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Disturbing NYT Report: Afghan Women Increasingly Setting Themselves on Fire
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A New York Times video details the increasing practice of Afghan women setting themselves on fire to escape the troubles of the war-torn country. It’s called self-immolation. Content WARNING: The images contained in the report are disturbing:





















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trukmek
Posted on November 9, 2010 at 11:47amWaste of a human life.
Report Post »Wonder if Amnesty International is going to scream about American inhumane treatments?
Wonder if the Greenies are going to go after them for greenhouse gases?
Dstarr55
Posted on November 9, 2010 at 11:43amUntameable – I can’t agree with you more. Any religion, no matter how peaceful it pretends to be, if it treats others, either within their religion or outside it, as second class citizens then it is a odious belief system. I am astounded how the left placate the Muslim faith – such as the judge who halted the implantation of a state amendment banning Sharia Law. Where is their sense of justice in protecting the weakest among us? Women who rather painfully kill themselves because of the wrath or shame of their family is disturbing. Can we hear the outcry from the women’s organizations or are they still too busy calling Meg Whitman a whore?
Report Post »temple62
Posted on November 9, 2010 at 11:42amThis great news! Now can we get them to set their men folk on fire as well? Sure would shorten the length of the war!
untameable-kate
Posted on November 9, 2010 at 12:55pmThat is not even close to funny you pig. Go to confession and get your pennance for that remark. You are more of an animal than they are, YOU know better.
Report Post »mavsfan75
Posted on November 9, 2010 at 11:39amThis is a very sad story, unfortunately there are many other sad stories concerning the people of Afghanistan. I live in Kabul and have been living in parts of Afghanistan for the last 6 years. These people here for the most part are hard working and decent folk who only need guidance and education and they would flouish. Sadly though, their government is extremely corrupt and with the Taliban on the opposite side condemning education and basic human rights, I believe that the people here are doomed for many years to come.
Report Post »michelepfaff
Posted on November 9, 2010 at 11:39amI could not watch after a few moments – horrendous. How can a religion bring such despair to it’s followers? Thank God I live in America. Thank God we are free…at least for now.
Report Post »threedoor
Posted on November 9, 2010 at 11:32amSo sad, and incredibly sick. Makes me even more glad my brothers are over there fighting.
Report Post »dailey4jesus
Posted on November 9, 2010 at 11:31amThis is proof that the politically correct method of our war in Afghanistan is wreaking it’s havoc. This is reality people. Everything about the US is based on Judeo-Christian principles. If you can;t take that hope with you when you go to foreign nations then you leave them hopeless and this is what you get. We fool ourselves thinking that we can export liberty and freedom to a people who have NO concenpt of this. These inalienable human rights are from the Creator and he is NOT Allah. Allah is diametrically opposed to these freedoms and rights. WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!!!!! The house is on fire and our nation says “leave me alone I want to go back to sleep” or “why do you insist on warning me about my burning house, you are such a hater”
Report Post »GardenoftheGods
Posted on November 9, 2010 at 12:01pmAmen!!!
Report Post »momsense
Posted on November 9, 2010 at 11:30amOne of the benefits of Sharia law, no doubt
Report Post »Disabledvet
Posted on November 9, 2010 at 11:30amThe women have it all wrong start setting the men that beat them on fire and join forces to take over the land. But hey that is exactly what is coming to the USA.
Report Post »KE_in_IA
Posted on November 9, 2010 at 1:19pm@ Vet — My thoughts exactly! These women need to grab ahold of the power and start giving the men a taste of their own bitter, cruel medicine.
Report Post »Lion420
Posted on November 9, 2010 at 11:29amThis is “just another religion” “just another way of thinking” it’s the same as all the other religions of the world right? Where are the Bible verses that condone such things as treating women like property? Which parts of the Talmud tell you to lie, torture and murder? Islam is just like the rest right?
Report Post »WILLIAM E.
Posted on November 9, 2010 at 1:52pmIslam is more like a gang w/ a written rule book. It is incompatible w/ a civilized society !!!
Report Post »WILLIAM E.
Posted on November 9, 2010 at 11:28am& the Left Keeps saying Islam is a Peace Loving Religion !!!
