Did Physicists Really Find the ‘God Particle’ This Time?
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GENEVA (The Blaze/AP) — It might seem that every couple months over the last year, scientists have been claiming to be just a little closer to finding the Higgs Boson — more informally known as the “God Particle.” This Wednesday though, the wait could (un)officially be over.
(Related: See other coverage from The Blaze of the hunt for the Higgs Boson)
Scientists working at the world’s biggest atom smasher at the European Organization for Nuclear Research, or CERN, plan to announce Wednesday that they have gathered enough evidence to show that the long-sought-after particle answering fundamental questions about the universe almost certainly does exist.
A wall painting by artist Josef Kristofoletti is seen at the Atlas experiment site at CERN. (Photo: AP//Anja Niedringhaus)
Still, after decades of work and billions of dollars spent, the researchers say they aren‘t quite ready to say they’ve officially “discovered” the particle.
Instead, experts familiar with the research at CERN’s vast complex on the Swiss-French border say that the massive data they have obtained will essentially show the footprint of the key particle known as the Higgs boson – all but proving it exists – but doesn’t allow them to say it has actually been glimpsed.
It appears to be a fine distinction. Senior CERN scientists say that the two independent teams of physicists who plan to present their work at CERN’s vast complex on the Swiss-French border on July 4 are about as close as you can get to a discovery without actually calling it one.
Inside CERN's Atlas detector. (Photo: CERN)
“I agree that any reasonable outside observer would say, `It looks like a discovery,’” British theoretical physicist John Ellis, a professor at King’s College London who has worked at CERN since the 1970s, told The Associated Press. “We’ve discovered something which is consistent with being a Higgs.”
CERN’s atom smasher, the $10 billion Large Hadron Collider, has been creating high-energy collisions of protons to help them understand suspected phenomena such as dark matter, antimatter and ultimately the creation of the universe billions of years ago, which many theorize occurred as a massive explosion known as the Big Bang.
For particle physicists, finding the Higgs boson is a key to confirming the standard model of physics that explains what gives mass to matter and, by extension, how the universe was formed.
Rob Roser, who leads the search for the Higgs boson at the Fermilab in Chicago, says “particle physicists have a very high standard for what it takes to be a discovery” and thinks it is a hair’s breadth away.
The illustration shows how a Higgs boson may look like in Atlas, an experiment conducted at CERN. (Photo: AP/Anja Niedringhaus)
Rosen compared the results scientists are preparing to announce Wednesday to finding the fossilized imprint of a dinosaur: “You see the footprints and the shadow of the object, but you don’t actually see it.”
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DarthMims
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 12:49pmAll faith and moral based comments aside, the breakthrough from this research would allow scientists to finally start work on a matter/anti-matter reactor that would not only provide cheap energy for millions without toxic waste products, it would ultimately allow countries to eliminate dependence on each other for energy since these particles could conceivably be harvested from any material.
Report Post »OhioRifleman
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 1:15pmErm, you may want to rethink the ‘clean’ aspect of matter/antimatter reactions. 1 electron and one positron (antimatter equiv of an electron) creates a lot of energy and a gamma particle. Enough of those reactions and you start getting hard gamma numbers, which can get messy / hazardous in due time.
Report Post »DarthMims
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 1:24pmOHIORIFLEMAN, true the reactor would create gamma particles, but understanding the Higgs would allow a reactor to be designed that would either turn the gamma particles into inert exhaust, or possibly into more fuel material, either would eliminate the deadly byproducts.
Report Post »OhioRifleman
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 2:17pmActually, after thinking about your suggestion, and assuming that we can manipulate the Higgs in the manner you suggest, I think the first application for an internal radiation barrier would be a field-replaceable ‘trap’ lining that absorbed the Gammas inside a nonpermeable one-way material and held it inside. Radiation goes in, gets absorbed, bounces around the core of the trap lining, doesn’t come out of the exterior shell of the lining. Once saturated, pull the lining material and dispose of in the same fashion as other hard-radioactive materials. In the long run, that might be more cost-effective in terms of energy expenditure than special systems to convert photons across types.
Just a theory. Hope I live long enough to see the next major leap.
Report Post »Steve28
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 2:42pmYes, another Green energy projects costing trillions instead of billions that will take over 100 years if that. How about using what was given us in adbundance!
