Defense Secretary: ‘Climate Change Has a Dramatic Impact on National Security’
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Defense Secretary Leon Panetta (Photo: DOD/Erin A. Kirk-Cuomo)
Tuesday evening Defense Secretary Leon Panetta spoke at an Environmental Defense Fund event that was honoring the Department of Defense for green initiatives. In his speech, Panetta highlighted of how “climate and environmental change are emerging as national security threats” that “weigh heavily” on the Pentagon’s strategies.
Here‘s some of what Panetta said from the Department’s posted statement:
“The area of climate change has a dramatic impact on national security,” Panetta said here at a reception hosted by the Environmental Defense Fund to honor the Defense Department in advancing clean energy initiatives. “Rising sea levels, severe droughts, the melting of the polar caps, the more frequent and devastating natural disasters all raise demand for humanitarian assistance and disaster relief,” Panetta said.
Panetta cited the melting of Arctic ice in renewing a longstanding call for the Senate to ratify the United Nations Convention on Law of the Sea. More than 150 nations have accepted the treaty, which has been in force since the early 1990s, and a succession of U.S. government administrations have urged ratification.
Among other things, the convention would guarantee various aspects of passage and overflight for the U.S. military. Panetta urged his audience to use their influence to push for treaty ratification. “We are the only industrialized nation that has not approved that treaty,” he said.
In his speech, Panetta pointed to the need for increased efficiency with rising fuel costs and budget shortages. According to the release, DoD spent $15 billion on fuel last year for military efforts. Panetta expressed the department would be investing more than a billion dollars in the next fiscal year for more efficient systems including aircraft and aircraft engines, hybrid electric drives for ships, improved generators, microgrids for combat bases and combat vehicles.
“We are investing another billion dollars to make our installations here at home more energy-efficient, and we are using them as the test bed to demonstrate next-generation energy technologies,” he said.
More specifically, National Defense Magazine calls out Panetta’s recent signing of a plan March 9 that sets targets for “transforming the way U.S. armed forces consume energy in military operations”:
These battlefield-focused energy initiatives aim to cut back on fuel demand in war zones as supply lines into Afghanistan increasingly have come under enemy attack. There are currently more than 400 U.S. forward-operating bases in Afghanistan that consume from 250 to 7,500 gallons of fuel per day depending on their size. Large bases go through up to 50,000 gallons of fuel per day. Overall, the U.S. military consumes 50 million of gallons per month in Afghanistan.
While Panetta’s plan has been welcomed by some, National Defense Magazine states funding for these initiatives have been questioned by Republicans.
Considering the effect of dramatic climate change by the DoD is nothing new. In 2007, the Center for Naval Analyses released a report that stated it found climate change would act as a “‘threat multiplier’ for instability in some of the most volatile regions of the world”.
In 2009, the New York Times reported war games and intelligence studies were conducted to evaluate the potential effects of extreme weather events and long-term warming. It stated the conclusion of these efforts by the National Defense University was “over the next 20 to 30 years, vulnerable regions, particularly sub-Saharan Africa, the Middle East and South and Southeast Asia, will face the prospect of food shortages, water crises and catastrophic flooding driven by climate change that could demand an American humanitarian relief or military response.”
At that time, the Times also cited polar ice caps melting as a problem for the military given that it would “[open] a shipping channel that must be defended and undersea resources that are already the focus of international competition.”
Groups such as Climate Depot — project of the conservative organization Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow – in response to this information at the time had pointed out information in these studies was based on “unproven computer models which even the United Nations IPCC admits are not ‘predictions.’“ It wrote taking the ”national security“ angle preyed on ”doomsday scenarios.” The organization considers the real threat to the national security of the U.S. not global warming but the solutions to global warming that some propose.
The Heartlander, a product of the free-market think-tank The Heartland Institute, more recently shared this sentiment citing a study that found “global warming is unlikely to damage U.S. national security, but expensive programs implemented to reduce greenhouse gas emissions will weaken the nation’s economy and military”:
William O’Keefe, CEO of the Marshall Institute, writes in the study, “Economic security is the foundation for maintaining the U.S.’s ability to preserve its national interests and therefore actions that damage economic well being also weaken national security.
“Among the factors that inject stability into the international system is economic prosperity,” O’Keefe explains. “There is an abundance of evidence relating to economic freedom and economic growth.”
Even if global warming fears come to pass, “The impacts of weather events or climate change in the developing world are not caused by developed world carbon emissions. They are caused primarily by extreme poverty which is the result of exploitation by dictators, and the lack of economic and personal freedom, the rule of law, property rights, and access to commercial energy. Solving the problem of poverty in these countries would provide them the capacity and resilience to deal with whatever climate exists in the future,” the study states.
