Do You Know About the Freedom Group’s Major Role in American Gunmaking?
- Posted on November 29, 2011 at 6:16am by
Buck Sexton
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The Freedom Group has become one of the most important gun-makers in the United States, but its “quiet takeover of the American gun industry” has spawned rumors and even conspiracy theories.
Bushmaster Carbon 15 M4 Carbine
On Sunday, The New York Times wrote up a profile of the Freedom Group intended to whip-up gun control advocates more than educate the public about the firearms industry. Despite its political bent and subtle swipes at the 2nd Amendment, the piece did provide some historical background and supporting factual data regarding Freedom Group and its operations.
Freedom Group, which is privately held, currently owns many top-selling U.S. gun brands — including the 195-year-old Remington Arms, as well as Bushmaster Firearms and DPMS.
A series of acquisitions have led Freedom Group to become most powerful force in the American commercial gun market, and the single biggest long gun manufacturer. About 20% of all long guns and 1/3 of all ammo in certain major chain stores such as Cabela’s are estimated to be products of the Freedom Group.
Remington MODEL 887™ NITRO MAG TACTICAL
By its own count, the Freedom Group sold 1.2 million long guns and 2.6 billion rounds of ammunition in the 12 months ended March 2010, the most recent year for which figures are publicly available, according to the Times.
This rapid expansion into the national and international firearms markets appears to be the result of a series of aggressive and strategic acquisitions, which started with buying out Bushmaster, and has since included purchasing the storied Remington brand as well as taking out:
“DPMS; Marlin Firearms, a classic maker that came with two niche shotgun brands, Harrington & Richardson and L. C. Smith; and Dakota Arms. The Freedom Group also bought S&K industries, which supplies wood and laminate for gun stocks, as well as the Advanced Armament Corporation, which makes silencers. It acquired Barnes Bullets, which makes copper-jacketed bullets popular with precision shooters and police departments.”
Marlin Classic Model 1895
Rumors that George Soros is behind the company and is trying to dismantle the 2nd Amendment are apparently quite false. It’s not Soros behind the group, it’s actually Cerberus, a major company which is run by CEO Stephen Feinberg. According to the Times, Feinberg’s empire is vast on its own account, as his conglomerate rivals:
“some of the mightiest public companies in the land. Cerberus manages more than $20 billion in capital. Together, the companies it owns generate annual revenue of about $40 billion — more than either Amazon or Coca-Cola last year.”
The entire U.S. gun market has sales of about $4 billion a year, but the N.R.A. estimates that about 70 million to 80 million Americans collectively own 300 million firearms. It‘s a market that isn’t going away anytime soon, and could be poised to grow in the years ahead, despite the Times’ insinuation that the gun market is already saturated.
DPMS Panther 7.62NATO Sportical
In fact, not only is the U.S. firearms market in a position to expand (some 220 million Americans don’t own guns yet), but Freedom Group has been able to capitalize on the global market for firearms. In recent years this has included the sale of weapons to governments including:
“Afghanistan, Thailand, Mexico and Malaysia, among others, and [it] obtained new business from the United States Army, including a contract worth up to $28.2 million, to upgrade the M24 sniper weapon system.”
Many analysts think the next frontier for Freedom Gropup seems to be concealed carry handguns. Freedom Group’s Remington corporation has put out a model 1911R handgun to enter the pistol market.
Remington 1911 R
Whether Freedom Group makes an effort to strengthen its position in the concealed-carry market or not, the company appears to be weathering tough times reasonably well.
Despite a difficult economic climate in 2010, gun sales at the Freedom Group were up 5.6 percent during the first nine months of this year, according to the company’s most recent earnings report, though it suffered a loss of about $6 million for the same period.
For more details on the acquisition of Bushmaster, and Freedom Group growth initiatives , you can read the full NY Times profile here (editor’s note: beware of imprecise language such as “military-style” weapons and anti-gun biases).
The Times’ account of Freedom Group has raised the ire of gun bloggers, including Nick Leghorn of The Truth About Guns, who wrote of the piece above that:
“The Times views the firearms industry as some sort of cancer. And substitutes stats and quotes for genuine insight. Still, it could have been worse. And no doubt will be, again, soon. Good thing this article was published on Sunday, when the Times’ readership is at its peak.”
The TTAG post also took umbrage with the Times mention of the Bushmaster company with the weapon used by the D.C. Sniper in 2003. This New York Times non-sequitur was the most egregiously partisan incident in a piece that held many.
Apart form the political biases, the Times profile of Freedom Group doesn’t tackle other obvious questions raised. For one, what would be a successful strategy for Freedom Group going forward?
