Dem Rep: ‘We’re Not Looking to the Constitution’ on the Contraceptive Mandate
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Rep. Kathy Hochul (AP)
In what can only be described as a deer-in-the-headlights question-and-answer session during a town hall event on Friday, Rep. Kathy Hochul (D-NY) uttered some bizarre statements about the Obama administration’s contraceptive mandate. The Lancaster, New York, event led to both boos and jeers for the congresswoman, but her statements also rised more serious questions regarding how the administration — and the Democratic Party — views the U.S. Constitution.
Video taken of the exchange is telling.
“Under what portion of the constitution is the government allowed to require a private or a religious organization to pay for anything for free,” asked one of her constituents.
Hochul’s response was more than stunning.
“Well, basically, we’re not looking to the Constitution on that aspect,” Hochul said, with her comment being followed by cheers, applause — even gasps.
But the situation only became more contentious from there. As if this comment weren’t startling enough (after all, the constitution is the blueprint for American governance), she continued.
“What I’m trying to say is — basically, the decision has been made by this congress that American citizens are entitled to healthcare, because the teachings that I was raised under — we take care of the…sick –”
Before she could finish her statement, her questioner interrupted, saying, ”We are also entitled to the freedoms under the First Amendment of the Constitution. That comes before any other freedoms. So, then we have to look at the Constitutions.”
“And I agree with you sir,” she said, as he was still explaining his take on religious freedom.
“I will stand and protect religious freedoms…,” Hochul continued. “But I don’t see a conflict here when Catholic Churches are exempted from this…requirement. I treasure religious freedom in this country — we all do.”
It was then that the man doing the questioning pointed out that hospitals and colleges that are attached to churches are also considered religious institutions and that they, too, should be protected. But it was his next question that left the congresswoman speechless.
“So why don’t we provide free access to band-aids or cancer screenings…?,” he asked. “Aren’t those more important to health care than contraception?”
After a long pause, Hochul said, ”Well, clearly more work needs to be done. You’re raising excellent points.”
Watch the bizarre and epic exchange take form, below:
WGRZ-TV caught up with the congresswoman following the town hall. During the interview, Hochul dismissed the concern over her stance on the contraceptive mandate:
Here’s more on the incident:
(H/T: Freedom’s Lighthouse)
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Comments (177)
OhComeOnAlready
Posted on February 28, 2012 at 2:19pmThe Constitution is what governs government so what she‘s saying is that Democrats weren’t even thinking about the restrictions that govern THEM. What she’s describing is a governmental attitude that has devolved into plutocracy and fascism. That she says restrictions don’t apply to her – and she says it so freely – highlights how little accountability there is in Washington because they know we have no immediate recourse She can trample the Constitution during her entire tenure and the best we can do in response is “hope” that she gets voted out. There‘s apparently nothing we can do if those in office decide during their tenure that the rules don’t apply to them short of a federal tax strike or labor strike.
Report Post »I support God's Israel!
Posted on February 28, 2012 at 2:40pm“Dem Rep: ‘We’re Not Looking to the Constitution’ on the Contraceptive Mandate”
Of course they’re not!!! The Constitution means NOTHING to them AND THEY WANT IT DESTROYED so they can institute Marxism. The moment they tell America literally, that the Constitution is no longer valid, is when I get my guns out and a new Revolution begins. There are various groups out there (good groups who are peaceful patriots – not zealots) who can take a lot, but coming out and literally trying to get rid of the Constitution will not be tolerated by them. They have a contingency plan that if this happens, then those liberal politicians and/or Judges HAVE BEEN MARKED. They will be eliminated. I hope it does not come to that. I really do. BUT, TRUST ME ON THIS, IT WILL HAPPEN……….they are getting prepared even as I write this.
Report Post »Good luck trying to find me, as this IP jumps all over the world…….;-)))
Trenaway
Posted on February 28, 2012 at 3:09pmThere is something we the people can do and it was written just so the people can retake back the government. It is called the 2nd, 9th and 10th amendment! It is time we force these criminals out of office and we the people retake our government!
Report Post »tgthompson
Posted on February 28, 2012 at 3:19pmThere is another way…….
