Did State Take Child Because Dad Associated With Oath Keepers?
- Posted on October 10, 2010 at 6:05pm by
Jonathon M. Seidl
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A New Hampshire couple is claiming their newborn girl was taken from them by the state because of the father‘s involvement in a national group that’s against unrestrained federal authority. The state, however, cites a history of domestic violence and child abuse as the reason for removing the baby.
Stephanie Taylor and Johnathan Irish of Epsom, NH are fighting to get their baby girl back after she was removed approximately 16 hours after birth last Thursday, the couple says. The couple protested with others, many strangers, outside of Concord Hospital on Friday where the baby may have been moved to. The protesters and parents believe the state took the baby due to Irish’s affiliation with Oath Keepers, which its website calls a non-partisan group of current and former police and military personnel committed to the Constitution and fighting totalitarian government.
An affidavit given to the couple (seen in the video below) does appear to cite Irish’s affiliation with the “militia” Oath Keepers, as well as the purchase of several weapons, in framing the reasoning. But it also paints Irish as an abusive and violent man who refused to complete a state-ordered domestic violence program.
The local Concord Monitor reports the affidavit shows a judge determined Irish abused Taylor’s two other children, which belong to Taylor’s current marriage. In the video above, Taylor says that she remains in that marriage because her husband refuses to sign divorce papers.
The Monitor continues:
The affidavit also says that the police in Rochester report a “lengthy history of domestic violence” between Taylor and Irish, and that she accused him of choking and hitting her on more than one occasion. According to the document, Irish failed to complete a domestic violence course as ordered by the state, and that a hearing was held last month to terminate Taylor’s parental rights over her two older children.
Taylor “has failed to recognize the impact of domestic violence in her life and the potential danger it poses to a newborn baby,” the affidavit reads. “Mr. Irish has not acknowledged any responsibility to date and remains a significant safety risk to an infant in his care. . . . Without the intervention of the court, the infant will be at risk of harm.”
Irish denies any abuse. He says the affidavit is “fabricated” and “trumped up” and clearly shows his affiliation with Oath Keepers is why he is being targeted. As proof, he points to a line in the document saying he is “associated with a militia known as the Oath Keepers and had purchased several different types of weapons including a rifle, handgun and taser.” As a result, he describes the sate as having “abducted and kidnapped” his daughter.
Lorraine Bartlett with the Division For Children Youth And Families tells the Associated Press that a child cannot be removed based on a parent’s affiliation with an organization. However, she could not comment on the specifics of the case because child protection matters are confidential. The Monitor says the police and the hospital declined comment due to similar privacy policies.
Still, most of the protesters believe that Taylor and Irish’s daughter was taken because of his political beliefs.
“This is supposed to be America, not Nazi Germany,” said one protester identified by the Monitor as Tiffany. “You can’t have your children stolen.”
“He’s a very honorable person who loves his country,” said Brad Guida, an Epsom man who told the paper he was Irish and Taylor’s landlord. “And I’ve watched the state and the police systematically hammer him.”
Yet many of the supporters interviewed, the Monitor says, were unaware of Irish’s potentially abusive past. “All I heard was that a baby was kidnapped, literally kidnapped, because the father posted on an online forum,” said Ofer Nave, a Manchester man who did not know Taylor or Irish. He heard about the protest online — the way that many have heard about the story in general.
So far, the couple’s story has been featured on websites such as Global Political Awakening, Militant Libertarian, and Truth is Treason. Within minutes of being posted on Alex Jones’s Infowars.com, the Monitor reports, the story attracted dozens of reader comments supporting Taylor and Irish.
“This is Nazi Germany crap that’s what this is,” wrote one commenter. “The camps are coming next if you let this slide.”
“What this comes down to is: you will no longer be able to just breed. Once you have the kid, they will take it away,” wrote another.
In a statement on the Oath Keepers’s website, organization president Stewart Rhodes says that “If true, then this is as bad, and in fact worse, than any of the violations of liberty that our Declaration of Independence lists as the reasons for our forefathers taking up arms in our Revolution and for separating from England.” In an update to that statement, Rhodes recognizes that there are other reasons cited for taking the baby from Taylor and Irish, but adds that “they are merely allegations.”
“[A]n even more fundamental point is that regardless of the other allegations, it is utterly unconstitutional for government agencies to list Mr. Irish’s association with Oath Keepers in an affidavit in support of a child abuse order to remove his daughter from his custody,” he says.
Rhodes, a lawyer, has offered his services to the couple, and the website says the organization will set up a legal defense fund.
“If it is true, then I will do all in my power to stop it,” he says in his statement. “We will pull out all the stops, every lawful means of seeing that this child is returned to her parents and that all persons responsible are held accountable to the fullest extent of the law.”
