Did the Prophet Muhammad Really Exist? This Is Robert Spencer’s Shocking Answer
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Did the Prophet Muhammad really exist? This question, which may seem bizarre on the surface, is at the root of a new book by Robert Spencer, a prominent author and the director of Jihad Watch. Spencer, a figure who is praised by his fans and loathed by his detractors, has written numerous books on Islam.
Earlier this week, The Blaze spoke with the expert about his controversial, new book, “Did Muhammad Exist?” As can be derived from the title, the text delves into some uncomfortable subject matter, as Spencer examines the historical documentation surrounding the Muslim prophet.
The book’s official description perfectly encapsulates its central tenets:
Did Muhammad exist?
It is a question that few have thought—or dared—to ask. Virtually everyone, Muslim and non-Muslim alike, takes for granted that the prophet of Islam lived and led in seventh-century Arabia. But this widely accepted story begins to crumble on close examination, as Robert Spencer shows in his eye-opening new book.
In his blockbuster bestseller The Truth about Muhammad, Spencer revealed the shocking contents of the earliest Islamic biographical material about the prophet of Islam.
Now, in Did Muhammad Exist?, he uncovers that material’s surprisingly shaky historical foundations. Spencer meticulously examines historical records, archaeological findings, and pioneering new scholarship to reconstruct what we can know about Muhammad, the Qur’an, and the early days of Islam. The evidence he presents challenges the most fundamental assumptions about Islam’s origins.
The premise of the book is that Islam — like Judaism and Christianity –deserves to be scrutinized and appropriately examined. Spencer maintains that Islam, unlike the other massive faith systems, has never truly been given the academic attention and examination it deserves. Like Christianity, he maintains that the faith is one that “deserve[s] historical scrutiny.”
“This [newest book is] something that I started to think about when I wrote the biography of Muhammad in 2006,” Spencer told The Blaze.
Naturally, considering the book’s title, I asked him to divulge — Did Muhammad exist? His response was quick, condensed and to the point.
“Well, no. If you mean the prophet of Islam who was purported to receive revelations from Allah that were put into the Koran. No, that guy certainly did not exist,” he boldly proclaimed. “The regular guy — he possibly existed.”
While this will send shockwaves through Islamic communities, Spencer said that the greatest surprise in his research was that it led him to doubt something he had always maintained — that Muhammad was, indeed, real.
Considering these statements and the volume of work they accompany, one cannot help but wonder if Spencer is nervous about the potential fallout he could experience at the hands of radical Islamists. But when I asked him about any potential hesitations, he simply shrugged them off.
“I’ve gotten so many death threats over so many years…what’s a few more?,” he said. “If somebody wants to do violence to me because of this book, then in a certain sense it validates what I’ve been saying about Islamic texts for years.”
The author went on to share that the threats have created a scenario in which he consistently needs to have adequate — often times extra — security. Rather than having millions in his coffers, as some might assume, the cost of ensuring safety, among other elements, proves to have a massive fiscal toll.
“We go down to zero with every initiative,” Spencer said. “We’re always scrapping the bottom of the barrel financially.”
And considering some of the people who have threatened him in the past, it’s understandable why he would want to ensure he has adequate protection. Adam Gadahn, an American-born al-Qaeda operative who became a key officer in the upper-tanks of the jihadist group, has made purportedly threatening mentions of Spencer in past video postings.
The well-known expert told me that he has seen, with his own eyes, other threats that have been waged against him in the radical Islamic chat rooms he has been able to personally permeate. One of these shocking messages once read, ”May Allah rip out his spine from his back and split his brains in two, and then put them both back, and then do it over and over again.” These are only two examples, as Spencer has numerous others.
In our discussion, the expert on Islam explained that his interest in the faith stretches back to both his lineage and his childhood. His family is from the Ottoman Empire. After hearing stories during his younger years about how his family members inevitably came to be exiled, he wondered how — if the empire was so wonderful — it could treat his loved ones in such a manner. Before long, the author said he was studying history and exploring the Koran.
“As time went by professionally, as a writer, I began to make connections with people who were interested in these issues,” Spencer explained, going on to illustrate that these studies led to a viable career path. “I ended up consulting in the 1990s with individuals and groups on jihad [and similar subjects].”
It was after the September 11 attacks that Spencer wrote his first book. “Did Muhammed Exist?” is his eleventh.
After chatting about the book and his background, I asked him about the claims that some on the left make regarding alleged bigotry and anti-Arab sentiment.
“In the first place, the idea that we’re anti-Arab is completely ridiculous. I am in daily contact with Arab Christians and am very close to them in numerous ways,” Spencer said. “What they’re [detractors are] trying to do by saying that we’re racists…is to try and make this a racial issue, which its not. There’s nothing racial about it.”
The author went on to say that there are individuals of all races who are both threatened and targeted by radical Islamic extremism. The racism charge, he said, is merely an avenue through which to dismiss his research and claims. Spencer maintains that his voice — and others like it — are essential to protecting women, among others, who are the target of Islamist attacks. Without the protectionism that he and other advocates like Pamela Geller give, there would be no one to help these victims, he said.
