Did Jesus Christ Really Exist?
- Posted on April 9, 2012 at 5:45pm by
Billy Hallowell
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Did Jesus Christ really exist? This question, which will sound odd — even offensive — to any Christian who believes wholeheartedly in his or her faith, is at the center of a CNN Belief Blog discussion. The article provides a well-rounded overview of the subject, with quotations and evidence to back up both sides of the debate.
With millions of Christians celebrating Christ’s literal death and resurrection this past weekend, the notion that the Biblical story of love, forgiveness and redemption might be mere allegory would be difficult for a great many to swallow. Plus, the vast majority of American adults — 77 percent — believe that Christ rose from the dead (which means, by default, that they embrace his existence).
On one side are those who believe that Jesus was an imaginary figure and that he never lived. These naysayers embrace the notion that the Christian savior was modeled after pagan gods and that his story of death and resurrection was borrowed — or even stolen — from past mythology. Timothy Freke, author of “The Jesus Mysteries: Was the ‘Original Jesus’ a Pagan God?,” embraces this notion.
“If I said to you that there was no real Good Samaritan, I don’t think anyone would be outraged,” he explains. “It’s a teaching story. What we’re saying is that the Jesus story is an allegory. It’s a parable of the spiritual journey.”
Bart D. Ehran, a New Testament scholar, takes a radically different approach. Aside from embracing the historical existence of Jesus, he calls people like Freke un-scholarly conspiracy theorists who are merely bent in selling books.

“There are people out there who don’t think the Holocaust happened, there wasn’t a lone JFK assassin and Obama wasn’t born in the U.S.,” he said. “Among them are people who don’t think Jesus existed.”
So we’ve established those who believe in Jesus and those who do not. But then there’s yet another subgroup group to consider — people who believe Jesus existed, but who challenge Christianity and don’t necessarily see him as a deity. CNN reports more about these individuals:
The debate over Jesus’ existence has led to a curious role reversal. Two of the New Testament scholars who are leading the way arguing for Jesus’ existence have a reputation for attacking, not defending, traditional Christianity.
Ehrman, for example, is an agnostic who has written books that argue that virtually half of the New Testament is forged. Another defender of Jesus’ existence is John Dominic Crossan, a New Testament scholar who has been called a heretic because his books challenge some traditional Christian teachings.
But as to the existence of Jesus, Crossan says, he’s “certain.”

Then, CNN goes on to summarize the arguments for and against Jesus existence. From the allegations of pagan stories being adopted to Christians to the notion that there aren’t many sources outside of the Bible that record his existence, naysayers forge on. On the pro-Jesus front, scholars point to historical documents and archaeological discoveries as corroboratory evidence for the reality of the Christ.
The debate is certainly multifaceted and it is likely to ratchet up, as those opposed to Jesus’ existence have the ability to spread their message more readily through new and social media, self-publishing opportunities and the like. Read the full arguments on both sides of the aisle here.
What do you think — did Jesus Christ exist? Take our poll:
(H/T: CNN Belief Blog)





















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RRRRRRR
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 6:35pmIf Jesus needed miracles to prove to people that he is God, and if it did not hurt their “free wills” to see these miracles, and if all these miracles were written down and attested to by Matthew, Mark, Luke and John so that we could all experience them vicariously today, then why is it wrong for us to see a real miracle and have actual proof today? Why didn‘t any of Jesus’ miracles have a physical permanence that would transcend time and prove his story to everyone? Because Jesus was a normal human being just like you and me.
Report Post »TH30PH1LUS
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 6:57pm“There are two ways to live: you can live as if nothing is a miracle; you can live as if everything is a miracle.” ~ Albert Einstein
If you study the mathematical odds of this universe even existing, add to that the odds of this particular planet, and complex life… I think you will find that the miracles surround you.
Also, it is not “wrong” to pray for miracles. Who told you it was wrong?
Considering the intense and brutal persecution of those who claimed that Jesus was the resurrected Son of Almighty God… you might say that the existense of Christianity is in itself a miracle.
Report Post »RebelYell1862
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 7:05pm@RRRRRRR Who makes you the authority that we as Christians should listen to? I have the living word of God that I can read and can trust as the truth. You are no one and as someone who denies Christ, you will never be anyone. Where your soul spends eternity is entirely in your hands, and from the lies you spill I know where it will end up.
Report Post »Reason365
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 7:07pmConcrete proof. You sir truly have no idea what FAITH is:)
Report Post »sawbuck
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 7:15pmRR
Who are you trying to convince..?
Jesus preformed many miracles to show his divinity .
And there was many that witnessed them.
John 20:29 (KJV)
Report Post »Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
FreedomPurveyor
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 7:25pm“Why didn‘t any of Jesus’ miracles have a physical permanence that would transcend time and prove his story to everyone?”
Jesus didn’t perform miracles to prove his divinity. That is like saying that a surgeon performs operations to prove he is a doctor.
Report Post »@leftfighter
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 7:26pmEven Jesus‘ enemies couldn’t deny He existed and was the Messiah. Hello, Josephus.
It’s funny that the “Did Jesus really exist?“ question never surfaced until the ”Enlightenment,” hundreds of years after He lived, died, and rose to Heaven. Nobody questioned it happened at the time, and Jeosephus’ mentions of Him prove it.
Something turned those 11 men hiding in fear after Jesus’ crucifixion into champions of Faith who died martyrs deaths, and my guess is that it wasn’t a lie. How do I know? When faced with “change your story or die,” a liar would change his story. Men will die for the truth. Men will not die for a lie.
Same for Jesus Himself. All He had to do was to say “You know what? I was just kidding. Nevermind! I’m not really the Son of God.” Instead, he said “I AM” when asked the question.
Interesting words, “I AM.” Those same exact words were the ones spoken to Moses at the Burning Bush when he told God that the people would ask who sent him. It’s no coincidence that was Jesus answer. He was simply giving His name.
Report Post »davuf
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 7:29pmDefine ‘concrete proof.’ Jesus did heal the blind, sick and lame. He did raise people from the dead and make 5 fish/ loaves of bread feed 5 thousand people. These were very concrete proofs of his time period.
Consider this from a marketing perspective. How many people do you think it would take to get hundreds if not thousands of people to repeat the same message across three continents. What kind of value would the customers demand to do so? Why would they be willing to give up their belongs? even cults have trouble spreading beyond the influence of an influential leader. Would they really do it to spread a lie? What display would be required to convince them to continue spreading the message despite persecution?
The arguements I have heard against Christ’s exsistence are delusional.
Report Post »@leftfighter
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 7:32pmIn answer to RRRRRRR…
The reason why there are no “miracles” today is that when a miracle happens every minute of everyday, it’s not a miracle. It’s mundane. By definition, one doesn’t see a miracle every day.
I‘ve been in several situation where there’s no way I should have made it out unscathed, nay even alive; yet, here I am, 10 fingers, 10 toes, without any permanent, lasting damage.
Great example is my cousin @10StoryFallguy on twitter. The man fell 10 stories off the top of a building he was working on and lived. Miracles don’t happen? Go ask him if miracles happen.
Report Post »Thomas
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 8:11pmPhysical proof? No matter what supposed proof that physical and flesh seeks it will always cause a “little faith” as Jesus called it. The flesh received the manna in the wilderness and yet soon that miracle became a every day norm and soon they forgot. Faith is not something self produced is the secret but is a gift. A evil generation seeks a sign or a magic trick to make them believe.
Report Post »Itsjusttim
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 8:16pmThe water is believing that the word is true. If I say don‘t go near the stairs or you’ll fall down, that is the water, and if you fall down, that is the blood. Then you would grow up to tell your children they will surely fall down the stairs, and you would have been a parent who learned it by water and blood and that the word is good.
Report Post »Joker50
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 8:17pmThe “recorded” miracles were not written down until some 40 years after Christ’s death. Tell me exactly how much you remember after 40 years or more? just sayin.
