
    • enemy of the statist
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 10:25am

      He is now an arm chair quarterback. He wasn’t so tough when he was sitting in the big chair.

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    • TheOracleOfTruth
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 10:31am

      @ABT123 – you are correct, but for one thing, nothing of substance will get done. The career pols are NOT going to jeoprodize their jobs to fix the problem. They are damned if they do and damned if they don’t raise it. Either way they do it – straight up no cuts or with cuts (100 billion a year is a joke) and taxes (they could tax all of us 100% and not make a dent in the debt/deficits), it will not solve the problem, and there still will be deficits forever! Also to consider the ratings agencies, what they will do to us, if we raise the ceiling w/o cuts we get downgraded, if we raise it with the joke cuts, we get downgraded, if we don’t raise it we get downgraded. All of these outcomes are not good for the KING dollar, the Worlds Reserve Currency is in deep trouble my friends! Let them raise taxes on the most productive part of our society, and then watch the markets crash, one by one. I’m ready for collapse, are you?

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    • On The Bayou
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 10:34am

      Bill and Hillory are in with the Globalist that want to collaps the USA. And did the public ask him for his opinion anyway. Why is it so easy for regular folks to see we have to stop spending and these polititians want to continue spending money we don`t have?

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    • smithclar3nc3
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 10:37am

      Maybe Bill should read the entire text of the 14th amendment…
      One person shall hold office in either the house,the senate,or the presidency if the are guilty of given aid the enemies foriegn or domestic of the constitution. Obama has admitted that he sought out those people when in college he ahs filled white house positions with communist and socialist both of who are enemies of the constitution.

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    • turkey13
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 10:43am

      Forget Monica and I didn‘t inhale and I didn’t have sex with that woman. Everyone forgets Jennifer Flowers and a death in the White House immediatly after taking the oath. Maybe we need to pull sercret service agents off expresidents and let them all pay for their own security. Bush has made 16 MIllion already off his book and Clinton has made 9 million off his plus Hillarys 6.5 million off her book. Carter has a book out and it has made almost a million dollars.

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    • jzs
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 10:52am

      ABT123, the quote, “Neither a borrower nor lender be” is Shakespeare, not the Bible. I’m not a Biblical expert, but the Bible speaks against “usary” (charging interest) not lending. For example, “Ex. 22:25 If you lend money to my people, to the poor among you, you shall not deal with them as a creditor; you shall not exact interest from them.” And, “Deut. 23:19 ¶ You shall not charge interest on loans to another Israelite, interest on money, interest on provisions, interest on anything that is lent.”

      Tom21773 says, “Clinton‘s the one who forced the banks to give mortgages to people who couldn’t possibly pay them.“ Exactly HOW did Clinton ”force” the banks to loan money? Was there an executive order? How? No, you’re wrong. Banks gave home loans on the assumption that housing prices would continue to go up and that even if someone defaulted, the house would still be worth more than the loan. Pure greed. Pure profit motive.

      Funny, no quote of the 14th Amendment. Here it is: Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law … shall not be questioned.

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    • Tom21773
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 10:53am

      Encinom, the people the agencies are employing are federal workers. Those aren’t real jobs and have proven to offer nothing in results nor any benefits to the economy. Shut down those agencies, and more, and let real business employ the useful ones.

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    • drattastic
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 10:53am

      @encincommie
      ” Of course your plan makes zero sense in the real world. Agencies employ people, don’t fund the agency, fire people, more unemployment. Also the market failed, corporations are hoarding money, it is up the to US government to infuse revenue into the market.”

      No in the real world taxpayers in the private sector have to fund the government’s unsustainable out of control spending. Every in the private sector has felt the pinch of layoffs and downsizing . Every government employee is a negative drag on the taxpayer . How many private sector workers does it take to fund 1 gov. employee’s pay and benefits . so every gov. employee downsized is less taxpayer expenditure.Corporations are hoarding money because they have no idea what the future will bring in terms of taxes and regulations Your President and the democrats are socialist parasites who feed off of the private sector while they destroy it.That money that your government is infusing into the economy is printed play money and every dollar “infused” in that manner makes it worth less ,that translates to your savings and retirement ,your homes value worth less and everything your buy cost more . You are an IDIOT.

