Did Tea Partiers Cheer Man’s Death During Debate?
- Posted on September 13, 2011 at 7:38am by
Jonathon M. Seidl
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“Yeah!”
That‘s the word from Monday night’s GOP debate garnering plenty of attention in the blogosphere. It was screamed out by at least one audience member after moderator Wolf Blitzer asked Ron Paul if he would rather see a fictitious patient without health insurance die instead of give him free care.
Here’s the video of the much-talked-about exchange:
Now, there’s no way to know (at this point) who the audience member or members responsible for the comment are. Were they conservatives really cheering the hypothetical death of someone? Was it a delayed reaction to Paul’s immediate response? Or, were they liberals cheering Blitzer’s question?
Either way, many are interpreting it as the first option. Business Insider says the outburst is another example of a debate audience cheering death, since attendees did something similar during last week’s debate. HuffPo notes that Paul’s response to the question was actually quite good, but “that it was clearly overshadowed by the members of the crowd who enthusiastically cheered the prospect of letting a man die rather than picking up the tab for his coverage.” And finally, Talking Points Memo made sure to note that Monday’s outburst emanated from a “tea party-filled audience.”
Mediaite’s Tommy Christopher notes that the audience (which he characterizes as having a CNN half and a Tea Party half) also cheered when Blitzer asked if Bernanke should be tried for treason — a question that also had a tinge of death.
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Comments (375)
Danola
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 8:28amObama and his socialist regime has openly said to let people die because of the high cost of healthcare and the so called media was silent. This is a bogus accusation. Even for Ron Paul.
Report Post »Insuranceman
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 8:33amDo you know what socialism is? Why don’t you argue your case instead of labeling.
NOTAMUSHROOM
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 8:46am@Insuranceman
Report Post »Seriously? Really? What part of Socialist have you missed about your messiah? Personally, I would have used “Marxist” or “Communist” as the modifier.
ashestoashes
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 9:03amSocialism doesn’t work. Watch Youtube on the Children of Chernobyl. Kids born with heart defects had to rely on American doctors to help them because their doctors had been socialized…no money.. and apparently no training.Obamacare is not healthcare at all. It is a grab for everyone’s possessions, bank accounts, and taxing us to death. It places “everything” in the hands of the government. Healthcare becomes a joke..they don’t care about peoples lives. We should be pulling our tax dollar funding for illegals to the tune of 338.3 billion a year and putting it back in the till to start taking care of the people of America again. We should be having compassion for our own people and send illegal immigrants and enemies in our government packing.
Report Post »Snafu777
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 9:11amOf course Obama is pro-socialist. His radical, violently anti-capitalist buddies (Ayers, Piven, etc.) have been decrying our lack of socialist policy since the sixties. Anyone who defends Obama as being anything other than a socialist(at the very least) is just ignoring blatant fact.
Report Post »qpwillie
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 9:17amInsuranceman,
Report Post »So many times I have seen leftists come back with “Do you know what socialism is?”, “Do you know what communism is?”, etc. It’s like some sort of a mantra. I don’t think you even mean it as a question. It’s just a line that you have been programmed to blurt out. I call the phenomenon “Leftists Tourette’s”.
thankfulness
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 9:27amI am not so sure that President Obama is a Socialist. Time will tell exacatly what his ideology is, that is if he really has any. He spans various ideology but not a pure direction of one type over another. He beats to his own drum. He has a mix of influences.
Report Post »MichiganPatriot
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 9:30amWhy even for Ron Paul? He is the most Constitutional candidate in the debates and even tho he has won most of the polls the media doesn’t even validate he is even in the race. If you listen to what each of theses candidates have to say I only see Paul speaking truths, maybe Bachmann the rest are just puppets for whichever master they serve. Americans are addicted to these puppets, we need a true american patriot to run our nation again and Ron Paul is the closest you will ever see. You can go ahead and vote for the popular guy but that is not going to fix our nation. The main reason I follow Ron Paul is his Foreign policy is not to have one. This is inline with our founding fathers wishes, our founding fathers did not want us sticking our nose into other countries business because they knew it led to war. They knew that it is not our place to tell other countries and cultures how to live and that if we was true to ourselves the other countries would eventually want the same thing after they seen how properous we are. Somewhere that ideology got lost and we decided we knew better than anyone else. I hate to say it but that type of thinking will destroy our nation. When they come to American soil and try to cause trouble then we protect ourselves end of story. This corrupt government that no longer represents its people has to be removed or we will be another Rome mark my words people!
Report Post »John 3:16
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 9:32amMost likely a liberal/socialist plant in the crowd. Conservatives are so much more compassionate than your average liberal. If I needed compassion from a group of people I would never walk to the liberal/socialists group, I would always look to the conservatives for that trait.
Report Post »jakartaman
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 9:32amRose-Ellen
Report Post »I bet you are as ugly on the outside as you are on the inside.
Keep taking that tea spoon of poison every morning with your hate.
bigpew
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 9:39amInsuranceman, The case was stated. The media covers for Obama. As I see it the cheers and “shout-outs” were more toward the concept of personal responsibility. If you would move out of your mothers basement and experience the real world you might get this idea. But I understand it is a scary world out there.
Report Post »ChildOfTheKing
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 9:47amashestoashes:
I could not have said it any better myself. I really have a big problem with Uncle Sam overseeing every aspect of my life. With every freedom and liberty you give up, makes you more of a slave to whomever you give it up to, this includes government, loans you get from the bank and anything else YOU PROVIDE COLLATERAL TO FOR SOMETHING YOU WANT.
The very people who complain about Ron Paul and people like him, are those who have the mentality that “I won’t live that long so I might as well get what I can” OR, “I deserve what everyone else has, even if it includes taking it away from them.” This IS the current DEMOCRAT mentality, which was derived from MARXISM.
Americans should rise up and fight this with every single politician who is looking to secure his/her govt. job. Obama should be impeached. Congress should be fired. Is there no one out there who can step up to the plate and get this thing moving? ARE THERE ANY HEROES LEFT?
I saw the error of my ways because of Glenn Beck. I had that same mentality until I became honest with myself, which is something not a lot of people WILL DO because each of us wants to be right all the time, perfect, and undisturbed by change. The majority of Democrats are skewed in their charitable thinking. Most of them believe they can LOVE THEIR WAY TO HEAVEN, when WITHOUT THE SAVIOR, it is impossible. And, WITH THE SAVIOR, their eyes will be opened to the truth. Most Dems don’t live by the truth.
Report Post »ChildOfTheKing
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 9:55amMichiganPatriot:
Personally, I do NOT care what the media thinks. I WILL VOTE FOR RON PAUL ANYWAYS, but it will be the Republican party who will nominate. THIS SUCKS FOR ME as I feel like my opinion does not count. I wish Republican voters could VOTE FOR A NOMINEE and NOT the Republican party leaders. It sickens me that the American people have lost most of their rights, according to the Constitution, after all these years – bit by bit.
