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Detained If Not Guilty: Clinton Admits Civilian Terrorist Trials Are Political Theater for Terrorism Obsessed Americans
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Nervous Investor
Posted on November 21, 2010 at 5:36pmVigorous argument by Mrs Clinton …… but it doesn’t hold water.
Report Post »New-American-Saviors
Posted on November 21, 2010 at 5:12pmAnd to think we’ve been fooled all this time….. PLEEEEEZE
Report Post »MUDFLAPS
Posted on November 21, 2010 at 4:17pmYeah hill, we are obsessed with terrorists, thats why we voted in the democrats so they would be close.
Report Post »alienguns
Posted on November 21, 2010 at 3:09pmI just a military tribunal and then if guilty—-I want them executed—-no prison—executed—period—I don’t want my kids and grand kids fighting the same A-holes over and over
Report Post »ensemble
Posted on November 21, 2010 at 2:55pmThe video does not match the headline story. In the teaser picture..Hillary, apparently..grease is the word..
Report Post »BurntHills
Posted on November 21, 2010 at 2:53pmwait… WE citizens are ”terrorism obsessed”!!??!! so who is gate-raping our elderly white AMERICAN nuns and innocent little blonde AMERICAN daughters and our innocent AMERICAN cancer-survivors at the boarding gates! obama and the democrat thugs!!
a Dallas Cowboys fan was pulled from line and subjected to gate-rape by the TSA because she was in Phila with a Cowboys jersey on. after it happened, a TSA thug how did she like being a Cowboys fan in Philly.
Report Post »Bigbird1960
Posted on November 21, 2010 at 2:53pmFound this in a Canadian Newspaper
Dear Concerned American,
With new pro-Right to Work Congressmen and Senators forced to wait until January to be sworn in, Big Labor’s allies are set to ram every item on the union bosses forced dues wish list into law within the next few weeks.
You and I cannot let this happen!
If this bill passes, it will force public safety workers, such as your policemen and firefighters, under union boss control and would eventually spread to all public sector jobs.
Please sign the petition below and help stop Big Labor’s plans for the “lame duck” congress.
Right to Work will fax your petition to your Senators immediately.
Sincerely,
Steve Forbes
Constituent’s Petition to:
My U.S. Senators
I am writing to encourage you to oppose the draconian policies being pushed by Big Labor. These union bosses are seeking to subject workers to intimidation and strip them of their rights, all in an effort to increase their own power and influence.
It is vital that you oppose all legislation that strips workers of their rights, or expands the oppressive power of Big Labor.
Report Post »Whereas: Police and firefighters are to “Serve and Protect” the citizens of their community and, therefore, should NOT be controlled by Big Labor; and
Whereas: Union boss control of police and firefighters will tend to drive out the best men and women who refuse to knuckle under to union militants’ demands for illegal strikes, featherbedding, and forced dues; and
Whereas: The Police and Firefighter Monopoly Bargaining Bill could force our nation’s police and firefighters under union boss control, and is just the first step toward forcing all state and local public employees under Big Labor’s thumb; and
Whereas: Passage of this bill would override existing state and local laws and lead to skyrocketing budgets and higher taxes;
Therefore: In the interests of freedom and our country’s economy, I urge you to cast your vote against the Police and Firefighter Monopoly Bargaining Bill — or any other bill designed to expand Big Labor’s power over American workers during the “lame duck” session of Congress.
Reggabaet
Posted on November 21, 2010 at 2:47pmCould it be that the government is obsessed with terrorists? Granted, 9/11 was no walk in the park but I do not know anyone who lives their lives obsessed with terrorism. Could it be that there is $$$ $$ to be made all in the sake of terrorism? Enough already!!! Let us live our lives already!!!
Report Post »TheGreyPiper
Posted on November 21, 2010 at 2:40pmGod help me, I’d just love to see someone whack her in her big fat stupid mouth with a sockful of wet sand or something…
Report Post »scuba13
Posted on November 21, 2010 at 2:39pmShe is right. I am a terror obessed American. I give everyone who comes to my house the full T.S.A. treatment , full pat downs and gropes . My dog didn’t like the new screening methods so she is now wearing a little doggie burka . Now what do i do?
