Did He Do It? Controversy Surrounding Arkansas Man Shot During Arrest Prompts Authorities to Release Dash Cam Video

Police video recorded the night a young man was fatally shot in a northeast Arkansas patrol car while his hands were cuffed behind his back hasn’t resolved questions about whether he shot himself in the head as officers said.

Jonesboro police released footage to The Associated Press and other news organizations under a Freedom of Information Act request this week. They released more footage Friday amid questions about why the first batch of video appeared to end before the officers found Chavis Carter, 21, slumped over and bleeding in the back of a patrol car on July 28 as described in a police report. Police have said officers had frisked Carter twice without finding a gun.

The second batch of video occurred after Carter was discovered, police said.

“There’s still nothing in there about what actually happened with Chavis,” Benjamin Irwin, a Memphis-based lawyer representing Carter’s family, said Friday before the second batch of video had been released.

The internal police investigation into the shooting has not yet been completed. The FBI has said it is also monitoring the case.

Sgt. Lyle Waterworth, spokesman for the Jonesboro police, said Friday morning that he hadn’t yet seen the video his department released the night before. Hours later, amid questions about the dashboard camera video, he agreed to release more footage that he said occurred after Carter was discovered.

No other dashboard camera video exists, he said, but additional video was retrieved during a forensic exam of Carter’s phone. He said that remains part of the active investigation and wouldn’t be released yet.

To explain stops in the video, he said the camera system in both patrol cars is controlled automatically with an emergency light bar and siren system.

“After the light bar is turned off the camera system ends its recording,” Waterworth said in a statement.

The second batch of video begins as what looks like light from a police car flickers on a stretch of road. A dog barks and a white SUV turns around a little ways down the street.

An unseen man curses shortly after he says, “He was breathing a second ago.” An ambulance pulls up and someone, perhaps the same man, says, “I patted him down. I don’t know where he had it hidden.”

Later, someone instructs the others to leave everything as it is.

The video goes on to show an officer cordoning off the area with police tape. Two people can be seen looking on, but they leave after interacting briefly with an officer.

The first batch of video begins when an officer pulls up to a white pickup truck on a dark street in Jonesboro, about 130 miles northeast of Little Rock. He talks to the driver, Carter and another passenger. Police say the officer stopped the truck after someone reported a suspicious vehicle driving up and down the road.

Another officer arrives and searches Carter, who police say initially gave a different name. The officer doesn’t appear to find a gun as he pats Carter down, though something else falls to the ground as the officer shines a flashlight toward Carter.

The officer leads Carter, who is not yet handcuffed, toward the patrol cars and then out of the frame. A police report said Carter was placed in the second patrol car without handcuffs, though the video doesn’t show that.

Meanwhile, the other officer searches the driver and remaining passenger, who then stand in front of the first patrol car. The officer who searched Carter asked them where the rest of the marijuana was because he found some on Carter.

The driver and other passenger are handcuffed and led out of the frame, too.

Eventually, they appear without handcuffs and the officers let them leave.

They keep Carter, who had an arrest warrant out of Mississippi. Court records show it had to do with a drug-related case.

The video ends after the truck drives away and the officers talk about leaving.

“See ya later,” one of the officers says. It sounds like he opens the car door and then the audio cuts out. The police car’s blue lights continue to flash for several seconds, lighting a nearby bush.

Carter was shot in the head, though police have refused to give more specifics.

Police said in a statement that they’re still waiting on a complete autopsy report, forensics and toxicology results from the state crime lab.

In an attempt to show the public that it is indeed possible for someone to shoot themselves while handcuffed, Jonesboro police released the following instructional video:

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The Associated Press contributed to this report.

Comments (154)

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  • christhefanatic
    Posted on August 19, 2012 at 12:49am

    What a crappy job being a police officer is now.

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    • sillyfreshness
      Posted on August 19, 2012 at 1:30am

      Yeah especially now that everyone has video cameras on their cell phones. Now cops can’t beat someone senselessly for no reason without some darn citizen catching it on film. It took all the fun out of being a bully……oops, I mean cop.

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    • EqualJustice
      Posted on August 19, 2012 at 8:45am

      Agree and the criminals get MORE rights than they do most of the time!

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    • The_Almighty_Creestof
      Posted on August 19, 2012 at 10:11am

      In the 80′s I was pulled over and arrested for a DUI. They did not have a breathalyzer so they took me back to teh station, where they left me in the back of the car and walked up to a small “drivethru” type window to get their breathalyzer. After 10 minutes or so (and being very drunk) I thought they had forgot aout me. I twisted my handcuffed hands around and found the switch for the seatbelt band they had going across my waist and clicked it, releasing it. I then twisted again and pulled up the door lock, grabbed the handle and opened the door.

