Did China Get Plans for Our Semi-Secret F-22 Raptor And Copy It? See the Alleged Pictures
- Posted on June 4, 2012 at 9:12am by
Liz Klimas
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Last week, the blog China Defense posted two photos, nearly identical, with only one line of text: “Just in case you might get confused, only one bird below is the J-20.”
(Image via China Defense)
(Image via China Defense)
Gizmodo magnifies the pictures and puts them side-by-side for a better comparison:
The J-20 stealth fighter is the creation of the Chengdu Aircraft Industry Group for the People’s Liberation Army in China. About a year and a half ago, the People’s Liberation Army conducted its first tests of the aircraft, which is expected to be fully operational sometime between 2017 and 2019.
(Related: See the new pictures of China‘s ’Mighty Dragon’ J-20 stealth fighter)
If only one is a J-20, can you guess the other? According to Gizmodo and others, it is an F-22 Raptor. The two are eerily similar, no? The technology and design of the aircraft by Lockheed Martin, Gizmodo notes, is still largely secret. If that’s the case, what do the similarities between these two photos mean?
Closer up of the F-22 Raptor. (Image via Gizmodo)
Gizmodo speculates:
Looking at the comparison, it seems like they may have been some leaks. In fact, this comparison image is screaming espionage and reverse engineering with a 20,000-watt speaker right on Uncle Sam’s face. A 20,000-watt speaker made in China.
Defense Tech makes the same assumption. It also points out that this is the first time a picture has been shown of the J-20′s holographic HUD at this proximity.
Here’s a clip allegedly showing the J-20′s first test flight back in January 2011:
This Lockheed Martin video from Dec. 2011 describes more about the F-22 Raptor and shows some footage of it in flight:
What are your thoughts? Has the J-20 stolen some design elements from the F-22?
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Comments (264)
Apple Bite
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 10:13amSo…how much you want to bet this thing falls out of the sky after 30mins-1hr of flight? Just like all the rest of their lame stuff…
Report Post »mountainmover101
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 10:46amHa true so true
Report Post »contkmi
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 11:25amYou are more right than you know. In fact, it pretty much happened that way, too. I worked for a company that makes parts for the F-22. The China thing is a big joke, kinda like putting on a show by making the lights on the front of a computer blink even though there’s nothing inside.
Report Post »hidden_lion
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 12:36pmI wonder if they fixed the oxygen problem on the Chinese version.
Report Post »Most of the internal workings are ordered from China anyway and of course they stole it, just like the Soviets copied the B-1 bomber,f-15, and the a-10. America is not very good at keeping her secrets.
soybomb315
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 1:18pmkinda makes you wonder why we would spend $7billion-ish developing a plane that would be instantly copied and essentially unnecessary from an operational perspective. Hmm, i wonder if the special interests had anything to do with it
Report Post »nkawtg
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 1:42pmToo late, it and a sister ship have already flown.
Report Post »mils
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 1:48pmsteal
steal> no…
given….yes
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Report Post »Unix
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 3:37pmIt’s the PILOT that makes the difference, and I’ll USAF pilot any day over their Chinese counterpart!
Report Post »MCDAVE
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 5:07pmHere is evidence that our elected officials trade our technology secrets and weapons with Turkey in exchange for heroin http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/whos-afraid-of-sibel-edmonds/
Report Post »NHwinter
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 5:36pmBet Obama gave it to them.
Report Post »guitarspook
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 5:46pmOne of my brothers worked for comcast buisness internet tech support a year ago. He had a guy call in from his home trying to hook up his Lockheed-Martin work laptop to his home network. He even bragged about having sensitive material on the lappy…idiot. My brother wasn’t able to do it but the moron was pretty motivated to get it running at home and was going to continue trying. I am sure he wasn’t the only one. Hacking is not that dificult for someone who knows what they are doing and it would not surprise me if China kept at the minimum electronic tabs on defense engineers.
Report Post »ALPHAMEL
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 5:49pmQuality control is unknown in China.
