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Did a Pro-Eugenics Org Advertise on MSNBC During the GOP Debate?

During Wednesday’s GOP presidential debate, a group called Californians for Population Stabilization ran an advertisement advocating for caps on legal — not illegal — immigration.

In the ad, a man shuffles the letters in the word “illegal” to separate the “I-L“ from ”L-E-G-A-L” and says:

Now that so many Californians are out of work, attention is turning to the millions of illegal workers in the state. It’s about time. But what about these workers? Legal foreign workers — one million legal immigrants and temporary workers our government admits every year that take good jobs in places like California, no matter how many Californians are out of work or how ill the economy gets. We need to slow legal immigration ’till California is working again. Paid for by Californians for Population Stabilization.

So just what is Californians for Population Stabilization (CAPS)? According to their website, the group focuses on “runaway population growth,“ a problem it says will have ”severe and irreversible consequences for our children and grandchildren”:

The solutions are limiting immigration, encouraging lower fertility and educating the public about likely outcomes if we fail to take decisive action today.

“Encouraging lower fertility”? Is that a milder way of saying “population control?” Indeed, Californians for Population Stabilization allies itself with Planned Parenthood in several places on its website, and praises Margaret Sanger, a known proponent of eugenics, for her “important work.”

Take a look at what the group says it supports with regard to “family planning”:

  • Promotion of smaller family size.
  • Age-appropriate sex education for all adults and youth.
  • Wide availability of family planning services, contraception and guidance.
  • Increased funding for California’s Office of Family Planning and all state programs dealing with pregnancy prevention and contraception.
  • Complete insurance coverage for all FDA-approved contraceptive methods.
  • More money, research and production of newer, safer contraceptive methods, including contraceptive methods for males.
  • Preventing unintended pregnancies, especially among teenagers.
  • Application of the state and federal child tax credits only to the first two children (with exceptions for adopted and foster care children).

According to its website, the organization split from the Zero Population Growth (now called Population Connection) at its 1986 founding to occupy a “special niche” in the “population-environment movement.”

Many of its anti-population growth statements center on the impact “foreign-born women”:

Total fertility rates are below replacement (2.1 children per woman) for all groups in California except for Hispanics, whose total fertility rate is 2.68 (CA Dept. of Finance). But it is direct immigration and births to foreign-born women that now account for virtually all of the population growth in California. CAPS is unique among population and immigration reduction organizations in our advocacy of less immigration, small family size and the wide availability of family planning information and contraceptive use.

Additionally, according to reports, Californians for Population Stabilization received money from the Pioneer Fund, which studies heredity and has roots in the eugenics movement.

While Californians for Population Stabilization does not itself advocate outright for any kind of forced sterilization, that doesn’t seem like a far cry from everything else it favors:

With the number of unintended pregnancies in the U.S., high abortion rates in cities such as New York City (41 percent) and teen pregnancies, CAPS believes there’s significant opportunity to educate U.S. girls and women about better choices to ensure their health and prosperity and that of their children, which ultimately will also contribute to a sustainable population.

Taken together, Californians for Population Stabilization seems like a curious organization to advertise on MSNBC, particularly considering the network has refused to air “controversial ads” in the past.

Comments (158)

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  • Sutter Buttes
    Posted on September 8, 2011 at 3:36pm

    Stop sending subsidized food and aid to sub-saharan Africa and encourage birth control where the population cannot be supported by their own means. It is insanity to encourage population control in the productive West and not in the non-sustaining East and Africa.

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    • Lloyd Drako
      Posted on September 8, 2011 at 3:52pm

      It’s really very simple. People who want to limit theiir reproduction should be allowed and encouraged to do so. Sub-Saharan Africa or in the developed world, makes no difference. When people are starving, you send food, provided you can make sure it gets to those who need it, which unfortunately is not the case in many places.

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    • commie_LOVER
      Posted on September 8, 2011 at 3:59pm

      Perhaps the foriegn aid enables those folks in africa NOT to be self sufficient and enables dictators to continue their disasterous centeralized/socialist economic policies?