      I then slowly stumbled up the walkway towards them and the officer at the window. They turned, freaked and pulled their guns on me like I was a zombie from a horror movie coming at them.

      They then made me get back in the car and show them several times how I had managed it.

      After that I was thrown in the drunk tank.

      If these officers did anything wrong…it was a bad frisk job and nothing sinister.

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    • hidden_lion
      Posted on August 19, 2012 at 10:37am

      When ever I have seen people handcuffed behind their backs, the cuffs were on much tighter than what they showed in this “instructional” video.
      If they can move that much, what is the point of cuffing them behind their back?

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    • old white guy
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 6:55am

      i would like to see anyone, other than some kind of contortionist, put a gun to their head with their hands securely cuffed behind their back.

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  • trinklefinder
    Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:36pm

    I have a LOT of saint louis city cop “friends”. I’ve seen two separate cop “friends” on two separate occasions at two separate bars with our group of friends who pulled guns on some dude who pissed them off. both times it was absolute mayhem. on the other occasion my third cop friend was on his bachelor party and he pulled his gun on a black pan handler and started yellin at him that he was nothing more than a n***er…..in front of his black sargent no less. i highly dislike cops. in addition i work for a counseling agency who has an EAP program with the st louis city police…we had one cop who came to us because he was accused of rape and another state patrol officer who beat the crap out of his wife. again, i highly dislike cops.

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    • marine249
      Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:45pm

      you are a left-winger? right.

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    • THX-1138
      Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:52pm

      So, you must see all the good cops in your line of work.

      I wonder how many broken toilets my plumber saw last year…

      How many cars that weren’t spewing smoke did you notice on the way to work last Tuesday?

      No one notices the cops (or anything else) that do what they’re supposed do. That’s Psych 101 stuff…

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    • saranda
      Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:53pm

      I hope the victim didn’t bring this on himself by asking if the officer “had been to the stampede yet?”.

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    • trinklefinder
      Posted on August 19, 2012 at 12:19am

      @ marine, im no left winger, for real. @ thx, why would good cops get sent to a counseling agency. cops are cops for a reason, usually because they are high school grads with no other skills or career options. my one cop friend, used bust folks with pot…and hed pocket it and give it to all his dope smoking friends (yup i was one of his recipients). just funny is all.

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    • CrismaFire
      Posted on August 19, 2012 at 12:28am

      A lot of cops suck, I know many crooked cops but I don’t know a single good one. I am an Ultra Right Wing Extremeist. I have seen good cops in videos but only a few and lots of bad cops in videos. I would like to see all cops positions shutdown.

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    • marine249
      Posted on August 19, 2012 at 12:34am

      @CRISMAFIRE

      Maybe you have been watching a little more T.V.
      than you should.

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    • KusoJiJi
      Posted on August 19, 2012 at 12:40am

      i have a couple neighbors who are cops and they are wonderful human beings. they see some awful stuff. they are tested daily. they put up with more crap then most of us can handle, deal with the most miserable people in our society and operate under rules that puts themselves in the line of fire. miss goodie two shoes up top isn’t even good enough to sharpen their pencil much less offer a valid opinion about cops.

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    • Miami
      Posted on August 19, 2012 at 12:46am

      So why are you their friend? If you hate them so much? And why would you satill call them friend after you’ve seen them do all of this? Why did you not report them to the DA?

      As a person who follows the law and respects officers of the law, If I witness a crime I would report said crime. As for my friends in law enforcement, if they fail to follow the law, they don’t deserve to be in lsaw enforcement.

      Something tells me that your friends in law enforcement are either in your head or something you saw in a movie/tv show…?!?!

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    • marine249
      Posted on August 19, 2012 at 1:31am

      @ KUSOJIJI & MIAMI

      You get it.

      THANK YOU.

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    • BryanB
      Posted on August 19, 2012 at 3:37am

      @trinklefinder

      I got bad news for you.

      The majority of Law Enforcement Officers have College, and thats the problem.

      Most Law Enforcement Agencies will not even let someone Test or fill out an employment application, unless the have at least and Associates Degree. And it been a requirement fo over 30 years.

      Law Enforcement Agencies have been knowen to hire convicted felons, just because they have college……..

