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Legal Expert Dershowitz Tells Beck: Zimmerman Charges ‘Unethical’ and ‘About Politics’

During Tuesday morning’s radio broadcast, renown legal professor Alan Dershowitz joined Glenn Beck and his co-hosts to discuss the legal intricacies of second degree murder charges, particularly as they relate to George Zimmerman in the Trayvon Martin case. The veteran law expert asserted unequivocally that the evidence in the case does not support the charge of second degree murder and that it is “unethical” behavior, “not incompetence,” on the part of the prosecution to have pursed such a charge. 

Dershowitz explained that in order to substantiate second degree murder, pure malice and “extreme disregard” for human life must be evident and that nothing present in the affidavit submitted met those elements. He added that the prosecution would have had to show Zimmerman made a conscious decision “to kill the young man because he hated him.. or didn’t value his life.”

The legal professor also explained that, given the pictures of Zimmerman’s bloodied head and the facts of the case known thus far, a second degree murder charge is nearly impossible to prosecute. With this in mind, Dershowitz concluded that the prosecution must have purposely withheld evidence for political purposes in order to pursue a second degree murder charge.

“The blood is a smoking gun,” he stated emphatically.

According to Dershowitz, in Florida, a second degree murder charge is the same as first degree murder except for the fact that it does not carry the death penalty. This is not the kind of case where second degree murder “is charged by ethical and rational prosecutors based on the evidence.“ He added that withholding evidence is unlawful and reminded that ”this is not a poker game.”

In exploring the reasons why the prosecution might have withheld evidence, Dershowitz said that the prosecutor was politically elected and likely seeks to avoid riots and other forms of backlash through “over-charging.” He said that while a charge of manslaughter would have been a reasonable point of debate among people, a second degree murder charge shows the prosecutor’s motives were not about justice “but about politics.”  Dershowitz explained to Beck that if he were a judge, under Stand Your Ground laws, he would undoubtedly throw out the charge of second degree murder but said even if Stand Your Ground were not applicable, Zimmerman could still be legally tried under the lens of self-defense.

In analyzing where he sees the case leading, Dershowitz said he could perhaps envision a plea bargain, but definitely not a second degree murder conviction. He pointed out, however, that to ensure a fair trial, the case will have to be moved to a different county so that jurors will not feel threatened by agitators and can comfortably and fairly weigh their verdict without risking harm to themselves or their families.

Dershowtiz was also quick to note that people’s political leanings should not factor into this case as it is not about politics, but instead “about justice.” He noted that, per the core principles of America’s justice system, it is better to “err on the side of acquitting the possibly guilty” rather than err on the side of “convicting the possibly innocent.”

 

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  • jackact
    Posted on April 24, 2012 at 1:42pm

    “George Zimmerman will be accussed for the same reason that OJ Simpson was acquitted.
    If you have a hard time understanding this please send me a self addressed envelope and I will mail you a new brain”…Bob Grant 770 WABC talk radio, Sunday 22nd, 2012.
    Nothing else need be said to further clarify this issue.

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    • doomytram
      Posted on April 24, 2012 at 2:04pm

      Duhhhh. That little school child was profiled, tracked down, raped, and viciously murdered by a known Hate filled White Dude.

      If the Glove don’t fit, then you must acquit…. catchy rap do, la, de… if the glove don’t fit you must acquit… OJ just profiled, tracked down, raped and viciously murdered a bpitch and a hate filled white guy.

      You hit it!

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    • Constantine Ivanov
      Posted on April 24, 2012 at 2:19pm

      I am wondering why you are promising to send what is not produced in the USA anymore.
      Oh, sorry, you promised to send “it” in an envelope (self-addressed one), so I assume it’s very thin, made probably in Japan and assembled in Philippines?

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    • goldmind
      Posted on April 24, 2012 at 2:31pm

      One can only hope, at this juncture, that the Mayan prediction for December 21st of this year bears fruit. The world has become a cesspool of deviates and hypocrites. The planet is due for a correction of this species, that has ravaged its beauty and abundance for thousands of years. We don’t deserve to exist, let alone co-exist. Please if there is a god, purge the earth of these vile creatures called humans.

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    • goldmind
      Posted on April 24, 2012 at 2:40pm

      And by all means, include me in the purge. I am unfortunately one of them.

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    • Redwood Elf
      Posted on April 24, 2012 at 2:50pm

      Constantine Ivanov – But there are plenty of unused brains around. Obama supporters and the racists who jumped on this “Let’s get whitey, even though Zimmerman isn’t a white guy” bandwagon aren’t using theirs, after all.

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    • tryintodoright
      Posted on April 24, 2012 at 2:54pm

      amen…i‘m afraid they’re gonna make one heck of an example out of the ole boy to shut the rest of us up.

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    • jzs
      Posted on April 24, 2012 at 2:55pm

      Actually I don’t know that is so unusual to bring charges against some who kills an unarmed person with a gun. I also don‘t know that it’s legal to follow someone until they fear for the life, and when they turn around stand their ground, shoot them dead.

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    • doomytram
      Posted on April 24, 2012 at 3:12pm

      @JZS if you were getting the life beat out of you by a person and you had a a gun, then you would shoot. You know you would shoot..shoot.

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    • grimmy
      Posted on April 24, 2012 at 3:16pm

      @jzs aka encinom.
      What the hell does using a gun have to do with “killing” someone? I can promise you this, if i wanted someone dead,it wouldnt be with a gun.And jzs,killing someone can be done with something as obscure as a playing card,so why blame the gun, you pos f-n moron?