Report Post »DarthMims
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 3:12pmOHIO, your theory sounds like you have spent some time on this. I hope we both live to see it come about.
Report Post »Hi Steve, thanks for contributing.
OhioRifleman
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 3:14pmOi, Steve, nobody here is suggesting we don’t use what we have. Nor am I suggesting / discussing an antimatter reactor as a replacement to any existing technology. If anything, I say DRILL BABY DRILL as loud and often as necessary.
You need to start separating theoretical application from real-world fraud. Use a little analysis skill, eh?
Report Post »OhioRifleman
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 3:44pm@ Darth
I look at these kinds of engineering challenges from an operations perspective – I’m a computer tech analyst in real life, so I’m mired in break/fix and long-range solutions for 45 to 50 hours a week. I also do science fiction, both reading and writing, though the latter I do not discuss as a matter of general course.
Generally, the simpler you make a machine, any machine, the better. As with anything mechanical, parts will need to be repaired or replaced in some fashion or another. In this case, a photon exchanger that converts gammas into, say, infrared exhaust would be excellent, but you need to consider two things: one, energy expenditure to make that conversion may be higher than the EO from the reactor itself, which would make it less than profitable. Second, if you are manipulating Higgs Bosons for matter creation, it is a trivial exercise to create FRUs for radiation trapping and simply dispose as needed.
Optimally, when engineering systems like this, you want devices functional, efficient and maintainable by someone with 2-4 years training – if you need a PhD to maintain office equipment, you’re doing something wrong. Higher-level engineering tasks need to be left to dedicated engineers or specialists.
Just the two cents of a field tech :)
Report Post »The_Cabrito_Goat
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 3:49pmMannnn I want to go to space so bad!
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 5:02pmEXCEPT…. DIESTs (GOD is INFINITE; the UNIVERSE is in GOD) do not believe GOD is In the UNIVERSE… so you cannot find a God Particle… thereby the Premise and Exclusion is in ERR!
Report Post »Todd P
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 5:34pmYeah, and think of the BOMB it would make!!!
Report Post »The1stDave
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 7:20pmNot to mention the expense of producing useful amounts of antimatter. We are far closer to a practical fusion powerplant than using antimatter to power anything.
Report Post »OhioRifleman
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 7:52pm@ The First Dave
Forget producing the antimatter – warehousing and transporting the stuff until such a time as you react it would cost far more, at least until energy ratios come down in our favor.
Thinking ahead becomes the challenge – you never start with a finished product, you take baby steps toward that realization.
Report Post »Old_Warrior
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 7:52pmAnd then it blows up.
Report Post »Crazymind
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 8:26pmBut liberals would say that this new free energy was cancer causing or dangerous to the environment.
A minimal of 2,024 permits would be required to use this free energy. This will cause the costs to be too high for use to the public.
It was found that AlGore and Obama use it in their homes
Report Post »kaman5066
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 10:39pm… and just think of the bomb it will make !
Report Post »NJBarFly
Posted on July 3, 2012 at 1:54amgamma particles? No, these are gamma rays, like X-rays, but higher energy. You can not trap them or contain them. You can shield them however, using materials like lead, or concrete or water, so this isn’t an issue. And it doesn’t leave materials radioactive.
Matter/Anti-matter reactors? Where are you getting this idea from?
Report Post »SerikFox
Posted on July 3, 2012 at 2:33amNice theory, but unfortunately the reactors necessary would cost billions each to create.
Report Post »Czarthur
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 7:41amHey listen, I have this bridge for sale…are you interested?
Report Post »GBIsTheMan
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 12:46pmEverything is made of God’s particles
Report Post »tzion
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 4:01pmYou know, reading this article reminds me of something I remember which I’m almost certain is from the Bible. Moses asks G-d if he may be permitted to see his face and G-d replies that he can’t but that he would place Moses in a crevice, cover the crevice with his hand as he walked past, and allow Moses to see his back.
The means that these scientists are using to “perceive” the Higgs Boson by looking for its “footprint” sounds like the same exact thing.
Report Post »dj109
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 10:25pmGalatians 6:7
Report Post »Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
The-Real-Enrico
Posted on July 3, 2012 at 4:34am@dj109 Get off your high horse your majesty. I don’t see any mockery in the statement above. God is the creator of the universe we are made in his image so wouldn‘t everything have God’s foot you’d say on or in it? Everything is made God’s by design. I would suggest you go back open up the Bible study some more before judging others.
