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Did Paul Krugman Really Recommend ‘Death Panels’ to Balance the Budget?
- Posted on November 14, 2010 at 6:10pm by
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Comments (142)
CrackerSmurf
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 6:46pmAre you f****ng kidding me?!?!@ Krugman may want to consider what he is bringing upon himself. A few years down the line does NOT bold well for him. Oh, I‘m sorry elitist don’t fit the death panel recommendations of a useful existence. Wacko. Are these people that stupid to not think they will get old too?
Report Post »Mickeyd
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 6:46pmGet out the pitchforks; these leftists keep angering the American people more and more….
Report Post »troyvar
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 6:45pmThese aren’t the death panels you were looking for.
Report Post »american1st
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 8:34pmLOL “The Force can have a strong influence on the weak-minded.”
Report Post »123gone
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 6:44pmGee, why stop with Grandma, when we could wipe out half the prison population as well? And look how much money could be saved by taking out the mentally ill, not to mention, all those who just won’t accept the Socialist agenda.
Report Post »RickN
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 6:42pmI’m sure he meant “debt panels”, but the freudian slip is interesting.
Report Post »NE12012
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 6:40pmThat’s Fantaaaaaaastic!
Report Post »DagneyT
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 6:39pmVAT & Death Panels….hmmm…the left is “outing” themselves with a seeming impunity. Interesting? Or scary? I vote for both. The next two months will be the most dangerous to our democratic republic since the civil war.
Report Post »Bob PA
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 6:39pmSo Sarah Palin was correct when she labeled the death panals! America, wake up! This is what the left has planned for you and as Beck predicted they are coming out of the closet. The left must be ousted again in 2012 so we can return to the prinicples and values of our Founders.
Report Post »Veritas
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 6:38pmKrugman is a good example of what is wrong with liberals!!
Report Post »starman70
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 9:43pmGo rent the movie “Soylient Green” starring Charlton Heston. Is this what were headed for?
Report Post »Maxxwell Maddingly
Posted on November 15, 2010 at 3:59amGreat movie! Very disturbing for its time and now we see it was almost Prophetic. Resently watched 1984(this movie is NOT for children) If you look behind the main characters and pay attention to what is Their reality… It is scary as hell.
Report Post »Comeandtakeit
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 6:34pmWe have a death panel and it isn’t the federal government, nor should it be. We call it “God” and only He should make this decision, not some bureaucrat. Paul Krugman does not own my 92-year old mother in law and neither does Robert Reich, Obama, or any other “elite”. Her medical care should be up to her and her doctor with a loving family helping take care of her and keeping this good soul with us as long as possible. Paul Krugman can pound sand. ” We hold these truths to be self-evident; that all men ( and women) are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are LIFE, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness…” I don’t see a damned thing in that statement mentioning Obama, Paul Krugman or Robert Reich gets to decide this.
Report Post »Nvrforget
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 6:44pmSo you’re against medical treatment altogether?
Report Post »Psychosis
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 6:55pm@nvforget…………….how do you get your statement from the above post?………the poster explicitly stated that medical care should be between the patient, doctor, and the family. the government has nothing to do with it ………..you sir need to go pound sand
Report Post »Nvrforget
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 7:08pmQuite simple:
“We have a death panel and it isn’t the federal government, nor should it be. We call it “God” and only He should make this decision, not some bureaucrat.”
I was just trying to show up the potpourri of idiocy that is this sentence. “Let God decide” means no measures to prolong life, no measures to treat illness, nothing. Medicine would go against the will of God. Little Susy is sick? Welp. Looks like God has made his decision. Suck it up, little Susy.
Also, he forgets to mention that at the moment, health care is between patient, doctor and insurance company. A company that makes its profits off of denying claims. Bureaucrats at that company decide if a patient lives or dies. A… death panel, if you will.
Report Post »silentwatcher
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 7:09pm@Nvrforget
what?? where did that come from?
Report Post »proudinfidel54
Posted on November 15, 2010 at 9:47amNVRFORGET, as usual you can’t see the forest for the trees, In regards to death panels, I am sure in your case we could make an exception
Report Post »oldasdirt
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 6:33pmAnd may the fleas of a thousand camals infest your beard Krugman.
