Desmond Tutu: George Bush, Tony Blair Must ‘Answer for Their Actions’ at International Criminal Court
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Nobel Peace Prize Laureate Desmond Tutu, described by Barack Obama as a “moral titan” in 2009, called Sunday for George W. Bush and Tony Blair to face prosecution at the International Criminal Court (ICC) for their respective roles in the 2003 invasion of Iraq.
Tutu, the retired Anglican Church’s archbishop of South Africa, wrote in an op-ed piece for The Observer newspaper that the ex-leaders of Britain and the United States should be made to “answer for their actions,” claiming the Iraq war has destabilized and polarized the world “to a greater extent than any other conflict in history.”
(Related: Michelle Obama Does Sit Ups, Push Ups, and Plays Soccer With…Desmond Tutu)
“Those responsible for this suffering and loss of life should be treading the same path as some of their African and Asian peers who have been made to answer for their actions in the Hague,” Tutu asserted.
He continued: “The then-leaders of the U.S. and U.K. fabricated the grounds to behave like playground bullies and drive us further apart. They have driven us to the edge of a precipice where we now stand — with the specter of Syria and Iran before us.”
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“The question is not whether Saddam Hussein was good or bad or how many of his people he massacred. The point is that Mr Bush and Mr Blair should not have allowed themselves to stoop to his immoral level,” Tutu added.
While the International Criminal Court can handle cases of genocide, war crimes, and crimes against humanity, it does not currently have the jurisdiction to prosecute crimes of aggression. Furthermore, the U.S. is among the nations which do not recognize the authority of the International Criminal Court.
In response to Tutu, Blair said he had great respect for the archbishop’s work to tackle apartheid in South Africa, but accused him of repeating inaccurate criticisms of the Iraq war.
“To repeat the old canard that we lied about the intelligence is completely wrong as every single independent analysis of the evidence has shown,” Blair said. “And to say that the fact that [Saddam Hussein] massacred hundreds of thousands of his citizens is irrelevant to the morality of removing him is bizarre.”
Blair said that “in a healthy democracy people can agree to disagree,” but Tutu seemingly feels otherwise.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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Posted on September 2, 2012 at 8:18pmIf not for the formerly great nations that Blair and Bush lead, Desmond Tutu would be living in a tree eating bugs and speaking in clicks and grunts. Desmond should get down on his knees and thank god for these brave men.
Report Post »Watermain
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 8:41pmWell said.
Report Post »pwatkins
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 9:06pmAmen!
Report Post »commonsenseguy
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 9:15pmtotally freaking agree !!! but like the rest of the world,they believe that they are entitled to every thing that America can give them,but they want to speak the hate and want to bring her down, what they forget or are to stupid to realize is with America he and the rest of the world would way worse off than they ever where.
Report Post »conservativeone
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 8:16pmTell You What TUTU … Send the International Court to the United States and try and arrest Our Former President.
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 8:31pmHere is the way I see it:
If they try to take Pres Bush for war crimes; then they have to do the same for Mr Obama, as he has armed international drug cartels w/fast and furious. Supported radicals and terrorist groups to win in Libya, helped the Muslim Brotherhood win in Egypt…
So Obama is thus a violator of international law by engaging in a unauthorized war of Libya; supporting international terrorism and international crime syndications. Thus if he authorizes the trial of Bush by the international court; Obama and his entire administration have to face trial as well.
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 8:32pmForgot to add:
If the international court wants to get into our business and our sovreign territory; they forget, WE the PEOPLE, have the 2nd Amendment option.
Report Post »Max jones
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 8:51pmAll of this is the international crazies looking to Obama to ascend the global throne. There is no justice in their minds. Their only problem with bush or blair is that they bucked the system and started to look out for there own nation’s interests and not the globalist agenda. Many people have been killed for less.
Report Post »barber2
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 8:59pmSNOW : agree. America a sovereign nation . Can you imagine joining this so-called International UN Crowd ? The Crowd that allows Syria and Libya, etc. to be on the Human Rights Commission ? This is the most dysfunctional political group ever, Like the New York Times, they should only be allowed to do charity / human interest articles . They do not have the common sense to handle internal policies. Can’t wait to get Mr. International Obama ( remember that speech in Germany ? The guy wants to rule the world. His African dad, his Marxist mentors, and his Indonesian years have made him far more tied to the Soros International set than to the American culture . Bad deal )
Report Post »barber2
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 9:01pmMAX: Exactly. Obama is an internationalist . We need an American in the White House . NOBAMA 2012 NO DEMOCRATS 2012
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 9:06pmRev Desmond Tutu from hero to zero.