“What we see in the left’s alliance with the jihadis…is that they hate America more than they hate anything else,” Spencer said. “They hate Western civilization, they hate christianity and they hate Judaism.”
Additionally, he went on to say that the left and Islamic extremists share similarities in that they both seek to establish what he called “an earthly Utopia.”
When it comes to his critics — and Spencer has many — the author charges that “there’s never been any cogent response” to his books. He maintains that he has invited his critics numerous times to debate him and that they have consistently declined.
Now, critics will once again have an opportunity to question Spencer’s allegation that Muhammad, at least in the Islamic theological sense, did not exist. The only question is: Will they take him up on the challenge?
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Comments (438)
ONTHEMARK55
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 6:35pmAmazing statement based on what?
Report Post »Larry E
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 6:32pmGot an Amazon gift certificate, better buy a copy of this book before a fatwah is pronounced on it and anyone selling it anywhere. Ah, the religion of peace and love. Sort of like Communism but with praying.
Report Post »RossPoldark
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 7:38pmIn the early 80s, my sister and I bought the book ” Satanic Verses of the Quran.” A fatwah was pronounced on Solomon Rushdie for this book, and muslims tried to have it banned. Unfortunately, we attended a university where many muslims came to study. We had to cover the book with a brown paper and we wrote ” Betty Crocker Cook Book’ on the paper covering the book. We were fearful of having a fatwah place on us by muslims for reading the book. Well, psychosis seems to run in Islam. Must be the diet or a Satanic God.
Report Post »bignebraskan
Posted on May 6, 2012 at 8:00amislam is a government. Muslims are the useful idiots who are used to spread their govt of fear and control across the planet. The sooner its debunked as a religion, the sooner we can get rid of cair and rid this country of their govt’s infiltration in America. Ask yourself, if islam is not a govt, why can’t other religious groups practice in the arab/middle east countries? “nation of islam” is not a punch line.
Report Post »SurhanSurhan
Posted on May 6, 2012 at 12:16pm@ BIGNEBRASKAN- When your government allows Muslims to come to the United States without a passport. They might consider allowing you to practice your religion in Arab Muslim countries.
Report Post »usedCZARsalesman
Posted on May 6, 2012 at 12:45pmhow do those compare Surhan? Because you aren’t allowed to come and go as you please in a country you have openly hated for GENERATIONS, we cannot practice any religion other than Is-lame in the ME? Good, solid logic at work
Report Post »SurhanSurhan
Posted on May 6, 2012 at 1:40pm@ USEDCZARSALESMAN- If you stop thinking like a used czar salesman maybe some knowledge would penetrate that thick skull of yours. Do you control who comes in and out of your country? If you did maybe your northern and southern borders wouldn’t be so porous. Don’t ask someone to do something they have no control over. If they can’t ask you to do something you have no control over. That’s what that meant.
Report Post »usedCZARsalesman
Posted on May 6, 2012 at 6:11pmhuh? Did that even make sense when you were typing it? If you think hating and murdering Christians (people who do NOTHING BUT GOOD in Is-lame-ic countries) in the ME is the same as checking a passport in order for Mooslims (people that have cause nothing but destruction EVERYWHERE IN THE WORLD THEY ARE ALLOWED TO EXIST!) to enter America, then there is no intellectual honesty in you.
Report Post »fatpatriot
Posted on May 7, 2012 at 7:26amHey surhan
Report Post »kryptonite beginning at 2:44 pm may 6
kryptonite completely owned your lying butt and mysteriously you have not reponded. You find time to respond with your bindfolded drivel to anyone who seemingly disagrees with you but when someone responds with the FACTS, in your own beloved text you run away like a little girl. What up? Man up!! I would laugh but I was always taught not to belittle the infirm.
Unix
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 6:26pmNow you are a real nice person, better check your words and your works. Sometime in your future, just like all of us, you will die of whatever (I hope old age), and then you will face your maker, and he will have no mercy on the unrepentant. May God Bless you too.
Report Post »possom
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 6:21pmThey only hate america because we have plumbing and toilet’s, And the throwback’s in the middle east have to do their business in the dirt and use a goat to wipe!
Report Post »666Sucks
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 7:04pmLOL, they don’t use goat wipess, they use their left hand and that’s why they never present it. It’s also why they cut off the right hand, it makes you a social outcast. These animals are vile! THe MohamedI have read about is a suicidal ilitarate pedophile. But he did leave us with the invention of stirups!
Report Post »spirited
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 7:26pmHad Epilepsy been better understood back in the 560′s A.D.
>the voices (the word) would have been recognized as seizures.
Report Post »spfoam1
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 7:26pmTey may not have plumbing and toilets but they do have thousands upon thousands of outhouses, with crescent moons on the side. Some have golden domed roofs. The star represents the @sshole sitting in there, wailing.
Report Post »spirited
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 7:46pmPOSSOM: “with crescent moons on the side”
{[:^>That would be on the east side, right?;^>for those moon-lit nights. Eh?
Report Post »kryptonite
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 9:39pm@spfoam1
Report Post »Tey may not have plumbing and toilets but they do have thousands upon thousands of outhouses…
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Excellent metaphor.
