Dem Gov. Says Romney’s Polygamous Roots Are Politically Problematic (What About Obama’s?)
- Posted on April 20, 2012 at 1:21pm by
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Montana Gov. Brian Schweitzer
Montana Gov. Brian Schweitzer, a Democrat, has a theory regarding some potential electoral troubles he believes Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney may encounter. On Thursday, in an interview with The Daily Beast, he said that Romney may face resistance nationally because his father was “born on a polygamy commune in Mexico.”
“I am not alleging by any stretch that Romney is a polygamist and approves of [the] polygamy lifestyle, but his father was born into [a] polygamy commune in Mexico,” Schweitzer is also quoted as saying in the interview.
As The Gateway Pundit noted, though, as have other outlets that President Barack Obama, too, has a polygamist family history. In an op-ed for The Washington Post, associate editor David Maraniss wrote the following about both Obama‘s and Romney’s attachment, albiet indirect, to plural marriage:
The line of polygamists in Obama’s family can be traced back generations in western Kenya, where it was an accepted practice within the Luo (pronounced LOO-oh) tribe. His great-grandfather, Obama Opiyo, had five wives, including two who were sisters. His grandfather, Hussein Onyango, had at least four wives, one of whom, Akumu, gave birth to the president’s father, Barack Obama, before fleeing her abusive husband. Obama Sr. was already married when he left Kenya to study at the University of Hawaii, where he married again. His American wife-to-be, Stanley Ann Dunham, was not yet 18 and unaware of his marital situation when she became pregnant with his namesake son in 1961.
The line of polygamists in the Romney family traces back generations, when it was an accepted practice in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. His paternal great-grandfathers, Miles Park Romney and Helaman Pratt, were born in the United States but lived for decades in Mexico. Pratt was a Mormon missionary there; Miles Park Romney left Utah for Mexico with a tribe of polygamous Mormons after the Mormon church broke with the practice of polygamy in 1890.
So, by Schweitzer’s own standard, Obama, too, would encounter problems on the national stage as a result of his family’s practice of polygamy. Gateway Pundit makes this point about the alleged double-standard that has caused Romney to gain more scrutiny on the issue than Obama, despite minimal differences between their family’s stories:
It is also well known that Democrat Senator from New Mexico, Tom Udall, and his cousin, Senator Mark Udall (D) from Colorado, come from a long line of polygamists. But that was never an issue because they are Democrats. Mens Journal reported:
In the Udall family, politics stretches back generations. Mark’s and Tom’s great-grandfather, David King Udall, was a pioneer Arizonan and a Mormon polygamist who was sent to federal prison (on testimony of an ancestor of Mitt Romney’s, family lore has it). He was pardoned by President Grover Cleveland, then tossed back in jail. This time, it was Barry Goldwater’s grandfather who got him off the hook.
It’s only ever an issue if the politician is Republican.
Of course, many will wonder why this issue matters at all. Neither candidate stands in favor of polygamy and there is no evidence whatsoever or direct correlations. Still, the premise of a double-standard is intriguing, especially considering that Schweitzer seemed unaware that his party’s candidate has the same “issue” in his own background.
(H/T: Gateway Pundit)
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Ralphbp
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 2:11pmThis governor is just another ant-Mormon bigot. Glenn pointed out that Harry Reid is a Mormon too and yet nobody on the left says a word about that. We all know the reason that is the case.
Report Post »Knowing something about the faith of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, I have to wonder how Mr. Reid is considered a strong member of the church. Just thinking….
PurrrpleMtnMajesty
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 2:22pmYup..
Report Post »No mention for years about Harry Reid or Obama’s ancestry of multiple wives.
And no outcry over Kerry’s extensive wealth (7 HOMES), but Mitt who donates more
than any of them, is considered a horrible “out of touch” person.
louie louie
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 2:35pmI don’t know that Reid is considered a “strong” member of the church. I certainly don’t. But the church does not have thought police. They go by one’s behavior. So if you have clear evidence that Reid has committed adultery, has had an abortion or financed an abortion, or has committed a serious crime, it can be submitted to his church leaders. They can evaluate the evidence and decide if it rises to the level of excommunication or disfellowship. With only a few exceptions, political speech does not rise to that level. So as long as Reid doesn’t actually practice what he preaches (something Democrats are good at), he can remain in good fellowship with the church. But that doesn’t mean he is a “strong” member.
Report Post »Better Dead Than Red
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 2:56pmWhy is this even an issue? Are we automatically condemned by what our parents believed at one point in time? Should we look at every public figure’s family history from now on and decide on that if they are fit for office??
Even if his grandfather had 200 wives, it does not affect Romney’s character. Judge Romney by Romney’s actions, not his ancestors’.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 3:06pmRalphbp
“This governor is just another ant-Mormon bigot.”
I think it was as simple as the Democrat National Committee (DNC) or Obama’s campaign manager, Axelrod, went to the Democrat governor & told him “We got to dirty up Romney. Here you walk this dog.”
If Axelrod had done this there would be louder howls of outrage. As it is Obama has plausible deniability.
This was a political operation & they were hoping to suppress the Republican base. Like the Democrats we have some tribal voters and/or low information voters. I would posit that the Democrats have more, but that is a discussion for another time.
Report Post »13th Imam
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 3:15pmLoui Louie
Report Post »Does Harry’s theft of American Taxpayers dollars constitute a serious crime?
Detroit paperboy
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 3:19pmAt least he didn’t eat the neighbors DOG…. Like our HIV + thief in chief……
Report Post »Mutiny
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 3:25pmThe difference is that Obama family grandfather having many wives is different because of religion. The Mormon founders said that the only way to Heaven is through polygamy. Polygamy was a very large part of the Mormon faith until they changed their minds and decided Utah wanted to be a state.
Look, I get this race should be fair, but its not going to be. If none of the Black Liberation Theology stuck to Obama the first time, nothing will stick. The media is on his side and they are going to come at the Mormon faith with guns a blaze.
I personally have a very close friend who is a Mormon but as a Christian I fear for his salvation from what I know of the Mormon faith from him and other sources.
Report Post »karmon7
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 3:59pmMaybe the polygamy aspect of Obama’s father is the reason his half brother still lives in a hut in Kenya and his aunt lives on welfare in New Jersey. Did you know that he had an Indonesian half sister who suddenly died 2 years ago in Indonesia, and another sister who lives in Hawaii? Are they all of the same mothers? The LSM sure keeps us informed of all these siblings.
Report Post »Doctor Nordo
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 4:37pm@mutiny
If, as a Christian, you believe that salvation is a gift through grace and faith in Christ as the savior of the world, then you shouldn’t fear for the soul of any faithful Mormon, as faith in Him is central to everything they are.
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 4:46pm@Ralph
polygamy is part of mormon history, no? Then he is not a bigot for mentioning it. Unless you are going to prove that mitt’s dad was not born in polygamy, i dont know why it would be bigotry….