Report Post »InWithForGod
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 8:19pm@RRRRR
Report Post »It is not wrong for you to witness or ask for a miracle even today. I believe in God (as if you couldn’t guess; “INWITHFORGOD”). When my daughter was younger, she was suffering a bout of the hiccups for quite some time; about 2 days straight. She came to me as I was sitting watching TV and said they were hurting and then curled up on my lap to watch with me. For a while she sat there on my lap and every few seconds I could feel her jerk with a hiccup. It made me remember a time from my youth when I suffered the same thing for about three days. Each successive hiccup was a new experience in pain on that third day. It was as if I could feel her pain with each new jerk. As she sat there, silently, I said a silent prayer to God, asking him to heal her and to bring her comfort again. As I was praying, I waited for the next jerk. I waited and waited…and waited. No more jerks. She sat on my lap for a good 20 minutes after my prayer. No more hiccups. Eventually she left and went to play. This is a true story. Will you believe? I have done this same thing numerous times in my life and my prayers have been answered. You don‘t see miracles because you don’t believe. Matt 13:58
“Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.” Heb 11:1 “But without faith it is impossible to please him for he that comes to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.” Heb 11:6 Believe, and you will see.
HUGGASHMUGGA
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 8:25pmBut he [Jesus] responded, “Do you see all these buildings [refering to the temple buildings]? I tell you the truth, they will be completely demolished. Not one stone will be left on top of another!” Mat. 24:1-2
Report Post »The temple was destroyed. Jews do not have a temple today. It’s a historical fact.
Jesus ended the Jewish sacrificial system when He offered Himself as the FINAL sacrifical Lamb. There will NEVER be another sacrifice offered to God because Jesus was the final sacrifice for sin.
Jews have NOT sacrificed for the last 2000 years. It’s a historical fact. As for miracles, the same people who marveled at His miracles, as eye witnesses, rejected His deity and screamed CRUSIFY HIM. His desciples have seen all the miracles and still denied Him at the time of His arrest by the Romans. Seeing is NOT beleiving. Faith is beleiving.
ImMadAsHell
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 8:27pmMoron
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 8:32pm@Itsjusttim
Report Post »How have you been doing 85?
The-Monk
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 8:51pmDo any of us really exist? Or are all of you figments of my vivid imagination?
Rene Descartes: “I think therefore I am”
Report Post »Socrates: “To be is to do”
Shakespeare: “To be or not to be”
Sinatra: “Do be, do be, do”
: )
Captain Crunch
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 9:09pmThe only proof I need is the fact that He answered me when I called.
Report Post »blackyb
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 9:36pmWithout the faith, eventually people will forget the great feeling of the miracle they witnessed. There are many miracles but people do not know they are miracles. I remember something I read about people looking into a looking glass and as soon as they quit looking at themselves they forgot what kind of person they saw. It is sort of to me, like not really remembering what you look like. So something see may may an impression for awhile, but faith comes by hearing and hearing comes by a preacher preaching the true Word of God. (King James authorized ver. 1611) paraphrased.
Report Post »mils
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 9:37pmI believe in God.
Report Post »You cannot force people to believe as you do. AND, just because you believe something..does not make it true, and the other person wrong.
Say what you need to say if the time comes, and live to fight another day.
macpappy
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 10:10pmWell sure, why didn’t the 10 Commandments get handed down on DVD?
Report Post »One message on the jumbotron every once in awhile ain’t too much to ask, is it.
The-Monk
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 10:47pm@Captain Crunch
Report Post »There you go! Best post yet! If I had a hat, if would be off to Captain Crunch for his post.
jzs
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 11:14pmSure he existed. There’s a photograph of him at the top of this thread. Or maybe it’s a portrait, they didn’t have cameras in those days. Anyway, some contemporary person painted Jesus. Otherwise how would we know what he looked like? We all know what he looked like right?
Report Post »lillith70
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 11:37pmWrong, just because you can’t see it, hear it feel it proves nothing except you can’t se it hear it feeli it. Others may, others can, others do
Report Post »Onowicit
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 11:48pm@Itsjusttim
Your a poet….sometimes.
Report Post »KMM
Posted on April 10, 2012 at 12:34am@RRRRRRR
Why are there not miracles today? To answer that requires knowing why they were used in the first place. One reason was to prove Jesus’ divinity (John 20:31). Another was to show His power over death (John 11:40-44). Another was to show His power to forgive sins (Matt. 9:1-8). And there were others to show power over nature (calming of the Sea of Galilee — North of the Dead Sea; walking on water; etc).
Now with all these reasons, why did they cease? 1 Cor. 13:10ff show that. They had a definite time period in which to serve a purpose. There was no completed Bible at the time. All they had available was what we call the Old Testament. So, the miracles served as a scaffolding until the book was completed (about A.D. 90). Once complete, we have a written record in the Bible, along with external evidences (archaeological, historical [e.g., Josephus], etc.)
Report Post »SacKings2312
Posted on April 10, 2012 at 12:43amI was one of the apostles that saw Jesus’ resurrection… Faith in me anyone???
ckokkola
Posted on April 10, 2012 at 1:27amJoker the first writings of the New Testament were not 40 years later. The Gospel of Mark was written between 44 AD and early 50s AD that is between 10 and 15 years not 40. Plus at the time Israel was a nation that passed down information in oral traditions. Studies have been done on oral traditions and found that they are rather accurate over time because the care needed by the teacher to make sure it was learned verbatim before a student could teach it.
The Gospel of Mark is the oldest of the Gospel but Paul’s letters to the Galatians were written between 47-49 AD thus making it about 14-16 years after the death of Christ. Now the book of James is dated as early as the late 30s AD which would make it possibly the earliest letter about Jesus which could be only 4 to 6+ years after Jesus so your 40 years isn’t quite accurate.
Report Post »Drives Like Jehu
Posted on April 10, 2012 at 1:29amTwo thousand years ago, Jesus Christ wonderously restored eyesight to a man BORN BLIND and brought back to life a man who had been dead FOUR DAYS. Our current, vaunted science could not even hope to duplicate such actions today. When Jesus Christ was hanging on the cross, darkness (comparable to the darkness that suffocated and paralyzed Egypt for three days in Exodus) filled the land for three hours. When it was finished, a ROMAN CENTURION said “Truly this was the Son of God”. Jesus Christ finished the work He set out to do and there is no need for “miracles” anymore.
As for free will, humans do have it but whenever they exercise it they chose the devil‘s way not God’s way. God looked through all time and declared that no one, not one, is righteous. (Psalm 14:1-3 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God. They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.)
As for your wish that you could “see” Jesus Christ, just wait for the Millennium when He will personally reign on earth for 1000 years (all you have to do is get through the Tribulation).
Report Post »PAPPY72
Posted on April 10, 2012 at 2:21amThere is a miracle of Jesus that is with us to this day. It is the 1.8 billion Christians in the world who believe because of the faith of Jesus and his followers. Many of the apostles and disciples where persecuted with torture and death and refused to renounce their belief that Jesus was the savior. Eventually this peaceful persistence in faith led to Christianity becoming a dominant world religion. Many have been martyred over the past 2,000 years for their faith. The persistence and growth of the Christian Community, against persecution and revilement, is the on-going miracle of Jesus Christ.
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on April 10, 2012 at 2:38amThe Messianic Prophecy of Isaiah… and the incomplete Sacrifice of Isaac… are resolved in Christ (Joshua ben Joseph)…. just a Joshua’s emtry into the Promised Land… is fulfilled in Joshua’s lead into the Kingdom Of God On Earth.
There is simply too much to simply create… too much logic… too much known history of the times and places… for someone with knowledge to reject. On the other hand, the ignorant are positioned to reject anything & everything!
Report Post »Moroni2012
Posted on April 10, 2012 at 2:50am@INWITHFORGOD, that‘s some god you’ve got there. He‘ll cure your kid’s annoying hiccups with a brief prayer, but lets thousands of African children die despite much of the world’s prayers on their behalf. He is a very immoral god with terrible, evil values. And those values are reflected through you.
Report Post »Ultra-ChronicMonstah
Posted on April 10, 2012 at 3:43amMan, these guys are really not making a good argument for Christianity.
To paraphrase my main man, if you believe in Christianity, you have to believe a story. In this story, ‘God’ sits on his ass for hundreds of thousands of years and watches his creations suffer with complete indifference. He watches death, and hate, and illness with apathy. Then, one day, he thinks “nah, enough”, so he sends his son down. Now, he could send his son down to China, where they’ve developed writing and civilisation, but no, he sends his son down to a place that, at this point, is basically just a desert. His son then kicks around the surrounding area for about 30 years, then God thinks “ok, that should be enough time”, so he kills his son through one of the most painful methods possible. Christian logic.
And don’t give me “JESUS DIED FOR YOUR SINS” or “GOD WORKS IN MYSTERIOUS WAYS”. That story isn’t mysterious, it’s illogical.