Reason.com’s Brian Doherty, however, raises questions about the affidavit’s supposed claims. After originally reporting on the story, Doherty issued an update saying that some sites posting the affidavit say that “the point mentioning Mr. Irish‘s membership in Oath Keepers is from a ’separate document‘ than the apparent order regarding why New Hampshire’s Division for Children, Youth, and Families took the child.” That may be true, as even Rhodes in his statement references the document as “the affidavit in support of the order to take the child from her parents.”
Whether the affidavit referencing Oath Keepers is part of the original order or simply supporting documentation may be insignificant, however. Both Rhodes and the Monitor treat the documents as essentially connected, and Rhodes claims to have “confirmed” them.
Since the protest, Taylor and Irish have been banned from hospital grounds unless either require emergency services. The FBI has been involved tangentially in the case, as it investigated threats against the hospital around the time of the couple’s Friday protest.
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The Associated Press contributed to this report.
(Editor’s note: The title of this story has been updated to reflect the content of the story: the term used in the reported affidavit linking the father and Oath Keepers is “associated.”)
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Comments (159)
thefljuggalo
Posted on October 10, 2010 at 7:57pmif anyone listens to a real patriot, alex jones, he did an interview with them on friday. he had a gun charge on him because his girlfriend was driving his car and they were met at home to cops and atf agents. he has a carry permit, ruling out the abuser claim, and she had his gun in her purse. they gave them a false charge. and then they monitored him online and saw that he was blogging on the “oath-keepers” website. so theykidnapped his child because he had a faulty gun charge and was blogging on a 2nd amendment free speech site. no other faults are on his record. this is just yet another C.P.S kidnapping job. this government is out of control. when do we pick up the torches and pick forks
Report Post »walkwithme1966
Posted on October 10, 2010 at 9:10pmDon’t believe anything Alex Jones says – he is the biggest conspiracy theorist around – oh, wait….he and Glenn work together – sorry I forgot!!! http://wp.me/pYLB7-db
Report Post »N37BU6
Posted on October 10, 2010 at 9:58pmYou can bash Alex Jones all you want, (it‘s easy as he’s eccentric, very emotional, and has been wrong on a couple of things) but Glenn Beck is now saying things that AJ had been screaming into the microphone 12 years ago… sorry, but it’s true. “The Glenn Beck Program” circa 2010 is basically just a calmer version of “The Alex Jones Show” circa 1998.
Also, TheBlaze has already linked to Infowars articles on its blog…
You take everything Glenn says seriously, why not Jones? Do you have any idea how ahead of the times the man was and still is? Do you have any idea how RIGHT he has been about hundreds of things big and small? The UN social programs, destruction of families, opening of the borders, human trafficking, global warming… I could go on and on.
Report Post »Rob
Posted on October 10, 2010 at 7:52pmI was raised to turst the government.. great men…Ben Franklin, Washington,Lincoln etc.
Now I don’t trust one of them. Not ONE of them.
Report Post »Jezreel
Posted on October 10, 2010 at 7:46pmIf they were concerned about the welfare of the baby because of so called domestic abuse, why did not they remove the other children? The CPS is a very contradictory organization. They like to obtain and remove blonde haired blue eyed babies to sell into adoption but leave other children of ethnic backgrounds left in abusive situations and even ignore reports of those trying to protect them. I do not feel the the CPS does a good job. Many many years ago, when I told my narcistic personality disorder mother to leave my house because she was trying to stir up strife and an argument, she turned me into the CPS out of revenge. She even lied to me that she did so as I knew she would be the only person that would do such a thing. My mistake was to allow the CPS to visit and even though it was obvious that it was a fake call, one of the workers treated me like crap and spoke to me very disrespectfully and was meaner than hell. That experience permanently severed my bond with my NPD mother for life. It was the last straw that broke the camels back.
Report Post »firedragon
Posted on October 10, 2010 at 9:25pmJez, I was a ppo for 3 yrs. It sounds like you might have been somewhat rebellious or maybe this happened during your juvenile yrs. If a report was taken on your family you had no choice but to interview with the worker or you would be put in juvenile detention, foster care, or removed from your moms home. Dss does not really want anybodys children especially babies with mothers on crack & drugs. You are very misinfomed. It cost the state a fortune & it is very sad to see a child suffering b/c of sepperation from their biological mother. It sounds as you needed someone that loved you to intervene & help you get thru that time in your life. From the things you said I picked up that you may have resisted the sw. If you do they had a lot of power to decide your placement or social needs. I was a very compassionate worker I wanted the children to be with their natural parents.
Report Post »RobertCA
Posted on October 10, 2010 at 7:40pmThe newborn should stay with his Mom , now if they have a legal problem with the dad arrest him or fine him I don’t care , but this is so stupid to hold a child away from his Mom & @ the same time hold the child as a hostage .
Report Post »Sledgehammer
Posted on October 10, 2010 at 7:31pmMore government intervention, help no one asked for nor needs! If their child services are like those here in CT., this baby is doomed!
