Did Obama Want to Apologize for Dropping Atomic Bomb on Hiroshima?
- Posted on October 12, 2011 at 3:05pm by
Billy Hallowell
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Since his inauguration, President Barack Obama has received plenty of criticism for purportedly apologizing to the world for the United States’ past actions. In conservative circles, this perceived collection of “I’m sorries“ was dubbed the ”Apology Tour.”
Now, new Obama apology drama may be on the horizon. The story today is that back in 2009, at least one Japanese officials allegedly assumed the president might express regret for America’s World War II-era atomic attack on the Asian nation, and an attempt was made to stop such a proclamation.
A recently leaked cable (via Wikileaks, of course) seems to highlight the Japanese government’s supposed efforts to dissuade the president from expressing remorse for U.S. action in the region. The secret document was sent to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton by U.S. Ambassador to Japan John Roos prior to the president’s 2009 visit to the country. The Japan Times Online has more:
The cable indicates the Japanese government was then effectively discouraging Obama from visiting Hiroshima despite growing expectations over it following his call for a world free from nuclear weapons in a speech in Prague in April 2009.
The cable, dated Sept. 3, 2009, and sent to U.S. State Secretary Hillary Clinton, reported Japan’s then Vice Foreign Minister Mitoji Yabunaka telling Ambassador John Roos on Aug. 28 that antinuclear groups would speculate over whether the president would visit Hiroshima in light of his Prague speech on nuclear nonproliferation.
Japan's Former Vice Foreign Minister Mitoji Yabunaka (now he is the Adviser to the Foreign Ministry)
According to the Times, Yabunaka told Roos that it would have been “premature” for Obama to visit Hiroshima during his trip. ”He underscored, however, that both governments must temper the public’s expectations on such issues, as the idea of President Obama visiting Hiroshima to apologize for the atomic bombing during World War II is a ‘non-starter’,” the cable read.
Yabunaka is also quoted as saying: “While a simple visit to Hiroshima without fanfare is sufficiently symbolic to convey the right message, it is premature to include such program in the November visit.” Yabunaka, who now serves as adviser to the Foreign Ministry, has said that he will not confirm or deny the document’s authenticity.
Offering up one theory regarding why Japan rejected Obama’s alleged apology plans, HotAir’s Ed Morrissey writes:
The last thing they need is an American President using Hiroshima as a platform for unilateral disarmament while China bristles with nukes and the DPRK keeps testing more of its home-grown nuclear devices…
It’s important to note that this story is not confirmed. At this point there isn’t direct evidence to suggest that the Obama administration definitively planned to offer public remorse for the U.S.’s decades-old actions. But the cable does, at the least, seem to indicate that at least one Japanese authority assumed the president was attempting to issue an “I’m sorry.”
This 2008 image shows U.S.-born Samir Khan in Charlotte, N.C. (AP Photo/Fox News)
This story comes at the same time that the State Department is catching heat for apparently calling and offering condolences to the family of Samir Khan, the American al-Qaeda propagandist (he was the mind behind the group’s flashy “Inspire” magazine) who perished in a U.S. drone attack last week in Yemen.
According to Jibril Hough, a spokesperson for the family, “They were very apologetic (for not calling the family sooner) and offered condolences.” The Charlotte Observer has more:
The phone call came a day after the family released a statement through Hough that condemned the “assassination” of their 25-year-old son – a U.S. citizen – and said they were “appalled” that they had not heard from the U.S. government to discuss their son’s remains or answer questions about why Khan was not afforded due process.
A State Department spokesperson has confirmed that the call took place, but due to privacy concerns, he did not confirm the details of the call. While some may view this as yet another example of the administration apologizing to America’s enemies, others would likely defend the conversation, especially considering that the family’s son was a U.S. citizen.
(H/T: HotAir)
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Comments (235)
Husband_Beater
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 4:03pmHe learned to apologize at home. I taught him!!!!
Report Post »mad_hatter
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 4:12pmFunny because she was reported to say today that she gets away from him as often as possible. You can see it in her eyes when she is around him and he is doing his Presidential duties. ( http://www.americanparchment.com )
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 4:18pmInvite Tiger Wood’s exwife over… and maybe you guys can fix… his head!
Report Post »Exrepublisheep
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 4:28pmWorks every time! Makeup a nonsense story and watch the fruitbats fly. Obama is not taking your guns, apologizing to Japan, or even a muslim. What branch of islam allows you to publicly state Jesus as the Son of God as Obama has done? The Koch heads have all your panties in a bunch for no reason. Do some research!
Report Post »Husband_Beater
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 4:31pm@Mad_Hatter
Report Post »You’re right, but I’ve been kicking his lousy a$$ for years and he learned to apologize that way. I just kick his weak a$$, he gets on his weak knees, apologizes to me, and I leave the child alone….I can’t stand him crying!!
Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 4:48pm@LukerW
Report Post »Forget Tiger’s ex-wife, invite Lorena Bobbitt!
Emrys
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 4:52pm@Exrep:
You said, “What branch of islam allows you to publicly state Jesus as the Son of God as Obama has done?” I believe that the Koran teaches that you can lie to the infidels, so why would this not be okay for a true believing Muslim to do? Not that I’m calling Obama a Muslim, I’m just addressing your statement. And when has Obama ever called Jesus the “Son of God?” I must have missed that one.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 5:41pmEXREP is one of those Obamabots that still has trouble acknowledging that Obama will say anything to any audience at anytime.
Report Post »Case in point:
“There was something stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma, Alabama, because some folks are willing to march across a bridge. So they got together (Obama’s parents) and Barack Obama Jr. was born. So don‘t tell me I don’t have a claim on Selma, Alabama. Don’t tell me I’m not coming home to Selma, Alabama”- Barack Obama 2008.
What’s the problem though EXREP? Come on think…. that’s right…Selma happened in 1965, Obama was born in 1961. To add to the insult Obama is giving you….Obama’s father had abandoned both Obama Jr and Stanley Ann Dunham (Obama’s mother) well before1962. So here’s Obama telling a black audience that the march across the bridge at Selma led to his parents getting together and his conception. But he seems to be off by about 4 years. This is a glaring example of Obama exploiting a black audience by appealing to their sensibilities while the facts are totally different to the narrative he presents. So when you bleat about “son of God” and such- you forget about Obama’s duplicitious nature. His vulgar willingness to tell an audience anything at any time.