Some gun bloggers have suggested that Freedom Group so far is just a roll-up of the fractured American gun manufacturing industry, without any new direction to it. A better approach to improve sales could involve marketing to younger shooters, for example. Others have noted that buying up gun and ammunition makers during a Democrat presidency could just be attributed to good business sense, and may mean that the largest gun manufacturer in the U.S. in not ideologically driven in any meaningful way.
In any event, the long-term impact of the consolidation of the gun industry into one high-powered conglomerate has yet to be seen. In the mean time, gun enthusiasts will closely watch the craftsmanship and quality of the weapons coming off the Freedom Group line, and competitors like Colt Manufacturing will surely have to sit up and take notice.
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Comments (257)
Carp_resident
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 8:32amBuy American. Any Ruger is my favorite. Well built and very reliable.
Report Post »SmallGovBigGuns
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 8:51amamen. buy american.
most gun owners i know are the typs that own 5+ guns and seem to live by that. Casual gun owners want that overseas crap
Report Post »SgtB
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 8:57amDo you not know that the founder of Ruger and the designer of the mini-14 didn‘t want his guns to have more than a 5 round capacity because he felt it was unnecessary and militaristic and he didn’t trust the American people with a gun that could hold 30 rounds?
I don’t care where my gun is built or who it is built by so long as it operates reliably and shoots straight. My Springfield was made in Croatia and I love that gun. I also have a mosin nagant and that will be my vehicle disabler when SHTF. That is of course Russian. Then I have a few savages made in Mass. and an 887 like shown above. All good guns.
Report Post »peacebestill
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 9:26amYep. Great guns. Four Rugers in my house. Don’t tread on me.
Report Post »CPT_GCF
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 9:35amI agree with SGTB, I care more about reliability, accuracy, and quality. With that said, I have a mix of pistols, rifles, and shotguns. Some American guns are crap, some aren’t. I own Kahr, but I also favor my H&K pistols. I have a Remington rifle, but I love Benelli shotguns. Italy and Germany make great guns, too.
Report Post »korbin
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 9:57am@SGTB, “Do you not know that the founder of Ruger and the designer of the mini-14 didn‘t want his guns to have more than a 5 round capacity because he felt it was unnecessary and militaristic and he didn’t trust the American people with a gun that could hold 30 rounds?”
Report Post »So he was an idiot, I am making firearms ( RUGER) but only want 10 rd Mag capability,, He trusted the American people enough to “capitalize” I am a staunch believer in freedom, you talk about his lack of trust of the American people look at this Government, Gun runner for example. I will keep my California illegal 30 rounders. Less loading. I still shoot one at a time. It is like the ones who want wealth redistribution!!! when asked how much is fair to take none have an answer, so how many rounds is to many????? If you want single shot fine, semi auto, fully auto, 1,2,3,4 or 50 rd mags, who cares, look at all the people in this country aside from the crazy and the gangster how many shootings? and how many are associated with a large magazine? I say the Marines have it right 1 shot one kill. This is still a free country, notice I didn’t use the term “assault bat…..
Eliasim
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 10:02amCentralizing ownership of many gun manufactures can have it’s benefits but can also come to be disadvantageous if the wrong people get in there.
Report Post »Dan_o
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 10:07amCurious choice for supporting American based on Ruger’s past. There are many other quality options for buying American made guns from companies that don‘t have a history of trying to squash gun owner’s rights.
Report Post »marvel
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 10:15am@SgtB
Bill Ruger is dead, and the company has moved on. Even before he died I bought Ruger. They are some of the most dependable, well built firearms one can get. Not always pretty pieces, but then again we are not talking about barbie dolls. Have you checked out Ruger lately? It‘s not Bill’s company any more…
Marvel
Report Post »rock-n-roll-rebel
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 10:24amI just bought a P-95 Ruger because I was so impressed with it. I still need a better rifle though.
Report Post »Viet Vet
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 10:56amThe only industry that Barry has stimulated is the firearms industry.
Report Post »Treaty
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 10:57amSmith & Wesson M&P
Report Post »addie
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 11:03amI’m with STGB – I care more about accuracy, reliability and quality over where the gun is made. I carry my Springfield subcompact XD 40 in the fall/winters and a Star 380 loaded with Hornady personal protection rounds in the spring/summer (easier to conceal being female, not wearing as much clothes) I also have a S&W 22, another springfield 40, a judge, and a highpoint carbine. My next purchase will be the new Kimber 9 to replace the Star for conceal carry.