Report Post »DrFrost
Posted on July 3, 2012 at 3:15pmPhysicists, in general, hate the term “God particle.” It wasn‘t coined by physicists and they don’t use it. It‘s strictly a layman’s term.
Report Post »GoodStuff
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 12:42pmAll particles are God particles. He created the world. He created science and is the Author of all science.
Meanwhile, Darwinists still looking for transitional fossils. Still looking…still looking…
Report Post »The_Doors_Of_Perception
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 1:07pmNo we are not…there are plenty of them now. Plus, we also have genetics now. We don’t need fossils for us to know that we are apes and cousins to Chimpanzees.
Report Post »Dont-hate-on-me-2
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 1:56pmCan we have some proof of these finds please. I can say anything I want here. Does’nt mean its true, factual or real.
Report Post »If you think just saying it makes it true I have some jelly beans that will turn you into a super hero!
The_Doors_Of_Perception
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 2:04pmSure, you have the same access to the internet and books that I do. Look at the mapping of the human genome….look into the study of genetics. We are more closely related to chipanzees than a horse is to a donkey. Just think about that one.
Report Post »PatrickW
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 2:15pmhttp://www.transitionalfossils.com/
Report Post »Lots of transitional fossils.
Jdixon1234
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 2:55pmIt is hard to argue that some did not come from some stupid ape. Thank God I didn’t.
Report Post »The_Doors_Of_Perception
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 3:02pmWell you can say you didn‘t but it doesn’t make it true. Fortunately for us its in your genes that you are and we don’t have to base anything on your misguided belief. You are a primate, the evidence for it is overwhelming, sorry.
A belief is not merely an idea the mind possesses. It is an idea that possesses the mind.
Report Post »Brainmuffin
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 3:42pmIt is more a list of wishes than science. Much of what is listed has been disproved. There are no transitional fossils.
Report Post »BigEd
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 3:49pmAny of these so-called transitional fossils have a hyoid bone so they could speak?
Report Post »The_Doors_Of_Perception
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 3:50pmThat is just not true. Again, even if what you said was true, which it’s not, you only have to look at the human genome to show where we came from. We are apes.
Report Post »The_Cabrito_Goat
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 3:51pmPlease do not select evolution as the hill you must die on
Report Post »The_Doors_Of_Perception
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 4:13pmI didn’t select anything…I look at the evidence. The conclusion is simple.
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 4:33pmYo PatrickW:
Seriously !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, you need lots, lots, lots, lots, lots, lots, lots, lots, lots, etc and etc of transitional fossils. You could dig till you come out the other side of the planet, you got just another of God’s creations … What you got is fools gold … worthless to the jeweler, by your thinking. But no worries, when you die you’re just gonna be dead like them there fossils. Just another missing link, or is that a link missing …
USACommoner
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 4:34pmNo, there are not “plenty”. There are NO fossils in the record that prove evolution. There are simply fantasies circulated that you all use to explain what might be possible. There are no facts and there is no proof.
clinging-to-my-guns-and-religion
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 11:43pmFact of the matter is. If there was PROOF, it woudln’t be debated. Just like there is PROOF that the earth is indeed round, thus it’s no longer debated. Just like there is PROOF that the stars are not actually holes in the sky, thus it’s not longer debated. Any honest, truth seeking scientist without an agenda will concede that the THEORY of evolution provides more questions than answers. And as of yet, I have yet to see The_Doors_Of_Reason provide any proof of his own. Just conjecture and conceding to even more theory.
Where are the transitional fossils you speak of that prove evolution. What SPECIFICALLY about the human genome proves evolution? Anyone that tries to say we have no similarities to primates is naive, but to go as far to say there is definitive proof that we are decended from primates is equally naive. You saying there is proof without actually supplying such proof but simply stating more theories is not good logic and will not convince any self-thinking person.
Report Post »ZomBrad
Posted on July 3, 2012 at 8:05am….we actually lose information as generations go by, not gain. Therefore, we’re less “evolved” than our forefathers.
Also……the words Angina, and ****** are pretty damn similar……so I guess they must be related!!!!
Report Post »PatrickW
Posted on July 3, 2012 at 9:35amThe discovery of a modern-looking hyoid bone of a Neanderthal man in the Kebara Cave in Israel led its discoverers to argue that the Neanderthals had a descended larynx, and thus human-like speech capabilities.