SLOWBIDEN
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 5:46pmHe doesn‘t need to Clinton’s dmbass already did.
Report Post »Exrepublisheep
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 6:03pm@Emrys google “Obama Jesus” and take your pick. Also, I believe lying to infidels would not include insulting mohammed.
Report Post »RichNGadsden
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 6:15pmWhat’s the big deal? Clinton did it during his second term. LOL, on that note, take a look at his wife. Now it‘s 0bama’s turn to embarrass this nation, just as he will do running to the UN with a fistful of paper regarding Iran’s planned attempt to murder more people on our soil.
Report Post »Secret Squirrel
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 7:48pm.
It’s about time this bunch of clowns apologize……..
to me, the American citizen and taxpayer.
“I’m sorry,…………………you’re such a poor excuse for a president.”
Report Post »See, even I can say “I’m sorry.”
WeDontNeedNoSteeeenkinBadges
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 8:07pmNice picture. So when did that nuke go off in DC? I don’t remember hearing about it the the Propaganda Media … oh … never mind.
Report Post »Detroit paperboy
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 10:39pmCan this get any weirder ?
Report Post »Mil Mom
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 11:51pm@RichNGadsden
Report Post »Posted on October 12, 2011 at 6:15pm
What’s the big deal? Clinton did it during his second term. LOL, on that note, take a look at his wife. Now it‘s 0bama’s turn to embarrass this nation, just as he will do running to the UN with a fistful of paper regarding Iran’s planned attempt to murder more people on our soil.
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Just hoping this arrest wasn’t a “wag the dog” to take the news off holder’s subpoena. Iran may not be the people to mess around with like saddam was for clinton.
Servant Of YHVH
Posted on October 13, 2011 at 3:37amLets see, you are “Exrepublisheep”. Is that codeword for nobrainliberaljack*ss?. If it is, you are definitley proving it, including lying by saying that you are an ex repbulican sheep just to try and give yourself a supposed authrority. The closest thing that you could ever be truthful at saying is if you admitted that your liberal masters/pimps have to you to claim that name. If you were ex-republican and being a sheep was true, which is possible since there are a lot of republicans that are more liberal than conservative. What would be better, being a sheep for a bunch of useless republicans that are liberal or being a prostitute for a bunch of communist pimps that are using the brainless in their fold to prostitute themselves out for them to hide behind? That is of course if you follow the liberal communist pimps.
Report Post »Jackers
Posted on October 13, 2011 at 7:27amBarack Obama will spend his last two years overwhelmed by the problems he created in his first two years… And betrayal is the only truth that sticks.
Report Post »old white guy
Posted on October 13, 2011 at 8:16amobama, what a maroon.
Report Post »Tower7_TRUTH
Posted on October 13, 2011 at 8:31amAnd what the Japanese Imperial government could not do in over 200 years of persecution, American Christians did in 9 seconds. The entire worshiping community of Nagasaki was wiped out.
The above true (and unwelcome) story should stimulate discussion among those who claim to be disciples of Jesus. The Catholic chaplain for the 509th Composite Group (the 1500-man Army Air Force group, whose only job was to successfully deliver the atomic bombs to their targets) was Father George Zabelka. Several decades after the war ended, he saw his grave theological error in religiously legitimating the mass slaughter that is modern land and air war. He finally recognized that the enemies of his nation were not the enemies of God, but rather children of God whom God loved, and whom the followers of Jesus are to also love.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig5/kohls8.html
Report Post »TomFerrari
Posted on October 13, 2011 at 9:37ambarack hussein obama is not a muslim. he said so.
Report Post »Just because he CANCELLED the national day of prayer.
Just because he then held a MUSLIM DAY OF PRAYER
AT THE WHITE HOUSE
….
FOR AN ENTIRE DAY
….
but he’s not one of them.
Bravestarr
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 4:01pmDoes Hallmark have a card for that?
Report Post »Exrepublisheep
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 4:21pmlol
Report Post »Bernard
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 4:44pmBravestarr
Report Post »Bravo … Now thats old school humor (ala. Don Rickles) great one liner ,,, as we uses to write – I laughed a lot , and I am still chuckling … I ‘ ve got to steal this one – hope you don’t mind.
Thanks you made my day a little lighter….still smiling
RSB
red1
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 5:42pmYes I agree that was funny! I am still chuckling also
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 4:01pmDid Japan apologize for the Rape of Nanking.
An estimated 200,000 people died there. More than Nagasaki & Hiroshima combined.
Report Post »FEMALL
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 5:15pmI guess “gramps’ forgot to tell Little o about Pearl Harbor, The Battan Death March, among other things.
O=Over
Report Post »RichNGadsden
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 6:50pmThe Rape of Nanking was brought up in the ’90s as Clinton prepared for his apology tour regarding nukes. There was such an outcry for Japan to apologize for Nanking, Pearl Harbor, Bataan, and many other atrocities. Japan refused outright, but expected the official apology from Clinton. Oh yeah, Nanking lost likely one million people. There are photos of new troops that “needed” to be blooded bayoneting babies.
Report Post »READRIGHTHERE
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 8:40pmThe only apology they should ever receive would have to be worded like this:
“We regret that Japan was led by mentally deficient men who were ignorant enough to attack the United States drawing us into an unnecessary war and when their backs were against the wall in 1945, they could not muster the intelligence required to heed multiple warnings regarding our intended actions even before the first bomb was dropped in Hiroshima, let alone taking the opportunity after our first display of superior power to reconsider their position before it was again necessary to bomb Nagasaki. We express our sorrow that it was necessary to resort to a nuclear option in order to effectively communicate Japan’s need to surrender and end the blood letting conflict between us. We pray that countries such as yours or any other for that matter, will take measures to ensure that such insipid leaders never again are able to gain power, and will also take heed to consider their inflammatory stance in their relations with our country and adjust their policies regarding our great nation sufficient to negate a repeat of such a tragic, albeit necessary consequence.”
Anything else would be grounds for impeachment.