Report Post »standswithafist
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 6:50pmi prefer he gets the flesh eating disease myself. from eyebrows to crotch with lots of pain. did i mention lots of pain too. pain so bad morphine would not help.
Report Post »thinkingoutloud
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 6:33pmKrugman-EVIL
Report Post »JEANNIEMAC
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 6:30pmBROKER0101 is a typical Alinskyite, using the ridicule tactic. Ignore this person.
Report Post »wilshar97
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 6:30pmTo be able to stand over this COMMIE and explain where he will spend eternity and then send him there——–PRICELESS!!!!!!
Report Post »barrycooper
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 6:30pmOf course he said that. Anyone with a shred of sense can see that if healthcare is funded by the taxpayer via the means of the Federal government (we give them our money, and they give us back what they choose to), then if the last six months of life are costing half or more of the lifetime medical expenses of people, then cutting that cuts costs, and enabled the avoidance of huge tax increases. Further, it does little to affect life expectancy rates, since for an enormous sum of money, little is gained. To the extent nations with socialized medicine are able to charge lower per capita rates for coverage, it is through various forms of rationing, including end of life care.
Clearly, we do as a nation need to face the fact, that we all die, and that if we could in theory prolong a loved one’s life 5 minutes at the expense of lifelong indeptedness, it would not be immoral to say no. Either we survive death, or we don’t.
The problem with Krugman and his ilk is that they want to make the decisions, and not individuals, via their choice in insurance companies, and own willingness to invest their own money. A given person may decide, for example, that a loved on in a coma is going to recover at some point, pay to keep them alive, and be proven RIGHT. It happens. It Krugmanville, that person is dead, and there’s naught anyone can say about it.
The long and short of it is that these clowns want to take from us what we have, then give us back only a fraction of what we had, since we will then not be able afford what we had (especially once we factor in the overhead of government bureaucracy).
For a simple, non-ideological treatment of health insurance, read this: http://www.goodnessmovement.com/files/Download/Notes–31–healthcare%20in%20ten%20paragraphs.pdf
Net: the death panel should consist in the patient, the family, and the doctor, not hubristic cretins like Krugman, poster child for the devaluation of the Nobel Prize.
Report Post »patriotteapress
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 6:29pmKrugman has been off the loony left chart for a while now, so this is no surprise. Maybe he would like to be first in line for these new changes! Of course the changes he wants will only apply to the “little” people.
Report Post »BlackCrow
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 6:27pmThis guy needs to sit in front of one of his “death panels”. One standard for the elite and another for the unwashed masses. This is not what the founders envisioned.
Glenn thinks if we have another revolution it would be closer to the French Revolution. With people like that in the “ruling class” it wouldn’t be surprising to see the guillotine on the Boston Common.
Report Post »HouseNegro
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 6:24pmAnd the first Death Panel should include everyone who voted for and still supports Obama. That would take care of the Entitlements, Health Care, and S.S.
I Vote for that one.
PhilipJames
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 6:21pmHow can you tell a liberal is lying to you? His lips are moving.
When will people realize that the way liberals operate is to lie like bandits and then back off from that position as conservatives prove them wrong? The best way to handle liberals is to just assume right from the beginning they are telling you a whopper of a lie and then work back from there.
So, now that Paul Krugman, a liar extraordinaire for the left wing wackos and a smear artist when discussing Sarah Palin, admits that she was absolutely right when she called them “death panels”.
Report Post »How much of a low life, scum ball piece of crap is this guy? 100%
Psychosis
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 6:20pmi hope that the msm diots are the first to visit the death panels.
Report Post »starman70
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 9:41pmHitler, Mengle, Stalin and Mao would be pleased!
Report Post »338lapua
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 6:19pmTranslation; Er um unhhh yeah, Sarah Palin was right.
Report Post »Atrocities
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 6:19pmYes, yes he is saying, we need death panels to choose who gets what medical care. What a hypocrite. What a flat out POS liberal hypocrite. In other words, if the death panels say no to grandma’s medical treatment, then we win twice because not only will we not have to pay for her life saving treatments, but we’ll also save Social Security fonds when she kicks off a year or two sooner than she would have had she been given the treatments. One of the few things that are actually transparent about liberals is their hypocrisy.