      You are parroting the Marxist notion that human beings do not create value and are just mouths to feed and provide only nominial fixed units of work. That is why marxist countries feel so free to murder its citizens.

      Each new individual born represents a great deal of potential who might develop a new farming technique, transportations methods or medicines. That is if marxists like you would just allow them to be free.

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on September 8, 2011 at 4:02pm

      “When people are starving, you send food, provided you can make sure it gets to those who need it, which unfortunately is not the case in many places.” – Lloyd Drako

      Case: Somalia

      1. ABC, NC & CBS nightly news shows starving Somali kids with distended bellies
      2. Send food
      3. Clan militias steal food.
      4. Call in U.S. Marines & UN to stop theft.
      5. Go after Clan militia leaders
      6. Blackhawk Down
      7. Libs say “Pull OUT. Pull OUT NOW!”
      8. Rinse. Repeat

      1. Liberal activist movie star George Clooney points out that People are starving in Dharfur.

      We did not fall for it that time, but not for lack of the left trying to sucker punch is once again.

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  • Lloyd Drako
    Posted on September 8, 2011 at 3:36pm

    Oh horrors! A group that believes population should be limited and wants to educate women about how not to get pregnant wants to exercise its freedom of paid-for speech!

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on September 8, 2011 at 3:44pm

      See Sutter Buttes’ comment

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    • commie_LOVER
      Posted on September 8, 2011 at 4:01pm

      Why don’t we start limiting population with you? You are using resources and not adding any value.

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    • NHwinter
      Posted on September 8, 2011 at 4:19pm

      Hillary’s role model, Sanger, was an evil woman. How anyone can look up to what she promoted is beyond me. Maybe stopping legal immigration for a while would not be a bad idea. Then send the illegals home. When we get our house in order, then let legal immigration begin again. As for population control, look at China. No women for all the young men. Not enough people to take care of the older generation. Its bunk. God knew there would one day be a lot of people. We have plenty if all the regulations and controls are taken off the backs of farmers and businesses. Obama is deliberately ruining our country.

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    • SamIamTwo
      Posted on September 8, 2011 at 4:29pm

      MSNBC must have declared it non-controversial, eh?

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    • savagemonger
      Posted on September 8, 2011 at 4:30pm

      Oh it was on MSNBC so of course.

      http://politicalbowl.com – Political Videos

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    • 4truth2all
      Posted on September 8, 2011 at 4:53pm

      More suger coated crap.

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    • loadingmyclips
      Posted on September 8, 2011 at 4:59pm

      I guess you don’t live in an area where these people are.

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    • meddlehead
      Posted on September 8, 2011 at 5:58pm

      Cheaper than subsidizing their kids

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    • AvengerK
      Posted on September 8, 2011 at 6:12pm

      That’s the new enviro-whacko creed..population control. The vulgarity of the left keeps finding new expression.

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    • positive1
      Posted on September 8, 2011 at 6:29pm

      Do the math, they do…7 billion humans world pop.(2012) Is 1 bil.-2 bil. impoverished humans closely dependent to 193 governments. Fast forward to year 2100 AD 19 billion world pop.(est.) 3 bil. to 6 bil. dependent of world governments. Can you imagine New York, Mexico City, Japan, Moscow, Haiti, Los Angels, Boston, Detroit, Chicago, Beijing, New Delhi (just to name a few), being magnates or over whelmed by the severely poor? 10+% poor will always remain and spreads like socialism, communism, environmentalism, fascism, totalitarianism, and slavery. I regret the thought. I’ve given great thought to the fact that prior to the invasion of Poland in WWII the pop. was 35 mil. what happened to all those people? California has 37 mil.(2010) think about it. Facts are Facts, I would like feed back and solutions.