Report Post »This is clearly the result of espionage.
Perhaps Lockhead made a mistake in building their F 22′s in China to save money!
rickroland
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 6:37pmWell, the F-22 has problems of it’s own, to the point where the manufacture of more of them has ended or is about to be. Last I read/heard, the F-35 was where joint-force were putting their money. However, I suspect that for what problems the F-22 had, the Chinese version is probably fraught with even more problems.
Report Post »Purveyor
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 7:06pmAPPLE,
I can understand, even share your sentiments, however, China is the land Sun Tzu, who would warn any Commander–”never underestimate your enemy.” Furthermore, “Imitation” is the greatest flattery.” (Note: did American passivity provide China with, and how much, “imitation?”
The West has made a habit of underestimating the Oriental war fighting capacity, particularly in the last 200 hundred years. America may presently hold the technological edge, but our acquiescence and moralizing may have rendered that advantage, moot?
Purveyor
Report Post »Dudley Do-Right
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 7:11pmMCDAVE
It wouldn‘t surprise me one bit but I wouldn’t put too much stock in anything Sibel Edmonds or Philip Giraldi say. Both of them were players in the Niger forgeries caper. Giraldi was a member of the Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity or VIPS for short. This is the group of disgruntled and retired CIA employees that Seymour Hersh suggested created the Niger forgeries, hoping Bush would run with them. They planned to discredit and embarrass Bush if he had used those forgeries as evidence that IRAQ had WMD. Hersh’s article was called “The Stovepipe” and published in The New Yorker, scroll about 2/3′s of the way down.
http://archive.truthout.org/article/seymour-hersh-the-stovepipe
Here’s a wiki list of the VIPS including Giraldi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veteran_Intelligence_Professionals_for_Sanity
Report Post »philipzhao
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 7:50pmGreat minds have the same thoughts ?
Report Post »edmundburk
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 9:44pmthat’s rather arrogant, this is probley stolen techinolgy.
Report Post »BOMUSTGO
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 10:36pmThe pilot has to sit on a Chinese phonebook just to see out of the cockpit! A real c*h*i*n*k in the armor!
Report Post »Uranium Wedge
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 11:35pmLooks like he got that shirt off a dead chinee
Report Post »ghostsouls
Posted on June 5, 2012 at 1:25amThis must be part of obamas payment to China on our national debt.
Report Post »MR_ANDERSON
Posted on June 5, 2012 at 1:48amI laugh at the thought of America not keeping her secrets. We keep the secrets we want to keep.
As for countries building aircraft we already have…
…I am starting to make Iphone 4′s you interested? They’ll be ready in the fall, just about the time the real inventers start pushing out the Iphone 5.
Fact remains, those that are copying/stealing are behind the curve. We have the F-22 now, and the J-20 will be ready in about 5 years. How many of you think we are not already in design of the next generation of Stealth Aircraft/Spacecraft?
Seriously, let China waste their money on the J-20, it will continue to be inferior to the F-22, and the (S)F-X will blow both out of the air. I think we leak the plans to purposely cause China to have to spend its money to try and keep up with us.
Report Post »marssnw
Posted on June 5, 2012 at 2:31amActually the word is that they are better than ours unfortunately.
Report Post »old white guy
Posted on June 5, 2012 at 6:46amit won’t fall out of the sky if it is an exact duplicate of the f22. who was pres when the f22 was developed?
Report Post »RolloverRiderPGR
Posted on June 5, 2012 at 2:35pmI want to know if there is a gun mounted in the seat headrest because we all know anything the Chinese make is trash and any test pilot worth being called one would be scared to death to fly the POS! He‘ll be drug to the AC and strapped in knowing if he doesn’t make the thing take off he’s a deader! I bet the ejection seat isn’t even activated to keep his arse in the thing to ride it down!