Doesn’t this bother anyone that WE, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, have allowed POLITICIANS TO CHOOSE FOR US? I love the Tea Party. They are attempting to even the playing field, even though it means we can have no Tea Party candidate on the ballot, I hope someday we will, but I wonder if that would get polluted too.
The ONLY way out of the mess America is in, I believe, is by standing together as AMERICANS, you and I, and support 1 candidate (me personally is RON PAUL). Can the Tea Party contact every Republic and Independent in all the precincts and hold their own vote somehow?
Once again, DO NOT ALLOW THE MEDIA TO TELL YOU HOW TO VOTE. Stand for who you want and not what THEY want. Be your own person and DO THE RIGHT THING not what is politically correct or expedient.
WE MUST ALL STAND TOGETHER FOR SOMEONE WHO TREASURES AND LOVES OUR CONSTITUTION and no one does that better than Ron Paul. It certainly isn’t Perry or Romney AT ALL. Those 2 still want control over us. DO NOT CHOOSE PERRY OR ROMNEY. YOU WILL BE SORRY, I GUARA
Report Post »Perspective
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 9:55amsocialism (ˈsəʊʃəˌlɪzəm) [Click for IPA pronunciation guide]
— n
1. Compare capitalism an economic theory or system in which the means of production, distribution, and exchange are owned by the community collectively, usually through the state. It is characterized by production for use rather than profit, by equality of individual wealth, by the absence of competitive economic activity, and, usually, by government determination of investment, prices, and production levels
2. any of various social or political theories or movements in which the common welfare is to be achieved through the establishment of a socialist economic system
3. (in Leninist theory) a transitional stage after the proletarian revolution in the development of a society from capitalism to communism: characterized by the distribution of income according to work rather than need
How’s that insuranceman? Why don’t you make your argument instead of relying on the mantra of the left?
Report Post »VRW Conspirator
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 9:56am@Insuranceman
Socialist – a form of government that calls for the national government to assume control of the resources, production of goods, and economic forces of the nation. An economic system that believe a collective good outweighs an individual good or right to exist, thus redistributing wealth and fruits of labor based on “value” of position in society instead of hard work and sweat of the brow of the individual. A philosophy that seeks to eliminate the risk of failure yet in doing so crushed the will to succeed, achieve, and excel.
An EVIL spread unto the world that defied God and stands diametrically opposed to the “Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness” guaranteed to every Man on Earth, endowed by his Creator with certain inalienable rights.
Report Post »AZindependent
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 9:57amWhy was a “Tea Party” debate hosted and moderated by CNN in the first place? These people are almost as anti-Tea Party as MSNBC. This debate should have been hosted by FOX and moderated by Judge Napalitano. The MSM wants to paint Ron Paul as a nut job with “crazy” ideas. They have worked for years to get Americans to forget what the Country was founded on, and Ron Paul is trying to wake up the old freedom loving American inside all of us. We have been so brainwashed that freedom and individual responsibility seem like crazy ideas.
Report Post »Pujols
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 10:03amNo they were not cheering death. They were cheering for personal responsibility You Morons!
Report Post »encinom
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 10:20amIt is become more clear that the Tea Party and nothing more than unamerican, uncaring and nothing like the dead jewish carpenter and his values they claim to believe in. They worship at the alter of Ayn Rand and her religion of greed and selfishness.
godhead
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 10:38amAmazing how quickly Tea Party patriots throw Jesus under the bus where money is concerned.
Report Post »jzs
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 10:42amEvery single poster dodged the issue. Every one. Of course the TP were cheering the death of the guy. The TP slogan is “every man for himself.”
Don‘t forget that it was Reagan who mandated that hospitals could not turn away people simply because they couldn’t pay. Was Reagan a socialist? Do you not realize that every other industrialized country in the world has some form of healthcare that allows those countries to “take care of their own?”
But, I take the TP wants a country where if you don’t have money, you just die.
Report Post »jb.kibs
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 10:48amGlenn is being shameless against Ron Paul.
Report Post »SHAMELESS. that’s pathetic Glenn. He is on the radio asking the dumbest questions, if he wants all drugs legal, can you now drive drunk? how stupid are you? guns are legal.. can you go around killing people? knives are legal, can you go around stabbing people.. seriously Glenn, you best watch out. you are treding into “Drunk with power” territory.
jb.kibs
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 10:50ammy brother has had no health care his whole life, yet goes to the hospital constantly… has never paid a hospital bill and can still rent houses… that is what Ron Paul was saying. he was confused about the question because noone is refused care ever, that is an oath that doctors take.
Report Post »jb.kibs
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 10:52amJZS that is the basics… yes. technically if you don’t want to try, you are going to die… you see problems with that? i don’t get it…
IF someone decides to help you, family, friends, church, etc… then so be it… it‘s not the responsibility of everyone in the nation to pay the way for people who don’t try themselves… all that does is create lazy people…
who will work if you don’t have to? answer that.
Report Post »Jacque
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 11:05amIn Britain they just let a newborn baby die, because it was born two days earlier than their rules allowed, in Canada people have died out side their ER because they had no resourses to help them. In America illegals come here and get FREE liver transplants taxpayors pay for and then go home.
It was a stupid question set up by the marxists libterds. It is like they took it from the Book of Questions, “ Would you let a child die to save all the blue whales”, stupid. Anyone making a good living at 30 , knows they will be 50 and their insurance will only be more expensive then. Another example that being liberal is a mental disorder.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 11:07amThis was a reaction of ANTI-OBAMACARE sentiment held by TEA Party members .. we want people to have FREEDOM to choose their own care NOT the government.
TEA!
Report Post »jzs
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 11:16amKIbs, you’re making a classic error. You assume that if don’t have money, you’re not trying. If you don’t have a job or insurance, that’s your fault. Yeah, everybody has an apocryphal story about somebody “working the system” and you assume everybody else is exactly like that. What about all those people that get dropped by their insurance company when they get a serious condition. Are they not trying? Do you applaud the insurance companies for dropping them to improve their profits?
You’re assumption seems to be that everyone without a job or without insurance is “not trying.” You should rethink that idea because it’s ill-founded. Most people want a job and will work if they can find one, that’s another opinion.
Report Post »hud
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 11:26amDrudge has an article 1 in 6 on assistance, do you think little o can up that to 1 in 3 by the end of his term
Report Post »MichiganPatriot
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 11:28amObama is a Socialist / Marxist! Read the book he wrote its all the proof you need. Also the Book by Dinesh D’Souza “The Root‘s of Obama’s Rage”, this was a real eye opener for me and gave me a great perspective of how Obama thinks. The author is from India and has avery interesting mind. You will see how he changes his colors(personality/ethics) to fit into the crowd that suits his needs at the time. You will see how he was raised by Communist Marxist and Anti-colonialist. You will see how he looked up to these people and made the choices he did because of his upbringing. Do not be fooled by his smile or his promises, a leapord cannot change his spots only his position before he attacks. I urge you all to read these two books then form your judgements based on fact and words from his own mouth. Assumption will only help you make bad decisions and spout off non truths. Is not that the end goal to know the truth so we can live our lives with a firm grasp on reality and not some fairytail pounded into our heads by political ideologs that have their own agenda in mind. Think for yourself people, that is after all your God given right.