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    • RJJinGadsden
      Posted on April 24, 2012 at 3:18pm

      JZS,I will say “IF” here because neither you nor I really do know what actually happened from moment to moment. So IF Martin was actually grasping and beating Zimmerman’s head against a section of the walkway, that concrete IS A WEAPON, and constitutes aggravated assault with intent to commit bodily harm. Which IF that occured there is evidence of ACTUAL body harm. IF Zimmerman was assaulted in that manner with Martin on top of him, Zimmerman had every right to defend himself. IF that is what happened and Zimmerman not protected himself we would likely have a dead or severely injured Zimmerman with likely an unknown assailant.
      Are you simply an anti-gun nut?
      Do you not want people to have the right to defend themselves?
      Or, do you just fall into lock step with what BSNBC, CNN, and other like media when they tell you how to act?

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    • Redwood Elf
      Posted on April 24, 2012 at 3:18pm

      JCS: Why are you obsessing about the “unarmed” part…the words “Unarmed” and “Harmless” are not synonymous. It is perfectly possible to kill someone with your bare hands, oh mind-numbed one.

      Martin had him on the ground and was pounding his head into the pavement. That’s not exactly friendly behavior.

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    • Constantine Ivanov
      Posted on April 24, 2012 at 3:27pm

      @REDWOOD ELF:
      Hopefully, you don’t want those rotten “brains” be mailed: it will make you an “unabomber” -:)

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    • Ari Ben TZion
      Posted on April 24, 2012 at 4:27pm

      We have become a society of Morlocks’ and Elois’.

      We allow many blacks in our society to rule by mobocracy because we are afraid that if we say something we will be accused of being a racist or of being the owner of some modern day, PC created phobia.

      The entire American society is committing apoptosis and there is not one man in Washington who will stand up to the decrepit, socialist morons running our country.

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    • robert
      Posted on April 24, 2012 at 5:19pm

      jzs
      Posted on April 24, 2012 at 2:55pm
      “Actually I don’t know that is so unusual to bring charges against some who kills an unarmed person with a gun. I also don‘t know that it’s legal to follow someone until they fear for the life, and when they turn around stand their ground, shoot them dead.”

      Heh, heh, heh.

      Looks like kindergarten cop just gave his expert opinion….again.

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    • Backgammon
      Posted on April 24, 2012 at 5:51pm

      Want to see what the Racist think Zimmerman should do? The replies are amazing and frightening.

      WHY do you WANT this?
      http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/04/18/trial-of-george-zimmerman-could-trigger-another-rodney-king.html

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    • Redwood Elf
      Posted on April 24, 2012 at 7:28pm

      @BackGammon: It’s not the replies that are sickening, it’s the article.

      Let me get this straight…Because a bunch of racist jerks stirred up by Jackson and Sharpton might riot against whites, a hispanic should “cop a plea” even if he’s completely innocent.

      I’m sure that YOU would be perfectly willing to do so if you were falsely accused of murder, eh?

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    • Anamah
      Posted on April 24, 2012 at 9:08pm

      It is good to have his opinion, especially now when political manipulation can make from reality our worst nightmare. Thank you Alan Dershowitz!

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    • jzs
      Posted on April 24, 2012 at 9:50pm

      RJJinGadsden, that’s a pretty good post, but here’s my slant. Zimmerman was following this guy. He said that on his 9-11 call, something Zimmerman seemed to do a lot, like 50 times over a couple of year. Zimmerman was definitely a strange guy, and saw lots of imaginary threats. What made the other 50 people he called 9-11 for suspicious? I don’t know.

      So did Trayvon have an inclination to simply fight someone for pleasure? No, I don’t think so, he didn’t have a history of that kind of thing. However he was probably street-wise, and knew that when someone is following you for no evident reason, there is no reason for that other than to rob you or do you harm.

      Now you, RJJinGadsden, would run away, as would everyone is taking up for Zimmerman, run away as fast as you could, and forever in the future also run away from this neighborhood bully. But Travon didn’t. He stood his ground rather than be bullied forever or be robbed or beaten. You can stand in Florida, that’s the law.

      So Travon probably did stand his ground and go after what he saw as a bully or a stalker or someone trying to rob him. You wouldn‘t have done the same because you’re a sissy. But Travon did, he stood his ground. So the guy following him, the stalker, the potential robber, the bully, killed him. That’s only okay if your instinct is to run away and hide from the neighorhood bully and let someone intimidate you.

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    • toto
      Posted on April 24, 2012 at 11:09pm

      JZS, Why do you think Zimmerman had no right to stand his ground, but you think Trayvon did? Don‘t know what’s fact, because no one will discuss the facts about Trayvon, and until trial, nothing disclosed is reliable . Did read he got into trouble for hitting a bus driver and that he had stolen women’s jewelry in his school locker. No one has discussed his attitude toward white people, but I can tell you from reading his tweets, he was no “sweet kid”. No one has asked why didn’t just ask the Zimmerman what he wanted, say I’m just walking home, etc. etc. The chip on some black youths shoulders is huge, and, based on criminal statistics, Zimmerman’s concerns were not unfounded.

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    • Aviyah
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 1:26am

      Little school child my arse! If you’re wondering why this guy was killed, it’s not because he was Black and wearing a hoodie (Geraldo’s so stupid). It‘s because of a million Black guys who came before him who’ve conducted themselves like animals in a civil society. It’s because of a Black culture that elevates gang violence and thuggery.

      If a guy can assault someone, merely because they’re following him around their own neighborhood, then there is no law and order any longer in America. Al Sharpton and his bunch are doing far more damage than potentially convicting a guy who stood his ground. They are bringing us one step closer to making defense of our homes and families illegal. These are some of the most dispicable dumb bastards on the face of the planet.