Report Post »the hawk
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 11:54pmThe only apology they should ever receive would have to be worded like this:
“We regret that Japan was led by mentally deficient men who were ignorant enough to attack the United States drawing us into an unnecessary war and when their backs were against the wall in 1945, they could not muster the intelligence required to heed multiple warnings regarding our intended actions
Report Post »thats good………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….
dadsrootbeer
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 3:59pmWhat’s next from the child king, Japanese reparations.
Report Post »POdVet
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 4:06pmHe will probably send sympathy cards to the families of the 9/11 hijackers.
Report Post »pavepaws
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 4:36pmHe should apologize for being president.
Report Post »Husband_Beater
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 4:45pmHe should apologize for our family not having vacations in October.
Report Post »Welcome Black Carter
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 10:33pmREADRIGHTHERE,
Report Post »re: “We regret”
Good one,really good one.
Centralsville
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 3:58pmDropping those two bombs saved lives on both sides. Why apologize for that. Obama is an idiot in an administration of idiots.
Report Post »symphonic
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 4:22pmyeah, and Obama “saved all those jobs” with his policies. You people and your “saved all those lives” arguments, when there is no way you could possibly know what God might have done to save this nation from harm if you did things HIS way. There is no way Jesus would have dropped an A Bomb on all those women and children in Japan, because you know what, He loves them too. You are NOT more special than a Japanese kid, unless that is, you are a BIGOT.
But please don’t pretend to know how many “lives were saved” with that horrific act of mass murder on civilians who were not fighting the war and could not defend themselves. How horrible that you would defend this. What kind of person are you?
Report Post »WylE
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 4:33pmSymphonic does not know much about the history of WWII.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 4:40pmsymphonic
But we do know how many lives would have been saved!
There are estimates so there is a +/- so many but we have a ball park ideal based on the casaulties
rates of the battle for the Phillipines & Okinawa.
“In a conference with President Truman on June 18, Marshall, taking the Battle of Luzon as the best model for Olympic, thought the Americans would suffer 31,000 casualties in the first 30 days (and ultimately 20% of Japanese casualties, which implied a total of 70,000 casualties”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Downfall#Estimated_casualties
Olympic (Invasion of the Southern Island) was just one of the invasions planned for Japan.
Civilians were being trained to used sharpened bamboo spears to attack soldiers. You don‘t think that wouldn’t lead to massacres of civilians whether they fought or not?
Report Post »symphonic
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 4:46pmsuch speculations conjure up images of the choices German citizens must have had to deal with with conflicting “morality.” True to country or true to God. Hmmm. Which should I choose??? Do I support this guy (Hitler) or so I stand up for what is right? Most chose the former. People do. We are no better as a people than the Germans ever were. People are people, they chose wrongly, so did we on that A Bomb murder.
You are speculating, and you are justifying horror on civilians.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 5:01pmsymphonic
My relatives were on the wrong side of bombs on two continents. I hate war.
But choosing to not fight is as much a choice as fighting. And it carries with it the possibilities of being wrong even if you choose not to fight.
Neville Chamberlain chose not to threaten Hitler with force ahead of the Czechoslovakia invasion instead we got “peace in our time” he said. Neville the pacifist was told that he could get Hitler taken out in a coup if he only he was prepared to fight.
Neville was a damnable pacifist.
Report Post »Navyavi8or
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 5:38pm@symphonic:
There were likely innocent women and children lost when God flooded the earth in the time of Noah as well. Unfortunately when ridding the world of evil, sometimes the innocent pay the ultimate price for the sins of others. Rest assured however, that in the end, good and innocence shall be rewarded, and evil shall be punished.
Report Post »jeffile
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 7:11pmI’m sorry people but imagine what life would be like if Japan had prevailed. I understand your compassion for those who have hurt feelings because we did what we had to in order to end the war but I and probably you would not be here had Japan won. The Japanese military was ruthless and showed no mercy. Yes, there were some Japanese soldiers who were decent and yes, some Americans did some awful things. But if you believe protecting your loved ones against monsters is somehow evil then you so not know right from wrong.
Report Post »Lord_Frostwind
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 9:35pmMy Grandfather fought through the bloodbath of Okinawa. Men, women, children, they fought the Americans to the death, or through themselves into the ocean. As cruel as some see it, the death toll of an invasion of Japan itself would have been catastrophic, they were estimating US troop losses in the millions and something close to genocide for the Japanese. My family exists because of Fat Man and Little Boy, I severely doubt I’m alone in that statistic.
Report Post »Mil Mom
Posted on October 13, 2011 at 12:05am@Centralsville
Report Post »Posted on October 12, 2011 at 3:58pm
Dropping those two bombs saved lives on both sides. Why apologize for that. Obama is an idiot in an administration of idiots
****
Question is: “Is there a brain behind this group of puppets?”
Mil Mom
Posted on October 13, 2011 at 12:32am@symphonic
re :There is no way Jesus would have dropped an A Bomb on all those women and children in Japan, because you know what, He loves them too. You are NOT more special than a Japanese kid, unless that is, you are a BIGOT.
But please don’t pretend to know how many “lives were saved” with that horrific act of mass murder on civilians who were not fighting the war and could not defend themselves. How horrible that you would defend this. What kind of person are you?
Report Post »***
Jesus wouldn’t need to drop A Bomb. Think earthquakes, Tsunamis, Hurricanes etc. God does love them, and we don’t begin to try to understand how He determines what happens to whom, But, we do know that we are NOT God, and thus must do our best to reach out and protect the weak because He said, “For I was an hungred and ye gave me no meat, ..Thirsty and ye gave me no drink…a stranger and ye took me not in…ye clothed me not, sick and in prison and ye visited me not” Matt. 25:42&43 . To have many people being sent to death as kamikaze pilots, sent to kill or be killed in armed conflict, is to be prisoners of a madman, who had visions of helping to divide up the world. The emperor would have kept on fighting for years, with men on both sides being lost. What those bombs did proved that we never agaain want to see a bomb used on anyone BY anyone, BUT, how many more would have died if this had draged on for years. It was a VERY HARD CALL. BUT IT DID SAVE LIVES .
symphonic
Posted on October 13, 2011 at 5:13amsounds like what many of you say is, “well, it saved lives to kill the women and children.” and that’s your justification. So a horrific act of TERROR that exceeded anything the Japanese did to us or the people of our nation (soldiers excepted) is justified. We can use TERROR and mass murder. Thats what you are saying, and you are also saying that you probably would not be here if they didn’t drop that bomb on those unsuspecting kids.
you know how heartless that sounds?