If morality were defined as a duty dedicated to the virtues of charity, civility, faith, family, freedom, honor, justice, loyalty, patriotism, personal responsibility, selflessness, and truth than immorality would be the opposite of these virtues.
The sense of morality is a fundamental human ability that most practicing liberals seem to be lacking. They’d rather put themselves before all others and then dictate to those around, rather below, them as to what charity they, rather the rest of us, will provide. In other words, they mandate to others to give while they exempt themselves from such charity. The rules, their rules, apply to everyone except them.
Liberals believe that everyone should share the wealth especially if they haven’t earned it. They believe this to be the “moral” thing to do. To a liberal, everyone is equal and therefore should be equally punished, or rewarded. Albeit they themselves believe that they are more equal than others. In theory this sounds good but in practice it’s an empty, valueless, and failed system of government known as social progressive communism.
Liberalism can be summed up by many definitions, but non apply more so than the desire to make the immoral moral by “any means necessary.” The book “Rules For Radicals,” written by Saul Alinsky and dedicated to Lucifer, has become a pillar of modern day liberalism. The book mandates the progression of the liberal agenda by any means necessary.
In making the immoral moral the liberals transform their own immoral beliefs and desires into a socially acceptable, politically correct, publicly adopted doctrine of social behavior. Thereby abating their duty of morality. Liberals hate the idea of morality because they do no want to be confined by its virtues.
The duties of morality are fundamental to sustaining the pillars of our values, our way of life, and our continued prosperity. Without them morality holds no meaning and we will, as surely as the sun sets, fail to preserve and protect our not only our republic but also our posterity.
Report Post »tobywil2
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 7:11pmOur President has a courageous plan to save both Social Security and Medicare
The Social Security Trust Fund is almost bankrupt and the Medicare trust fund is bankrupt. The problem has been apparent for years but until now no one has advanced a plan to save these popular programs.
At last, our President has the courage to propose a solution! It is so simple that one wonders why no one thought of it before. The solution?
Enact a “Health Care Reform Bill” the severely rations health care to the elderly. This will save the Medicare Trust Fund and allow it to be used to reward the Presidents political cronies and provide health care for “deserving Illegal Aliens.”
Deprived of medical care, the lifespan of the elderly will be reduced, depleting the number of recipients of the Social Security Trust Fund, saving that popular program.
Both problems solved! Why did it take so long to find such a simple solution?
Of course, the Congress and the President are exempted from the solution so they can perpetuate the problem.
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General K
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 8:04pmGotta figure a way to kill off the baby boomers quickly there are too many of us. The easiest solution…..
Report Post »american1st
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 6:19pmi am sure he didn’t say he wants a death panel, what he wants is a death panel,
Report Post »obama promised no death panels and he will keep that promise and we wont get them…. what we need instead is death panels…
Johnnybravo
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 9:50pmI get it now just as long as we dont get death panels, but only death panels
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on November 15, 2010 at 12:17amI am all for death panels. But it would only apply to those that consider it a good idea. Let us see how many of these talking-heads would sign up.
Report Post »snowleopard3200 {mix art}
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 6:19pmHonestly we just need to get this government under control with the spending and debt. Lets just stop arguing about it and get it done, before everything collapses under its own weight and we slip into a totalitarian state of the Progressives.
We need real solutions, real soon, or we will be in more than real trouble.
Report Post »TAXLORDCOMETH
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 6:35pmthe problem is we really will never pay off a debt this large. Who is kidding who? We need to be talking about writing all this massive debt down along with all the other governments in the world that are drowning in it.
Report Post »MommaGrizzly
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 7:56pmthank you snowleopard – it’s hard when some try to bring you down to their level. I have a question to pose to you – when I forward emails that are conservative in nature that cause some friends to ask that I not include them in the future it is frustrating to me that they want to keep their heads buried. What should I do?…of course i respect their wishes but what else?
Report Post »rebel
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 8:05pmhis ears are huge…like a troll
Report Post »snowleopard3200 {mix art}
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 8:17pm@Mommagrizzly
This is the only advice I can offer; pass them by per their request on the e-mails, and keep seeking out the people who will listen (not the ‘everything is a conspiricy’ types). There are enough of us that really care a lot about this land, and will make a difference. As Glenn said some time ago, we are not alone.