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    • KevINtampa
      Posted on August 19, 2012 at 4:27am

      @TRINKLEFINDER

      You’re logic is flawed, you’re scope is narrow. Your morality is TWISTED. I hope you realize that.

      I work in a penitentiary. I work near the inmates on a regular basis. Most of the inmates are black. Most of them don’t treat me very well, I’m a custodian of sorts, and I pretty much can’t do my job without insults, taunts, and spit.

      Using your logic, which is REALLY flawed, it would be okay to dislike blacks.

      Well, I don’t. I don’t even dislike inmates, I simply dislike those people who spit on me. Dislike the person, not the race. Dislike the person, not the person because of their job.

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    • RationalPerson17
      Posted on August 19, 2012 at 4:55am

      Yes, there are some bad cops out there. There are some bad counseling agencies out there too.

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    • Godzgrl247
      Posted on August 19, 2012 at 5:19am

      I don’t know where you get the idea that most cops are fresh out of high school and have no other job options. One has to have a batchelor’s degree to be a police officer these days. Yes, there are bad apples in every bunch but if the corruption is as bad as everyone is making it out to be on this page, why aren’t you protesting?

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    • Msgt Ret
      Posted on August 19, 2012 at 8:27am

      It is people like you that give cops a bad name, and with whom they have to spend most of their time!

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    • Msgt Ret
      Posted on August 19, 2012 at 8:32am

      I find it funny how the trolls on this site claim to be “right wing” when they want to denigrate someone or some group. (not sarcasm)

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    • vadale
      Posted on August 19, 2012 at 10:32am

      I just don’t believe you….Typical liberal trying to smear your so called FRIENDS.

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    • Captain77
      Posted on August 19, 2012 at 12:36pm

      A good friend of mine is a Cop and a very good and honest man. He actually respects the rights of the people. Yet even this good man says there is a significant number of power tripping cops in his unit who he wouldn’t trust to be honest. Being a police officer is a position of power and authority. What kind of people are attracted to positions of power and authority? There’s a reason why our government sucks, as well as many of our “law enforcement officers”.

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    • THX-1138
      Posted on August 19, 2012 at 12:52pm

      “why would good cops get sent to a counseling agency”

      Completely missed the point?

      Mechanics see broken cars all day long even though the vast majority are NOT broken.
      You see broken COPS all day long even though the vast majority are NOT broken.

      Clear enough?

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    • THX-1138
      Posted on August 19, 2012 at 12:57pm

      “What kind of people are attracted to positions of power and authority?”

      Um, politicians?

      I get your point though…

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    • darrelljr
      Posted on August 19, 2012 at 4:40pm

      Ha marine dude, before you start calling people names maybe you should watch this first.
      http://salem-news.com/articles/august192012/marine-fakcebook-arrest-t.php

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    • West Coast Patriot
      Posted on August 19, 2012 at 9:34pm

      Here is a video to watch:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KiOhTYxUjU

      Here is another:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=OEoJQpkUNRc

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    • FreeUsFromOurselves2012
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 1:42pm

      @TINKLEFINDER
      Ok your actions of stabbing those in the back that you call friends is a good reflection of your character…excuse me…lack of character. Then you openly admit that you hang out with people who have a god complex, lack self-control and spew racist hate. However, you haven’t stopped them nor reported them…in fact you continue to hang out with these “friends” that are monster cops. Then it only gets worse from there….
      Where are your ethics, morals and professionalism? Does HIPPA apply to your position? It’s enough of a hurdle to gain client/patient trust in the most private situations add in a high stress, high profile, client such as police officers and that hurdle becomes a climbing wall. Then we have people like yourself that destroy the confidence those of us have worked so hard to put in place. You’re doing all of us a great disservice yourself included.

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  • Captain Crunch
    Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:14pm

    Extremist murdering cops!
    You all justly deserve this reputation because you good cops are too cowardly to stop the bad cops from abusing their power over the public.
    Suck it up! You’ve earned it.

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    • Degan
      Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:28pm

      I call BS. The reenactment shows the cuff up their arms for them to shoot themselves in the head. Cops never leave cuffs that loose on a perp. They lock cuffs so tight around the wrist, it almost cuts off the circulation.

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    • marine249
      Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:33pm

      @DEGAN

      You can call BS all you want.
      Me thinks you may be full of BS.

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    • DSVet
      Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:53pm

      Obviously you didn’t watch the video. One of the witness’, a black woman, says that she heard the gun shot and at the time of the shot, the doors of the police car were closed and the police were OUTSIDE the car. Even with this you form your “non fact based” OPINION and spew your racist hatred. Troll somewhere else. We don’t have time for your ignorance here.

