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Discovery Channel‘s ’Frozen Planet‘ Won’t Blame Man-Made Global Warming — And Enviros are Upset

Frozen Planet Leaves Causes of Global Warming Out of Series

(Photo: "Frozen Planet" via Discovery Channel)

Since mid-March, Americans with access to the Discovery Channel on Sunday evenings have perhaps been tuning in to the wildlife documentary “Frozen Planet.” The series finale was extended to end on Earth Day — Sunday, April 22 — with its final episode detailing the effects of climate change on the harsh yet fragile ecosystem of the Arctic.

(Related: ‘Frozen Planet’ premiers in U.S. with ‘amazing natural drama’ — climate change rhetoric to follow)

According to environmentalists and some scientists though, there was something missing from last night’s episode “On Thin Ice.” That is, what is causing these effects.

On Friday, the New York Times reported the show was being criticized by some in these groups for being too accommodating and “afraid” of upsetting “dismissives,” or those who don’t consider global warming a man-made problem:

“Many organizations, and it sounds like Discovery is one of them, appear to be more afraid of being criticized by climate change ‘dismissives’ than they are willing to provide information about climate change to the large majority of Americans who want to know more about it,” said Anthony Leiserowitz, the director of the Yale Project on Climate Change Communication.

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“It’s kind of like doing a powerful documentary about lung cancer and leaving out the part about the cigarettes,” said Bill McKibben, a scholar and climate change activist. “There’s no scientific mystery here: the poles are changing because we’re burning so much carbon.”

Frozen Planet Leaves Causes of Global Warming Out of Series

(Photo: Frozen Planet via Discovery Channel)

The Times reports series producer Vanessa Berlowitz saying they did not include a cause to climate change one way or the other because it “would have undermined the strength of an objective documentary, and would then have become utilized by people with political agendas.” She told the Times they didn’t want people saying “‘Don’t watch this show because it has a slant on climate change.’”

(Related: Faking wildlife scenes not uncommon in BBC documentaries)

Frozen Planet Leaves Causes of Global Warming Out of Series

(Photo: "Frozen Planet" via Discovery Channel)

Discovery President Eileen O’Neill is reported as emphasizing the fact this was a natural history documentary. Even David Attenborough who narrated the final episode of “Frozen Planet” — actor Alec Baldwin narrated the pervious six of the series in the U.S. — leaves some questions open for debate:

Shown standing at the North Pole, Mr. Attenborough told viewers: “The days of the Arctic Ocean being covered by a continuous sheet of ice seem to be past. Whether or not that’s a good or bad thing, of course, depends on your point of view.”

Mr. Attenborough then noted the new opportunities for energy exploitation and commercial shipping. But he did not note that the vast majority of scientists believe that human activities are contributing to the warming trends evident there.

Frozen Planet Leaves Causes of Global Warming Out of Series

(Photo: "Frozen Planet" via Discovery Channel)

Others have weighed in on what wasn’t said in the series in comments and on Twitter, including singer and actress Bette Midler.

Frozen Planet Leaves Causes of Global Warming Out of Series

Frozen Planet Leaves Causes of Global Warming Out of SeriesStill, it should be noted that the majority of comments and tweets on the series were positive and focused on the stunning footage of the environment and wildlife imagery.

What do you think? Was Discovery and BBC, which also co-produced the series, correct to leave discussion over the cause of climate change out of the series?

Comments (147)

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  • tzion
    Posted on April 23, 2012 at 12:00pm

    In other words “We’re hear to educate and teach the fact not to indoctrinate. You can leave your opinions and personal beliefs at the door.”

    These people should be teaching our schools how it’s done.

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    • Detroit paperboy
      Posted on April 23, 2012 at 12:12pm

      Gotta keep their industry alive and well…..it’s all about money, power and control, nothing more !

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    • Detroit paperboy
      Posted on April 23, 2012 at 12:14pm

      Liberals should commit mass suicides immediately , in order to save the planet…….

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    • Detroit paperboy
      Posted on April 23, 2012 at 12:19pm

      I bet these enviro morons all
      Drive cars or suv,s
      Use coal powered electricity
      Have larger houses than most people
      Use paper and plastic at the grocery store
      Have exterminators treat their homes
      Have hot tubs
      And make their living off environmental causes………

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    • turkey13
      Posted on April 23, 2012 at 1:54pm

      If Bette Milder wants evidence that it is man made she needs to talk to her buddies – Big Nose Striesand who lives on the beach. If all that ice meltd it would wipe her out. Her other buddie Al Gore bought a 10 $$ Million massion on the beach in California. Al only squaked to get rich and he did.