All I need to do is read the BIBLE to know that God fights our battles, but God was not in that decision. That was cold cruel murder of innocent civilians. That was not warrior to warrior with superior weaponry. That was murder of UNARMED and innocent civilians and children. It was TERRORISM and was a war crime. There is NO WAY that this would be justified in today;s world, and you know it, yet it seems you would vote to do it again. You live in the past. You live in the DARK AGES.
Report Post »symphonic
Posted on October 13, 2011 at 5:16amYou can talk of the flood of the Bible, and the fire and brimstone on Sodom and Gomorrah, and I will tell you what the Bible said. God could find no righteous among them. All were corrupt.
Are you prepared, like God, to say that there were NO RIGHTEOUS people among the Japanese cities there, and that they all deserved a death sentence that day? Those two cities were Christian cities. You can’t judge like that, and neither could Truman, which is why he went to his grave as a MONSTER.
Report Post »thegodfather
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 3:58pmAlso in the same leaked cable……..Obama wanted to apologize to Germany for the movie, Saving Private Ryan,…. especially that scene where they use the flamethrower on the Germans.
Report Post »gmoneytx
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 3:54pmHe needs to apologize for f(_)cking up our country
Report Post »SpankDaMonkey
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 4:01pm.
Report Post »I just want to catch him bent over apologizing, so I can Kick him where the Good Lord split him……
Dustyluv
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 4:02pmYea…hold your breath till that happens LOL
I wonder when he will apologize to the ******* he used drones on? That will be cool to hear too…
Report Post »fitsgibbons
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 3:52pmI guess I’m banned from posting.Sorry I don’t sugar-coat my posts.
Report Post »db321
Posted on October 13, 2011 at 1:54amWe all fell the same way – Keep it up
Report Post »db321
Posted on October 13, 2011 at 2:02amWe all feel the same way – I always see a mistake just after I hit submit.
Report Post »AIDANMAN
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 3:51pmsee JAPANESE_AMERICANS it not you fault, you need some social programs to create equality for what those WHITE americans did to you.
JUST vote for us(dems) and all will be OK.
Report Post »Lloyd Drako
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 3:57pmWhat are you yammering on about? This is about Japanese-American relations, not about Japanese-Americans, who already got their apology (and reparations as well) for their internment during WWII.
Report Post »decomposingclown
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 4:08pmsay what?
Report Post »fitsgibbons
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 3:48pmAlls fair in love and war……This despicable pile of rotting flesh needs to be impeached. America and AMERICANS deserve better than this RADICAL muslim lover. Eat crap obama!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Report Post »Tower7_TRUTH
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 3:52pmWhy did we drop the Bomb on the only 2 Christian cities in Japan ?
Report Post »symphonic
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 4:02pmYeah, why did we kill innocent WOMEN and CHILDREN, unarmed, and MASS MURDER them? I have not heard of a more horrific war crime in all my life. This one tops them all, and should be apologized for, and never done again, and those who support it and defend it ought to have some sense smacked into them… you can’t defend MURDER.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 4:21pmAt symphonic
“I have not heard of a more horrific war crime in all my life.” -symphonic
During this period hundreds of thousands of Chinese civilians and disarmed soldiers were murdered and 20,000–80,000 women were raped by soldiers of the Imperial Japanese Army.”
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_of_Nanking
Now you, Symphonic, have heard of something more terrible.
Report Post »symphonic
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 4:37pmDropping bombs on Hiroshima saved lives.
Euthanizing grandma would save a lot of money
Starving undeveloped nations would save the world.
Same sick mindset.
Report Post »symphonic
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 4:42pm@ walkabout. Everyone knows Hitler killed 6,000,000+ Jews, etc, etc, but these were multiple acts of attrocity. Keep it in context, I was talking about a SINGLE event that took place in a matter of seconds. I was talking about what the A Bomb does.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 4:44pmSymphonic
“Dropping bombs on Hiroshima saved lives.
Euthanizing grandma would save a lot of money
Starving undeveloped nations would save the world.
Same sick mindset.”
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We had to fight Japan or submit. They attacked us.
You are giving apples & oranges comparison
Report Post »symphonic
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 4:49pmNo Walkabout, I am being CONSISTENT. You are inconsistent. You have a relative morality. I have a consistent morality. I answer to God, not to expediency. You are behaving like the non good samaritan who out of expediency, chose to pass by the wounded man for your own “safety” and so you don’t help.
Since when do we get to decide that women and children “might” have taken a spear to us, and so we needed to murder them FIRST???
This is NUTS!!! We should not even have to debate this. You take an awful stance.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 5:04pmsymphonic
I didn’t talk about Hitler. I brought up things like the Rape of Nanking. It happened in a short period of time.
I guess if 200,000 are going to die it is better that they die by bayonetting, gunshot & rape instead of bomb blast.
You are telling the world there is a good way to die violently, because dying from bomb blast is worse than getting stabbed to death repeatedly. That is all sorts of moronic.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 5:11pmsymphonic
2 points
A) the Japanese government were training them. We didn’t know that at the time. But from recent history, the Germans had trained civilians in guerilla warfare. & they had enlisted child soldiers. The child soldiers took a terrific toll on the Soviets in the battle for Berlin. So much so that the soviets lost 800 tanks & had to change tactics. Blast every building.
B) Whether the civilians fought are not there were going to be high civilian casualties anytime a city was fought over.
Report Post »sickoftalking
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 9:00pm@symphonic :
There are different estimates in both cases, but there are a lot of scholars who have said that as many civilians died in the firebombing of Dresden as did in Hiroshima.
In all, many more civilians died from conventional bombing than did from the atomic bombs, which was first started by the Axis powers in campaigns like the Blitz. Both were morally wrong, in my view, and one can surely understand why people focus on the atomic bomb as a symbol of terror, because of its awesome destructive power.
But, people will often focus hyper-attention on Hiroshima in place of including it in the atrocities of Dresden and conventional bombing for political purposes ; to make it seem like Japan was a victim of Western imperialism, and that somehow the West owes the rest of the world for that. (The same people will often sound as if fascist Japan was just minding its own business, when the United States started an embargo, and they didn’t really want to hurt anyone.)