Report Post »Speak without Fear
Posted on November 9, 2010 at 12:08pmAnd the left would have you believe if there was only more acceptance and understanding for Islam……….this wouldn’t happen. (liberal hogwash)
At this point I don’t see much difference between Islam ideology and the liberal ideology. They are one in the same…..end result is the same. A miserable exsistance….a miserable life…….of hate and death. IMHO
Report Post »mrlogan3
Posted on November 9, 2010 at 1:24pmhttp://blogout.justout.com/?p=23882
http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/lenox-second-city/2010/11/yet-another-gay-teen-suicide-this-time-in-michigan.html
http://sdgln.com/causes/2010/11/09/antigay-slur-painted-car-umass-dartmouth
Apparently all this can be justified by the Bible, so is Christianity any better? All religions have faults and tricky pieces to them.
Report Post »luvamerica
Posted on November 9, 2010 at 11:27amI married an Italian and they are almost as bad with the gift giving. I never would have believed this really occurs out there but being that I’ve experienced first hand – I feel and understand her pain. However, I would never burn myself for that reason or any other reason. It’s just not worth it.
Fortunately, we are able to bring “big/expensive” gifts to family members. However, I really think it’s horrible these cultures.
Report Post »PattiR
Posted on November 9, 2010 at 11:25amYet- we are brought before the U.N. to explain our human rights violations. The U.N. is a joke.
Report Post »EqualJustice
Posted on November 9, 2010 at 11:41amEXACTLY! Obama did that. He thinks we are bad, bad, people…
Report Post »Dstarr55
Posted on November 9, 2010 at 11:53amWow, Pattir, you are so on the mark. The UN is a disgraceful entity and why were continue to give it any cretiablity is amazing.
Report Post »Independent Tess
Posted on November 9, 2010 at 12:14pmPast presidents would not participate in the joke court that the UN puts on. Obama has created a precedent by participating. He hopes to have it be a “foot in the door” for world governance. Where have I read about this “one world government”? Hmmmnnn…..the Bible, perhaps?
Report Post »janddjohnson
Posted on November 9, 2010 at 11:24amWe need to do something about this. This is horrible. Someone has to help them get away from this way of life. To be forced into marriage and to be abused your entire life. I hate their way of life. It is not right nor fair. How can you treat women as if there lower than insects? I hate these men. GOD forgive me but I do.
Report Post »Star Spangled
Posted on November 9, 2010 at 11:23amGod have mercy on these women .
This is just heart breaking .
Report Post »untameable-kate
Posted on November 9, 2010 at 12:06pm….and maddening. I got so angry watching this video, and to think these people are not all that concerned, they don’t even have counciling for these poor doomed souls.
Report Post »luvamerica
Posted on November 9, 2010 at 11:22amVery sad. Very sad. No words to describe this video. My prayers go out to them.
Report Post »Slobaphobe
Posted on November 9, 2010 at 11:21amBuddist Monks did this in Vietnam as a way of protest. I don’t think these women are protesting. I believe these women are under orders to do this.
Report Post »catndahat
Posted on November 9, 2010 at 11:43amYou might be right–same with sending kids as homicede bombers-pressure behind the scenes, not a free choice.
Report Post »paleoconservatarian
Posted on November 10, 2010 at 9:17pmYou two must not have watched the video.
Report Post »KeithOlberdink
Posted on November 9, 2010 at 11:20amWow this made me cry.
Report Post »Lesterp
Posted on November 9, 2010 at 2:39pmI had to stop after about 2 minutes!
Report Post »EqualJustice
Posted on November 9, 2010 at 11:20amComing to a neighborhood near you soon… “Federal Judge Blocks Oklahoma Voters’ Ban on Sharia Law” just a warning!
Report Post »Star Spangled
Posted on November 9, 2010 at 11:32amI voted for that law , our governer and AJ promise to fight this until it becomes law here in our state .
Report Post »We see it as a preempted law . Before there’s ANY question of which laws we honor we intend to make it clear only constitutional laws will be used in our courts .