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    • rabblechat
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 10:54am

      @abt excellent points! many things could be cut before SSI and medicaid. I know many business owners that have had to forgo their own paycheck just to make sure the payroll and other expenses got paid. If we had real leaders in Washington, that’s the approach they would take.
      Why does the president need a salary anyway? What does he need to pay for?
      Threatening to not pay SSI, Vets etc. is just a scare tactic, they do the same thing in local government; when ever budget cuts come up locally they threaten to quit paying firemen, police, teachers etc. They never mention the non essential programs.
      As a nation we could save billions just if we just quit providing welfare, education and non-emergency health care to illegals.
      and if we did that we would probably slow the influx of illegals considerably.

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    • Shiroi Raion
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 10:54am

      You can’t expect the government to prioritize. That’s too logical. For career politicians, it’s always we take ALL we want without regard for America or the people.

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    • Pinkie
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 10:55am

      Add to the list of “maybes” ALL subsidies. As in Farm, manufacturing (GE), wind farm, solar, and others that are suitable.

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    • Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 11:00am

      Great idea, hats off…I wish something like your plan would be able to get through the house and senate and override the inevitable POTUS veto. It is a very simple, and direct idea, often the best kind around.

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    • agameofthrones
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 11:02am

      @FLASHMAN: You hit the nail on the head. Most people don’t read the ammendments and so are not familiar with its provisions and prohibitions. That said, I hope the Republicans and Democrats both have the backbone to enforce their will on this president. He is looking way too much like a tyrannical dictator. Following the Alinsky method beautifully.

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    • encinom
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 11:10am

      Tom21773
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 10:53am
      Encinom, the people the agencies are employing are federal workers. Those aren’t real jobs and have proven to offer nothing in results nor any benefits to the economy. Shut down those agencies, and more, and let real business employ the useful ones.
      __________________________________________________
      Let’s try this again with facts next time. COrporate america is not hiring, every police officer laid off, every teacher handed a pink slip, every federal worker let go is another person unemployed. That also means the dinners and cafe where they went for lunch lost business, the banks that lent them money for homes now may have more foreclosures on their hands. Tbaggers have no solutions, years of brainwashing have robbed them of their common sense and empathy (funny the good christian Beck turn empathy into a curse word on his failed show).

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    • sWampy
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 11:11am

      I’d pay the debt last, I’ve never know anyone with a debt problem that took care of it until creditors forced them to, it’s time to punt.

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    • Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 11:19am

      Swampy — I do not know if this is along the same lines of your posting; I used to have a major student loan that took quite a bit of time to pay off, along with a stupidly obtained credit card (my own stupidity in getting it in the first place). I did not run into the wall of having creditors come after me, yet I decided to finally tackel the monster and get it gone.

      Almost two years, and it got gone into the history of my mistakes; I can see very easily how I could have gone so far and so fast overboard that the creditors would have been hounding me, and then the drastic cuts in my life would be needed worse than what I chose to make to pay it off.

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    • vincere vel mori
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 11:28am

      If !/2 of the government were gone tomorrow, would anyone notice? Why does it have to be so fargin big? Did we have all this crap after the 1′st world war? Do we need a dept.of homeland security when we already have CIA, FBI, NSA? Why IRS? Flat tax it. Dept. of education? States can handle it. Now how many billions of dollars did I just save? This isnt even 1/2 of what could be cut! The gov. must shrink to allow the states to thrive and prosper. Its nothing but a blood sucking leach swollen fat off of our blood. If this clown Obuma is re-elected then states should begin to succeed. Dump the Gov.

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    • Grapeknutz
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 11:30am

      Yeah…. all this coming from a disgraced IMPEACHED president on how to do illegal uses of being a president.

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    • heavyduty
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 11:31am

      I really like that picture that they have posted: It looks like he just got a dried corn cob shoved up his butt.

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    • saranda
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 11:34am

      @ABT123 – Shakespeare was a great writer but hardly God. I think you are quoting Hamlet with your “neither a borrower or a lender be”.
      My Bible says things like …..Deut. 23:19 ¶ You shall not charge interest on loans to another Israelite, interest on money, interest on provisions, interest on anything that is lent

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    • UlyssesP
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 11:38am

      encinom, monicne, whatever name your using today…
      They are wrong.
      I was wondering, you sign all your posts as monicne with TEA (except the most recent one for some reason) but your posts as encinom aren’t.
      A little schizophrenia is all right I suppose… that kind of disconnect in thought goes with being a progressive.
      Get better.

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    • tarbush
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 11:44am

      If this doesn‘t prove that politicians don’t give a crap about laws and would prefer totalitarianism, I don’t know what does.

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    • chazman
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 11:54am

      This lousy SOB needs to crawl back under his rock and keep his mouth shut!!
      I wish nothing but bad things on you, Clinton, you POS!!!