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    • AvengerK
      Posted on September 8, 2011 at 6:55pm

      well Orwellianly named “POSITIVE1”….China tried it your way. They’re now facing one person in a family looking after 3 or 4 aging family members. I know what you’re going to say..”the elderly dont’ contribute to society just let them die off”..or words to that effect. You’re not alone in that leftist mindset. Obama’s advisor Ezekeil Emanuel (brother of Rahm) agrees with you.
      “Unlike allocation by sex or race, allocation by age is not invidious discrimination; every person lives through different life stages rather than being a single age. Even if 25-year-olds receive priority over 65-year-olds, everyone who is 65 years now was previously 25 years.”
      On average 25-year-olds require very few medical services. If they are to get the lion’s share of the treatment, then those 65 and over can expect very little care. Dr. Emanuel’s views on saving money on medical care are simple: don’t provide any medical care.
      How does Cass Sunstein (obama regulatory czar) approach end of life care? In 2003 he wrote a paper for the AEI-Brookings Joint Center for Regulatory Studies arguing that human life varies in value. Specifically he champions statistical methods that give preference to what the government rates as “quality-adjusted life years.” Meaning, the government decides whether a person’s life is worth living. If the government decides the life is not worth living, it is the individual’s duty to die to free up welfare payments for the young and productive.

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    • AvengerK
      Posted on September 8, 2011 at 7:01pm

      You know what I find particularly vulgar with this new Gaia loving (because let’s face it…all this population control non-sense dovetails into “climate change/global warming” and saving Gaia from that evil pathogen..man) left? They like to use Adolf Hitler and the Nazis as an inflamatory comparative device when addressing conservatives, and the left (you included) are advocating the same policies as Nazi Germany..selective breeding and state control. Nazis did it for the Arayan race, you lefties do it for Gaia..the Earth. Same methods, same endgame.

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    • AvengerK
      Posted on September 8, 2011 at 7:11pm

      You asked for “solutions” Orwellianly named “POSITIVE1”? Eugenics, forced sterilization/abortions and population control certainly isn’t a solution but again, because the left puts “Gaia” ahead of man it’s man who must suffer. You neglect to grasp one of the most incredible qualities of the human species…it‘s intelligence and it’s adaptability. Man can come up with productive solutions to needs for livable areas an arable land just as he always has. We as a species are designed to breakdown and die eventually. Even with modern medicine, we still don’t live on average much longer than 80 years old in the industrialized world. Don’t worry about population levels, God already put the failsafe in. Conservatives celebrate the potentional of man, Liberals hold man in contempt.

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    • positive1
      Posted on September 8, 2011 at 7:18pm

      You missed the point… If history repeats itself (WWIII) I’m asking the question with FEAR for mankind NOT HATE. The human life cycle is about 75 yrs. and indoctrination & brainwashing is completed in the first 20, we have a large pop. that could become like locust, hungry and desperate, long before WE THE PEOPLE can right the wrongs of the world. WWJD?

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    • tower7femacamp
      Posted on September 8, 2011 at 7:38pm

      Why Not Newt supports Agenda 21 as do all good Globalist

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    • AvengerK
      Posted on September 8, 2011 at 8:02pm

      Yes POSTIVE1 of course..“fear for mankind not hate”..and in the same post you liken man to locusts.
      You leftists reduce man to nothing. Your contempt for mankind is glaring and sickening. I pity you.

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    • kindling
      Posted on September 8, 2011 at 8:48pm

      First we pay poor single women to produce babies at staggering rates. Second we open our borders to foreign mostly ignorant low skilled people and pay them to come and have babies. Third we instruct our best and brightest not to reproduce because it is stressing the environment. You tell me what the future holds for this state…..and country.

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    • M 4 Colt
      Posted on September 8, 2011 at 8:50pm

      If everyone remembers this group sounds alot like that guy over in Norway that shot all those people, one of his big concerns was the decline in the white birth rate and the fact that the “mud people” I E muslins are going the bread us out of existence. I guess you can find nuts anywhere.