Report Post »DrFrost
Posted on July 3, 2012 at 6:32pm@The_doors
Hughes, J.F. et al. 2010. Chimpanzee and human Y chromosomes are remarkably divergent in structure gene content. Nature. 463 (7280): 536-539.
The issue is far from simple. Common ancestor or common designer? Both explain similarity. One thing is certainly clear though, in their haste to prove evolution some scientists have adopted very flawed strategies (as discussed in the paper above).
The strength of a true scientist is that they readily accept new data REGARDLESS of whether it disproves old conceptions. But now some scientists are becoming so blinded in their quest to prove what has essentially become their religion (global warming, evolution, etc.), they’re data is prebiased. In this case, they initially assembled the chimp DNA by using the human DNA as a map (even though the chimp DNA is 10% larger). Obviously this approach is horribly flawed! Now that the chimp DNA has been assembled properly it turns out there are much more extensive differences!
There are also other issues with these reports (only measuring exons and ignoring introns, ignoring insertions and deletions, etc.). And other complications (we share DNA with gorillas that chimps don‘t have but according to the proposed tree that’s VERY unlikely… we split from gorillas BEFORE chimps).
I think the answer from a good scientist should be: “Given current data our best guess is…”
Report Post »phattmatt
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 12:33pm“We have determined that it almost certainly does exist.“ ”We are as close to actually calling it a discovery without making a discovery.” In other words, “we have spent BILLIONS of dollars and found absolutely nothing.”
Report Post »Calm Voice of Reason
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 1:16pmFinding nothing would be an even bigger discovery; it would require an almost total reworking of modern physics. That’s where science gets its integrity-when something contradicts an earlier assumption, everything tied to it goes out the window. No doubt you can find numerous examples where “scientists” neglected this principle, but that’s the effect of human nature, and no fault of the scientific method. You will find no group more eager to prove themselves wrong than those worthy men and women at CERN.
Report Post »weisja4
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 1:54pmto add to what CalmVoice said, the question of if it is technically a discovery yet isn’t hugely important. What matters is that vast new information has been found and that information and data will lead to greater understanding. If that leads to a formal discovery of the Higgs Boson, then all the better, but if it leads to something else, then that is great too.
Report Post »Right_on_the_Left_Coast
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 2:57pm@Phattmatt,
Sometimes a story is just a story… not a reason to be outraged. And sometimes public statements can be taken at face value… and don’t need to be reinterpreted as politi-speak.
Some particle has been detected that has many of the properties that physicists expected the Higgs Boson to have. With a little more experimentation we’ll be able to determine the properties of this particle more exactly… and the more exact we get, the more confident we can be that this particle really is the Higgs Boson that was predicted by the Standard Model of physics.
We have finally developed the technology to detect subatomic particles that we could only theorize about for the last 20 years. Confirming the existence of these particles is a huge achievement… and though there is still more confirmation needed to be certain that this particle is the Higgs Boson… detecting this particle at all is a HUGE achievement, no matter what it turns out to be.
Report Post »The_Cabrito_Goat
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 3:53pmOther than curiosity, there isn’t much of an incentive to continue with these projects. They say that necessity is the mother of invention. I don’t see what these giant multibillion dollar contraptions gain us.
Report Post »CygnusX1
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 8:59pm–
@The_Cabrito_Goat –
With your kind of thinking, our only mode of transportation would still be by foot or horseback and people would still be wondering if the Moon was actually made of cheese.
I’m glad that there have been people in the past that that were capable of “Seeing the Possibilities” and pursuing those possibilities, rather than thinking like you and saying “Why bother!”
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Report Post »AllLost
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 12:32pmI truly wish I would have gone the physics route to understand better many things. Simple things like when IBM spelled IBM with Atoms….what were those atoms sitting on. How in the world do we find a single particle (smaller than an atom) from an explosion? I don’t deny that they did it, but I want to know how…and the training is probably beyond my reach and/or intellectual capacity.
Report Post »NineteenEighty4
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 12:25pmThe “God Particle,” a nice, catchy media name, actually has nothing to do with proving God. The Higgs Boson, more or less, is the theoretical particle that gives mass to all the things created in the universe. It would be amazing, if found. But not divine. If you’re looking for a god, stay in your pews. Scientists aren’t trying to prove or disprove god. They’re trying to do science.