Report Post »dontbotherme
Posted on November 21, 2010 at 2:20pmThese prisoners are enemy combatants. They are not entitled to a trial by their peers in our criminal justice system. The judge in this case refused to allow pertinent evidence gathered against the enemy combatant (because of the method used to retrieve said evidence) and therefore the court could not make it’s case. I have no faith in our judicial system. They have no business in our system of justice. Read the Geneva Convention. No other country would prosecute them by it’s laws either. This is purely a political move on the part of the current administration to add further embarrassment to America.
Report Post »mossbrain
Posted on November 21, 2010 at 1:59pmAll you idiots who hate the federal government take heed, below is EXACTLY what will happen in local government run by crazed groups of religious cronies.
“someone should just march all the Gitmo detainees, or any other “outsiders” out against a brick wall. we already know all we can from them and they are OUR ENEMIES”
Report Post »thepatriotdave
Posted on November 21, 2010 at 2:16pmMOSSBRAIN,
What “crazed groups of religious cronies” are you talking about? You’re post is confusing.
PatriotShops.com
Report Post »UnreconstructedLibertarian
Posted on November 21, 2010 at 2:36pmI think that’s what General Pershing actually did at one point in history. If memory serves correctly, he was a FEDERAL employee. Dipped the executory bullets into freshly let pig’s blood too, I believe.
It would appear that it all depends on your utility to the Federal government, as to what your treatment will be. Doesn’t it? The Federal government is out of control and likely to be lining folks who don’t suit its purpose up against brick walls, soon. I’ve read no less extreme suggestion against Christians and/or Republicans posted on liberal forums begging the same be done on a Federal level. As to how the Muslim’s feel about the situation, we have more than ample testament and example.
Pick your level of Tyranny, there seems to be enough choice to go around. One is no better than the other when the extremist radicals of either side are in charge.
Report Post »MidAmerican
Posted on November 21, 2010 at 1:45pmBlaze reporters need to pay attention to these posts. For the 3rd time, you are getting more tabloid than
Report Post »truth. You report, we will decide. Get it right.
UnreconstructedLibertarian
Posted on November 21, 2010 at 2:13pmTrue, and I agree.
We’ve seen nothing about the SB510 debate and vote status. Nor much about the exhaustive list of imporant legislations currently going on. We’ve seen nothing about the stances of states regarding these legislations and pending legal suits. We seem to be getting a steady diet of cotton-candy while the meat and potatos of our Republic is spoiling without attention.
C’mon Blaze, we want meat and potatos!
Report Post »megaman
Posted on November 21, 2010 at 1:42pmterrorists should have a military trial because they are not civilians they are combatants
Report Post »historypaper
Posted on November 21, 2010 at 1:40pmWe now see that Hillary Clinton, the Alinsky fan and admirer, makes jokes about people being killed by her new friends. Hillary plans are to run for President of the U.S. in 2012 but, the people have spoken. Obama is the last progressive communist to ever set foot in the White House, even if just for a tour.
Report Post »T.E.A.PARTNER
Posted on November 21, 2010 at 1:30pmYep, hubby got a hand slap, wrigglin’ Rangel, hand slap… I see a trend here, don’t you?
Report Post »YesNdeedie
Posted on November 21, 2010 at 1:26pmI’m all for the take-no-prisoners idea when it comes to terrorist. That way the circus master won’t have anyone in the center ring. In turn, no secrets will be leaked and justice for the bas tard s will be swift and final. And, the DOJ will not have any strings to pull to get his buddies off lightly.
Report Post »snowleopard3200 {mix art}
Posted on November 21, 2010 at 1:43pmDo as Patton once said of the enemy – “The enemy wants to die for his country; fine, I want each of you American soldiers to live so you can kill as many of the enemy as possible.”
It is something along those lines.
Report Post »BurntHills
Posted on November 21, 2010 at 2:57pmGod bless George.
Report Post »Washington.
Patton.
and good ol’ W.
TattooQ
Posted on November 21, 2010 at 1:14pmAnother day , another elitist progressive hack (supposed public servant hack at that) likening at least some of the American people to “ Bread and Circuses ” rabble . The circus in this case being the terrorism trials our nut less wonders are trying to foist on us. Our government , past and current , had a chance to forgo circus they are creating with their criminalizing terror strategy , i.e. by death on the battlefield . Instead , the dolts stick us with the huge price tag , because , like Enron, they are the smartest guys in the room . Is it any wonder people are so disgusted with the government ?