And as for this part too, when the time comes for the judging of our lives, you and I can testify to the Almighty that when called upon to warn America and make the stand, that we did our best, and do so with a clear consience.
Report Post »TruthTalker
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 6:16pmSurprised? No.
Report Post »broker0101
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 6:23pmSo, truthtalker, snowleopard3200 {mix art}, grandmaof5, catb, psychosis, etc, what did you guys do this weekend? BAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!! Absolutely pitiful, pathetic and HILARIOUS!
BetterDays
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 6:23pmnot surprised/ But I wonder if the “conservitive disease” I and many other Americans have will mean our medical bills don’t get paid?
Report Post »TruthTalker
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 6:31pmbroker0101 try googling youself sometime. The number of websites you snipe on is outrageous. It is obvious how you spend your time. In your mothers basement, drinking mountain dew and trolling all over the internet. Pathetic, indeed.
Report Post »BetterDays
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 6:34pmkick a commie to the curb in 2012!!!!!!
Report Post »Organize and tell a neighbor, expose the radical left to LIGHT and drive the commies to the curb forever!
silentwatcher
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 7:02pmOK people, if you’ve never before been scared of the govt and what it is transitioning to,,,,,this IS the time to be. The govt is on the verge of playing God. One fact is true, no matter WHO you are and how young you are right now,,,,we all grow old. Do you want to work all you life and know that at a certain period of your later life the system will ‘cast you out?’ What else is coming down the line 15/20 years from now? termination instead of a social security checks? With the ‘death panels’ on the verge, don’t you dare think termination is not possible. What have we come to even to have our govt suggest such a thing? If that’s not a defeating thought, I don’t know what is. Don’t know about you,,,,but I’m going down swinging.
Report Post »Cemoto78
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 7:10pmJust another example that any moron can win a nobel prize.
Report Post »silentwatcher
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 7:11pmtruth be told,,,I don‘t think we are at the stage where ’death panels’ will initiate,,,,,it’s just sad that someone with position mentions it and is heard by many.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 7:22pmWhere did I hear this befire “someone” said there would be “death panels”. Wasn’t it the left that dismissed them as “crazy”?
As for BROKE(r) What have you done in your so called life?
Report Post »grandmaof5
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 7:23pmBROKER0101, let’s see, Friday night went to a wife swap party, smoked pot and dropped acid. I looked for you there but I guess you were still under restriction and couldn‘t sneak out and steal your parent’s car. Sunday morning I went to church and asked forgiveness. Then I ran down to Tampa and watched the Bucs beat the Panthers. Now be a good boy, eat your veggies and stay off the porn sites, but most of all…get a life.
Report Post »silentwatcher
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 7:34pmI correct myself,,,Krugman is a just a “new york times columnist”, and obviously not a very good one at that. I‘ll bet he’s their pride and joy. Nonetheless, a columnist from the Times making such a statement? Degenerate.
Report Post »what4
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 8:02pmDang Grandmawof5, thats one wild weekend! Whoo Hoo…us old folks rule!
Report Post »snowleopard3200 {mix art}
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 8:20pm@Grandmaof%
Broker0101 seems to have missed the party; here in AZ we all were out with our camels and horses chasing bandits across the land, just like the Sheriffs of old days. (Note sarcasm is directed at the Broker 0101).
Hope the day was good for you Grandmaof5, had to deal with a dingbat who tried to burn the complex down – burned eggs/toast, took forever to clear the smell from the place.
Report Post »snowleopard3200 {mix art}
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 8:23pmOn this death pannel topic, I have been told there was a old movie by the name of “Logan’s Run” in which when the people of a city reached 35, they were blown up by a computer or something like that. Any truth to the movie?
Report Post »MissCherryJones
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 8:34pm@SILENTWATCHER
Report Post »Wait, Krugman is just a New York Times columnist? He can’t be, because the NYT said the death panel thing was false, just last year.