Report Post »dblaess
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 12:37pmNo it is not divine. However, if all the atoms of the Universe do have an entanglement then perhaps this entanglement of atoms produces a “mind” so far above our understanding to be considered God. Perhaps as science progresses we will determine there is God and perhaps it will be determined that God does at times notice (manifest) Himself to us.
Report Post »OhioRifleman
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 12:38pmLooks like I’m not the only one trying to combat the bullsj1t name. Thank you, 1984!
Report Post »HorseCrazy
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 7:04pmthe God particle was a very foolish name for this and I agree with you. This will be interesting to follow.
Report Post »SquidVetOhio
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 12:21pm“and ultimately the creation of the universe billions of years ago”
Well, there’s a stretch. Banging atoms together will tell us the age of the universe how? Or is it a pre-conceived notion that the universe is billions of years old. Seems to me they don’t need to study this anymore since they already have settled on the outcome.
Let’s stick to the science please…..
Report Post »The_Doors_Of_Perception
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 12:42pmpre-conceived notion that the universe is billions of years old?
Report Post »weisja4
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 1:52pmThe search for the Higgs Boson isn’t about determining the age of the universe per se, but rather the nature of the universe and how certain particles interact. It is more to show how the universe may have come to be, not when the universe came to be
Report Post »tharpdevenport
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 12:20pmWhat does God need with a starsh … ah, Hadron Collider?
;-)
Report Post »DarthMims
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 12:38pmStar Trek 5, right?
Report Post »The_Doors_Of_Perception
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 12:18pmIt’s so hard to decide who to believe. People who believe in talking snakes or those that don’t? Oh wait it’s way easier than I thought.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 1:14pmSo you have to steal insults from Bill Maher? Pretty pathetic.
Report Post »The_Doors_Of_Perception
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 1:22pmI don’t like Bill Maher.
Report Post »Balthazor
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 1:42pmIt’s always been such a logical conclusion that the nearly infinite amount of matter which makes up our universe, as well as the laws of physics which regulate it all, just one day spontaneously exploded into existance from nowhere and for no reason. Perhaps one day I’ll get real lucky and a flying Lamborghini will materialize in my driveway from out of nowhere and for no reason, too.
Report Post »The_Doors_Of_Perception
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 1:51pmWell one of the things you said has evidence behind it, the other doesn’t it.
Report Post »Balthazor
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 2:02pmI‘m not sure you’re using the word “evidence” properly. I think “speculation” may be the more grammatically-correct term for the subject at hand.
Report Post »The_Doors_Of_Perception
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 2:14pmI think you are misunderstanding what evidence is to science. To use a great analogy by the biologist Richard Dawkins…its like a crime scene…you might not have been there to witness the murder happen but there is a mountain of evidence to sufficently support your speculation on what happned. We convict people everday using this method.
Report Post »PatrickW
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 2:20pmFirst of all there’s no such thing as “nearly-infinite”. Infinite means unending, therefore nothing can be near to that end.
Report Post »Second, there is not such thing as nothing. Even in the most empty vacuum, events occur. Something can indeed come from “nothing”.
4truth2all
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 8:22pmYo PactricW:
Report Post »Something cannot come from nothing, if nothing is no-thing. If there is no-thing then there is nothing. If there is only something, then there IS something …follow ??? Therefore only something can come from no-thing if there is a God, but of course you must try to twist in order to decieve so truth is not truth except when it is not true.
CygnusX1
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 9:08pm–
@4truth2all –
AH yes, the chicken or the egg thing!
So “Something” can not come from “Nothing”, but apparently God comes from… NOTHING?
The argument goes both ways whether one believes in a God or not!
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Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on July 3, 2012 at 8:34amYo CYGNUSX1:
I hear that twisting sound ….
Ah no, it has NOTHING to do with the chicken or the egg thing.
God does not come from NOTHING or SOMETHING, as He always was … infinite … no beginning and no end. This of course, is according to scripture, which did come from something/someone/some time/some place.
Report Post »thisdman
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 12:15pmOk so they are smashing protons into each other, big deal. Now can they tell me where the proton came from? I’ll start paying attention when they can create something from nothing. Until then I will believe in almighty God thank you very much.
Report Post »AnimalsAsLeaders
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 1:28pmThose answers already exist. You should check out “A Universe from Nothing” by Laurance Krauss.