Report Post »lynnee
Posted on November 21, 2010 at 1:09pmWE THE PEOPLE ARE OBSESSED WITH TERRORISM ? Where was she on 9/11/2001 ? & this administration is groping us up at our airports only now ? Isn’t she the same Clinton that has the UN on our sovereign state of ARIZONA for human rights violations for protecting John Q Public from an ILLEGAL ALIEN DRUG CARTEL HUMAN SMUGGLING INVASION ? Wasn’t it her potus that said “We can absorb another attack like 9/11″ & just recently on the Jon Stewart show- “We have done things that you don’t even know about” ? WELL, all I have left to say is- HEII YES, I’M OBSESSED WITH WANTING TO RID THE USA OF THE WHOLE LOT OF THESE TERRORISTS, INCLUDING THE ONES IN THIS ADMINISTRATION ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! thank you for letting me rant……….arrrggg.
Report Post »BurntHills
Posted on November 21, 2010 at 1:03pmsomeone should just march all the Gitmo detainees out against a brick wall. we already know all we can from them and they are OUR ENEMIES. their muslim brethren are sawing our solders heads off and hanging their charred bodies from bridges all the way back into the 1990s. let’s START giving THEM the same treatment.
Report Post »Captain77
Posted on November 21, 2010 at 1:31pm“Be careful when you fight monsters, lest you become one.” Friedrich Nietzsche
Report Post »BurntHills
Posted on November 21, 2010 at 2:56pmwant to see our family burial plot and all the hospital records? how about some Military medals. we have sacrificed much being AMERICANS.
time to give the terrorists what they know. we have been laying down with their rabid dogs long enough and their fleas are in our White House.
Report Post »Exrepublisheep
Posted on November 21, 2010 at 4:48pmWe don’t treat them like they treat us because we are better than them. Thats why they move here. Gunning down anyone the military arrest is insane. (Fun to imagine but still insane)
Report Post »FREEDOM_IS_NOT_FREE
Posted on November 21, 2010 at 12:59pmIt seem if anyone obsessed with terrorism it’s the Government and out of control agencies like the TSA. Many American people are at the very least, skeptical of all the hoopla surrounding recent events.
Report Post »cheezwhiz
Posted on November 21, 2010 at 3:29pmI think we need to watch their other hand,
Report Post »they are getting ready to declare amnesty for illegals .
Hussain is in full revenge mode after 2010 elections.
MJ1025
Posted on November 21, 2010 at 12:57pmWE do not want civilian trials for terrorists. Hilliary is such an idiot. Only American citizens can have civilian trials.
Report Post »Captain77
Posted on November 21, 2010 at 1:28pmWell that depends on wether or not you believe that “all men are created equal..“ that they are ”endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights…”. If this is true, that these rights are given to us by our creator, then they extend beyond our borders, and anyone in our custody is extended these rights, not because we have the power to give them or take them away, but because God gave them to all His children, to which the Constitution is just stating the fact. If we can give Ted Bundy, Jeffery Dahmer, pedophiles and rapist these rights, then why not ACCUSED terrorist? Either that, or they fall under the Geneva Convention. I’m fine with either one.
Report Post »Waggedy Wabbit
Posted on November 21, 2010 at 1:29pmListen to what MRS. CLINTON says,watch her actions carefully. Far too many people LAP_UP everything the CLINTON DUO says and does,she could very easily be our next LEADER!!!!! Too many sheep not enough wolves out there!!!!!
Report Post »Midwest Belle
Posted on November 21, 2010 at 12:55pmDid I miss something? I watched the video and it certainly does NOT match the headlines!
Report Post »NoName22
Posted on November 21, 2010 at 1:32pmAmen.
Report Post »Rowgue
Posted on November 21, 2010 at 2:27pmYes the headline is not accurate. Hillary Clinton is a complete dunce and an imbecile. But she didn’t make the statement in the headline in that video clip. Blaze get your act together please.
Report Post »sullinsea
Posted on November 21, 2010 at 2:57pmYes and no. She did appear to say we would detain and not release captured enemy combatants found not guilty. But then she said that a “not guilty” verdict by a jury of “terror obsessed” Americans would indicate a weak case. The two parts of the headlline merely reflect the cognitive dissonance inherent in Mr. Gregory‘s question AND Secretary Clinton’s non-answer.