Report Post »Mountain Dew
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 11:04am@ Marvel I’ve owned Rugers and still do. Two were excellent weapons for the money I paid and one was a complete piece of garbage. Ruger is a fine chioce but this nonsense about how it has to be American made is load of crap. I heard that all the time back in the 80′s concerning American made vehicles and the only thing it accomplished was allowing U.S auto makers to continue to make substandard junk. I certainly don’t consider Ruger to generally be junk, but if we turned our brains off just waved the flag around Ruger and anyone else domestic will do what GM, Chrysler, and Ford did to us in the past. Make them compete. Can’t (more likely won’t do it) do it they deserve to fail. Simple as that.
Report Post »Pendragon
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 11:15amBut Congress is passing this New Law to take all that away The Senate is going to vote on whether Congress will give this president—and every future president — the power to order the military to pick up and imprison without charge or trial civilians anywhere in the world.raising concerns about the NDAA detention provisions during last night’s Republican debate. The power is so broad that even U.S. citizens could be swept up by the military and the military could be used far from any battlefield, even within the United States itself.
The worldwide indefinite detention without charge or trial provision is in S. 1867, the National Defense Authorization Act bill, which will be on the Senate floor on Monday. The bill was drafted in secret by Sens. Carl Levin (D-Mich.) and John McCain (R-Ariz.) and passed in a closed-door committee meeting, without even a single hearing.
Report Post »addie
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 11:28am@Pendragon – that was founded to be false. that is why Drudge pulled the link. The ACLU started the rumor to raise a stink because they don’t want the law to pass so their terrorist can be released. The law specifically states US citizens are exempt from the bill.
Report Post »Ruler4You
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 11:40amYea, great guns all. There is just something I don’t like, personally, about a potential ‘single source’ supplier. Especially after watching this particular administration and the way it treats small business vs say, a GM or GE or Solyndra.
Report Post »lapua338shooter
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 12:01pmNever took much of a liking to Ruger. My collection of Glocks does just fine for me & the lil’ woman. For rifles, mostly Savage & Marlin. And 4 assorted type Mossbergs. We really don‘t care where they’re built or who builds them. As long as they go BANG when the trigger is pulled & it hits what we’re aiming at…. that’s our primary concern. Since ammo has continued to rise in cost, we started to make our own. Although, you need a mortgage to buy Lapua brass…
Report Post »dmerwin
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 12:08pmI would not choose to enrich Norinco (communist chinese), having said that any reliable and accurate weapon is worth having. I agree with the poster who stated most people who own firearms own more than 1. By the way Bushmaster HAD a bad rep at one time but has turned that around, DPMS and Remington have always been good guns and Savage is working hard to improve it’s previously tarnished image. Rugers are reliable, at least the bolt guns, revolvers and pistols. Winchester makes excellent hunting rifles. I would be remiss not to mention Kimber, Nosler and the custom hunting rifle people like Christensen arms and McMillan. Don’t forget that Armalite produced the first AR-15 platform and continues to make great weapons. PTR makes the PTR-91 (G3 semi, HK-91 in America) and DS arms produces very good FN-FALs in several price ranges. Millet, Leupold and Trijicon produce excellent optics to mount on your firearms. All of these are American companies and your money stays here. And all have great after market customer service. Avoid russian steel cased ammo in your quality American firearm.
Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 12:12pm@korbin,
Our Founders trusted Americans with guns because they are necessary to defend ourselves against the corruption of government.
See here.
Federalist Papers #46
http://www.constitution.org/fed/federa46.htm
“Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of. Notwithstanding the military establishments in the several kingdoms of Europe, which are carried as far as the public resources will bear, the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms. And it is not certain, that with this aid alone they would not be able to shake off their yokes. But were the people to possess the additional advantages of local governments chosen by themselves, who could collect the national will and direct the national force, and of officers appointed out of the militia, by these governments, and attached both to them and to the militia, it may be affirmed with the greatest assurance, that the throne of every tyranny in Europe would be speedily overturned in spite of the legions which surround it.”
Report Post »dmerwin
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 12:22pmI feel that the most important characteristics in firearms are reliability and accuracy. There are many great American gun manufacturers. I would avoid putting money into Chinese hands so avoid Norinco (AK platform) and Russia is feeling squirrelly so I would definitely avoid wolf ammo or any steel cased ammo. You can buy great HK platform rifles from PTR in Connecticut and FN-FALs from DSA in Illinois, Colts (AR platform) from Massachusetts. Funny how the most anti-gun states are happy to take gun related jobs and taxes. Remington, Winchester, Ruger and Weatherby are American hunting weapon legends and have been joined by Nosler, Kimber, Christensen and McMillan for high end rifles. My point is you can buy great American products to include excellent optics from Leupold, Trijicon and Millett. Can’t have too many guns.