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    • Degan
      Posted on August 19, 2012 at 12:01am

      Marine249, as a former Marine myself, stop acting like a shitbird to others that have a different opinion than yourself. Get your bearings corrected Marine, you being dishonor to the USMC by acting like a 12 year old.

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    • Captain Crunch
      Posted on August 19, 2012 at 12:16am

      @DSVet
      Are you happy in your delusional world? In the real world cops beat retarded men to death for standing harmlessly on the street corner. In the real world cops threaten the lives of law abiding citizens who have legit conceal carry permits .In the real world cops have a license to kill if you fail to stop your car when they hit the lights. So don’t pull that BS racists accusation on me. The Blaze is full of stories of their police abuse. Stop being a fool. Stop believing the lie that we live in the same United States as it was 30 years ago. It’s a police state which is well beyond the infancy stage. They can lock it down and lock you up any time they want for any fabricated reason they choose and there is very little you would be able to do to stop them. How dare you call me a racist! I think your stupid.

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    • marine249
      Posted on August 19, 2012 at 12:30am

      @DEGAN

      I became a Marine in 1956 and Iam a Marine to this day.
      Iam glad that you said that you are a former marine.now I
      don’t have to claim you as one of us. 2nd untill you have
      walked in the foot steps of a Police Officer, you don’t know
      what to hell your talking about. Now that I have my say.
      As I always do when some dip ticks me off, I have to say
      Iam sorry.

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    • docgreen
      Posted on August 19, 2012 at 5:03am

      Yes there were witnesses that have stated the Cops were not in or around the Person who committed suicide! People come on Stop blaming the Police until after the FBI and the State finish their reports! Some of you have No clue, about this. Your stating the cuffs in the reenactments are too high up? If the cuffs are higher up it would make it harder to get the gun to your head! I don’t believe he was even under arrest at the time he shot himself! When you seat someone in the back seat of your car and you don’t have the perp under arrest, dosn’t mean you have to double lock the cuffs or have the cuffs really tight! Wait for the FBI and the State to Finish before you decide the cops are wrong! Some of you sound like the zimmerman case all over again! What reason would anyone of these cops shoot this man for? Was he belligerent? Were they after him? Was it some big drug case? No! So tell me, why would one of these officers with people watching shoot this person? Use your F-Ing brains! Some of you are Brain Dead, and why are Marines acting like they are?

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    • Captain Crunch
      Posted on August 19, 2012 at 5:19pm

      Here is another victim of the law…just posted today. In the real world this happens…
      http://www.theblaze.com/stories/video-captures-michigan-mans-shooting-by-police-not-ready/

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  • docgreen
    Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:05pm

    Eric, I live in Jonesboro and they haven’t released all the Footage yet! I think before and after have been, but when he does it, that footage has not! The FBI and the State is doing it! When they finish all three forces will then release the last part! From what I’ve heard they have video and I witnesses of him doing it himself! The police were working on other things! People in Jonesboro are waiting and people don’t want the Big Media to be like the Zimmerman Case and Lie about what happened! There are people asking for Chief Yates to resign and they haven’t even finished reviewing everything! Like I said the whole video wasn’t released because it supposedly shows the moment it happens! When they showed the Video of some of the Officers reenacting that they could do it with their guns, thats when the minorities started protesting! I applaud the Jonesboro JPD, Force! They have done everything to make sure this gets investigated right! I know numerous officers here and believe in them 99% of the time! I‘m sure if the FBI and State Doesn’t find JPD were involved with the shooting the Major Media will step in! Keep in mind, I stated JPD wasn’t involved with shooting this person! Now, as far as searching this person; there may be some issues that JPD may have to address with this, and why the gun was not found! Therefore they could be liable for what took place. I’m not sure if he was under arrest at that time, or if they were just investigating!

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  • Just_Us2
    Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:05pm

    If cops were not so corrupt, people would not be so skeptical about a story like this. Used to be a force would have a few bad apples but for the most part, good guys. Now you are lucky to find one good cop on the force who is not either corrupt, or is aware of corruption but turning a blind eye for the sake of the union. Clean up police forces and maybe you wont come under such scrutiny. And yes, MOST cops are corrupt because they know about it and fail to act, making them just as guilty.