This is all about American confusion about what matrix to apply to a war declared and waged against us by a non-governmental organization (NGO) with unlawful combatants applying the military doctrine of “unrestricted warfare” (aka “terrorism”). My personal view is that a modified war matrix must be applied rather than a civilian criminal justice matrix that is better applied to bicycle thieves. I believe it is a dangerous mistake to underestimate or disrespect a movement that has formally declared war on us as part of its goal to establish a base in a failed nation-state from which it can expand to form an Islamic caliphate bent on world-wide jihad to accomplish the submission of all of us infidels to Islam and shari’a law. Are they a serious threat? Maybe not in the old war sense of an occupying army. But if they ever accomplish their stated goal of delivering seven nukes to seven major cities, would our constitutional republic survive?
So … I agree with Secretary Clinton’s instinctive response that of course we will not release unlawful enemy combatants found not guilty in our civilian criminal justice system! We must kill or capture enemy combatants on the field of battle (Afghan mountains to downtown Hamburg). If we capture tham they must be detained … for the duration of the war – until there is a peace treaty or prisoner exchange. Already a large percentage of the hundreds released from Gitmo have returned to the field of battle to take part in future military attacks upon us. War is not a “catch and release” game.
The Geneva Conventions do not completely apply to unlawful enemy combatants, but they do require humane treatment, which I believe we are providing. They also permit us to try them under our civilian laws. But what laws have they broken (unless being an unlawful combatant is a per se violation of the laws of warfare)? Ahmed Ghailani broke no civilian law – he waged war. If he violated the international law of war he should be tried in a war crimes tribunal – not the federal southern district of New York. His acquittal on all but one civilian charge in connection with the African embassy bombings was insane, and made a liar out of AG Holder who promised there would be no acquittals. Mr. Ghailani should be returned to detention for the duration.
There are several troubling aspects of the never-ending jihad being waged on us by the NGO al Qaeda and other followers of the Islamist movement. First, the war they are waging will likely take a lot longer than most standard wars since the 100 Year War in the 14th and 15th centuries. That means detention will in many cases become the equivalent of a life sentence. The enemy combatants should have thought about that before enlisting. As an accomodation, I would not object to releasing them at an advanced age (at least 70) if their home country is willing to accept them. Again, they are not sentenced, they committed no crime (unless a war crime) and the purpose of detetion is to keep them from fighting another day. If they are too feeble to fight, detenntion loses its purpose.
Second, some enemy combatants are and will be America citizens. These are entitled to due process in the determination of their enemy combatant status. Since I respect the military justice system I don‘t see why this can’t be provided in military tribunals. But, I am not entirely opposed to having their status as enemy combatants determined by a civilian court.
Third, while most countries whose nationals have been captured want nothing further to do with those detainees who in all likelihood would wage war against their own countries as well if given half a chance, some countries might object to indefinite detention, and a legal mechanism needs to be available for determining those cases.
The confusion must stop. As Andrew McCarthy – lead prosecutor 15 years ago in one of the country’s biggest terrorism trials: a group of men led by a blind Egyptian sheik had plotted to blow up the United Nations, the Lincoln and Holland Tunnels and other city landmarks, “A war is a war,” Mr. McCarthy declared. “A war is not a crime, and you don’t bring your enemies to a courthouse.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/20/nyregion/20prosecutor.html?_r=1
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on November 21, 2010 at 6:35pmI was thinking the same………bait and switch?
Report Post »guyperram
Posted on November 21, 2010 at 12:52pmThe ones obsessed with terrorism is these crazy left wingers. I say we should all merely exercise our right to bear arms and deal with any of these guys the way you would deal with a rabid raccoon. What is the big deal.,
Report Post »I guess I am just not very P.C,
TruthTalker
Posted on November 21, 2010 at 12:49pmBS. It is for the politicians and it is backfiring on them.
Report Post »snowleopard3200 {mix art}
Posted on November 21, 2010 at 1:22pmExactly. And it is we Americans who are suppose to be free, who will pay the price at the hands of the terrorists and the administration.
Report Post »Captain77
Posted on November 21, 2010 at 1:22pmThis is why I have had issue with the Patriot Act. It is anything but. Without debate, so much of what is in it is unconstitutional. Obviously Clinton has no problem holding someone indefinitely for simply being charged for terrorism. She even admits that should there be a trial and a person is found innocent, they would still hold them. Does this sound like America? Is this what a free nation would do? We are not free, nor have we been for some time. Its time to take our nation back.
Report Post »snowleopard3200 {mix art}
Posted on November 21, 2010 at 1:23pmThese terrorists captured on the battlefield are known as enemy combatants and under the Geneva Conventions can be tried by a military tribunal if I understand them correctly. Terrorists captured by our law enforcement agencies are conducted via civilian courts; as has happened in the past with a mix bag of success and failures.