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    • RLTW
      Posted on April 23, 2012 at 2:08pm

      I noticed the same thing during Discovery show called “Ice age Columbus” as they explain the polar ice melt 30 thousand years ago.

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    • ProbIemSoIver
      Posted on April 23, 2012 at 2:13pm

      This Viral video that has 90,000 hits in the past 12 hours, explains exactly why the Discovery Channel did not claim man-made global warming. Because our climate change is a natural occurance.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZ-4gnNz0vc

      It is not the left that want a green agenda. It is the global elite that have brainwashed the left
      into helping them carry out their agenda under this “Democracy rules” cancerous ideology of the American left.
      The founding Fathers hated democracy, and thought it was the worst form of government there was.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RewUP-Fdhqk

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    • Favored93
      Posted on April 23, 2012 at 2:17pm

      Agreed …. I am glad they did not discredit the show by accusing man of being powerful enough to change the climate… a COW produces more “green house gasses” then my gas guzzling SUV!!!!
      The communists are the ones pushing the warming agenda that has no scientific basis. This is now and has always been about power and control. If they can convince the dumb masses they are killing the earth then they can regulate what we do and how we do it to protect the planet.
      I do however agree that we can pollute an area by dumping our crap on the ground or in the water but an area is not the planet…. We do need to be good stewards of what we have but this has become the road to tyranny not about stewardship of resources.
      Glad they are making an attempt at honesty it is refreshing :)

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    • pavepaws
      Posted on April 23, 2012 at 3:09pm

      I always consider going to Bette Midler for climatological information. It must be the hot air she spews. Cudos to Discovery for being unbiased. It probably killed them.

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    • ACLUHater
      Posted on April 23, 2012 at 3:28pm

      Add Middler to the growing list of Stooges.

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    • WeekendAtBernankes
      Posted on April 23, 2012 at 9:38pm

      I‘m glad Nobel Laureate Bette Midler could weigh in and share the knowledge she’s acquired through a decade of higher education and a career of scientific research.

      Oh wait.

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  • aggiebrewer
    Posted on April 23, 2012 at 11:50am

    Well…. Objectivity being criticized by a lefty with the opinion that if someone is not preaching his version of scripture they are a heretic.

    Next thing you know they will blame the rich for making their wealth and demand social justice as a way to hide their communist intentions.

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  • Palousie
    Posted on April 23, 2012 at 11:37am

    Discovery Channel. THANK YOU!!. Thank you for not participating in the hysteria. Thank you for proffering information without the politically correct spin that pseudo-science demands.
    Modern science suffers from Grass Hopper Syndrome. They are great on distance but lousy on direction. They have extrapolated conclusions based on their own political convictions and willingness to compromise truth for funding. Lies for politics and money.

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  • OneTermPresident
    Posted on April 23, 2012 at 11:35am

    Sometimes the funded ones slip up and the truth comes out…

    OTTMAR EDENHOFER: “First of all, developed countries have basically expropriated the atmosphere of the world community. But one must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy. Obviously, the owners of coal and oil will not be enthusiastic about this. One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole.”

    For the record, Edenhofer was co-chair of the IPCC’s Working Group III, and was a lead author of the IPCC’s Fourth Assessment Report released in 2007

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  • butler180
    Posted on April 23, 2012 at 11:35am

    If the New York Times hates a nature show, it must be good.

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  • butler180
    Posted on April 23, 2012 at 11:33am

    Was afraid to watch the show as I thought that it was another “it’s our fault” program as others have been in the past.
    Now I will watch it.
    Thanks V. Berlowitz

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    • humba-labumbala-seebala-bumbala
      Posted on April 23, 2012 at 3:02pm

      I know. As soon as the narrator comes in with” Dr. such and such made an alarming discovery that coincides with the melting of this glacier” ,I know to switch to something else.

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  • SHOESHINEBOY
    Posted on April 23, 2012 at 11:27am

    I did not plan on watching the show because I wsa sure it was going to be a lie and preach job by the wacko lefites, spewing their false “made up science fiction” about “”“waaaaaaarrrrrrmmminnng” and how if we don’t end all of human existance, (except for the select communist left) that the earth is doomed. Still, they did “bring the lie” implied into it, it sounds like they didn’t “pound the lie” every second of the film, like the “communists” want, which the “warming lie” is only about communist control of everything.