Jim in Houston
Posted on May 6, 2012 at 10:57amAnd we don’t wipe our butts with our hand.
Report Post »SurhanSurhan
Posted on May 6, 2012 at 12:29pm@ JIM IN HOUSTON- No, but you guys sure are fixated on the butt. I‘ve heard more than one person mention it on this thread and it’s never the same person twice. For your information they don‘t use their hands but the don’t use toilet paper like you slacked jawed troglodyte Americans either.
Report Post »faryaalsultan
Posted on June 22, 2012 at 9:36pmNo. They hate America because of the horrible **** we have done to them. And continue to do.
Report Post »Teufel Hunden
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 6:13pmWhen I think of Islam, I automatically think of Kwanza. I don’t know why. Both are equally credible. I guess.
Report Post »jespasinthru
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 7:57pmWhen I was a child, the anti-Christian moonbats used to ask: Did Jesus actually exist? Or was he just a compilation of several messianic rabbis who were such good orators that they showed the people how to rise up? And they all died young.
Report Post »I believe that the Messiah has been here, over and over. And I believe that the Antichrist has been here, over and over. It’s the basic battle of good versus evil, and the soul of Humanity is the prize,
disenlightened
Posted on May 6, 2012 at 12:48pmWhen I think of Islam I automatically think of Charles Manson and the family.
Report Post »dadadadio
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 6:11pmRobert Spencer is very courageous. Hope he and his entire family are braced. Wonder how many will die in the inevitable riots that will ensue. The Muslim world is crazy. The ‘good Muslims’ know that if they speak out in any way, they too will be killed so they sadly must remain silent.
Report Post »RossPoldark
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 7:01pmSadly, the peaceful passive muslims you speak of are looked upon as infidels like the rest of us, because it’s felt they are not really practicing true Islam.
Report Post »buzzkill59
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 7:12pmMr. Spencer has been under death threats for many years.Like he said,what’s one more.
Report Post »wdittgasn
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 7:55pmThe only peaceful muslims are backsliden muslims, just let them get right with their god and you will soon die!
Report Post »kryptonite
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 10:11pm@wdittgasn
The only peaceful muslims are backsliden muslims, just let them get right with their god…
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…and that is so easily done. Just surf the Internet, Ahmed. In one second you can morph from backslidden Muslim to lone wolf.
I’m gonna create a superhero (not a supervillain, cuz I’ll get more death fatwas on me than Spencer and Rushdie combined), called Lone Wolf Hussein. He‘s a cross between a werewolf and Barack’s father. Think it will sell?
Report Post »Favored93
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 10:20pmOnly bad Muslims are peace loving. Good Muslims are the ones we now fear….. Ya religion of peace please……
Report Post »mike_trivisonno
Posted on May 6, 2012 at 8:54amIt is good to see Robert Spencer receive more attention from America’s concerned about Western Civilization; America is the bearer of what remains of our civilization.
When Mayor Giuliani refused a 10-million-dollar check from a Saudi “prince” who told Americans that “we need to learn why 9/11 happened“ and that America was basically to blame for the ”tragedy”, I woke up. That was in October 2001. A debt of gratitude is owed by America to Rudolph Giuliani for that moment of clarity.
That event led me to the Jihad Watch / Dhimmi Watch web site of Robert Spencer.
Much of what I learned there was a revelation. I did not know just how deeply deceived I was.
Many Americans are still living in 2001 and do not realize they labor under a massive deception.
Robert Spencer is a powerhouse.
Report Post »wbaranowski
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 6:01pmAnd his little dog, too.
Report Post »KickinBack
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 5:54pmOf course Muhammed existed. He was a brutal, megalomaniac warlord hell bent on world domination. Then in order to ensure his immortality, he proclaimed a religious site everywhere he took a dump and as a result the world is running scared and crazy and we’ve got the TSA to show for it.
Report Post »loneindividual
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 5:54pmMohammed was assassinated….and he was suppose to be a Prophet. Didn’t he have spider-senses?
Oh wait, that means he was not a Prophet.
Hold on…hold on…what if he was…AND THE KORAN IS NOT A HOLY BOOK! Maybe him being assassinated is all fabricated!!!!
MOHAMMED LIVES! lol
The Bible & The Book of Mormon are 10x more credible than the Koran….AND I’m DEIST!!!!
This guyz book sounds really interesting. I’m gonna buy it if I can.
Report Post »SurhanSurhan
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 8:15pm@ LONEINDIVIDUAL- “The Bible & The Book of Mormon are 10x more credible than the Koran.”
Are you talking about the Bible that has been revised over and over? Are you talking about the KJV Bible? Even Bible scholars say this Bible has many grave defects. They say the defects are so many and so serious this book needed to be revised. That’s why they came out with the NIV Bible. Why does the Catholic Bible contain 7 more books than the Protestant Bible?
Which Bible is more authentic the Catholic Bible (called the Douay Rheims Bible) or the Protestant Bible? Of the Protestant Bibles which one is the authorized Bible, is it the KJV, the NIV, the NKJV, the NLT Bible or the NSV Bible? They are all different, that’s why they are referred to as “versions”.
I know, you were just joking. Having a little fun. LOL.