Mugabe has committed mass atrocities. South Africa is falling apart. Does Tut criticise the leaders there as loudly as Bush & Blair? No!
If you watched network news (ABC, NBC, CBS or FOX) in the late 1990s, you saw weapons inspectors being yanked around by the Saddam regime. If you listened to Senators Hillary Clinton & John Kerry, you heard them say that Iraq had to be stopped.
When & if the Iraqi WMDs are found in Syria will Demsond Tutu apologize?
Report Post »dealer@678
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 9:21pmScrew that little munchken
Report Post »Gold Coin & Economic News
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 9:38pmEvery time these opportunist Obama bu** kissers speak, they set 1,000 or more voters free from the liberal mental hospital. Go Bishop Tutu, you speak quite well for the bankrupt socialist agenda and are the best cure for the pandemic of liberalism.
Report Post »yourfriend
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 9:38pmFU, Tutu!
Report Post »Wool-Free Vision
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 10:50pmWhat’s that Aunt-Jemima-looking MF’er gonna do about it, mix up some pancakes? Go to hell, and take your “international community” with you. Tutu forgets that, without US, the UN is an ineffectual, insignificant body of ineffectual, insignificant pi55ants.
Report Post »sillyfreshness
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 10:54pmIt is true, the Iraq was was launched on false pretenses and lies. It became a politically correct nation building effort that has no end in sight. Now it’s moved on to Afghanistan. The war had bankrupted America. I think we’ve had enough. Bush went into Iraq because he had a personal vendetta against Saddam, because Saddam tried to assassinate his dad 10 years earlier. That’s not a good enough reason to waste all those American lives.
Report Post »grimmster
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 10:59pmYes, let the U.N. come for Bush, I have a few suprises for them,and it aint candy bars….
Report Post »I truelly hope that U.N. troops sets foot on American soil,it will be one way to desolve the UN.
Vasbyt
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 11:15pmTutu is a communist in caholic clothing. I can tell you being fom South Africa that this fool s a very dangerous man, and has fooled the world with his fake catholisism. He stood arm in arm wih communist killers in Soth Africa. Watch these videos:
Report Post »http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAqXOfJQQTE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVVgjonw3wM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvZL91yVA2Q&feature=relmfu
inblack
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 11:34pmWhat a joke – the US put Tutu in power by demonizing the previous govt.
Report Post »This just goes to show that anyone the US helps ends up despising the US.
Wango
Posted on September 3, 2012 at 12:49amSNOW . . .Well then you’re gonna have to dig up Ronnie and slap some leg irons on Ollie North.
Report Post »Detroit paperboy
Posted on September 3, 2012 at 12:49amTu tu is full of du du…………………
Report Post »ssfloatnfly
Posted on September 3, 2012 at 1:18amthis sonsabitch needs to stfu cause africa is afu thanks to gettin rid of dawhite man. No, don’t believe? Look at the **** hole now since whitey left! Thats all IYES gotstasayboutdat! After all go see ablammer 2012. His own Kenyan brother GEORGE. Again words taken right from the mouth of George himself ! Just like OBLAMER’s speaches, spoken words on recorded video/tape…
The biggest crime to hghtumanity besides genocide of the Jewish people by Hitler is the lies told by the demonicrats to the black man about republicans! Martin Luther King was a republican. Kennedy was killed by his own party. In 1959 Republican President Dwight D Eisenhower. Civil Rightd act of 1959 under Eisenhower was voted down by democrat lead senate like harry reid today it was LBJ!
Report Post »LBJ and John Kennedy voted No for the CIVIL RIGHTS ACT of 1959!!! they controlled the house and didn’t want republican to get credit.Ever heard of DIXIECRATS? DEM GOV George Wallace “Segregation now Segregation tommorow, Segregation FOREVER!!!” There lies the lies
Chuck Stein
Posted on September 3, 2012 at 2:23amWell said, Walkabout. Well said.
Report Post »This also adds to the heap of evidence that the Nobel Peace Prize is a total joke. BTW — can’t blame the Swedes for that one: the Norwegians hand out the peace prize, while the Swedes handle all of the other Nobel prizes.
richauthor
Posted on September 3, 2012 at 2:56amCan you say “Oathkeepers?”
Report Post »richauthor
Posted on September 3, 2012 at 3:01amOne-world… smells like Soros to me.