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    • chezhockey
      Posted on April 23, 2012 at 11:51am

      The problem with the “lung cancer / man-made global warming” analogy is that it is a proven fact that smoking can cause cancer. However, Man-made global warming is a theory backed up by bull-ship pseudo science and relies on misinformation and down right fabrication of “facts” to prove what cannot be proved…a negative. You can’t prove someone murdered someone if the victim is sitting in the court room, eh?

      The problem with the left and Mrs. Anthony Leiserowitz is they want to misuse every piece of research that is put forward to further thier cause, and if it doesn’t support said cause, they want it changed to do so or stricken from the record. That failing they will attack with a vengeance what they do not like, regardless of the science behind it…

      Typical.

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    • Canada_Goose
      Posted on April 23, 2012 at 2:38pm

      The problem with the “lung cancer / man-made global warming” analogy is that it is a proven fact that smoking can cause cancer.
      ____________________________

      Tobacco companies still deny the link since it takes decades for lung cancer to develop and non-smokers develop lung cancer. They can muddy the waters, obfuscate, and question the scientific research so that they never have to actually come clean on the dangers of their product.

      It is infinitely easier for the man-made global warming deniers to essentially do the same thing since the time scales are geological and there is natural variation in atmospheric temperatures. Despite this there overwhelming agreement among the vast majority of scientists that the earth is warming and burning fossil fuels is the cause.

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  • TLS
    Posted on April 23, 2012 at 11:05am

    The truth! What a concept.

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  • RodT82721
    Posted on April 23, 2012 at 11:03am

    Global Warming is a made for scam for the left.

    All they have to do is get a few pin-heads in academia to produce some papers that claim to have discovered that the planet is being destroyed by SUV’s and they have their issue. Something to use to gain control of governments with the help of a few high placed devotees and a complaint media.

    Their problem lies in the fact they can’t prove it!
    Lots of theories, but then when people start to understand the cost of their theories, and start looking for some proof, they find lies. Distorted data, false data, omitted data, all in the name of saving the planet. (And getting your moeny.)

    It got so bad they had to drop the Global Warming for climate change!
    Now really, when hasn’t the climate been changing?
    We used to call it the seasons, now they say we need to stop using fossil fuels, because we have seasons. Some seasons are warmer or cooler then usual! Only they may decide what is ‘usual’.

    IMHO if these saviors of our climate want another tax dollar, they MUST provide actual proof of the ability to use those dollars to ‘improve’ the climate. No proof no dollars. JMO

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  • grimmy
    Posted on April 23, 2012 at 10:58am

    Funny how these crackpots never mention the iceage scare they tried to create in the 70′s. Polution mostly “smog” was causing the planet to get colder by blocking out the sun,now its just the opposite. Come on you idiots, make you mind up.I also find it funny, that America is the ONLY nation that pollutes,and is causing global warming………

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    • KeystoneState
      Posted on April 23, 2012 at 11:11am

      I thought global warming stopped when “Leader O” seized power.

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  • RockyMarshall
    Posted on April 23, 2012 at 10:53am

    I enjoyed this program and was pleasantly surprised that they left Politics out of it. It was so surprising that I said several times to my wife “ok, this will be where they do it” Nada. A pleasant surprise, and enjoyable program.

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    • tflfnf
      Posted on April 23, 2012 at 11:17am

      Rockymarshall
      I agree. The photography was truly amazing and I too was surprised not to be slammed with the dire too-much-carbon message that never came. Refreshing change.

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  • Nickallsopp
    Posted on April 23, 2012 at 10:48am

    Global warming. Meh, I honestly don‘t it’s a man made problem. The Wold climate always changes, at on point it is believed that North Africa was once a vast jungle. At other points Antartica was once a habital land mass. And of course every 10,000-20,000 yrs we end up with a new ice age. Our last one was, what 10,000 yrs ago give or take, and now the planet is starting to heat up little and the polar ice have melted a little bit? The planet is still thawing an so yeah we’re warming up a little, but technically speaking the planet has warming up since the end our last ice age.