Report Post »thisdman
Posted on July 3, 2012 at 1:16pmThanks for the suggestion but I think I’ll pass on looking into completely illogical impossibilities.
Report Post »Pontiac
Posted on July 3, 2012 at 5:44pm@thisdman
[when they can create something from nothing.]
Quantum mechanics isn’t “nothing” so your premise is wrong from the start.
[I’ll pass on looking into completely illogical impossibilities.]
Believes in a bronze age fairy tale, calls vast amounts scientific research into quantum mechanics “illogical”.
It doesn’t get anymore moronic than that…
http://i50.tinypic.com/b964nc.jpg
Report Post »trotula
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 12:13pmThey can find the Higgs Boson all they want. That’s great! I’m not sure why they call it a “God particle,” though, What happens in the spiritual world is, by definition, spiritual. I once studied under a particle physicist and she said, “Science can tell you HOW things happen. It can never explain WHY. That is where God comes in.”
Report Post »weisja4
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 2:10pm“They” don’t call it the god particle. That is a name that media/pop culture has given to it. You generally won’t find scientist using that term.
Report Post »Pontiac
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 8:04pm[It can never explain WHY. That is where God comes in.”]
Report Post »No, that is where people speaking AS god come in.
Tomr
Posted on July 3, 2012 at 11:24amPontiac, now you’re speaking as God.
Report Post »Pontiac
Posted on July 3, 2012 at 2:29pm[now you’re speaking as God.]
Report Post »Are you typing under the influence of drugs or were you born stupid? To speak for god, is to speak as god. I speak as a man observing the insanity of fellow man. Nothing more.
Tomr
Posted on July 4, 2012 at 8:27amThere you go again.
Report Post »guz75
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 12:13pmSeriously people. Where do you think most of the technology you’re using today came from, the vast majority came about as by products of exactly this sort of scientific experimentation. The world wide web itself was developed from technology that CERN used to enable scientists to better share data. The first computers were talked about as if they would never have wide use and would be limited to small numbers. Who knows what it will mean for mankind, but judging by the technological and medical advances we’ve made by accident over the years it could very well be worth it, that’s not even including any advances we might see correlating directly to this.
Report Post »AnimalsAsLeaders
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 1:34pmpersonally, i think science is just another opinion. ;)
Report Post »The_Doors_Of_Perception
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 1:45pmopinions with evidence
Report Post »audiemurphy
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 12:09pmWe all know what it is. We just can’t remember because that was one of the caveats of coming to earth. We would forget our pre mortal existence and gain a mortal physical body.
Report Post »After the resurrection and judgement day all will be restored that we once knew. And how disappointed will many be knowing they squandered their time in this life. Hence the wailing and mourning. None the less all who chose to come to earth will receive an inheritance based on what they did here. That is a just God. So what does it matter about the god particle ? Hopefully it leads to something good like I cure for some disease or something.
Freedom1984
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 12:03pmIf they think they did, GOD is just FOOLING with them. God is real, and he exists in the minds, and hearts of everyone who truly believes. I have the GIFT of FAITH…and no dummy scientist is going to take that away from me.
God is just fooling with these people. He is REAL. And how do I know it? Because I BELIEVE. It’s really that simple.
God Bless You All
Report Post »guz75
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 12:16pmAre you being serious? ‘The god particle’ is just a name that’s been coined by the press, this has nothing to do with god, or disproving the existence of god. You’ve really got a nerve calling anyone else a dummy.
Report Post »randy
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 11:55amAnd who created this so called God Particle?
Report Post »Why, God did of course …. Case closed.
Freedom1984
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 12:06pmAmen to you! You got it!!!!!!!!!!!
Report Post »SimpleTruths
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 2:23pmIs there no limit to you’re stupidity? Particle physics has nothing to do with proving or disproving your god. Why are you so defensive, is your believe system that fragile?
Report Post »OhioRifleman
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 11:54amMan, will people stop calling the Higgs Boson the ‘God Particle’? It is a bullsj1t name coined by a science fiction author that is incongruent with what the Higgs Boson actually does.
This search has nothing for or against God.
Report Post »gbfreak
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 12:00pmIt’s all from God…no argument here!
Report Post »OhioRifleman
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 12:18pmI hear ya there. Just getting quite a bit tired of the wild misnomer on the Higgs. Even if we had a way to manipulate the Higgs, it ain’t no God. That job and title is reserved to God.