If we look at evidence, and the Bible does not count as evidence, Jesus probably did exist. However, he was probably simply one of thousands of so-called ‘miracle workers’ of the say. Calling him the son of God is kind of like calling Houdini the son of God.
While I don’t buy it, there’s no way I can say that there is no God. However, the thought that Christianity got it right? That’s so insane it borders on surreal.
Report Post »johnjamison
Posted on April 10, 2012 at 7:27amEven historical records show Jesus did exist. Roman records and Jewish records both show that Christ did exist. Inspite of the fact that romans were pagans,and Jews were Jewish and neither believe him to be the son of god.
Report Post »Greyowl
Posted on April 10, 2012 at 7:30amThat you exist is a miracle.
Report Post »johnjamison
Posted on April 10, 2012 at 7:35amrrr wrote,Why didn‘t any of Jesus’ miracles have a physical permanence that would transcend time and prove his story to everyone?
What would be the point of faith if Jesus left a permanant the son of God was here sign etched in stone or what ever. People would be born knowing without a doubt that God exist and thus would walk the line. But faith requires that you decide for yourself if you will or won’t except God.
Report Post »FREE WILL A way to weed out the posers
endgamer
Posted on April 10, 2012 at 7:35amOther than the Bible, there is no evidence of the existence of anyone like Jesus or even similar to him anywhere near the period he was supposed to be alive. Watch this movie and you will see why. http://youtu.be/guXirzknYYE
Report Post »doverturf
Posted on April 10, 2012 at 8:28amOf course Jesus existed. Check out the writings of Josephus. Oh, and He is our Messiah.
Report Post »meltzen
Posted on April 10, 2012 at 8:50amMiracles don’t happen today is like saying water is not wet. Miracles happen everyday in Africa, when people have to use their faith to survive. Have to trust in God to provide for their healing and needs God shows up. God has blessed America with hospitals, food at every corner, water by the gallon, we tend to take these blessings for granted. These countries who do not have the luxuries as we do have faith that their God (God of Abraham, issac and Jacob) will provide for their needs and miracles do happen today. I have seen them in my own life and families life.
Report Post »@leftfighter
Posted on April 10, 2012 at 8:54am@Joker50 wrote:
Tell me exactly how much you remember after 40 years or more?
Let’s flip the question: If you saw a man, any man, feed thousands of people with a couple of fish and some loaves of bread, would you remember it for the rest of your life? If you saw a man walk up to someone and instantly heal him from blindness by merely touching his eyes, would you remember it for the rest of your life? If a man raised someone from the dead by telling him to come out of his tomb, would you remember it for the rest of your life?
Indeed. We forget minor details of the mundane aspects of life every day, but these aren’t exactly minor details, are they?
Report Post »Annuit Coeptis
Posted on April 10, 2012 at 9:06am@JZS… I don’t know what you look like… Does that mean you don’t exist?
Report Post »@leftfighter
Posted on April 10, 2012 at 9:10am@ckokkola
Don‘t forget there’s one spot in there (I don‘t remember which verse exactly but I think it’s in Hebrews) where Paul challenges nonbelievers to ask the people that witnessed the events. Not exactly something that a liar would do.
I wish I could remember the verse!
Report Post »jamgdurrett
Posted on April 10, 2012 at 9:11amWhy do I think that some left wing site got a hold of this poll?
Report Post »iampraying4u
Posted on April 10, 2012 at 9:14amAll you have to do is ask what the date is
Report Post »Favored93
Posted on April 10, 2012 at 9:59amFirst of all God (this includes Jesus) is the same yesterday today and forever … He NEVER changes!
Report Post »I have seen with my own eyes the miraculous healing power of God. He still does confirm His word with signs and wanders. Who ever told you differently did not do you any favors.
The fact that Jesus existed as a man is a historical fact. We have more external (extra biblical) evidence that Jesus was indeed a living historical person then we do that you or I exist. So the question of his existence historically is a silly question that is only meant to cast doubt on faith.
Now all other questions are by definition a matter of faith. We Christians do not however have a “blind faith”. We have good solid evidence that backs up our faith. I will give you a couple of things here to think about.
First all of those who walked and talked with Jesus (his disciples) were put to death for their faith. These men watched him die and cried at his funeral. Then they say that they have seen him alive ate with him and were given their marching orders and the Christian faith is born. A popular argument against the resurrection is that these same men (who were not fighters they were fishermen) stole his body (witch was under Roman guard) and then lied to the masses about his resurrection. If this were true then these were 12 suicidal men. They were fed to lions,boiled in oil and Peter was crucified but said that he was not worthy to be crucified like his Lord and asked to be hung upside dow
rwandrw
Posted on April 10, 2012 at 10:08amSorry you can’t stay with that answer, Jesus claimed to be God many times. SO, he was ether a complete nut job who taught amazing thing things OR He is who he said He was God. You are not left with the option of a “Great teacher or a just a regular guy (Summed up from C.S. Lewis mere christianity)
Report Post »lillith70
Posted on April 10, 2012 at 10:12amMiracles exist today but they are not for the conversion of the unbelievers as sthey weren’t back then, but a gift to the true believers.
You do not make the rules for God or his son to follow–the hoops he has to jump through for your devotion, so to speak.
Read James, a servant of God to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad-that’s us! James chapter 4, “From whence comes wars and fightings amongst you? Come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members?” (Then it swings into the powtic)
Ye lust, and have not; ye kill and desire to have, and cannot obtain; ye fight and war, yet have not, because ye ask not.
Ye ask and receive not, because ye ask amiss that ye may consume it on your lusts”
Read the rest yourselves- but heed James 4:6, God resisteth the proud but giveth grace to the humble”
IMO if Jesus lives in the heart of one person (and he lives in the hearts of many of the humble) HE INDEE LIVES!
Report Post »Geologist
Posted on April 10, 2012 at 10:18am“A wicked and adulterous generation looks for a miraculous sign, but none will be given it except the sign of Jonah.” Matthew 16:4. Also Th3oph1lus is correct, the fact that the bible is available to us today is in itself a miracle of God. Once you embrace the miracle of faith that God has provided for you, your eyes will be opened to the abundance of miracles that surround you at all times. Christ is Risen, Christ is Risen Indeed!
Report Post »old white guy
Posted on April 10, 2012 at 10:21amJesus miracles were done for the people of his time to show that He did have power. you want proof or a miracle that will convince you that Jesus was and is real, how about 2000 years later we still have over a billion people who believe.
Report Post »Favored93
Posted on April 10, 2012 at 10:29am…continued
Report Post »If these men lied about the resurrection they were simply mad men. Jesus was seen by more then 70 men (not counting women) after his death burial and resurrection.
Another popular argument is that Christ Jesus was a Rabi and so knew how to make it look like he was their savior. This argument falls flat on it’s face in light of the following….
There were over 300 prophecies in the Old Testament telling us what the Christ would look like. The last of witch was given 400 years before his birth, the majority of those were about his birth and death!!! HE FULFILLED THEM ALL!!!
Could you have chosen the time and place of your birth? Could you choose your parents? Could you have chosen the political climate you were born into or the nation you were born into? Other then suicide could you choose the manner in witch you die? Jesus did not betray himself to the Jews and then hand himself over to the Romans!
The odds of a man fulfilling just 8 of the 300 from the beginning of time till now is 1 in 100,000,000,000,000,000!!!! (ten to the seventeenth) This is almost a statistical impossibility!
and what I have written here is only a small sample of the historical evidence that we loony Christians have for our faith.
Jesus is who He says He is and deserves our loyalty, love and worship.
ckokkola
Posted on April 10, 2012 at 10:32am@@LEFTFIGHTER The verse you are thinking of comes from the 1st letter to the Corinthians in:
1Corinthians 15:1 ¶ Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
Report Post »2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.
7 After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.
8 And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.
9 For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.
10 But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.
11 Therefore whether it were I or they, so we preach, and so ye believed.
PIGSWILLNEVERFLY
Posted on April 10, 2012 at 11:11amLight rejected is darkness deepened!
St. Paul, “I’m in Travail until Christ before me in You”
We are living in the “Age of Grace” the time is short….”many are called, but few are chosen”
Understanding and Wisdom are in short supply. Bible study and correct interpretation are vital to understanding. I recommend Through the Bible with Les Feldick to increase faith. The Holy Spirit works with that which is invisible (the ego, the little wills of man, emotions, the soul, the imperfect senses) so do evil spirits of Lucifer. Good vs Evil is so obvious. The choice is so clear. I can‘t believe how people can’t believe.