Report Post »Bloody Sam
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 12:24pmI love my LC-9. Got a great deal on it too.
Report Post »Diego Roswell
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 12:29pmI’ll put my Red Jacket Russian made AK47 up against anything made anywhere ever.
Report Post »AmericanFightingMan1
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 12:49pmKimber Desert Warrior .45 cal. A thing of American beauty. Armalite AR10, long range sledgehammer. Rem 12 guage and Anschuss .22 cal. Ruger 9 mm = cheap target practice.
Report Post »Conservophiliac
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 12:53pmI like my Ruger 10/22, but every Ruger handgun I have owned has been less than par quality. I will stick with my Heckler and Koch for handguns and Remington for rifles and Ruger for 22′s. I have owned hundred of guns over the years and Ruger isn’t anywhere near the top of the quality/accuracy list.
Report Post »dorightfearnothing
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 2:55pm@ADDIE, you need to acquire a good rifle. Sounds like you have the close range covered pretty well, but need the capability of reaching out a bit…
Report Post »TDOM
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 3:14pmmy 10/22 Ruger is about as much cheap fun as you can have standing up.
Report Post »rosecityken
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 3:25pmlove my ruger SP101 !!!!
Report Post »squigs2004
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 3:27pmMost American handguns and hunting rifles are good, but for an SHTF carbine, I prefer the AK-47 platform. Its field reliability is far superior to that of the M4/M15/M16 platform. For example, in our current wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, heavy shooting plus sand would jam up their M16‘s while the enemy’s AK-47′s kept on going. On average, a soldier there could expect to fire anywhere from 200-400 rounds before a jam. The AK-47′s accuracy has been improved upon too with the latest AK-100 series rifles. I have a Saiga SGL-21, which is more or less an AK-107 clone and fires great and accurately. The AK was never really designed to be accurate anyways; that’s what you get a sniper rifle for; it was only designed to hit the target out to 300m.For my pistols I prefer the Walther P99 and PPQ.
Report Post »Wiseone1w
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 3:28pmRugers are ok, but at least the SR9 has a tendency to jam up if it is not cleaned frequently. I prefer Springfield Armory handguns. The XD and XDm are really superior, reasonably priced, and made in America.
Report Post »swalt
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 3:42pmJust purchased a brand new Ruger and haven’t even fired it yet but it has trouble right out of the box. The slide lock won’t disengage. Still waiting (since Friday) for a response from Ruger. This is my first Ruger and will probably be me last.
Report Post »eagle2715
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 4:00pmYour treading into personal preference on the AR with this bud. The AK-47s primary advantage is the 7.62 round it fires vs. the 5.56. The “jamming” of the M-16 tends to happen with rifles that arn’t cared for properly in the field…This can be for many reasons ranging from availability of cleaning materials to laziness to being in the middle of a firefight for an extended period of time… Also the magazines are a huge culpert in these statistics.. And on top of that. Almost all Jams in the m-16 platform are easy to clear and have a minimal affect on the shooter…By design, were as the AK is a whole ‘nother story. Jams also occur @ a far small rate with semi-auto, which 95% of all folks have to settle for…
The AK outshoots the AR-15 in mid to close range, but only in a full auto/burst rate of fire. Single trigger pull – single shot the AR-15 is a far superior weapon across the board.
The idea that 300+ is long rifle territory is your personal preference and highly dependent on the shooter… My short barrel AR is center mass effective out to 400+ yards…My long barrel is 500, and the limiting factor on that is the ammo.
AK’s of all varieties are extremely reliable and I recommend people having them, but they do no replace an ar-15 or ar-10…They serve a different roll. If you’re worried about reliability and stopping power there are plenty of good AR-10s that shoot the 7.62 round and are piston driven vs. gas tube
Report Post »WeekendAtBernankes
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 4:19pmNot everyone has a grand to shell out on an American AR or pistol. I bought a reliable-as-Hell Saiga (Russian) .223 semi-automatic rifle and a Bersa (Argentinian) .380 concealed carry auto both for less than a single, similarly sized Walther pistol.
This isn’t Afghanistan, if you ever have to use these for their intended purpose it will be at close range against gang bangers, rioters, and looters who have little but aggression and nothing-to-lose as far as tactical strengths are concerned.
Oh, and there’s nothing casual about owning firearms. It’s like saying someone “casually stores rocket fuel.“ ”Casual hand grenade owner.” Give me a break.