Report Post »capitalismrocks
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 11:33amSocialism is Communism — without the barbed wire fences and machine gun encampments keeping people in…
Report Post »cromag11b
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 11:49amPerspective
Report Post »Last time I checked McDonalds, Walmart, Stanley, etc, etc were not owned and operated by the state.
TSUNAMI-22
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 12:18pm@ encinom
“It is become more clear that the Tea Party and nothing more than unamerican, uncaring and nothing like the dead jewish carpenter…..”
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I noticed you didn’t say dead Jewish welfare recipient. God gives us free will, and Jesus obviously chose to work and give from himself voluntarily.
RavenGlenn
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 12:26pm@JZS
No, you are wrong. That wasn’t the question. The question wasn‘t about what if he doesn’t have the money, it was what if he CHOOSES not to pay for insurance.
“He has a good job, makes good money but decides he’s not going to spend 200-300 dollars on health insurance because he‘s healthy and doesn’t need it.”
In that case? Screw him. Let him die. That’s his own dumb fault. If someone overdoses on Heroin? Screw them. If they drive drunk and wreck? Tough. Those are all CHOICES. I CHOOSE not to do drugs because I am responsible. I CHOOSE not to drive drunk(or hell drink at all) because I am responsible.
But the whole question is loaded anyways. You can go to a hospital without a dime in your pocket and short of needing an organ transplant, you can get your care for free. Hospitals CANNOT turn you away, and I‘m really sick of the liberals making this an argument when there isn’t one to be had. Don’t have insurance? Go to the hospital anyway. They have you covered.
So Ron Paul is absolutely right. The man made his choice(a stupid one) and even still, he will get medical care for free. And this isn‘t a talking point I’m repeating. I’ve gotten free care. My ex-wife has gotten free care. My best friend has gotten free care. Why? Because we were all fresh out of high school and couldn’t afford healthcare while we were trying to make our ways through college.
Why not hammer on college as something that is too damned expensiv
Report Post »abbygirl1994
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 12:30pmashestoashes… Yeah, look at the American doctors who help all other countries freely but do not the same for its own people.. how many go without any care in this country because they cannot afford insurance or the over ballooned doctor bill. Why can’t doctors do the same here for the poor..you may think that all of the poor are taken care of here.. I got news for you there are those who are in between poor and middle class that get told you make to much money which could very well be 10 dollars.. Now I do not agree with Obamacare I do not agree with socialized medicine.. but my question is this.. why can these doctors use there own money.. go to some foreign country and help.. but to their own they turn away???
Report Post »MONICNE
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 12:31pmAny one of us can become a millionaire Job Creator, and more!
It’s just that the Gummint is in our way.
TEA
Therightsofbilly
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 12:51pm@JZS
No, not every poster dodged the issue. You are painting with that broad brush again. Please go back and look again at all the posts that preceded yours.
But even if a TEA PARTY person did as you believe, and you are able to determine from that action, that all TEA PARTY people share that view, then I guess I can make the determination that all lefties share the same views as krugman.
But wait, did you not say that krugman had lost his mind?
How does this double standard thing of yours work? I would like to add that to my repertoire. It would make things so much easier.
And since you are back on the health care topic, I don’t believe you ever responded to the NBC clip I gave you (multiple times), that showed how the VA is failing to properly care for our wounded servicemen.
This was after you pointed out to me that the VA is socialized medicine, and that everyone likes it just fine.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 12:54pm@RAVENGLENN
Excellent take Ravenglenn !
Report Post »smithclar3nc3
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 1:08pmHey JZS,
Report Post »The Tea Party isn’t every man for himself. The the Tea Party is BE A MAN handle your business and don’t heep on society. You have to be a man (not a child of mother government)before you can be for yourself. Something your ilk will never accomplish. And since you want to gloss over it. The question was if a young man 28-30 years old COULD AFFORD HEALTHCARE but didn’t purchase it, should the government pay for his medical care if something happened. And the answer is undenially NO let him hi-def plasma T/V or 200 a month cell phone plan take care of him.
And Reagan didn’t require doctors to do crap EVERY DOCTOR TAKES ANOATH to take of the patients reguardless of payment. It’s called a Hippocratic oath
Servant Of YHVH
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 1:39pm@Danola
You’re right because Ron Paul hit the nail right on the head on that one.
Report Post »Anarcho Capitalist
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 2:05pmIf you judge a tree by its fruit then Obama is actually a corporatist, not a socialist or communist. Not that I would ever defend obama but if we are going to be using these words then its best we actually know the definitions.
Report Post »Canyonman5555
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 2:39pmSOCIALISM: You have two cows. You give one to your neighbor under gunpoint as the government deems he is entitled to your cow. The cow you gave to your neighbor dies of neglect sinceyour neighbor had no vested interest in cow. The neighbor complains to the government, you delivered a defective cow. The government agrees and forces you to upkeep the cow but share all benefits of the cow.
CAPITALISM: You have two cows. You sell one and buy a bull. Your herd multiplies, and the economy grows. You sell them and retire on the income.
REPUBLICAN You have two cows. Your neighbor has none. So what ? You worked for yours, he can work for his. If you want to share, it is your choice.
DEMOCRAT(current) : You have two cows. Your neighbor has none. You feel guilty for being successful. Barbara Streisand sings for you. You keep your 2 cows but you demand an entitlement for your neighbor. You are part of the liberal, progressive, elitist crowd and smarter than anyone else passing laws affecting everyone but exempting yourself through loopholes.
Pure Marxism: No one has two cows because no one should own cows. All things were to be held
Report Post »in common. (”From each according to his abilities; to each according to his need.”). You
share two cows with your neighbors. You and your neighbors bicker about who has the most “ability” and who has the most “need”. Meanwhile, no one works, no one gets any milk, and the cows drop dead of starvation.
Clive
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 3:01pmyes, i’m sure jesus would say “let him die”, that was his message.
we’ve all heard that famous bible story where jesus approaches a poor dying leper, and instead of healing him, he kicks dirt in his face and says “wheres your sense of personal responsibility”.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 3:21pmHey Clive,
On your list, which number is the rule that says…………
And don’t forget, you can always play the JESUS card.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 4:23pmTSUNAMI-22
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 12:18pm
@ encinom
“It is become more clear that the Tea Party and nothing more than unamerican, uncaring and nothing like the dead jewish carpenter…..”
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I noticed you didn’t say dead Jewish welfare recipient. God gives us free will, and Jesus obviously chose to work and give from himself voluntarily.
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I mean the Carpenter was more than likely a socialist, he heal the lepers without asking for demanding to see if the lepers could pay for the medical help or if they were legal immergrants or not.
Steve
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 5:13pmHow does one gauge a tea party filled crowd. Are there little hats that they wear or do their heads expand when Progressive talking points are made.