It’s politics and nothing more. dont get all offended by stuff like this, we all told you it was coming
Report Post »MacPharlan
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 5:02pm@Mutiny,
Wish you would have told me that earlier, I need to go get another wife now! Of course i’ll have to convince my wife to go for it, oh and I should file off my horns first and pay the priest in the temple off so they don’t get first dibs…
Man, so many things I just don’t know until I read from all the informed folks on here, thanx again.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 6:36pmYou must be kidding…Harvard is on record expressing doubt about just how many wives Barack Obama Sr had before they threw him out of Harvard. PLEASE DNC…run with that one.
Report Post »Enjoy..
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/04/harvard_and_state_department_g.html
P8riot
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 7:31pmI must say, I’m actually pleasantly surprised at how few anti-mormon comments are showing up today.
Maybe we’re finally starting to understand that the left obviously plans to use the “Mormon Issue” to divide us from within. The left thinks all Christians are crazy, so the mormon issue won’t move them one way or another. However, its the evangelical right that seems to have the biggest problem with this issue. Kind of hard to dispute this.
DON’T LET THEM DIVIDE US!!! We must get this great country back on track!!!
Report Post »Mutiny
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 7:45pm@doc and mac
Brigham Young said you are damned if you deny polygamy.
“Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned,” (Journal of Discourses, vol. 3, p. 266). Also, “The only men who become Gods, even the Sons of God, are those who enter into polygamy,” (Journal of Discourses, vol. 11, p. 269).
“We formerly taught to our people that polygamy or celestial marriage as commanded by God through Joseph Smith was right; that it was a necessity to man’s highest exaltation in the life to come.” (Reed Smoot Case, vol. 1, page 18)
“Why do we believe in and practice polygamy? Because the Lord introduced it to his servants in a revelation given to Joseph Smith, and the Lord’s servants have always practiced it. ‘And is that religion popular in heaven?’ it is the only popular religion there,…”
- Prophet Brigham Young, The Deseret News, August 6, 1862
I mean you can make fun of me or read the material your false “prophets” made.
As for receiving salvation gift from Christ. The problem is Mormons do not worship the Jesus Christ from the Bible. They worship a fake one created by Joseph Smith. Joseph Smith’s Jesus is the son of god who used to be a man, he is brothers with Satan, and the followers of that false Jesus are supposed to become gods and rule over their own planets one day. This is not the Jesus of the Bible.
If you are right, I go to a lower tier of Heaven. If I am right you
Report Post »INOGAWD
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 8:13pmI really gave the FINE PEOPLE of Montana credit of having
Report Post »more integrity….WOW !!!! unbelievable, What makes a man
stoop to these LOW standards.. ARIZONA is going to STAND
with ROMNEY….A True American !!!!! Semper Fi. OORAH !!
P8riot
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 8:20pm@MUTINY – These conversations are really turning into bible bashing more than educating. Seriously, you will say polygamy is bad, I’ll say it was practiced by biblical prophets, you’ll say Joseph Smith was a false prophet, I‘ll say he wasn’t and was visited by God and Christ personally, you‘ll say mormons don’t believe in a biblical jesus, I’ll say the same jesus who is spoken of in the bible literally directs our church today, you’ll say trinity, I’ll say Godhead, you’ll say cult, I’ll say faithful christians were called a cult, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. AHHHHHHHH!
Honestly, I think its time we agree to disagree. I’m not going to convert you to my religion, and you will not convert me to your religion.
THEREFORE, can you PLEASE stop telling us what WE believe and why you disagree – and simply state what YOU believe and why. I promise you, it will be received much better.
THE LEFT IS INTENTIONALLY TRYING TO DIVIDE US FROM WITHIN!
Report Post »P8riot
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 8:22pm@INOGAWD – Semper Fi Brother! I too live in AZ and will also stand by Romney! Anyone but Obama!
Report Post »INOGAWD
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 8:27pmGov. Schweitzer, is O’Blamer making YOU say these things ??
Report Post »This Administration has a lot of CLASS !! The MUD is starting
to fly.. and O’Blamer is going to discredit the whole Libo. Base….
mils
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 8:37pmit is not public knowledge…as the media chooses it not to be…the media …
Report Post »the people we have representing republicans in washington have gone awol…why are they not fighting back with words?…because they are also bought off?…afraid to step out it seems.
mitt is not a polygamist….so what does it matter?….the lds church does not condone polygamy..so what does it matter?…how can you speak of something you really are not part of?, and do notunderstand in the slightest?.. it’s like watching a movie and thinking you know how the camera works or was manufactured.
the whole thing is degrading to all religions in america. if america wants to stay a christian nation..and obama says we are not one…we had best close ranks around a conservative.
INOGAWD
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 8:48pmRomney’s father was “born on a polygamy commune in Mexico.”
Report Post »OK, What’s your point Gov.?? and Obama’s father was born where??
and Obama’s mother married a Kenyan that was already Married….
Did you and Axelrod really think this through before coming out with
this Bullshi** ?? because that’s what this is.. This Gov. is a looser !!
MONTANA, you guy’s CAN do better than this……GOOD GAWD !!!!
KeepOurFreedom
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 9:16pmOh boy here we go again, going after our religious beliefs, what a shock!! Did’nt we go through this a a month or so ago with the Catholic Church? Yes, Yes, more distractions, Obama has to stay away from issues. Unfortunately, it’s going to be hard for Governor Romney to stick with the issues and not stay away from these issues, it’s gonna get pretty confusing out there, we won’t be able to figure out who is telling the truth, since they have both been very truthful in the past with their ads…..God, please help us save this Nation!!
Report Post »woodyb
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 10:27pmI don‘t know if any of Romney’s ancestors practiced polygamy or not (and chances are that Governor Schwietzer doesn’t know either), but even if so, I never knew that polygamy was a genetic trait passed from generation to generation!!!!!!!!!!!!
Even if the polygamy charges are true, what effect does the actions of Romney’s grandparents have on his ability to serve as president? Absolutely none, but they need to stir the pot since Obama dares not try to run on his first-term record!!!!!!!!!!!!
Report Post »Female
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 11:27pmMormon bashing from the ever soooo “tolerant left” begins. First, liar; second, polygamy:……turn in tomorrow for the Mormon bash of the day from the minions of BO. I want them to stick with the issues our country is facing not all this drivel! I wish they would all get hives or better yet, good old Biblical boils.
Report Post »West Coast Patriot
Posted on April 21, 2012 at 12:30amLook, I and my family were baptized Mormon 18 years ago. I do not have a real problem with the church, it just was not for us. I do however, have a problem with electing another progressive, Republican or not, into the White House. Romney is backed by the exact same that backed and helped to give us Obama, therefore, the same elite that had faith in Obama with their agenda, now have faith that Romney will help them with their agenda, the status quo to continue with fiat money from a fractional monetary system that will end up crashing to the bottom leaving all of us in poverty like we have never seen before. The only candidate that has the plan to end this insanity and the only candidate that follows his oath to office is Ron Paul. Watch this video and then tell me he is not what we need right now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=AZJpU9WNGCk&feature=endscreen
If we do not stand up to false promises from progressive candidates and do something different, we will see sorrow within four to six years from now.
Report Post »Hollywood
Posted on April 21, 2012 at 9:03amSchweitzer is certainly not gifted with the brains of Albert Schweitzer. What a complete MORON. I hope Montanan’s get rid of this embarrassment, the next election cycle.