Report Post »koyettsu
Posted on October 10, 2010 at 7:26pmWhen his girlfriend was crying he did not even attempt to comfort her, I found that a little odd. My feeling based on the article above and the video is facts are missing. Maybe he abused his other children, maybe the city decided to take his child because of his affiliation with the Oath Keepers. Neither would surprise me, at this point anything shocking I hear that the Govt. did regardless of how insane it sounds is very possibly true.
Report Post »CAROLYN-TEXAS
Posted on October 10, 2010 at 7:57pmI also noticed that he did not console her. maybe it is because she is not his wife.
Report Post »BMWmech
Posted on October 10, 2010 at 7:25pmGood thing they were white or Sharpton, Jackson, and MSNBC would have been there to cry rasicm.
Report Post »jimjonjr
Posted on October 10, 2010 at 7:19pmIf they did that was the right thing to do. Children should not be used as props for their parents causes. Adults who do should be charged with child abuse. That goes for both sides!
Report Post »mrsclark
Posted on October 10, 2010 at 7:14pmThe last I was aware, if you didnt follow a court order, ie, taking a domestic violence class, then you are in contempt, and they come and arrest YOU, they dont come and take other people out of the house. Would that not serve to keep the child just as safe?
Report Post »LadyIzShy
Posted on October 10, 2010 at 7:03pmwhy not arrest him rather than take the child from its mother? why are the other children also not removed.. there are many questions here
Report Post »CAROLYN-TEXAS
Posted on October 10, 2010 at 7:00pmAdd your comments
Report Post »CAROLYN-TEXAS
Posted on October 10, 2010 at 7:54pmThey could have simply kept mother and child in the hospital ( with the mother nursing the child) untill they sort every thing out. It appears that the baby was removed and the mother put out in the street. Surely this is not what happened…..
Report Post »student1776
Posted on October 10, 2010 at 6:59pmIt is pretty easy for the government to make allegations. Look at the allegations Obama made against Rove just this week that he had to retract when they were proven to be lies. The lengths to which the government will go to keep their corrupt power and punish those aligned with principles of conscience enumerated in the Nuremberg trials is quite clear. The pertinent legal principle is innocent until proven guilty. The fact that they violate this principle is evidence of their ill intent.
Report Post »Contrarianthinker
Posted on October 10, 2010 at 8:10pmHope you have thousands of $s in legal fees. You’re quilty until you prove yourself innocent. Adminsitrative law “allows” this.
Report Post »AmericanPatriot01
Posted on October 10, 2010 at 8:33pmHave you ever had to deal with the police? Have you ever been accused of a crime? That statement may be the way it is supposed to be, but, if you ever get accused of something you didn’t do, then you will find out that this is not the case, for you. They treat you as guilty until proven innocent, it has been that way for years now.
Report Post »SgtB
Posted on October 10, 2010 at 6:52pmGod help the person that tries to take my child. (when I finally get around to having some) I will not be a happy camper.
Report Post »diesel71dan
Posted on October 10, 2010 at 7:21pmIf you think you feel that way now, just wait until you do have them. It bringson a love and dedication that you can not possibly imagine. They would have had to kill me to take my child!
Report Post »joseph Fawcett
Posted on October 10, 2010 at 6:51pmThe all powerful state is coming. I just wonder what is coming next?
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Report Post »Huckabee Gingrich 12
Posted on October 11, 2010 at 10:47amHopefully what is coming next is that you get booted from this site if you spam it…
Report Post »Cuba
Posted on October 10, 2010 at 6:50pmWelcome to Obama’s world, this is just the second year…
Report Post »chazman
Posted on October 10, 2010 at 6:45pmThere is a lot going on here. Let’s reserve judgement until all the facts are in.
Lock and Load Ladies and Gents …
Report Post »BECKONOMIST
Posted on October 11, 2010 at 3:05amLock and load?? Really? That is overkill…
Report Post »AzDebi
Posted on October 10, 2010 at 6:41pmSomething is WAY WRONG here…a NEWBORN…16 HOURS OLD…I understand from the Oath Keepers website that the baby was taken right from the hospital…
Report Post »KKING1
Posted on October 10, 2010 at 6:36pmIf he has child abuse claims on his record, I don’t see the story here. Many times, if a CPS official does not take a child out of a home and something happens, everyone wonders why they didn’t take the child out. But then when they do take a child, it’s non-stop criticism. If he does have child abuse claims on his record, then the Oath Keeper angle is a non-issue.
Report Post »WestOfThePecos
Posted on October 10, 2010 at 7:36pmAgreed. But why was it stated in the affidavit?
Report Post »whitaker
Posted on October 11, 2010 at 12:55amSo if someone has a child abuse charge on there record then there not allowed to have a baby? Even though they commited no crime aginst that child? That sounds like an indired sterilization.