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    • RJJinGadsden
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 1:31am

      JZS, As I posted elsewhere in response to some nonsense from ENCINOM(AN) I‘ve looked at this incident and in my humble opinion combined with previous experience I feel that this incident was the chance meeting of a wannabe cop patrolling his parent’s neighborhood met with a genuine thug with those very same street smarts that you described thus resulting in the tragic outcome. I hope to see a completed investigation and the truth come out regardless who is determined to be right or wrong. Should Zimmerman be found guilty of the current charge or even a lesser I hope to see the book literally thrown at him. If he is cleared, everybody needs to leave him alone and stop the speculation, much like your speculation.
      Again, to correct you, I am not taking up for Zimmerman. I have looked at the information available and so far the prosecution has very little to go on to charge him. Evidence that has so far been revealed tends to favor his story…so far. I say that we, the public do not know the whole story yet though. Zimmerman’s wounds tend to illustrate he was on his back with Martin on top of him, at least for part of the struggle. Who attacked who? We still do not know and I will not speculate further.
      JZS, I would figure you to be the type to run away at the first sight of Martin had you been in that position. I, like many here have been trained to run towards the danger, not away from it.
      Continued.

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    • Sgt_Rock
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 1:35am

      JZS, I can only assume, from your knowledge of the details, that you were a witness to these events. If that is the case, you are obligated to report your observations to the police…now if I am mistaken, and you weren’t there, well…then your opinion means absolutely squat, just all the other conjecture that is bandied about regarding this case. Frankly, everyone needs to get the facts straight but due to the political nightmare this has become, it is doubtful that will ever occur. If Zimmerman takes a plea deal he is a fool. No righteous jury will convict him on the evidence presented in the indictment. That said, when he is acquitted, the ‘92 riots are gonna look like a backyard barbecue in comparison to the chaos that will manifest itself in the streets of the big cities. To all the LEOs out there…stand-by for some serious stick time! And bring your A-game. This will be one for the ages.

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    • RJJinGadsden
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 1:49am

      JZS, If you are trying to offend me or call me a coward, already been there and done that…far too many times. Besides, these days I am too old to try and run. But, old people will hurt you in a heart beat before letting you hurt us. I also carry a SIG P226 with a 20 round mag in a holster with another 20 round mag in it’s mag pouch. With one in the breech that makes 41 rounds of Federal Hydra-Shok Plus-P-Plus at the ready. My wife does not have the same background, but is well trained to use her Glock 17 with a spare mag that gives her 35 of the same rounds at the ready. Same rounds that I carried on the police department. I am not looking for trouble, but will take care of business should it find me. There are dangerous people out there and I am not paranoid, I just happen to know they are out there. I have put many of them in jail. So, no I will not turn and run from danger as I suspect that you would. But, if that is your survival mechanism, then by all means do just that. What was the buzz phrase in one of the Dirty Harry movies? A man has just got to know his limitations….right?
      Funny how you now try to make Martin seem to stand his ground when all of the left is against the stand your ground theme. Again, I do not know what happened, but IF Martin who Zimmerman had reported was out of sight to the 911 operator had attacked him. And IF he was on top of Zimmerman and beating his head on the concrete, I would say that Stand Your Ground is a moot point. It’s surviva

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    • johnjamison
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 11:05am

      The special prosecutor appointed to hear the Trayvon Martin shooting case announced Monday the Grand Jury will not decide whether George Zimmerman will face charges
      The 5th amendment guarantees all citizens that they will not face extreme charges without a grand jury indictment.
      Zimmermans 5th amendment rights have been violated …..HE’LL NEVER SEE THE INSIDE OF A PRISON

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    • sacwoodpusher
      Posted on April 26, 2012 at 1:56am

      @Backgammon………I don’t care if the blacks riot or not. The black race does not own the judicial system, and their opinion is supposed to be irrellevent in the court case. Let them riot. I am armed, and will defend my home with lethal force. I suggest that you arm yourself, and be ready. Justice cannot be compromised by an angry mob. An angry mob, however, can and should be subdued by shotgun weilding police, but if the police won’t defend me and my family, I will.

      Live free, or die. And if its die, take as many as you can with you.

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  • Libertyluvnmomma
    Posted on April 24, 2012 at 1:40pm

    With a name like “Zimmerman” he must be a ‘white, hispanic Zionist”!
    Therefore he needs to be annihilated.
    Isn’t that right, lynch mob?

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  • Gonzo
    Posted on April 24, 2012 at 1:40pm

    Zimmerman needs to win a lawsuit against ABC for editing his video and write a book so he can disappear when this is over. He has no chance of a normal life. Of course the martin’s will sue him for wrongful death so, even when the criminal trial is over, he’s still got a civil case against him.

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    • Gonzo
      Posted on April 24, 2012 at 1:51pm

      Audio, not video.

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    • RJJinGadsden
      Posted on April 24, 2012 at 2:09pm

      GONZO, You are so right on that. And this answer ties in with LIBERTYLUVNMOMMA’s post just above yours. I hope that Zimmerman sues more than one of these media outlets that set this whole crap storm into motion regardless of the outcome of his trial. The media dived head first into their contrived story when Zimmerman’s name hit the wires. They either assumed or hoped that he was caucasion and better yet, Jewish. Then set about blowing the story up to what it has become then putting out more falsified parts of stories in hopes of increasing the outrage.
      I am not rooting for or against Zimmerman. I want the truth to come out via a full investigation and a trial if necessary. If found guilty of 2nd Degree Murder or even a lesser charge of Manslaughter, then throw the book at him. The media has no right to pick and choose who they wish to try and sentence openly in the public. As mentioned by others here before, Richard Jewell comes to mind. They destroyed that man’s life for many years to follow the incident. They have essentially yelled “FIRE” in a crowded theater….again!