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    • UPSETVET
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 11:57am

      Hey Bill, you’re not the President now. Well, now that I think about it, you never was the president, just an over sexed middle aged man running around in the oval office chasing young female Whitehouse aides like Monica Lewinsky. You caught her didn’t you ?

      If I was Obama and was seeking advice, Bill Clinton would be the last person I would ask about anything. IS the 14th amendment worded in such a way that Obama could invoke it to raise the debt ceiling without going through congress. Well, Bill would say, “That depends on what IS, is “.

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    • smithclar3nc3
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 11:59am

      . No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may, by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability
      Section 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article
      the 14th amendment clearly states that CONGRESS has the power to enforce the 14th amendment!

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    • Live_Free_orDie
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 12:00pm

      I want to know what he thinks about sex in the oval office…that’s what I want to know!

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    • calnaughtonjr
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 12:08pm

      I don’t know if you are running, but if you are you have my vote!

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    • cemerius
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 12:21pm

      Another “stupid liberal” when you can’t present your own plan but just mock anothers you push through some crap and fight it in the courts!!! Hide behind an “interpretation” of the U.S. Constitution when it suits your interests and bypass the will of the people with some legalese……

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    • Mad Mike
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 12:55pm

      Whether by design or by accident, the tea-party republican controlled house is careening towards forcing the Presidents hand on the debt ceiling. Frankly, time is, or has run out. I haven’t checked today but if they pass the cut, cap, and balance bill I believe they will (and should) come out and say, “That’s it, that all we are willing to do.” They should then follow-up by passing a series of laws to send to the senate to deal with not raising the debt ceiling, laws that require the Executive Branch to use existing revenues to pay (1) debt, (2) military and (3) necessary social programs (SS and Medicare) in that order. This would limit the President‘s and senate’s options. They can accept cut, cap and balance or choose door number 2, no debt ceiling increase, which is, after all, just another form of balanced budget violently and immediately executed. The other door, the one Clinton recommends in this article and which the Obama administration has been floating for weeks is an impeachable offense and will, at its very least, flip the switch on who owns this debt, bully pulpit or not. As for the constitutionality of unilateral executive action given our roughly $200 billion in monthly revenue, only a fool would believe Obama has that option. Hope they try it.

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    • AnnMarie
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 12:55pm

      I voted for this man, defended him during his Monica Lewinsky issue and now quite honestly am stunned by this statement of his. Why can’t Washington understand that you cannot spend more than what you have? Why can’t Washington understand that those who pay taxes to keep this country the great nation it is, has done more than their share. Now it is time to control the spending, get those 50 per cent who pay no taxes to pay up, get rid of the tax loop holes for all, and pay down the deficit…

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    • Jabber
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 12:58pm

      Every time someone says anything about raising taxes in order to “fix” our national debt-just say one of the two following sentences and/or link them to the following article-

      #1
      “Statistical analysis has PROVEN that in the past 65 YEARS (the post World War II era), higher tax revenues have NEVER (yeah you read that right) NEVER resulted in LESS Government spending”
      #2
      “Statistical analysis done on recent history has proven that for every $1 in increased tax revenue collected by the US Government, the US Government ADDS another $1.91 in additional spending.”

      http://online.wsj.com/articleSB10001424052748704648604575620502560925156.html?mod=djemEditorialPage_h

      And then stop talking to them. IF they can prove the data to be false, or the analysis to be false, or the conclusion to be false-THEN and only then, will they deserve an audience on their point. If they can’t debunk this, they need to SHUT UP!

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    • old white guy
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 1:03pm

      sooner or later the second amendment will have to be used to stop these basta-ds.

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    • Jabber
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 1:14pm

      If copied link above does not work, try this one:
      http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704648604575620502560925156.html?mod=djemEditorialPage_h

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    • mompatriot
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 1:17pm

      Amen.

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    • chazman
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 1:17pm

      If it weren’t for you lousy politicians, Bill, we woudn’t be in this debt mess. It’s because of you that we are out of work, have lost our homes, and are losing sight of the future of our country! Don‘t think for one second that the American people won’t come after you because we will. There will be no where for you to hide. We will find you! The Congress of the United States of America works for the American people, not Obama and certainly not YOU!!. You would be well advise never to forget that, you communist! I think the American people will just IGNORE YOU, YOU BUM!!!