Word to the wise: read a full account of the horrors of World War II, and stay clear of people who want to politicize it.
Report Post »wtd
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 3:48pmBill Whittle put this apologia nonsense to rest . . .http://www.pjtv.com/?cmd=mpg&mpid=56
Report Post »Originally broadcast on May 7, 2009, PJTV brings this classic Afterburner out of the vault for the anniversary of atomic bombings against the cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Should Harry Truman have been prosecuted as a war criminal? Whittle takes you back to those fateful days and tells you the facts about the history altering decisions to drop two Atomic bombs on Japanese cities.
symphonic
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 4:03pmYes Truman was a war criminal
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 4:15pmAt symphonic
How long do you think the war would have went on without the bombs?
Please answer with specificity.
At least 297,000 U.S. casualties were saved
It was estimated that there would be “five to ten million Japanese fatalities”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Downfall#Estimated_casualties
Are you for 5 to 10 million Japanese deaths instead of 200,000? I assume you are.
Report Post »progressiveslayer
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 4:18pmOf course not,Truman shortened the war and saved thousands of American lives that would have been lost had we invaded Japan,if Japan didn‘t want a war I guess they shouldn’t have started one at pearl harbor.
Report Post »sgtbmedic
Posted on October 13, 2011 at 4:54pmSymphonic you are beyond hope suggestion LSD went out with the 60′s I am thinking you live with snow white and the dwarfs
Report Post »teapartyconservatism
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 3:43pm@ Locked
What Kickagrandma means is that Obama pulled a fast one on America. The good news is that you too can now know, what you didn’t know, you didn’t know!
Oh and thanks for pointing out that whole democratic process freedom of speech thing, because sooo many of us were unsure about it; particularly the vets who bravely risked their lives and took an oath to support and defend the Constitution.
Thank you for your service vets, you guys and gals are the greatest!
http://teapartyconservatism.blogspot.com
Report Post »Locked
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 4:01pm@Teapartyconservatism
Again, I‘m asking how exactly he didn’t win the vote. I mean, it was arguable in 2000 when Bush lost the popular vote but won the electoral college vote; but in 2008 it was nowhere near close. I would -guess- this is some tinfoil hat conspiracy theory thing, but that’s why I wanted her to clarify.
Report Post »mad_hatter
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 4:10pmHe is apologizing to all the wrong people. He is still attacking those that have their guns and bibles. According to http://www.americanparchment.com he has dropped all grants to Catholic Bishops. All funding to religious group is under attack by the President.
Report Post »teapartyconservatism
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 4:23pm@ Locked
Have you ever caught someone trying to cheat you at poker? Did you call off the game, pull your money out of the pot and teach the thief a lesson or were you ok with it?
Obama cheated, he was never constitutionally eligible and that my friend, voids both the election and everything the usurper he has done as our de facto President! See all the facts for yourself. http://teapartyconservatism.blogspot.com
Report Post »Locked
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 4:35pmHahaha, yeah, like I thought, it’s a tinfoil hat conspiracy, but thank you for the laugh :-)
Report Post »Locked
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 4:36pmAh, hit enter too quickly. You never answered the question: how did he not win the vote? You’re talking about eligibility, not the vote itself.
Report Post »RA0725
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 10:49pm@ locked
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-exindiana-governor-thats-not-my-signature-on-obama-petition-20111012,0,1203433.story?track=rss
Apparently, there are a lot of forged names and signatures on Obamas 2008 Indiana primary petitions, which “qualified” his name to be placed on the ballots for the Presidential Primary.
Report Post »sgtbmedic
Posted on October 13, 2011 at 4:51pmyou know what sucks as military and him being commander in chief WE cant say any thing against him
Report Post »Docrow
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 3:41pm“Unbroken: A World War II Story of Survival, Resilience, and Redemption” is a good read about what happened in the pow camps in Japan.
Report Post »TSUNAMI-22
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 3:40pmHopefully someday Obama can apologize to Iran for glassing the place over as well.
Report Post »TXPilot
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 3:46pmI can think of lots of places I wish Obama would apologize for dropping atomic bombs on….dozens in fact….starting with Iran. Not gonna happen though, because Obama isn’t going to do anything to hurt his Muslim brothers.
Report Post »Grace1798
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 3:37pmAh……..Japan came over to USA ..HAWAII and boomed Hawaii without warning and murdered thousands of innocent men, women and children. USA was asked to get into the war and refused………..yet, Japan was determined to take us out. So when will they apologize for booming us first? USA did not want to get involved in WW2,,,,,,,but Japan changed all that and they know it. I love the Japanese people and those alive today have nothing to do with that war…so the blame game should be over by now. We’re not blaming them and they are not blaming us. It’s in the past with people who fought in the past. But the facts are still the facts. Japan boomed USA without provocation.
Report Post »symphonic
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 4:00pmThe US knew the planes were coming, and the President did nothing to warn or put Pearl Harbor on alert. Also, it was a military target, NOT civilians so its an apples and oranges comparison. There is no risk when you drop a nuclear bomb, but when military attacks military they both have weapons. Fact is, it makes no sense that all those soldiers died that day, and FDR set them up obviously because he wanted to get into the war for some awful reason, but the people did not want it.
I wonder if the same thing happened with 911, that obvious demolition inside job?
Report Post »symphonic
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 4:06pmbrain fart, TRUMAN, not FDR (but they were both sewn out the same kind of cloth)
Report Post »OniKaze
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 4:18pmNot quite true… First you need to know a little about Japan (most people don’t realize this, unless you told to think about it, so don’t think I am slamming you..) Japan is a nation with (for the most part) no natural resources. And what is the main resource for a developing and thriving nation?? That’s right, OIL and STEEL. Right before Japan attacked us, America placed an Oil embargo on Japan and essentially cut off their oil supply. With no ability to have access to any peaceful methods of attaining oil, Japan had to resort to taking it… Thus why Japan began to try and expand its empire. They needed to capture lands that were rich in the resources that they needed, since due to an embargo they could no longer acquire through normal means.. And since America placed the embargo that was choking the life out of Japan, they chose to attack us, since we were technically responsible. What they did to us, was revenge… NOT an unprovoked attack.