Report Post »thinkingright
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 9:14pmsurhansurhan. don’t get confused by jots and tittles. The message of man’s sin, God’s perfection and the plan of redemption are clear in any version of the Bible. In fact Romans 1:18 says we are accountable to God because of the revelation of nature itself. There is a creator and to Him we are accountable. I thank God that the price for my sinful life is paid by Jesus Christ and through His righteousness I am made right with God. Heres a cool thing, Genesis shows we are made for creation and creation made for us. Sin broke this “eden”. Turn to the back of the book and we are back in “eden”. Complete with the tree of life. Thats why a perfect saviour had to pay the penalty for sin, so we could enjoy God and creation for ever and ever. I believe and ask you to believe.
Report Post »SurhanSurhan
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 10:07pm@ THINKINGRIGHT- I believe. You’re wrong about the Bible. Some versions of the Bible say Jesus is God’s begotten son. Muslims say God does not beget. Beget means to have sex and produce, God does not have sex. So, Bible scribes have taken the word beget out of John 3:16 and replaced it with the words unique or only son. Muslims disagree with those adjectives as well. I have to give the Christians credit they are coming closer to Islam but they’re dragging their feet.
Some Bible version have thrown out 1 John 5:7. Bible scholars say according to their research these are not the words of John. This was an interpolation/fabrication that crept into the text of John.
Some Bible version have thrown out Mark 16:9-20 the verse on Jesus’ Ascension into heaven. Scholars say they found manuscripts written closer to the time Jesus walked the earth and these manuscripts are more authentic than later manuscripts and Mark 16:9-20 is not in the earlier manuscripts so honesty made them throw out parts of Mark:16. Plus they were always challenged by non Christians to (And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; 18They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them.) prove they believed in Jesus by drinking poison to see if it would hurt them and to play with snakes. So, Bible scholars threw these verses out.
Report Post »PapaPatriarch
Posted on May 6, 2012 at 12:09amSpeaking of translations of the Bible, It was written in Hebrew. We have a Inspired translation in the K.J.V. version, but remember that something is lost anytime you translate a volume that large. Jesus said to spread the gospel to the world so we translate it to every language we can in an attempt to obey, but some translative efforts have obviously been closer to the original than others.
Report Post »B.T.W. if three different people translated Mobey Dick to another language, You might get three slightly different versions that are all correct translations, because there is more than one way to translate the same sentance often, because of idioms and sentance structures.
SurhanSurhan
Posted on May 6, 2012 at 12:50am@ PAPAPATRIARCH- There’s a difference between a version of the Bible and a translation of the Bible. Remember when Microsoft had windows 95/98/NT4/2000/ME/XP these are all different version of the same operating system. They each have something different than the one before it. That’s what a version is. Not the same as the other.
The same is true of the IPod you have different versions of them, but they‘re still IPod’s. Translation, on the other hand, is a choice of words.
So, when I talk about versions of the Bible I’m talking about differences between books. For example the Catholic Bible has 73 books written by 44 different authors. The Protestant Bible has 66 books written by 40 different authors. These are different versions of the same book. This is not a translation.
Report Post »kryptonite
Posted on May 6, 2012 at 2:59am@SurhanSurhan
Muslims say God does not beget. Beget means to have sex and produce, God does not have sex.
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Don’t make me laugh. The reason all you can think of is sex when you read “begotten,” is that your paradise is one eternal orgy.
“Begotten” in that context is the GK word “monogenes,“ which means ”of unique origin“ or ”one and only.” It has absolutely nothing to do with sex. The verb “beget” is used in John 3:5 and John 1:13 to speak of being born again of the Spirit. Also, in 1 Cor. 4:15, the Apostle Paul uses that word to convey his spiritual fathering of that church:
==> “…for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.”
And so on throughout the NT. Learn about connotations. They matter.
So what if there are different versions of the Bible. The Bible warns against adding or taking away from the Book, but we don‘t behead people for disregarding God’s commandments. They will answer to God himself. Nevertheless, the NT is the same for everybody. That is the current standing covenant, and you will be saved or perish depending on whether you adhere to it or not. Likewise, who cares if one manuscript does not include the ascension of Jesus. All the manuscripts contain verses that make it clear Jesus is in heaven sitting at the right hand of God. I suggest you stop being so finicky about the Bible and focus on Muhammad’s lies and contradictions instead.
Report Post »SurhanSurhan
Posted on May 6, 2012 at 4:09am@ KRYPTONITE- At least your Bible scribes are more honest than you. In the most up-to-date versions of the Bible they had enough sense to throw the word out. Begat is a contaminated (meaning it has a certain meaning) word, it cannot be used as an attribute to describe something God did. When you talk about God, you have to use words that elevate Him. In order for God to create Jesus all He has to do is “will it” and Jesus comes into being. Begat/begot means to have sex and produce. Here are some examples:
Matthew 1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.
2Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas and his brethren;
3And Judas begat Phares and Zara of Thamar; and Phares begat Esrom; and Esrom begat Aram;
4And Aram begat Aminadab; and Aminadab begat Naasson; and Naasson begat Salmon;
5And Salmon begat Booz of Rachab; and Booz begat Obed of Ruth; and Obed begat Jesse;
I could have pasted the entire chapter but you get the idea. Have sex and produce.