Report Post »Ran60
Posted on April 21, 2012 at 9:39amWhat I got out of this article is something I have known and said for years…
Obama, by definition, is a BASTARD!
Report Post »cgnick
Posted on April 21, 2012 at 3:19pmRomney is an anchor baby.
Report Post »jaylew
Posted on April 21, 2012 at 3:27pmI am not real big on Mormonism…in fact I think some of their more advanced ideologies are kind of whacked out….but I will take whatever Mitt Romney has in his gene pool ….over whatever Barack Obama has in his gene pool any day. One need not be entirely imaginative to picture Kenyans from not that long ago…with bones in their noses……hopping around nearly naked except for a few feathers or phallic shaped woven reeds….jumping from tree towers with ropes tied around the ankles (oh wait…they still do that) and that barely touches on the literal savagery that the Continent of Africa is world famous for.
Report Post »This is a stupid story….and deserves a whole bunch of stupid posts…so let me continue. Kenya is to Mormonism as Utah is to spear chucking.
Again….I am not a big fan of the some of the more odd tenets of Mormonism….but compared to anything with Kenyan roots….and a goofball hippy dazed white woman who flirted with anything or anyone that Islam or Communist after their name….I’ll take Mitt Romney any day.
Checkmate.
Hollywood
Posted on April 21, 2012 at 4:20pmMormonism goes off the rail right at the beginning, by BELIEVING, and ,the original lie of satan. Mormonism teaches it was a GOOD thing for Adam and EVE to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, as they teach, eating of this tree gave man/woman the knowledge to procreate.
Report Post »How one can believe disobeying GOD, as HE said they shouldn’t, for they will surely die, which meant Spiritual and eventually physical death, is beyond me. God said they could eat of ALL the other trees in the garden INCLUDING the TREE of LIFE. Surely THIS tree gave them the knowledge to procreate. In Genesis Ch 1 V 27/28 HE created man in HIS own image, blessed them, and gave HIS FIRST command given in Scripture. Be fruitful and multiply FILL the earth. Teaching that Christ and lucifer were SPRITUAL brothers in Heaven, befor creation is also a heresy. Christ IS part of the God head, and has ALWAYS existed. Scripture CLEARLY states that ALL of creation was done BY Jesus Christ as per Colossians Ch 1 V 14-17. This include lucifer,who was perfect originally until iniquity was found in him. His name was then changed to satan[the adversary of God], Angels,including lucifer, were given FREE CHOICE to do God’s will[ which was GOOD], but 1/3 chose to disobey. THEY have no way back to God. WE DO. Man too, being deceived by that old serpent,satan, was given free choice, and also disobeyed. Spritual and physical death were the result.
Christ is OUR way back to God. REPENT,and accept Christ as LORD/Savi
PATTY HENRY
Posted on April 21, 2012 at 4:43pmI don‘t think any thing TRUMPS Obama’s father being married when he married Obama’s mother, but better ‘n that…both were COMMUNISTS; Obama’s Grandparents were commies and belonged to Hawaiian Commie Church (?) and he was raised in a Muslim School (“57 States”) and his Mentor, Frank Davis was Communist; Supposedly Valarie Jarrett’s Parents are Communists and most of the Czars are either self-stated Communists and/or Believers in MAO’s teachings… BEWARE!!! Anything else put out there is to throw us off the TRUE fact that this mediocre student, raised by Communists, making average or below average grades; admitting to being a Pot Smoker, was thrust into Columbia/Harvard and whisked into the Presidency…BTW the first time Obama ran for office ? It was under the COMMUNISTS Party in AMERICA’S banner…all facts/all provable. BEWARE AMERICA…they destroyed our school system and our morals; have almost wiped out our churches and even tho they fell apart – those silly communists are alive and well in America. THEY THINK: Equality in income for everyone. A Chance for everyone. Well guess what: There IS a chance for everyone in USA. Most of the RICH TODAY were POOR YESTERDAY !!! Communism is NOT fairness for everyone…just those whom are favored… it’s total Class warfare. WAKE UP!!! IS Obama a Communist? His Mommy was, his daddy was, his grandma and pa were, his mentor was, his associates are, his czars brag about being…you figure it out!
Report Post »Leopold
Posted on April 21, 2012 at 4:57pmThese people on the left should be more careful in their attacks.
If they keep going this way it might get embarrassing for Obama.
Everything they come up with is multiplied in Obama.
Romney had dog on roof. Obama ate dog.
Romney rich maybe from father. Obama no silver spoon from father but from government which means you and me. Somehow he was entitled, why?.
Romney’s religion used to have polygamy quite some time ago.
Obama’s father was a polygamist until his death. Recently.
Romney GIVES to the poor. Obama TAKES from the rich.
Obama wants to see 12 years of income tax returns from Romney.
Should Obama not just be as transparent about his College and Universities records?
Or does transparency only apply to Romney?
Not enough is knows about Romney. Really? He is an open book.
Does anyone know anything about Obama’s past?
Romney should be careful and not have to many gaffs. Really?
Like Obama’s when he talks to Medvedev about military issues and Sarkozy about Netanyahu?
Or when he messed up the toasting of the Queen, or not getting the date right when signing the guest book?
Romney is catering to different groups. Really?
Like Obama bowing before the King of Saudi Arabia?
The list of Obama’s failures is endless.
Report Post »Grey Eagle
Posted on April 21, 2012 at 9:26pmObama better think twice about bringing this issue up for discussion.
Report Post »boyd9
Posted on April 22, 2012 at 8:49amI agree. This governor ought to be asked what the difference is between religious bigotry and racism. In reality there isn’t any, both feelings come from the same place in the mind and the heart.
Report Post »Darren
Posted on April 22, 2012 at 6:56pmMutiny;
“The Mormon founders said that the only way to Heaven is through polygamy.”
No, they didn’t. They did, however, say that the only way to heaven is through Jesus Christ.
“Polygamy was a very large part of the Mormon faith until they changed their minds and decided Utah wanted to be a state.”
No, it was a very big part ofthe LDS faith until God said it was to no longer be practiced. God then had to remind the LDS church that He has prohibited it. Becoming a state was secondary to banning polygamy and not directly related to statehood.
“I personally have a very close friend who is a Mormon but as a Christian I fear for his salvation from what I know of the Mormon faith from him and other sources.”
That’s because your knowledge ofthe Mormon faith is so miniscule. The problem is with you, not your friend.
Report Post »Darren
Posted on April 22, 2012 at 7:06pmMutiny;
“Brigham Young said you are damned if you deny polygamy.
“Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned,” (Journal of Discourses, vol. 3, p. 266). Also, “The only men who become Gods, even the Sons of God, are those who enter into polygamy,” (Journal of Discourses, vol. 11, p. 269).”
I rest my case. If you use Journal of Discourse (Reed Smoot case and Deseret News as well) to show what “Mormons believe” then you so obviously do not know what Mormons believe of even comprehend (despite being told this before) how Journal of Discourse is NOT LDS doctrine, nor have the ever been. Whatever Brigham young said as reported in JoD, discard it s what “Mormons belive” and file it exclusively under “What Brigham Young once said”. I understand your not learning anything new regarding Mormonism. Lots of anti-Mormon Evangelicals suffer the same lack of mental capacity.