Did they handle this wrong, yes…. But don’t think for a second that the U.S. was just an innocent victim (maybe the troops that lost their lives, but not our country)… We cut off their supply knowing full well that it would either destroy/cripple the Japanese empire (which is why we did it), or drive them to attack us (which no-one who was calling the shots thought they would ever do.. and boy were they wrong…)
Report Post »symphonic
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 4:26pmWar is horrible. I wish we would get the heck out of it and defend our borders and stop meddling in the world making messes. Like a game of RISK, we have all our pieces all over the world, and if ever attacked on our home soil we are vastly ill prepared.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 4:29pmSymphonic.
“During World War II, the Second Army and Chugoku Regional Army were headquartered in Hiroshima, and the Army Marine Headquarters was located at Ujina port. The city also had large depots of military supplies, and was a key center for shipping”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiroshima#World_War_II_and_atomic_bombing
The submarine campaign against Japan was starving the Japanese of war material & food, and the Japanese government, military 7 Emperor did what? Sue for peace? They did not. We were suppose to go home & let them remain in China, Korea & Taiwan?
“In conjunction with attacks by aircraft, including aerial minelaying, U.S. submarines had effectively destroyed the Japanese merchant fleet by January 1945″
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_submarine_campaign_against_Japan
They were still fighting. So we do what exactly?
P.S. I can’t wait to hear from you. You are quite the military strategist.
Report Post »symphonic
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 5:04pmWalkabout, instead of focusing on your side show DISTRACTION of how well I play “war” why don’t we just stick to the topic of what is moral or not? Is it moral to murder women and children who are unarmed, because you think, oneday, they might take up a primitive weapon against you?
I think when we break this down into simple moral decisions, it becomes obvious what is wrong or right. What confuses you, and others who think like you do, is the “strategy” of WAR. You are distracted from letting morality be the guiding principle rather than what is the most expedient way to “win” a war. Its the difference between righteousness and wickedness. Many wicked people have won wars in the past. Winning can’t be justification of what is wrong or right.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 5:20pmsymphonic
1) When Japan attacked us we had to fight them.
2.) We could not let them remain undefeated. The NAZIs had given them nuclear technology, radar jet engine tech & other technology. Any settlement without the Japanese government not being out of power would have resulted in a rematch, which we might not have won.
3. To defeat them would have required occupying the Home Islands. That would have entailed an invasion with many casualties on both sides including civilians (bomb or no bomb).
What are you disagreeing with #1, #2 or #3?
WWII Japanese Nuclear program: “Japan’s Secret War” by Robert J. Wilcox.
How do you think North Korea’s Nuclear Program came from? All of the Japanese facilities for bomb production was in the Korea’s industrial north of (uranium mines, hydroelectric power & related enrichment facilities).
Report Post »scogar
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 6:11pm@symphonic: You have drank the coolaid too much I think… My Wife was 3 years old living in Honalulu on December 7th, 1941. It was her “civilain” mothers birthday, she worked for customs at the docks in Honalulu… before the fighting started, she was allowed to go home because it was her birthday. The dock and surrounding area she worked in was destroyed by bombs…(fortunately for the rest of the personnel, they were sent home shortly after the attack was identified). The bombs of the era were so poorly designed that there was a very small chance that they actually would hit their intended targets unless the zero pilots practically followed them into a ship. So you see when bombs are that inacurate, there are always large numbers of civilian casualities, and were pretty sure the Japanese were familiar with the concept.
Report Post »jmiller_42
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 3:33pmJust so I understand what you are all saying here. If our defective government decides to attack another country whether military base or otherwise, that gives that country the right to drop an A-bomb on one of our cities?
Report Post »mad_hatter
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 3:44pmAccording to americanparchment.com he is apologizing to everyone, including the two mentioned above.
Now there‘s biden coming out saying if the jobs bill isn’t passed there will be more rapes and murders… what: http://www.americanparchment.com/video/2011/oct/biden_jobs_rapes.html
Report Post »progressiveslayer
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 3:54pmWell we had MAD mutual assured destruction during the cold war with the old Soviet Union,yes they were godless but could reason and use logic,the jihidists on the other hand can’t reason and I believe their rulers are insane actually want a nuclear war with Israel and us,they believe a nuclear war will usher in the mahdi and he will kill the enemies of Islam.I think we should nuke Iran before they perfect their nuclear program because when they get it they will nuke Israel.
Report Post »Lord_Frostwind
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 9:50pmYou seem to forget that there was a war that happened between bombing the military installation and the Atomic Bomb Strikes. The Japanese launched an assault on all fronts across the Pacific, Pearl Harbor was simply an attempt to disable the Pacific Fleet to give them an edge in the conflict. A few major battles, tens of thousands of soldiers and sailors killed on both sides, we decided to end the war with an opponent who refused to give up with the least amount of damage to ourselves.
Enough with the disingenuous assertion that Japan was some sort of innocent victim. Show some frakking respect for the men who gave their lives to reach that point. The honored dead deserve at least that much.
Report Post »valerie68
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 3:29pmGood grief! Even Japan didn’t want him to apologize. They are smarter than our own bumbling president. How embarassing!
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 3:35pmThe people of Japan, like even the greater majority of Americans and the people of the world, understadn what honor, integrity and truth mean and stand for. They attempted to allow Obama to save face and embarassment; yet it would not suprise me in the least if he wants to apologize, as he is so filled with hatred for the nation.
Report Post »Lloyd Drako
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 3:44pmSnow, do you really believe Obama hates America? My impression is that he wants foreign nations to love America, and (usually mistakenly) thinks that by apologizing for past misdeeds he can get them to do so.
My personal opinion is that no public figure should ever apologize for anything, ever, especially not for an entire country. It’s a stupid game that changes nothing about the past.
Report Post »progressiveslayer
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 3:45pmBased on Barrys prior actions,the apology tour where the Marxist in chief went around the world bowing and scraping to every world leader he could find it wouldn’t surprise me if this story were true.
Report Post »Barry is an anti-colonialist and he hates America,he said he would fundamentally transform America and his assault on the constitution will be stopped in 12.
Uechi
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 3:28pmI’ll be glad when this piece of filth is out of office.