“The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.”– Thomas Jefferson
Report Post »@leftfighter
Posted on February 28, 2012 at 3:38pmC’mon! Is anyone here surprised that they’re not paying attention to the Constitution re: contracepttion mandate? They don’t *ever* pay attention to the Constitution!
Report Post »Ruler4You
Posted on February 28, 2012 at 4:05pmFTA: “‘We’re Not Looking to the Constitution’ on the Contraceptive Mandate”
Why? Because the Constitution “IS” based in Gods law. And we are avoiding that like we’re avoiding individual Salvation in Gods name.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on February 28, 2012 at 4:57pmThese idiots insult the constitution every day. How anyone can vote for a democrat is beyond me.
Report Post »Comm Marine
Posted on February 28, 2012 at 4:59pmThe people keep electing these progressives into office. What the Hell did you expect? Get informed, idiots!
Report Post »FormerLib
Posted on February 28, 2012 at 5:30pm“Well, basically, we’re not looking to the Constitution on that aspect,” Hochul said,
******************
Well, thank you Madame Obvious. Hey, at least you’re honest about it.
Report Post »Freedomluver
Posted on February 28, 2012 at 5:38pmI hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the NDAA and the so called Patriot Act prove the Fascistic RINO’s are just as guilty of spitting on the Constitution and the Bill of Rights as the nuts on the left.
Report Post »Mike N
Posted on February 28, 2012 at 5:55pmImpeachment of the President for dereliction of duty works just fine for me. Once he’s gone, everyone else can be replaced.
Report Post »amdoktor
Posted on February 28, 2012 at 6:05pmThis initial video comment was posted earlier today, Did you see how the Newscast was filtered? The
Report Post »main stream media would even at the local level would not air that remark by her. Hate to break this to ya folks. The filter, delete, lie, fabricate, change and distort all the news. If you want the truth, better find some other sources. The only reason the original comments are floating around is the
got released before they could be silenced.
God bless us all
XScramblerX
Posted on February 28, 2012 at 6:19pmWhy are these progressives not losing their positions?
To hold such a position you have to take an oath to uphold the Constitution.
If you then IGNORE the Constitution you should then be relieved from your post
with contempt! It’s called tyranny. Do the PEOPLE have any recourse against
a tyrannical government or member there of….? Oh yea I just remembered……
give me liberty!
Report Post »jacques.daspy
Posted on February 28, 2012 at 6:42pmThe Constitution is like a recommendation. If you’re an ex-professor of Constitutional Law, Qbama knows that there are times that it should be superseded by a Presidential edict.
Abraham Young
Posted on February 28, 2012 at 7:35pmWe got rid of our representative when he made a stupid statement like that. Good riddance to Phil Hare, and we can send this Congresslady out the door with him.
Report Post »Cornflake
Posted on February 29, 2012 at 2:33amAs long as there are little minions working tireless hours for these lawbreakers they will be elected over, and over. After all, we have heard the old saying, that it’s not what you know, but WHO you know, that’s important! Who knew that there were so many citizens in this country that want to live under socialism, and yet have a govt. that is exempt from the laws it passes for it’s citizens? Is there really such apathy in this country, to want people like her to rule over us?
Report Post »REPUB1
Posted on February 28, 2012 at 2:18pmDem Rep: ‘We’re Not Looking to the Constitution’ on the Contraceptive Mandate
Report Post »oh nooooooooooooo we got OBUMMA. what the TRAITOR in Chief says goes.
SpankDaMonkey
Posted on February 28, 2012 at 2:17pm.
Report Post »Just come out and say you want POPULATION CONTROL…………
SpankDaMonkey
Posted on February 28, 2012 at 2:34pm.
They have been trying to find a way to control the minority population in this country forever. But the funny thing is the wrong color believed the lies and took the bait…….
Ask yourself this question; Where are all the Black & Hispanic Women standing on a stump Screaming for Birth Control?………
Report Post »jacques.daspy
Posted on February 28, 2012 at 6:46pmWill it be against the law to not take a contraception? Is not taking contraception a option for only a select portion of the population?
Report Post »BrerRabbit
Posted on February 28, 2012 at 2:16pmIMPEACH the witch!
Report Post »Realist4U
Posted on February 28, 2012 at 3:57pmor get a rope…
Report Post »Cornflake
Posted on February 29, 2012 at 2:05amApparently, the people who voted this woman in are too stupid to know what impeach means, and why they should do it. It appears that people in her district are of the same ilk as she. Stupid.