Report Post »brohm0103
Posted on April 10, 2012 at 11:21amHere’s the issue I have with your statements RRRRRRR, you are asking a ridiculous question. Why aren’t all humans green with yellow eyes? Jesus performed miracles that were seen by those who were there. But from what I gather you’d prefer it if he had say built an enormous temple to himself in about an hour? But then the claim by all of us here today would be that, well the scriptures made up the time line that thing was really built over years by many many people. The other thing not to forget here is, based on historical data it is pretty difficult to day Jesus did not exist. You can argue he wasn’t the son of God or God incarnate, but he appears in several historical works, separate from the Gospels. If we deny the existance of Jesus then we too much deny the existance of Alexander the Great or Ghengis Kahn. I mean afterall, they worked no miracles and the only proof we have that they lived is what we have been provided by historians of the time, just like Jesus.
Report Post »theAMAZINGjackal
Posted on April 10, 2012 at 11:36amI totally understand what you are saying, and I used to believe just like you. Until I found the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. He has given the priesthood to any worthy male member of his church. We have the privalige of using his powers of healing, teaching, and prophecy, almong other blessings, to bless his flock. You can find out more at http://www.mormon.org.
Report Post »Silversmith
Posted on April 10, 2012 at 11:49am@RRRRR That is some pretty weak critical thinking. Your conclusion is unfounded.
Silversmith
Report Post »G.W. Dobbs
Posted on April 10, 2012 at 12:48pmThe Shroud of Turin is the burial cloth of Jesus. Do a study on it and you will see. The Apostle Paul
Report Post »was given revelation knowledge of the “mystery” of Christ IN us (Col.1:27) and the Gospel for the Church Age teaching of God’s Grace in including Gentiles in His Plan of Salvation. If ANY man will ask God in sincerity to reval Himself personally to that man so that he can Know “I AM”, He will. Try it and see for yourself. Finally, you are correct in saying Jesus was (on Earth) a man like we are; that
was His Purpose: to FULFILL THE PROPHECIES and give Himself to conqer Sin and Death in payment for those who will ACCEPT this gift. The Unforgiveable Sin is to REFUSE to accept Him.
HE LIVES IN ME and in all who are “Born Again” in the Spirit of Christ Jesus. Thank you, LORD, for
Your Plan and for accepting me into your Family giving me Eternal Life IN YOU and THROUGH YOU.
eric6161
Posted on April 10, 2012 at 12:55pmRRR… you want to see a real miracle? Look around you… life is a miracle and a gift from God. He made it easy to see Him and to make it easier He gave us His Son – Jesus the Christ.
Report Post »It’s sad that with God showing his love and power all around us there are so many out there who would deny Him in favor of the fallen angel. Imagine the Jews and Christians living in the middle east a thousand years ago and who, when faced with the choice of having their arms and legs cut from their bodies if they didn’t fall down and worship the evil Mohammed… but then again the popes were just about as evil. I guess that’s what you get when you deal with people… evil… all except Jesus Christ, the Son of God, perfect in every way and the Jewish messiah.
klr56
Posted on April 10, 2012 at 1:38pmThere are more records than just the New Testament. In 1820, a young man prayered aloud for the first time in his life and he was witness to the resurrected Lord and God the Father. He was witness to angels and other heavenly messengers during his 38 year life and he was killed for telling his story. Truth exists. Jesus Christ is the Son of God, resurrected from death, the first-fruits of them who slept. Because of Him, we will all live again in the flesh and stand before God to be judged of our “doings” in this life. I know this is true.
Report Post »lvl12
Posted on April 10, 2012 at 1:43pm@TH30PH1LUS
The “odds” argument is actually not a good one to use my friend. You see if god can do anything, then he could have made the universe in an infinite number of ways. Or not made it at all. Now, scientists don’t claim to know how the universe was created, but if it did happen by random chance, it could have happened an infinite number of ways. You see? the odds are the same.
Report Post »TH30PH1LUS
Posted on April 10, 2012 at 3:15pm@ lvl12, you wrote: “You see if god can do anything, then he could have made the universe in an infinite number of ways. Or not made it at all. … it could have happened an infinite number of ways. You see? the odds are the same.”
According to Scripture, God (although Omnipotent) makes choices about HOW He does things based on His character. Absurdity is not a part of God’s character – and the universe is not absurd. It is functional and rational. OUR UNIVERSE cannot exist in an infinite number of ways. The nature of our universe is governed by a VERY SPECIFIC set of numbers and ratios: the Universal Gravitational Constant, the Speed of Light, the Ideal Gas Constant, Absolute Zero, the Relative Strength of Electricity and Gravity, Boltzmann’s Constant, Planck’s Constant, the Schwarzschild Radius, the Efficiency of Hydrogen Fusion,the Chandrasekhar Limit, the Hubble Constant, Omega. Change just one of them even a little and the entire universe unwinds in a nasty mess.
A universe that actually works requires these things – so, the odds are not the same.
“For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities–his eternal power and divine nature–have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.” Romans 1:20
Report Post »Galt1957
Posted on April 10, 2012 at 4:02pmWhy, then, did most of the apostles, and so many followers thereafter, give their lives for the Faith? Who lays down his life for a lie? Which, of course, can only mean that He is the Truth. I’ll pray for you.
Report Post »BonnieC3
Posted on April 10, 2012 at 4:49pmJesus answered your question. He said even if people see someone raised from the dead, they still wont believe. He did miracles for many reasons; for God’s Glory, because of people’s faith, compassion… He didn’t do them to give evidence of His being God. As he explained to Thomas, “Blessed are those who have not seen and believe”.
Report Post »Miracles are happening today. I have seen several. I believe as it is not His time, people’s sight or understanding of these miracles is being blocked. I saw a young lady blind from birth receive her sight. She had doctor’s written proof that her optic nerve “regenerated” which the doctor said was impossible. She went to several churches to give her testimony and either people didn’t believe her or they were like I said, blocked somehow from understanding it. My nephew knew her from before her healing as the “blind girl” he worked with at a local work place for the disabled.
I believe very soon it will be His time and the entire world’s eyes will be opened. For now, as others have said, it is a time for faith.
BuzzardSays
Posted on April 10, 2012 at 5:50pmTo Joker50,
Report Post »You are wrong of course but that is not a new trait for you, is it? Being right is not a matter of opinion it is a matter of truth and you have no truth because you do not know God and therefore you will not ever have any distinguising understanding between shinola and what you are dishing up.
forfeitvalidity
Posted on April 10, 2012 at 6:48pmThere’s a lot of anger towards what to me appears to be a very civil line of questioning. If one is to ponder over Jesus’ divinity, one must do so objectively. Any “proof” that is in the bible, cannot for the sake of objectivity, be seen as proof. You shouldn’t get angry at that notion,for in no way does it further your cause. @TH30PH1LUS- I have indeed not studied the mathematics of our universe, but I feel that I at least have a basic understanding of the vastness of this universe. A lot of creationists go on about how minute the chances are for our planet to not only be here, but to sustain life.
Report Post »I have reservations about your observations of the mathematics of the universe. Only because of how huge this galaxy is, let alone the universe. There are hundreds and hundreds of trillions of planets in this universe with a wide range of features, atmospheres, temperature, etc. We could even narrow down the number of planets by only taking in account ones that reside in the goldy lox regions of their galaxies and solar systems. Still Trillions. Trillions of planets that have been around for billions of years. Chance is no longer such a relevant factor when the numbers are this astronomically high.
If you are looking into the mathematics of the universe then I would assume that you believe in the big bang. I would also hope that you are aware of how planets are formed. If you are aware of the facts, please tell me where does the snapping of god’s fingers tocreatem
bobbiejean
Posted on April 10, 2012 at 7:31pm@RRRRRRR I notice the poll looks as skewed as the one yesterday on an atheist as Prez. Hmm—
a lot of liberals/unbelievers coming to vote—or voting multiple times?
Report Post »Bro. Chuck
Posted on April 10, 2012 at 8:07pmI think this pole is short-circuited too….
do the results seem odd to anyone else?
20%,
21%
55% no way?
really?????
Beck, you better get into the mechanisms here and get the cobwebs cleared out….
based on what i see in posts from the majority here, something is dreadfully wrong in this here wiring….
be Blessed, Folks!
Bro. Chuck
Report Post »NeoFan
Posted on April 10, 2012 at 10:02pmHe Lives today. Not only does he live you can gain knowledge for yourself that he does. If you have a sincere desire and a little faith you can pray, ask and get an answer.