False ‘Death Panel’ Rumor Has Some Familiar Roots
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/14/health/policy/14panel.html
CatB
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 8:36pmSNOW … if you can’t get rid of all the smell (it may come back) this sounds weird but I hear it works .. vinegar. . Also you can take a bag of charcoal (the non-lighter fluid kind … not easy light!) and split the bag and leave it out to absorb the odor.
http://www.getridofthings.com/get-rid-of-smoke-smell.htm
http://www.vinegarbook.net/Smoke_from_burnt_food_remove_the_smell_with_vinegar.shtml
Hope it is gone ..for good .. but just in case.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 8:43pmYes SNOWLEOPARD .. it is LOGAN’S RUN and when they reach the max age a crystal in their palm shows (Clear I believe)…I have the movie somewhere here on DVD so you can probably get a copy…. it has Michael York and Farrah Fawcett in it…..upon “old age” you go to Cathedral to be “reborn” one of the enforcers decides to run when they turn his crystal early. Truth to the movie? …the movie exists.
Report Post »snowleopard3200 {mix art}
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 8:49pm@CatB
Thanks for the advice on the vinegar and the charcoal. Also for the details of the movie, will try to find a copy of it next payday.
Report Post »Conserving Ink
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 9:17pmWhat‘s astounding is he doesn’t even blink. And no one at the table tries to get him to correct himself. Its like they forgot that the great unwashed that they want to cull out where still watching! The Liberals know that the number of viewers so close to zero that they can say whatever they want. They forgot that we’ve woke up, we’re watching them like hawks.
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jzs
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 9:22pmLet me introduce you to the word “sarcasm”. “Death Panels” was determined by Politifact.com to be the “Lie of the Year.”
http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2009/dec/18/politifact-lie-year-death-panels/
Krugman has in five articles mocked the idea of Sarah Palin’s death panels:
http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/krugman-death-panels-palin/2010/11/14/id/377013
I’m trying to condense this line of of thought here into my new book, TP Opinions for Dummies. I’ll keep you appraised. Thanks for your input. Maybe I’ll make you famous!
Report Post »ClassicalLiberal
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 10:40pmFigures.
Side note
Help raise money for the Murphy vs Krugman DEBATE!!
If he doesnt do it, the poor dont get their food. If he does, he debates a “wunderkind” and will get his butt kicked.
Please help out. Lets put Krugman in his place!
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Max jones
Posted on November 14, 2010 at 10:55pmBROKER0101….let’s see, today I got up early and drove my son to work. I, then, joined a poker tournement on line and won 4200.00 for a third place finish. I sent 200.00 to the tea party PAC. I then downloaded my Bible teacher and read with him for an hour. I then went to the range and bought two boxes of ammo and shot about half of each…9mm and 45. By then it was time to cook for my wife who was due home at 4:30. Had my boy here for supper with a friend of his. During all of this, I grew in my faith and my love for my terrific family and my Lord jesus Christ, without whom none of it would have made much sense….how ’bout you, lonely boy?
Report Post »timeisnow
Posted on November 15, 2010 at 1:05amThis is the guy that Obama and Pelosi crafted their Health Care plan after, not to mention the Stimulus Bill that was a huge failure… This bunch has to be replaced and so does Christian who didnt flinch even whe Krugman suggested the Death Panles will be put in place at some point…
What these Radical Socialists believe in is just Not American…
Report Post »Marcobob69
Posted on November 15, 2010 at 8:30amAnd so Obama and co. LIED to the people yet again, they advertised that healthcare obscenity as NOT having DEATH PANELS. Do you get the feeling this administration thinks of older people as “unnecessary”? Sure seems that way to me, didn’t they take $500 BILLION dollars away from Medicare? Who uses Medicare you ask? The elderly, the disabled, you get the picture. Who are the people that can least afford to NOT have a Cost of Living adjustment? The elderly, etc. It never stops.
Report Post »Polwatcher
Posted on November 15, 2010 at 8:31amNo surprise here. Is Krugman a proud member of the Hemlock society? Or just another commie. Seriously, killing old people is an old commie thing. This is what they do. Remember Mao’s youth revolt? Millions of old people dead. They kill the old because the old have memories of what joy it was to be rid of commies.
Report Post »gracentruth
Posted on November 15, 2010 at 4:02pmExactly what Sarah Palin said.
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