Report Post »momprayn
Posted on February 28, 2012 at 2:15pmHere’s something else to worry about – the unionization of the military. Re the recent health insurance deal with the military – check out plan for unionizing the military (this is one ploy to get there ?) —
http://theulstermanreport.com/2012/02/27/obama-reveals-beginnings-of-unionizing-plan-for-american-military/#comments
Report Post »hauschild
Posted on February 28, 2012 at 3:51pmFunny – I’ve often wondered what has been taking them so long to attempt this. The sad thing thing is that some people are going to be stupid enough to believe that 20-30 years from now, they will get their “benefits”. We’re already 100 trillion in unfunded debt, and the union won’t be around by then, in the same form it is now.
As much as I dislike the thought of a “different” America, I’m very curious to see what lies ahead after the 30% is forced to clean house again.
Report Post »suzzi
Posted on February 28, 2012 at 2:14pmAre there no consequences to lying under oath? The oath of upholding the constitution? Why is nothing being done? They all deserve to be behind bars, including our POTUS!
Report Post »cassandra
Posted on February 28, 2012 at 4:57pmSuzzi you got that right WHY aren‘t they held in contemp when they don’t hold up to the oath they took to uphold the Constitution? the democrates just keep looking for ways to get around our rule of laws so they can break them every chance thet get the democrates want controll we want FREEDOM
Report Post »Cornflake
Posted on February 29, 2012 at 2:21amThe oath of the constitution and swearing one will uphold it means nothing to these people. First, they haven’t read it. Second, they don’t care even if they have read it. Both parties of this government have been getting rich on the back of her citizens. Just look at the insider trading information they have, and it wasn’t illegal for them to take advantage of it. Is it any wonder that some in the govt. are fighting so hard against religion in the public square? Pesky little thing called G-d’s law and my rights that come from it, and be darn if it isn’t embedded in the constitution! Anyone who is jumping up and down for joy about the healthcare law should be asking themselves just why the government wants control of their healthcare! Once they control that, they own everything and anything that may be important to us. Whether it’s our life, our bank account, property, etc. that can be seized to pay for all this “free” healthcare by all those extra IRS agents they will be hiring to see if one can “pay” for it. After all, the government must cut back if one wants a family for themselves! That will be because one may want to spend money on their own “family,” instead of these control freaks.
Report Post »JQCitizen
Posted on February 28, 2012 at 2:11pmA Democrat that doesn’t care about the Constitution?
I’m SHOCKED! SHOCKED, I tell you!!!
Report Post »Cornflake
Posted on February 29, 2012 at 2:27amI‘m shocked right along with you that a dimocrat doesn’t care about the constitution!!! Funny, how they don’t care about the constitution, but care about MY healthcare. Swell, isn’t it? Also, just look at all those smiling faces behind her! They are SOOO proud to be pictured with her! ROFL
Report Post »loggs14
Posted on February 28, 2012 at 2:09pmThe funny thing if you let a DIM talk they will make our caes for us…. LOL…. Just let them talkm no matter the frustration… they always hang themselves with the lack of common sense and critical thinking skills in the end. Just like this lady did… I can see the campaign ads against here already… she doesn’t even consult the constitution…we all know this already but its great when they admit it…
Report Post »Cornflake
Posted on February 29, 2012 at 2:42amNaw, no station will be allowed to air an ad like that. Besides, they feel this will be old news by then, and it will be forgotten. After all, the govt. keeps us busy each day with little things like taking over our children, through the educational system. They are giving us too many battles to fight on the home front like gas prices, home prices, food prices, etc. to keep us busy. That way, we don’t get in the way of their agenda to rule the world.
Report Post »k1607
Posted on February 28, 2012 at 2:07pmthat’s one of the problems-they don’t look to the Constitution for anything, and so many of their supporters take what they say as fact, when much of it is not.
Report Post »drphil69
Posted on February 28, 2012 at 2:15pm“when much of it is not..”?
much? “most” I could buy… or even all… but “much” clearly underestimates the propensity for lefties to LIE AT EVERY POSSIBLE OPPORTUNITY.