Heartlander includes Australian science and economics writer Joanne Nova saying “nations foolish enough to waste resources developing alternative energy sources and carbon markets will be more vulnerable to attacks.”
Let us know in the comments what you think of the relationship between national security and global climate change.
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MCDAVE
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 8:37pmThe federal government is the biggest threat to national security …The Obama administration is the biggest threat to world security..A little global warming”’If there is such a thing, helps with the heating bills in the winter”
Report Post »marhee9
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 9:22pmFirst it was global cooling in the 1960′s, then it turned into global warming. And now it’s climate change, because that covers them whether it gets warmer or colder. How convenient is that? They can’t tell me within 5 degrees what the weather will be tomorrow, yet they can tell me withing a tenth of a degree what it will be in 100 years. The liberal mindset is truly amazing.
Report Post »http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVXFGTUNDjE
ashestoashes
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 9:22pmNational Security? You are joking..right? Why should we still be at war? Obama said that we could now be called the greatest Muslim country in the world..Right? The Muslim Brotherhood runs the country..No? So why all of the expense? Oh that’s right..all that transfer of our future tax dollars that’s going to Muslim countries..Didn’t we just give 192 million to Palestine.? and didn’t we just give a couple of drones to Iran? Oh and didn’t we just furnish the Hezbollah Drug Cartel with AK-47‘s and aren’t we now suing Arizona for trying to keep the illegals out? Gee..and we only spend 338.3 billion on welfare, education and healthcare for illegals..and really..haven’t we already taken out our secular leader friends in the ME and replaced them with Sharia Law ones..And aren’t the Muslims in strategic places in our government..Elena Kegan ..Obama appointed Supreme Court Justice. .and Clintons sent Al Franken who lost to republican senator in Minn. only to be bailed out by car trunk load votes so that he could go to the Arab countries to invite those 300-350 Arab Muslims to key places like the EPA..CIA..FBI..Dept of Education and Homeland Security who fights Arizona to let the Hezbollah Drug Cartel in..Oh..lets not forget that Ron Paul discovered a 16 trillion dollar open check to the banks and that we are another 15 trillion in debt..and Obama gave Sharia Compliant Banks 700 billion in TARP which supports organizations funding terrorism..So we’re good right?
Report Post »ProbIemSoIver
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 9:49pmI have told you all for about a year that the United Nations Owns our Country.
Here is how it happened.
1871 the U.S.A. became a corporation.
In 1913, got a loan from a private bank.
In 1933, defaulted and surrendered ALL assets to the bank, including you.
In 1936, everyone of their livestock had a number (Social Security).
In 1937 built a place to store all the gold that it seized as collateral for the Bankruptcy. (Fort Knox)
In 1944 the Federal Reserve Private Bank Transfered the lien on Our Country to the IMF and World Bank. Just like the left arm passing it off to the Right arm.
In 1945 the IMF and W.B. created the United Nations.
The UN has managed as trustee, the United States Corporation since then.
They have been patiently and meticulously destroying us since then. Slow tyranny.
The Owners of the UN want a green planet, and could care less about livestock anymore.
They now have Most of the Worlds money and the technology to control the people.
They Print up as much as they want. They have won the Real monopoly game.
In 1992 the IMF told their minion Bush Sr. to start foreclosure.
America was for sale. Now it has all been sold.
Problem for the Global Owners – Squatters that cling to their bibles and guns that think that it is “Their land”.
Panetta confirms that the UN calls the shots:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSzZAOQnYFI
I have links to substantiate everything I said. try me.
Report Post »TheCoffinMaker
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 10:02pmPanetta is second only to McCain in the freak department.
These are certified nutcakes running our government.
China is our biggest threat.
Illegal Mexican aliens are our next biggest threat.
…and the runaway spending is destroying our future.
Report Post »ProbIemSoIver
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 10:30pmThis is what the FEMA Re-Education camps will be for. Being Educated on the New World Order and forgetting about all that freedom and constitution nonsense.
Change is Hard. People will die resisting the NWO, but it has to be.
I will be one of those people that die. I don’t plan on that. I hope we prevail over the NWO, but too many people are asleep and have blinders on, and more than likely, we are screwed.
Agenda 21 is the New Map of America for the New World Order.
They want a North American Union exactly like the European Union.
The Global Elite Banksters and British Royalty own most of the Planet.
They are actually working on getting the rights to own our surrounding planets.