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    • Evileye
      Posted on April 23, 2012 at 11:06am

      Hell It all those cow farting;
      Maybe we should kill all the wildebeest in Africa and the wild life in Alaska.
      Next will be your dog then Grand Ma.

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    • G-WHIZ
      Posted on April 23, 2012 at 11:44am

      Before the first “iceage” melted, all that is now “above-water” was underwater…all that is underwater was above-water. As the earth cooled-all-over , it shrunk, rinkled, and cracked, and wrose-and-fell. Water condensed, evaporated, rained-down, and saught it’s own level, flowing into dips and cracks in earth’s surface(ever-changing). The shrinking caused the molton(very-HOT) minerals to squeeze-out to the surface(mountains for those in reolinda)…the largest active volcano in the world=Yellowstone! It’s agenda is still in the forefront…boiling, roilling, heaving… .

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    • Alessandre
      Posted on April 23, 2012 at 1:50pm

      Actually, we have mini-ice ages & warm periods in different parts of the world every few hundred year. There was an ice age in North America & Europe in the 19th century: people skated on the frozen Thames, it was possible to sleigh from Manhattan to Staten Island across the frozen Hudson River, Germany – literature & old records are filled w/ descriptions of the excessive cold. During the “middle ages,” there was another ice age. On the other hand, warm periods during the past millennium allowed the Vikings to place settlements on Greenland & travel to North America; not so many years ago we experienced several extremely warm years when the el nino tide had a powerful affect on the weather. The is a living planet in the sense that it is in constant change & growth. Great climate changes usually do occur in 10 – 20 thousand year cycles but smaller changes occur over much briefer periods.

      I do wish the anthropomorphic climate change scaremongers would stop shouting because we need to be prepared & help those who need it prepare for colder & warmer periods. The scaremongers are anti-human. We need to accept the earth changes & ask what we need to do to care for ourselves & our less fortunate neighbours.t

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  • WhiteFang
    Posted on April 23, 2012 at 10:47am

    For this is what Jehovah has said, the Creator of the heavens, He the [true] God, the Former of the earth and the Maker of it, He the One who firmly established it, who did not create it simply for nothing, who formed it even to be inhabited: “I am Jehovah, and there is no one else. – Isaiah 45:18

    So, do not worry, our earth will be just fine. Our God will not allow mankind to destroy His beautiful creation. Revelation 4:11

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    • Tjmercer
      Posted on April 23, 2012 at 12:06pm

      I do not beleive in man made global warming a bit, but what book has that last verse in it? My Rev 4:11 doen’t say that!

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    • Tjmercer
      Posted on April 23, 2012 at 12:08pm

      Revelation 4:11 TNIV

      “You are worthy, our Lord and God,

      to receive glory and honor and power,

      for you created all things,

      and by your will they were created

      and have their being.”

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    • WhiteFang
      Posted on April 23, 2012 at 12:39pm

      tjmercer,

      In referencing Revelation 4:11 it was not to imply my comment said what the scripture said. It was merely a reference to the Creator’s will and purpose for the earth and universe.
      In the New World Translation, Revelation reads; “You are worthy, Jehovah, even our God, to receive the glory and the honor and the power, because you created all things, and because of your will they existed and were created.”

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    • 4truth2all
      Posted on April 23, 2012 at 12:40pm

      What if … it is the Lord that caused the sun to warm so that the Artic ice would melt enough so that men could gain access to the vast amounts of oil reserves that God stored away and are needed for such a time as this … what if global warming repackaged as climate change is a lie of satan to take away from the TRUTH of God and His intended purposes …what if …

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    • JACKTHETOAD
      Posted on April 23, 2012 at 2:08pm

      @^ – Whack the bastid till you can’t whack him anymore!

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    • Old Truckers
      Posted on April 23, 2012 at 4:56pm

      Jack, are you on the wrong page?

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  • crusaderx9
    Posted on April 23, 2012 at 10:47am

    Liberal “science” = propaganda.

    All the intellectual dishonesty, selective sampling, purposeful distortion of research/conclusions, etc have been all too obvious for even Discovery Channel to tolerate.

    The earth warms, the earth cools, the earth has changing weather long before the Industrial Revolution yet citizens around the world are constantly bombarded with trends and changing weather being used as a political tool without scientific integrity.