“I mean you can make fun of me or read the material your false “prophets” made. ”
Nobody here is making fun of you but rather laughng at you for you’re beclowning yourself quit nicely all on your own with no help from anyone else.
“As for receiving salvation gift from Christ. The problem is Mormons do not worship the Jesus Christ from the Bible. They worship a fake one created by Joseph Smith.”
See, I‘m still laughing at you and I didn’t do a thing to justify that laughter.
(con’t)
Report Post »Darren
Posted on April 22, 2012 at 7:15pm(con’t);
“Joseph Smith’s Jesus is the son of god who used to be a man”
Josepoh Smith NEVER taught that Jesus used to be a man but the Only Begotten Son of God. Nor did Smith teach that the Father used to be a man, at least not by anything first hand. The only recod available today about Smith and the Father used to be a man is the King Follet Report and that reporttoday is from third party sources and edited and published after Joseph Smith died (by the hand of “true Christians”). Smith therefore never got to examine that report himself.
“he is brothers with Satan”
True but very misleading. Mormons reject the Holy Trinity, a concept of fourth century philosophy and declare that the Father created all, even Jesus and Satan. That makes them brothers but it was Jesus who from the beginning was “like God” and fulfilled all of the Father’s will from the beginning and thus becamse our Savior and the only way to the Father. Mormons thus worship the Father through the Son (that’s profoundly Christian) and Satan chose to rebel and fell from heaven. Therefore Mormons believe Jesus and Satan are on two different ends of the eternal existence.
“and the followers of that false Jesus are supposed to become gods and rule over their own planets one day’
That has NEVER been taught by the LDS church or its leaders in any official capacity whatsoever. thus it is NOT what “Mormons believe”. (con’t)
Report Post »Darren
Posted on April 22, 2012 at 7:17pm(con’t);
You’ve been told all this before now this time please go farward and actually learn about what “Mormons belive.” In fact, set a standard of learning among your anti-Mormon Evangelical peers. In the long run, they’ll may be thankful for your example. At least God sure would.
Report Post »Darren
Posted on April 22, 2012 at 7:30pmHollywood;
“Mormonism teaches it was a GOOD thing for Adam and EVE to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, as they teach, eating of this tree gave man/woman the knowledge to procreate.
How one can believe disobeying GOD, as HE said they shouldn’t, for they will surely die, which meant Spiritual and eventually physical death, is beyond me. ”
That’s actually a much better pioint of criticism than anything Mutin has EVER offered.
The LDS does not view as Adam aving “sinned” against God but rather “transgressed”. Yes he broke a law God set forth and thus suffered the consequence of death. The sdifference between sinnnig and transgressing is I think in part to openly rebel against God. Adam did not openly rebel against God but he did make a choice with consequence. Likewise, if you lift both of your legsi nthe air you’ll fall. That‘s not a sin but if you did so you’d transgress the law of gravity and not remain standing had you legs remained firmly planted on the ground.
Eating of the fruit did bring death and part of that death, physical death, would be passed on to all of Adam and Eve’s descendents. sin would be done by individual choice which all of Adam’s descendents, save Jesus chose to do. Thus a Savior would be necessary for redemption of both spiritual and physical death. That Savior was Jesus Christ, God’s Only Begotten Son in the flesh.
(con’t)
Report Post »Darren
Posted on April 22, 2012 at 7:47pm(con’t);
” 25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.” (Genesis 2)
This isan indication of childlike inocense including Adam and Eve’s (lack of) capacity to procreate. Their eyes “were [not yet] opened.”
“14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.” (1 Timothy 2) Here is a declaration that eve transgressed, not “sinned”. The LDS believe that at this point Adam realized that he should follow Eve lest they never procreate and remain alone one from another.
“Christ IS part of the God head, and has ALWAYS existed. Scripture CLEARLY states that ALL of creation was done BY Jesus Christ as per Colossians Ch 1 V 14-17.”
Pretty much what the LDS believe. Christ was the first created and from there all other things, including spirit, were created.
Everything else you preached is also pretty much what LDS believe.
Report Post »MemphisViking
Posted on April 26, 2012 at 4:54pm@ Darren – “Yes he broke a law God set forth” Sin, by definition.
“Likewise, if you lift both of your legsi nthe air you’ll fall. That‘s not a sin…”
It’s not a sin because God never told us not to lift both of our legs in the air.
” ” 25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.” (Genesis 2)
This isan indication of childlike inocense including Adam and Eve’s (lack of) capacity to procreate.” Explain how they could have obeyed God’s first command to be fruitful and multiply if they lacked the capacity to procreate.
Genesis 1:1 “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth”
John 1:1 “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”
In the beginning, God was already there, and Jesus was already there, and Jesus was God.
Report Post »barber2
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 2:07pmSounds like it‘s high time to drag out some skeleton’s from Barry Soetoro’s closet . If the Left wants to fight dirty, there are plenty of unmentioned bits of dirt in that spot ! AND, we have had enough time, no thanks to his Lap Dog Media, to explore that “twilight zone.”
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 5:02pmwhy not!
Report Post »its not like mitt was going to talk about cutting government spending, reigning in the fed, getting rid of too big to fail, or getting rid of our progressive tax system anyways
barber2
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 5:07pmSOY: what, exactly, is your point ?
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 5:08pmi’ll spell it out for you….
because mitt romney does not offer serious change, we might as well tallk about things that dont matter. its all a game anyways, right?
Report Post »kaydeebeau
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 6:41pmHere’s the deal as I see it. Romney is not Obama. He is not like Obama. Romney is not now, nor has he ever been, a communist.
Even if I bought into the notion that Romney is / was similar to Obama, at least a Romney President will slow things down for us to catch up – will give us more time to work within our State Governments and Congress to turn the tide.
Ron Paul will win the nomination. Ron Paul will not be on the ballot.
It looks to be Romney and Obama. We have a chance with Romney, we are doomed with Obama.
So what do you think the reasonable choice is? – Romney or Obama? Really, this is a hard choice?
Report Post »kaydeebeau
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 6:58pmoops – should read Ron Paul will NOT win the nomination (got carried away with my editing)
Report Post »kindling
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 8:11pmLets start with the fact it is illegal for his name to be on even ONE ballot in The United States of America because he does not qualify to be president or even Senator as he was. He has been a fraud for most of his life and if truth be known should be deported!
Report Post »West Coast Patriot
Posted on April 21, 2012 at 12:35amKaydee, I think you speak too soon. http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/reawakening-liberty/2012/apr/15/colorado-further-evidence-ron-paul-will-challenge-/
http://www.examiner.com/article/ron-paul-wins-minnesota-colorado-delegates-to-republican-national-convention
Report Post »kaydeebeau
Posted on April 21, 2012 at 1:38am@ West…sorry but much as I would rather it were diifernet the numbers (as in delegates) don’t lie.
Ron Paul has no chance to amake it on the ballot – unless the committed delegates go against the candidate they are sworn to represent.
Are you somehow saying that the delegates will toss aside their honor and integrity to support Ron Paul?