Report Post »chalkdust
Posted on September 3, 2012 at 6:23amIf Bush and Blair are guilty then so are the rest of the world that agreed that Iraq had WMD’s. France, Germany, Spain, Canada just to name a few. Let’s not forget current and former members of congress including Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and heads of intelligence agencies from around the world. The list is getting long Desmond. Even members of the clergy some times have diarrhea of the mouth. Such righteous indignation from those who somehow think that Iraq was better off under Saddam and his sadistic sons.
Report Post »techengineer11
Posted on September 3, 2012 at 8:19amAlthough I don’t care for Tooty or his International court by mere definition both Bush and Blair are indeed War criminals and should be executed for their crimes against humanity.
Report Post »Capt_Gregg
Posted on September 3, 2012 at 9:04am@ssfloatnfly
Not how I worded it, but your comments are accurate.
Once the European colonial powers pulled out of Africa, it became a cauldren of tribal warfare with corrupt, incompetent “governments.”
In our own country, only the Republican party can show a long history of supporting civil rights.
Report Post »ERP
Posted on September 3, 2012 at 11:43amHey TUTU.
You’ll have to try and get through me first you bastard. I think I can take you.
Report Post »Brasil2520
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 8:16pmWhat Tutu or anyone in the ANC don’t talk about is the high rate of black on white crime, since the fall of South Africa in the 1990′s crime is up unemployment is up, how is this all black hope and change gov’t progress ?
Tutu just like J. Jackson, Sharpton just blame the white man, blacks have controlled South Africa for 20 years, so why is life for blacks and whites worse ?
Answer: Blacks can’t manage a rock fight !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXIEqX7aB9U&feature=related
Report Post »Watermain
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 8:32pmHaven’t heard much from the Rev. Jackson lately. Probably busy helping his son recover. He and the Rev. Wright will no doubt surface soon supplying America with their version of Christianity…
Report Post »Sgt_Rock
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 9:24pmBrasil…you forgot to mention what an outstanding job they’ve done in Zimbabwe (Rhodesia). I visited Rhodesia in the 70′s as a contractor, it was a thriving country. Now it’s just another 3rd world toilet.
Report Post »Brasil2520
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 9:40pmSGT ROCK
Over the years I have written often about Zimbabwe, I remember back in the yearly 1990″s when they started killing white farmers and taking their land, the New York Times wrote about this and put that report on the back page, at about the same time Bush One was pushing for the end of white rule in SA, now look at South Africa today, it looks like – GASP ! – Chicago.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gP3EKImCt6M
Report Post »quiltgal
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 8:10pmTony Blair didn’t quite get it right. Tutu’s views are beyond bizarre. They’re absolutely senile. Time for Tutu to say ta ta and retire.
Report Post »termyt
Posted on September 3, 2012 at 8:50amI would have respect for him if his views included outrage for Obama’s assassination drones or how he botched intervention in Egypt and Libya – all after he was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize based on his “potential.”
Now, it seems, Tutu is just another political hack whose greatest accomplishment is a prize rendered meaningless.
Report Post »Capt_Gregg
Posted on September 3, 2012 at 10:56amTutu is as divorced from reality as our own Jimmy Carter. Their pontifications are pathetic jokes, and are taken seriously only by those who are equally deranged.
Report Post »barber2
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 8:10pmThe International Left : they have declared on conservatives. Murdoch and Blair in London. Now a repeat of the Blame Bush motif here ? Isn’t he a little day late and a dollar short ? And why isn’t he tackling something he actually could influence : Muslims killing Christians in Nigeria and Egypt ? Syrians killing Syrians ? So tired of the Left. Think I am gaining a better understanding of what slowly caused WWII .
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 8:21pm9/11 had nothing to do with Iraq. Bush never let a crisis go to waste. He invaded a sovereign nation without cause. He is a criminal. Page 335 of the 9/11 Commission Report makes this clear. Zionist Wolfowitz, former author of the Wolfowitz Doctrine, was the first to call for war, use Iraq as a premise for war. His other Zionists fell into line in order to implement their 1996 strategic study for Israel called, “A Clean Break: A New Strategy for securing the Realm.”
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1438.htm
The rest is history, including the taking down of Syria and Iran. You have all been duped by Jewish and non-Jewish Zionists.
Report Post »barber2
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 8:48pmJerk ; and you have been duped by the International Left who , no doubt , would have prosecuted Truman for putting an end to the Emperor’s I Never Surrender War.
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 8:54pmBarber2, everything that I listed can be verified. Nothing you’ve stated can. That’s the difference.