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    • Komponist-ZAH
      Posted on September 9, 2011 at 1:29am

      @Positive1—

      The scenario you describe assumes a uniformitarian world—that food production will remain at current rates while population growth soars, causing extreme poverty, mass starvation, and global war over ever more limited resources. This is not borne out by history. Humanity has always found ways to increase resouces and thus avert the nightmare you describe.

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    • Jackers
      Posted on September 9, 2011 at 6:42am

      This article promotes fear mongering at its worst…

      CAPS is a California-based organization working to reduce legal immigration to reasonable levels and to eliminate all illegal immigration. CAPS understands that many of our economic and societal problems today are directly related to ever-escalating legal immigration and out-of-control illegal immigration.

      Read the articles on CAPS‘ website and get to know what they’re all about…

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    • Rosco Jones
      Posted on September 9, 2011 at 9:34am

      The Club of Rome published a book mamed Limits to Growth back in 1972. This has been updated several times since then. Check out http://dieoff.org/page25.htm .

      “Society has gone into overshoot, … a state of being beyond limits without knowing it. These limits are more like speed limits than barriers at the end of the road: the rate at which renewable resources can renew themselves, the rate at which we can change from nonrenewable resources to renewable ones, and the rate at which nature can recycle our pollution. … [W]e are overshooting such crucial resources as food and water while overwhelming nature with pollutants.”

      Overpopulation will take care of itself as food, water and other resources are depleted by the growing population. We live on Island Earth. Only so mary can fit on the island and have a stable existence.

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    • rangerp
      Posted on September 9, 2011 at 10:01am

      I can see the bumper sticker now “Have you spayed your maid?”

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  • V-MAN MACE
    Posted on September 8, 2011 at 3:35pm

    Of course!

    They described themselves as for “population stabilization”…which is code word for POPULATION CONTROL!

    They’re actually arguing reducing LEGAL immigration!

    These are the progeny of Planned Parenthood and the Nazi Eugenicist programs!

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    • loriann12
      Posted on September 8, 2011 at 6:01pm

      And yet the liberals will welcome them with open arms, while demonizing conservatives for wanting to limit illegal immigration, and reforming legal immigration to make it easier. “encouraging lower fertility?” I bet they’re for the one child policy of China. If you’ve read it, they’re using the exact words of Agenda 21.

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    • muzikant
      Posted on September 9, 2011 at 7:31am

      yep. anyone associated with planned parenthood is the devils advocate.

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  • SamIamTwo
    Posted on September 8, 2011 at 3:35pm

    Yeah, I recall those SOC classes in the 60‘s and the government in the 70’s ran with it…

    The rancher at the time told everyone that both the husband and wife need to work and that they should have only TWO children.

    It was more than a nudge from over 50 years ago. May God forgive all of us for not recognizing it at the time. But we were all caught up into the rising cost, inflation, unemployment under Jimmy boob Carter.

    My SOC population control paper was “procreate till ya pop”…I did not get a good grade. :)

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  • smokeysmoke
    Posted on September 8, 2011 at 3:34pm

    i thought this add was strange… LETS LIMIT LEGAL IMMIGRATION… and make no regard to illegal immigration… thats some national socialist messaging to try and control

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  • Avigdor
    Posted on September 8, 2011 at 3:32pm

    The leftwing, especially in academia, is pushing the idea that the poor are human pollution. Not only is their demands that women who do not have a college degree be sterilized after two children but they also claim that only those with masters degrees can be “real democrats”.

    The view is that those who are poor (along with those who are old or so sick as not to be able to work) are consuming and not producing thus have a very high carbon footprint. Thus are human pollution.

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    • Lloyd Drako
      Posted on September 8, 2011 at 3:38pm

      It’s not the poor who are human pollution, it‘s the rich who waste more resources in a day than the most of the world’s poor do in a year.

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on September 8, 2011 at 3:50pm

      Lloyd Drako

      Ya, all those poor people that denude the earth of cover resulting in erosion. Thereby resulting in lower farm productivity and destruction of fisheries.

      Take a look at Haiti. The difference between Haiti & the Dominican Republic is the difference between a Man made Moonscape & and a poor but liveable country.