Are you saying that in so doing, that is a Ron Paul tactic? Are you saying that tossing honor and integrity is somehow ok with Ron Paul? If so, I’ll pass on Ron Paul and his supposed integrity
Report Post »b.mclane
Posted on April 21, 2012 at 11:44pmSoyBOMB315: Where have you been? ALL ROMNEY TALKS ABOUT IS cutting down the size of the FED GOVT, Cut, Cap and Balance and TAX REFORM. Stop posting every other comment and go listen to the speech he just gave Friday , 4/20/2012 at the Republican Conference.
Report Post »hangthebastids
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 2:05pmThe Sea Change: Obama’s Confirmed Forgeries Are Not Going Away
By Monte Kuligowski @ American Thinker
For several years, an Orwellian-type fear of being “marginalized” held reporters and pundits back from questioning Barack Obama’s eligibility to hold the office of the presidency. To raise an eyebrow at the bizarre secrecy of Obama was off-limits. To question whether the historic definition of “natural born citizen” applied to Obama was
Like it or not, the ground has shifted, and it cannot shift back. The evidence of Obama’s forgeries is not going away.
Up until this point, Mr. Obama controlled everything, including the talking points and burden of proof.
Rather than simply produce certified paper copies for state election officials and make the original available for officials to inspect in Hawaii, Obama played games with his purported birth certificate. We were told for three years that Obama’s birth certificate had been posted online in 2008 — though it turns out that it was a scant certification. In 2010, when confronted with the alarming doubts of the American people, Mr. Obama lamented to a sympathetic Brian Williams of NBC: “I can’t spend all my time with my birth certificate plastered on my forehead.” …
Report Post »http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2012/04/atty-monte-kuligowski-selective-service.html
cemerius
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 2:02pmSince the Dems CAN NOT stand by the facts they will continue to character assasinate!
First it was his wife now they are attacking his father!!! Could you IMAGINE if Obama was a Republican how the lunatics of the left would have attacked him? They do pretty well on innuendo with Romney IMAGINE what the FACTS against Obama would have done for them???
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 4:48pmdidnt republicans attack obama’s father??? they made a big deal about him being MIA, kenyan and whatnot. and republicans have been attacking michelle for her snoody comments for years.
so why be hypocritical about it?
Report Post »barber2
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 5:05pmSOY: Republicans criticized Michele for her comment that when Obama was elected ” she was proud of her country for the first time .” I also have a photo of her at a rally in 2008 with her clenched fist in the air and a scowl on her that would frighten an enraged lion. She has exhibited a strong anti-American streak which , like her husband’s , was largely over-looked by the media. We are seeing that attitude expressed by the policies of this administration.
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 5:11pmoh the horror – i cant believe they attacked a candidate’s wife….
republicans cannot have it both ways so i suggest they suck it up. it was obviously in response to Cemerius’ second sentance
Report Post »Free2speakRN
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 7:27pmsoybomb315
I suggest you take a course in Logic. You emote.
Report Post »jaylew
Posted on April 21, 2012 at 3:54pmAside from infants who puke when fed real milk…..who drinks “Soy” anything??…much less who here would “drink” anything spewed by anyone with Soy in their screen name OR Soy in their entire way of thinking? There are times when a poster’s name actually says all one needs to know.
Report Post »Soy is the modern day equivalent of something trying to be something other than what it really is….Soy is a “filler”…..a substance that by itself is so unpalatable that all it is destined for in the annals of history is to faking out the consumer under the guise of health and welfare. Only ruminants that have herding tendencies find Soy filling. Fortunately aside from the Liberal slash Democrat herd……most upright humans shy away from Soy anything….except of course the infants that puke when given the real thing.
cleansweeplibs
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 1:57pmIt just goes to show that any idiot can get elected to be Governor in Montana! Ha what a really stupid comment. Let’s throw all the mud against the wall against Romney and see what sticks. Hey idiot governor, let’s do open the religious debate. Obama has the Rev. Wright for 20 years!! Opppps nothing there just a pretcher spewing hate against the most blessed country in the world with the Obama’s sitting in the front row. Bring it on and let’s do vet Rev. Wright..
Report Post »cemerius
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 2:04pmMontana used to have real men in the state. Now? I can not even describe what they call them now!!
Report Post »slr4528
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 2:33pmCEMIERUS
Yes,I agree. The liberals have feminized Montana men.
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 3:08pm@SLR…
Report Post »They call it… MetroSexual… on “2 & 1/2 Men”!
soybomb315
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 4:50pmi have yet to see anyone disprove his point. was mitt’s dad born in a polygamy situation or not?
either disprove him or say he shouldnt be talking about it…but dont act like he is making stuff up
Report Post »kaydeebeau
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 7:03pm@ Soy…no one is disputing the fact that Romeny ancestors practised polygamy. Reading comprehension isn’t one of your strong suits, huh?
I bet you think 2+2 doesn’t really = 4 either (I say that since putting 2 and 2 together doesn’t seem to be a talent for you either)
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 7:42pm@kay
so you acknowledge that schweitzer is correct about the polygamy. so why does everyone pretend he is a monster for saying what he said??? the posts on here show that most people (and apparently you) are incappable of rational thought and logic.
my theory is that most people on here are still in mormon/moderate denial
Report Post »kaydeebeau
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 8:34pm@ Soy… and polygamy is still supported and condoned by the LDS? That would be no so what is the point? We had slavery wrong that it is and we moved past that (unless you are a Democrat and then that is still questionable as to whether you think it is wrong)
What is your point?
I believe that there is but “one flock and one shepherd” (John 10:16). All of the doctrinal differences beyond Jesus is the Redeemer, the lamb slain for the remission of sin, the way the truth and the life, is inconsequential – we can fight it out in Heaven – if it ever crosses our mind once there, to ask.
God did not advocate polygamy. God made it very clear in Genesis that one man, one woman. Those described in the Bible were violating (in rebellion to) God’s plan (another reason to believe the validity of the Bible – for why would you write about your dirty laundry otherwise)
For a better description of what I mean read this – and until you read all of it – I do not want to “hear” from you – http://www.maxlucado.com/articles/topical/life_aboard_the_fellow-ship
Report Post »kaydeebeau
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 8:42pm@ Soy …and one more obvious thing, if polygamy of one’s ancestors is a problem for Romney (it is not ) then it should be a problem for Obama – and f that were the only problem with Obama it might somehow matter to anyone still breathing. Since the problems with Obama are many, polygamy of ancestors is a non-issue – Did you really miss that point?
Report Post »jaylew
Posted on April 21, 2012 at 4:05pmI am posting this without fact checking so if I am wrong I will freely retract the following:
Report Post »But isn’t Montana a state with a lone singular Congressional district? So if true….could we infer that although a large, lovely and absolutely geographically beautiful area…..who here cares what a place that is so sparse in humanity that it is currently zoned “1 Seat”? That for us libertarians might be a blessing….but it also allows for the games of chance called elections…to be won by idiots…and then the idiots have no tempering voices from the other side. Montana is to politics as Cuba is to being relevant about anything. Being a rural state makes for great places to live….but politically it also allows large hunks of Velveeta Cheese with legs to prevail in all thing electable. You could spend a year one weekend in Montana. That time warp is fine for some folks…..but I need more than that…a clear pitch dark sky filled with millions of stars can only satisfy a person for so long.
slr4528
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 1:56pmThe fact that bothers and really should bother women voter‘s who believe in building strong families in a monogamous environment is the fact that Obama’s father was a drunk who committed bigamy and hand affairs with multiple partners and literally abandoned his family and Obama praises his father in a book called Dreams from my father. Doesn’t anyone find this odd?????