The rules for radical author Saul Alinsky wrote that one of the many ways to destroy the enemy (those who believe in the framers and rally against socialism and communism) is by infiltrating them and wreck their message.
Report Post »(adlib but you get the point)
TSUNAMI-22
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 8:00pm@ ENCINOM
I mean the Carpenter was more than likely a socialist, he heal the lepers without asking for demanding to see if the lepers could pay for the medical help or if they were legal immergrants or not.
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Socialism doesn’t help anyone by healing anyone. What socialism does is to impose on everyone who is well, a feeling of equal misery. Winston Churchill explained the detriments of socialism once very well, and this is why (I think) that Obama removed the bust of Churchill and sent it back to England. Sculptures have a way of following you around with their eyes. Obama knows exactly what he’s doing, and it isn’t good for the USA.
TotallyBelievableGuy
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 10:21pm1. Obama has emphatically stated he is a capitalist
Report Post »2. Our healthcare system lets far more people die, not because of Obama being president, but because it is privatized and wants to make money rather than caring for patients.
Uriel
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 10:29pmCAPITALISMROCKS,
Well said, sir! Absolutely correct.
I’ve begun to hate the word “socialism”.
I also hate the term “Marxism” as it makes a distinction among kinds of communists. Today, it functions (like socialism) as a euphemism for communism for those not courageous (or knowledgeable) enough to call a spade a spade.
Communism is abject totalitarianism. Pure tyranny. Single-master slavery. I personally do not care whether a communist wishes to achive communism slowly through socialism (Marxism) or through immediate communist revolution and war (Leninism, Maoism).
Actually, maybe I DO care. In the words of Han Solo: “I’d prefer a straight fight to all this sneaking around!”
Report Post »Middle Finger
Posted on September 14, 2011 at 12:17amKrugman has said that death panels are a good thing. So media, have a cup of STFU!
Report Post »Jaycen
Posted on September 14, 2011 at 2:14amInsuranceman, do YOU know what socialism is? It‘s the ideology that’s murdered more people in the last century than all wars combined.
Report Post »Southern Christian
Posted on September 14, 2011 at 3:35pmObama‘s socialist Affordable Care Act is not a health care law it’s an insurance law requiring all to have insurance. It does nothing to control the cost or quality of health care. It will result in rationing as it does in England and government operatives who will decide who gets care and who doesn’t. The so-called death panel.
Socialism results when the government takes control of the productive assets and production of the country. How can anyone not think that is exactly what BO wants to do.
Report Post »I support God's Israel!
Posted on September 14, 2011 at 7:56pmFIND OUT WHO CONTRIBUTES TO THE ROMNEY CAMPAIGN (very interesting)
Men Linked to Corporate Donations to Pro-Romney Super PAC Have Long History of Donating to Romney:
1. W. Spann LLC (Edward W. Conard, managing director at Bain Capital, a company Romney had helped create)
2. Eli Publishing (ACTUALLY Nu Skin) – INVESTIGATIONS SHOW THE ADDRESS GIVEN IS NOT WHO THEY SAY THEY ARE.
3. F8 LLC (lawyer named Jeremy Blickenstaff, who also has ties to Nu Skin and is Lund’s son-in-law.)- INVESTIGATIONS SHOW THE ADDRESS GIVEN IS NOT WHO THEY SAY THEY ARE.
Now maybe Romney knew of this, maybe he didn’t, but if the buck stop here with him, then he should take responsibility for this.
DO NOT VOTE FOR ROMNEY. YOU WILL BE SORRY, AS YOU WILL IF YOU VOTE FOR THE MODERATE REPUBLICAN, RICK PERRY. I would vote for West, Bachmann, or anyone else before I would vote for those TWO CLOWNS. Both are wolves in sheep’s clothing, EXACTLY what the Dems did with Obama – THEY HIDE THE TRUTH at any cost.
Reference:
Report Post »http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2011/09/money-men-pro-romney-super-pac.html
I support God's Israel!
Posted on September 14, 2011 at 7:57pmabbygirl1994:
Report Post »You are a very sad person if you don’t understand WHY they help the people in 3rd-world countries as opposed to America…..very sad you are.
Gonzo
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 8:25amToo bad the press is focused on somebody in the audience instead of Paul, he’s right as rain on this one.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 8:30amNot to poo-poo Siedl’s accusations, but the event was hosted by the FL Tea Party. The likelihood of it being a liberal who yelled “YEAH!” in order to disrupt Ron Paul is extraordinarily small.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 8:36amEdit: This was supposed to be a stand-alone comment, not a response to Gonzo
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 8:38amDid I say anything about it being a liberal? What are you babbling about?
Report Post »rose-ellen
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 8:39amThe barbarians at the gate- you can’t pay-you die! [actually worse then barbarism-inhuman.]Greedy brainwashed toxic mix of pull- yourselves- up -by- your- bootstraps american puritinsm,ayn rand selfish libertarianism and laissez faire hypercapitalism gone amok.Throw in mass murdering militarism and the 21stst c religion of Americanism doesn’t get more ugly then that .
Gonzo
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 8:41amrose-ellen
Report Post »You support muslim terrorism and call us barbarians? You’re nucking futs.
Locked
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 8:45am@Gonzo
Read above. I started to type an agreement to you, then changed my mind and made a general comment; for some reason The Blaze thought it was still a response to you.
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 8:52amGeez, Rose-Ellen is off her meds again…
Report Post »jujubeebee
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 8:57amOne person in the audience does not matter. It is prejudice to label a group over one person. And no one really knows that one person’s reasons for the comment either. Who cares really? If you do then you are an idiot just the audience tht Huffpo wants to target.
Report Post »Ron Paul’s answer was excellent! The question was about government’s role is providing healthcare and he answered it superbly!
Healthcare should be a personal responsibility and not a government responsibility and the person not buying insurance is gambling. Let them go to their resources or charity. The liberals seem to want to get rid of God and the church and personal responsibility to be charitable they need to guilt people into believing it is government’s job to be charitable.
And by the way….what about the role of Catholic Charities in adoption and the government forcing them to adopt to gay couples even though it goes against their religion? So now the government will be taking over all adoption I guess because of why?
jujubeebee
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 8:59amlocked: who cares about the outburst? Are you going to be so prejudiced to apply the outburst to a group of people? Who cares? No one knows who said it or why and does it matter? There should be a new word to describe this as the therm “racist” has been overdone!
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 8:59amI sent mine before yours appeared Locked, sorry.
Report Post »MHP
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 9:20amRose-Ellen
You been sniffing fresh cow turds again.
Report Post »No wonder you are so high on meth.
John 3:16
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 9:41amCompassion???? Which party supports killing/murdering innocent life in the womb??? Tea Party people rest their case.The socialists are Planned Parenthood who kill any baby with scissors to the base of the skull because the baby is too big to just vacuum out of the womb. Liberals have no absolutely,possitively no room to even mention compassion PERIOD!!!