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    • Favored93
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 1:28pm

      @dont tread
      Read your history congress not the president has the power of the purse. Clinton had a surplus because of Newt and the republican congress. Obama owns our current state of tax and spend and then spend some more because Ried and Miss Nancy gave the man EVERY THING HE WANTED!
      Bush and the republicans spent WAY to much but Obama in 3 years TRIPLED what Bush did in EIGHT!
      He promised hope and change but only gave us half. We are fast becoming hopeless and the change is a country we don’t recognize.
      Put mu dog in the white house he would do a better job!

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    • Favored93
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 1:32pm

      @dont tread
      I forgot to mention that the dept of education has DESTROYED our education system. Yes a good quality education is the foundation of our future and that being said DISMANTLE THE DEPT. OF ED!!!!!

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    • aznchef1003
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 1:51pm

      I like your plan very well thought

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    • encinom
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 1:55pm

      A couple things, first how is following the Constitution an impeachable offense? the 14th Amendment options is a part of the COnstitution.

      Second, COngress already authorized the spending, raising the debt ceiling is not for new spending, but to pay for the prior spending authorized by Congress. The President, using hte 14th Amendment woul donly be carrying out the demands of Congress,

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    • NOTAMUSHROOM
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 2:12pm

      What the heck does he mean by “invoke” the 14th amendment? All of the amendments are in effect ALL OF THE TIME! You can’t pick and choose which ones you want to use when and only when they serve your purpose. You also can’t pick out just one part of an amendment and “invoke” that when it’s convenient either.

      Take for example this snippet from Amendment 14, Section 4: “But neither the United States nor any state shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts , obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.”

      I guess that shoots to Hell the whole reparations gambit as well as the Cloward and Piven Strategy to overwhelm the system to bring about the downfall of the USA which is presently being perpetrated by The Marxist in Chief, who, BTW, IS NOT CONSTITUTIONALLY ELIGIBLE TO BE PRESIDENT!!!!!

      Every day I think I’m waking up in a flipping nightmare while these progressives are in control.

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    • kjunme
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 2:18pm

      Dont Tread, if you think about it cutting funding for education might not be so bad. Think about it this country is in a real mess and I am sure that at least since the 1980′s all of our elected officials did attend a higher education. So, it seams that smart people aren’t so smart after all. You see i make pretty good money when I work and when the money’s pouring in I tend to spend a little more freely, then comes the layoff and the money stops so I cut spending and sit back and wait for the next big job.

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    • progressiveslayer
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 3:09pm

      For all the simpleton progressives who post on here,government cannot create wealth it can’t create jobs
      it can however create government jobs that aren’t needed are redundant and consumes wealth.I know it‘s hard for you to understand with years of brainwashing by progressives or communists or socialists whatever name you want to use they’re all the same.If we get rid of hud,epa,irs,dept of no energy,and many many others and start the fair tax a lot of our budget problems will be solved.

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    • encinom
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 3:34pm

      @ProgressiveSlayer,

      Let’s do away with the EPA, I mean, who cares if water from the sink is flamable or rivers catch fire. Acid rain, not a big concern.

      Worker’s don;t need protection, just because one of the biggest coal operations have been shown to have a non-existent safety record the miners in West Virigina could always get a job elsewhere, they choose to be miners. Do we really need all there National Parks, I mean we could sell the rights to Mt. Rushmore, Taco Bell Presents Mt. Rushmore or the Change of the Guard at the Tomb of the Unknown brought to you by Tampons.

      The problem with Tbaggers is that they think Ayn Rand is true. The problem is that for them everything must make a profit. Their are jobs and duties where there can be no profit maragin, public health and safety, defense and the environment. Tbaggers are brain dead Beck Zombies without hte ability to reason.

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    • Ruler4You
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 4:01pm

      Bill Clinton is a commie, too. The POTUS can’t spend a dime without Congress. Which would make the POTUS a humiliating failure. Destined to build homes for Habitat for Humanity for the rest of his life like the last cosmic failure from that office.

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    • romeobodeodo
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 4:04pm

      I like the idea. Make the people in charge of spending our money so freely feel the sting first and hardest.

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    • mary mason
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 4:37pm

      clinton needs to keep his big nose out of our business.if i remember his wasn’t any better. the big cheater.

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    • Incredulous321
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 4:40pm

      I think what I read Yesterday was that the defense budget is around 580 Billion. That’s 1/3 of our deficit alone. The socialists are all screaming for cuts in defense spending. If you completely eliminate the DOD we’d still be in the same boat. And, by the way, we’re ENGAGED IN THREE WARS. Can you say banana republic? Can you say military coup? Watch what you wish for libs, I don‘t think there’s enough socialists in the military to paint a barracks!