If you can give me one lie or one contradiction from Muhammad I will focus on it, but there are none.
Report Post »PapaPatriarch
Posted on May 6, 2012 at 6:23amProtestants use the Bible of chioce. There is always gonna be cults and cult Bibles, and cult translations. Do you stand by every cult of Islam, like the “Nation of Islam”? Most people won‘t believe the Koran is really God’s word when it tells people to kill Jews wherever you can find them, and convert or kill, or even the messed up system of government muslims want (shariah law). Did anyone else read the story how muslims want to have “farewell sex” with corpses legally? It was a story posted here last week.
Report Post »SurhanSurhan
Posted on May 6, 2012 at 6:58am@ PAPAPATRIARCH- “Protestants use the Bible of chioce. There is always gonna be cults and cult Bibles, and cult translations. Do you stand by every cult of Islam, like the “Nation of Islam”? Most people won‘t believe the Koran is really God’s word when it tells people to kill Jews wherever you can find them, and convert or kill, or even the messed up system of government muslims want (shariah law). Did anyone else read the story how muslims want to have “farewell sex” with corpses legally? It was a story posted here last week.”
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And that’s why you have so many different denominations of Christendom. I stand by the Qur’an. There is no such thing as a version of the Qur’an. Where in the Qur’an does it tell Muslims to kill Jews where ever you can find them or where it tells Muslims to force people to convert or kill them?
Here’s some free advice…don’t believe everything you read on the internet!! Muslims want to have sex with corpses (legally) (smh). What, is there an illegal way to have sex with a corpse?
Report Post »Favored93
Posted on May 6, 2012 at 9:34am@SurhanSurhan
Report Post »“Beget” doe NOT mean to have sex with …. The Bible clearly states God did not have sex with Mary but that she would have a child WITHOUT SEX!!! He (Yesua / Jesus) had no earthy father and so did not have the sin of Adam and because of that is qualified to pay for ours! “Begotten” in the bible speaks to who his father is.. The ONE AND ONLY GOD (conceived without sex)!!!
You have accused others of talking about the koran without reading it and now we see that you have clearly done the same! You are a hypocrite and a fool! You are knowingly following a religion that teaches you to kill for a god that is anti the one alive and true God and you know it don’t you!!!!????
SurhanSurhan
Posted on May 6, 2012 at 12:43pm@ FAVORED93- Psalm 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
So, God begat David too? David spoke these words 100 years before Jesus walked the earth.
Report Post »Restore the Republic
Posted on May 6, 2012 at 2:07pmNewsflash… Jesus was assassinated too… DOH!
Report Post »PapaPatriarch
Posted on May 6, 2012 at 2:07pm@surhan, Hey you think you could ask the other Muslims to stop blowing up church’s all over the earth? It’s a very poor debate form. The mutilations and acid baths to the faces of beautiful women could go also.
Report Post »kryptonite
Posted on May 6, 2012 at 3:37pmSurhanSurhan
At least your Bible scribes are more honest than you. In the most up-to-date versions of the Bible they had enough sense to throw the word out. Begat is a contaminated (meaning it has a certain meaning) word, it cannot be used as an attribute to describe something God did.
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Like I said before, you are an indoctrinated fool. Of course the contemporary versions don’t use the word “begat.” It’s archaic/obsolete.
=> “Begat is a contaminated (meaning it has a certain meaning) word, it cannot be used as an attribute to describe something God did.”
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You are making that up. I gave you some of MANY verses where “begat” is used in a non-sexual sense. It has an exclusively sexual meaning to YOU Muslims, absolutely not to God or those who penned the Bible or to us Christians.
=> “Begat/begot means to have sex and produce. Here are some examples:”
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Do you understand the linguistic concept of connotations? Are you that dumb?
fatpatriot
Posted on May 7, 2012 at 7:32amkryptonite, re:kicking surhann butt
Report Post »keep after him krytonite
Alessandre
Posted on May 7, 2012 at 9:42am@SurhanSurhan – 1st, isn‘t the name you’ve taken the same as the assassin of Robert Kennedy?
2nd, where are you getting your research? Are you aware that the Bible doesn’t have versions but rather translations. Different scholars (& those who call themselves scholars) are allowed to go to the most original texts we have, translate & publish them to their hearts content. Other religious & non-religious scholars weigh in & a popular translation today is gone tomorrow because it dumbed down or changed the meanings.
3rd, Christ’s ascension – Acts 1:9 (NIV) taken up into heaven; (Dhouay-Rheims) he was raised up; (KJV) he was taken up; (RSV) he was lifted up
4th, Paul’s use of the word “ascend” (including other tenses) – (NIV) ascended; Eph 4:8-10: (Dhouay-Rheims) ascended; (KJV) ascended; (RSV) ascended; (NKJV) ascended
On what are you basing your claims that the words “ascend”/“ascension”/et al. are being removed from the texts of Bibles? Which Bibles?
Report Post »kcinco
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 5:52pm“What we see in the left’s alliance with the jihadis…is that they hate America more than they hate anything else,” Spencer said. “They hate Western civilization, they hate christianity and they hate Judaism”….