Why didn’t Obama write a book about his mother and her family that raised Obama. Why didn’t Obama give her the same respect he gave his father? Is it because women are just 3rd class citizens?
Report Post »barber2
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 2:21pmYes. And Obama’s daddy was also troubled Marxist who hated whites and European ” colonialism.” He was aided by wealthy whites to get his education, and, naturally, hated them ! Think that Daddy’s “dreams” are the nightmares that Obama is inflicting on America today.
Report Post »spirited
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 2:24pm“My grandmother was a typical white woman”-Barack Obama
Perhaps he figured that most people who bought his book
wouldn’t have found that interesting;
6^>as they would be reading about themselves.
Report Post »le misanthrope
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 7:02pmHe took up his “father’s” dream (anti-colonial marxism) to assuage the pain of being abandoned by said “father.“ His ”father” didn’t “abandon” him, he tore himself away because the cause was so great. Nothing short of a noble cause could have kept his daddy from his beloved son. Daddy issues are always complex.
Report Post »dlmldm
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 1:54pmJust a couple of points you may find interesting.
1. Liberals who condemn Romney for being Mormon – must know Romney was born into the faith, yet they say nothing of Harry Reid’s Mormonism even though he converted to the LDS religion as an adult.
2. When Mormons first began practicing polygamy in the US, there was no law against it at the time, that came later.
3. When Romney’s ancestors left Utah for Mexico, they were not fleeing the US – Utah at that time was part of Mexico.
Report Post »PoliticiansRCrooks
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 2:23pmI will never vote a Mormon, If your a true Christian, you wouldn’t vote Romney.
Report Post »xyfbx
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 2:40pm@POLITICIANSRCROOKS
Report Post »You are a true something, but less Christian than you think
Believer33
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 2:41pm@ POLITICIANSRCROOKS
I can tell that you are such a “pure” Christian. Your parents must be so proud of you.
Report Post »barber2
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 5:01pmPoliticians is one of our so-called Paul Trolls. You can tell by the shear depth of their nasty contempt…
Report Post »marcus_arealius
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 5:15pm@Politiciansarecrooks – So let me see, if you were offered a plate of bitter squash or a plate of dog doo, you would prefer the dog doo because you don’t like squash? What the hell is the matter with you? Did you vote for that little squat stub POS Ross PeeeeRot and give the USA another 4 years of the other commie pervert, Clinton? I’ll say that McRino was one notch above dog doo, but one notch is all we had in 2008. Think about it.
Report Post »West Coast Patriot
Posted on April 21, 2012 at 12:50amBarber, for one thing you sound like you have nasty contempt also. I am a Paul supporter, and I have resented the Paulbot, kooks, crazy comments such as yours but I try to take it in stride. I am Mormon and I will not vote for Romney as he is a progressive. It does not matter that he is Mormon to me. I have been under the impression from the start of listening to Glenn Beck that the enemy is not Democrats or Liberals, but progressives in both parties. Now if you are Mormon and are voting for Romney because he is the same faith as you, that is as bad as blacks voting for Obama just because he is black. Again, if Obama was not a progressive and believed in individual liberties, I would look at voting for him. I am not going to just vote party line or the same faith or the same color skin, I am voting on principles and dedication to the roots of our country that made it great, I will vote for the candidate that is closest to our founding fathers, Ron Paul.
Report Post »kaydeebeau
Posted on April 21, 2012 at 3:02am@ Politic – “real” Christians? Really? Perhaps a deep dive into the scripture would be helpful
Just stop this insanity about Mormonism and other denominations. I have said this before and I will keep saying it – From God’s perspective there is but “one flock and one shepherd” (John 10:16).
If any denomination says that Jesus is the way the truth and the life, that no man cometh unto the Father but by me (Jesus) that should be sufficient for any true believer.
Want to “fight and argue about it”, wait until we get to heaven, if you still feel so inclined (or even remember this argument) in the presence of th Most High, then we can talk.
We are to keep the unity (Mark 9)
“All people will know that you are my followers if you love each other.” John 13:35
Stop and think about that verse for a minute. Could it be that unity is the key to reaching the world for Christ? . . .Isn’t that what is important – reaching the world for Christ?
Nowhere, by the way, are we told to build unity. We are told simply to keep unity
Those of us in the Body better get a grip and stop the in-fighting – http://www.maxlucado.com/articles/topical/life_aboard_the_fellow-ship
We better come together regardless of any doctrinal differences – that is our hope and one of the final commands of the Saviour
Report Post »justangry
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 1:50pmNah Governor, Romney will be alright. He’ll go along with the globalist agenda, let the Fed keep stealing from us, and of course, he’ll let the technocrats destroy our civil liberties. Probably keep the wars going for the military industrial complex, as well… You know.. more of the same BS the other guys give us. He could have 10 wives a goat and a midget tied up in his bacement and everything would be fine as long as he keeps everything the way it is now for the status quo.
Report Post »barber2
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 2:11pmSpare us, NOBama 2012.
Report Post »RJJinGadsden
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 2:24pmBARBER2, Ever since this clown posted a few days ago on another story to the effect that he just wished we baby boomers would pretty much just die and get out of his way, he has made an enemy of me.
Report Post »justangry
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 3:04pmOh noes, a progressive and a “don’t touch my SS” entitlement old timer don’t like me. What on earth shall I do? BTW, RJ, I stated, I didn’t really want anyone to literally die, but in your case… go for it. I’ll see ya in hell, chump!
Report Post »RJJinGadsden
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 3:15pmJUSTANGRY, might have been something more along the lines of wondering when we would die to get out of your way. Something along the lines that I would never say about anybody. Although there are a few people on the planet that need to die. I would consider those as the actual guilty ones on death row. Furthermore, I do not collect social security although I have paid into it for a life time. Frankly, I enjoy working and for many years now have expected social security to dry up before I would ever apply anyway. I’m pointing out that maybe you should be careful what you say, some of us will remember.
Report Post »barber2
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 4:36pmJust angry: your name says it all ..and you chose your own name !
Report Post »justangry
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 6:58pm@Barber, Why aren’t you angry?
Report Post »@RJ, My mistake on the SS. After thinking about it, it was that ding bat Romney supporter who says she’s in the Tea Party. Pfft!
RJJinGadsden
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 7:49pmJUSTANGRY, have said it before and will go ahead and mention it again. The only reason that I will vote for Romney is that he is not 0bama. Would vote for Paul had he become the candidate because he is not 0bama. My motto this year is still “anybody but 0bama.” Like almost every presidential election since I had to hold my nose and vote for Nixon, have had to do the same except when I voted for Reagan. McCain made it really difficult though. But, you are right, Romney is a dingbat. Just less of a POS than 0bama.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 11:56pm@JustAngry,
I think I remember talking with you a few months ago.