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    • Jive Mickey
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 8:00am

      GlowingBall Warming – AD 800 to about 1250 was definitely man made.
      The Barbarians, Attila, Khan, the Moslem hordes and the Vikings raping and pillaging, and burning villages, coupled with the Greeks, Persians and Romans duking it out, burning ships and cities, put excessive CO2 in the air, causing the Northern Poles to melt, creating the legendary “Northern Passage” allowing the Chinese to sail over the top of North America and Vikings to raid Northern port villages in Russia in November. This is not to mention the American Indians driving around in their Mustangs and dancing around fires.
      Some people need a gigantic “Carbon Footprint” planted on their backsides.

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  • dadsrootbeer
    Posted on April 23, 2012 at 10:46am

    Blaming humans for climate change is nothing more than a means to promote an agenda for government to take control and wealth from individuals. That‘s why it conveniently fits right in with Obammy’s socialist leadership.

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  • Sara123
    Posted on April 23, 2012 at 10:45am

    The radicals have not figured out yet that their scam to take over energy use (control over the central means of production) is up. People know the climate is not stagnant and that the planet warms and cools. It was warming in the days of the dinosaurs and they weren’t hanging out with man driving SUVs.

    Obama is purposfully raising gas prices in the US to manipulate people’s ability to trave. This is like the Soviet Union by another means. If only he could have a KGB of his own. Oops, Homeland inSecurity serves that purpose. This country has gotten beyond creepy.

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  • 9111315
    Posted on April 23, 2012 at 10:44am

    Back in the day, we just called it weather.

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    • aggiebrewer
      Posted on April 23, 2012 at 11:56am

      Back when I was in elementary school we heard about the first Earth Day. It focused on GLOBAL COOLING and the next ICE AGE that was upon us. Scientists actually said we needed to melt the poles to prevent the next ice age. To do this we needed to put (you guessed it) coal over the ice….science is NEVER settled.

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  • Jaycen
    Posted on April 23, 2012 at 10:42am

    Discovery can say whatever they like. I stopped watching years ago. They’ve been fully in bed with environmentalists for more than a decade. Discovery is a sham. Non-science.

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    • AvengerK
      Posted on April 23, 2012 at 11:11am

      And that’s why Discovery made it a point to attempt to avoid blaming AGW on this series. They’ve lost viewers. I don’t watch the channel anymore either. Never once do these “scientists” mention that the earth’s climate has a history of cooling and warming. Nah..it must be man-made.

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    • phillyatheist
      Posted on April 23, 2012 at 11:13am

      your loss. the rest of us will continue to stay informed and entertained. this stuff is brilliant.

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    • AvengerK
      Posted on April 23, 2012 at 1:29pm

      Brilliant PHILLY? Really? I particularly like the footage of the “poor Polar bears” used to manipulate dolts like you. While you were asleep at the altar of AGW you forgot to inform yourself that the guy who was telling us about dead polar bears and cited extensively by Algore- Charles Monnett, an Anchorage-based “scientist” with the U.S. Bureau of Ocean Energy Management, Regulation and Enforcement, or BOEMRE- was told last July that he was being put on leave, pending results of an investigation into his “integrity issues.”.
      Yes PHILLY…he lied to you.
      Oh and the Fish and Wildlife Service preserved the Bush administration’s stand that Polar Bears are not endangered. But the warming alarmists like you will continue to use the polar bear as a symbol of their cause because – admit it – they’re so darn cute.
      I‘ll tell you what’s actually brilliant PHILLY….its the way you’ve been manipulated to believe man is the problem so that your fellow lefty travellers can extort wealth and grab power for themselves. You want try me on this point? Go ahead champ..I‘ll have you crying in the foetal position before it’s over.

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    • phillyatheist
      Posted on April 23, 2012 at 2:56pm

      Avengerk – wow, all i said is that this program, and many others like it (Life, Planet Earth) are brilliant. i personally believe that man is the cause of global warming, but that’s b/c i’ve actually looked at the data (peer reviewed) and i tend to believe the scientists, who incidentally, toil in obscurity and do not drive fancy cars and live in mansions. there’s not a lot of money to be made in Science, but there sure is in denial – i.e. Glenn Beck, Koch Bros., Rush Limbaugh, ALEC.

      regardless, admitting warming is the first step. it‘s not unreasonable to disbelieve in man’s role in this as the Science is far from finished. most evidence, and logic, show that releasing millions of years of “fossil fuels” into the environment in the geological blink of an eye is not helping our planet, and likely adding if not fueling (pun intended) Global Warming. hey, if you can at least admit that the Earth is warming it’s a start.

      ok, now make me cry. i’ll be waiting.