Additionally, he went on to say that the left and Islamic extremists share similarities in that they both seek to establish what he called “an earthly Utopia.”
And this is exactly what we have in the white house right now. There can’t be any denying it. Why can’t we get him out?
Report Post »chips1
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 9:13pmBecause we didn’t replace enough Republicans with Americans. Nov. 7 will correct that problem.
Report Post »momrules
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 5:39pmI believe in God and I also believe in Satan. I believe that Muhammad was a man, a perverted man, an evil man that Satan used in his battle against God. Islam is a corruption of Christianity. The Koran and Muhammad‘s teachings are a corruption of of Christ’s teachings.
Christ taught love, life and hope. Muhammad taught hatred, perversion and death much as he practiced it in real life.
While I am not the scholar that Robert Spencer is that is my opinion after considerable study of my own. I would love to read his book though.
I do know that Robert Spencer is a brave warrior in the fight against Islam. He, Pam Gellar and other worthy opponents of the spread of this Islam should always be in our prayers.
Report Post »spirited
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 7:30pmA mis-treated orphan
who became a good salesman
that took in all hopeless out-casts to help fight his war.
An original group-therapist of “Yes WE Can”
Report Post »kryptonite
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 7:52pmSpot on, MOMRULES. Allah is just the Arabic name for Satan. In pre-Islamic times, Allah was simply the chief idol of any given tribe. Muhammad made it monotheistic, but as you rightly observe, Satan has no creative power, so he had to borrow the generic “Allah.”
Report Post »B.Greene1968
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 10:39pmThe names Baal and Molech come to mind also.
Report Post »justangry
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 5:37pmOk who did their homework on this expert?
Report Post »littleQueenie
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 5:54pmThis hypothesis, did Muhammad exist?, was explored in 2008 by Sven Muhammad Kalisch, a convert to Islam, who held the distinction as the first German University chair for teaching Muslim religious instructors in German public schools.
Report Post »His paper, “Islamic Theology without the Historical Mohammed” was the first work by a Muslim academic to dispute the Prophet’s Existence. He found that there are hardly any original Islamic sources from the first two centuries of Islam (and those are very suspect). There is no solid evidence of Muhammad until the third Islamic century (the 9th cent). His findings are very interesting and led him to apostate from Islam.
Islam cannot take the microscope of western thought and search for the truth. As Islam becomes more westernized, it becomes exposed and weaker and begins to die from the apathy and the absence of its followers. (So long as they have the western liberties of free will.)
Islam knows it is dying, that is why it is so dangerous. A wounded beast with nothing to lose will take most any risk to preserve itself.
I’m looking forward to reading Robert Spencer’s book on this subject and applaud him for all his work in exposing Islam.
kryptonite
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 9:11pm@littleQueenie
As Islam becomes more westernized… Islam knows it is dying, that is why it is so dangerous
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What on EARTH are you talking about? Islam never will become Westernized. Islam doesn’t give you the free will to choose whether you want to be a Muslim or not, or how you live as a Muslim. It invades every aspect of your life, whether you like it or not. You need to understand this: Islam is not a religion. It is a totalitarian ideology that uses religion as a means to infiltrate, subjugate and dominate.
=> “Islam knows it is dying, that is why it is so dangerous…”
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Queenie, Queenie, you must be a Ron Paul supporter, living out there in La-La land where Islam is not a threat. Let me update you: Islam is the fastest growing “religion” in the world, simply because the Muslim birth rate is off the charts. Muslims remain polygamous even when they move to the West, and reproducing like rabbits is one of Islam’s strategies for world domination.
I‘m afraid you’ve got it backwards. Following Jesus in these end times will be increasingly difficult, and as the Lord himself prophesied, “The love of many will grow cold.”
Report Post »littleQueenie
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 10:17pm@Kryptonite
Report Post »Islam is becoming westernized by exposure. Muslim’s that immigrate into western lands have fewer children within a generation. The population of Iran and Turkey is in decline. Modern educated Muslim women are having less children, less even than their European counterparts. The more exposure to the secular west, the more the Muslim womb closes. There is an interesting book I’m reading right now that has the statistics to these claims. It’s called “How Civilizations Die (and why Islam is dying too). It’s quite a different viewpoint than anything I’ve read before, but the facts are compelling.
Islam wants you believe it is the world’s fastest growing religion. This is just a case of puffing itself up. It only grows because of the huge birthrate among Muslims but that disappears within a generation of being exposed to the west and/or becoming educated. A Muslim woman whose mother had seven children will have two or less. More and more western Muslims do not attend mosque. We only hear about the radicals. As Muslims live in the west and are free to inquire they become less willing to reproduce. Considering that no world crisis other than population reduction occurs, Islam’s numbers would significantly decline by mid century.
To me it’s just proof that Islam cannot survive in the light. It needs the darkness of ignorance to proliferate.
kryptonite
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 11:56pm@littleQueenie
Modern educated Muslim women are having less children, less even than their European counterparts.