Report Post »Max jones
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 8:56pmBarber we have been doing really well ignoring the jerks. they spew and mis-inform, and don’t add to the content in any rational way…..just sayin’.
Report Post »barber2
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 9:05pmMAX: Agree . I’m through answering their Trolls. They are just here to bully. To annoy. And to insult. Just like the rest of the Obama people. We know their parroted phrases and their pre-packaged/ video propaganda. Their lies and their distractions.
Report Post »Max jones
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 9:07pmI don’t think any of this matters, considering what is scheduled to take place in the next few months. Firstly, there are contingents being formed and equipped to relieve the American public of their gun’s. Secondly, there is the matter of the legitimacy of the coming elections….the vote counting chore has been contracted to a socialist leaning consortium in spain…Spain? Wha?
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 9:07pmMax jones, read your own post and tell us where you’ve added anything of value. You‘re a name caller because that’s all that you can do.
Report Post »barber2
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 9:12pmMAX: Just ignore the Troll. He needs far more attention and he will never listen to the “facts” he cries out for . Somethings are best ignored…..Jerk is one of them…
Report Post »RJJinGadsden
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 9:16pmTHE_JERK, Kill the Jews, Kill the Jews, Kill the Jews, Kill the Jews, or okay, support the Palestinians while they kill all of the Jews, right?
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 9:17pmThe_Jerk
So Senator Hillary Clinton & John Kerry were wrong in saying that Saddam’s antics in frustrating the U.N. weapons inspections had to be dealt with? How were they to be dealt with? Packing our bags & going home? Saying pretty please with a cherry on top? Maybe something to do with knee pads?
Saddam invaded Iran.
“The war began when Iraq invaded Iran, launching a simultaneous invasion by air and land into Iranian territory on 22 September 1980″
Saddam invaded Kuwait.
“The invasion started on August 2, 1990″
Two countries invaded in a decade’s time. That is pretty good.
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 9:24pmWalkabout, hard to complain about Iraq attacking Iran when we were backing Iraq, even while he slaughtered the Kurds. There’s a disconnect in your logic.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 9:27pmWhat types of terrorist groups did Iraq support?
Primarily groups that could hurt Saddam’s regional foes. Iraq has helped the Iranian dissident group Mujahadeen-e-Khalq, the Kurdistan Workers’ Party, a separatist organization fighting the Turkish government, and several far-left Palestinian splinter groups that oppose peace with Israel. Iraq also hosted the mercenary Abu Nidal Organization, whose leader was found dead in Baghdad in August 2002. Saddam was a secular dictator, and his regime generally tended to support secular terrorist groups rather than Islamists such as al-Qaeda, experts say. But Iraq also supported some Islamist Palestinian groups opposed to Israel, and before the 2003 war, the CIA cited Iraq‘s increased support for such organizations as reason to believe that Baghdad’s links to terror could continue to increase.
http://www.cfr.org/iraq/iraq-iraqi-ties-terrorism/p7702
http://www.cfr.org/iraq/terrorism-havens-iraq/p9513
Between supporting the PLO. Invading Kuwait. Evading U.N. weapons inspections, the 2003 Iraq war was justified.
Report Post »barber2
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 9:34pmWALKABOUT : See ? You can not discuss with a Lefty Troll – the whole gang here is all on Steroid Political Messaging. Guess that’s why Soros funded their rants. Too bad the economy is so bad that these kids don’t have real jobs. But God only knows what they would be qualified to do ! They are so brainwashed , maybe a job at MSNBC ? I do give them high marks in dedication. Defending the impossible International / Democrat/ Obama agenda takes some serious hard work. Maybe headquarters pays well ?
Report Post »SILAS
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 9:42pmEvery time “a Jerk” posts irrelevant drivel, I make a $100 donation to a CONSERVATIVE CAUSE.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 9:47pmThe_Jerk
Walkabout, hard to complain about Iraq attacking Iran when we were backing Iraq, even while he slaughtered the Kurds. There’s a disconnect in your logic.
***
Try Again harder troll!
“Iran, in other words, should be befriended if possible, but must above, be contained”
“it’s a pity they [Iran and Iraq] both can’t lose.” -Henry Kissinger
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_War#Foreign_support_to_Iraq_and_Iran
We supported Iraq during the Iran Iraq War. Yes & your point? We did not want Iraq to loose. We did not want them to win.
We supported the Soviet Union during WW2. The soviet Union was a evil country. It is called real world politics.