As I said above the Chinese have NEVER invented anything of any worth except for gun powder! ALL of their weapons of war were designed by other countries and either the plans were bought or stolen from the original makers! SO this POS might work but with all the Chinese crap in it I’ll give it to 20,000 feet or 10 hours flight time before it fails as the world has seen time and time again with baby toys to some things bigger like women’s “play toys” and their life expectancy or pulled from the market because they use the cheap[est and most dangerous chemicals or metals they can! That’s what happens when communists try to be capitalists and more greedy that any in free or semi free countries!
Want something counterfeited? Well go to China BUT do not expect the quality from the product! They have been world wide thieves and why would you think they would change? The country with the best mafia gangs that make the Italians and Russians look like kindergarten rookies!
As to this POS AC? Yeah, our pilots aren’t that worried about it except for the generals that have to say w
Report Post »rpm64
Posted on June 5, 2012 at 9:45pmBetter check your history friend. What came first the MIG 15 or the F86 Sabrejet and why do you think they looked so much alike?
Report Post »jim1964
Posted on June 8, 2012 at 12:57pmThe Chicoms only know how to copy and NOT produce thier own.example,Look at thier space program and thier “space Station” LOL looks just like the early Soyut stations, look it up.
Report Post »Gizzy
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 12:17pmI expect to see it on Wal-Mart’s shelves within the year!
Report Post »forthepeople
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 10:13amChina care only about themselves , always have , always will !
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 2:33pmLook to GE… for the links… of Treason…
Report Post »DrSique
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 3:13pmChina is supposed to care about themselves. We are the azzhats funding our own demise.
Report Post »Ded-Bred
Posted on June 5, 2012 at 3:05amWhy does everyone feign shock & surprise over Chi-Com getting technology from our commanders-in-chief?
Ol’ Slick Willy was letting them steal hi tech military while it was in the R & D stage. And am I the only who’s aware of Obama & his mother are COMMUNIST CHINESE SYMPATHIZERS? His entire presidency has been an attack on free market strategies, freedom, liberty and morality.
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Report Post »Marsh626
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 10:13amThe West does all the hard work and the East just copies it…
Report Post »BOMUSTGO
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 10:27pmLook at the Russian space shuttle,Buran, it looks a lot like ours.(Until NASA went to Muslim outreach).
Report Post »IZJ
Posted on June 5, 2012 at 12:41amTechnology is all in the details:
1. Materials – you can shape a part from two different metals and it will look the same but will act differently under stress.
2. Tolerances – you can’t judge from these pictures how close the tolerances even on the outside. These will be a crucial factor on performance.
3. Engine – both power and efficiency are important. There are Lamborghini and Ferrari lookalike car builders but they use at best modified Chevy engines which don’t come close to the original. The same goes for this plane.
4. Electronics – there’s no chance they have the same internal hardware and complex software. Add the ammunition, smart rockets and integration and you have two different beasts altogether.
It’s sad that people are so stuck up on being superficial, judging by the exterior. There are thousands of engineers who make the difference both by their ingenuity and by their dedication.
Report Post »AJAYW
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 10:11amwhen obama the racist is voted out in Nov. he and holder and hillery clinton needs to be arrested and charged with treason for giving away all of our defensive secrets.
Report Post »tmesh
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 5:16pmYou’re an idoit. 1st: You are doing the republican thing here, you are a racist and so to make it ok, you accuse Obama of being racist. Look up the word racist and smack yourself a couple times for being so stupid. 2nd: Do you really think that they sold the plans to the Chinese? Man, you really need to stop watching Faux News. They are frying your brain. It’s been proven that Faux News makes you more stupid that my 6 year old. Even she knows that it is wrong to trash someone just because of what they look like.
Report Post »Stone Cold Truth
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 5:33pmThat guy may have posted some provocative words like racist, but you’re still a douchebag. Calling Republicans racist because some guy calls Obama a reverse racist on a comments page about an airplane is pretty dumb, too. Also, you may want to recheck those studies alluding FOXNews as having the dumbest audience because they are rigged. Basically, pot, meet kettle.