(Hmm, since I have been studying law, makes me start to think. Lay your claims now, people. lol)
I will use this forum to do such a thing.
Follow suit, people. lol.
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MCDAVE
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 10:49pm@ problemsolver I do read your posts and visit the links..If i am in Florida I’ll look you up…you will be the guy wearing the gas mask…..you know..contrails
Report Post »FstEti
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 1:58amHere‘s a thought’ why don’t we just attach a a very large windmill to the deck of our aircraft carriers to propel the ships? Better yet, to really harness the free green energy from the wind, perhaps installing several masts with large sheets of canvass. Oh, that’s been done before? The windmill or masts would interfere with jet takeoff?
Report Post »Never mind.
That said, I give Mr Panetta a pass on this nonsense as I’m fairly certain that he, or someone who works for him, are very likely the ones who gave the real order to kill bin Laden. I think old big ears gave a tentative grunt of approval that, had anything gone wrong, he could weasel out of by saying that he was in general approval of the operation but someone “misunderstood” that for an official order. Fearless Leader was actually on the golf course (as usual) when the operation was implemented. Does anyone really believe that he would have shown up for the war room photo op not wearing a suit? Really?
Way to go, Leon!
thelonious
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 7:20amRandom intelligence check on the Blaze.com comes up empty.
Humanoids capable of typing, recalling paranoia and mixing them with regurgitated Hannity rhetoric thrown with no shame on the public interweb between shameless ironic ads to buy rare metals. Phh. You let fear cloud your thoughts. We are the ostrich of the world, and we spawned the very monster we hide from. C O N SU Merism.
Report Post »johnjamison
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 7:44amWe have got to get all the politicians out of Washington and fill their seats WITH CITIZENS
Report Post »mattmo79
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 10:38amAgreed, the Federal Government along with HUGE debt and stupid progressive liberals are the biggest threat to national security. PERIOD!
Report Post »ProbIemSoIver
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 11:13am@McDave
lol. Thanks. I tried to respond to your post on the Gun ban story but it got lost.
Report Post »That was funny about air force one’s stench. Yes I will be one block OUTSIDE of the cities “zone”
But I am sure I will encounter a popo that is oblivious to that fact, and will operate on testoterone
and ego and garner me quite a few Federal Reserve Notes. If you read my links, you know all the peices of the puzzle fit.
ProbIemSoIver
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 11:27amYeah, McDave. Condensation Trails, lol.
We are all screwed. lol.
Report Post »MIBUGNU2
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 11:02amObama must plug in and program his “Band of Fools”
Report Post »every night……..This guy and holder are the worst..
I don’t think either one have had an original thought..
November can’t come soon enough !!!!
Constructionist
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 8:37pmThe only climate change that Panetta should worry about is the sudden temperature drop when he pulls his head out of *ss.
Report Post »oldironsides
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 9:56pmthat is funny! he should resign immediately
Report Post »MAMMY_NUNN
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 10:57pmShould tell ya what Pansy Panetta is made of any true soldier lives to hear the roar of power and the smell of Diesel and Jet fuel and the smell of gunpowder not the wimpy wirrr of some green energy contraption
Report Post »the louder the better it scares the hell out of them because they know were on the way sometimes just the noise will make them lay down arms and surrender.
MEANS2RESIST
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 12:48amI agree with COFFIN, panetta is a freakshow. A disgusting progressive UN/NWO a s skisser and it’s hard to believe this clown is our SOD. I lost any respect I may have had (not much) when he had the Marines disarm & stack weapons (in a combat zone nonetheless) outside when he spoke to them in afghanistan last month…I’ll call him Pukenetta from now on…thsi one needs to go along with his commie boss.
He’s jumping on the global warming bandwagon falsity in alliance with the UN nutjobs pusing this false science BS.
Report Post »momprayn
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 8:35pmSounds like another push by the globalist crowd – Panetta, with the rest of the regime – MUST GO
The Law of the Sea Treaty originated in the 1970s as part of the United Nations’ redistributionist agenda known as the “New International Economic Order.” The convention covers such issues as fishing and navigation, but the controversy arose mainly over seabed mining. In essence, the Law of the Sea Treaty was designed to transfer wealth and technology from the industrialized states to the Third World.
Two decades ago, President Ronald Reagan ignored criticism of American unilateralism and refused to sign the treaty.
Law of the Sea Treaty proponents talk grandly of the need to “restore U.S. leadership,” but real leadership can mean saying no as well as yes. Ronald Reagan was right to torpedo the Law of the Sea Treaty two decades ago. Creating a new oceans bureaucracy is no more attractive today.
http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/sink-law-sea-treaty
Report Post »The Gooch
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 8:34pmThank you, Chicken Little. Did you come up with this routine while assisting with the emperor’s new clothes?