      Family size was falling long before the 50s & the 60s. It was the result of personal decisions and people did not need progressive meddlers.

      All the meddlers have done is take if from 2-3 kids per family to <2 ( in the red).

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    • Lloyd Drako
      Posted on September 8, 2011 at 4:17pm

      Walkabout:

      I see your point about rich and poor. 3rd world agriculture isn’t very eco-friendly or whatever the term du jour is. SUVs spew a lot of carbons into the air, but so do all those cattle in India, and so on.

      Both Haiti and the DR are poor countries, Haiti obviously much poorer. The difference stems largely from the fact that the DR, remaining part of the Spanish Empire until the later 19th century, developed cash crops while Haiti was effectively boycotted for much of the 19th century because of the effrontery of black people’s daring to create a country of its own. The result? Haitians were thrown back on subsistence agriculture and quickly denuded the land of almost everything green, leaving a border you can see from the air today.

      I don’t see what bearing the contrast between these 2 countries has on the question at hand. Either way, population control doesn’t seem like such a bad idea. All strictly voluntary, of course.

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    • USACommoner
      Posted on September 8, 2011 at 4:41pm

      AVIGDOR: Have you ever researched Margaret Sanger…? She thought the poor, and blacks, were “human weeds” which was the real reason she began distributing birth control. It wasn’t because she wanted to empower women; it had nothing to do with reproductive “freedom”. It was to keep the lowlifes from breeding. The left seems to think they can create this utopia where everything is free, no one owns a gun, and everyone is beautiful.

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  • SREGN
    Posted on September 8, 2011 at 3:32pm

    State-run eugenics agencies forcibly sterilized over 40,000 people in the US 1940-1970. Did you know that? Look it up.

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    • SgtB
      Posted on September 8, 2011 at 3:37pm

      I knew it. I believe that over 20 states, almost 30, have had forced sterilization laws on their books at some time between 1920 and 1960. It was a bad time for America, yet my grandparents think they grew up in the golden age. Poor liberal grandparents. Anyway, more on point; I’d like to see this guy go to work in the shadow of Palomar mountain in the summer harvesting oranges and avacadoes. He looks like his hands would just tear to shreds without a pair of ergonomic work gloves though. And I bet he would succome to heat exhaustion in just a couple of hours, not to mention he’d hate to have to commute 40 miles one way to work at minimum wage. Stupic eugenicist.

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    • MOLLYPITCHER
      Posted on September 8, 2011 at 3:46pm

      @SREGN
      I did. Very scary. If they can order that for the “feeble minded”, how far will they go to control the population?

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    • ed455
      Posted on September 8, 2011 at 4:11pm

      While I am NOT for eugenics, I have witnessed a distressing situation. I was recently at a fast food joint where a couple who were both borderline retarded and had THREE retarded (way beyond the borderline) children. What do we do about this?? There are forms of retardation that have as part of the condition, an EXAGERATED libido. Yikes! I don’t have a solution that is palatable, but I do see a problem. In parts of Appalachia, it’s a MAJOR problem.

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  • CS_GUY
    Posted on September 8, 2011 at 3:31pm

    Watched the debate but missed this………quit watching when the “followup” discussion began….
    MSNBC has more nutcakes than Hostess………

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  • Dietgirl
    Posted on September 8, 2011 at 3:30pm

    So…let me get this straight…if we don’t do something, the effects on our kids and grandkids will be disastrous, but if we take this approach aren’t the effects even more disastrous for the kids/grandkids cause they won’t be allowed to be born? Anyone else see the irony? “it’s for the children”….really?

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    • Longing for Change
      Posted on September 8, 2011 at 4:09pm

      That is the point. We take this approach and there WILL NOT BE CHILDREN to worry about!!!

      I am just about to explode with all the hate filled speech from the left. Listen to Glenn third hour today with David Horowitz. Let us join Glenn and pick up the torch and carry it!