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    • NC1
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 5:03pm

      Slick Willy needs to get Monica and go retire in Tahiti or somewhere. Get out of here. Your time is done.

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    • Macho Slavich
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 5:11pm

      Amen..if only we had people with balls in Washington…

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    • NC1
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 5:15pm

      JZS you don’t think Clinton started the mortgage fiasco? Go read the Community Reinvestment Act sometime when you get a chance.

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    • Lucy Larue
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 5:57pm

      ABT123,
      Merci ABT123…,Merci! Well said!
      Tres Hilarious…,NON? President Bill is saved from being the WORST President in our nation’s history by the “Peanut Farmer from Plains” , our beloved Jimmah Carter.
      The irony is.., they may BOTH be saved from History’s scorn by our current President…,Barry Dunham.
      My prayer is that in 2012 we send President Dunham and both Clintons back to private life. None of them have any shame. They have done such damage to this nation.

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    • billybe123
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 6:28pm

      Dotto!!!

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    • avenger
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 7:12pm

      hey slick willy go find a fat broad with a cigar…

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    • Bear
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 7:35pm

      Bill Clinton,you have got to be kidding me? where were you tuff guy.. when you were ridding the coat tales of Ronald Reagan’s Economic Recovery! The only pair of BaLLz you had back then where slapping Monica Lewinsky in the chin!

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    • progressiveslayer
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 7:57pm

      @Encinom You trust government way to much they’re here to protect us right ha ha ha ha.You don’t have a clue,just another brain dead progressive.Funny you mention coal miners,your boy Barry want’s to put the coal industry out of business,said so on camera.So we won‘t have to worry about those pesky light bulbs oh that’s right we’ll have windmills & solar that’s the ticket,ask the people of Spain how green energy worked out for them,25% unemployment D BAG.

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    • Av8tor056
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 8:04pm

      Finally a common sense approach. Too bad it’ll never happen. Politicians are never going to agree to something that takes away their perks. Remember, in Washington, shared sacrifice means that we sacrifice while they profit.

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    • tower7femacamp
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 8:55pm

      The 14th amendment applies to ‘persons born or naturalized’. Can property be born? Were slaves (property) born? In the early days of this country, when you were born, your birth was recorded in the family Bible. This showed you were under the jurisdiction of God, your creator. Starting in the 1930′s, when you were born, you were issued a birth certificate from the state, and this certificate was recorded in the state records. After your birth certificate is recorded, it is sent to the Department of Commerce. Why there? Because the government is creating an artificial person and is just recording the birth of their property, that they will control and use for generating tax revenue. This is done to create an employee of the United States corporation to help pay off the national debt, since it is not legal to use private property to pay public debts. When you are bankrupt, you can use all the help you can get, or create!

      The U.S. Constitution Art. I Section 8 says that one of the powers of the United States government is: To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states (50 states), and with the Indian Tribes;

      So, if your birth certificate created some corporate property (artificial person) of the federal government, ‘resident’ in one of the 50 states, ‘regulated’ in commerce, does the Code of Federal Regulations (CFR) apply to you?

      http://usa-the-republic.com/revenue/true_history/Chap8.html

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    • The Third Cell
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 10:10pm

      When I see the word Republicans and Budget Cuts in the same sentence, I immediately know they’re going to stick it to the middle class once again. Can I remind you that this bunch of Losers from 2000 – 2008 spent money like a drunken sailor, not having one regard for the deficit and taxpayers. It was the Republicans who bankrupted the federal budget and by also doing away with banking regulations allowed $20 Trillion dollars of toxic derivatives to be sold without any oversight, resulted in bankrupting every state budget and the budgets of countries around the world.

      Since you seem to spout information from various orifices, none of which are above the waist line, please provide all the proof necessary to back up these ridiculous claim.

      An American worker voting for a Republican is sort of like a chicken supporting Colonel Sanders!

      “You can fool some of the people all of the time and those are the ones you want to concentrate on.”
      George W. Bush

      “It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one’s mouth and remove all doubt.”
      Abraham Lincoln

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    • luvUSA
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 10:37pm

      You said it better than I could…..bravo

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    • obama-mecca-me-sick
      Posted on July 20, 2011 at 12:02am

      Ignore Congress? Isnt that one of those wild predictions from crazy Glenn Beck?
      Bill is egging on the dictator. Hey Obama – better keep slick Willie away from your daughters and don’t give him a cigar.