Report Post »Also what about the mothers rights, she is with someone else but her rights to the child are also removed? It sounds to me like CPS is abusing there athority and predicting crimes that havent happened yet.
cheezwhiz
Posted on October 10, 2010 at 6:36pmThere are ( anchor ) babies born to drug-dealers, drug users , cholos and gang-bangers of every race and NO one from the government takes away those babies .
Report Post »I wonder why ?
thepatriotdave
Posted on October 10, 2010 at 7:16pmBecause those are potential Democrat voters!
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Report Post »S_Malc13
Posted on October 10, 2010 at 8:41pmEveryone needs to pay attention to this post because it’s absolutely true that nothing is done about it. Ther are kids that live in deplorable conditions that the state is aware of and does nothing.
Say what you want about the strange circumstances surrounding the parents but it appears that the state had little to go on here. Snatched at the hospital at birth? Who took the baby? Michael Jackson? Make the state answer. I can’t understand how we can be so powerless.
Report Post »Tony Nagy
Posted on October 10, 2010 at 6:34pmI do not have all the details, but what I can gather from this one article and video, is the state looks like it’s making a huge mistke, unless it can show exactly what the reason/s behind thier action. The mother is suffering without her newborn. Is the mother cited in anyway here?
Report Post »New Hampshire?
scguitar
Posted on October 10, 2010 at 6:33pmIf that were my child, I would grab every gun I own and kill every single government worker that was involved and get my daughter back. I don‘t care if that’s being violent. I would give whatever it took to get my child back. The government is becoming a bully
WestOfThePecos
Posted on October 10, 2010 at 7:30pmOh Great! Then who would take care of the child?
Report Post »WISEPENNY
Posted on October 10, 2010 at 7:59pmYeah, right, nutcase. Next you are going to post your allegience to the Tea Party, I suppose. A perfect way to make it look like they are nuts like you, right? WTF? Would you really get a gun and start killing government workers? Posts like that don’t even need to be made, anywhere! Get back on your medication, will ya please?
Report Post »TruthTalker
Posted on October 10, 2010 at 6:29pmInteresting. I want to know who is lying.
Report Post »walkwithme1966
Posted on October 10, 2010 at 9:04pmThere is entirely more to this than we know at this time so we should jump to any conclusions.
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Report Post »StonyBurk
Posted on October 11, 2010 at 11:30amI agree. Knee jerk response was to lean toward defending Oath Keepers. But there is too much unsaid–
Report Post »Or downplayed and no good reason why. I am generally of the opine that someone who resorts to the
kind of trash talk used by Mr.Irish are either immature or just stupid . And he presents himself as one
who may well be given to domestic violence. Unless he is proven to have wronged -and that published
I fear it will reflect badly on OathKeepers despite his standing.
RealityCheck
Posted on October 10, 2010 at 6:27pmAs a nation we should watch this case closely and clearly receive all facts before jumping to conclusion. I do find it strange why if he was so abusive his other children were not removed before this took place. Also, wouldn’t he be arrested rather than a child taken from a family for dis obeying a court order ? Clearly something is not right or missing here. Will they be taking the children of all domestic violence offenders? There are a lot of them out there.
Report Post »Ccbn213
Posted on October 10, 2010 at 6:50pmThat’s a very good point! It, also, didn’t mention anything about the other children being removed.
Report Post »klstj
Posted on October 10, 2010 at 7:14pmI agree, you all understand there is a mother involved too. She hasn’t been accused of anything. He could have been removed from the home if there were some eminent danger. This baby was sixteen hours into life and needs its mother and she needs her baby. He apparently was not convicted of a crime or would be in jail or violation of parole. You don’t get to come and steel a baby. If a crime had been committed then yes, protective servicses would be needed. What crime did he commit? Watch this close, if he committed abuse, he has to fulfill requirements for that crime. I doubt he committed a crime within the sixteen hours after birth and if he did then put him in jail. You can’t take a child because your concerned something might happen. If that were the case then anyone could have a child removed…who hasn’t gotten into an argument, who decides who’s worthy? Who decides what‘s ok and what’s not…this is why we have laws. Break the law, face the consequences. But, the government does not get to pick and choose or decide if someone might break the law. Innocent until proven guilty. Not, might be guilty if…or could do something wrong.
Report Post »BoilitDown
Posted on October 10, 2010 at 7:38pm@RealityCheck: I’m with you here, only with the qualification of knowing more about the mother’s mental state. I’ve tried to help women who cannot accept that the violence against them is all that bad. This kind of denial prevented the women I knew of being good parents in the long run.
Report Post »Just from what was presented here, I’d say the father should have been arrested for failure to complete the program and the rest of the family counseled.
I‘ve seen other cases where the state grossly overstepped it’s authority to the point of harming the children involved. Too many “do-gooders“ have gotten in the way and all in the name of ”saving the children”. When any official says “It’s for the sake of the children”, the hair stands up on the back of my neck.