Report Post »TH30PH1LUS
Posted on April 11, 2012 at 2:35am@ forfeitvalidity:
Unfortunately you reached your post limit before your question was complete. A couple thoughts based on what you wrote: (1) You mention the “goldilocks” portions of galaxies and solar systems. Also pare down your guessing based on a “sweet spot” in time itself. A unique window of opportunity has closed to our universe. The raw materials present at the time our sun and planets were forming are no longer available. Think of this in terms of cooking Thanksgiving dinner. If you don’t time things correctly, all the various hot dishes will be done before your turkey – and then by the time the bird is ready to eat everything else got cold and soggy. Timing matters whether you’re making dinner or a universe. (2) Regarding the “Big Bang”. Were you aware that this theory was presented by a physics professor who was also a Catholic priest? The atheists at the time taught that the universe was eternal & had no beginning. They mocked his idea by calling it a “Big Bang”. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lema%C3%AEtre
Report Post »9635kari
Posted on April 11, 2012 at 3:14amWrong, Wrong!! Christ did not need miracles to prove he was the Son of our Father in Heaven. Yet, he performed miracles in his day. If you can’t see miracles around you, then you are blind and refuse to see. A normal human being like you and I would not be able to perform these miracles except through a Priesthood. Look it up and you will see. I am appalled at the poll on this one.
Report Post »Obama Snake Oil Co
Posted on April 11, 2012 at 10:45amWell, when I was told it was not my time that we would revisit this at another time, I walked away from the light and gate, and returned to my body to be revived. Go ahead and gamble aethists…..I am no longer with you.
Report Post »Robert Hawk
Posted on April 11, 2012 at 12:49pmWho is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son the same hath not the Father; but he that acknowledges the Son hath the Fahter also. 1 John 2 22-23
Report Post »destrecht
Posted on April 11, 2012 at 1:19pmThere are miracles all the time. Fatima, Lourdes, Padre Pio, Betania… there was even one a few years ago in Colwich KS. but they are ignored by the mass media.
Report Post »Warpspeedpetey
Posted on April 14, 2012 at 7:15pmThe strong empirical statement is a logical contradiction and is therefore a false standard of knowledge. For an example see the following statement.
“Only statements that have empirically observable evidence can be considered true.”
The problem that killed the epistemological philosophy of Empiricism is the the fact that the above statement however formulated is not one that can be considered true because there is no empirically observable evidence for it.
The scientific method is empirical, an adjective that in this case means the scientific method is only concerned with empirically observable phenomenon. Many people confuse this adjective that describes the scope of the scientific method for an endorsement of epistemic empiricism.
So the idea that one must have or even should have physical evidence to consider a statement true is, and has been known to be false for a very long time.
As to the reason for G-ds actions one should consider info gap theory. G-d is omniscient, we are not. The gap between what the best course of action is and what we may believe it is based on our very limited set of knowledge introduces severe uncertainty. Unfortunately, we simply don’t know enough to say that G-d has not taken the best course of action. So when one asks why G-d did or did not do something they are really asking why an omniscient being acted differently than they would in light of the information they have.
I hope this has cleared up your concerns.
Report Post »quete
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 6:35pmDid Allah really existed?
Report Post »Paul
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 6:46pmno
Report Post »hillbillyinny
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 7:11pmNo, or if he did he IS NOT THE SAME AS MY GOD!
Report Post »momrules
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 7:28pmWell he is Satan so yes.
Report Post »ScienceIsNotEvil
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 10:08pmhillbillyinny,
You might just be correct considering that allah didn’t kill nearly as many innocents as your god did…
Report Post »macpappy
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 10:27pm@ScienceIsNotEvil
Report Post »Since when did Allah stop killing? As one that does not believe in any God, I have to wonder at the idea of Allah. Who would want a God so evil and intent on slavery, social injustic, and freedom to the point of declaring anyone that does believe in these things be killed.
That Allah?
Science may not be evil, but being a tool for evil is no science.
antola
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 10:54pmAllah and “your” God are one in the same. Uneducated people make me laugh.
Report Post »jesusrsavior
Posted on April 10, 2012 at 1:07amJoker50 – The words were written by men that were inspired by God. God’s spirit spoke through them. That is the power of God. What a miracle that besides twins, everyone in this world looks different and we all have different characteristics. Six billion people. Not counting everyone from the past. That is a miracle.
Report Post »theAMAZINGjackal
Posted on April 10, 2012 at 11:41amWell, Allah is the Arab name for God. Arab Chirstians call God “Allah.” So yes.
Report Post »Favored93
Posted on April 10, 2012 at 1:52pm@antola
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 10:54pm
Allah and “your” God are one in the same. Uneducated people make me laugh.
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HAHAHAHA!!! Your post is uneducated as well!!! Allah is NOT the same god as the Jewish and Christian God. Allah demands blood or conversion. God asks for our love and worship because He deserves it.
Islam is NOT even on the same playing field with the Jewish and Christian religions. It is ignorant at best and deceitful at worst to say any different. Just ask any Muslim if their god is the same as the Jews…try not to be to surprised at the answer you get lol!
Granny58
Posted on April 11, 2012 at 12:30pmAllah is NOT my god. My god is Father/Son/Holy Spirit, 3 facets of the same Being. Salvation is through grace by my god, not works as by Allah. MY god was born a human and died for my sins, which Islam rejects. There is no correlation between Allah and my god.
Report Post »RRRRRRR
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 6:33pmJesus did not provide any concrete proof of his divinity. For any normal person, that makes things simple — Jesus is not God. To believe that anyone today is God, we would need concrete proof. Jesus does not get a pass because he lived 2,000 years ago.
Report Post »Itsjusttim
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 6:52pmThat‘s why it’s called “Faithful and true” because the proof comes long, long in time. If my son denies in his heart that I am his father, in the short term he goes down a path ill advised, and I tell my son ‘When you are forty years old this thing will befall you’, and then it does befall him. Then, at forty years old he will realize I was his father, and the great number of things he missed out on because many more things I told him he never committed to memory, and is lost gold. He will have quite the sinking feeling in his heart, especially since it is likely I will not be around.
Report Post »VoteRightDammit
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 7:22pmAhhhhhhhhhhh ……………..
Concrete proof.
Got it. He should have, darn him, put together a generator, clean room, DNA sequencer, astral-energy detector (made that one up since we humans, whom you seem to deify, have not yet gotten that far), and one-upped Al Gore and both invented and constructed the internet. Oh, and a few million PCs for the people to use so He could disseminate the results and people could attest to them.
All the slacker did was to perform miracles unattainable by humans in the presence of a few thousand.
What a slacker.
Proof POSITIVE your faith based belief He is not He is correct.
You, sir, are the pinnacle of logic and reasoning. Hurahhhhh !!!!
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 7:29pmYou said, “Jesus did not provide any concrete proof of his divinity. ”
So, I guess you were alive back then? Tell me, did Jesus have long or short hair?
Report Post »formidable_foe
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 8:03pm@RRRRRRR,
Report Post »Is your name Really, really, really, really, really, really ridiculous? Did I miss a ‘retarded’ in there somewhere? Christ appeared to many different people AFTER his death. He also anticipated that even with this feat, there would still be naysayers like you. That’s why He said to Thomas, “Blessed are those who have not seen yet still believed.”
ImMadAsHell
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 8:26pmAH & a Moron
Report Post »iampraying4u
Posted on April 10, 2012 at 9:20amitsjusttim take your meds
Report Post »Favored93
Posted on April 10, 2012 at 2:05pm@RRRR
Report Post »You either did not read my earlier post or chose to ignore it.
What more proof do you need then rising from the dead or being born of a virgin?
The evidences I laid out for you in reply to your earlier post would give any normal thinking person at least reason to investigate further before making any more uninformed and ridiculous public statements…. Do some more research before you make an eternal decision based on intentional ignorance.
A good start would be a book by Josh McDowell called “The New Evidence That Demands A Verdict” in it you may find enough answers to at least start asking the right questions. (If you can’t afford to buy it your library will have it).
TRUTHSENSE
Posted on April 11, 2012 at 2:08pmJesus is eternal. He not only lived 2000 years ago, He has always been and will always be. He has proven Himself to me and millions of other Christians around the world, so you are wasting your breath to say He offered no proof.
Report Post »Itsjusttim
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 6:29pmYes, Jesus is real, really did exist., and his teachings were and still are paramount. What you need to ask yourself is: does it matter or not if he literally did the miracles (as taught) credited to Jesus? Because ultimately “The word” and Jesus’ teachings is the only thing that matters.