Report Post »Escapee1
Posted on February 28, 2012 at 2:04pmBe afraid America…be VERY afraid….This is the mindset of the DEMO-c-RATS that want to “change” our country……It will be up to us to STOP that “change” when we go to the polls in November! God help us all if we fail…..
Report Post »REPUB1
Posted on February 28, 2012 at 2:25pmwe have already lost thats why and how Obummer got in office it was a Judgement from GOD, that got U.S. here in the first place.
Report Post »Razorhunters
Posted on February 28, 2012 at 2:37pmit is not just the demo crats…majority of all voted for ndaa, war powers act , trillions in debt , illegal wars etc etc…
Report Post »momprayn
Posted on February 28, 2012 at 2:04pmIn the book “Ameritopia” by Mark Levin, he describes these people to a “t”. They are called “utopian masterminds” – believing in that “utopia” thing (statists):
Report Post »“Utopianism is incompatible w/constitutionalism…requires power to be concentrated in a central authority w/maximum latitude to transform and control. Oppositely, a constitution establishes parameters that define the form & limits of govn’t..The Constitution reflects the Founders’ repudiation of utopianism…For the mastermind, where the Constitution is believed useful to utopian ends, it will be invoked. Where it is not,under the pretense of legitimate differences of interpretation it will be abandoned or remade through various doctrinal schemes & admin. evasions….the Constitituon’s words are as undeserving of respect as the rest of history. They will be used to muddle & disarrange, not inform & clarify…the authors..and proponents will be dismissed as throwbacks. To follow them will be to renounce modernity and progress. And yet to follow the mastermind is to renounce the American founding & heritage…
The mastermind relies on uniform standards born of insufficient knowledge & info, which are crafted from his own predilections, values, sterotypes, experiences, idiosyncrasies, desires, prejudices and of course, fantasy….over time, the misery & corrosiveness from their effects spread through the whole of society.”
Levin NAILS them – must read guys!!!!!!!!!!
GhostOfJefferson
Posted on February 28, 2012 at 2:11pmThat’s a pretty handy quote you provided, now I’m rather interested in reading the book. Thank you for the lead!
Report Post »TRONINTHEMORNING
Posted on February 28, 2012 at 2:21pmHad Levin on my radio show last week; I gave away books and the phone never stopped ringing.
Mark rocks!
Report Post »kdcddd
Posted on February 28, 2012 at 2:03pmJust remember ignorant and stupid politicians get put in office by ignorant and stupid voters,,,,,,,,,,,
Report Post »jnobfan
Posted on February 28, 2012 at 3:06pmBingo!! Bingo!!!
Report Post »We have a winner!!
The population IQ is a treacherous road. The founders didn’t trust them entirely either and that is the reason we are a Representative Republic and not a true Democracy. Not sure if it was Jefferson or Franklin who said a Democracy will only last until the population realizes they can vote themselves all of the money. Up until the last 30 years or so our population, our elected representatives and importantly appointed judges could be trusted with doing what was best for a freedom loving,god fearing,capitalistic America.
IMO the Viet Nam war and the lies we were told about it damaged America deeply. The offspring of the Greatest Generation rebelled against all of our traditional institutions which in their opinion let them down and in many ways I agree with them. The kids are not alright.
They became the “me” generation and now they are still pissed off but organized and hold political and judicial powers. Between the immigrants, the slackers and the homegrown commies we are doomed. Too many votes. Better have a plan outside of the cities. This is not going to end well.
jacques.daspy
Posted on February 28, 2012 at 6:52pmNever in history, have so many been unemployable for so long. The nation has been, and still is, producing people that wouldn’t be allowed to vote in an Afghanistan election.
Report Post »Cornflake
Posted on February 29, 2012 at 2:53amThe population IQ has been on a downhill slide ever since the federal government took over the educational system. I wondered how it could keep getting worse, year after year, after all the money that was infested into it. No, that’s not misspelled. Seems this money went for the govt. to hire the most progressive people they could find, to revamp our education system each year, and damage it even further! Our children must be taught to conform to the new socialist thoughts that are quickly becoming a reality in this country. If we dare to try and stop it, they will not ALLOW us to have children. That‘s another reason why it’s not a question of the constitution regarding birth control mandates. It’s not just population control, it’s control over everything!