Telling me that what I already know (that we helped Iraq) is not going to dissuade me. I want peace by I am not going to go about getting some leftard way. So troll on my wayward son.
Report Post »Max jones
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 9:52pmDo we really know that these trolls get paid to hang out and try to soil the air?
Report Post »DIR
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 10:01pm@THE JERK
I think the most important thing you varified here is that you’re nuts. Don’t feel along though, you join the ranks of luminaries like Desmond Tutu who is nothing more than another progressive shill pretending to be a latter day Dalai Lama.
Report Post »Teufel Hunden
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 10:15pmMAX JONES: “Firstly, there are contingents being formed and equipped to relieve the American public of their gun’s.”
Come on Max, you didn’t want to live forever did you??? Aaaaaaaattack!
Report Post »eric6161
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 8:07pmthis moral deviant is saying that after November that Obama should turn himself in for prolonging the war in Iraq and for not destroying the American economy fast enough?
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 8:10pmBush went to Iraq. Bush gave us prescription drug socialism. Bush gave us bailouts. He is every bit as bad as Obama.
Report Post »TRONINTHEMORNING
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 8:20pmNot even close, JERK; Obama is the worst, most destructive ‘leader’ this country has ever had to suffer. Out with the community organizer.
Report Post »chips1
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 8:29pmWe can give him Obama and throw in THE_JERK as a bonus!!!1
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 8:37pmTRONINTHEMORNING, that doesn‘t change the facts that I’ve listed. Not sure what your argument is?
Report Post »Max jones
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 8:42pmThe war between satan and God that has been waged in heaven, and to a lesser extent here on earth, is now being fought mostly here on earth, since ol’ scratch has been dropped on us, just recently. Just remember that all a person needs to work satan’s agenda is to not believe in Christ, that’s all. All the rest are polytheists trying to save themselves. The rush to immorality and deviance is seen by them as a show of force, supporting “democracy” and “individuality”.
Report Post »No man is perfect, but they see themselves as having a perfection of ideology, with which they identify so deeply, that it completely overturns the definition of rationality.
In other words, they are crazy reactionaries with no grasp of reality, or history.
barber2
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 9:10pmMarine: the Jerk , like Joe Friday, is big on ” facts.” To him, that means anything that supports his Obama agenda. Well, his comments prove he did choose his name well. Must be one of those Obama “ victim mentality ” angry boys…
Report Post »Max jones
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 9:12pmTron …please don’t respond to the “jerks” They can’t add to the discussion in any rational way…..just waste of bandwidth.
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 9:27pmBarber2 and Max Jones, look at your last postings and tell us what you’ve added to the discussion. You guys are exactly what you accuse others of being, and are to ignorant to realize it.
Report Post »barber2
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 9:27pmMarine : my comments to Jerk would run along the lines of : I’ll trade you one American Marine any day for one of your anti-American government conspiracy theories. You have Blame Bush. Blame America. Blame the Jews. Blame the Neocons…whatever American.. written all over your posts.
Report Post »Wango
Posted on September 3, 2012 at 12:50amBABAR2 . . . You keep saying you’re done with trolls but all you talk about is trolls. Thought you should know that.
Report Post »WAKEUPUSA2012
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 8:05pmOh but thought it was a conspiracy theroy that Bush and the rest of his gang were charged as war criminals? Rumsfield had to RUN away frm the police in France and barley got on a private haliburton jet before he was arrested. Wish he would have been. There was no reason to go to Iraq, no matter how many of you love Bush, he lied, he cheated, he destoryed. Besides destroying our constutition, he klilled innocent Americans by sending them to Iraq. The “war on terror” is for the average american citizen who loves liberty, and it was Bushes job to sell it to the people,so they would accept it. And we did. Now its Obamas turn to selll us out, and then rommney.
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 8:12pmExactly. Many of these people can’t handle the truth, to quote Jack Nicholson.
Report Post »Recceman90
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 8:15pmAh, he didn’t actually lie. I was there, were you? We found small quantities of WMD (which was one of many reasons for the invasion), the most important reason we went in to Iraq was that it actually would have shown the world that the UN was still an actual authority, since Saddam had violated 17 resolutions all effectively nulling the cease fire from 91. Today, since the UN refused to allow it to uphold it’s mission, Iran now takes those same Resolutions (or Strongly worded letters) and wipes their asses with it! Get you head out of the sand!