Report Post »eagle2715
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 4:28pmWeekendAtBernankes
I think the term “casual gun owners” was geared more as a relativistic term, not a slant on gun safety or how serious people take weapons.
I see casual gun owners as people who buy a gun to have it, learn the proper use of it, and enjoy shooting it, but don’t go any further.
A non casual owner is someone who gets into loading match ammo, cares about the twist of the barrel, and pounds of trigger pull…
Report Post »NoRoomForSocialismHere
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 7:11pmDid not Ruger once go against the 2nd? Was it not a foreign company at one time? If not I would like to buy one or two of their firesticks.
Report Post »Kiba
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 7:23pmMy son and I own like 140 guns and I bought the worst gun I ever bought a week ago and sent it back and it was a little Diamond Back pockett .380 job (to carry as a BUG) $439+tax and it aint worth $5. A warning…dont buy one! Anyhow as far as the Rugers go you cant find a better revolver as they are all over-built and top of the line but (in my opinion) their auto’s (and please spare me the bla bla, I mean auto-loaders) I just dont like. As far as their rifles go I dont care for the mini-14‘s or 30’s either but the 77 bolt actions are nice tho, good Mauser copys. they just cant seem to make an aoto-loader I happen to like. And the AK-AR thing will go on forever, simply put you can throw up a AR -type and put a round right tween someones eyes at 300 yds. w/little training but you wont do that with the AK’s. However because of the AR’s tight tolerances & small tight-fitting parts you can take just a pinch of sand or dirt and put one out of operation yet you can litterally pour sand in a AK type while firing it and it wont miss a lick untill the magazine is empty, because of the simplicity and lack of small tight fitting parts. Its all a trade-off and could depend on whatever situation you find yourself in. Will you be in a situation where you can field strip and clean your AR daily or will you need a real battle rifle that you can drag around thru the mud and rain for a month at a time and not have to do anything to it but load it like the AK type.
Report Post »NoRoomForSocialismHere
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 7:34pmI sought piston driven rifles and the only ones that were available at the time was FNAR 7.62 20″. It is a battle weapon and will shoot 500m all day. The other ended up as Sig Seur 5.56 Short Swat. It shots 25 yds to 500m like a dream. Hornady TAP on both. Only problem they are time consuming to field strip.
The Glock was recommened and I got the 357Sig #31. When combined with the WIN T series it makes for a stop the clock on a zombie. Glock has nice array of after market parts and is very easy to clean. Not competion but absolute self defense.
For distance I want Rem 700 26″ 308 or 338 Laupua, 3-Gun competition a FN SP1 or REM 887 Nitro and a S&W M&P Pro 40.
Report Post »ff-up
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 7:58pmI like ‘em too! Been shooting them for 45 years.
Report Post »Ruger_45
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 8:01pmI agree…lol
Report Post »KICKILLEGALSOUT
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 8:21pmRock River Arms, Made in America
Every freedom loving American should have one of their quality pieces in their collection.
Report Post »BelievinginAmerica
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 9:00pmI’m having problems with my SR9C, I’ve had to send it back twice. I love Ruger and hope to get it fixed right.
Report Post »ChristianConservative76
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 9:15pmLast time I checked my Bushmaster, Remington, and DPMS were made in America. What is your point. I agree we should buy American, but is does not mean we need to buy Rugers. Also you can’t keep me from buying Austrian.(Glock)
Report Post »cemerius
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 10:10pmMy favorite little plinker gun is a Ruger 10/22 although you can call it a 25/22 now :) I am asked “what kind of gun should I buy” my answer to people who know very little about guns Buy a 10/22!!
Report Post »bombshelterbob
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 10:25pmBuy what ya’ like, shoot the batsnot outta it, and get ready for the end!!!! It don‘t matter what ya’ pack as long as yer good with it. Semper FI!