Report Post »MBA
Posted on February 28, 2012 at 1:59pmIs anyone surprised that the democrats totally reject the US Constitution. It’s time to charge them with treason–there is no other word for it, These people (to be polite) do not deserve to be representing anyone in this great nation.
Report Post »MYHEROISRON
Posted on February 28, 2012 at 2:14pmOBAMMY will NEVER debate. This dumb broad is the perfect example why. There are so many issues, take yer pick, that OBAMMY would literally be destroyed over simply by asking a question! Hell, let’s start the questioning about his communist parents!
Report Post »TRONINTHEMORNING
Posted on February 28, 2012 at 1:58pmMy goodness, libs are either stupid or evil. Or both. Never compromise with with them. Beat them. Their arguments are see-thru tripe and they continue to expose themselves. Keep it up, libs. We conservatives love it!
Report Post »hauschild
Posted on February 28, 2012 at 3:52pmI’d vote for evil.
Report Post »tgthompson
Posted on February 28, 2012 at 1:55pmI would be willing to bet the Liberal Democrats have not even read the Constitution.
Report Post »Gypsy123
Posted on February 28, 2012 at 1:54pmShe said it all they don’t follow the constitution they follow the democrat czar rule
Report Post »Dougral Supports Israel
Posted on February 28, 2012 at 1:53pmI hate to say it but this cretin is my representative. She managed to win the election after Chris Lee’s ill-fated Craigslist posting. Hopefully the Republicans will run someone against her who can make her eat her words in the upcoming elections.
Report Post »mcsledge
Posted on February 28, 2012 at 1:50pmAmericans had better wake up from this bad dream and act before it is too late or these bad dreams will become never ending nightmares.
Although America declared ‘life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness’ for its citizenry in the Declaration of Independence, it is the Bill of Rights in the US Constitution that ensure such freedoms.
What if America were to abolish the US Constitution (which Obama and many others are in the process of doing)? You would abolish the very mechanisms found in the Bill of Rights that promise citizens freedom of religion, freedom of speech, the right to bear arms, the right to property ownership, etc.
If we don’t act, then maybe we don’t deserve to be free.
Report Post »SquidVetOhio
Posted on February 28, 2012 at 1:41pmGoes to show that, in a debate, you can own a liberal in 3 sentences or less.
Report Post »bigspike
Posted on February 29, 2012 at 6:12amthey just hand themselves over…
Report Post »dmerwin
Posted on February 28, 2012 at 1:33pmThe reality is the liberals do not look to the constitution for anything. They see it as a great hindrance to their agenda. Which is exactly what she states here.
Report Post »thegreatcarnac
Posted on February 28, 2012 at 1:52pmThat is true!!!
Report Post »grudgywoof
Posted on February 28, 2012 at 1:56pmAmen and that is where the great divide exists. They are for the most part godless progressives who not only see the constitution as an impediment but Judeo Christian values in general. We are in a war with these people and the sooner the majority of Americans wake up to this the better. You can’t fight a war sitting on your arse so rise up Catholics, Evangelicals, Protestants, and Jews because we are in a fight for our life and it may be for our very lives.
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on February 28, 2012 at 1:31pmHow much more proof is it going to take to get the American people rialed up with these traitors and usurpers of the Constitution; its clear with statement after statement that Obama wants an autocratic dictatorship.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on February 28, 2012 at 1:39pmYou haven’t offered any, and inartful statement taken out of context is not proof of anything. Nor is a loud mouth in the audience a spealer of truths. Univerisities and Hospitals are not the same as Churches, they both employ non-catholics in key positions.
The issue is should the immoral church be allowed to dictate and force their religion on their employees. This is no different than a muslim company forcing its female employees to wear burkas, would the folks on the blaze stand for that one?
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on February 28, 2012 at 1:39pmYou get the American people riled up by canceling “Dancing With the Stars” or an NFL strike, not by discarding the Constitution.
Report Post »brien1969
Posted on February 28, 2012 at 1:47pmforcing it on the Employees? When you work for someone you follow whatever rules they dictate. So Under your logic any policy that a employer has is forcing something on the employee and is like Muslim countries forcing the women to wear burkas? NO! If you do not like a policy you can work somewhere else.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on February 28, 2012 at 1:48pmEncinom, did any of those employees have coverage for contraceptives when they took those jobs? Did someone force them to take those jobs at gunpoint? Are they free to apply for employment elsewhere?