This administration needs to get the little brain power it has into high gear and soon.
Report Post »thepatriotdave
Posted on November 21, 2010 at 2:11pmHillary,
You have lost your mind!
The vast majority of patriotic Americans DO NOT want the political-theater of civil trials that allow these SOB’s to get away with mass murder. We want them in Military tribunals where they belong. God help us if this woman ever wins the White House.
PatriotShops.com
Report Post »SHTFMilitia.com
Posted on November 21, 2010 at 2:34pmFirst of all are the people they are trying in a CIVILIAN court an american CITIZEN?
Just like the states allowing people to VOTE with out identification.
If you are prepared You may survive,
Report Post »http://www.shtfmilitia.com
tower7femacamp
Posted on November 21, 2010 at 3:00pmThe real goal is to set up a system that will lock all of who descent as TERRORIST !
Report Post »With No Trial or Jury….. That leaves only one solution
tower7femacamp
Posted on November 21, 2010 at 3:03pmHey HillDog Remember White water you Bilderburg NWO SCUM ?
Report Post »http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ypy-l0v1Flw
we know who you are.
cheezwhiz
Posted on November 21, 2010 at 3:17pmIs there a clip somewhere of Hillary excoriating GWB and his administration for tapping phones and intercepting e-mails of terrorists ? You know actual terrorists , whose privacy and 1st amendment rights anti-Americans like her ( and ACLU) are sooooooo concerned with
Report Post »lillymckim
Posted on November 21, 2010 at 6:03pmexactly!!!
Report Post »and he was one count away
from being guilty as hell and free as a bird…
I do not understand the upside in trying this murder in a civilian court?
silentwatcher
Posted on November 21, 2010 at 6:05pmHilary Clinton, you have NOT been forgotten regarding the Whitewater crap, nor have you and Billy been forgotten regarding the other crap you pulled in Arkansas.
I do not trust you Clintons today, I do not trust you tomorrow, and I especially will not trust you in politics. I hope the public think back and recalls, understands, and then says the same thing I do; I WANT YOU OUT OF U.S. POLITICS.
Report Post »what4
Posted on November 21, 2010 at 7:40pmShe’s just another bitter progressive bitter about having lost the house. Her liberal friends may agree with her, Not Americans!
Report Post »Big Toe
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 8:03amThis all aids in the destruction of the financial system. These progressive politicians, all the want is to collapse the American way.CAPITALISM. The money it costs to try these waste’ of timeis another way of helping to “:Level the playing field” Every dime spent brings them closer to their goal. Destroy the Economy. I can’t wait till these slugs are out of oddice and die their gruesome death that awaits each any every one from this Godforsaken Regime (administration).
Report Post »Bum thrower
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 10:33amThe current administration of ‘statists’, ‘progressives’, and socialists embrace the terrorist ideals which is to bring down the “evil satin”. I hope the American People survive the next two years, finish the house cleaning (senate,too) and NEVER, NEVER, NEVER elect a Democrat to any thing!!
Report Post »DirectlyUnPCman
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 11:37amNot my obsession….its theirs.
Report Post »ozchambers
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 12:06pmSo the Obama administration begins trying terrorist combatants in US Courts and when they are found innocent, they remain in custody. How many times does this happen before an American citizen remains in custody following a trial where the jury found the citizen innocent? Could this be a “palatable” way of desensitizing Americans to the concept of an inconsequential judicial system? Why bother rigging a jury or stacking the courts if you can just be done with the judicial system altogether? A verdict which carries no consequences is a judicial system which is effectively non-existent.
Report Post »ThoreauHD
Posted on November 22, 2010 at 3:50pmThe only American’s I know that want this are muslims and communists. It’s too bad Mrs. Clinton is one of those two. She’s doing a BS endrun around Obama. I guess he campaigning for El Presidente has begun.
Report Post »chazman
Posted on November 23, 2010 at 3:07pmYeah, the dirtball muslim murderer’s that we have already released, and who have rejoined their scumbag muslim turd brothers in the desert’s of Yemen, would agree with you, Clinton, you TWERP!! God, not only does it NOT matter what you say, it only matters to me how DAMN UGLY you are!! I can’t stand to look at yer fat, UGLY FACE!!!
I got an extra UGLY STICK for ya!! It’s called a Louisville Slugger!!!
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