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    • marine249
      Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:44pm

      1776 perk “ COPS ARE CORRUPT ”
      2012 perk “ COPS ARE CORRUPT”
      2100 perk “ COPS ARE CORRUPT”

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    • supermansdad
      Posted on August 20, 2012 at 5:01pm

      Considering that the police force, just like the military, your kids teacher, your employeers and even your congrigatio, are made up of the people of the comunity. Therefore, you will have corruption, not because all cops are corrupt but because everyone, even you are corrupt.

      Yes, you. As am I, and Ron Paul, Mother Teresa, Ghandi, Martin Luther, Martin Luther King Jr, Peter, Paul, Mark, Simon, Luke, everyone except Jesus.

      So remember that no matter how corrupt they are look at the corruption in your life before you toss that stone, “let he who is without sin throw the first stone.”

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  • taberphoto.com
    Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:01pm

    This story reminds me of the scene when Vincent shots Marvin in Pulp Fiction

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  • BumperMorgan
    Posted on August 18, 2012 at 10:51pm

    The pat down by the officer was not good enough.

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    • marine249
      Posted on August 18, 2012 at 10:59pm

      the gun was most likely in his shorts.
      when you patted him down he has his shorts
      full of doo doo, are you going to put your bare
      hands in there. as you can see they didn’t hook him up.
      he was not under arrest at that time.

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  • watersRpeople
    Posted on August 18, 2012 at 10:25pm

    The thing is that when someone knows they did something wrong the guilt usually eats them up, because most people have a little of the good dust. I remember watching children of parents who respect there parents, and the children do something wrong, but the parent is as if nothing happened, but the child got no food from getting caught or seeing the parent stumble in error – so the guilt ate up the child.

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  • eric55
    Posted on August 18, 2012 at 10:23pm

    Maybe i’m retarded but i watched the video i saw to guys handcuffed and then i saw to very healthy alive adults unhandcuffed walked to thier car and drive away now i would imagine if one of them blew his brains out in the back of the police car we would just see one guy not two Duhhh

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    • marine249
      Posted on August 18, 2012 at 10:41pm

      you missed it. two white guys drovwe away.
      one dead black guy in the car.
      thats the big deal.
      if one white and one black drove away.
      one dead white guy in the car.
      no big deal.

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  • 120pages
    Posted on August 18, 2012 at 10:22pm

    Oh, please…if a police officer wanted the suspect dead, does anyone think he would be stupid enough to shoot the man in the back seat of the police car??

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    • marine249
      Posted on August 18, 2012 at 10:47pm

      kick him in ths a$$. shoot him as he ran
      down the street.

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    • ChevalierdeJohnstone
      Posted on August 18, 2012 at 10:56pm

      Pretty much. I have become extremely critical of police misconduct lately, but in this case the simple answer is that the guy shot himself. Plenty of opportunity and means to do so, and the officers would appear to have absolutely no motive for killing an apparently nonviolent suspect under their control.

      Officers are still responsible for screwing up the search.

      I am wondering why The Blaze likes to post so many stories about potential police misconduct? Sure we all know it happens from time to time. Is The Blaze attempting to cause mistrust of police officers by selective reporting? Why so few articles about cops doing the right thing day after day after day after day?

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    • marine249
      Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:07pm

      @CHEVALIRDEJOHNSTONE

      =======================================================
      officers are still responsiable for screwing the search.
      =======================================================

      They could have did a better job.

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  • Apple Bite
    Posted on August 18, 2012 at 10:17pm

    Meanwhile, we have to brace for , YET, another go around of Al “Old Perm” Sharpton firing up the masses, making a terrible scene, and likely tying it up to the Romney/Ryan ticket in some off the wall manner….

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  • TheMajority
    Posted on August 18, 2012 at 9:54pm

    Is this more public union incompetence? How can a person, hand cuffed in a police car, have a firearm?

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    • Apple Bite
      Posted on August 18, 2012 at 10:05pm

      We’re all wondering the same thing. Guess they’re hoping that the public remains oblivious to the facts presented.

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    • TexanRon
      Posted on August 18, 2012 at 10:14pm

      It happens. A few years ago, here in Houston, cop arrested a guy, frisked, cuffed, and put him in the back of the car. The guy then shot the cop in the back of the head 6 times, So, yes, it happens.

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    • marine249
      Posted on August 18, 2012 at 10:26pm

      When they 1st put him in the car he was not in cuffs. You saw that they patted
      him down before hand. You would be surprised by what people can hide in
      their a$$ crack or up high between their legs. When he was in the car alone, he could
      put the gun between the seat and back rest. When they took him out to hook him up,
      the gun was left in the car, Case solved

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    • BumperMorgan
      Posted on August 18, 2012 at 10:46pm

      Not searched properly.