Report Post »Itsjusttim
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 6:43pmPeople even in this day and age don’t grasp how rumors spread, in that if I tell a fisherman I caught a fish “This big showing with my hands” by the time the story travels around the inner circle of anglers it will be 7 feet long before we know it, and then someone will write down “Tim caught a 7 foot long bass in that lake” where all the fisherman want to go fish. But people should be advised: somewhere in the universe exists a 7 foot long bass.
Report Post »Itsjusttim
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 7:08pmPeople should realize that if the Father shows his face then men would surely die.
Report Post »Captain Crunch
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 9:18pm“People should realize that if the Father shows his face then men would surely die.”
Very quickly…and they will find out when He comes back…by the edge of His sword.
Report Post »JGraham III
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 11:34pmIt is funny to read the justifications offered here on whether Jesus really existed & if he did, did he really do the miracles recorded. Interesting truth; all the miracles recorded that He did, every one of them was done before in the Old Testament record except for just one: When Jesus opened the eyes of the man born blind, it was said, “never before was it said that someone opened the eyes of one born blind” (John 8,9 10). It was this miracle that proved Jesus was the Christ, and that is why the religious leaders of his day fought so hard against believing it actually happened. Kind of like today actually.
Report Post »I have personally prayed for healing for people and seen it come to pass before my eyes. I really don’t think that makes me God, but it does provide proof that Jesus is the Christ. He said He would send the Comforter (a.k.a. the Holy Spirit) to those who would believe on Him. I have seen all nine gifts of the Spirit in operation both in my own life and in those of others; again proof that Jesus is the Christ.
Of course there will be scoffers and doubters, but the neat thing about Truth is that it stands on it‘s own and doesn’t need acceptance to be so. If you want to see a miracle, believe. God doesn’t waste the good stuff on unbelievers.
Paul
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 6:28pmThe questioin is “Does HE exist?”
Yes
Report Post »godlovinmom
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 6:50pmHow about this question…Who celebrated Easter in Jesus’s name????
Report Post »SimpleTruths
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 10:18pmNO he didn’t. There, I said it.
Report Post »Cesium
Posted on April 10, 2012 at 12:15am@Paul The other question is: Does the Flying Spaghetti Monster Exist? Just like you, I say “yes”..Thus, it must be true because I said so. I’ve seen his meatballs.
Report Post »Paul
Posted on April 10, 2012 at 1:48am@Cesium
Yep ! Problem is you will meet my Jesus…
Good luck with your dreams of the “Spaghetti Monster”
He/she or it doesn’t… are you 6-7 years old? If yes, your preety intelligent, hang in there “kid.”
Report Post »Paul
Posted on April 10, 2012 at 2:02am@godlovinmom
Pagans.
easter is in the KJV 1 time and in error, it’s a fertility godess and rituals… I’d get more graphic but many would not understand. I am not being condescending to anyone. Man has lied to you as usual.
Report Post »The term is Passover.
Paul
Posted on April 10, 2012 at 2:05am@godlovinmom
Or Kenites, if you will…
Report Post »godlovinmom
Posted on April 10, 2012 at 3:21amRight on Paul…I was wondering if anyone was going to answer..you my friend have got it…I DO NOT mix my Saviour with anything pagan…therefor I do not celebrate most holidays…Thanksgiving is our big one..along with the Fourth of July…which are patriotic celebrations of our America. God Bless
Report Post »Cesium
Posted on April 10, 2012 at 12:07pm@Paul I’m finishing my doctorate. http://www.venganza.org/
Report Post »RebelYell1862
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 6:25pmChrist IS the risen Lord. He conquered the grave and died for yours and my sins. Of this I have absolutely no doubt and would confess my faith even though it meant my death. This life is only fleeting, but life with Christ is eternal. Thank God for his mercy and for the price he paid for my sins!
Report Post »TRONRADIO
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 6:23pmActually, “Did Jesus Christ really exist” is a fair question. If a non believer asks this, perhaps that person will inquire further to find why He existed in the flesh and how and where He exists today. Many scientists, scholars, and laymen and women have started with this question and were led to a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. No question is a dumb one especially this one that is so vital to a person’s eternal home. As many have said, “question with boldness”…and “trust but verify”…
GOP/2012
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lillith70
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 11:38pmJosephus mentions him existing as a person. Maybe Josephus never esisted?
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on April 10, 2012 at 4:38amI have a Problem with the Poll Questions… with being the “Son Of God”… for to me, He is the “Son Of God”, if you mean ‘Think alike“ or ”In Contact“ or ”Perfect”… but if you mean Zeus came down and impregnated Mary, producing a God (all knowing) Child, then NO!
Report Post »Favored93
Posted on April 10, 2012 at 2:17pmRight on Tronradio! The truth and our God can handle honest questioning. If God is not afraid of questions neither should we be!!! :)
Report Post »Eblaze44
Posted on April 10, 2012 at 9:53pm@lillith70 Posted on April 9, 2012 at 11:38pm
Report Post »“Josephus mentions him existing as a person.” I have no question that Josephus lived, it is well recorded. My question for Josephus, did you meet this Jesus you say existed, or did someone else tell you. ALL of the defense of Jesus existence rests in the Bible and NO WHERE else. And from the beginning of the compilation of the Bible, the “New Testament”, no one was sure who the authors were of many of the texts they decided on. they may be ascribed to some but as Origin said, only God knows who actually wrote them. Neither Paul nor Luke ever met Jesus. Yet they write as if they knew him perfectly.
Favored93
Posted on April 11, 2012 at 8:29am@Eblaze44
Report Post »Paul did meet Jesus on the road to Damascus he was later tortured and killed because he would not say otherwise.
In most countries around the world meeting Jesus is a life giving death sentence. Are we to believe that those men who claim to have met the resurrected Jesus gave their lives for what they KNEW was a lie??? Does not stand to reason does it?
GumRock
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 6:22pmNice that we can vote more than once.
Report Post »I jacked the percentage up a Whole percentage point.
and Yes he does exist. and if you don’t believe me ..
ill waste some more time and Get-Er-Up to 100%
Ruler4You
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 6:29pmWow. Aren’t YOU the ethical one?
Americans can learn a lot from a person like this. No honor. No morals, no ethics. Just stupid.
Report Post »LambdaFairy
Posted on April 10, 2012 at 1:59amAll online polls are moot. Gumrock’s just making it more obvious.
Report Post »Richard Compton
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 6:21pmHis name was Yeshua Bin Yosphy born 6 BCE, no stable, no 3 wisemen, no star of Bethlehem ect.
Report Post »He was the living presence of Emamuel in human form, came to teach us the there is life everlasting, ie the reserection from the tomb. He didn’t die to take on your sins as many believe, it was a murder. Does this shock some of you, most likely, but ask yourself a simple question does your religion teach you how to become as only begotten? If not why not?
As man is God once was, there fore God is an exaulted and evolved human being!
We are the children of God, life is a school where we learn right and wrong, you will live many lives.
Your Heavenly Mother and Father love you more than you can undestand, speaking of our Mother did you even know she existed?
sawbuck
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 6:38pmTim …Do you have any Siblings ?
Report Post »VoteRightDammit
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 6:55pmSilly wombat.
Here is your falling down: you like to read snippets from anti-christian tomes, but lack the intellectual honesty and curiosity to no just ‘read’ the bible but STUDY the thing. One could not POSSIBLY claim such silliness if one were even slightly informed about that which he is critiquing.
The OT is pretty specific – from the very, very early books onward – about what was to happen. Then it all played out, EXACTLY —- as in, unerringly —- as foretold 1,000+ years earlier. One thousand years is a long time. Of course, then real, living and normal humans by the thousands witnessed the events and reported them. And, of course, the archeological evidence we little humans have so far been able to amass corroborates the events …. EXACTLY (even to the extent of the remains of the walls of Jericho having been found …. caving inward!!!!).
But, then, if you have not the strength to study and learn, but simply parrot the anti-Christian blather in your Agnostic Times mini-articles, you stand zero chance of ever discovering that.
Your loss, Pallie.
Your loss.
Report Post »TH30PH1LUS
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 7:15pm@ Richard Compton you wrote: “As man is God once was, there fore God is an exaulted and evolved human being!”