Report Post »rose-ellen
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 3:46pmAmericans never apologize to anyone about anything. They are too arrogant and hard of hearts to ever see themselves as anything but superior human beings. They have a mind set akin to nazis and hubris to match. But just like the nazis were defeated their hubris will be their economic and political downfall.One day God willing they’ll join the rest of the world and embrace their shared humanity with the rest of the world.Nothing lasts forever not even the hypernationalist pomposity of the religion called americanism-the biggest threat to mankind on the planet today.Nobody is holding their breadth waiting for americans to apologize for the mass murder deliberately inflicted on civilians -the world accepts the hypocrisy of the american superpower and can glean pleasure in seeing its hypocrisy exposed here there and everywhere as blowback reaches its shores in the new millenium-the century of people ,not regimes or nation states and not even miitaristic hyperpowers like the pompous arrogant americans.
Report Post »progressiveslayer
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 3:56pmThe Marxist in chief and dry drunk will lose rest assured.
Report Post »Lloyd Drako
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 4:02pmRose-Ellen:
Report Post »Are you kidding? We apologize for everything: slavery, Indian policy, the internment of Japanese-Americans, the Tuskegee syphilis experiment. . . . It didn’t begin with Obama, either.
progressiveslayer
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 4:07pmRose you and your communists will be crushed in your take over attempt of the greatest country on earth,communism always fails.In the next election when the Marxist is thrown out of office we’ll have a president who will use nuclear weapons on Iran and break the muslims,they‘ve been killing our guys since the war started and it’s time to finish them,maybe you can be in Tehran to see the mushroom clouds,one can only hope.Say it with me Rosie millions of dead muslims it’ll be fantastic to see.
Report Post »symphonic
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 4:57pmRose Ellen is right in her assessment of US arrogance, just look at those here who defend this mass murder, it is disgusting that we can’t progress from this… but Rose Ellen is dead wrong in her ignorant assessment of AMERICANISM because freedom and liberty is what everybody in the world wants to have, and what we have the most of (but are fasting losing it). Defending that Constitution above all, and repenting of evil deeds ought to be at the top of our priority.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 10:14pmsymphonic
How about this for hubris?
“The next day, Japanese newspapers reported that the “ Potsdam ”Declaration, the text of which had been broadcast and dropped by leaflet into Japan, had been rejected. ” July 27/28 ”
On July 31, he made clear to his advisor Kōichi Kido that the Imperial Regalia of Japan had to be defended at all costs …
One of his uncles, Prince Asaka, then asked whether the war would be continued if the kokutai could not be preserved. Hirohito simply replied “of course.” -wiki
& the Japanese position is that they wanted to keep Taiwan & Korea if they surrendered. this is before the atomic bomb.
Hubris?
Report Post »db321
Posted on October 13, 2011 at 2:07amHey Symphonic your turning Blue – I guess your not getting enough oxygen to the Brain.
In the case of Pearl Harbor and 9/11 – if an ant bites you – do you look for the one that bite you or do you wipe out the whole mound. Lust wondering how far the liberal mind goes.
Report Post »Charbet
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 3:26pmI will never give this president the benefit of doubt on anything. He hates America as it was intended. My father fought in WWII, no apologies!
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 3:36pmMy Grandfather was Marine in Pacific of WW2. And I agree, they attacked first; we responded.
Report Post »No apologies.
Zoe
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 3:47pmWas it me, but as I looked around last December 7th…….. it appeared to me as though it was forgotten….
Port Capt., Rouen, France WWII ———-Thanks Dad……..
Report Post »rose-ellen
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 4:23pmWe apologize to our own -only to reinforce our unity before a common enemy[cold war, or now muslims].Sure we appropriate all ethnicities and religions and everything-as long as you think like us and go along with our version of ourselves.If it means bending over backward to appease an interest group or two-no problem. Just show us you‘re willing to be more american then the americans in your idolotry of america and we’ll give you all the accolades and apologies you crave. a tried and true strategy that has worked .it is as inauthentic as can be and hence inauthenticity is a hallmark of interest groups vying for power in this country-but heck it made america a powerful superpower-everyone wants to prove their bone fides by joining this military or accepting hypercapitalism dog eat dog principles..
Report Post »momprayn
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 4:23pmMy father was also in WWII, along with other family members — found out I am also a distant cousin to Pres. Eisenhower, my father’s side – which I am very proud of. Many thanks!!!
Report Post »Charbet
Posted on October 13, 2011 at 3:41pmTo all of our WWII Vets, both living and dead, I thank you for your service to America. I thank you for the Freedom we have been blessed with all of our lives. There are many of us now who will carry on the fight. We owe this to them and to all who have served.
@SNOW, ZOE, MOMPRAYIN, a special thanks and prayer to your relatives.
@RoseEllen
You are despicable, a charlatan, a leech. You complain about American Values yet you enjoy the Freedom they fought for to spread your filth.
My grandson serves in Okinawa as a Marine, carrying on our family tradition of keeping the Torch of Freedom burning…Yes, even for louts like RoseEllen…GOD BLESS OUR MILITARY!!
Report Post »commonsenseguy
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 3:25pmthere is no need to apologize to them, they got what they deserved for bombing pearl harbor,if and when they apologize then maybe,but the started it we finished it,so leave it alone. and obama needs to quit apologizing for this country,yes we have made some mistakes,but wee have more than made up for them,heck we are still giving countries food,medical supplies,guns,bombs and money, and these same countries still kill their own people, steal all the supplies and money,keep them in poverty and uneducated, and he feels the need to apologize,with out our guilt,these country would still be in a worse hell hole than they are now,
Report Post »rose-ellen
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 3:59pmAnd alquada says you got what you deserved for propping up dictators and giving support to zionist settlement expansion. one mans terrorist is anothers freedom fighter;if targeting civilians is right when you do it, it is right when they do it. everyone has a reason for believing they’re justified in killing civilians. Americas has a history of targeting civilians yet hypocriticaly feins it is wrong to do so. Thin skinned hypocrrites and mass murderers to boot.
Report Post »teapartyconservatism
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 5:16pm@ Rose-Ellen
Whether you are playing devil’s advocate or not, it is intellectually dishonest, morally reprehensible and unethical for you to compare destroying an enemies military industrial centers (cities) manufacturing essential supplies and weapons to support their war effort, to the random slaughter of innocent individual Israeli civilians by intolerant oppressive murderous Muslims motivated by their Islamic leaders who apparently must be misinterpreting the Koran, as surely it is the primary spiritual guide for the self described religion of peace and love.