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 9:46amSoon as I heard the responce from a “FEW” mis-guided hard hearted people I knew that the news media would focus on that few seconds and label the whole for it. No surprise!
Rose Ellen I pray for you, and for those that pile hate on top of yours.
Report Post »John 3:16
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 9:46amRose-Ellen is most likely a nazi nurse or doctor performing abortions as community service at her local abortion and creamatorium clinic AKA: Planned parenthood.
Report Post »schmite123oh
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 9:50amlove Ron Paul, the media is dumb, this man had an awesome answer for this question!!!! which romney, perry , or bachman would totally have f’d up I might add.
Report Post »NOTAMUSHROOM
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 9:50am@Locked
Report Post »I think you’re being naive. The progressives will do anything to discredit conservatives. This wouldn’t be the first time.
sWampy
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 9:51amCome on, the left does background checks and body cavity searches at the door to make sure no evil conservatives or recording devices get into their events, to prevent history from being recorded accurately. Tea Party accepts everyone with open arms, even though that means getting sucker punched in the face every now and again by super violent liberals, or having them cheer on evil from the audience.
Report Post »NOTAMUSHROOM
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 10:06amSwampy’s got it right!
Report Post »jujubeebee
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 8:25amSeparation of church and state is something the liberals really love…………but they want to be the church in healthcare!
Report Post »mbriz
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 10:04amSo did the founding fathers of this country.
Report Post »sWampy
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 11:22amOur founding fathers didn’t support separation of church and state, or public health care. Jefferson responded to a citizen that requested the government tax people their tithe and give it to the church as a government service, Jefferson properly said no there is a separation of church and state, we can’t force people to tithe, the liberals took this one statement and ran. Their stance on public health care/schools/welfare was clearly, you don‘t work you don’t eat, period, we had tried socialism the first year we were on this continent, everyone died, we knew that wouldn’t ever work.
Report Post »Lucy Larue
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 5:43pmJUJUBEEBEE,
They want to be the “CHURCH” of EVERYTHING!
Report Post »Progressives do not worship the God Jehovah. Progressives worship the God …,FEDGOV.!
Skan
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 8:20amAwhile back someone on the advisory team explaining Obama Care was talking to a college crowd about the “care curve”, essentially not giving care to the very young (premature babies) or the very old (over 80) to save on health care. Well, the college crowd cheered at this. No one in the lame stream media reported on this. And this is the type of “rule” that will take effect eventually when and if Obama Care becomes law. READ THE BILL.
Report Post »sWampy
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 9:53amEventually, it will happen quickly, starting in 2014 home health care is going to be gone, to encourage everyone to move in to nursing homes to wait to die, and force them to sell their life savings to pay for those nursing homes.
Report Post »heavyduty
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 8:19amI am from Texas and what I have against Ron Paul is that he is a Libertarian. We have enough liberals in government now. I do like that he wants to stand with the constitution. But it‘s still early and like most I haven’t made up my mind yet.
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 8:25am“I am from Texas and what I have against Ron Paul is that he is a Libertarian. We have enough liberals in government now….”
????
Huh?
er…never mind…you will figure it out eventually…
Report Post »Locked
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 8:27amLibertarians are not liberals. You either don’t realize this, or juxtaposed two completely different thoughts.
Report Post »Insuranceman
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 8:29amHunh?
Report Post »bandi9
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 8:30ami am not a Ron Paul fan, but you need to look up the definition of Libertarian, and maybe educate yourself before you comment. just sayin….
Report Post »RebelSon
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 8:35amJeez dude…….you’ve heard of Google, right? You smell like a troll…
Report Post »MyPostingName
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 8:35amLMAO,
I hope he logs back in and responds, we will chalk that one up as “he just got involved and hasn’t caught on to what is what in the world yet”.
Report Post »melving
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 8:36amHD, Really, Libertarian. That is just a Conservative conservative.
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 8:37amAw, what the heck…
I apologize in advance if I am telling you something you already know. Think of it like this. You have a horizontal line. On the extreme left is the most extreme liberal position. The extreme right is the most extreme conservative position. Keep in mind that most people will move along that line according to the issue, for instance, i am pretty far right on most things but illegal immigration I slide a bit towards the left…I want to secure borders but I do not have much against the idea of amnesty…Anyway…
Now picture a vertical line running through the center of the left/right line. The top will be labeled socialist though that is probably not the best definition. Call it government control. The bottom is the libertarian position. Individual responsibility. What you now have is a grid. You can indeed be a liberal libertarian or a conservative libertarian. Most of us in here would probably fall somewhere in the south-east section, conservative libertarians. GW Bush would fall in the north-east section, big government conservatives. That is where RINOs live. Obama is north-west.
Hope this helps, it is a concept and not to be taken literally. As I mention, we all move within this total grid though we tend to fall in one area predominately.
Report Post »gdbhusker
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 9:29amyou say it is still early??? and Libertarians are “liberal”??? well in case your internet search is broken…I will try to help you…republicans used to be the embodiment of fiscal and social conservatism….democrats used to be the opposite. now both republicans and democrats have been taken over by progressivism, which is big government, globalism, etc…. Libertarians however, are the best of what both parties used to be..fiscally conservative, and staunch defenders of liberty and the constitution. Libertarians believe that personal responsibility is the way to treat people in a truly free society, and that government cannot mandate, control, or regulate morality. Libertarians are the answer to all the big problems that the big 2 have given us, think about it…when someone gets elected…they always stay to the side of the party..NOT the people, the only exception is Ron Paul and libertarians…they listen and vote the constitution and the will of those that elected them….please search Ron Pauls voting record……be well
Report Post »ColoradoMaverick
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 9:32amthe words liberal and libertarian are similar sounding words, but they have very different meanings. Look them up.
Report Post »biohazard23
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 8:15amThis is total crap. The hospitals I have worked for have always had financial services people, a social services department, and even outside financial contractors available to assist people with no insurance. They explore all the options open to patients who are uninsured or underinsured and if they do not qualify for those options, they set up payment plans (usually for a settled amount which is less than the total outstanding bill).
Plus, if someone presents to the ER in active labor or claiming to need emergency services, THEY ARE NEVER TURNED AWAY regardless of the ability to pay!!! The patient is stabilized and, if necessary, transferred to another facility for more appropriate/specialized care. Payment arrangements are made after the patient is discharged. Although I’m sure there are instances where patients have slipped through the cracks, as a rule, ACCESS TO HEALTH CARE is available to everybody. However, it is NOT YOUR RIGHT to have me, my husband, or anybody else pay for your care should you fail to provide for yourself!
Report Post »Locked
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 8:28am” They explore all the options open to patients who are uninsured or underinsured and if they do not qualify for those options, they set up payment plans (usually for a settled amount which is less than the total outstanding bill).”
Your statement here is exactly what Blitzer was asking Ron Paul about. If the payment is less than the amount of the bill, who pays it? Us. That was the point.
Report Post »Sleazy Hippo
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 8:41amBioHazard, you completely contradicted yourself.