Report Post »soybomb315_II
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 8:18pmI really respect someone who has done their homework and understands who they are voting for without putting those blinders on. Thanks WakeupUSA, I wish Romney voters were more like you
Report Post »WAKEUPUSA2012
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 8:45pmIm a equal opportunity criticizer. I will not hold my breath and keep silent when the party that I vote for does wrong. Ill go after the Bush gang just as much as Obama. But even I know the “two parties” are BULL. They work together to undermind our constutition, Ill only vote for Rommney cause I am young and need a chance to make money and have time before the collapse that is coming. I feel under Rommney, we will have a little more time. Obama lied and sold us out. I know Rommney is a puppet, but I need more time and money. Soy I agree with almost everything you and a few others type. We must keep speaking out, even if it means we are showing who we are. I laugh at those who really hate on us. They wont think were so crazy after a while.
WAKEUPUSA2012
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 8:55pmMonk I was very young durning the first war with Iraq. But ive been told of propaganda campaigns where they got young kuwait girls to say that the Iraqi soldiers, after they invaded went into hospitals and threw babies out of incubators and all sorts of ish. Now from what my military buddy said, Iraq invaded kuwait and trashed the place, blew stuff up and destroyed property, but never threw babies out of incubators. He says the government got some of those little girls to lie to justify the war. Now as far as Iraq 2003, im sure it was Bush who felt he had to make up for daddy. It cost of thousands of lives. You know how I feel about wars of aggression. And 911. But at the core of my heart, I dont want our people dying for a lie. For something they thought was noble, but is not.
soybomb315_II
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 8:58pmYo monk
I’m around, whats up?
I read your post. Interested to know how the Iraq/Iran war fits into what you said, since we provided Iraq a lot of weapons and support at the time
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 9:05pmThe Office of Special Plans was set up to massage the intelligence. It was unprecedented. They got rid of career intelligence officers and moved in their Zionist, Jewish, zealots.
Look, Cheney was a JINSA adviser. Wolfowitz called for the war using Iraq as an excuse. Perle and Feith were also in the Pentagon and they set up the Office. The Office fed the information to Wurmser and Libby, and Libby fed it to Miller of the New York Times, who later had to apologize for the misinformation. Miller went to jail to protect Libby.
All are Jews. Most were authors of the study written in 1996 for Israel, “A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm.” In this study they wrote that WMD’s would be used as an excuse for war… this was 1996. WMD’s were never found, because they were never there. We demolished Saddam’s infrastructure and ability in the First Gulf War. All lies.
You’ve been duped.
Report Post »WAKEUPUSA2012
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 9:11pmSure give me some facts buddy, im interested to hear what you have to say.
Report Post »RJJinGadsden
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 9:22pmHi MONK, do some reading back to around 1830 to discover who started purchasing the property from the Ottoman Empire that the British eventually provided as booty to those Arabic people who helped them in WWI. Most brokered by someone who eventually died as an RAF Sergeant. T.E. Lawrence.
Report Post »WAKEUPUSA2012
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 9:29pmYes, yes
The sun never sets on the british empire, as the sane went. The brits were shipping heroin thru the east india trading co to china and messing with other countrys soverignty long before we were.
Max jones
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 9:43pmHey Monk…I read your ‘dissertation’. Yeah I’ve heard this one before, and I’ll grant you it bears consideration.. But, I’ll raise the bet….George and george W, both have had a special place in their hearts for the NWO. I don’t think that either of them ever thought that it would be the, murderous, dictatorial, fascist monstrosity that it looks like today. The forces that are ramrodding this globalist transition, aren’t worried about the past, except how the images affect a certain political viewpoint. In their view George W. was a baaad boy. Set the agenda back a few years. Trying to keep a promise to America. Foolish, naive and ultimately sincere. He just did not know who he was screwing with.
SILAS
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 9:46pmJerkoff-why do you HATE Jewish folk?
Max jones
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 10:11pmMonk….I;ll stay with you. love the ‘facts’.
justangry
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 10:31pm@Recceman, Apparently no one told Bush that because he admitted they lied about the wmd’s. The other lie was they were responsible for 9/11. I‘m going to stick with believing the best source I’ve found on this stuff. It’s a great interview folks. I highly recommend you listening to it and check out her credentials.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/lewrockwell-show/2011/01/11/182-the-menace-of-neoconservatism/
WAKEUPUSA2012
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 10:55pmMonk it doesnt really matter what facts you give me. We should not have gone to Iraq. IDK why you keep talking about the british. We have been hijacked by bankers and they are setting up a police state. It looks like you should learn the facts max jones is talking about. Those are the important ones.