Report Post »Mil Mom
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 12:00amChecked out some info on Freedom Group on Constitutional Emergency where theres a Blog titled, “Is holding company linked to George Soros Buying up American FireArms Manufacturers?” I searched many of the articles and found the holding company WAS INDEED started by soros, but accordining to Wikipedia, they can’t actually allign him with it now. There are just many places where his companies, have the same shareholders as this does? The Veterans Defenders on this site seem to be checking out the possiblility! I can’t help but think of “Schindler’s List” and how part of the credit for defeating hitler was Schindler’s Jewish employees sabotaging his ammunition!
http://patriotsforamerica.ning.com/forum/topics/soros-buying-gun-and-ammo-manufacturers?commentId=2734278%3AComment%3A292846
Report Post »Mil Mom
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 12:07am@eliasim
Report Post »re : if the wrong people get in there…
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There‘s a Very good chance that it’s already gotten in there, check out this discussion:
http://patriotsforamerica.ning.com/forum/topics/soros-buying-gun-and-ammo-manufacturers?commentId=2734278%3AComment%3A292846
BSdetector
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 7:53amAmerican is good and all, but I’ll take my Saigas over ARs any day. Unjammable, incredibly accurate even though a lot people think the AK platform isn’t, and available in so many calibers(.223, 5.45, 7.62, .308 win, 12ga, 20ga, .410ga). Oh and they start ~$300 brand new at the moment.
Report Post »Armed Patriot
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 8:28amHave 7 of the Military channels top 10 battle rifles in my inventory. Thats just a bit of my personal collection… but then again I am a dealer.
Report Post »WeDontNeedNoSteenkinBadges04
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 7:20pmNO GUN IS GOOD … unless it looks like this:
“Man From UNCLE Guns”
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SamIamTwo
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 8:27amhttp://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/freedom.asp
anyone can look up who is involved in freedom…privately owned…soros loves the publicly owned so he can kill em with buys and sells.
ta RumOr was created so as to point out who in fact does back them and to make us appear to be dummies…birther crap if you ask me. JIMHO
Report Post »blackstone22
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 8:24ammore women should be gun owners
Report Post »SmallGovBigGuns
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 8:52amargeed. converted my finance to afraid of guns to a gun owner/lover and ccw holder in a year. women need to be empowered to protect themselves
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 9:40amWhat was the last piece about guns ..not only like these..but any guns…didn’t Yomama say that they would be keeping records of anyone puchasing them and that anyone buying more than one assault weapon would be on the FBI watch list? Well I wonder if the same conditions apply to all the members of the Hezbollah Drug Cartel (who are based out of Mexico but have come on in to the US with Obama suing the states who are trying to keep them out) whom Yomama and Holder have been selling guns to. like some . Kind of like one of those “conspiracy theories” Isn’t it?
Report Post »Mommy_of_3
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 10:37amI agree. Got my CCW this year & as a present, my hubby bought me my Taurus 357.
Report Post »addie
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 11:11amCouldn’t agree with you more! I have gotten many of my friends who initially where afraid of gun now carrying conceal. I am now in the process of convincing a male friend of mine to get his wife her own gun. He responds “I have a gun if she needs it.” NOT a good answer, she needs her own, one she is comfortable with and learns to shot it well, learns to take it apart and clean it, knows it like it’s an extension of her arm so she is not hesitant in using it if she gets into a bad situation.
I always say, if women carried guns, there would be no such thing as a stalker, only dead stalkers! Never mind fewer rapes and assaults!
Report Post »Maji
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 12:39pmIf you are truely a “firearm fan”….John Moses Browning is all that needs to be said!!!
Report Post »The American who influenced everyone else.
BCPATIOT
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 6:49pmI’m a woman,were’nt the last fiqures saying women out bought the guys ? For the last 2 years?
Report Post »scrapadapolis
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 8:17amAs a gun owner a revolution will never happen.How and why?I dare any citizen to try and open carry a rifle in DC.Let alone kill a liberal.You people sit behind the keyboard and spout thats all.And all of Glenns teachings will be for nothing! He talks christianity,caring,helping fellow americans.So now you speak of killing an American?
Report Post »Carter John
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 8:44amI agree. Christianity is about love, hope and charity.The only two reasons to own a gun is to hunt and protect you and your family.
Report Post »cessna152
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 9:05amChristianity is about loving, caring, sharing and kindness…but most importantly it is about Jesus dying,rising and forgiveness of our sins.
Report Post »Now that we got that out of the way, the Bible talks about murder and that is killing of an innocent person. However, the book of Luke talks about “take your sword when you travel…” meaning to use in the instance that you need to DEFEND yourself. All men are created equal and have the right to defend themselves. Do you believe that when your life is threatened you have the right to defend yourself? Or you don’t believe you have the right to do so?
Believe me, the last thing I want is a revolution, However… Christians ain’t the ones with the violent speech and actions. We are for peace and freedom. But if someone is here to steal our freedom, family and life you bet we have the right to defend it and to say “not” is NOT an option.
GhostOfJefferson
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 9:14amSo your contention is that because D.C. is a full out police state zone, the rest of the nation won’t do anything? I don’t get it. I open carry in central Ohio, have open carried in Virginia, without worries. I’m missing your logical connection between D.C. and “revolution”.