Taquoshi
Posted on October 10, 2010 at 8:43pmI‘m wondering what’s going on, also. There are too many inconsistencies here, too many facts missing. I’d be very careful about posting anything for or against this story until a bit more is known. The liberals have no scruples about manipulating the press to make the conservatives look like idiots.
I don’t agree with the CPS removing the newborn, but there’s something screwy here.
Report Post »Cutsnake
Posted on October 10, 2010 at 6:27pmThis is bloody ludicrous…. I live in Australia and I just can’t imagine anything like this in Australia, but then again, that said, I would never have believed in a thousand years that this could happen in “the land of the free”. What on earth is going on? Look, I’ve been in a bad domestic situation with unspeakable violence (thankfully that was a few years back), and if this man is abusive, well the guy is a degenerate bastard….. that said, whether he is or he isn’t, that isn’t anybodies business but his and his wifes. Provided the guy hasn’t hurt the baby, which he obviously hasn’t at this point in time, what the hell is the social services and justice departments doing removing this child from her biological parents? Seriously, this is just another step along the road to people who live in the supposedly free countries of the world, waking up one day in the not too distant future and finding themselves in a place like Nazi Germany in 1940. Whether the guy is tied up with a militia group or not, that doesn‘t equate to whether or not he’s a danger to his child. Or does it? What’s the world coming to? I dread to think what the world is going to be like (or even if there will still be a world) when my 9yr old daughter has children of her own. I simply can‘t imagine what I’d do if my daughter married some guy, had a child, and then had the child taken away from her by the Government just because she had apparently married a guy that had abused her. Yes, I’d be doing my best to get my daughter and grandchild out of the situation if domestic violence was in fact an issue, but would I then have to fight the Government to get her child back for her? Seriously, this is right off.
Report Post »littlebin518 ✟
Posted on October 10, 2010 at 6:37pmI don’t believe you read this article very well. They are not married. She is married to someone else, but he won’t sing divorce papers.
Report Post »Also this father wouldn’t take a domestic violence class as required.
I would rather keep the baby safe until things can be sorted out. It doesn’t take much to kill a new born baby. It happens more often that we know.
SgtB
Posted on October 10, 2010 at 6:45pmSo, how’s that gun control legislation working for you “down under?”
Report Post »NewBee
Posted on October 10, 2010 at 6:58pmThere is really something wrong here with the facts that I know now it would appear that the state has stolen this child. Why would they even site that he belongs or does not belong to the oath takers do we not have the ight of free association?
Report Post »CAROLYN-TEXAS
Posted on October 10, 2010 at 6:59pmmothers produce milk to feed their young. this baby is being abused by denying her of her mother’s milk. there is no way that they should be able to deny a baby of her mothers milk. my heart goes out to this mother as her milk come in to feed her baby. this denial is abusive…………..
Report Post »CAROLYN-TEXAS
Posted on October 10, 2010 at 7:17pmguess i hit a wrong button…MOTHERS PRODUCE MILK TO FEED THEIR CHILDREN. I CAN‘T IMAGINE STEPHANIE’S MILK COMING IN TO FEED HER NEWBORN AND BEING SEPARATED FROM HER. IN MY MIND IT IS ABUSE OF THIS INFANT TO WEIN HER FROM HER MOTHERS MILK. THIS CAN HURT HER FOR THE REST OF HER LIFE. THEY COULD HAVE LOCKED MOTHER AND CHILD IN THE HOSPITAL AND WORKED EVERY THING OUT WHILE THE MOTHER FEEDS HER NEWBORN.
Report Post »Jezreel
Posted on October 10, 2010 at 7:36pmI communicate with my cousin down under and all the criminals have the guns. Also Australia has a lesbian atheist for a prime minister. You have way more problems that the United States.
Report Post »left coast rebel
Posted on October 10, 2010 at 8:23pmwe are now living and a quasi-facist-meets-fabian socialist-plutocracy. My son and I had a fight a year ago (he was 15).. he ran away for a few hours… around curfew. The police picked him up and child services got involved. I admitted i spanked him in the past as punishment and the next thing I know he is taken from me… it took me a year to get him back. The Judge dismissed all charges (it did not go to trial) .. yet Child Services did what ever they wanted. We are not in the land of the free any longer.
Report Post »N37BU6
Posted on October 10, 2010 at 9:50pmLook into Senator Nancy Schaefer who “committed suicide” along with her husband whilst nearing an apparent breakthrough investigating CPS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TcDTJlPWbE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gm6xepsjOSU
Everyone needs to look into CPS. Look at the statistics on abuse and death. Look at the quotas, how they are met, and what tactics are used against families.
Watch that first video, watch the second video, then start Googling.
Report Post »WestOfThePecos
Posted on October 10, 2010 at 6:17pmThe man is not even a member of Oath Keepers. He only inquired as told to me by OK Members here in NM.
Report Post »tierrah
Posted on October 10, 2010 at 6:38pmWhat happened to innocent until proven guilty?