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    • THX-1138
      Posted on August 18, 2012 at 10:48pm

      Marine249 got it.

      I have a 2006 Crown Vic Police Intrerceptor for my everyday car (bought at aucction, I’m not an officer) and when I got it the back seat was actually unhooked from the floor brackets. I understand it’s common practice to leave them this way as they often check under/behind them for contriband after taking suspects out. It would be very easy to put a gun where you could get to it and I wouldn’t be at all surprised if this is what was done, either to commit suicide or homicide, especially by a career criminal. No cop wants an armed perp behind him, the seats often have a stab plate but that won’t help if the perp can get the weapon high enough to shoot the officer in the head.

      Nothing here adds up but that an officer missed a well hidden gun (and if you have guns you probably know how easy it is to hide a backup very well), the perp stuck it in the seat and decided to whack himself rather than the cop (and spend 100 years in prison).

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  • burned at edges
    Posted on August 18, 2012 at 9:44pm

    At the end of the video it says all handcuffs were applied as per standard procedural instructions. I noticed during the video (so I had to watch again) that all the cops had one of the cuffs slid up to about half way up their forearm. It is standard procedure to cuff securely between the hand and the the wrist bone. If this was done the cuff would not be able to slide up the forearm. One other thing, all the cops were in cuffs with links between the two cuffs, I don’t know of any cops that use these anymore, they all use the hinged cuffs as they restrict movement more.

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    • marine249
      Posted on August 18, 2012 at 10:06pm

      Standard procedural to cuff between the hand and the wrist bone, I can see
      from your post you are not a Police Officer. If I put my cuffs on you this way,
      you would be crying to the judge two weeks later and showing the red marks
      you still have on your wrists. Most cops use hinged cuffs? My cuffs were linked
      and most Officers I know still use them. Hinged cuffs are for bad a$$es. They
      are harder to get on and may harm the perk. Get out of your dream world and
      join the human race.

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    • burned at edges
      Posted on August 18, 2012 at 10:40pm

      Marine, you WERE probably a good cop and there are a lot of good cops out there. But I have one sister in law and 2 nepthews who are cops and they all use the hinged cuffs. Our local police use them also. I know this because I was put in the back of a squad for about 5 to 10 minutes with hinged cuffs applied this way before being let go. Yes it hurt and no I didn’t cry foul.
      Dream world? Let me tell you about the real world. My wife and I comming home from a walk around the block saw 2 cops hiding behind trees with guns drawn because of a neighbor boy blowing off firecrackers. My brother in law was surrounded by 4 squads made to get out of his car and lay on the street (at gun point) because his car was reported as suspicious after he sneakily dropped off dairy queen to my mom and sisters after dark. Around 1974 when I was about 8-10 yrs old a freind and I say 4 cops take a guy out of the station cuffed in hog tie style (3 cuffs). He was yelling “I didn’t do anything”. The cops wrapped duct style tape around his head about 3 times as they told him to shut up and one commented that this would be a good lesson for the boys watching. He was still trying to yell I didn’t do anything but it was an incoherent mumble. One cop then said I told you to shut up as he grabbed his hair and banged his head into the van a few times. When he let go a clump of hair drifted away in the wind.

      I have known many other cops and have many other stories.

      This is the REAL wor

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    • THX-1138
      Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:12pm

      Chain cuffs are by far the most commonly used, period. Hinged cuffs are mostly used by corrections officers on inmates known to be violent. They require more training, are harder to apply and can result in injury to the perp. The chain and hinged cuffs are made for for different uses and hinged cuffs would be a giant pain in the ass for the average cop, often by himself, taking in drunks and other average perps.

      That’s the real world.

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    • burned at edges
      Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:22pm

      I must say I like how you both used the terminology ‘perp’ (short for perpetrator). I would think only a prison guard would or should use the term perp. A cop REALLY should use the term SUSPECT.

      not yelling just emphasizing

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    • marine249
      Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:27pm

      BURNED
      I don’t know were you live and were you grew up. Yes back in the 60 -70
      there were some cops that were not fit to carry a badge. maybe
      a few of them are still around. as to your stories, I was not there so I can
      not speak to them. but to paint these Officers with that broad brush, can
      make you sound like msnbc or cnn.

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    • THX-1138
      Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:28pm

      Suspects don’t have warrants, but I hear you, innocent until proven otherwise…

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    • marine249
      Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:31pm

      @BURNED

      L. A. County Sheriff Office. [ no guard]
      a perk ia a perk

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    • burned at edges
      Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:51pm

      My first post was just to point out things i noticed that may indicate bias by the makers of the video. The latter post(s) I was attempting to communicate that it can be as detrimental to blindly back cops as it is for Barack Hussein Obama to blindly conclude cops act stupidly.