Report Post »bassist237
Posted on February 28, 2012 at 1:49pmThe way to solve the religious hospital enforcing it’s views on the employee relies on the employee. If you don’t like it, then leave or do not work for a religious hospital. Go work for a public hospital. It’s not for everyone, just like wal-mart isn’t for everyone. If you don’t like something, then don’t do it… not to hard of a concept to grasp..
Report Post »Razorhunters
Posted on February 28, 2012 at 1:52pmpreach , sister , preach…
nixon was impeached for what…?
clinton was impeached by the house for monica and a cigar.
barry ‘s crimes would take hours to list and days to read /watch.
what crimes…search for yourself and learn a few things.
Report Post »Kankokage
Posted on February 28, 2012 at 2:06pmThat‘s a pretty weak patch of ice you’re standing on Encinom.
1) There was nothing to take out of context. There were no edits, no clips, no muted sections. Complete question, complete answer. Your fallback of “it was taken out of context” is a worthless knee-jerk reaction. You have nothing.
2) Universities and hospitals owned by churches are still religious institutions by definition. The ownership of a company, in this case a church, is allowed to dictate the terms and conditions of employment.
3) Many churches employ non-members, even to perform worship aspects such as music. Those employees understand and acknowledge the wishes of their employers. That’s kind of what having a job requires. You don’t like the situation, you can leave.
4) Forcing their religion on employees? Stupidest argument you have ever made. When a doctor, who is Methodist, shows up for work at the Catholic hospital, he is not required to take sacrament, he is not given a test to see if he is canonically pure, he is not shunned. He enters into an agreement with his employer when he starts working, and if he decides to rail against that agreement he should expect to be dismissed.
5) If a non-muslim woman decides to work for a muslim-owned company, and part of the employment agreement calls for the woman to wear a burqa at work, and she then takes the job – really, she has no room for complaint. She took the job.
Report Post »COFemale
Posted on February 28, 2012 at 2:09pmAnd you are defining the church as immoral? Who died and bestowed that honor on you where you could declare a church’s doctrine, who members follow by their own choosing, as immoral? Who do the hell you think you are? Until you recognize you have no moral standing to tell a church what doctrines to follow or not follow, shut the hell up.
By your definition, I could declare that my mortgage company is immoral and I can demand they pay my mortgage off because I am unemployed as a full-time work. Hell I can demand that you pay my mortgage off. How about it Encinom. Pay my mortgage.
Until you can recognize the Constitution does exist and all politicians are required to follow the Constitution in their oath, when they don’t, they can be deemed traitors. If you do anything to bring down the U.S., we can declare you a traitor also.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on February 28, 2012 at 2:14pmThis isn’t a religious question.
Where is the President, or anybody in Congress, empowered Constitutionally to force ANYBODY to provide free goods and/or services to the public?
The religious angle is the one they want you to focus on, as if they remove it you will be satisfied that you accomplished something. What they don’t want you to notice is the government now dictating exactly what business will sell, not sell, or provide for free, just like in all command and control economies.
Focus people.
Report Post »tgthompson
Posted on February 28, 2012 at 2:21pm@ENCINOM
Report Post »This is a free country; this does not mean everything is free. It means you have the freedom of choice. So if you as an employee do not like what the employer tells you to do or you do not like the health care they provide, you‘re free to leave and work somewhere else. The government does not have the right to tell companies how to run their business or that I have to buy health care if I do not want it. This is in the Constitution and this is why the liberals do not consult the Constitution, they don’t want it.
Kankokage
Posted on February 28, 2012 at 2:25pmExactly, Ghost. The religion thing is being presented as a smokescreen by the left to distract us from the executive removal of the first amendment. My response to Encinom was purely to refute the ridiculous distractions it threw up. In order to take down the argument, you gotta purge the flak.
Report Post »POdVet
Posted on February 28, 2012 at 3:08pmEncinom “This is no different than a muslim company forcing its female employees to wear burkas, would the folks on the blaze stand for that one?”
Hello McFly! a Muslim company would most likely behead any woman who had the gall to dare think about working! So there is absolutely no basis for your comparison with a Muslim owned company requiring women to wear burqas. I mean seriously you dolt. That is akin to trying to say the KKK trying to force African American members to wear black sheets rather than white sheets to their meetings. Lay off the drugs and Daily Kos and go learn something.