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    • Komponist-ZAH
      Posted on September 9, 2011 at 1:40am

      The message in a nutshell:
      “Don’t have children so your children will live in a better world.” (“Better” by whose standard?)

      More proof that leftists are wholly irrational.

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  • LadyIzShy
    Posted on September 8, 2011 at 3:28pm

    a shove

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  • Talmid of Yeshua
    Posted on September 8, 2011 at 3:27pm

    Eugenics or not, I agree with exactly what he said. America for Americans. This was Hitler’s message: Germany for Germans. If you aren’t German, GTFO!

    Now, I’m Jewish, and I disagree with the way the Jews, Gypsies, and other were treated, but bottom line: America for Americans. If you are a foreigner, GTFO, legal or illegal. We don’t want you here.

    Get rid of the foreigners, cut all welfare programs, and make lazy, no-good welfare recipients work for a living. If they riot in the streets, you shoot them down. Bottom line. My solution would work. I believe in results, not talk.

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    • poverty.sucks
      Posted on September 8, 2011 at 3:37pm

      It’s a historical fact you point out, Jewish people NEVER fit into other people’s groups society. Jewish people are always different. They don’t conform to the norm because they have their own way of doing things. There’s nothing wrong with that until you accept the fact Jewish people ARE unique.

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    • CS_GUY
      Posted on September 8, 2011 at 3:45pm

      The prisons are full of your buddies………..go visit

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    • Lloyd Drako
      Posted on September 8, 2011 at 3:59pm

      Why “legal or illegal?” Legal? You want people who played by the rules and obeyed the law and are in the process of becoming citizens to GTFO? Being Jewish, you must realize that if Americans had taken that attitude, say, 100 or 150 years ago, your own ancestors would have been expelled and probably not survived the Holocaust. That is, unless there were Jewish Indians. Think twice, post once.

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    • TSUNAMI-22
      Posted on September 8, 2011 at 4:25pm

      @ Talmid of Yeshua

      Unless you’re from Native American Indian descent, you just cut your own throat.

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  • TheBeesKnowSoros
    Posted on September 8, 2011 at 3:27pm

    I watched this commercial during the debate and had to ‘rewind’ the dvr to make sure I had seen what I actually saw! I was shocked at this. How about instead of limiting legal immigrants, we start with the ILLEGAL ones. Now hearing about the rest of their views really scares me.

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  • Hickory
    Posted on September 8, 2011 at 3:26pm

    When you wade into a cesspool like MSNBC, you are going to come out with crap on your boots. This commercial was just another one of their crappy subliminal messages. Progressives never give up trying to change us. The more times they throw crap against the wall………. some of it sticks.

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  • Mandors
    Posted on September 8, 2011 at 3:26pm

    So, is everyone being clueless about the fact that MSNBC ran this add so viewers would associate this extremist group with the GOP?

    God, I hate it when liberal halfwits think they’re being so clever.

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    • Teaparty-grammy
      Posted on September 8, 2011 at 6:51pm

      I did not see the commercials, but that was my first thought when I heard about it–that it was a deliberate attempt to associate this nut-group with the Tea Party. After all, are they not continually accusing us of being nut cases and mental incompetents?

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    • Suzee
      Posted on September 11, 2011 at 12:59am

      The elitist Repubs are clueless for thinking that they have to placate the left by allowing MSNBC to host a debate. I understand that the Politico people are main contributors to the Reagan Library….wow that was a big mistake…so they had their foot in the door from the start……I am sure the execs @ politico infiltrated on purpose…..I am sick and tired of waiting for someone to vote for and all just jump through the hoops of the libs agenda……..when will we have a candidate that says: “Hell no I am not going to participate in this kind of process.” All the mouths on both sides said Gingrich ruined himself by being an ‘attack dog’ towards the media…..but you know what I got what he was saying…….both sides said that Perry needed more experience debating because he came off so brash……but I got what he was saying too. I don’t think any media knows what WE the PEOPLE are thinking or reading or deciding……I just wish they would just report and quit trying to put THEIR analysis in all of our heads……..We are more informed and self-educated than any of these mouths who just want to talk to get a pay check.