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    • robert
      Posted on April 24, 2012 at 3:07pm

      GONZO
      “Of course the martin’s will sue him for wrongful death so, even when the criminal trial is over, he’s still got a civil case against him.”

      Good point, but Z has a case against the pretentious mother as well for inciting riots and libeling him by callimg him a murderer “in cold blood,” if he can get a fair jury or judge. If honest, either one will clear him.

      All the news orgs, certain members of the CBC, Al and Jesse, the NBPP, plus others, incited violence against Zimmerman, so he‘s likely to be a wealthy man if he doesn’t fall into the trap of accepting a plea bargain no matter how miniscule the sentence might be. Richard Jewel became wealthy for the same kind of hatred directed against him.

      What concerns me is that the state of Florida could be sued as well, which could very well cause them to manufacture evidence or commit any number of devious manipulations to get him convicted of…or admit to…. culpability. The political macinery here is almost as corrupt as Chicago.

      I don‘t trust Zimmerman’s lawyer. He’s either incompetent or just dying to make a deal so as not to be maligned by the same people he has to work with…….. and the government.

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    • Trance
      Posted on April 24, 2012 at 6:11pm

      That’s a good point. And since the edited NBC tape was the only way a reasonable person would have to accuse Zimmerman of racism, NBC is the source for the calls for murder.

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    • CharlesMartel
      Posted on April 24, 2012 at 6:22pm

      Actually, thanks to the “Stand your Ground” law, the family cannot sue him. That is one of the most important features of the law: victims who are attacked (and have to shoot) are protected from legal persecution from the perpetrator’s family and the prosecutors. However, there as some prosecutors who skirt the edges of the law.

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    • sacwoodpusher
      Posted on April 26, 2012 at 1:59am

      Not if stand your ground is applied. Then Zimmerman is protected against criminal and civil persecution. (no, that’s not a mistake.)

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  • Teabunny
    Posted on April 24, 2012 at 1:38pm

    oh…and as far as that “shouldn’t have been following him” theory…HE WAS NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH…that IS EXACTLY what he was supposed to do! He was “performing his duty” as a volunteer for his community! Would it have been better, if the neighborhood watch, instead of watching…would have called the cops, taken them from real calls, to watch?

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    • blackyb
      Posted on April 24, 2012 at 3:51pm

      He did call 911. He was in the process when it started going down and Trevon had circled around and Zimmerman did not see him. Zimmerman was at his truck fixing to get into it when Trevon sucker punched him. Still wondering if that Tea was in plastic or glass. There will not be a civil case either because he had a right to stand his ground according to Florida Law. They may try to sue Florida, but they will need some “luck” with that. This is a state thing and Obama and Holder needs to take a hike. Obama needs his citizenship to be President and we need someone in the Justice Department who is not a criminal running guns to Mexico. They need to be in jail themselves and stay out of everyones’ business.

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    • robert
      Posted on April 24, 2012 at 5:30pm

      Teabunny
      Posted on April 24, 2012 at 1:38pm
      “oh…and as far as that “shouldn’t have been following him” theory…HE WAS NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH…that IS EXACTLY what he was supposed to do!”

      Exactly right. Anyone out at 2 a.m. in the morning messing about the club house and residences needed to be monitored then, and they need to be monitored right now if it occurs again.

      Note that most people and the MSM aren’t even considering that there are TWO eye witnesses who saw Martin on top of Zim beating him in the face, while he was screaming for help.

      The perp was casing places to add to his jewelry connection and became enraged when he was spotted by Zim. He took off running, circled around, came back and blasted the watchman in the face.

      http://www.wagist.com/2012/dan-linehan/evidence-that-trayvon-martin-doubled-back

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  • blackyb
    Posted on April 24, 2012 at 1:37pm

    I will not go so far as to say it was even unethical what that Trevon was shot, because if my life was in danger and I had a gun that could be used agains me, then I would have to protect my life. So I cannot see the unethical part. That is something Zimmerman and God will have to work out and the U.S. Justice Department and Obama are not God. Obama is not even likely a citizen. He put Holder in that position for some reason. He knows something the general public does not. It is part of his agenda.

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  • Teabunny
    Posted on April 24, 2012 at 1:32pm

    haven’t checked this out fully yet…anyone care to do some leg work?
    Trayvon Martin 100% Thug – New Pics
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tS81XJofwfU&feature=endscreen&NR=1

    a few links…in comment section.

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    • EqualJustice
      Posted on April 24, 2012 at 1:38pm

      That’s about right.. Obama’s “could be” son…. a THUG and not as innocent as the 12 year old presented in the photo used to rev up the anger. Nothing should have been said or done UNTIL the investigation was COMPLETE and ALL the FACTS were out there. Blacks decided the narrative and the outcome!

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  • marine249
    Posted on April 24, 2012 at 1:31pm

    To the special prosecutor it’s time to
    go back to school

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    • RJJinGadsden
      Posted on April 24, 2012 at 1:48pm

      She was just elected to her post this past November. As new as she is I suspect there is other political pressure being put on her. She is a Republican though, and apparently one with little to no backbone. She certainly would have been better off to have allowed this to go to the Grand Jury. That would likely have brought what ever is going to happen to fruition even sooner. This could possibly be a delaying tactic while hoping for a cooling off period giving the race baiters time to become distracted by the next built up incident. Sorry way to run a justice system.

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    • Teabunny
      Posted on April 24, 2012 at 3:00pm

      may I introduce the term “RINO” to the conversation? you know, there are progressives in both parties…and to get appointed, the judge would have to “deal” with both sides (or the one agenda, pushed by the 2 sides, to give the illusion that America is still America. try starting a 3rd party…see who comes down on ya!)