Report Post »SaintzOfAk
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 6:08pmTmesh..your a fkn idiot!. There’s overwhelming evidence to prove that we have been selling techs to the chinese. Why don’t you pull your head outta your ass and do some research instead of mocking without ANY! proof to back up your claims you tool.
Report Post »woodyb
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 9:27pmTMESH — it appears that your brain was strained through the MESH — nowhere did AJAYW call OBOZO a racist!!!!!!!
You need to understand the difference between “racist” and “traitor”
And, while it may be wrong to trash someone because of their looks, it is NOT WRONG to trash them if they ARE TRASH!!!!!!!!!
Report Post »edmundburk
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 9:49pm@TMESH- the clintons gave the chiense access to our techinogly what do you expect the clinton/chinese “coffees” were all about?
Report Post »ncrdbl1
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 11:40pmTMESH if you remember your history Bill Clinton reclassified certain US technology to get around a ban in place in order to send China rocket guidance technology.
Report Post »airportengineer
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 10:06amIt looks like it was “made in China” too!
Report Post »tzion
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 10:05amWhy not? China has no respect for copyright laws to begin with. You give them one copy of a newly released movie and they’ll reproduce it themselves in order to profit off it. Their country is incapable of any level of innovation so they just copy everyone else.
Report Post »StraightDave
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 10:02amBig deal! The Raptor is 90′s technology so China is about 20 years behind the U.S.
Report Post »@leftfighter
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 10:19amWait. Are you saying that you wouldn’t be concerned is a wing of these things were heading our way?
Report Post »MONICNE
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 10:25amBring it on!
Report Post »navydoc2008
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 2:06pmDon’t worry. Anyone who knows aircraft can plainly see that there are some critical flaws in the design that show that this is in no way a functional knock off it may fly but it does not posess the same capabilities. Besides there is no way their pilots could match ours. Also as we develope new aircraft technologies we also develope weapons to be able to respond to those advances.
Report Post »SLOWBIDEN
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 3:31pmDid we develop a new way of spelling develop?
Report Post »hidden_lion
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 4:58pmNavydoc-
Report Post »“Besides there is no way their pilots could match ours. ”
Everybody says that, but how would anyone know? The chinese have not displayed their tactics to the world continuously over the past 20 years, we have no way to know how good or how pathetically bad they are. think of this, How many US pilots have done any air-to air? How many against a skilled opponent? Vietnam was the last time there really was any significant mixing in air to air combat. To be self assured is a good thing, but to underestimate an enemy could be fatal. Also consider how many of our aircraft are flying on bootleg, chinese made parts.
MR_ANDERSON
Posted on June 5, 2012 at 8:04am@HIDDEN_LION
Let me disect;
“How many US pilots have done any air-to air? How many against a skilled opponent?”
All the ones who fly the combat fighter aircraft, it is required in training. Additionally, do you think they just fly flight paths waiting for war? No, they have many exercises in which they take part in air to air combat with many different nations and aircraft.
“Vietnam was the last time there really was any significant mixing in air to air combat.”
See the above answer, and for those who say it isn’t the same…Pilots have the biggest egos, winning anything, even a training mission is bragging rights. (As for significant, I guess you could throw out the Gulf War.)
“Also consider how many of our aircraft are flying on bootleg, chinese made parts.”
Report Post »Very few, one of the only things the military runs well is the aircraft design and maintenance program. While you’ll find flaws and an instance here or there that will support your statement, there are hundreds more that support mine.
FEISTY
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 9:58amChinese knock off. Half price.
Report Post »MCDAVE
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 5:12pmThey may soon be available at Walmart
Report Post »mike057
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 9:55amChina buys US debt. China gets secrets. What next? What about giving them a State. They are already building industrial cities inside the US. This is the current administrations foriegn policy. No more American exceptionalism.
Report Post »dliedke
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 12:17pmCan we give them California? Californians are so liberal they wouldn’t even notice!
Report Post »Pokerjoe
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 1:10pmIm thinking why arnt there more china towns here in America? I dont think we have one here in Oklahoma.