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  • Locked
    Posted on September 8, 2011 at 3:21pm

    Only a complete loon looks at sex education for women and says it “doesn’t seem like a far cry” from forced sterilization. Madeleine Morgenstern seems to be at that point.

    Anyone else notice some of the newer article-writers on the site tend to deliberately be stirring the pot for kicks?

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    • crazedbanshee
      Posted on September 8, 2011 at 3:33pm

      Even the title of the article has no reference to the education process. They are pointing out that part of the mission of this organization is to “encouraging lower fertility.” Even the title of the Article states the possibility of the site promoting eugenics. Do you just have a low comprehension skills, or are you the one trying to stir the pot?

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    • Locked
      Posted on September 8, 2011 at 3:49pm

      Um…
      “While Californians for Population Stabilization does not itself advocate outright for any kind of forced sterilization, that doesn’t seem like a far cry from everything else it favors:

      With the number of unintended pregnancies in the U.S., high abortion rates in cities such as New York City (41 percent) and teen pregnancies, CAPS believes there’s significant opportunity to educate U.S. girls and women about better choices to ensure their health and prosperity and that of their children, which ultimately will also contribute to a sustainable population.”"

      That‘s the particular part I’m referring to, where Morgenstern compares forced sterilization to sexual education by saying “that doesn’t seem like a far cry from” one to the other. No, it’s actually a pretty far cry to anyone not wearing tinfoil on their head.

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    • crazedbanshee
      Posted on September 8, 2011 at 6:55pm

      The overall article is to state the possibility that this organizations thought process could lead to an over reaching govt. Did they not ask that all birth control methods be covered by insurance? If you have it your way who is going to be in control of insurance? If the govt controls insurance who is going to be paying for birth? What happens when birth control doesnt slow down teen pregnancy? Are you really that ignorant that you think it is a lack of education causing people to not use birth control? Do you really think that it isnt a lack of self control and care for consequences? So now that teen pregnancy does not slow down and the govt controlled insurance is paying for all these babies we now have a problem that needs to be solved. So all of the great socialist geniuses get together and decide it is best for society if people are sterilized, but you cant sterilize everyone, so who doesnt get it? Well since we are just animals we should sterilize those with a weaker genetics. So the great socialist minds get together and identify who it is that has a weaker genetic pool. A far cry I think not, you are just not looking past tomorrow.

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  • progressiveslayer
    Posted on September 8, 2011 at 3:19pm

    The racist founder of planned parenthood Margret Sanger wanted to in her words ‘eliminate’ the black race.The progressives have done a good job of scrubbing the record of Sanger, so it’s no surprise blacks like what she did,they didn‘t and still don’t know the racist origins of planned parenthood.

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    • Mandors
      Posted on September 8, 2011 at 3:24pm

      Hitler acquired many of his ideas from Harvard professors and even corresponded with them.

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    • crazedbanshee
      Posted on September 8, 2011 at 3:27pm

      Hey geniuses how is the gov’t going to get you all this free money you want if the tax base dwindles?

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on September 8, 2011 at 3:36pm

      @ Mandors

      That is very interesting. Who did he correspond with by name?

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    • Lloyd Drako
      Posted on September 8, 2011 at 3:48pm

      Sanger was a eugenicist and a racist. However, I can find nowhere any expression of her intent to “eliminate” blacks, though she did fear her attempts to promote birth control among negroes might give some that impression.

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    • progressiveslayer
      Posted on September 8, 2011 at 4:04pm

      @ Lloyd drako It’s a little bit of a read but backs up my point.http://www.citizenreviewonline.org/special_issues/population/the_negro_project.htm

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    • Lloyd Drako
      Posted on September 8, 2011 at 4:19pm

      Thanks for the link!