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    • oudbob
      Posted on July 20, 2011 at 7:30am

      Amen

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    • independentvoteril
      Posted on July 20, 2011 at 9:45am

      @ABT123.. exactly what I have been saying..only I put National Defense.. Military/VETS.. than SS.. MEDICARE.. as the top 4.. and that would be SS and Medicare ONLY for those who PAID in..NOT for the GENERAL FUND as they have it now..

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    • imd1
      Posted on July 20, 2011 at 12:16pm

      You probably have a good point, but I am having a hard time getting past the use of a Shakespearean quote as part of the foundation of Judeo-Christian values…

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    • Ancientastronaut
      Posted on July 21, 2011 at 2:09am

      I concur

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    • its_time_to_arrest_our_government
      Posted on July 21, 2011 at 6:36am

      why on earth are we putting up with these crooks? if ever any bunch belongs in jail its our so called government. they have spent stolen and printed us into bankruptcy. the deed to this nation says WE THE PEOPLE and its us who are going to pay for their theft and criminal acts. these crooks will walk away and its us who will suffer the sting. its about time for us to stand up and remove these crooks. WAKE UP AMERICANS!

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  • SafeguardOurLiberty
    Posted on July 19, 2011 at 9:27am

    It just amazes me that all democrats just don’t care about our Constitution. Every democrat either local, state, or Federal just loves the idea of spending. If anyone believes in the Constitution and what the Founders of this country wanted, they cannot be a democrat because they stand for everything opposite of our Constitution. Clinton has lost his mind.

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    • HKS
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 9:32am

      Clinton is a socialist, he speaks exactly as he is told. Like Obama.

      HKS  
    • Mil-Dot
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 9:38am

      They know that the average American is nothing but a brainwashed sheep and will not lift a finger to stop them. . So, that means they can do anything that they want to with impunity. After all, they all of those armed guards (traitors) protecting them. So, what is there to be afraid of? Nothing, that’s what.

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    • ashestoashes
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 10:11am

      Just a reminder…Clinton dodged the draft and went to Russia. There he was trained. Need I say more.

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    • agameofthrones
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 11:28am

      They are both followers of Alinsky who wrote in the dedication of his book, Rules for Radicals:

      “Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history… the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom — Lucifer.”
      Obama will just be following his mentor and his god.

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    • ZOMBIE JESUS LOVES ME
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 11:56am

      Clinton … the greatest American of the last 40 years! Hands down!

      Good Christ! I miss him. I truly wonder if we’ll ever be that great again.

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    • rose-ellen
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 2:02pm

      The constitution is like the bible ,you can interpret it any way you want.Fix the economy by restarting the housing market.cancel all mortgagess.if you’re in a home you own it, if you’re in a rental your rent is cut in half.We reset the housing market ,everyone breathes a sigh of relief..In the name of “patriotism” banks and loan lenders take a hit .Bring the troops home and raise taxes on the rich!Move to a single payer health care system prop up public not private education. [Bill Clinton is still sooo sexy!].

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    • Sparky101
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 11:00pm

      Will we ever be able to trust Bill Clinton to tell the truth?

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  • SHOWMESTATEGUY
    Posted on July 19, 2011 at 9:27am

    “and force the court’s to stop me”. The dems have packed the courts to the point that they know they can do anything they want. When are people going to realize that elections do matter? When are people going to realize that all judges are not created equally? The American way is being attacked from all sides and the majority just sits there and takes it.

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    • jb.kibs
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 9:55am

      we are building the largest case in history. just watch. there will be public hangings.

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  • RightUnite
    Posted on July 19, 2011 at 9:25am

    Clinton has to have his two minutes of fame a week… What a perverted old hack. Both Clintons deserve each other.

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    • UPSETVET
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 5:03pm

      Both Clintons deserve each other is correct, but that won’t work because BOTH have an eye for the girls. Old wild Bill just won’t stay away from the “limelight”. He‘s a showman and likes getting attention even if it’s not flatering to himself. Of course Hillary LOVES the guy, as long as she can have her fun as well. Hopefully a Republican will take up residence in the Whitehouse in January 2013 and Bill and Hill can fade out into never, never land for good this time.