Sorry, just my two buck rant for a day. The story above should say ‘sometimes ERRONEOUSLY called the God particle’.
Report Post »gbfreak
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 12:38pmAgreed…so what’s going to happen? Is God going to jump out and say….”Ya found me! All of the questions of the universe have now been solved!”,…lol
Report Post »OhioRifleman
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 12:57pmSince I have long figured God for a sense of humor, I wouldn‘t be surprised if he dropped by one of the CERN tests one day and said ’mod that setting. You’ll get a better result.”
Still and all, I watch these tests with off-and-on attention. It is this matter of research that tends to yield the least amount of major changes or improvements, but when it happens it is almost always a paradigm shift in its magnitude. The Manhattan Project stands out as one helluva bright example, given that what they executed has rewritten post-WW2 fate for better or worse.
Though, finding the Higgs conclusively might have similar results as Manhattan, but in a different fashion. If I’m doing my math right, we are due for the next singularity here in the next few decades.
Report Post »The-Real-Enrico
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 1:28pmYep. I don‘t know what atheist don’t get about that. Christian don’t dis-believe science. To make that claim and assumption is ill-informed or stupid at best.
I believe most Christians and or conservatives understand th fact of science and science theory better than most. Science theory is not fact like evolution, big bang, global warming etc. Those theory can not be proved in without of a shadow of a doubt. So people who “believe” that those theory are true have “faith” in their conclusion.
No science can dis-prove the God of the Bible because there is no physical form other than evidence of his creation. Our existence, life and the universe is not a coincidence.
Report Post »PatrickW
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 2:30pmThe problem with Enrico’s statement is that most of the people in the world would disagree that the Christian god created the earth. That is why a faith cannot answer these questions for the majority of people. The purpose of science is not to disprove a god or goddess’s existence. Nor can it ever actually prove said existence. Yes, there have been scientists that have tried to do one or the other, but clearly they have all failed.
Report Post »The-Real-Enrico
Posted on July 3, 2012 at 4:22am@PatrickW I agree with 100% but their no factual problem in my statement. Science can’t prove or dis-prove of a Christian God or any other God of the same nature. You not prove a negative or like a unknown unknown. It take faith to believe in a God and on the other side of the coin it also take faith to not believe a God or a creator by design.
I choose to believe in the God of Bible first and new testament. Some will say that I am wrong but if it is no harm to you or others what does it matter to you or anyone else? This why we are so hurt by the militant atheist who hate others who believe differently. They are the thought police who truly don’t believe in free speech or truthfully agree with the constitution.
Report Post »paulusmaximus
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 11:54am“Still, after decades of work and billions of dollars spent, the researchers say they aren‘t quite ready to say they’ve officially “discovered” the particle”. Beats working for a living, I see leaches on society who hope to disprove any responsibility to the living GOD or their fellow man.
Report Post »weisja4
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 2:16pmThose “leaches” and those like them created pretty much every piece of modern technology. In fact the internet itself owes its existence to technology developed at CERN. But I guess that isn’t enough for you
Report Post »rickc34
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 11:53amLook around , evidence of God is all over, creation cries out his glory.
Report Post »EqualJustice
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 11:50amI’m sorry but I think smashing atoms in a 17 mile wide tunnel 574 ft underground just MIGHT cause a few earthquakes, volcanic eruptions and Tsunamis. This does not seem like the right thing to do. Maybe I just don’t get it? http://atlas.ch/news/2008/first-beam-and-event.html
Report Post »“On 10 September 2008, the proton beams were successfully circulated in the main ring of the Large Hadron Collider for the first time, but 9 days later operations were halted due to a magnet quench incident resulting from an electrical fault.”
randy
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 11:50amThis Wednesday though, the wait could (un)officially be over?
they have gathered enough evidence to show that the long-sought-after particle answering fundamental questions about the universe almost certainly does exist?
ALMOST CERTAINLY?
aren‘t quite ready to say they’ve officially “discovered” the particle?
massive data they have obtained will essentially show the footprint of the key particle known as the Higgs boson – all but proving it exists – but doesn’t allow them to say it has actually been glimpsed?
about as close as you can get to a discovery without actually calling it one?
Hmmmm, These the same guys who think Global Warming is man made?
A theory is speculation….. Science requires proof.
Report Post »I see no proof here and probably will not come Wednesday either.