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    • stloocardsfan
      Posted on September 8, 2011 at 4:24pm

      “The most merciful thing that a large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it.”
      Margaret Sanger, Women and the New Race
      (Eugenics Publ. Co., 1920, 1923)

      On blacks, immigrants and indigents:
      “…human weeds,‘ ’reckless breeders,‘ ’spawning… human beings who never should have been born.” Margaret Sanger, Pivot of Civilization

      On the extermination of blacks:
      “We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the ***** population,” she said, “if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members.” Woman’s Body, Woman’s Right: A Social History of Birth Control in America

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    • doncorleone
      Posted on September 8, 2011 at 7:55pm

      Italians too, F.D.R., joint chiefs, knew the routes for hitler’s “final solution”, blacks have a major axe to grind w/progressives and choose not to. These three groups vote democrat overwhelmingly, it’s lunacy.

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  • Detroit paperboy
    Posted on September 8, 2011 at 3:19pm

    I never thought i would say this but….
    If welfare receipients want to abort thier offspring,
    LET THEM . please forgive me lord . Im sorry.
    Just dont borrow 4 billion a day from china !

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    • bertr
      Posted on September 8, 2011 at 5:46pm

      Rather its legal or illegal doesnt make it wrong or right, people will choose not to abort or to abort rather its legal or not legal and the right or wrong of that personal decision will never change.
      The other sad truth, is if you can’t support yourself, whoever is supporting you becomes your master, and when time get hard CAN excercise thier power to exterminate you, right or wrong its how real life works.
      If you’re on government health care or other similiar programs to support you because you cant support yourselve, you have already given the power of chooseing when you live or die over to them.

      You think we’re in trouble with whats coming soon? At least we’ll live, its uncertain what will become of those on food stamps and other government programs if they really try to keep and “fix” the system to be sustainable

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  • NeoKong
    Posted on September 8, 2011 at 3:17pm

    I did not see that commercial but I did see the one with Mr. Magoo standing on the Hoover Dam.

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  • RootsOfTruth
    Posted on September 8, 2011 at 3:14pm

    Hrmmm… slow legal??

    Common sense says that will speed up Illegal

    OOh… my bad… forgot this was California

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  • a_lady_patriot
    Posted on September 8, 2011 at 3:14pm

    I saw this commercial as a “nudge” toward population control.

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  • DimmuBorgir
    Posted on September 8, 2011 at 3:13pm

    Well some demographics could use some birth control…or at least self restraint.

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    • Solzhenitsin
      Posted on September 8, 2011 at 3:22pm

      Some of those demographics in California have stated that they aim to outbreed other demographics as a means of taking over.

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on September 8, 2011 at 4:05pm

      Take over & make it like Mexico?

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  • HKS
    Posted on September 8, 2011 at 3:13pm

    If population control is your goal, close the boarders. Dumb A**

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on September 8, 2011 at 3:57pm

      Every family that does not have first generation Americans could have less than 2 kids per family.

      So it would reason that we could have a sustainable population as defined by the left at some time in the calculable future.

      But it is the same left that throws the borders wide open.

      And cries crocodile tears over explosive growth.

      Maybe they don’t want people, maybe they want sheeple.

      Cuz everyone immigrant you might live in a shack working for substandard wage wants to make damn sure their children or grand children live in the suburbs like everyone else they see.

      So how are leftist policies preventing urban sprawl and limiting population growth?

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  • Gonzo
    Posted on September 8, 2011 at 3:12pm

    Last night was the first time my TV was ever tuned to MSNBC for more than about 3 seconds…and it was painful.

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  • ejbonk
    Posted on September 8, 2011 at 3:11pm

    WHO IN THE NAME OF GOD ALLOWED THIS CRAP ON THE AIR? Do the networks no longer vet this stuff. This is right out of a NAZI Germany Play Book. GOD SAVE US ALL. I STAND WITH ISRAEL!

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    • momprayn
      Posted on September 8, 2011 at 3:23pm

      These networks never do anything in “the name of God” & are purposefully shown to indoctrinate the masses to their depraved agendas.

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  • randy
    Posted on September 8, 2011 at 3:11pm

    My god these people are sick and clueless

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