The law states : “sharia or any international law…. will not be used in Oklahoma courts” .
untameable-kate
Posted on November 9, 2010 at 11:37amMaybe judge vicki should watch this video before she restrains the peoples will. I am horrified by what I see in all these films about the way women live and die in these moslem countries. The practice of the religion of Islam should be made a criminal offense . We want to talk of the atrocities of the third reich and yet we let this continue.
Report Post »EqualJustice
Posted on November 9, 2010 at 11:40amGood luck fighting Obama and his “MODERATE” Muslim friends…
Report Post »rgalunas
Posted on November 9, 2010 at 11:18amWe cant truly grasp the pains of the world but this video made a 41 old straight male cry. How can something like that become a cultural occurance. I was taught as a child the worst sin that God can’t forgive is suicide. Life is a gift everyday is special because we breathe the air drink the rain…
Report Post »DAVEINKENTUCKY
Posted on November 9, 2010 at 12:19pmJesus said in Mark 3:28-29: “Truly I say to you, all sins shall be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they utter; but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgivness, but is guilty of an eternal sin.” So there is only ONE unforgivable sin and that is to blaspheming the Holy Spirit. The sad thing here is these people don’t know the same God we have. They can have no personal relationship with their god. So sad,so sad. It is a sad time we live in.
Report Post »mrlogan3
Posted on November 9, 2010 at 1:18pm@rgalunas This is a cultural phenomenon here too. Gay suicides? I also object to the fact that you had to distinguish the fact that you were straight. With the stuff they deal with day in and day out, I would honestly say many homosexuals are tougher than heterosexuals are.
Report Post »Lesterp
Posted on November 9, 2010 at 2:38pmGive it a rest logan! We get it, your gay and people have been mean to you. I’m not sure what you want us to do about it. Please ! Do tell.
Report Post »mrlogan3
Posted on November 9, 2010 at 4:32pmI’m not gay myself, I just find it interesting that when a gay kid jumps off of a bridge here it’s nothing but when women on a different continent try to kill themselves everyone suddenly finds compassion in him/herself. Why can’t we just have care and concern for everyone?
Report Post »StMichelob
Posted on November 9, 2010 at 11:48pmWhat has been interpretted as ‘the one unforgivable sin” is not suicide, and the “blashemy against the Holy Spirit” is talking about dying unrepentent for your sins and not taking the Holy Spirit into yourself. The “suicide clause” is a Catholic thing, and I STILL don’t know how they got that…got my own theories about catholicism, but this is not the proper forum for that discussion…
Report Post »SecretPolice
Posted on November 9, 2010 at 11:18amWith all the crazy happenings, I could be talked into believing the theory about Dec. 21 2012.
J/K but only a little bit.
Report Post »MrButcher
Posted on November 9, 2010 at 11:32amthe world is fine.
its the people on it who are screwed.
Report Post »JenniferNB
Posted on November 9, 2010 at 11:16amMmmmmm….Nancy Peolosi!!!! A girl can dream can’t she!
starman70
Posted on November 9, 2010 at 11:15amWho can blame them? this must be better than being beaten by their husbands or having their children wed to grown men at 10 years of age or younger. They know that if we pull out of Afghanistan, they will return to Taliban rule, a fate worse than death.
Report Post »Knightofhopex
Posted on November 9, 2010 at 11:21amThat‘s true but anytime people lose the will to live instead of fighting back it’s sad. I know it’s normal for some cultures, places or times, but it’s still sad. I’d atleast advocate going down swinging over this sort of thing. Really rough to think about.
Report Post »untameable-kate
Posted on November 9, 2010 at 11:48amThese women can’t fight back, they have been conditioned thier whole lives to be subserviant, if they put one toe out of line they will be tortured or killed in the most horrible fashion. This is a country where if a woman is raped it is HER fault, she cannot divorce an abusive husband but ,f her husband wants to divorce her is is easy to cast her out in shame, men can throw acid in the faces of thier daughters. What can a woman do againt such overwhelming abuse when she is born into it?
Report Post »snowleopard3200 {mix art}
Posted on November 9, 2010 at 12:01pm@Untamable Kate
A relative did not use acid to my face, but liquid drain cleaner in a sprayer to the left eye did enough damage. This was just one of the things that the nut did, just like these extremists have done to their women and children.