Report Post »Soldier7
Posted on February 28, 2012 at 3:24pmMy biggest problem with this mandate is not the religious aspect although I do agree with those who are taking that point of view. My issue that we keep skirting around is that somehow women are being denied contraception and that it should be free.
1) Contraception is readily available to all women. Heck Planned Parenthood gives it out!
2) Contraception is not a medical necessity! That is the purpose of medical insurance.
The idea that by denying women free contraception is somehow akin to going back to the stone age is ridiculous.
Report Post »RJJinGadsden
Posted on February 28, 2012 at 5:15pm@ RAZORHUNTERS, Just when and where was President Nixon impeached? Apparently you were not there as I was. I voted for the man, and for good reason, his opponent George McGovern an Sargent Shriver who replaced Lawrence Eagleton. Yeah, it was one of those hold your nose and vote for the lesser of two evils moments. Yeah, he eventually was caught with the knowledge of some of his men doing the Watergate shuffle. When the threat of impeachment came up, Nixon resigned rather than put the country through more upheaval.
Report Post »Now, Clinton was actually impeached, just not impeached out of office. He was impeached for committing perjury in federal court. Not sex, but telling an out and out lie in court.
Both were as wrong as the other, no doubt about it.
bassist237
Posted on February 28, 2012 at 1:30pmWho let Joe the plumber out?
Report Post »BurntHills
Posted on February 28, 2012 at 1:30pmthese filthy vile democrats stopped being Americans in Nov 2008. we all saw that happen. they are nothing more than obama’s rabid animal communist party now. time to put them all down and out, before we can no longer save and rescue America from them. .
Report Post »thegreatcarnac
Posted on February 28, 2012 at 1:53pmThey stopped way before 2008. In 2008….they just stopped caring what others thought and came out of their ‘communist’ closet.
Report Post »TOMSERVO
Posted on February 28, 2012 at 1:28pm“I will stand and protect religious freedoms…,” Hochul continued. “But I don’t see a conflict here when Catholic Churches are exempted from this…requirement. I treasure religious freedom in this country — we all do.”
There it is. No conflict people, just typical snake oil from your attention-needing conservative icons. yuck they are despicable.
Report Post »brien1969
Posted on February 28, 2012 at 1:39pmSorry TOM but you are wrong. When you mandate that insurance companies or providers pay for free service and some of these religious institutions are self insured, you are forcing the religious groups to pay. Also when you mandate that anyone pay or buy a service you are violating the CONSTITUTION. You will see when the supreme court votes this mandate crap down that you and your lib friends were wrong.
Report Post »Razorhunters
Posted on February 28, 2012 at 1:57pmwould not trust the supreme court on jack and squat…
what have they done so far …?
wide open borders for how long…?
Report Post »the obscene bs done to our constitution ..? the ndaa , the war powers act etc etc…
cosette
Posted on February 28, 2012 at 3:24pmCatholic churches are exempted. Catholic institutions are not. If the church is the owner and operator of a faith based institution it is still considered, for all intents and purposes, a church. Case in point, catholic schools are tax exempt, as are catholic hospitals, adoption service centers etc. These institutions will be shut down if this mandate stands. The influx of people who will have to seek these services in public institutions will overwhelm those institutions, not to mention the expense to the taxpayer to support them. You haven’t thought this through, and apparently neither has this administration. I find it amazing that I have more insight than all the “brilliant” people in the white house put together. Then again maybe not, common sense always prevails.
Report Post »TOMSERVO
Posted on February 28, 2012 at 4:49pm@Cosette
Report Post »Quite frankly, none of those institutions should be tax exempt in my opinion, including churches. I think this is one of the biggest fundamental problems in our country.
cosette
Posted on February 29, 2012 at 1:59pm@ Tomservo- What each of us thinks of any law is of no consequence. The law is the law. In this case these tax exempt institutions are classified as such due to their religious affiliation. To place federal mandates which are antithetical to the tenants of their faith is a gross violation of the first amendment and will surly be ruled as such in the event it is challenged in court.
Report Post »Atilla
Posted on February 28, 2012 at 1:26pmGeez tell us something that we don’t know. Ignorance is teachable, stupid is permanent.
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