Report Post »resme
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 11:27pm“The reason is because we had Desert Storm in 1990 that was sanctioned by a UN-authorized coalition force from 34 nations led by the United States.”
Monk, I hope you are just stating a fact and do not agree with that statement. I’m sure you know where I stand about ANY UN authorization. Just because we are Big and Strong doesn’t give us the authority to dictate the weak. We shouldn’t play head games with fanatical muslims either.
“Freedom is never voluntarily given by the oppressor; it must be demanded by the oppressed.
Martin Luther King, Jr.”
With that quote I’m not calling the USA a oppressor. I’m saying, It’s insane to try to help a nation form a democracy which is living in the 6th century. Democracy’s always oppress the minority, 51% wants slavery and the 49% have to put up with slavery. 51% wants to eliminate Israel and the 49% gets dragged along. We are a republic and should champion the fact that we are a republic in every speech.
Report Post »chalkdust
Posted on September 3, 2012 at 7:12amAs I have pointed out numerous times here, the assumption is that Bush lied and people died. As though he was handed a report that said, nope, no WMD’s in Iraq and decided to invade any way. But that doesn’t fit with the facts. Numerous intelligence agencies, including our own, and heads of state from around the globe all agreed that Iraq had WMD’s and something had to be done. And the claim that Bush had the intelligence cooked doesn’t fit with the facts either. Multiple agencies and heads of state from abroad would have had to coordinate this and that would have been unlikely.
Report Post »Put yourself in a dubious role as Bush using WMD’s as a pretext for nation building. Wouldn‘t you make certain that WMD’s were found. The Bush lied and people died narrative just doesn’t make sense. Nor does the Halliburton narrative. Did you know that Halliburton continues to get no bid contracts from the Government? Do you know why they got contracts in Iraq and Afghanistan? Because they are the largest construction/logistics company in the world and the only ones capable financially and physically of performing the massive contracts.
Stick to the facts. But we can certainly argue over the Geo-political ramifications of said facts and there are plenty of consequences.
Hugh Williams
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 8:00pmTutu, the retired Anglican Church’s archbishop of South Africa, wrote in an op-ed piece for The Observer newspaper that the ex-leaders of Britain and the United States should be made to “answer for their actions,” claiming the Iraq war has destabilized and polarized the world “to a greater extent than any other conflict in history.”
Report Post »Why do so many people think history started when they were born? He said the Iraqi war destabilized and polarized the world to a greater extent than any other conflict in HISTORY. What about WW II I think that war destabilized and polarized the world a little more than Iraqi. TUTU is just another Marxist trying to destroy Capitalism.
badge02812
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 8:08pmThe international court of what ??????
Report Post »Desmond can go F***K himself……..can I say that ?????
soybomb315_II
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 8:12pmSouth Africa has some serious problems going on internally right now
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 8:14pmBush is the one that stated he had to trash free market principles in order to save the free market. He is/was a foolish big government guy. And, he is a criminal.
Report Post »Mapache
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 8:00pmPerhaps Desmond Tutu will have to respond to the court of God Almighty and explain his silence as hundred of thousands of people were murdered in central Africa, Iraq, Sudan etc. He should be reluctant to start throwing stones at this point in his life. God will address everything in His own good time.
Report Post »He should hang out with Jimmy Carter and just keep his mouth shut and his bowels open.
Watermain
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 7:57pmAnd I should care about what Desmond Tutu says why? Enjoy your retirement and shut up.
Report Post »The_Cabrito_Goat
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 7:55pmThis again?
Report Post »Watermain
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 7:55pmAnd I should care about what Desmond Tutu says why? Enjoy your retirement years and shut up.
Report Post »mildot rider
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 7:54pmOh really. Just who do you think is going to deliver? The “Errand Boy” in the white house won’t be around long enough to send his Gestapo thugs to round up Bush. Filthy Marxist’s. Always late and short on ideas.
Report Post »infidelsaplenty
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 7:54pmWow! What self-righteous grandstanding and Monday morning quarterbacking.
Report Post »SilentReader
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 7:52pmAnd no mention of the Empty Chairs invasion of Libya, Desmond Tutu? Where the al Qaeda thugs there dragged Libya’s thug leader through the streets and sodomized him and Hillary laughed about it? No mention of that? And no mention of his using drones to kill the enemy? No mention of that? And what about Egypt where he meddled there resultling in the installing of a worse dictator in the Muslim Brotherhood’s Mohammed Morsi who is about to massacre all the Christian Copts that remain there? What about that?