When patients show up in emergency rooms and receive care (are not ‘turned away’), any unpaid costs are passed on to the taxpayer. That is why serious programs insist that healthy people carry health insurance.
Blackhawk1
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 8:50amLocked
No, you are completely missing the point. Blitzer asked who should pay for the hypothetical mans care. Paul gave the right answer. It’s called Individual Responsibility! We all make choices in life and it was the patients CHOICE to not have healthcare. If something happens to him it is between him and the private hospital to work it out. The Government needs to stay out of peoples personal lives. If the hospital sues the man for non-payment then I guess it was the mans choice to not have insurance. Health Insurance isn’t exactly Insurance anymore, it’s more of a way for people to get other people to pay for their doctor visits. Raise the co-pay to say around $200.00 per office visit and you would suddenly see the amount of people start to take better care of themselves. It would also drastically lower monthly premiums. What’s your deductible on your auto insurance? I‘ll bet it’s not $12.00 per incident! It also doesn’t pay for your maintenance.
Report Post »biohazard23
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 8:52amI believe this was stated in the article: “…Wolf Blitzer asked Ron Paul if he would rather see a fictitious patient without health insurance die instead of give him free care.”
Wolfie wanted to get someone – ANYONE – to say that yes, they would permit some sorry soul to die strictly because of financial issues. THAT was the point of the question. Good day to you.
Report Post »Lloyd Drako
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 8:57am“ACCESS TO HEALTH CARE is available to everybody. However, it is NOT YOUR RIGHT to have me, my husband, or anybody else pay for your care should you fail to provide for yourself!”
You’ve absolutely nailed the case for the individual mandate.
Report Post »zorro
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 9:01amI know it’ll be pointless but I urge you guys to look this up.
When a patient can’t pay, who absorbs the cost of healthcare? Don’t assume you know the answer. Please, look it up. The answer WILL surprise you.
Report Post »biohazard23
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 9:03amIt’s one thing for a business to write off their losses then pass the cost on to other consumers. All business do that. It’s another to ask a person if they would let someone DIE who was unable to pay for emergency services or give them free everything. But yet again, our slimy, vegetarian, water-dwelling mammal missed the point of the discussion. I’ll repeat myself since you missed it the first time:
“…Wolf Blitzer asked Ron Paul if he would rather see a fictitious patient without health insurance die instead of give him free care.”
Wolfie wanted to get someone – ANYONE – to say that yes, they would permit some sorry soul to die strictly because of financial issues. THAT was the point of the question. Good day to you, too, water dweller.
Report Post »Blackhawk1
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 9:06amLloyd Drako
I see you missed the point on Individual Responsibility too. If the Government mandates you buy something it’s no longer a Freedom Of Choice. That is why Obamacare is Unconstitutional.
Report Post »Seede
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 9:23amAlso people should be reminded that once you are billed.for the medical care and you make no effort to pay up, you then face a garnishment to your wages. That is if you are working. If you are unemployed and then get a job you are still garnished for the bill under the states recovery act. That is if your state has a recovery act. Now what is the best deal? Be a good quiet illegal and Obama will take care of the bill.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 9:25am@Blackhawk
“Raise the co-pay to say around $200.00 per office visit and you would suddenly see the amount of people start to take better care of themselves.”
HA! No way. You‘d see people not go to the hospital because they can’t afford it even with insurance. You’d see people in the ER more often -because- they didn’t go to the hospital when they first started getting sick. And the ERs are already abused because, as Bio said, even with a payment plan the patients can’t cover the bill and the hospitals must take a loss. This will result in higher prices for all (if it’s a private hospital) or more of our tax money being used to cover the difference (if the hospital gets any state funding).
The problem is, there’s no good answer here. Ron Paul said that people need the community (in his example, the church) to step in and help, not the government. What happens when the community won‘t or can’t? Either the patient dies, or the hospital eats a loss that eventually the rest of us end up paying for.
Yes, it was a liberal question, but unfortunately there‘s not a good answer to it unless you’re willing to admit that “he should die” is one of the outcomes of “it‘s an individual’s responsibility.” Some people are terrible at taking care of themselves.
Report Post »Lloyd Drako
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 9:31amBlackhawk1:
Report Post »If the question is one of liberty and individual responsibility, you are absolutely right. Roll the gurney right back out to the street and let him die, Or treat him, bill him and watch him sink hopelessly into debt trying to pay. Serves him right. But if the question is, how could his death or destitution have been avoided while sparing expense to others (taxpayers and/or the responsibly insured like you and me), then I stand by my original statement: an individual mandate.
Blackhawk1
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 11:19amLloyd Drako
Individual Mandate=Government Stealing Personal Freedom.
Not in this country.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 5:49pm@LOCKED
If you have the time, could you create a list, or give us a few paragraphs on the reasons that YOU believe health care is as costly as it is right now?
Report Post »jujubeebee
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 8:12amI liked coloradomaverick’s comment!
Report Post »The rest of us take on the cost and personal responsibility of buying insurance to protect ourselves. Insurance is a gamble.
People need to be personally responsible and financially responsible as well. If he has assets those should be tapped into. There are charitable people who will help but without feeling that you need to be responsible…why should you?
Those who get government free scholarships should also be required to pay it back financially…little by little if they have to. Why should my child have to pay back his college’s loans and someone who qualifies for need not have to? Both kids should have to pay it back!
TennesseeConservative
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 9:38amTired of the media telling me who can and cannot win. I do not like everything Ron Paul says. But lets elect someone who believes in freedom. No more career politicians, My vote is for Paul. Maybe we will get real change. Also senators and congressmen who believe in freedom. I for one am sick of the rest. If I am wrong, oh well. Sick and tired of the same old same old.
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 10:29amTNcon,
Same boat I am in. I am not 100% at this point but if Palin does not enter Paul has my vote. I am just sick of “more of the same” which is what EVERY other repub candidate represents, just in varying degrees.
Report Post »John Meyer
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 8:12amUnfortunately the problem is a giant one that is intertwined with many other problems which are all quickly leading to the government being the “insurer” or “payer” of choice for many people. You have the people who have no idea how much medical care costs or should cost because what they see, if anything at all, is the amount charged or the amount paid by insurance. You have insurance determining what should be paid, and healthcare providers raising the price so that the insurance paid comes out to what they believe should be paid. I believe there is also a me too clause in there where if a patient gets a cheaper price, the insurance expects the cheaper price to be charged too.
Under the current structure that has been building this has left people believing that you‘ve been irresponsible so you should die because we’ve taken the government out of the equation. Ron Paul remembers a different time, actually lived it as a physician, where medical rates for the patient were fair, insurance was minimal. If someone got sick and they couldn’t cover it themselves, their family would try to cover it. If the family couldn’t then there were charities to go to to for help. Sometimes you might even get the doctor to do it for free, or expect payment later when you’re better.
Report Post »westtitus
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 10:47amPlease don’t throw your vote away and let Obama take it in 2012. Be responsible enough to at least make your vote count by getting him out of office. I know there is no one out there to vote for but let’s at least get him out of office. It is a start. Then we can put the pressure on the next President to do as WE the PEOPLE want. You know Ron Paul has no chance winning so please vote a little wiser than Ron Paul.