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    • Dismayed Veteran
      Posted on April 24, 2012 at 3:44pm

      Maybe she is smart. Maybe she knows 2nd degree murder will be thrown out and Zimmerman set free. Maybe she thought manslaughter could be tried. Maybe she is one of the “good guys”. I am no lawyer so I don’t know. Just maybe….

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    • hidden_lion
      Posted on April 24, 2012 at 4:58pm

      The republican party is full of commies too, just look who has sponsored all the recent thefts of our rights in the form of bills…..Bunch of filthy traitors.

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    • RJJinGadsden
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 2:07am

      I agree whole heartedly, this prosecutor is a RINO and will loose her next election. The trouble is, she just took her post this past January. More of this crap to come.

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  • blackyb
    Posted on April 24, 2012 at 1:29pm

    Even liberals are getting sick of the Marxists and race baiters.

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  • godlovinmom
    Posted on April 24, 2012 at 1:26pm

    I feel VERY sorry for Mr. Zimmerman…the day Trayvon step on his property…two lives we’re lost that day.

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    • encinom
      Posted on April 24, 2012 at 1:38pm

      Trayvon never stepped on Zimmerman’s property, he walking though a development where he was staying. Zimmerman was in a car waiting to play cops and robbers with loaded gun. Zimmerman confronted Trayvon on public grounds, this was not self defense, unless you would argue the Trayvon confronted an armed stalker.

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    • blackyb
      Posted on April 24, 2012 at 1:39pm

      The day Obama came into office is when all these people decided to stand against the Constitution and there will be many more lives lost if they do not stand down and keep the laws of this land. They have options to leave or be subject to extreme measures.

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    • Redwood Elf
      Posted on April 24, 2012 at 1:41pm

      Technically it wasn’t “his” property, but he WAS a member of the neighborhood watch, and had every right to keep an eye on someone he didn’t know who was behaving suspiciously (Most people don’t “hang around” in the rain…usually they walk straight to where they want to go to get out of the dang rain!) – If the eyewitnesses are to be believed, Martin jumped Zimmerman and was beating him up.

      You beat someone who has a gun on them just for following you in the rain, you take your chances.

      From what we’ve heard so far, Martin was a dropout druggie punk who, like many teenage males, likely had some kind of macho belief that he had to be an alpha-male, and picked the wrong person to act on that belief with.

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    • mickgringo
      Posted on April 24, 2012 at 1:50pm

      As usual, Commie-Nom, this will not stand! Back to the shallow end of the pool, troll-baby….

      Sincerely,

      Lebowksi’s Little Acheivers

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    • Redwood Elf
      Posted on April 24, 2012 at 1:53pm

      ENCINOM: So if someone is pounding your head into the pavement, fighting back isn’t in Self Defense? We’ll keep that in mind if we see someone beating you.

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    • Gonzo
      Posted on April 24, 2012 at 2:06pm

      Redwood, Encinom would first apologize for slavery and then: Thank you sir, may I have another.

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    • encinom
      Posted on April 24, 2012 at 2:10pm

      Redwood Elf
      Posted on April 24, 2012 at 1:53pm
      ENCINOM: So if someone is pounding your head into the pavement, fighting back isn’t in Self Defense? We’ll keep that in mind if we see someone beating you.
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      Zimmerman Stalked Trayvon, Trayvon has the same right to defend himself from a stalker as any other person, or for conservatives is the right to self defense determined by the skin tone of the parties?

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    • oldguy49
      Posted on April 24, 2012 at 2:18pm

      encinom………………..if someone is following me i would ask why,the conversation would clear up any misunderstandings………i also have a carry and live in florida and if you did also you may ask………….why would i physically assault someone if i have a gun……….so who did the assaulting?

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    • RJJinGadsden
      Posted on April 24, 2012 at 2:22pm

      ENCINOM(AN), since you have already tried and convicted Zimmerman, tell us your sentence as well. I also suggest that since you have all of the evidence needed to convict this man, please turn it over to the State Of Florida’s Dept of Justice. That will close this case quickly and you will have attained YOUR GOAL. Not actual justice. Frankly, you are listening to the race baiters, the media that has now admitted to electronically altering evidence for the public’s consumption, and you are making this up in your mind. Again, as I have said before, I look for the truth to come out. Also, in my humble opinion this was a chance meeting of a wannabe policeman disguised as neighborhood watch and an actual street thug that resulted in this tragedy.

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    • Redwood Elf
      Posted on April 24, 2012 at 2:47pm

      ENCINOM: At the risk of being accused of poor sportsmanship for engaging in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent, Martin was being followed, not stalked. It wasn’t his neighborhood, and being followed does NOT give you the right to jump on top of someone and bash their head into the pavement.

      Get a clue. There is ample evidence that Zimmerman isn’t a racist (Just search for “Zimmerman Defends Black Homeless Man”) – he pressed for prosecution of the son of a policeman for brutatlity against a black homeless man – The attacker was, in fact, the son of one of the policeman that let him go after he shot Martin.

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    • blackyb
      Posted on April 24, 2012 at 3:46pm

      Ecinom: One of the two was acting in an official capacity as community watch. Guess which one that was. Trevon was used to beebopping around in his own neighborhood and not getting stopped or asked anything. He thought he was too good to be questioned by authority. They do not want to recognize authority because of the lying rhetoric he had been handed down through the years. His own people killed him because they encouraged an attitude that puts people in an early grave.