      I believe that this guy probably shot himself, but will not rule anything out and am confident the system will sort it out.

      My best to you both and all our fine men in blue out there.

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    • THX-1138
      Posted on August 19, 2012 at 12:11am

      @burned at edges

      I suspect the released video was in the hands of Lawyers (that’s just how it is in a letigious society).

      That said, if the facts we can establish pointed at a coverup or just didn‘t add up in some way I’d be 100% in favor of getting a full blown investigation by multiple agencies (less chance of collusion) to get any bad cops off the force, at the very least, if not prison time. A bad cop can do more damage than a 100 criminals, he not only victimizes a few people but he destroys something far, far more critical; our trust.

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  • anthonyebaker
    Posted on August 18, 2012 at 9:01pm

    By the way; where were the skittles and ice tea found at?

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  • anthonyebaker
    Posted on August 18, 2012 at 9:01pm

    He would have had to ricochet it off of something so look for a bullet mark somewhere.

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  • NO_MORE_OBAMA
    Posted on August 18, 2012 at 8:51pm

    Ballistics, angle of entry and burn residue should say it all. That being said, how the hell can you shoot your self in the head when your hands are behind your back?

    Interesting to say the least. I am a REALLY good shot and I doubt I can do it, much less some young inexperienced kid.

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    • Diane TX
      Posted on August 18, 2012 at 8:59pm

      I’m sure all that will be investigated, but didn’t you see the instructional video where officers of different heights and weights were able to get a gun to their heads, while wearing handcuffs behind their backs???

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    • grayling646
      Posted on August 18, 2012 at 9:11pm

      Did you watch the last video? It looks pretty easy to me.

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    • chazmo
      Posted on August 18, 2012 at 10:26pm

      I watched the last video and tried the experiment. Don’t ask why I own cuffs.. hehehehe.. honey now let me out of these things.. honey.. sweetie, babe?? dangit….

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    • THX-1138
      Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:19pm

      “much less some young inexperienced kid.”

      Take it from an old geezer, I was a hell of lot more flexable 20 years ago than now and I tried this with my chain cuffs. I can still do it, barely, so a younger guy probably could too.

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    • Lt_Scrounge
      Posted on August 19, 2012 at 7:08pm

      My guess would be that the officers missed a small firearm that the decedent was concealing in his clothing (not hard to do with many smaller handguns) and he accidentally shot himself with it while trying to either dispose of it (concealed carry without a permit is probably illegal in TN) in order to avoid a second weapons related charge. How he shot himself in the head is the question. My best guess would be a small caliber handgun that accidentally discharged and ricocheted off of something inside the car. The other option is if he was arching his back and pushing his head against the head rest trying to get more space behind his back to be able to move his arms. If he was pushing against the head rest and arching his back, an accidental discharge could’ve hit him anywhere from his lower back to the back of his skull. If you want to test the theory, sit down on the floor against a wall, slide forward about a foot and arch your back pressing your head against the wall. Put your hands behind your back holding a ruler. Anywhere that the ruler can touch a bullet could strike.

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  • Armyduderetired
    Posted on August 18, 2012 at 8:50pm

    There is much more here than meets the eye. Stay tuned to this one. Should be simple to prove but I doubt that we are getting the real story from the police. They are soon going to be targets for every law abiding citizen simply because of situations like this. I for one do not trust law enforcement to uphold the law. The truth will set us free and hopefully it will soon in this case. I especially distrust federal government law enforcement. I am glad to have Jesus. Pray that the truth shines out and the facts be told. We need clear consice answers when things like this happen and so do the officers that are sworn to protect us. This kind of think should never happen period.

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    • anthonyebaker
      Posted on August 18, 2012 at 9:04pm

      We use to be a righteous nation. I know the WWII generation was honorable. I would say, “wonder what happened” but I guess I know.

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    • THX-1138
      Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:32pm

      “We use to be a righteous nation”

      Man o man did you just say a mouthful there. Not to get too philosophical but our cops, just like our representatives, are a reflection of *US*. Where do we think these people come from? Mars?

      They are us.

      If they aren’t doing the right thing maybe we ought to look not only at them but right there in the mirror.

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  • Ilivewayupthere
    Posted on August 18, 2012 at 8:48pm

    I’m sure Obama will tell us, “the cops acted stupidly” and “If I had a son, he’d look just like Carter”.