Wrong
Before the mountains were born
or you brought forth the whole world,
from everlasting to everlasting you are God. Psalm 90:2
Do you not know? Have you not heard? The LORD is the everlasting God, the Creator of the ends of the earth. He will not grow tired or weary, and his understanding no one can fathom. Isaiah 40:28
God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good? Numbers 23:19
Abraham planted a tamarisk tree in Beersheba, and there he called upon the name of the LORD, the Eternal God. Genesis 21:33
For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities — his eternal power and divine nature — have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse. Romans 1:20
I the LORD do not change. Malachi 3:6
Report Post »tketterer
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 7:49pmSounds like mormonism there little richardcompton
Report Post »@leftfighter
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 7:55pm@TH30PH1LUS
“Man is an exalted human being” and “eternal father and mother” are Mormon teachings, but he‘s going down a middle road between them and the Jehovah’s Witnesses. Very kooky territory.
As to “it was a murder,” that’s simple lunacy.
Report Post »Captain Crunch
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 9:25pmMust be something in the Kool-aid.
Report Post »@leftfighter
Posted on April 10, 2012 at 8:45am@VoteRightDammit
Wombat? Since we’re calling people random marsupials for comedic effect, let’s use platypus. It’s funny looking both in text and in person. lol
Report Post »Richard Compton
Posted on April 10, 2012 at 12:14pmI am not a mormon, never have beeen and would never submit myself to their doctrines. Yeshua’s life was a series miricles and most of his deeds were atributed to the Christ figure most of you are familiar with. Saul, who was the son of Caiaphas who later changed his name to Paul was the primary usurper of Yeshuas life. Sual was selected by his father to track down and eliminate all the deciples of Yeshua, and he was quite successful, you see the Pharisees had much to fear, they as modern religion had made religion a business or simply put mans souls up for sale. If you did as the preachers said then you would go to heaven , therefore merchandising people souls. The Pharisees, were loosing followers to Yeshua, and they suffered because of it, simply put they were afraid the people would no longer listen or support them with Yeshua arround, so Caiaphas went to the Romans, complained that Yeshua was causing a disturbance within their community, the Romans didn’t like disturbances or trouble and when such a thing happened they moved to squash it very quickly. Caiaphas went to Herod Antipas to kill Yeshua, but Harod is afraid because he‘d already murdered Yeshua’s uncle John The Baptizer, so he sends Caiaphas to Pilate. Caiaphas actually tried no less than 3 times to have Yeshua killed. Yeshuas mission was to establish Gods religion again on earth, and to teach. All the deeds that Yeshua performed as he said are available to you if you would but walk up rightly before you God!
Report Post »Favored93
Posted on April 10, 2012 at 2:24pmHAHAHAHA sorry Richard but that is total and complete NONSENSE!!!
Report Post »HAHAHAHA Is all I am going to say about that drivel! HAHAHAHA
ThePostman
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 6:21pmAtheists and liberals are more than happy to accept global warming just because most scientists believe it to be true, but they refuse to believe in this man even though most people, including scientists, believe in his existence.
If we are “climate deniers”, are they “history deniers”? Come to think of it, they are – they’ve been re-writing the history of the democratic party for decades.
Report Post »sick6james
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 7:31pmHey, that’s a little unfair. I‘m atheist and don’t believe the fake science of man-made global warming. Come on, not all atheists are liberal/communist/socialists. Many of us actually have brains and know how to use them, and can deduce good science from bad. I wouldn’t mind a world without winters, but science show that global climate changes tend to go through the same natural cycle every so often, as transcribed throughout history. Just because this winter was rather mild, it doesn’t mean that next winter will be the same. Just wait and the gripping cold of the north will return in full force (temps in the negatives, blinding blizzards, longer harsher winters, Year Without a Summer (1816 weather phenomenon) etc.) and change their commie tune back to “the great global cooling” debate.
On topic:
Jesus did live, but was not the mythical man everyone makes him out to be. He was good-hearted man who died due to the greed and corruption of others (not for “sins”), and never rose from the dead. I believe in the man, not the myth. He was a man whom everyone should live their life like, not to worship/idolize and beat themselves up about his death for “them” (I guarantee you had nothing to do with his death, just as I never had anything to do with the years of slavery here in the States) or criticize those who don’t follow your views because you believe what is “true” and what they do or don’t is “wrong”.
Report Post »Iam4EnoughALREADY
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 10:56pm@sick– my humble belief…. Jesus said he was the Son of God and died on the Cross to save us from our sins……You claim he was a good guy that we should model our lives around…… He cannot be both…..Either he was truly the SON OF GOD or he was a manipulative, cheat, conniving, liar. If he was not the son of God….then he has to be crazy, nuts, a loon to make that claim….. You see, he cannot be both. I chose to believe he was who he said he was……..
Report Post »sick6james
Posted on April 10, 2012 at 8:11pm@IAM4ENOUGHALREADY
I don’t think Jesus meant that he was the LITERAL son of God. I believe it was meant that he was a pupil, a servant, or a messenger, not birthed by a divine being and a mortal woman.
/$0.02
I do not worship a god or “the god”, I can’t logically make sense of any religion or mythology. Hell, I don’t even worship anything at all. I won’t criticize you for your beliefs or the way you choose to live your life, if it’s been working for you and literally billions of others, keep doing it. I’ll keep doing my routines and living a good life where I put more stock, time, and love into my family and friends, because that works for me.
Report Post »Itsjusttim
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 6:19pmI think people better stay with what they have been taught for hundreds and hundreds of years rather than change their mind now, and show how lukewarm they are.
Report Post »Itsjusttim
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 6:23pmBecause if all of a sudden the majority of people change their mind, and then people are swayed by following the majority into another concept, then it really isn’t faithful and true is it?
Report Post »JohnLarson
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 6:25pmYeah, just like we should have stayed with thinking the earth is flat, and that the universe revolves around it. And that bloodletting is a cure all.
Advance to the 21st century please…
Report Post »db321
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 6:26pmJesus made me the best deal ever – I’m sticking to it. According to the Bible and his teaching – it looks like Jesus will be coming back pretty soon and I don’t think he will be turning the other cheek!
Report Post »Itsjusttim
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 6:31pmJohnLarson,
Report Post »Haha. The earth is flat child, because it isn‘t the ’planet earth’ scripture is referring to.
Kankokage
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 6:33pmTo the atheist, only their religion can be shouted from the rooftops. All others must be silent, for that is the way of the 21st century.
Report Post »ZAP
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 6:49pmIsaiah 40:22 He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth. Just think if Columbus read the Bible.He would have known the earth wasn’t flat,as told 2,000 years before his voyage.
Report Post »@leftfighter
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 7:47pmErm… @JohnLarson?
You *do* know that the “flat earth” thing is a lie, right? We‘ve known almost since the dawn of civilization that Earth isn’t flat.
The “flat earth” theory was very demostrably proven to be wrong thousands of years ago when some unnamed person climbed to the top of the bargest rock he could find and saw that the Earth curved away in every direction.
The Greeks (Pythagoras, if memory serves) proved it mathematically, and again, if memory serves, the Greeks came before Jesus.
Even Columbus knew the Earth wasn’t flat when he made the voyage. He just thought that if you sailed far enough you’d reach China. While that was proven false, he did prove that there was something out there on the other side of the big blue thing.
Tell you what: while we’re up here performing the higher brain functions of debate and philosophy, you keep right on enjoying your rocket surgery, dude. Your unintellecual sniping from the periphery isn’t adding anything to tthe conversation.
Report Post »jakartaman
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 6:18pmThe Social secularist will do or say anything to push their sick agenda.
Report Post »I don’t watch CNN,MSNBC or any of the MSM networks.
They all have been bought by satan.
Kankokage
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 6:24pmThat statement assumes they weren’t started by Satan to begin with.
Report Post »godlovinmom
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 6:15pmJesus loves me this I know, for the bible tells me so…simple as that!
Report Post »Goldwaterite
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 9:26pmAllah is the Prophet this I know, for the Qua’ran tells me so. The pantheon of Hinduism is true because the Vedas say they are. Wait, how did that logic work again?
Report Post »Kankokage
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 6:15pmThe desperation to which people try to convince others of the non-existence of the universe is pretty appalling. When it comes down to it, without God, there is no universe. If God doesn’t exist, we don’t really exist. Sure, you may see and feel me, but does that make me real? If you come from nothing, and go back to nothing, then how is living anything but nothingness?
It’s kind of depressing. I’ll stick with my science, my religion and my God. And Christ existed. To say otherwise is to be dishonest with yourself.