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    • RJJinGadsden
      Posted on April 24, 2012 at 3:48pm

      ENCINOM(AN), So what if Zimmrman followed Martin. Having a LE background myself I would expect somebody acting in the capacity of a neighborhood watch especially after a number of suspicious recent break ins in the area to keep an eye on a suspicious looking person. Now before you attempt to tell me that the 911 operator “Ordered” him not to follow a suspect, they by Florida law do not have the capacity that a police officer does to order somebody to do or not do something. But, Zimmerman stated that he was on his way back to his vehicle when attacked. Do either of us know if that is the truth? No, neither of us actually do. You speak as though YOU want him to be guilty of a crime. I want the truth to come out if there is a crime, it should be dealt with correctly. Nobody needs to root for an outcome in a criminal proceeding as if you are rooting for a favorite football team.

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    • Bill Rowland
      Posted on April 24, 2012 at 4:42pm

      ENCINOM why don’t we hear the crayinf, gnashing of teeth and chest beating when a group of blacks hospitalize and rob a white on the satreet in Baltimore or when a black mob attacks a white man on his porch and hospitalizes him?
      Me thinks there is a double standard to your reasoning.
      I am reminded on the lady in Dallas (she had a CHL) who had her purse snatched by a black youth reaching thru her open car window. She shot him in the buttocks. When the officer asked her why she shot him in the buttocks she replied “That wasn’t what I aimed at”.
      At least in Texas I am allowed to defend my property and both the Castle Docterine and Stand your Ground apply

      OMG 2012.

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    • wildbill_b
      Posted on April 24, 2012 at 6:04pm

      Enicom
      How would Trayvon KNOW Zimmerman was armed? He certainly did not hear it on the news like YOU did?
      Why was Trayvon wandering around a PRIVATE ‘gated’ community in the middle of the night?
      Who snuck up and blindsided who?
      Are you really this stupid or is it just an act?

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    • robert
      Posted on April 24, 2012 at 6:12pm

      encinom
      Posted on April 24, 2012 at 2:10pm
      “Zimmerman Stalked Trayvon, Trayvon has the same right to defend himself from a stalker as any other person, or for conservatives is the right to self defense determined by the skin tone of the parties?”

      Why are you pretending to protect “skin tone?” You don‘t give a rat’s ass about it. You’re just running your mouth, because you naively and gullibly perceive it to be some advantage to your agenda, which is the same agenda of every flake, oddball and misfit in the country.

      If the black punk had not attacked Zim by blasting him in the face, he would be alive today. The job of a neighborhood watchman is to monotor suspicious activity. Following at a distance is “observing” and doesn’t justify attacking someone and smashing his head into concrete.

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  • Ron_WA
    Posted on April 24, 2012 at 1:25pm

    I doubt this case makes it to trial; it will likely be thrown out.

    Even if it goes to trial I‘m certain there will never be a conviction – too much reasonable doubt & evidence supporting Zimmerman’s account.

    This prosecutor didn’t let this go to a grand jury ‘cuz she knew they would not refer it for trial.

    This is going to get ugly when Zimmerman is acquitted.

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    • scuba13
      Posted on April 24, 2012 at 2:46pm

      If he does get acquitted the DOJ and Eric Holder will swoop in and charge him , just like they did with the police who were acquitted for beating Rodney King.

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  • Schmuckatelli1997
    Posted on April 24, 2012 at 1:24pm

    There is one simple question to be asked here and it is “Did GZ fear for his life” All the evidence that I have read and seen brings me to the comclusion that he did. With that being said when you read stand your ground laws and selfdefense laws the only requirement to be justified is that you were in fear of your life being taken. I for one would be in fear of my life being taken if someone was smashing my head against the ground. I will say this too I read a couple of comments the other day where someone said that even if his head was being smashed against the ground TM was unarmed GZ overreacted. I have CWP and one thing that was drilled into me by my instructor was don’t put yourself in a situation to have your weapon taken from you by an assailant. I believe that is probably what GZ was thinking when he shot TM. He did not want to be knocked out and then have his own weapon used on him. Anyway thats is just my opinion.

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    • Ron_WA
      Posted on April 24, 2012 at 9:51pm

      100% agree this comes down to whether Z-man feared for his life which will never be conclusively proven but it certainly appears the person heard crying for help was in fear for their life & given the evidence leaked thru the media so far Z-man was in position to fear for his life …

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  • Teabunny
    Posted on April 24, 2012 at 1:21pm

    you did a story about the cake (in poor taste) to depict female genital mutilations in sweden…well, follow-up
    Swedish bomb threat after ‘racist cake’ controversy
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/art/art-news/9210826/Swedish-bomb-threat-after-racist-cake-controversy.html

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    • Redwood Elf
      Posted on April 24, 2012 at 1:34pm

      But I thought only AMERICANS could be Racist?

      Anyway, who actually baked the cake? Was it someone from Africa who did it to protest female genital mutilation as the caption seems to imply? Even if they WERE an ethnic African, I’d still classify it as a “Really dumb idea” by someone who was either criminally ignorant of modern reactionary Political Correctness, was deliberately trying to provoke this reaction, or just plain brain damaged.

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    • Teabunny
      Posted on April 24, 2012 at 1:46pm

      I agree, poor taste. I even get the creeps watching tom petty don’t come around here no more (one of my fav tunes) with the mock cannibalism associated with the alice in wonderland cake (or for that fact..last dance with mary jane, mock necrophilia…weird dude!)

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    • Aviyah
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 1:51am

      No Redwood Elf. Haven’t you heard? We’ve gone global now and according to the popular narrative all Caucasian folks are racist and the world would have been a MUCH better place if we would have left everyone to their mud huts and mules for transportation of 5000 years ago.

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  • Optimist4now
    Posted on April 24, 2012 at 1:20pm

    Racism is alive today because the REAL RACISTS would be out of jobs if everyone got along. This trial is not about race, it’s about a devisive racist agenda — not much being said about the beatings of white victims by black perps. BHO, EH, AS, JJ shut up, sit down, and let the rule of law decide this case.