The outcome of Sharia law, coming soon to a corner of your neighbuorhood.
untameable-kate
Posted on November 9, 2010 at 1:39pmI’m sorry you had to go through that SNOW, but sharia law won’t be able to rule the women in the US, we are not trained to submit.
Report Post »StMichelob
Posted on November 9, 2010 at 11:43pm@KNIGHTOFHOPEX …when I was a contractor in Iraq, I was in Fallujah, unarmed except with the Ka-Bar I had bought my 1st year in the Marine Corps. Anytime i was carried by convoy to where i was headed, i asked the turret gunner if I could use his weapon if any firefight went down. They pretty much knew me, and knew that I was a 7/7 rifle expert when I was a Marine, so the answer was always “You damn sure BETTER use it!” with a giggle. My theory then, as it is now, is that there was NO WAY these guys would EVER capture me and behead me for their propaganda tapes. I didn’t then, and don’t now, care if I have to rip the juggular out of their necks with my teeth, I will never give up and if it is hopeless, i’ll bleed out as many as I am able before I drive my Ka-Bar into my own guts, and die with Bushiddo Honor (as another posted mentioned). Make no mistake, radicals, if you plan on taking advantage of any domestic issues here in the U.S. and go from door to door “recruiting” for mohammed, you‘ll find Americans aren’t like these horribly oppressed women in Afghanistan. We will fight you to our dying breath, then deny you the satisfaction of killing us in the name of your false god. (“mohammed” and “god’ not capitalized on purpose) The point that you have driven these women, thinking that this is their only option makes me full of rage. I effing HATE a bully, and that is all you pathetic excuses for a ‘religious belief” are. Bullies. Marines were trained to be the “big brother” who faught tooth and nail against you grown boys, and you’ll find one hell of a lot of us former Marines on our shores.
In fact, I am sick of this. Just come and get you some, bubbas. Come and get you all of it you can handle, cuz we got lots. Your culture makes me wanna vomit. I haven’t been this mad and ready to rumble in a hell of a long time, so YOU COME AND FIND OUT WHAT AMERICA’S REALLY MADE OF.
(“C” word omitted frequently, along with the “F” word, “S” word, “MF” word, and many others due to the censoring nature of this site, and I really wanted to get this out.)
Semper Effing Fi, American, and HAPPY EFFING BIRTHDAY, MARINES!!! (in 20 minutes…)
Report Post »RightPolitically
Posted on November 9, 2010 at 11:15amI won’t watch it because the whole thought of it is DISGUSTING. However, this just goes to show how low humanity can sink when brainwashed by rot and primitive belief systems!
Report Post »john seven eighteen
Posted on November 9, 2010 at 11:21am…or having acid thrown in their faces, burning away their eyes, noses, etc.
Report Post »just happy
Posted on November 9, 2010 at 11:29amits not so much that they are primitive , they are PERVERTED. All knowledge of a higher power that requires love to reap the rewards of eternal joy has been lost or stolen from a huge part of the population of the world. God is real weather we believe or not.
Report Post »HKS
Posted on November 9, 2010 at 11:38amMaybe this should be a wake up call to us. This disgusting political movement would like control of you. Ignore it and they will.
Report Post »dailey4jesus
Posted on November 9, 2010 at 12:19pmJohn Seven Eighteen….you need to read the verses prior to your username. This passage of John is critical in understanding what is happening to these women. They have been led by a religion that is false. They know it and they despair. The ONLY hope for these people is to HEAR about the one who can give them liberty, first of mind and soul, then of body. His name is Jesus and until there is freedom for the gospel to be shared in Muslim countries there will be NO change.
Report Post »Nvrforget
Posted on November 9, 2010 at 12:56pmI think those people need LESS religious dogma, not more.
Report Post »john seven eighteen
Posted on November 9, 2010 at 1:22pm@Dailey4Jesus
I agree with you, and I know this. Did I say something to make you think I am indifferent to their plight? My heart breaks for them.
Report Post »HKS
Posted on November 9, 2010 at 11:14amDespair is a powerful thing, when a religion demonizes humans all hope is lost. This is very sad.
Report Post »snowleopard3200 {mix art}
Posted on November 9, 2010 at 11:19amWhen hope is lost completely, to many, only death is seen as being able to provide relief and to be a redemption of ones own honor and worth to their own eyes. This is sad indeed.