Report Post »WrshpMzshn
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 6:14pmAll the energy spent on debunking the “myths” of the Bible (See History 2 Channel almost every day) confirms to me that if you can discredit the historicity of Scripture, then you don’t have to deal with what Scripture teaches.
Report Post »And if you bury your head in the sand then the approaching danger isn’t real.
momrules
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 6:11pmI won’t even read the article.
The answer is ……..yes He does.
Report Post »scuba13
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 7:42pmmom you really do rule.
Report Post »BJAlexandria
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 6:11pmI voted the same as 88%, but to be more accurate, I’d vote Jesus IS the son of God (not “was”) because He lives today, present tense. Thank God!
Report Post »COFemale
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 6:17pmActually some believe that God came to earth posing as God’s son. Thus Jesus was God in human form. I agree, as it states this in the Bible.
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 6:08pmslow news day in blazeville?
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 6:17pmhow about some real news…
US govt has been training terrorists on american soil (MEK) since 2002 – so much for the war on terror
Report Post »http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/foreign-policy/11460-us-using-terrorist-group-in-covert-war-on-iran
sawbuck
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 6:06pmMore Garbage.. Isn’t it trash day yet..?
Who cares what Cnn.. Or the people that watch it.. think..?
Report Post »If you want to watch GREAT fiction or yellow journalism ..
I suggest NBC and it’s affiliates .
soybomb315
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 6:12pmright. who cares what most people think…everyone needs to make up their own mind.
Report Post »sawbuck
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 6:26pmDidn’t say that ..But the world will never shake my faith in Christ.
Report Post »How about you..?
soybomb315
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 6:34pmi dont take my cues from other people. i put my faith in the bible. If 90% of the people think Jesus did not exist, it would have zero impact in what i believe
I think almost all ron paul supporters have this in common, we are used to being the minority – we believe what is right and stick to it
Report Post »sawbuck
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 6:50pmWow…… That was something.
Report Post »Putting a plug in for Ron Paul ..
While discussing the Deity of Jesus Christ.
I wouldn’t go as far as to say it was Good .
But it was definitely something.
Greattsauce
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 6:04pmReligious idiots believing in magic beings in the sky and idiotic stories written by MAN thousands of years ago, your superstitious beliefs make me titter like a school girl.
Report Post »isit1984yet
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 6:10pmIt’s either God or Chance as creator of life. Please then show me this magical ‘chance’ which is supposed to have this special power. Have you ever seen it with your eyes, felt it with your hands, heard it speak? I’m not talking about its said effects but its substance.
I’ll wait for this invisible magical god-like powerful creative force to be shown to me.
Report Post »BJAlexandria
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 6:14pmRecommend you read Lee Strobel (atheist turned Christian investigator) and C.S. Lewis to expand your knowledge.
Report Post »COFemale
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 6:15pmCould they make you go away too?
Report Post »chigger
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 6:15pmGlad you get enjoyment from us. You’re welcome! There is a spiritual concept in this believing in Jesus that people like you will never get.
Report Post »Kankokage
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 6:20pmAtheistic idiots who accept poor “scientific” theory as fact and believe completely by faith that life arose from nothing, you make me weep like a school girl. Evolution can fully explain speciation and development, but it cannot answer how that first cell with RNA and support proteins started. Once you allow yourself to accept that simple truth, the understanding of the real existence of God can begin.
Report Post »qpwillie
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 6:31pmI guess I don’t know anybody who believes in “magic beings in the sky”. I know I believe in an intelligent first cause who created the sky so in effect, the sky is in him. Yes, I believe in Yahshua the Messiah did and still does.
I find that more difficult to believe in the “big bang” which first existed as an infinitely small entity sitting in empty space …….. wait, space is a product of the universe so it couldn’t have been in empty space. Anyway, at a certain point in time ……… oops – time is also a product of the universe so that doesn’t work either. I guess I’ll just leave it to you to figure out how this all came about in perfect order without an intelligent first cause.
Report Post »Favored93
Posted on April 10, 2012 at 2:40pmScroll up and check out some of my earlier posts because had you read them you probably would not have said such unthinking and ignorant things in your post.
Report Post »The truth is that you have more faith then us “crazy magic believing” Christians do to believe that every thing your eyeballs have ever seen did not have an architect.
Even the simplest form of life is far to complex to have had it’s start by way of random chance…..NOW THAT TAKES FAITH TO BELIEVE!!!!!
Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 6:01pmSimply put, for me – God is the Father, His Son who is my Risen Lord and Redeemer Jesus who walked the earth as a human still exists in Heaven.
All others are free to believe or not to as they wish.
For me the matter has been long settled – changes in my world and life can only be accounted to by God Himself working to make them happen for the betterment of all.
Report Post »chigger
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 6:19pmAmen, Snowlepard, settled for me as well.
Report Post »pwatkins
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 7:13pmAmen!
Report Post »JohnLarson
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 6:01pmThe Jesus story is copied from earlier religions. The virgin birth, the 12 disciples, the resurrection, the birth date, the “good Shepard”, etc…
None of that is original to the Jesus story. And the New Testament wasn’t written until everyone who would have lived with Jesus was dead.
Big deal, we already knew this.
Report Post »chigger
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 6:24pmNo, the Jesus story is told in the Old Testament and those Old Testament stories were copied by the religions of old. The Jewish culture has existed from the beginning and their stories were taken by other cultures. That’s the reason several cultures have the “flood” story. Find a book on Old testaments prophecies concerning Jesus and you will see what was told in them was what helped reveal Jesus as God’s son.
Report Post »COFemale
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 6:24pmWhich religions would those be John Larson, please tell us.
You know the Koran does talk about Jesus and Islam believes that Jesus existed. They just don’t believe he is the Messiah, as well as the Jewish Bible.
It is okay you can deny him all you want. Don‘t say you weren’t warned. You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make him drink.
Report Post »antola
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 11:10pm@COFEMALE
Actually the belief of Jesus as a messenger of God in Islam is pretty universal. Of course you are ignorant of this because you actually did no research and just spouted the normal ignorance.
You claim to be such an avid devotee of this God fellow yet know little about him, and try and talk as if you do.
You in reality are an embarrassment to your beliefs and others that believe the same as you. I care little if you believe or not, at least make the effort to educate yourself about your so called beliefs. After all, how can you believe something you have no clue about?
Report Post »the wireworker
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 11:36pmthere is more historical evidence that Jesus Christ Existed than that of julius ceaser ruling in rome
Report Post »the wireworker
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 11:59pm@antola
Report Post »the fact that islam has it‘s roots in ancient egyptian myths and mohamed didn’t come on the scene till after 600 ad,
and the fact that they believe Jesus will come back and deny the christian faith and pronounce allah as the one true god which is false.
and the fact that the Bible speak of the beginnings of islam through a family lineage, a prophecy and the selling of a birthright.
sounds like to me you are twisting facts.
islam does not believe Jesus is the messiah they are hijacking him because of a family fued.
Sol Invictus
Posted on April 10, 2012 at 7:51am@The wireworker
Report Post »“there is more historical evidence that Jesus Christ Existed than that of Julius Caesar ruling in Rome”
I think not. Also, don’t forget all the Biblical evidence for the most influential and significant figure in biblical times – Alexander The Great. Or perhaps not.
TRUTHSENSE
Posted on April 11, 2012 at 2:15pmYou can believe all that propaganda if you want JOHNLARSON, but it’s all a lie spun by others who fear that if they accept the truth they should be accountable to it. Were there other religions teaching similar things? Sure, but they were just diversions of the truth revealed by God from the beginning of time.
Report Post »SpeckledPup
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 5:58pmleave it to the cnn democrat obama-atheists and Chicago obama-commie catholics to come up with some stupidity about the divinity of Jesus.. again. what next, they going to try to make Americans think obama is Divine? yeah like those obamamorons supporting him already think so.
and a lot of good Americans are not going to be at all surprised when Time and History finally reveals the true vile nature of the usurper obama and his dirty records.
Report Post »pavepaws
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 5:55pmOne doesn’t have to believe.Just leave the ones who do, alone.
Report Post »copatriots
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 5:51pmNon-believers just never know what to do with Jesus. They never have. One day though…..all will indeed bow before Him.
Even so, come Lord Jesus!
Report Post »Airwalk
Posted on April 9, 2012 at 6:03pmThe only One that Non-believers have to constantly try to imagine away-
they do not do this with any other source. Aren’t they asking themselves why?
Oh yes, one day all will bow
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