      You have to hand it to the guy, what he did in the Whitehouse would make most men go into seclusion. Old Bill just got another notch on his gun and is too proud of it to not boast about it. He has to be seen. It‘s a shame he can’t see himself for what he is, a pitiful potbelled, overaged pervert that has the sex appeal of a wrinkled HornyToad. Ignore him and maybe he’ll crawl back under his rock. I wonder if he still has his little black book and if Monica’s name is still in it. I’m glad George W. bush didn’t have any sex scandals while he was in the Oval office. Of course Laura would have done a Lorena Bobbit on him if he had ruffled his feathers in the hen house. haha

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  • cntrlfrk
    Posted on July 19, 2011 at 9:24am

    So, we ignore the debt ceiling and prove to the world we have absolutely no conscience on controlling our wasteful spending or paying off our debts.

    Our credit rating drops, interest rates skyrocket.

    Brand new crisis for Obama to solve.

    Brilliant!

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    • cessna152
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 10:29am

      We have a spending problem not a taxing problem. Simply, this is what is happening:

      I work three jobs and make $100,000 per year and have $90,000 in bills that need to be paid. However, my wife is spending well over $200,000 per year and wants to spend more. She keeps telling people that I am to blame and I should simply raise her credit limit so she can spend more and we can pay our bills. She keeps saying that I should work 2-3 more jobs and it is all my fault! If her credit limit is not raised our life will fall apart and it is my fault…

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  • dirtydog1776
    Posted on July 19, 2011 at 9:24am

    Funny, the liberals ignore the Constitution when it is convenient and invoke it when it suits their plans. How very ideologically inconsistent.

    The advice of Bill Clinton and the actions of Barrack Obama show them to be the stuff of which dictators are made of. They consider Congress to be a nuisance that just gets in the way when they try to do all sorts of wonderful things to help the poor and oppressed. Boy, that democracy certainly stinks.

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    • SimpleTruths
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 11:31am

      You mean like when GWB ignored the Constitutional provisions of rights of privacy and search and seizure?

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    • Berend
      Posted on July 20, 2011 at 12:17am

      Yes, GWB falls under the liberal category described above

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  • loadingmyclips
    Posted on July 19, 2011 at 9:24am

    It was precisely that kind of financial wizardry that caused the high times of Clinton’s administration. A pass the buck deal that blows up in the next generations.face. Faker, a fraud., the grand illusionist speaks!!

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  • million
    Posted on July 19, 2011 at 9:24am

    Stop the insanity. Sign the Allen West for President petition now !

    http://allenwest2012.ning.com/

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  • pukegreenpolitics
    Posted on July 19, 2011 at 9:23am

    Go ahead commit an impeachable offence.

    Not that it will matter the Republicans don’t have the stones to go after him.

    The 14th requires that the debt be paid it does not give overreaching power to the dictator in chief.

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    • booger71
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 9:37am

      Barry already has at least impeachable offense (Libya)

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    • SimpleTruths
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 11:32am

      So upholding the Constitution is an impeachable offense now?

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    • FedUpWObama
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 4:42pm

      Dear God in Heaven, when is all of this nonsense going to stop???? Who does slick willy think he is???

      Lord, I am just sick of it all………………..When are we going to get people in Washington that actually care for this country and the AMERICAN citizens????

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  • rockstone
    Posted on July 19, 2011 at 9:21am

    “Make the courts stop me.”

    The courts? Those people you appointed?

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  • Brizz
    Posted on July 19, 2011 at 9:21am

    Clinton sure loves the spotlight. His presence in the media overshadows Obama, so watch the other hand.

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  • progressiveslayer
    Posted on July 19, 2011 at 9:21am

    That’s right big nose Bill cite your vast knowledge of the constitution,you know about as much as Barry does which is nothing.Barry has trampled it since he was installed.

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  • T-2
    Posted on July 19, 2011 at 9:20am

    I‘m just tired of seeing this guy and Carter parading around as if they’re still important. I don’t see the Bush nor can I remember Regan doing this kind of stuff.

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    • MONICNE
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 9:33am

      Clinton can still think clearly, that should mean something.

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    • IAMMADDOG
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 12:54pm

      Yeah it means he hasn’t had his helmet buffed in a while.

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    • rose-ellen
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 2:44pm

      Bush started 2 wars neither of which are popular now. Reagan went senile. Carter is a great american and a great christian and unafraaid to speak truth to the zionist controlled narrative about the mid east.Clinton makes america look good to the world as the tea party and republicans make america ugly.

       
    • mary mason
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 3:58pm

      thats because they are classey :)

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  • Hula Calhoun
    Posted on July 19, 2011 at 9:20am

    Somebody should break the news to Bill Clinton that he is not president anymore.

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    • vennoye
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 10:37am

      And don’t forget to tell Jimmy Carter too!! What a bunch of loosers!!