Are you still planning on either sitting this election out, or writing in Ron Paul on your ballot?
Report Post »hangthebastids
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 1:50pmmaybe barry and romney have something in common…?
not eligible?
anyone know where mittens father was born?was he a citizen?
we know that mitts father lived on a commune in mexico and was wanted by the us govt.
anyone have facts?
Report Post »Plan B
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 1:56pmNot true
Report Post »FreedomPurveyor
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 2:05pmGeorge Romney was born in Mexico, to American citizens. That makes him an American.
Mitt Romney was born in Detroit, which makes him American, regardless of his parents’ citizenship.
Report Post »RJJinGadsden
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 2:11pmI believe it was Romney’s grandfather who was born in Mexican territory. But, the Mexican government refused to recognize them as Mexican citizens, claiming that they were visiting Americans. A rough analogy and I say rough because of the laws of that time are very different than today. Romney’s grandfather would be considered very much like a child born overseas to military parents, or government civilians. I am in now way saying they were, merely an analogy. Regardless, the Romneys were considered Americans and never Mexicans.
Report Post »RJJinGadsden
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 2:20pmI’ll have to correct my above statement. Just researched it and really should have before putting my foot in my mouth. Romney’s grandparents were citizens of Utah who did move to Mexico where his father was born as a US citizen on a Mormon compound. The family did practice monogamy and polygamy had been abolished by the 1890 Manifesto. George was born in 1907.
Report Post »hangthebastids
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 2:27pmwas his grandfather that was wanted by the us.
mittens father was born in mexico.
Report Post »http://2012.republican-candidates.org/Romney/Biography.php
http://noonan4president.blogspot.com/2012/01/mitt-romney-is-not-natural-born-citizen.html
RJJinGadsden
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 2:47pmHANGTHEBASTIDS, Yeah, that is what I posted just ahead of your last post to make a correction. Geroge was born in Mexico. Just looked up both of his (George’s) grandparents as well as parents. No mention of either being wanted. George’s parents moved back to the U.S. during the Mexican Revolution. The family suffered financial losses for which the Mexican government made a partial payment to help cover those losses.
Report Post »hangthebastids
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 3:09pmstill not real sure myself…lots of conflicting info out there
peace
Report Post »RJJinGadsden
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 3:47pmHANGTHEBASTIDS, Yeah have to agree with you there. Either some info has purposely been obscured or it’s just not all available. Although it should be considering how the Mormons’ excellent genealogy records. They may not be posting them online though. The last time that I saw any, they were all on microfiche back in the mid ’90s.
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 4:52pmromney and obama have more in common than you think
Report Post »barber2
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 4:55pmSOY: and you will keep repeating that theme until the election, I presume…one of your classic lines…
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 4:58pmi’ll keep repeating it until you folks wake up…
Report Post »West Coast Patriot
Posted on April 21, 2012 at 12:53amBarber, Soy is right, they are both progressives and that is being alike in many ways. They both are the picks of Goldman Sachs, JP morgan and the other corrupt global elite corporations that are causing our demise and that makes them alike also.
Report Post »AmazingGrace8
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 1:48pmGov. B.S. of Mt., go fly a kite!
Like Bob (the 5) said, “lets’ talk about the big issues”. Yes, lets talk about all the rules & regulations & lets talk about the $15.5 TRILLION dollars we will never be able to pay back…lets talk about what Mrs. Palin said, “we are spending $3M a minute”…lets talk about restoring “souls” of the politicians in D.C….lets talk about the millions of people signing up for food-stamps (for whatever reasons) & The Food-Stamp-President does not even bat an eye. So many issues and so little time. The clock is ticking voter/taxpayers on our existance during this time of madness from a regime that has no conscience & no regard for living or aborted lives. Just “digging-up-bones” & not talking about the 3.5 yrs of utter madness from this admin.. We are old enough & can take care of our own lives WITHOUT- GOVERNMENT TRAINING-WHEELS. Just secure the borders & return power back to the states & their citizens and get the heck out of our kitchens, bedrooms & playgrounds!
Report Post »mcsledge
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 1:48pm…..Pratt was a Mormon missionary there; Miles Park Romney left Utah for Mexico with a tribe of polygamous Mormons after the Mormon church broke with the practice of polygamy in 1890.
When The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints abolished the practice of polygamy it applied to the entire Church membership regardless of where they lived. Anyone continuing the practice after it was abolished were disfellowshipped/excommunicated.
Report Post »Plan B
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 2:00pmI do not blame him for leaving for Mexico. He was already married to and had children by his wives. Which children should he have denied? Which Wife? You want to pass judgement on ancient history with out thinking it through. This man loved his family so much that rather then break them up he chose to uproot them and move so he could keep them together.
Report Post »Really2012
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 1:45pmI am from Montana, and this guy is embarrassing…
Report Post »KayNewby
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 1:45pmSo when did a baby decide where it would be born and into what family ?
Report Post »LUKERW . no the sin isn’t transferred but the consequences can be and usually are.
RJJinGadsden
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 1:44pmThis story will go no further than places like The Blaze and a very few other sources. The MSM will put nothing out about this and if they do, it will be glossed over in just a very few seconds that will sound like one of those “Side Effects may include….” sound bytes in those medication commercials. Many on the left are just tossing out word bombs in hopes that one or more will stick. When that happens the MSM will go into full spin cycle, but not until then.
Report Post »StopGovtBondage
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 1:44pmSo what is this – “you didn’t beat your wife, did you?”
The Dems are putting this out there strategically….in case Obama‘s family tree is compared to Romney’s…they want to neutralized the situation…. George Romney and what he offered his family, the way he raised his family COMPARED TO Barack Obama Sr – and the way he abandoned his family, had multi wifes and affairs – and was a loser and a drunk….
Indeed – let’s compare….
Report Post »b.mclane
Posted on April 21, 2012 at 11:35pm8sigh* So desperate for anything to stick to the wall. NEWSFLASH: GEORGE ROMNEY is NOT running for President. Whatever he may have said or done is not Mitt Romney’s responsibility.
Report Post »EqualJustice
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 1:43pmMormons do not drink, smoke, do drugs or womanize. Obama CAN NOT say the same!! What was done in the past has no bearing. I thought the left was going to leave family and RELIGION out of the debate? hahahaha So far the wife, the kids AND the religion have been dragged through the mud. What next, his grandkids? Does this make Obama, his PAST and HIS entire family fair game? BO himself INSERTS his wife and kids into the discussion when it suits HIS needs.I HATE HYPOCRITES
Report Post »PoliticiansRCrooks
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 2:25pmI saw Mormons drinking the other day, liar.
Report Post »xyfbx
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 2:46pm@POLITICIANSRCROOKS
Report Post »You are really a piece of work.
I can help you know if your church/pastor is deceiving you. If they have any pamphlets or material that tears down the believe of another religion in their building then they are not Christian. Christ was in the business of building up, not tearing down. If you don’t understand that, you might as well be Muslim or athiest because you sure aren’t Christian.
soybomb315
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 5:05pmmitt romney has already said he is not going to talk about religion. nobody on our side wants to defend the attacks on mormonism from the left.
what does this all mean? the left will be free to attack mormonism for the next 6 months and not have to worry about getting facts straight or blowback. its gonna be a great campaign….