Report Post »vic138
Posted on October 10, 2010 at 6:58pmYou think thats bad. Check out this brand-new story about muslims in france: http://downloads.cbn.com/cbnnewsplayer/cbnplayer.swf?aid=17933
Report Post »cheezwhiz
Posted on October 10, 2010 at 7:08pm@ vic138
Posted on October 10, 2010 at 6:58pm
You think thats bad. Check out this brand-new story about muslims in france: http://downloads.cbn.com/cbnnewsplayer/cbnplayer.swf?aid=17933
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Here is one about muslims in WH
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Report Post »Thirteenth Paladin
Posted on October 10, 2010 at 7:13pmI thought Oath Keepers was current and former members of law enforcement and the military. No mention of either that I saw. So …. what’s up that that crap? Either the government is looney, or Rhodes doesn’t have any membership standards. For some reason, I think I’ll I bet on Rhodes having higher standards than the government.
Report Post »mizflame98
Posted on October 10, 2010 at 7:38pmIf this guy is an abuses, the Oath Keepers angle is nothing but a red herring to garner sympathy. Shame on him and his friends if they’re trying to pull a con.
Report Post »5
Posted on October 10, 2010 at 7:40pmWhat happened to innocent until proven guilty?
That’s only for LIBS!
Report Post »AmericanPatriot01
Posted on October 10, 2010 at 8:42pmit doesnt matter if he is or not. They the gov’t agents have made up thier minds and will execute their agenda. These poor people. No matter what the background is, or who they are associated with, there is no reason on God’s green earth that they should have the right to take the baby.
Somw would say he has a history of abuse, He didn’t take the classes, the people he is associated with are violent, SO WHAT!! None of these are reasons to confiscate a child. If he was that bad he would be in jail or reporting to a probation/parole officer. The mother is not doing anything wrong, right? so they can take her God given rights away? Don‘t trust gov’t people in these situations. It’s just wrong!!!!
Report Post »snowleopard3200
Posted on October 10, 2010 at 8:43pmOnce again we see the Obamafication of America where you are presumed guilty period. After all President Obama has declared the termination of American Citizens without due process or even a trial as the Constitution guarantees.
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Report Post »dazyann010501
Posted on October 10, 2010 at 8:46pmHow do the Oath Keepers in NM know that he is not a member anyways?
Report Post »ironcowboy
Posted on October 10, 2010 at 8:48pmUmmm… in the USA if you have a misdemeanor conviction for domestic violence, a warrant or are under some form of domestic restrain order, YOU CANNOT OBTAIN A HAND GUN… You are flagged in the national instant background check system. How could a man with a “history” of domestic violence obtain a hand gun, especially a may with such history and who is under a court order for various anger management classes in relation to domestic abuse be (clear) in the NCIC system. This situation sounds awfully fishy…
Report Post »Onward2Victory
Posted on October 10, 2010 at 9:06pmHmmm, I suspect the Concord officers that seized the child are not members either…
Report Post »Huckabee Gingrich 12
Posted on October 10, 2010 at 9:18pmWhat happened to “Live Free Or Die”?
Report Post »poverty.sucks
Posted on October 10, 2010 at 9:45pmWhether a member or a supporter of Oath Keepers, the real story is intervention of irresponsible parents abusing their children, themselves, state and social services. The couple has asked the court to intervene in regards to domestic violence and the couple continue to be irresponsible by failing to compete terms of a court order. Therefore the state is justified in protecting the newborn until the couple demonstrates actions of being caring and thoughtful parents.
In my opinion, the most reasonable step is for the mother to leave the abusive partner who will not sign divorce papers and failed to complete court order. Furthermore, he appears to bring to light his desire to be recognized with a radical involvement against the government while taking up arm, the mother should be granted witness protection with all of the children.
Report Post »FreedomOfSpeech
Posted on October 10, 2010 at 9:50pmFathers have no rights in America.
jzs
Posted on October 10, 2010 at 9:56pmWith all due respect, he, both of them, were tried in court and their other children removed from their custody for neglect before this incident. And he was convicted of carrying a concealed weapon without a permit. You can drop the “innocent until proven guilty” crap, both parents were investigaged for almost two years and found lacking the extremely small amount of parental responsibility needed to keep children. He was given a chance to regain custody of his kids by taking a class in domestic abuse but was a no show. So he lost his kid.
Conservatives, don’t shame your by raising the anti-government banner for parents whose children have been taken out of their care because they’re simply incapable of taking of their children. Taking care children is important. This isn’t a gun rights issue, it’s about parents taking care of their kids.
Report Post »KingArthurUp
Posted on October 10, 2010 at 10:02pmit doesn’t matter in the United States if he is an “oath keeper”
lets see these a holes take a muslim child from their parents…. LOL
Report Post »libertyinourday
Posted on October 11, 2010 at 12:09amI know this man, he does not deserve to have his child taken! Good person.