Calm Voice of Reason
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 12:27pmA “theory” is not speculation, you are thinking of “hypothesis”.
Report Post »The_Doors_Of_Perception
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 12:56pmIs the Heliocentric Theory just speculation?
Report Post »Johnny Cocheroo
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 1:23pmHypothesis – best guess
Theories – true so far but could change
Laws – never change (until the atom smasher tears gravity apart into different forces thus changing universal dynamics forever and shredding the universe as we know it)
But I concur – hypothesis.
Report Post »OhioRifleman
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 1:29pm@ Johnny
If CERN does manage to create a stable black hole, at least it will destroy the planet pretty quickly if of sufficient mass. If it’s to small, it’ll just tear a chunk out of Europe – a pity it had to be the one decent and hardworking part of Europe, but still…
Report Post »AnimalsAsLeaders
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 1:32pmYou seem to misunderstand the scientific process. Only mathematics can be “proven”. Science provides evidence and in conjunction with statistics it can provide us the likelihood of our evidence being correct. These particle scientists set the likelihood of their findings being an artifact or incongruent with the fingerprint of the higgs boson to 1 in 130,000,000. All they can do is push that ratio even further to 1:infinity by doing more tests but they’ll never “prove” it in the sense that they can just put a higgs boson in a box and hand one to you to look at.
Report Post »john vincent
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 11:48amThis is hilarious. Scientists have ‘found the God particle.’ As if God could be found in a thimble. If oceans, trees, rainbows, the sun, moon, stars, the wind, human and animal life, a laugh, a tear, are not proof enough, a fool will always look for what is not there. The table requires a carpenter; the mountains required a Creator. The fool has said ‘in his heart… there is no God.’ Get it?? The atheist does not simplyt disbelieve, he is the master of denial. The essence of faith is proof in the unseen, yet there is proof enough by creation alone. The God particle?? It is something else, you can be sure. And He that sitteth in the heavens is laughing.
Report Post »randy
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 11:55amWow, so beautiful….
Report Post »Freedom1984
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 12:08pmAgain agree with Randy….perfectly said. So so so beautiful. The fools that don’t want to believe will never learn.
Report Post »weisja4
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 2:17pmyou are totally misunderstanding what the Higgs Boson is. It has absolutely nothing to do with god or the proof for or against the existence of a god
Report Post »AnimalsAsLeaders
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 4:43pmNo scientist seriously calls or considers this the “god” particle. That is a name fabricated by media outlets to hype the research and create controversy. It‘s called the Higgs Boson and it’s just an important part of the standard theory of physics. No one is making any theological claims. These scientists could all be christians, it doesn’t matter – they’re not looking for “god” in any sense of the word. Stop playing into the sensationalization of an important discussion about physics, it’s needless, misleading and distracting.
Report Post »BeingThere
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 11:47amBecause of all the global warming lies I have no respect for scientists. I do know that the universe should NOT have been created as evidenced by just reading the headlines of any particular day!!!
Report Post »TheJeffersonian
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 3:52pmBecause McDonald’s food is unhealthy, I believe all food is unhealthy. Logic, the BeingThere way!
Report Post »lylejk
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 11:45amInteresting, but can they use this information for, say, making the world a better place to live in. I’m a curious creature like most folk are, but spending all this money on a collider that does nothing but reveal a trivial answer but can’t be used for anything practical (but I’m willing to be proven wrong) is just beyond me. If they say this will allow time travel, or, space travel cheaper, then I’m all ears. Maybe they can use the collider to defend the world against asteroids (but doubt it). Call me a pragmatist if you will, but we need to utilize resources smartly imo. None of these hyper-micro particles lead to anything but discoverying things for the sake of discoverying things. Just my humble opinion of course. :)
Report Post »Thatsitivehadenough
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 11:41amInteresting. Still trying to disprove the existence of God? Good luck with that.
Report Post »vox_populi
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 1:07pmInteresting. Still trying to prove the existence of God? Good luck with that.
Report Post »RetiredAmericanNavyTaxpayer
Posted on July 3, 2012 at 12:44am“Ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth”. (2 Tim. 3:7)
Report Post »theblazerunner
Posted on July 2, 2012 at 11:38amno.
Report Post »Government_Goodies
Posted on July 3, 2012 at 12:26pmCERN’s announcenments are usually crap. I see no reason to believe that this anything but more crap.
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