Report Post »honor007
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 4:50pmlook at Agenda 21. They may already own one?
Report Post »tmesh
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 5:25pmChina buys Treasury Bonds from us, that is where the loans come from. Did you know that China only owns 8% of them? The American public owns around 60%. This is a false statement fed to the American public by the right wing to scare us. Stop being so damn stupid and believing what the right has to say. The Republican party has been taken over by a bunch of conmen and have brainwashed the Republican party into voting against themselves. They have no intention of getting the economy going again. Romney intends to suck any money that’s left in government and give it to the top .001%. Just like he did to the businesses that he worked with. If he wins, mark my words, there will be no democracy left. It will be an oligarcy with around 1000 people rich beyond thier wildest dreams and the rest of us not even making enough money to purchase food from the very stores we work in.
Report Post »Stone Cold Truth
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 5:44pmTMESH, let me guess, Ron Paul fan? Now I understand.
Report Post »armyofnibiru
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 10:52pmtmess never a complaint about trecherous democrats or the lying 95% of media.you are hatefull person so full of sheit your eyes are brown.how long have you been a member of the KKK?
Report Post »FreedomPurveyor
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 9:47amEver consider that maybe they just made it look like an F-22 so they could pretend they are on the same level as the US technologically? The fact that they are calling attention to the similarity tells you they want everyone to think so.
Report Post »MONICNE
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 10:14amLOL
Whenever a headline uses “Alleged” and when text describes apples and oranges as “nearly identical,” you are being mistreated by an amateur reporter unable to make a factual assertion.
But it sure is fun to toss a little red meat to the lions!
POW MIA families need finality.
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 10:36am@FreedomPurveyor
Report Post »I agree. Also, these 2 aircraft are so dissimilar it looks like they were working off of photos taken at an airshow and not blueprints. McDill AFB had a F-22 displayed several years ago with all the launch bays open. I took photos from only 20′ away. And yes, there were a few Chinese guys in the crowd taking pictures.
bpodlesnik
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 1:46pmOther than a green light, I see no similarities.
Report Post »KickinBack
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 6:41pmDoesn’t matter what kind of gear they have, It’s the pilots that count. Our men and women are some of the best trained/combat tested pilots in the world. China has lot of catching up to do.
Report Post »brntout
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 9:45amBy the time any aircraft goes into production ,it is already obsolete.Skunkworks used to already have a prototype being test flown of the next generation aircraft when you saw these appear in public.I’d say it used to be a 20 year jump ahead in technology advancement already in the sky being tested,but under this administratio, it may have regressed severely.
Report Post »ICanComment
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 10:31am@BRNTOUT
Agreed. I was thinking the same thing; we’ve already got something better well in the works.
Still not good, though. I remember reading on several occasions in the past of incidents where we’ve caught contractors or some such personnel taking sensitive data out of a facility.
Report Post »Belchfire V-8
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 4:50pmdream on, the budget isn’t there for it
Report Post »hidden_lion
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 5:03pmHaving something in the works does not equal having something operational. We are still flying aircraft mostly from the 1970′s. The p-51 mustang went from design to production in 90 days, now it takes 20 years to produce a new plane that is obsolete and to expensive to produce in any meaningful numbers.
Report Post »AMENDMENT
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 9:43amFixed** In fact, this comparison image is screaming espionage and reverse engineering with a 20,000-watt speaker right on Uncle Sam’s face. A 20,000-watt speaker made in China. And purchased from a Walmart store.
Report Post »JRook
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 9:50amWhy is anyone surprised. Lockheed or Boeing probably outsourced a majority of the parts to China. And of course perpetuation of the new military arms race requires there to be parity among our “enemies” real or perceived. Ok mostly perceived. No surprise that these types of reports become more frequent with discussions regarding limiting defense spending. I mean after all we only spend about 10 times what China does.