Report Post »RealityCheck
Posted on October 11, 2010 at 12:50am@ Poverty.Sucks
“In my opinion, the most reasonable step is for the mother to leave the abusive partner who will not sign divorce papers and failed to complete court order. ”
Did you read the article? if so you failed to comprehend.
1. Irish is not her husband.
Report Post »2. Her husband by law is not the one accused of child abuse, Irish is.
3. Failure to complete a court order usually lands you in jail.
4. I’d reserve opinions until this swiss cheese of an issue has been presented with all facts.
spikebu
Posted on October 11, 2010 at 1:21amSaw the Mom breaking down. Dad was right next to her. Saw no support from him. Not healthy. Just stuck on the first few mins of the interview. Can’t imagine my own husband ignoring me and our newborn child for an interview. Wouldn’t happen.
Report Post »Kilkman
Posted on October 11, 2010 at 2:01amMy Sister, 15 at the time, was found half naked, stoned out of her mind sleeping in a stolen car after sneaking out in the middle of the night to go party with a 25 year old man my parents had a restraining order against. She told the cops,”Don’t tell my dad, he’ll kill me.” And was placed into CPS. Later, after calling the police to report my sister as a run away, my Father was instructed to come in to the police station and file a report in person. Shortly after arriving at the police station, He was arrested, and detained. While he was stuck there, CPS showed up at our house with two people from the sheriffs dept. They searched our house, without a warrant, and questioned every one of us, My mother, and my other brothers about My Dads abusive behavior. Not knowing what the hell was happening, My mother got angry and told them to get the hell out of the house. At which point they arrested her for interfering in official acts and assaulting a police officer. Then went about carting my little brothers off into CPS workers cars. I was 16, and told them I wasn’t going any where. They left me there. Later that night, My father returned Home after being released, still uncharged with anything. And I told him what had happened while he was gone and He filled me in on my sister. We stayed up all night trying to figure things out until my mother called, released on pretrial release, and we went down to pick her up. On the way home we stopped by the bank to get some gas money, only to discover that the account had been emptied, via ATM withdrawal the night my sister ran away. It was only $380, but that was all we had.
Long story Short, My Sister Stole my dads ATM card, went out partying, And was busted the next morning. She Made up horrible stories of abuse to justify her actions, resulting in everything that followed. It took My father 10 years to regain custody of my siblings while CPS lied and continued fabricating more allegations to justify their actions. This all happened in 1986 in Iowa. I can only imagine how bad it is now.
Report Post »Post-Progressive American
Posted on October 11, 2010 at 4:35am@Kilkman, sorry for you experience but (unfortunately) you are not alone; I saw similar events happen with friends, and even when the accuser admitted the charges were unfounded (turns out she disapproved of inter-racial marriage), the legal battles continued and the family was destroyed, financially and emotionally; ironically, the children were actually abused in foster care, which made matters even worse..
The Government has taken the position that all such allegations are true, to protect the child, and that it is up to the parents to prove their innocence…which is difficult to do given the (often) subjective nature of the charges.
Admittedly, I do not know all the details on this specific case, so I will withhold comment until all the facts are out.
Report Post »Thirteenth Paladin
Posted on October 11, 2010 at 8:50am@ JZS – very reasonable response, the best one on this post. As to the weapons issue and quick check issues, there’s nothing in this story that says that he bought these somewhere that a QC is required. Here in Virginia, all I need is a gunshow and a private seller. Law enforcement isn’t the problem in this story, CPS is. CPS everywhere is full of bleeding hearts that have more power to act based on allegations and inuendo that is reasonably constitutional.
Report Post »ejbreen
Posted on October 11, 2010 at 11:19amWhat i’m very confused about is that child in nebraska the other day- remember where the ;mother and boyfriend ducked tape him to the wall…. that case had pictures and evidence of child abuse and the parents drug use… and CPS returned the child to the mother- with no rehab etc. And they take away this newborn because of possible past incidences? Why not take away the children that were already living there? Why wait and just take away the newborn? Something is difinatly not right.