The truth shall set you free! http://teapartyconservatism.blogspot.com
Report Post »flyoverbob
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 3:21pmWhile he’s at it he could apologize for firing at their planes over Pearl Harbor
Report Post »JRook
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 3:26pmTypical lame contestable extension. It was the Japanese individual who suggested he not visit and make an apology. But when we can’t find anything real to bash him on, we can always make something up. There is plenty of real stuff to beat him up on. This kind of stuff is juvenile.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 3:29pmAgreed Jrook. The Blaze even includes the line “this story is not confirmed.”
Report Post »Maximus_Delta
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 3:32pmSo true… hussien hates Christians and Christians nations, because he is a muslim….. he is also a POS POTUS….
Report Post »JohnGoodie
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 3:21pmHave any of the wikileaks cables been untrue? No. They won’t confirm this because it was a secret cable.
Report Post »Ironeagle
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 3:18pmTruman and Tibbets are spinning in their graves right now. What a contrast between this, pretend President, this Alien in the Whitehouse and the real men with guts and character that made the best choice to end WWII. In 2002 Tibbets told Studs Terkel: “Second thoughts? No. Studs, look. Number one, I got into the air corps to defend the United States to the best of my ability. That‘s what I believe in and that’s what I work for…. So, no, I had no problem with it. I knew we did the right thing because when I knew we’d be doing that I thought, yes, we’re going to kill a lot of people, but by God we’re going to save a lot of lives. We won’t have to invade (Japan).”
I am revolted every time I see a picture of/hear our Liar in Chief speak. What a disgrace.
Report Post »Wabbitseason
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 3:24pmThe Blaze is just not what it once was. I love Glenn Beck, but the Blaze seems to spend a lot of time on stories about which I care little.
Report Post »Curious Visitor
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 3:40pmWhat guts indeed, I can only dream of one day having the courage to order a plane to drop man’s greatest evil into a civilian city. It’s not even “America Right or Wrong” anymore, it’s “American Right or Wr… well America’s always Right”.
I am aware the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor. I am aware the sneaky little buggers didn’t want to surrender. But I thought you people hated moral relativism. How can the nuking of civilians be justify in relation to another action?
Here’s the thing about ethics and standing on principal – sometimes it sucks. In pre-modern warfare the success of a campaign could be greatly accelerated by burning villages, executing innocent civilians, destroying crops and livestock, but these things were all understood to be against the rules of ethical warfare and that those who ordered such atrocities were unrighteous.
Why does it matter how long the war would have gone on and how many Americans would have died if we didn’t nuke? Either the use of nuclear weapons is wrong or it’s not, and god help us if you people don’t see the problem with dropping nukes.
Report Post »Lloyd Drako
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 3:46pmIncidentally, a lot of Japanese as well as American lives were saved because WWII ended when it did.
Report Post »sickoftalking
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 9:10pm@chet:
About civilians versus combatants, because people believe there need to be rules to warfare in order to limit total war and prevent wanton death. You need to kill combatants to defend yourself, since they’re the ones with guns.. but you don’t need to kill civilians do defend yourself. The Geneva Conventions also say that the combatants’ right to surrender should be respected ; that if they wave a white flag, you should respect that and not go ahead and kill them anyway.
But no, considering that more civilians died from conventional bombing than the atomic bombs I don’t see it as morally different, and don‘t view the bombing of Dresden as ’better’ than Hiroshima; although the atomic bomb is certainly a symbol of the escalation of this tactic to a new height, and destruction made easy.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 3:15pm“It’s important to note that this story is not confirmed. At this point there isn’t direct evidence to suggest that the Obama administration definitively planned to offer public remorse for the U.S.’s decades-old actions.”
So, this story can be summed up as “There’s no actual evidence that Obama planned on apologizing for the WWII nukes hitting Japan, but we’re going to write about it anyway.” Well done!
Report Post »teapartyconservatism
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 3:08pmHad enough of Osama er ahh, I mean Obama yet?
Please check out the new and improved blog providing the facts repressed by politicians and the media, on how to be certain if Obama really is ineligible and what Congress knows about it!
http://teapartyconservatism.blogspot.com
Report Post »Steelhead
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 3:16pmget over it already he won by the vote of Americans. If you don’t like the democratic process move.
Report Post »kickagrandma
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 3:21pm@STEELHEAD ~~~ get over it already he won by the vote of Americans. If you don’t like the democratic process move.
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Uh, NO he did not win by the vote of the “Americans”. Not even close. Check out the facts, “son”.
Report Post »I love my country. You move, you liberal dirt bag!
teapartyconservatism
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 3:22pm@ SeelHead.
Thank you for your comment.
Having reviewed your lamentable comment history, now here’s mine.
You have been weighed, you have been measured, and you have been found wanting. In what world could you possibly justify such opinions? Begone, foul Obot. Your very name screams treason and ignorance.
Report Post »UlyssesP
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 3:25pmProcess? Ok. Process this. Voters kicking his a$$ out of the WH and onto the street Nov. 2012.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 3:28pm@Kickagrandma
I’m curious, what do you mean? From the CBS poll results:
OBAMA
Electoral Votes 365
Popular Vote 53%
66,882,230
McCAIN
Electoral Votes 173
Popular Vote 46%
58,343,671
As to Steelhead, arguing and voicing our opinion is part of the democratic process. If YOU don’t like it, get out.
Report Post »Steelhead
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 3:31pmKickagrandma- kinda a sore loser aren’t you . You don’t like free elections so move to Cuba you traitor
Report Post »progressiveslayer
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 3:32pmThe Marxist in chief is ineligible to be president,both his parents have to be natural born American citizens one is,his mother, and his father was a British subject at Barrys birth case closed.Congress knows this but have been neutered by the Marxist in chief.
Report Post »Kalshion
Posted on October 12, 2011 at 3:39pm@Steelhead
So let me get this straight, you think that rigging elections and threatening voters is part of the democratic process? Wow, I wasn’t aware (I guess you forgot that during the ‘08 election, several democrats and some unions used the race card on thier members, stating that if they didn’t vote for Obama, they were racist. And before you try and say thats false, take a gander on the net, there are statements and people who openly admitted to the press in Feb ‘09 that they were threatened by their unions in that fashion)
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