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    • DrFrost
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 11:29am

      The unwritten rule used to be that retired presidents stayed “out of frame” if you will… Bill will always be remembered as someone who broke rules he shouldn’t have. The fact that he’s condoning this path should be enough for most people to dismiss it.

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    • Pami
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 11:32am

      And while they are telling them things…they should tell Obama to stop bulling people. Makes me think he’s going to take his toys and go home if he doesnt get his way !! wahhh wahhh…Someone needs to tell Obama to grow the hell up…..just saying :)

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  • JoePatriot
    Posted on July 19, 2011 at 9:20am

    Someone needs to tie Bubba up and force feed him Big Mac‘s until he learns he’s not President anymore or has a coronary.

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  • Chasvs391
    Posted on July 19, 2011 at 9:18am

    OK, this is the LINE in the SAND! It just may be the TIME to Take DOWN this Administration! REVOLUTION is NOW!

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  • Rick300
    Posted on July 19, 2011 at 9:18am

    Maybe we need an amendment to the Constitution making the debt occurred by the president and congress their PERSONAL DEBT even out of office! If the Legislative branch and the Executive branch want to spend more then the country takes in then it is THEY who should shoulder the debt and not the American people who trusted them to make the right choices and not the easy choices!

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    • Konacow
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 10:21am

      Rick, hope you don’t mind but I reposted this to Facebook to get more people behind us, God Bless

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  • ACLUHater
    Posted on July 19, 2011 at 9:18am

    Old liberal presidents never die. They just keep reminding us what pieces of trash they were – and always will be…

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  • lionB
    Posted on July 19, 2011 at 9:16am

    They are creating another false crisis.

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    • Pujols
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 9:19am

      Bill ‘SICK WILLIE’ Clinton is the new Jimmy Carter.

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    • Gonzo
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 9:27am

      No doubt about it. From the recent polling data I’ve seen…it’s working. The people of this country are so focused on their own little worlds, they can’t take time to think this through. Now they just want uncle Obama to make it all better for them. If the citizens of this country can’t take the time away from American Idol etc. to focus on the issues at hand, maybe we deserve what we’re getting…a totalitarian government.

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    • Quasi-socialist
      Posted on July 20, 2011 at 3:58pm

      @Gonzo, no need to lose heart. Rush explained it pretty well this afternoon. They are polling American *adults*, not registered voters, not likely voters, just adults. He pointed out that with just 41% of the _registered_voters_, the GOP swept the election. This is all just chaff to make Repubs and supporters lose heart.

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  • Cobra Blue
    Posted on July 19, 2011 at 9:15am

    WORD UP PEOPLE…Congress is and has been for some time IRRELEVANT….Communist dictatorship here we come…and pretty damn quick if these folks get their way much longer. By the way, the country is gone. Get prepared. Practice self-reliance. Choose this day whom you will serve.

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  • So
    Posted on July 19, 2011 at 9:13am

    Go smoke a cigar, Bill.

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    • T-2
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 9:18am

      i agree, Bill should go and this time inhale .

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  • TRONINTHEMORNING
    Posted on July 19, 2011 at 9:12am

    Yes indeed; the libs completely devoid of responsibility and accountability. Keep showing your true selves, losers.

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  • drbage
    Posted on July 19, 2011 at 9:11am

    God help us if we are now supposed to believe Clinton’s version of “smart.”

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    • LIBSALWAYSLIE
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 9:21am

      Clinton is history and has nothing to offer. Go away pervert, far away. No New Taxes of ANY kind. Its a spending problem, not a revenue problem. The socislist president wants to punish success and spread the weath around, I have news for him, Tell your worshipers to go earn thir own money and stop trying to take from others who have EARNED what they have.

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    • Fubar Frog
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 10:12am

      @libsalwayslie; What and get off their couch and crack pipe? Surely you jest!

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  • SamIamTwo
    Posted on July 19, 2011 at 9:09am

    This demented pervert needs to sit down and shut up.

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    • Pami
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 11:29am

      Thank you !!! And I think Obama should sit down and hush as well. He only has HIS interest that he;s thinking about….NOT ours. And for that matter….who made him “think” he knows whats best for us? He REALLY has no idea what we want or else he would LISTEN more and stop trying to do something he has no idea on how to do it. I think he’s an idiot and needs to step back and re-access. :)

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  • hauschild
    Posted on July 19, 2011 at 9:23am

    No, people are too stupid and lazy to face the music.

    Only when it is no longer possible not face it, will anything change.

    We have nothing more than common criminals in federal and state governments.

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