Report Post »TINFOIL HATS
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 8:11amGuess what………???? Eutopia doesnt exist…… I cant afford to pay for everyones everyTHING…. the 30 year old is toast:( sorry but “A man dies, a baby is born and the world turns” Im just waiting on the Revolution……tick tock tick tock
Report Post »poorrichard09
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 8:11amCould have been ******* trolls planted in audience to smear Tea Party-they’re doing their best to demonize, isolate, destroy just like good little alinsky commies.
Report Post »biohazard23
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 8:17amWell, they WERE lurking outside just waiting for an opportunity to do just that.
http://www2.tbo.com/news/politics/2011/sep/12/10/dems-talking-social-security-at-gop-debate-ar-257214/
Report Post »Insuranceman
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 8:28amThe tea party demonizes itself it seems a very large percentage of them are people who were looking for an acceptable way to show their hatred and bigotry. They now have it. Yes take the country back from THEM. You should all be proud very proud.
Report Post »lobster
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 8:58amGo back and read the article again. It says that HALF of the audience was provided by CNN. TEA PARTIERS all?
Report Post »biohazard23
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 8:58amOh, please enlighten us with your multitude of examples showing how people who want smaller, limited government, personal accountability, and fiscal responsibility are closet racists and bigots. You will probably start with quotes from Maher, Blobbermann, Madcow, and Matthews, right? Get some video clips from Media Matters or BSNBC? Perhaps a few more choice sound bites from Maxine “I never met a whitey I liked” Waters and her ilk? Please. Expose us for the racists we really are…. Ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!!!!!!!!
Report Post »aerorepairo
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 9:20amI agree with Poorrichard09, I don’t trust the Communist News Network one bit! Like Muslims, Liberals will lie or even imitate their enemy to so long as it progresses their Alinsky ideology (liberals). As much as I hate to fork over hundreds of dollars for health or car insurance each month, A 32 year old like myself or anyone ought to be free to choose if he wants insurance or not. But WE are responsible for the the consequences. If someone refuses health insurance whether they are Liberal, Conservative, Libertarian, Socialist, Muslim, Marxist, Alien, Chuck Norris, etc., then the repercussions can be fatal which is a fact everyone must accept. If this opens the door for someone to exercise true charity then blessed are they who give charity. Charity should not be forced and I know Christ would agree as it pertains to free will and agency and the Constitution.
Report Post »If Insuranceman’s username is any indication that he works for an insurance company (maybe healthcare related), his remarks would perfectly profile him as someone who is afraid of losing his “public” job once Obamacare is completely gutted following the landslide election of a Tea Party backed candidate in 2012. If his name doesn’t reflect his occupation. . . I still stand by my comment.
sbenton
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 9:30amDo we really think that a debate hosted by CNN would not include sabotage? Tell me we’re not that naive. I guarantee CNN and all the liberals will run with that spot to summarize the debate. It fits their narrative perfectly. It wouldn’t surprise me if the agent provocateurs knew the question beforehand,and were given a script what to scream. The one thing we know to be true – progressives are liars, and disrupting the debate to get a negative soundbite that could be run by media is right up their alley.
Report Post »endgamer
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 8:05amThey call it bankruptcy.. The medical field bills without interest. It’s a free loan. If you can’t repay you go bankrupt. The hospital and the doctors write it off as indigent care and move on.. Competition and lower pricing along with the government getting out of the way solves the problem. He will get care. A hospital operated as a non profit will help him. The question BTW was loaded with a socialized medicine bias along with a credit score and financial status lean.
Report Post »heavyduty
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 8:04amIt was hypothetical, so actually no one dies or died. But I am like a lot of people wondering where in the hell I can get hospitalization for two to three hundred a month. You might have say 30 years ago. But he made his choice and he can deal with the choices he made.
Report Post »WILLIAM E.
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 8:02amThe more government gets involved the worse the situation becomes. Look @ the mess they have done w/ the postal system.
Report Post »auntmoxie.com
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 7:58amI heard it and understood the cheering was to be a reaction to not having to pay for every Tom, Dick, and Harry who choose not to take precautions on their own. But it did sound bad. I don‘t think cheering for someone’s death is right — whatever the reason.
Report Post »ColoradoMaverick
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 7:57amI watched the debate and some of the questions like this one were very moronic. Talk about a typical “gotcha” question. No matter how he answered it, it was designed to make him look bad. Ron Paul answered it very well. If a young man makes a decision to NOT get health insurance, then yes, he should take the responsibility of having to pay for his care. Of coarse no one in America and no hospital would refuse care. Heck, we bring in thousands of people every year from other countries to provide free health care. The answer is this: Provide the health care and then demand that he pay it back in full. Does that mean the young man may loose his car, his home, his savings? Yes.
This is what health insurance is all about. Paying up front with others to spread the risk and hoping that you never have to use it. It is not a return on investment policy. If you choose NOT to protect yourself, then you assume that risk. It is what makes you an adult.
Take responsibility for yourself America!!
I have paid out thousands and thousands of dollars every year for coverage and received very little back (thank God for that). It is the peace of mind and security that I pay the premiums for.
Report Post »jujubeebee
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 8:05amI loved Coloradomaverick’s answer! He said it better than I did! Thanks for that!
Report Post »westtitus
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 10:42amYou are exactly right! It is just like getting insurance on your car, house (such as flood and fire), if nothing happens great, if it does then if you have been responsible and making your premium payments you get help. You do not get a return on anything but we are raising a generation of idiots that don’t even want to get a drivers license and want Moma to drive them around until they are 30. They seem to thing they are entitled just because they are breathing.
Report Post »G man
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 7:56amAnything to get rid of tne new Ross Perot I’m OK with.
Report Post »TxMadMac
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 7:56amIt‘s not that we want anyone to die but rather we’re tired of the taxpayer having to pick up the tab. New laws should be passed that would usurp any on the records for collections even putting leins on personal properties, attaching wages etc. Enough……TEA
Report Post »jujubeebee
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 7:55amWell, I for one, am not influenced by an audience member or HuffPo’s comments.
I think there needs to be more personal responsibility, less government and more church activity.
Ron Paul’s answer was spot on for me.
Liberals are trying to pull us away from church and God and helping others as a personal responsiblity issue and making everything a collective government issue. Ron Paul did an excellent job in answering that question.
Isn‘t it prejudice to judge a whole group of people by one person’s outburst? The issue was not about letting a man die ….it was about should government take on everyone’s healthcare, was it not?
Report Post »ColoradoMaverick
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 9:36amJuJubeebee, I like your answer as well! We all could stand to take more responsibility for our lives, our family and our destiny. That is exactly what we as patriotic Americans intend to do, starting with reining in big government, letting a vocal minority (liberals) take our great country down the wrong path will not stand. We will rise up and defeat them for the greater good of this great country.