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First, are you following the news, Queenie? The ME is being completely Islamized, Turkey being one glaring example. Know this: Women don’t decide anything in Iran. Ajmadnutjob implemented “theocratic birth control” out of sheer necessity. The decline in Iran’s birth rate has to do with its failed economy, which is the result of financing the war on terror around the globe and implementing a secret nuke program. A very bad economy caused the marriage rate to drop significantly and prostitution became rampant. Women can’t have babies outside of marriage, thus the sharp decline in the birth rate. It has nothing to do with women becoming educated. You are buying into stupid, feminist, lib propaganda.
Listen, Queenie. You need to look at political Islam to understand what is happening in Europe. It is always the political branch that opens the way to Islamization and the people follow. Some stats:
=> “At least 85 sharia courts are now operating in Britain’s parallel Muslim society, while the number of mosques (1,689) now almost equals the number of Anglican churches that have recently closed (1,700).” http://www.europeanvoice.com/article/2012/may/islam-s-european-hope/74279.aspx
The left loves it, of course. Don’t be deceived by their praise of multiculturalism.
Report Post »littleQueenie
Posted on May 6, 2012 at 12:17am@Krypt, I know all about what’s happening in Europe with multi-culturism and immigration. If you could see my You Tube Channel you would see I know and agree with everything your saying.
What I’m saying is this is another view that is interesting because it is hopeful, and these days I find so little to be hopeful about the state of the world, particularly anything to do with Islam
The really interesting point I think the author of Why Civilizations Die is making is that civilizations die when they lose their hope or faith and quit reproducing. When people are so overcome with apathy or pursuit of personal pleasure, that they see no value in raising children, then the civilization depopulates itself, -cultural suicide.
Report Post »This author sees the population reduction happening in the Islamic world as a sign that Muslims themselves are becoming disillusioned with Islam.
And why wouldn’t they once they see the evidence?
I would rather se Islam implode than explode.
littleQueenie
Posted on May 6, 2012 at 12:42amAnd this cuts both ways. England has completely lost its faith so it is letting itself be conquered by an invading culture.
Report Post »It is committing cultural suicide because it has nothing to believe in – Apathy Kills!
kryptonite
Posted on May 6, 2012 at 3:57am@littleQueenie
We agree for the most part. Still, I contend the birth rate is not declining in most of the Muslim world.
Yeah, things will get pretty bad, esp. for women and children — for all of us Christians, really. If you read Revelation, it is clear that the Mahdi is the Antichrist. Thankfully, Jesus is coming back.
I need to correct an error in my previous comment. I meant Iran is financing jihad, not the war on terror. Time to get some shut eye. :)
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Report Post »SurhanSurhan
Posted on May 6, 2012 at 4:25am@ KRYPTONITE- Time to get a clue!
Report Post »momprayn
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 5:33pmYes, I’d say this kind of scrutiny is long overdue — hope it opens the eyes of as many as possible. But then, even when they do realize they’ve been duped, it’s sort of difficult to leave — since they threaten you with death if you do. Imagine that’s how they keep the cult growing.;…fear & ignorance.
Report Post »Another great book that gets into this is “God’s War on Terror” by Walid Shoebat – an ex-Muslim Palestinian terrorist who converted to Christianity…trying to educate the naive and ignorant. He said it goes back to ancient biblical times – in the worship of Baal (and satan). He explains where the name “Allah” came from – their symbols, all kinds of interesting things. Very enlightening.
spirited
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 7:35pmThis sounds similar to political-party finatics.
Report Post »iampraying4u
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 5:26pmLets just call him a false prophet who could not even read or write.
Report Post »lel2007
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 5:22pmWell we know the person called obama exists, we just don’t know much more than that.
Report Post »PilgrimStuckInBizarroWorld
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 7:24pmThat’s Too Funny!
Report Post »philipzhao
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 7:29pmI wonder if BHO wipes …….with his left hand or one hand washes the other ?!
Report Post »spirited
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 8:00pm@PHILIPZAO: You bring up a good point.
If the left hand is used to wipe
and not for direct contact with the common-food-bowl
nor, for hand-shaking
>why is the right hand considered clean?
Report Post »The Gooch
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 5:20pmWhat’s expected and understandable is this question will enrage and possibly motivate zealots of Islam. These folks are conditioned to never question any Muslim matter. My brother-in-law is a Jordanian Muslim… nice enough fello. Meek, helpful… and never willing to discuss his religion other than to assert it is not to be questioned and all should submit to it.
Report Post »What’s laughable is how the progressives and leftists will gnash their teeth and respond with emotion rather than reasoned debate. This is the same merry band that asserts all matters are closed on the matter of man-caused global warming, but are exposed time and again as having agendas for selling this “the sky is falling” routine. Their prophets in this new age religion were exposed to be colluding and manipulating data… so the ol’ Wizard of Oz routine was laughably played out. “Ignore the man behind the curtain!” For a collective that asserts it’s more enlightened and predisposed to science as opposed to faith, I find actions speak louder than words. Any power that can be used to assert control over the masses can and should be used (per teh left). However, I believe the left and progressives underestimate Islam. With any battle between those concerns, I see Islam easily triumphing and the left wailing, “But we were on your side!”