Report Post »Tri-ox
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 1:38pmCome on – do democrats really want to start complaining about Romney’s religion and family history with obama in office? Really? LOL.
Report Post »RJJinGadsden
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 1:47pmAll that you have to do is bring up one name: Jeremiah Wright
Report Post »Mark0331
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 2:19pm@RJJ…or Barack Hussein Obama, Sr…that will get ‘em riled up.
Report Post »cherishedemblems
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 1:36pmMore proof that DEMS are idiots!!!! They just spin a story and don’t care the lies!!! Look how Romney handled the “DOG EATING STORY” he wouldn’t go there, but everyone wants to spin the story of a dog that rode on top of a car…the dog live to bark another day…many days.
Report Post »barber2
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 4:42pmJust want you to know that Dowd and Collins, to name a few, wrote ENDLESS opinion columns since 2008 in the Lefty New York Times repeating,…and repeating…and repeating..this story every time Romney’s name came up ! Such depth. Such political importance. I was, frankly amazed, that these clowns are STILL running this . Guess it shows that the Democrat Character Assassination Squad wasn’t able to dig up much on Romney like they did for Cain, etc. Collins , Dowd , and the NYT should be prosecuted by PETA for kicking a dead horse !
Report Post »the_system_disconnect
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 1:34pmIt sucks that anyone even has to respond to this crap.
Report Post »scuba13
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 1:32pmSo once again a Democrat speaks out about something only to look like an idiot after he says it .
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 1:32pmHey you fat bastard, did Romney’s dad eat dogs? Barry’s did.
Report Post »spirited
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 2:33pmGONZO never fails to bring clarity
;^> through brevity.
Report Post »JRook
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 1:32pm“The line of polygamists in the Romney family traces back generations, when it was an accepted practice in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.” Ah so accepted by the Morman’s is somehow more legitimate than accepted in the Kenyan culture. No doubt the lemmings here will follow the biased and weak flow of the report.
Report Post »M13
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 1:35pmJrook lies all the time. Pay no attention to his stupidity please.
Report Post »barber2
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 2:17pmM13: I never do.
Report Post »AxelPhantom
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 2:28pmObama’s father was a drunk, a habitual drunk driver, a polygamist, a revolutionary anti-capitalist and a communist who abandoned his young son for “the cause”. Oh, Obama didn’t really know his father? Well Romney didn’t know his great-grandparents either.
You say the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree? Yes, let’s have THAT conversation.
Mitt is a Mormon, he was married in the church, his children were baptized in the church…..well maybe despite all of this, like Obama, he sat in the pews all these years and never heard what was said.
What’s that you say? Mitt tied a dog kennel to the top of his vehicle with the dog in it? Well at least he didn’t serve it up for dinner, thank goodness for food storage!
Mitt’s wife “never worked a day in her life” but somehow she was “burdened” with 5 children that Obama would never want his daughters’ to have happen to them.
Mitt was born with a “silver spoon in his mouth” and somebody gave the Obama’s “a chance”, wonder who that was? Do you think perhaps his Columbia and Harvard education was in part paid for in silver— in the form of reduced tuition?
Keep it up libs, your guy doesn’t have a leg to stand on.
Report Post »barber2
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 4:32pmWould love to see Barry Soetoro’s school records. Have a feeling he got tuition help from claiming to be a foreign student from Indonesia..or maybe Africa…
Report Post »Mark0331
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 1:32pmBarry O’s father was a womanizing,one legged drunk who died drunker than WC Fields on the streets of Nairobi, as well as a man who abandoned his family…I guess Barry comes from good stock?
Report Post »HorseCrazy
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 1:40pmexactly but those bad white people with their Jesus and their love of America….so sick of this. These elected dems have no class.
Report Post »hangthebastids
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 2:13pmRomney is the scion of an old Mormon family. His grandparents were polygamists who fled the United States in the early 20th century when the Mormon Church repudiated polygamy; his father was born in Mexico. The Romneys returned to the U.S. in 1911 when a violent civil war broke out in Mexico.
Mitt Romney is a devout member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, and spent time as a missionary during his youth converting Catholics and agnostics to Mormonism in France. In fact, his time as a student and missionary helped him defer from military service during the Vietnam draft,[1] but he stated during interviews that “he had longed to join the soldiers in Vietnam and support the war effort.“ His father had stated in 1967 that he felt ”brainwashed” by U.S. officials over the justification of the prolonged Vietnam war. This statement had been very costly in George Romney’s 1968 campaign for president against Richard Nixon.
Romney claims to maintains a stable marriage with his wife Ann, with whom he has five children.
Report Post »Romney is the son of former Michigan governor and presidential candidate George Romney, a “Rockefeller Republican,”[2] who amassed a large fortune as an automobile industry magnate during World War II. George Romney was popular among moderates during his presidential run and was well-equipped for victory; many of his political advisors had come from Nelson Rockefeller’s 1964 campaign.
http://www.conservapedia.com/Mitt_Romney
EqualJustice
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 1:31pmOKAY.. the DIVIDER in Chief needs to go back and LISTEN to his OWN HYPOCRITCAL words from his 2006 speech! This part, in particular, jumped out at me….
Report Post »“Yet even as we speak, there are those who are preparing to divide us, the spin masters and negative ad peddlers who embrace the politics of anything goes. Well, I say to them tonight, there’s not a liberal America and a conservative America – there’s the United States of America. There’s not a black America and white America and Latino America and Asian America; there’s the United States of America. The pundits like to slice-and-dice our country into Red States and Blue States; Red States for Republicans, Blue States for Democrats. But I’ve got news for them, too. We worship an awesome God in the Blue States, and we don’t like federal agents poking around our libraries in the Red States. We coach Little League in the Blue States and have gay friends in the Red States. There are patriots who opposed the war in Iraq and patriots who supported it. We are one people, all of us pledging allegiance to the stars and stripes, all of us defending the United States of America.”
EqualJustice
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 1:37pmThat was supposed to say “2004” speech..
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Posted on April 20, 2012 at 1:42pmBingo!
Report Post »bernbart
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 9:36pmIts the tea Party right dividing the nation.
Report Post »jlbs
Posted on April 21, 2012 at 3:07pmSounds great—–too bad he didn’t mean it. Just another fake speech.
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 1:27pmThe Sins of the father… shall not fall upon (be transferred)… to the son!
Report Post »EqualJustice
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 1:36pmRight, like Obama beleives that one. How long will WE pay for slavery? I never owned a slave OR lived in a time when Blacks did not have even MORE of an advantage than I. They will dig back centuries if it fits the narrative and we all know it!
Report Post »barber2
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 2:09pmEQUAL : agree . The old “social justice ” ruse which is just another phrase which used to be called ” revenge.” Now all of the angry, haters dust it off, spew it from pulpits, and use it to punish / get money from people today for the “ sins” of their ancestors. Pretty transparent..and definitely, NOT Christian…
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on April 20, 2012 at 2:10pmDeuteronomy 24:16; Ezekiel 18:20
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