Report Post »grudgywoof
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 7:54amAs someone who considers himself a tea partier but a Christian first, Jesus told us we have an obligation to the poor. I believe that everyone should get proper medical treatment (not fancy but adequate) and we could sure do a better job of it. We had a medical/dental clinic set up for one weekend at a local high school and so many showed up some were turned away. That says to me there’s a problem that if that many show up and stand in line for basic services. Obamanation Care is not the answer but we could do a better job. I don‘t have an answer but I don’t want them to die because of money that’s just evil and we are better than that as a country of free men and women.
Report Post »RebelSon
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 8:32amIt doesn‘t matter if it’s medical care, or food or a sack of tennis balls. If it’s free, they will line up to get it. I personally know people who say they can’t afford to see a dentist, but they can always scrape up enough for another bag of weed when they run out. So do I feel bad for them? Hell no. Adults make choices, and they should reap what they sow.
Report Post »NOTAMUSHROOM
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 8:43amAgreed Grudgy. BUT if you offer free stuff, the moochers come crawling out of the woodwork. This is probably what you saw, not real, true “need”.
Just walk into your local hospital. There is a plaque by the front door that says that no one will be turned away. Then look at who is sitting in the waiting room. At my local hospital, the waiting room is filled with illegal immigrants and young parents who want to hospitalize their child for the weekend.
Report Post »stpppim
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 8:56amThe point here is who will protect us from your altruistic obligation to the poor. It is fine with me that you give all you want to the poor, suffering, and needy. Charity begins in your own purse. Government seizure of property, no matter how many people vote for it, no matter how well intended, is not Charity and will not save your soul, or make you feel good about yourself. Leave it to individuals to decide for themselves what or who they value and take direct action. Will stealing from your neighbor save your soul or cause you to lose it? Will it save your neighbor’s soul or cause them to lose it? Will it save the soul of the person that receives the assistance or cause him to lose it? Government aide to the needy accomplished though coerced measures also steals the opportunity for individuals to be charitable.
Report Post »This_Individual
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 11:08amWe are not obligated to help anyone, especially through the means of government. If you decide to help someone with their medical costs (as I would), it is of your own free will. And that is what we need in our nation. Americans helping Americans. Not relying on the federal government.
Report Post »SamIamTwo
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 7:54amI didn’t take it that way…I saw the cheering as an endorsement of a process that is tried and true as a deterrent and for a man who did not dance around the question.
Report Post »Dr Vel
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 7:52amThere is no limit to the depth the left will sink trying to find ways to demonize the right. To keep power and gain advantage the left gleefully drives this nation into the deepest part of hell. God on His throne will judge all souls for every idle word they speak.
Report Post »I_Hate_Libs
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 7:49amAgree with Ron Paul 100% society is not letting the man die the man that chose not to have health care let himself down.
The horror of the Democrat mind.
Report Post »grandmaof5
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 7:49amThat wasn’t the initial question. In fact, when I heard it I thought maybe the participants were being baited. The audience was clapping before that question was interjected so is appeared they were clapping. Typical leftest trick, I guess, to make the Tea Party look like ‘meanys’.
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 7:49amAnd yet the libs want to destroy the tea party, we are all SOBs, and the rich are evil…meanwhile, the tea party supposedly (according to interpretation) wants to kill a hypothetical example…
er…whatever….
If anyone is actually stupid enough to believe that Americans actually want to push old ladies off cliffs or leave people dying in the streets then they deserve the slavery Obama is selling them into…
I think the vast majority of Americans are not this stupid, a few Blaze trolls excepted…
Report Post »RightUnite
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 7:48amHow about this idiot pay for his own medical needs?? He has a good job, bill him… He can work it out with the Hospital in question.
Report Post »loriann12
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 8:14amYea, work it out with the hospital involved. I have an example of that. My husband had a motorcycle accident Friday, and got sent by ambulance to a hospital that doesn’t take our insurance (Tricare, for retired military). They gave him the choice of admitting him, when the orthopedic surgeon wouldn’t be able to get to him until Monday, or stabilize it and send him home. We told them that hospital didn’t take our insurance, and they said they’d be willing to work with us to get the bill paid. What the heck good does it do to have government insurance if they won’t take it?
Report Post »10th MTN DIV SCOUT
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 8:45amLorianne I too am covered under tricare for retired military and I have the same problem but considering how tricare is paid for with tax dollars alot of people will have us belive that we don‘t deserve it because it’s a handout…now I am a die hard republican and a follower of the tea party but I am finding more and more teapartiers becoming more hostile even towards people who served their country…I find that unamerican in every way..what happened to the days when we were united as a people and we helped our neighbors…not that im trying to throw a pity party Vito joined thmilitary because I felt it was the right thing to do to protect and preserve the rights of not just my family but also my fellow americans. Seems to me that that doesn’t seem to matter anymore
Report Post »MONICNE
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 9:43am10th Mountain is exactly right. We vets are on the list. Here is what I heard outside a TEA party rally in 2009, when they were just beginning:
“The US military are big socialists. Also, many of them were wounded and now get TAXPAYER MONEY for disability – even if they have jobs! For life! Don’t even ask about the Billions of taxpayer dollars that go out to these “retired” people who are not even serving on active duty!”
This was a rally/teaching event with Mike Pence and Eric Cantor sponsored by FreedomWorks in Washington DC. I actually met Dick Armey.
cromag11b
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 11:56amloriann12
Because thats what you get with a strictly for profit medical system run by insurance and drug companies. They don’t care about the person.
I will be on Tricare soon as well.
I love how all the “Let them fend for themselves!” types say this because people with taxpayer funded health care told them to. If our ruling class gets free heathcare, why can’t we?
Report Post »And when it comes down to it govt health care would help business compete with all the countries that do have health care. Businesses wouldn’t have to pay it and employees would most likely miss less work. The US is so far behind every other developed nation on this. Being stationed all over the world for the past X years has driven that home.
Blackhawk1
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 12:14pmcromag11b
Have you ever been in a German Hospital? They are filthy and disgusting. Is that what you want here? Also don‘t think Tricare is free because it isn’t. It will be deducted from your small military pension, along with Federal taxes and survivor benefit premiums if you elect that option. You also get a short list of doctors in the area you live in to chose from that are only seeing you to get undercompansated by the government. Gee and all you/we had to do for it is spend unaccompanied short tours in third world hell holes for a year at a time and be deployed to combat zones where we got shot at.
Have you ever asked a person from another country how much money is confiscated from their pay check for their so-called FREE HEALTHCARE? Here is a clue for you, nothing is free!
Report Post »10th MTN DIV SCOUT
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 1:50pm@blackhawk it is only deducted is you choose tricare prime which is HMO but nothing is deducted for tricare standard which is pop is not deducted from your retirement…fact is america is not america anymore no one cares about their neighbor like the old days this is not germany in america standards were set and im sad to say that the standards are gone.. where I grew up everyone knew everyone and even tho you may dislike somebody you would still bend over backwards to help them. America is gone until we can unite as a people and take care of one another
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