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  • blackyb
    Posted on April 24, 2012 at 1:15pm

    Where are my posts?

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  • blackyb
    Posted on April 24, 2012 at 1:12pm

    The govenors of the state where Zimmerman is tried should call out the national guard and dare that bunch to bully a verdict that is just against Zimmerman. Zimmerman should never have been charged with second degree murder. The state of Florida gave the “stand your ground law” and may not change the rules in the middle of the game. The man was on duty as a watch official going about his committment. He had a right to inquire, especially when he was there for that purpose. Trevon was likely trying to make a name for himself (he sure did that, didn’t he?) and proceeded to use the rhetoric he has heard down through the years to disrespect authority, especially someone a lighter shade than himself. Had Trevon answered a few questions instead of attacking Zimmerman, this mess would not have ever happened. Put the blame where it goes. Zimmerman was where he was doing a duty he was committed to. So who looks at fault here? Zimmerman has the law to back him up, so who is going to appease a bunch of lawless people because they mob up? Stand your own ground. If you need more help, call out the national guard. This is your state and the laws are your own. If you cannot stand behind them, then don’t make them.

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    • Amarath01
      Posted on April 24, 2012 at 8:17pm

      “The state of Florida gave the “stand your ground law” and may not change the rules in the middle of the game. ”
      In an act of violence against one self the “stand your ground” law doesn’t even apply, in every state you have the right to defend oneself against death, with violence (not perceived , actual violence) Therefore, if Trayvon was shot after the start of the physical altercation (and not started by oneself) he has the right to defend himself. How some laws still pertain to how one does this but there are no limiting laws in FL. But the “stand your ground” law doesn’t even come to play in this case.

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  • sillyfreshness
    Posted on April 24, 2012 at 1:12pm

    The Bolshevik media was trying to stir up the black community against whitey and it worked. Now we are close to being on the verge of a race war. This war won’t happen until our Bolshevik government bans firearms and all the stupid white people run down to their local police station to turn in their guns. Then after that happens, we’ll have that race war that the Bolshevik media has been dreaming up for several decades.

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  • SpankDaMonkey
    Posted on April 24, 2012 at 1:12pm

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    Free George!!!!!…………

    And when he goes free, we can watch the Africans burn down their neighborhoods, and add the fuel to start a Race War…..That‘s Kill’in in the Streets, for you PC White Guilt Obama Voting Morons…..

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    • blackyb
      Posted on April 24, 2012 at 1:34pm

      Then there will be consequences for those who burn and riot. It is time to stop.

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  • KickinBack
    Posted on April 24, 2012 at 1:12pm

    He’ll never convicted on murder 2, and ‘ol Al and Jesse are going to push for race riots when he’s not.

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    • Gonzo
      Posted on April 24, 2012 at 1:31pm

      You can count on that. Let’s just hope they burn their own neighborhoods like they usually do.

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    • Ron_WA
      Posted on April 24, 2012 at 1:32pm

      That’s a foregone conclusion. They & the other race-baiters will stir the masses & anarchists into a frenzy. They’ll stir in some white-supremist BS to further inflame the hatred.

      POTUS & other national leaders will need to step up to calm things but I’m not feeling too confident they will rise to the challenge.

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    • Gonzo
      Posted on April 24, 2012 at 1:43pm

      Obama? calm things? He might try to put out the flames with gasoline.

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    • mickgringo
      Posted on April 24, 2012 at 1:45pm

      Dude sez let it burn… just as long as they don’t mess Aloma Lanes; Donny, Walter and I are rolling there in a few weeks and a burnt out bowling alley will mess with my karma. Also, note to the future rioters in the Sanford FL area: Don’t F*** with De-Jesus! He‘ll be rolling there too and he don’t take kindly to gas or matches… it messes with his hairnet. Bunny! Where’s my black russian?

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    • CatB
      Posted on April 24, 2012 at 1:53pm

      Obama and his regime are the ones fanning the flames .. they are not going to calm anything down .. or they could have long before now .. they are the ones pushing for violence .. they just use useful idiots.

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  • alexegz30
    Posted on April 24, 2012 at 1:09pm

    This was explained clearly and with enough common sense to see the right and wrong of what has transpired so far. However, those who are calling for the murder of a man based on the color of his skin care nothing for common sense or the law. They are looking for an excuse to attack mindlessly, despite the fact that Zimmerman is not white, but hispanic.

    This is just another gathering of useful idiots to cause as much destruction as possible. Those who continue to let themselves get used should remember that once law and order are gone, the aggitators are the first to be eliminated by those in power. If you want justice, put pressure on your elected officials to follow the rule of law. Otherwise, you are just sowing the seeds to your own destruction.

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    • Redwood Elf
      Posted on April 24, 2012 at 1:16pm

      The press actually invented a new “race” of course…“White Hispanic” – because their darling Al Sharpton had already jumped in with both feet and the story already had momentum. Once they’d opened the can of worms with the label “Hate Crime” on it, they were mindlessly drooling like Pavlov‘s Dog over the help this story could give to Obama’s re-election campaign.

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    • Elena2010
      Posted on April 24, 2012 at 1:30pm

      I guess that makes Obama Black-White then LOL

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    • CatB
      Posted on April 24, 2012 at 2:00pm

      I prefer for Obama .. white / black … just because I know it would tick him and his supporters off EVEN more .. afterall he was raised by his white mother and white grandparents .. who were “typical”.

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  • pap pap
    Posted on April 24, 2012 at 1:08pm

    No matter where you take this case the race baiters will be there in bus loads. I don‘t know if he’s guilty of anything or not but he will never get a fair trial. I feel sorry for him.