Report Post »heytrud
Posted on October 11, 2010 at 1:48pmMeet one of the WORST offenders of justice WHO TOOK PART in the seizure of this newborn girl named Cheyenne: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=124906766
Report Post »Mark Potok is a devout communists; The Southern Poverty Law Center now a tentacle of the Department of Homeland Security along with many Muslim groups in charge of our republic & freedoms. We, as Americans are being rounded up, investigated and our children will be taken away from new reporting methids from liberal union teachers. If you talk about the Constitution in your home with your child, Liberal Unionized teachers will call up CPS & SPLC and inform them both of your conversations at home. Do you all remember that Holder, Obama and Janet Napie issued a report on New American terrorism? They are targeting The Tea Party, Constitutionalists, Conservatives & Christians all who ‘disagree’ with the current Democratic Federal government. Johnny raises his hand in class one day and states; “Mommy & Daddy talk about the Constitution” all the time. Liberal Unionized teacher jots this down, calls CPS and a report is made. CPS makes a home visit and you are now required to talk about your conversations with little Johnny. If you belong to oathkeepers and own a gun you are in REAL big trouble because SPLC says YOU ARE A THREAT! You are now America’s NEWEST threat! Not Jihadists, not Muslims, YOU ARE! The mother, Stephanie has filed for divorce, the Ex won’t sign the divorce papers. He is stuck on stuck. Stephanie gets pregnant by Jonathan Irish and soon-to-be EX is more outraged that she still have custody of their 2 boys, he is after all required to pay child support. So the EX starts making big time unfounded allegations of abuse done by Stephanie & Jonathan because his feelings & ego are STILL hurt. EX is stuck on stuck and won’t let Stephanie & Johnathan begin life as a married couple with newborn. Now steps in CPS who got a call from her EX who also gets a nice one-time 4K bonus for picking up baby who is blue-eyed blond from the FEDERAL GOVT! Every child in a state taken into custody by CPS gets a4K bonus! Each state has it’s own unlimited budget within CPS. How many Black & Hispanic babies are available for adoption? LOTS & LOTS! CPS doesn’t want anymore of those kids, let the crack mothers have them. The state gets money from the federal govt for FREE HC, Welfare & food stamps, phones, etc for every black & Hispanic baby. But in this case a WHITE, blond, blue-eyed baby can be sold to the highest bidder. As very rich white people are sitting in lawyers offices ready & willing to pay over 100K for that white baby. CPS has a list of RICH potential adopting parents and then gives the baby up to the highest bidder or lawyer inside CPS. These parents are not perfect. Are you, as a parent…perfect? Really? Jonathan did not take the required classes based upon allegations from the EX, but the icing on the cake to justify taking away the newborn was OATHKEEPERS. Adding on OATHKEEPERS strengthens CPS case, nothing more. The parents, both Johnathan & Stephanie of newborn Cheyenne doesn’t have any money! LEGAL fees are going to runs in the thousands to get the NEWBORN baby back. Your looking at 50K minimum and try finding a lawyer without a retainer of at least 10K to just begin proceedings! It is set up this way purposely to stop everyone from chatting on line by SPLC, classrooms, and aimed at this election, November 2010 is your last chance to stop the liberals. Mark Potok is a devout liberal communists and has stated so, just goggle this nut who went to UOC with old Hillary, Obama who should be getting her coffee these days, Sustein, Jones and Ayers all hippie’s who attend the UOC who you would walk away while they shared & puffed on a dubie. What CPS should have done; (but SPLC’S running with this cause) is tell the biological father Jonathan he needs to move out of the apartment until he goes to those classes if he wants to live with the newborn. CPS should have warned the father & mother BEFORE the birth to attend the classes, but did not! So the parents aren’t the smartest on earth, what parent is? They did nothing seriously wrong to have seized the newborn, under the direction of SPLC who is spending OUR TAX dollars this morning in meetings to discredit oathkeepers, Christians, Constitutionalists, and the Tea Party. I spent 4 days & all weekend researching every piece on the net. I’ve seen Mr. Potok on TV bashing oathkeepers many times. He’s a big time kook and now part of Home Land Security along with many Muslims groups who Obama installed in American government. Muslims are being forced down our throats in government agencies for the NWO. They warned us they were coming..yes they did.. after; Constitutionalists, conservatives, Christians and the Tea Party and they picked on a young couple with NO MONEY to defend themselves. Had they lived in Washington, been black or hispanic nothing would have happened. Crack mothers leave with their babies everyday from hospitals to collect welfare checks, we know this to be fact. HIV babies leave with their mothers too. SPLC is a non-American organization who peddles ULTRA-liberal crap for minority rights, nothing more, until they took this white newborn away from a young mother because she is WHITE, CHRISTIAN, CONSTITUTIONALISTS, & CONSERVATIVE! This is just a warning SHOT to all other poor white American conservatives. This is just a warning shot from the Southern Poverty Law Center and Home Land Security. Watch this play out this week and you’ll think twice before you talk CONSTITUTION with your children. Be wide awake folks..they are out for your white kids, especially if they are Conservative and Christian.
Lone-Wolf
Posted on October 12, 2010 at 1:02amThis story should be taken down, the man who broke this story is the same one from that “911 Truth/ Conspiracy” website that Stu and Pat was talking about today. Of course Glenn and his sidekicks know this, they’ve only been ripping off ale x j ones for the past three years and are trying to put a Republicanoid spin on these issues so you can be fooled again, by supporting Palin.
Report Post »Wdawg
Posted on October 13, 2010 at 9:23pmI just found a radio interview given by Johnathan Irish’s dad…. This guy does not need to have kids around him:
Go here, and click on October 12th:
Report Post »http://www.gcnlive.com/programs/callToDecision/archives.php