Report Post »mensa141
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 10:24am@JROOK – not one part of the F-22 was built outside the USA. None. Outsourcing was tried on the C-130J at one point but pulled back into the USA. Rumor was that the parts were inferior but others said it was for national security reasons. Both built at Lockheed in Marietta, GA.
Report Post »scuba13
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 10:50amJrook caught lying again, what else is new?
Report Post »JRook
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 11:04am@scuba13 Oh ok tiger…. Let’s see some facts about each component of every part, including the metal and all electronic prats. As far as your particular problem I would write it off to long periods of low oxygen during you dives and more likely a genetic problem. Your obviously can’t comprehend the term probably and missed the reference to the need to maintain the arms race. There is more than enough evidence to suggest that the military industrial complex goes to extreme means to perpetuate itself. And as we have seen the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan weren‘t enough to help Bush’s failed economic performance. You know the guy that handed the worst economy to his successor since the great depression.
Report Post »JRook
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 11:35am@scuba13 Tell you what you keep exercising you mind with complex thinking and language arts like calling people liars. I’ll just keep reading and educating myself.
http://defensetech.org/2012/03/28/gao-buys-fake-submarine-parts-from-china/
And how exactly would these Chinese companies get the specifications or parts to copy. And your telling me the military contractors don’t know what they are buying from who. Now talk to me about national security.
Report Post »JRook
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 11:41am@mensa141 Thanks, you may or may not be right on this particular project. In deciding that here are some other useful facts about Lockheed. “Lockheed Martin also ranks #1 on the ‘contractor misconduct’ database maintained by the Project on Government Oversight, a Washington-DC-based watchdog group. Since 1995, Lockheed Martin has agreed to pay $577 million to settle fifty-four instances of misconduct.“ and ”November 2011 – Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman and Boeing – BOGUS PARTS! – “Counterfeit goods are a clear and present danger and a threat to our troops. There is a flood of counterfeits and it is putting our military men and women at risk and costing us a fortune.” Please don’t try and convince me what Lockheed and other military contractors are and are not capable of.
Report Post »scuba13
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 12:46pm“You may or may not be right” That tells me you are an idiot and a liar.
Report Post »JRook
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 3:57pm@scuba13 I‘m sure your laughable intellectual prowess might actually work with your friends who don’t know any better, realize you are a lost cause or agree in the hope you will shut up. But with real people you have to grow up and address the facts and the substance of the argument. It is certainly possible that some percentage of the fraudulent parts found their way into one of these fighters. And a half a $ billion in fines for Lockheed places their ethics and integrity in question. And those are fines from a defense department which helps them every way possible to say the least.
Report Post »scuba13
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 4:13pmJrook you have no intellectual prowess, all you do is lie.
Report Post »Michael
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 6:25pmAll “parts” are made in the USA. Yet how many components of those parts are made in China? We don’t make much in the way of microchips, and board level components in the US anymore. So where are these parts coming from???
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 9:43amOnce again we see the fruits of Chinese espionage and spycraft; along with the supporting treason of Obama himself giving away all of our defensive secrets.
Report Post »OniMan
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 9:38amStop with the Obama crap, you ignorant fools.. Any simple twit can see the cockpit is the only similar part of the entire plane, go online and compare 5th generation fighters from around the world and you will clearly see the plane does not look like a copy of the f-22 or the JSF 3-35 or the Russian Sukhoi planes.
Report Post »Tankertony
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 9:45amIts all obummers fault. It was a gift to his marxist buddies in China.
Report Post »Remember, he did have a Mao ornament on his xmas tree.
ICanComment
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 10:48am@OniMan
You don’t seem like you have much of an affinity for this site (am I wrong?), so why are you here? What do you hope to accomplish by insulting people who disagree with you? “Oh, okay, you were right?” If you disagree with most of what’s said here, why not refrain from reading the comments, or read news from sites that share your viewpoint?
Report Post »HickoryStonewall
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 9:36amWould it be easier to ask… what secret the “Chinee” haven’t stolen? We still owe them for Korea.