Report Post »E.Z. Las Vegas
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 8:32pmFrom the April 17 New York Times:
Defense Secretary Leon E. Panetta said Monday that he was looking for less expensive alternatives to his travel most weekends from Washington to his walnut farm in Carmel Valley, Calif., which costs taxpayers close to $32,000 per trip.
Hey, Leon! I have a great idea about how the defense department can begin to lower its carbon footprint….
Report Post »MCDAVE
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 8:49pmLiberals only mean you not themselves …Just ask Al Gore, Mr Green Himself …the biggest hypocrite of them all…Time to throw this Green Bullsh*t out before they bankrupt everyone..it is,and has been a huge lie to destroy us..
Report Post »starman70
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 10:08pmThe Defense Department uses more fuel than most or the rest of the government combined. The elitists who run the military don’t care how much it costs the taxpayers. Nancy Pelosi jetting back and forth to California every weekend, Panetta and his travels home and the song goes on and on.
It’s not just the Democrats who are guilty. Washington has had the YOU OWE ME attiitude for years and I don’t see it getting any better any time soon.
Report Post »RJJinGadsden
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 8:24pmWe should have seen this coming when Panetta took his position. I swear, the next president will have to have that office seriously blessed if not have an actual exorcism conducted before putting a new Secretary Of Defense in there.
Report Post »FromSeaToSea
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 8:21pmRon Paul And George Washington Agree…..
“Observe good faith and justice towards all Nations. Cultivate peach and harmony with all.” George Washington
Vote for peace. Ron Paul Vote for war possibly WW III – Romney and Obama
“I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.” Albert Einstein
“Warmaking doesn’t stop warmaking. If it did, our problems would have stopped millennia ago.” Colman McCarthy
Report Post »barber2
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 9:50pmA campaign message from the Ron Paul crowd….
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 10:51amRon Bin Paul: NeoLibs in motion
Report Post »John the Doe
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 8:21pmTime for this clown to turn in his pink panties.
Report Post »jhaydeng
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 9:25pmWhat a nut job, right!
Report Post »barber2
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 8:18pmHey, Leon: open borders are a much bigger danger to our national security than climate change . Funny that you Van Jones ( Communist ) Green Energy / Payback Your “ Investors ” Democrats can’t figure that out. Guess you don’t have any Close Our Border “ Investors” you need to please for their “donations.” Strange ? No. Typical.
Report Post »Smokey_Bojangles
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 8:16pmWe must protect the country against an angry green god and offer it monetary sacrifices and abolish the 1st amendments stance against the Government Sponsoring a Religion! The $79 billion that w spend on the green god’s religion is not enough! The green god demands more! Kill Your babies and eat Tofu!
Report Post »wvernon1981
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 8:53pmGiven that coal pollution alone costs the country between 200 and 500 billion each year in externalized costs, then the 79 billion spent is not as expensive as you think.
“Full Cost Accounting for the Lifecycle of Coal”
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1749-6632.2010.05890.x/full
Report Post »OlefromMN
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 8:16pmIt appears that the globull screaming crowd is on a new push. I was suffering through a bit of NPR today just in time to hear Kerry Miller (in her man voice) state that she will not even waste time with anybody that disagrees with her on “global warming”. She use the tired old phrase that 99.9% (Rush only claims to be right 97.6% of the time) of ALL scientist agree that man made globull warning is factual.
Let them rant. Most sane people know the truth. Why in the heck is Panetta speaking to an eviro group anyways? Defense is the ability to blow things up, not meteorology.
Report Post »barber2
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 9:48pmMaybe Van Jones was too busy so Leon filled in for him?
Report Post »VoteRightDammit
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 8:12pmThis man is
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Wpower
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 8:08pmWhen the left smells tax on the middle class, the class that most certainly makes this country strong, it never let’s go does it? These America hating liberals have to go and the so called free press must be made to speak for all and not just a few or this country is gone but only after a terrible Civil war, I hope that I am wrong about the latter.
Report Post »BeingThere
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 8:06pmWe must get these TRAITORS out of the government!!!!!!!
Report Post »FromSeaToSea
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 8:06pmBring the boys and girls home in seats and not body bags. Stop the wars for resources. Stop the WW III warmongering and buildup. This is enviromentally friendly.