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  • KidCharlemagne
    Posted on August 18, 2012 at 8:46pm

    These days they are ‘lucky’ to get dash-cam footage of such an event:

    Auditor: 100,000 dashcam videos disappear from SPD database
    By TRACY VEDDER, KOMO STAFF
    Published 11:26 p.m., Wednesday, June 20, 2012
    http://www.seattlepi.com/local/komo/article/Auditor-100-000-dashcam-videos-disappear-from-3650839.php

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  • FREEDOMoverFEAR
    Posted on August 18, 2012 at 8:44pm

    I like how in the reenactment of the suicide the cop puts on the handcuffs really loose. When a cop really handcuffs you they tighten them down so you can’t move as much. I’m not saying the cops killed the guy but the reenactment video has no credence what so ever.

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    • marine249
      Posted on August 18, 2012 at 9:44pm

      FOR YOUR INFO

      When the Police put cuffs on you, they tighten them down
      so you can not slip them. They do not put them on so tight
      that it cut off your blood. Or leave red marks on you. Wise
      up and talk to a real Police Officer.

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  • FREEDOMoverFEAR
    Posted on August 18, 2012 at 8:42pm

    Good thing the cop stopped those innocent kids from ruining their lives, if they smoked that devil plant marijuana they would have used coke next then started raping nuns a week after that.

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    • bdandsl
      Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:10pm

      They let those two go and kept the one with a warrent. How is that ruining their lives?

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  • chazmo
    Posted on August 18, 2012 at 8:42pm

    Man those cops are small.. I‘m 6’0 210

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    • Too_Far_Gone
      Posted on August 18, 2012 at 8:51pm

      We are all impressed thank you ..

      O brother ..

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    • marine249
      Posted on August 18, 2012 at 9:33pm

      L am 6-1 205lbs

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    • chazmo
      Posted on August 18, 2012 at 9:51pm

      @Too Far jackwad… go away child..

      @Marine249 Well at least 20 pounds of my weight is in my gut and butt. :) speaking of Marines… my son just joined the Marine Reserves.. I’m proud of him but, he wants to go on a tour.. ugh.. not happy about that.. Someone told me they won’t send him to Afgannie or Iraq.. true? Whatcha think?

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    • marine249
      Posted on August 18, 2012 at 10:10pm

      CHAZNO be proud of him. He is now one of the best of the best.

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    • chazmo
      Posted on August 18, 2012 at 10:22pm

      i’m EXTREMELY proud of him… Just worried about him.. His is my youngest, at 20 yrs old.. :)
      He is very smart with excellent common sense.. And a conservative.. YES!!!

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    • THX-1138
      Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:41pm

      I just hope we can get him a better boss in November. I could never work for the current… “resident” (remember THAT one?)

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  • progressiveslayer
    Posted on August 18, 2012 at 8:37pm

    Sharpton and crew will be there to start the riots that’s fore sure,don’t wait for the investigation just convict the cops. Forensics will tell the tale although the actual shooting wasn’t recorded so some explaining is needed here.

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  • bdandsl
    Posted on August 18, 2012 at 8:33pm

    Hmmmmmm….

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  • Apple Bite
    Posted on August 18, 2012 at 8:25pm

    Simple enough, every gun has it’s own markings. Forensics will do the rest…

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    • Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
      Posted on August 18, 2012 at 8:34pm

      And when the truth is determined of who is involved, may justice be swiftly delivered upon them in the courts of law.

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    • THX-1138
      Posted on August 18, 2012 at 11:24pm

      The courts can no longer harm the person responsible for this; he killed himself.

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    • Apple Bite
      Posted on August 19, 2012 at 3:29am

      I’ll wait for the results of what they find to know better….

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    • THX-1138
      Posted on August 19, 2012 at 12:55pm

      I think the appropriate bet here would be “dollars to doughnuts”…

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    • Wango
      Posted on August 19, 2012 at 1:35pm

      If only they hadn’t searched the kid . . . twice . . . these cops could have gotten away with it. Forensics? What, cops don’t carry plant guns? How many times have you seen THAT in the movies? White cops kill chained black man. Seems to me the burden of proof is on the cops. So far, the best they can do is hire some contortionists from Cirque du Soleil to “re-enact” their lie. Good luck, folks. BTW, Zimmerman is begging for more money. Might want to check in with him and the wife. I mean, your support and principled actions know no bounds, right? Don’t want to leave him swinging in the breeze.

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