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    • punyhuman
      Posted on April 24, 2012 at 1:53am

      Philly, that phrase you used… ‘fueling global warming’ caught my attention. I don‘t think it’s all manmade, that’s an incredibly arrogant view that man alone can cause such great changes on such a large scale. But like throwing a dried out piece of cedar on a bonfire, man’s addition to the global heating cycles is a small part of something much bigger than global warming paranoiacs want anyone to believe, yet it doesn’t make that much difference in the heat of the fire.
      Since I don‘t know what’ll happen tomorrow, or the day after, it’s too soon to tell if this changing weather is good, bad or indifferent. I just want to be around to find out.

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  • Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
    Posted on April 23, 2012 at 10:39am

    Let the eco-extremists howl for all they are worth (which is not much), the truth needs to come out that global warming is a myth and a bad one at that.

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  • NOMOBIGDRAMANOBAMA
    Posted on April 23, 2012 at 10:39am

    Me thinks thou (enviro types) doth protest too much.

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  • DIVINEPROVIDENCE1776
    Posted on April 23, 2012 at 10:38am

    The ice is melting from all the hot air coming out of the marxists mouths.

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  • HKS
    Posted on April 23, 2012 at 10:35am

    I had pegged this as more global warming propaganda to legitimize raping the American people from the start and didn’t bother to watch any of it.

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    • RockyMarshall
      Posted on April 23, 2012 at 10:45am

      I actually watched this this weekend, it was on the Chanel so I let it run. I commented to my wife ,once I had watched a bit ,my surprise that it left the issue alone for the most part. I enjoyed the program, which surprised me,

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  • Kankokage
    Posted on April 23, 2012 at 10:34am

    At least the folks at Discovery are courageous enough to accept the truth that we don’t know of any actual effect of CO2 emissions on the environment. There are lots of people willing to toss out poor correlations, but actual evidence is surprisingly missing.

    We do know how clouds affect the environment, though. And we know what makes clouds. And we know what controls the things that makes clouds. The answer to all of these questions involves many words, but “humans” and “CO2” are not included.

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  • TXPilot
    Posted on April 23, 2012 at 10:31am

    The climate has changed constantly for millions of years, so humans didn’t create that. However, in recent times, what certain lying humans have done, is invent the conspiracy to lie about climate change, and use it as a political tool to control and subjugate others.

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    • Gonzo
      Posted on April 23, 2012 at 10:41am

      I saw a show about mining in the Bolivian desert for Rare Earth minerals. They dug through layers in the desert that indicated that it was once jungle with heavy vegitation. Thousands of years ago the jungle turned to desert, long before the use of fossil fuels. Did alien SUVs once roam the Earth?

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    • justangry
      Posted on April 23, 2012 at 10:49am

      I had an environmental history prof. who said there was a 111K warming : 89K cooling trend that has existed for millions of years, using ice cores samples as evidence. (Ohio State stores many of the samples) He said we’re supposed to be on a cooling trend, but temps are rising. He was actually fairly conservative for a history prof, so wouldn’t rush to any judgements about wheter or not it was man-made. Dude was sharp. 3 Ph.Ds. Evironmental history, Physics and Math. I wish there were more like him, because as sharp as he was, he still would say, “I don’t know”. I‘m pretty sure if he doesn’t know… neither does anyone else. Regardless, even if they did, there’s nothing ethical that can be done about it.

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    • Gonzo
      Posted on April 23, 2012 at 11:08am

      Yep, rising 1.5 degrees over the last 50 years. I don‘t deny it’s rise, just the proposed cure.

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    • HorseCrazy
      Posted on April 23, 2012 at 11:17am

      gonzo I do believe it was alien suv’s. now how can we use that to our political advantage

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    • justangry
      Posted on April 23, 2012 at 11:22am

      Right on, Gonzo.

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    • Rayblue
      Posted on April 23, 2012 at 12:37pm

      gonzo…“Earth in Upheaval”. Velikovsky.
      It’s a dry read but covers the geology accurately.

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  • HorseCrazy
    Posted on April 23, 2012 at 10:30am

    do these leftist idiots not realize that certain glaciers are getting larger? that our climate changes in cycles and has nothing to do with their political agenda? wait no, its always all about them never about the truth

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