I’m not advocating revolution, I’m just curious about your statement.
Report Post »UlyssesP
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 9:42amThat is convoluted non-sense.
Report Post »CleanUpAisle2013
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 10:07amGlenn also proudly brags about being the owner of many guns and having the good sense to not hesitate in using them in defense of family and property. If any gun owner (or supporter of current 2nd Amendment laws) needs yet another reason to overflow the voting booths in order to overthrow the Obama/Democrat/Liberal regime then know the current Supreme Court justices stand at 5 in favor and 4 against the Right to Bear Arms, private ownership and the Right to Defend one’s life, loved ones and property. In the last ruling the four against stated the Constitution does not give you any of those Rights. An Obama victory in 2012 would mean appointment(s) of Justice(s) who favor that same Liberal interpretation.
Report Post »Schteveo
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 10:35amScrap,
I agree with you, some. BUT, the Founders were British Citizens and decided THEIR personal rights and freedoms required them to kill fellow British citizens. They felt so seriously about that, they put it in writing, not once but twice.
First in the Declaration of Independence…”When in the course of human events…”.
They certainly did NOT go after the King’s troops with spit balls and rubber bands, did they? The second time was in the Bill of Rights,
“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”
It does not say from whom it is we are protecting ourselves, but given their recent experiences, it stands to reason, they were including even their own body and any future U.S. governments.
I think the right to overthrow or protect ourselves, is backed up by the oath that all U.S. military personnel take. The enlisted oath,
“I, (your name), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.”
I’m pretty sure DOMESTIC does not mean we need to keep an eye on maids, butlers and cooks! They meant oth
Report Post »Schteveo
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 10:42amAnd finally, I pray and hope it NEVER comes to it. But I, and most of us who took that oath, KEEP that oath alive to this day. My / our responsibility to the country and America’s people did NOT end with my last paycheck from the DoD!
Hunting and protecting my family, and yours, may someday mean, hunting that Domestic destroyer of our freedom, and shooting them TO protect my family.
And yours!
(I don’t have my CCW just to protect myself either!)
Report Post »KNaggieland
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 10:47amLets break this down piece by piece:
“I dare any citizen to try and open carry a rifle in DC.Let alone kill a liberal.”
What are you in 3rd grade? Dare? Really? Come on while this type of weak minded argument may go over without question at an Obama fund raiser it falls far short of a logical argument in the real world. If a revolution were to occur and that is an idea the the best political strategists at the Kremlin have thought about already it would not start in D.C. And it would not start because someone decided to open carry. It would start in places like Texas, Wyoming, Utah and just about anywhere people had a self reliant independent attitude, DC is a place for parasites and nanny-state teat suckling spineless union goons.
“You people sit behind the keyboard and spout thats all.And all of Glenns teachings will be for nothing! He talks christianity,caring,helping fellow americans.”
First it is Christianity with a capital C, And those who do still posses a spine and a sense of self-respect do wish to help fellow Americans even the non-Christian ones. It is our sacred duty as Americans and as Christians.
“So now you speak of killing an American?”
Really? Again spoken like a 3rd grader. In the event of open revolt it would be a clash of ideas and ideals. One one side those who would take by force the product of another mans labor and on the other side those who would defend life and property with whatever force needed. In Texas we say
Report Post »Dismayed Veteran
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 10:51amThe Just War concept kicks in at some point. The cut & past definition is:
1. The damage inflicted by the aggressor on the nation or community of nations must be lasting, grave, and certain; (Obama: Fundamental Transformation)
2. All other means of putting an end to it must have been shown to be impractical or ineffective; (2012 election results possibly)
3. There must be serious prospects of success; (US Constitution & Bill of Rights supporters + GI’s? willing to defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic.)
4. The use of arms must not produce evils and disorders graver than the evil to be eliminated. (Promote the Common Good: Return to the Constitution of the US)
All of this fits into the value system of most of the people on this site.
My problem is the same logistical problem the men at Lexington, Concord, Bunker Hill, etc had. No common ammo, no logistical base, no resupply infrastucture.
Each of us talks about our weapons and ammo as if we were a lone wolf like Mad Max. That‘s fine if they come knocking at your door and you want to take a few to Fiddler’s Green with you. You don’t need thousands of rounds for that. You will get rolled over.
It doesn’t work if we act as a organized group. We need beans, bullets, transportation, medical systems, etc.to support us. We don’t have that infrastructure. It take 8 (? old number) non-combatants to support 1 combat soldier.