“I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.” Albert Einstein
“In peace the sons bury their fathers, but in war the fathers bury the sons.” Colman McCarthy
“We Americans have no commission from God to police the world.” President Benjamin Harrison
Report Post »VoteRightDammit
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 8:14pmPresident Harrison used the “G” word ???????????????????????????????????????
SUE THAT BARSTURD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Report Post »Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 8:05pmAHHHHHHHH, global warming…now climate change. Does everyone see through this crap. We have climate change 4 times a year. I will believe humans cause climate change when the scientist can explain both ice ages and what caused those. And how the earth “Warmed Up” to get out of the Ice Age. It must have been those pesky Geico Cavemen.
Report Post »GeorgieJo
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 8:22pmDID AL GORE invade PANETTA’S brain????
OMG 2012
Report Post »mauijonny
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 3:53amYes, D&J@T: The ol’ Global Warming Trick (as he answers his shoe phone in a phone booth). Anyways, for all of you who may have missed this: here’s a link to the Paleomap site that shows global climate change throughout deep history (for those of you who don’t like science, just disregard). It got an award from Scientific American – Don’t poo poo so soon – it’s on the side of us who know that this man-made global warming thing is a crock & a scam: http://www.scotese.com/climate.htm
Report Post »NOBALONEY
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 8:05pmNuclear bombs could wreck havoc on the climate, but the Obama puppet must not vere away from script or agenda.
Report Post »barber2
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 8:26pmI think the Pope needs to visit all of these clueless Catholic Democrats. A homily on Thou Shalt Not Lie is in order. To be followed by a talk on the sins involved in ” giving bad example ! “ And followed by a review of the word ” excommunication.”
Report Post »barber2
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 8:32pmEven Putin has figured out how clueless our Green Obama Administration is ! Remember the bomb shelters from the 50′s ? Maybe the Greenies will pursue those next !
Report Post »starboard
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 8:01pmEvery angle available will be used…..
Report Post »DIR
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 7:59pmDefense Secretary: ‘Climate Change Has a Dramatic Impact on National Security’ Yea, and so does the after effect of eating a platter Rachel Ray’s, secret receipy, deviled huevos ranchos (sun ripened for maximum effect)! There’s no secret what the little devils do to you after you eat them.
Report Post »randy
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 8:09pm“The area of climate change has a dramatic impact on national security,”
I call BULLSHlT!!!!
Report Post »Smokey_Bojangles
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 8:18pmToday’s Weather,Cloudy with a huge chance of BULLSHlT?
Report Post »kspatriot
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 7:59pmThese IDIOTS are still pushing the HOAX of “Global Warming/Climate Change”. UNBELIEVABLE! The HOAX has long been proven as a leftwing AGENDA to grab more control and power. STOP IT ALREADY!!!
Everyone in America needs to watch this movie, ‘Agenda: Grinding America Down’. This is a short clip. Please find the full movie and watch it, and then share it with your friends. http://youtu.be/GKnyAiNJ4lo
Report Post »woodcellar
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 7:58pmNot producing our own oil is a far biggger risk. Climate is horse puckies.
Report Post »Obama Nation
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 7:57pmAlex Jones: Pentagon prepares re-education camps for political activists
http://www.infowars.com/alex-jones-pentagon-prepares-re-education-camps-for-political-activists/
Report Post »FromSeaToSea
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 8:15pm2OO million guns and a minority of patriots say this is not going to be allowed in America. The military swares an oath to the Constitution not whoever is elected. Many of the military will either stand down or take the patriots side. The same with the police.
Report Post »MCDAVE
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 9:15pmThe Rumors are true..And we may all be on their list….I’m buying more Ammo..we all need to organize in defense …we cannot beat this threat as individuals…Need a patriots militia of millions of freedom loving Americans ..Time is running short for us..don’t wait until we are meeting at their Re-education camps…We the people run this country…not the communists
Report Post »kaydeebeau
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 7:56pmSo the rules of engagement currently in practice in Afghanistan are no problem? The fact that 2/3 of all troop casualties in Afghanistan have happened in the last 3 years is no big deal yet somehow we are supposed to believe that we humans control weather? And the weather is a bigger threat the islamists or the taliban or Iran?
I would think if we humans had such an impact on weather, we could at least get a good and accurate weather forecast
Report Post »apojoe69
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 9:20pmI can predict the weather……….from day to day the climate will change. That is as good as the daily forcast.
Report Post »PapaJohannesPatriot
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 7:55pmLeon should be sharing a cell with Al Gore. Another traitor to the American people.
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 7:53pmAnd… he represents the Military… that fought from Africa to the Ardennes in WWII… in the holes of Viet Nam & Afghanistan? The People… make Armies… Good or Bad!
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