Report Post »Myron_J_Poltroonian
Posted on June 5, 2012 at 8:27pmWe What?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Report Post »Myron_J_Poltroonian
Posted on June 5, 2012 at 8:40pmOn reflection, they owe us for Korea. They owe Harry Truman for not letting General Douglas MacArthur leave to follow his desire to cross the Yalu River and drive the Sorry-Alpha’d Red Chinese all the way back to Peking or their Siberian border with Russia.
Report Post »Ghandi was a Republican
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 9:34amAnd it is also a very good point that anything that makes dictatorships like China look better is a political talking point for obama, since State Capitalism (Crony communism) is what obama wants to sell the ignorant among us.
Report Post »Slowman101
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 9:34amTypical Chinese. They try to copy everything they can.
Report Post »zoro51
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 9:31amwonder WHOM gave them this?? PBAMA!!! since the socialist gives away OUR tax dollars so FREELY……makes u wonder
Report Post »theblazerunner
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 9:31amwhy is the information hooked up to the worldwide grid…?
seems like the dod,govt, other important systems would have their own net? private, safe , secure.
Report Post »goahead.makemyday
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 10:15amMost do but have either a satellite or wifi connection to other computers(or mobile devices) so agents can access the system when not in the building. It’s through these portals that hackers get into. Bluetooth and most wifi connections are easier to hack into than normal firewalls. Did you know that if you use a bluetooth device the signal can be accessed by other devices? Also that if a person guessed your pin that they could forcibly transfer what’s on your phone to their device?
Report Post »theblazerunner
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 10:55amcan block all access …
only children and ignorant leave the doors open.
32-64 bit encryption keys ?
Report Post »firewalls…unplugging it from the dam wall…?
theblazerunner
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 11:00amin my dept we had no access out…no information left the complex… ever.
seems strange that national security info is left this unprotected.
Report Post »wdittgasn
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 12:21pmThey have it hooked to the net for the very reason of it being stolen, got to make it look like an accident.
Report Post »NOBALONEY
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 9:28amChina’s State Capitalism: Anything for a price, or the Obama administration will give it to us.
Report Post »gpearl
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 9:26amIf I were China, I would just fire my research development team and hire more hackers. It is probably cheaper and more successful. Then I would gather up enough campaign contributions to keep Obama in office who spills secrets for reelection purposes. Great strategy from China.
Report Post »Stoic one
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 10:03amhackers ARE the R&D department
Report Post »Ghandi was a Republican
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 9:25amObama has downloaded ever terabytes of information, intelligence and military for his oft stated goal (via soros and his cohorts, czars and other allegiance) to take America down.
Report Post »Obama’s is a highly orchestrated mission to punish America for the agenda of his brainwashed mushy drug addled indoctrinated pea brain. Does obma do anything he publicly claims he will do? NO!. Does obama follow the alinsky, coloward/piven, doctrines? YES!
Anything else is mindless speculation based on words that don’t match action!
RightPolitically
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 9:23amWell, they copy everything else…… OF COURSE IT’S A COPY!
Report Post »BurntHills
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 9:23amoh come on, of course obama has already sold our plans and codes to China, he‘s been embezzling our lost Trillions under the guise of redistributing it to his cronies and America’s enemies too.
look what he’s been promising Russia, to totally disarm America; look what obama also did, he gave Russia all of Britain’s nuclear codes; he disarmed Poland’s missle shield and left them defenseless.
.. obama intends to ghetto America into a 3rd World nation with as many millions of us pro-Americans murdered by his ‘private army’ as possible, and he intends to destroy us AND our Allies he sees as Colonialists and Imperialists. yeah, remember his sneering nod to his wife’s ”all this for a damn flag”…..
Report Post »RaydocX
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 9:22amwho said anything about espionage…
Report Post »they likley said to BHO…
You know, comrade, that plane you have decided not to build? We would like the blueprints to it… an exemplar would be even better if it’s not too much trouble. And we promise not to invade the tiny independent island nation of Taiwan that you have ‘promised’ to protect until you steal the election and have begun your second term…”