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    • blackyb
      Posted on April 24, 2012 at 1:23pm

      Then the race baiters who threaten society will have to be dealt with in a manner that will keep the public safe. If they want to die, then they call it. Most of them are too sorry to work, so do they want to die? I doubt it. This bull stuff has gone on long enough and if the law is not standing then if this goes on for another few years, there will be no law and future generations will have an even greater problem to deal with. Stop it now.

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  • Redwood Elf
    Posted on April 24, 2012 at 1:06pm

    Keep in mind that a bail hearing is not an arraignment. Usually the Arraignment comes first of course. Is there any information about the actual arraignment, or has there even been one yet? That’s where the prosecution and defense present their initial evidence and the judge decides whether the evidence is sufficient for the case to go to trial and the defendant enters their plea. THAT is the stage where, if the evidence was insufficient, it should have been thrown out.

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    • RJJinGadsden
      Posted on April 24, 2012 at 1:17pm

      Zimmerman’s arraignment is set for 29 May.

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    • GOGUINZ
      Posted on April 24, 2012 at 1:21pm

      Pretty sure I saw something saying they’ve pushed the arraignment up from May 29th to May 8th or 9th

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    • RJJinGadsden
      Posted on April 24, 2012 at 1:38pm

      GOGUINZ, Thanks, been out of touch on this lately.

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    • marine249
      Posted on April 24, 2012 at 1:43pm

      Redwood you are right up to a point.
      the defense‘s doesn’t need to do anything
      it’s up to the state to prove to the judge
      that there is a good likelyhood that the state will win
      with the evidence they have.

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    • Ron_WA
      Posted on April 24, 2012 at 1:47pm

      Yes araignment was moved up to 08 MAY. He does not have to appear in person his lawyer will enter the plea.

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    • Redwood Elf
      Posted on April 24, 2012 at 2:12pm

      Well of COURSE they’re moving everything forward as fast as possible…have to get this to trial in time for the election rallies, after all..

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    • MCDAVE
      Posted on April 24, 2012 at 7:36pm

      as I have posted before, Zimmerman ‘s attorney should stall this trial until after elections..he can not receive a fair trial while so many seek a political advantage from this event…

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    • Ron_WA
      Posted on April 24, 2012 at 9:59pm

      Obama’s reaction may be a blessing in disguise … if he acts or fails to act as most on this site believe he will it could give the ammo needed to prove he has been so divisive, on the wrong side of what’s good for this Nation & an impotent leader – it could push many to vote against him (I can only hope).

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  • blackyb
    Posted on April 24, 2012 at 1:05pm

    Professor Dershowitz is absolutely right. He is the one who should be teaching Constitutional rights not the likes of Marxist leaning dregs like Obama. Professor Dershowitz at least has the ability to know the intent and Spirit in what the laws were made to protect against.This man has some spine too. He reads law and is not applying it to make it look one way or the other. He is telling the truth.

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    • 3monkeysmomma
      Posted on April 24, 2012 at 1:11pm

      FYI: Dershowitz is a liberal.
      What does THAT tell you about how far to the left this county has moved?

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    • blackyb
      Posted on April 24, 2012 at 1:27pm

      It makes no difference if he is a liberal. Zimmerman should never have been charged period.

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  • CatB
    Posted on April 24, 2012 at 1:02pm

    What county are they going to move it to? .. .it would have to be majority black or they will scream and yell and threaten about that …mob rule is alive and well.

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    • blackyb
      Posted on April 24, 2012 at 3:41pm

      Well, mob rule can just as easily be dead and unmoving if that is the route they want to take. We owe them nothing.

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  • lukerw
    Posted on April 24, 2012 at 12:58pm

    There is nothing… unethical… that the Radicals will not do!

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    • blackyb
      Posted on April 24, 2012 at 1:47pm

      If they want to play street, then everyone has to play street. They get back more than they send, they are either going to stop it or none of them will be as safe as none of us are. The law will prevail one way or the other.

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    • TerryDo
      Posted on April 24, 2012 at 4:36pm

      This quote speaks to minority rights:

      “The smallest minority on earth is the individual.
      Those who deny individual rights cannot
      claim to be defenders of minorities.”
      - Ayn Rand

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  • HKS
    Posted on April 24, 2012 at 12:54pm

    Everybody knows what this is, a racist witch hunt that will fail. Holder is about to get his head handed to him again.

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    • CatB
      Posted on April 24, 2012 at 1:00pm

      Zimmerman has 4 safehouses set up for him and his wife and will be moving from house to house (on local news this morning) threats and vile statements seem to be running the justice system in this case and … yes .. the Florida govenment has caved to the racists (who want him killed) .. I pray he stays safe .. then they find a fair jury who has the balls to not convict.

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    • momrules
      Posted on April 24, 2012 at 1:06pm

      CATB……….you are there. Please keep us updated about what is happening. I trust you more than any media source.

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    • Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
      Posted on April 24, 2012 at 1:15pm

      @HSK – Don’t count on it with Holder, that man has no morals or ethics at all, other than pursuit of the radical ends by any means needed, even if a innocent man has to be sacrificed by them. This administration has people in it that have stated on C-Span that “if a few thousand people have to die then so be it, people count for nothing; the goals are all that matter.”

      This is in regard to the direction Obama started taking the nation in 09′.

      @CatB – please keep us updated, I pray for God to keep him safe; as even if he is cleared completely in a trial someone among the radicals will still try to collect that bounty on his head offered by the NBPP.

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    • CatB
      Posted on April 24, 2012 at 1:59pm

      @MOM and SNOW

      I will … I trust the local media ..slightly more than the national .. they report things the national does not pick up.

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