Man or myth, the Islamic brand is here to stay. I’m not expecting a “The Da Vinci Code” pop story a la Islam anytime soon….
spirited
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 7:42pmGood writing GOOCH !
It’s comparable to being in, and staying sorrowfully in, a really (really) bad marriage –for years.
Report Post »{8^>Then, telling people how to be happily married; based on personal knowledge.
blackyb
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 5:16pmWell that gives me hope. Someone has some spine. This man is a hero. Those who want the spread of Islam are evil. They are like the ones not reproved by the man in our highest office and those who do want Christianity wiped off the face of the earth, but who want to appear to have been some type Christians but are Christians in name only. They use others to do their dirty work and hide behind those who are willing to kill or be killed to get their point across. Their faces are hidden so they can set policy that works agains and weakens the American people. These do not realize it, but their deaths and lives are in vain. Truth keeps shinning through. They cannot extinguish the Light. The light of this world is here until time for it to leave and the leaving will on the terms set forth by God the Creator.This man who writes these books is very brave and is willing to make himself a target to allow Truth to shine forth. May God Bless him and keep him safe.
Report Post »spirited
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 7:51pmAmen.
Report Post »I support God's Israel!
Posted on May 6, 2012 at 4:28pmIslam is a fairy tale based on LIES OF SATAN.
Report Post »HorseCrazy
Posted on May 7, 2012 at 11:36pmI love jihadwatch his site I read it everyday. God bless Robert Spencer and Pam Gellar. Brave folks willing to take a public stand
Report Post »vic138
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 5:12pmI am extremely conservative, but not religious. I’ve studied judaism and early christianity and have come to the conclusion that jesus is a myth…
Whether Mohamed is a myth or not, is pointless.
We need to decide what is right. I’ve decided that among these two fictional characters, jesus is the best…
Report Post »Abraham Young
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 5:31pmWell, Vic, you are out of step with scores of scholars who are not Christian but nonetheless accept the existence of Jesus as a historical verity. Many secular histories of the same opinion exist.
How did you come to your often overlooked perspective?
Report Post »spirited
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 7:56pm@VIC138
“We need to decide what is right. I’ve decided that among these two fictional characters, jesus is the best…”
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Well, at least Jesus –from the perspective of being just a ‘thought’… an ‘idea’, –is good
>comparred to evil.
Report Post »Alessandre
Posted on May 7, 2012 at 8:27amHave you read Josephus & Tacitus? What sources are you using? Original (on the spot) sources?
Report Post »PapaPatriarch
Posted on May 7, 2012 at 8:37amThe Koran is written by one man and is hard to confirm the story of one. The Bible was written by many men and many witnesses, much more reliable historically, it was also written over thousands of years not in one sitting from a cult leader. The written eyewitness testimony of several witnesses will even hold up in a court of law. Pretend we found the scattered writtings of 30 different men from different places and historical times that all winessed events in groups and wrote about them meticulously, with dates and geographical locations, and the writting all were verifialble historically, and coincided details matched in decription of events. It’s much harder to disprove this as the evidence is in the many confirmable eyewitness accounts. If you can’t believe this mountain of evidence for the Bible, then i beleive you would have trouble proving ANY written history of any person or time, since all we have left of most events older than 500 years, is written history from witnesses who seen it. Written history is how we educate our children about any ancient empires beliefs, customs, and language. Do you think this was all made up as well, because there is more written eyewitness evidence of the events in the Bible than any other ancient event in all of history.
Report Post »skippy6
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 5:10pmThe left can make friends with Islam all they want, but in the end they will be considered infidels and will die by beheading….Islam lies…..resistance is futile…..
Report Post »blackyb
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 5:18pmThe Truth wins. Their portion is death. They lose. They want to die for a lie, then so be it.
Report Post »jaylew
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 5:03pmOh…..this is unbelievable….you mean all the fanatical fundamentalist islamists world wide have been kneeling down before a cartoon and worshiping Superman the entire time over the last 1400 years?
LOLOLOLOLOLOL….all righty then…Alcohol Tobacco & Firearms….who‘s bringin’ the chips?
Report Post »blackyb
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 5:17pmWe all knew that, but it feels good to hear someone say it who has researched and documented facts concerning this to where even skeptics would have reason to take a second look.
Report Post »ProgressiveDeist267
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 5:02pmThis sounds very interesting. I would have to check it out!
Report Post »Lloyd Drako
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 5:02pmSpencer seems to be suggesting that Muhammad was a real man, but that “Islam” was a collaborative effort by 7th-century Arabs who at some point decided, and maybe even believed, that he had been the founder of their movement. Interesting, and, despite Spencer’s obvious anti-Muslim bias, not at all impossible! Islam’s greatest failing is its resistance to serious historical study of its own origins.
Report Post »kryptonite
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 10:34pmThe claim that the Qur’an was a collaborative effort has been out there for a while. That is probably true. This should be an interesting read.
Report Post »spirited
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 5:00pmCould he be called a “bow-tying white boy” ?
Report Post »blackyb
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 5:19pmIf that is a new line about Truth seekers, he would probably say so.
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 4:56pmWhat a Stupid Question!
Report Post »TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 4:56pmThe Truth About Muhammad was a great read… looking forward to reading this one.
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