Report Post »Knightofhopex
Posted on November 9, 2010 at 11:19amThis is so sick I can barely stand to think about it. o.O I mean, it’s the way people around the world do things and deal with oppression but damn. How brutal does humanity have to be, even to itself?
Report Post »john seven eighteen
Posted on November 9, 2010 at 11:20amI can’t think of a better reason to keep up the fight in the savage country. Most Afghan people are good people who have no choices, but given the choice would prefer a more western way of life in a heartbeat over what they are forced to endure now. We cannot let them down now.
Report Post »REBELWITHACAUSE
Posted on November 9, 2010 at 11:42amYou’ve GOT to be kidding… she was shamed for not having brought a gift to the cousin‘s party because she wasn’t able to afford one?? This is why she’d rather die such a horrible slow death? Is there no other way to kill yourself? This brought me to tears… just breaks my heart. There truly is only one hope for these people… it‘s Christ’s hasty return to restore order to a people that has seen only war, poverty, inhumanity, and a religion based on something that isn’t even remotely close to a Agape(Godly love). We should all be praying Thy Kingdom Come for these people.
Report Post »MAULEMALL
Posted on November 9, 2010 at 12:06pmHow is it that shame can cause you to kill yourself there but here it is a wasted emotion…
Report Post »HouseNegro
Posted on November 9, 2010 at 1:04pmThere is nothing disturbing about this, there is nothing you can do This is just another NYT story pulling at your heart strings. Although I think they would be better off setting their husbans and fathers on fire.
Report Post »mrlogan3
Posted on November 9, 2010 at 1:16pm“Despair is a powerful thing, when a religion demonizes humans all hope is lost.” Like the way many Christian conservatives on this site demonize homosexuals and then tell them to toughen up and deal with it?
Anawynn13
Posted on November 9, 2010 at 1:42pm@mrlogan3
I have NEVER seen anyone on this site demonize or even talk about homosexuals…and I’m on here every week day. Where do you nutjobs come up with this stuff? It’s amazing that you really believe this crap that someone is feeding you. Start thinking for yourself.
Report Post »barbaraw62
Posted on November 9, 2010 at 1:56pmTHIS IS NOT A WAR PROBLEM… THIS IS A RELIGION PROBLEM!
Jesus is kind and loving…… they do not have Jesus so their society is filled with despair… no charity, love, or kindness from the heart.. Despair can lead to chronic depression and hopelessness. These poor women.. and Sharia is responsible for all the despair and these women are treated like property when married and looked down upon as property…. and with an expresssion their husbands can divorce them and leave them without any way to feed themselves or take care of themselves … living as pariah…… and there are women in this country that gladly accept this religion? Are they blind or merely want that crushing religion??? Answer me someone!~!!!!
Report Post »Taquoshi
Posted on November 9, 2010 at 2:10pmTo Rebel,
You need to understand that in this type of culture, it is not about people, it’s about status. A gift was expected, but the woman didn’t bring one regardless of the reason, so it was seen as an insult to the relative who gave the party. That means it’s a reduction in status for the relative and possibly the family. I don’t like it, but I’ve been told repeatedly that all cultures are equal, so there you go.
Actually the practice is not necessarily limited to Afghanistan because the Japanese practiced a form of it called Seppuku. This is a form of Japanese ritual suicide by disembowelment. Seppuku was originally reserved only for samurai. Part of the samurai bushido honor code, seppuku was used voluntarily by samurai to die with honor rather than fall into the hands of their enemies (and likely suffer torture), as a form of capital punishment for samurai who had committed serious offenses, or performed for other reasons that had brought shame to themIt was also permissible as a form of repentance when one had committed an unforgivable sin, either by accident or on purpose. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seppuku)
Samurai women could also commit ritual suicide, but this was usually done by slashing the throat with a small knife. (http://www.japan-101.com/culture/seppuku.htm)
The last known person to commit seppuku Isao Inokuma, a Japanese Judo expert after he became the CEO of the Tokai company in 1993, but committed suicide in 2001 by means of seppuku, possibly due to the financial losses suffered by his company. He was 63 years old. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isao_Inokuma)
In India, it was also practiced in a form called sati.