And what International Court would he be tried in? The kangaroo court that they call the Hague, run by the globalist criminals who cherry pick who they will condemn before trying? That court? Desmond Tutu.
It is seems to me if this guy wants to put George Bush behind bars, maybe he should apply the same standard to the Empty Chair and put him behind bars as well. Because guess what? He’s about to do the same thing in Syria and install a worse thug as head of that government there as well. After all, we do know the Turkish al Qaeda are causing all kinds of trouble there, don’t we? Just give him a chance when he grabs power in the next four years. Maybe you can even pre-empt the chaos that will ensue by putting him behind bars now. Didn’t he get that Nobel Peace Prize before he actually did anything? Maybe we can put him behind bars for what he is about to do as well.
Hey, Desmond Tutu, if you actually analyze what the Empty Chair is doing you will find it is fa
Report Post »kickagrandma
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 7:51pmOh, brother. desmonic tutu, you’d best not open that can or worms, son.
Report Post »TJexcite
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 7:51pmYet oddly silent on the non-evidence that Obama and the NATO used to go into Libya. Evidence that Gaddafi had tanks ready to have a massacre of civilians, the same type of massacre that happens every day in Syria right now yet not a word.
Report Post »BurntHills
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 7:51pmmaybe someday a new 100% AMERICAN President will see what a waste of hard-earned US TAX PAYER MONEY it has been to send BILLIONS and BILLIONS in OUR hard-earned American taxes money to that entire worthless ungrateful CONTINENT.
Report Post »blair152
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 7:50pmI respect Desmond Tutu but he’s wrong.
Report Post »Watermain
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 8:35pmI agree that he is wrong, but I don’t respect him. A bishop‘s robe doesn’t command my respect.
Report Post »Micmac
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 7:47pmDo you really care?
NoBama > MoBama
Report Post »BurntHills
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 7:46pmso spews the rabid vile anti-colonialist communist whose ENTIRE CONTINENT grabs at OUR American tax payer BILLIONS in aid. go rot out in the savannahs or wherever with your fellow hyenas in those mud huts and stop threatening OUR 100% AMERICAN former President Bush who charitably set up BILLIONS in OUR money to be sent to your worthless filthy huts. Charles Darwin was sure RIGHT about africa. it has not changed in 300 years either.
Report Post »broper
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 7:45pm“The question is not whether Saddam Hussein was good or bad or how many of his people he massacred. The point is that Mr Bush and Mr Blair should not have allowed themselves to stoop to his immoral level,”
So how does an individual, an army, or a country fight to save lives and defeat those who would destroy or kill populations? It will always require that some in civilized society “stoop” to the level of the combat soldier. There is nothing noble about the acts of combat, only the cause. It is always easy for the ivory tower types to cast verbal stones. They only see what they want to see, but they freely accept the security paid for by others.
Report Post »jumbles
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 8:05pm“Cannon fodder” exists now as it always has,only now we attempt to placate the relatives of the dear departed through condescending attempts at labeling the unfortunate souls, that fall victim to anothers political gain,as heroes.When will we ever learn?
Report Post »Max jones
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 10:07pmJumbles is anothe r of the “jerks we must ignore….I hope the go away.
Report Post »jumbles
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 10:20pmMAX….shut up you nob.
Report Post »Exrepublisheep
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 7:40pmThis should be good…
Report Post »cassandra
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 7:40pmTUTU do you have a peanut in your pocket ? Do you have a monkey,Parrot or Gator as a pet just asking
Report Post »blanco5
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 7:38pmThere are a lot of people missing from that list.
Report Post »endgamer
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 8:26pmYes there are a lot missing.. Adolfo Nicholas (The Black Pope), Jacob De Rothschild, Evelyn De Rothschild, David De Rothschild, Nathaniel Phillip De Rothschild, David Rockefeller, Henry Kissinger, George H.W Bush ( aka George Scherf Jr), Dick Cheney, Jay Rockefeller, Donald Rumsfeld, Karl Rove & Paul Wolfowitz.. The true S C U M standing behind the curtains and puppet actors behind the worldwide economic espionage and global genocide! They need to be arrested and tried for treason..
Report Post »barber2
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 8:53pmEND: and you forgot to mention Donald Duck, Mickey Mouse, and Popeye…to name but a few…
Report Post »Rayblue
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 9:34pmI just wasted an hour watching a horrendous “movie” called “Tokyo Gore Police”.
Report Post »If anybody should be arrested it’s them.