This refers to a religious funeral practice among some Hindu communities in which a recently widowed Hindu woman either voluntarily or by use of force and coercion immolates herself on her husband’s funeral pyre. The term is derived from the original name of the goddess Sati, also known as Dakshayani, who self-immolated because she was unable to bear her father Daksha’s humiliation of her (living) husband Shiva. The act of sati is said to exist voluntarily; from the existing accounts, many of these acts did indeed occur voluntarily. The act may have been expected of widows in some communities, and the extent to which social pressures or expectations constitute compulsion has been much debated in modern times. However, there were also instances where the wish of the widow to commit sati was not welcomed by others, and where efforts were made to prevent the death. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sati_(practice)
Also, it is important to note that in an Islamic country, the woman is the possession of the man. If a man feels that a woman in his family has shamed him, he has the right to perform an honor killing. It actually elevates him in the eyes of the community.
I don’t know if you noticed the woman who was tending the 17 year old at home said something like if she died, that’s okay, but not this way – it would leave a scar of a thousand years on my heart. I wonder exactly what that means, whether the girl‘s death because she couldn’t stand her husband would be a serious humiliation for her or whether the idea of the girl dying would be a personal grief.
Personally, I hope all the woman libbers who watch this cry bucket and hopefully one or two will realize that this is what Islam holds for them. I find it interesting that the blame was indirectly put on the anti-Taliban forces because of the way the economy has been and that it is the economy first and foremost that cause this rather than the cultural practices.
Report Post »Dustyluv
Posted on November 9, 2010 at 2:39pmThis video made me cringe.
Oklahoma is outlawing Sharia Law and the Federalies are blocking it. Time to tell the Feds where to shove their judges before this poison gets to our cities…oh…too late, it has!!
Report Post »DevotedDad
Posted on November 9, 2010 at 3:38pmYes, I agree with HKS that despair is a powerful thing.
As a parental right advocate for people who have been stripped of their parental rights by family court and family law, I am constantly reminded of this fact when I hear of parents taking their own lives due to the despair and pain of having their children removed from them.
You do not have to look across the globe to see this hopelessness….
I challenge anyone in this chat room to ask 10 random people the following question –
Do you know or have you heard of anyone who has claimed to be severely harmed by fmaily court or a divorce proceeding. I am not a betting man but I can almost guarantee that more than 3 out of the 10 either has been personally affected or know someone who has been,,,,
The family unit has been under attack for years. Many of the freedoms that are being removed from the lives of Americans today are a result of years of practice in the family court and family and setting.
Again, don’t take my word for it…
Simply ask…
Report Post »Annette
Posted on November 9, 2010 at 3:49pmI simply cannot understand this…it’s unbelievable. how can we help this situation? i live in houston and see muslim women all the time and think how can u support this religion…it’s a mystery!
Report Post »mrlogan3
Posted on November 9, 2010 at 4:29pm@anawynn13
Homosexuality is a perversion of sexuality and it goes against the teachings of the Bible
When those who ARE homosexual, by choice or not, when all those who minds are SO warped they can’t truly think right for themselves, for all those who have believed the Bible says this, when it really says that… (thanks to ministers who deceive) are all healed and cleansed of their sins, we can then forget this past life where Satan rules.
It’s a choice just like killing a Baby. You don’t have to do it.
I guess men who think little children are hot and sexy don’t have a choice either? I can not believe a real man of God can think this way. He has been influenced by Satan.
They claim its not a choice so they can get a free pass to be corrupt.
Taquoshi
Posted on November 9, 2010 at 10:59pmMr. Logan,
No one mentioned homosexuality on this thread prior to your post. No one mentioned it in the video clip.
However, let me take a moment to encourage you to research how Muslims treat homosexuals.
According to the International Lesbian and Gay Association ILGA there are at least seven countries today which still retain capital punishment for homosexuality. All are predominately Muslim countries. They are: Afghanistan, Iran, Mauritania, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, and Yemen. The situation with regard to the United Arab Emirates (UAE) is unclear. (http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_isla.htm)
So, you can think what you want about Christians being intolerant of homosexuals, but the Muslims have the market cornered.
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