Until we do, it doesn’t matt
Report Post »762x51
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 11:05amNot revolution, Civil War is what will happen. The flaw in Glenn’s thinking is that you cannot unilaterally declare peace and hope to survive. The enemies of the United States intend to bring it down, and enslave us all, that’s the whole purpose of all the Marxist crap you see happening in the country today. John has it partially right firearms are for hunting and protecting your family, by hunting commies I AM protecting my family. It will soon be open season on these vermin and thousands will die. Not my fault, they are ones who have fomented this crisis. I stand ready to deploy, engage and destroy the enemies of the United States of America in close combat. Clean up America, kill a liberal.
Report Post »addie
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 11:24amFirst off, not all conservatives are religious preach the bible all you want, goes in one ear out the other for me. Secondly, my PCC gives me the right to PROTECT MY FAMILY AND OTHERS as well. Thirdly, it is the LIBERALS who are shouting “Revolution and fight on the streets” We are just DEFENDING OURSELVES! Conservatives are not calling to take the fight to the streets, we are not occupying with tents out in the streets breaking laws, raping women, doing drugs, etc….
Liberals are stupid, do they not know who the gun owners are? Most conservative gun owners have multiple guns and enough ammo to light up the skies. So I dare, double dare in fact, the liberals to “take the fight to the streets” because they will come out the losers they are, only then they will be dead losers. Then perhaps this country might have a shot at prospering again without all the dead weight baggage of the liberals.
Report Post »Dismayed Veteran
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 11:34am762×51
I agree with you that there is a chance for a civil war. My issue is organizational and logistical. If the US military join the side of protecting the Constitution then we will have access to the logistical train. If they don’t, we are toast. Sure we can do an Alamo and we probably will. I am 63 years old. My most recent combat experience was 43 years ago. I can probably do well in a static defense. I become a liability in the offense since I can’t carry a combat load at the double time for any distance.
Report Post »chicago76
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 11:44amI am afraid your point is lost. Christians protect their own. That means whether it is you or the government attempting to tyrannize and destroy me and my family and friends. It only takes one bullet to stop a tyrant, look at Lincoln. A Christian can ask for forgiveness afterwards.
Report Post »NoRoomForSocialismHere
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 8:02pmI have not read where anyone is killing anyone, yet. The people that pose a problem to American Patriots are NOT PROTESTANT CHRISTIANS.
The verses in the Bible are for Christians and their BROTHERS. You are not brothers, and scripture says does not a wiseman guard his house and family through the night. The Apostles had swords and they were in the presence of Jesus. You athiest should not even attempt at using scripture when it is not revealed to you on purpose. God has control of who can interpret HIS WORD.
Report Post »NoRoomForSocialismHere
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 8:19pmSCAROADAPOLIS, (is that Greek) its not like in the movies where someone is trying to outrun a car on foot on the center strip of a street. I wont be seen in the day of need for our country but you might here an occansional thap…Now if you get in my face and try to harm me or my family you will hear a very big bang I think
My family has helpled take care of this land since 1609 and I wont be the weak link. I might add a “Son of the Republic of Texas” 1836ca
Report Post »bombshelterbob
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 10:30pmCrapadapolis,
Take your meds and calm down son!
Report Post »WeDontNeedNoSteenkinBadges04
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 7:28pmJust remember who are “they” and who are “we”.
Report Post »WE don‘t need no stinkin’ badges … and THEY know it (and fear it).
rebelwuf
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 8:14amWill be much more difficult for the Feds to raid and seize their property than it was for them to raid and seize Gibson Guitars’ property.
Report Post »M24
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 8:05amHave you ever noticed How Progressives after about 5 minutes make you want to just reach over and Pull their eyelids off !! I asked GOD when He Made Progressives Was He Making A Joke are Just Trying To Piss The Rest Of Us Off, And GOD Said To Me ,No IMade Politicans To Piss You Off!!! SEMPER FI
Report Post »bombshelterbob
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 10:34pmM24
Report Post »I thought he made them BOTH to piss us off! Hoorah!!!
No Quarter
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 8:04amI think more guns are good for freedom loving American.
Report Post »I do not think a few large companies should manufacture them all.. Too easy for any company to fail somehow and if too big; could effect the market
We need more small start up companies making firearms in this country.
P.S. that 1911R looks real nice…
On The Silent Wings Of Freedom
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 8:11am@No Quarter 3:04 am
It really does, doesn’t it?
Report Post »I was truly thinking exactly the same thing. I love the trigger and the grip.
V-MAN MACE
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 8:21amBuild your own guns.
Focus on directed energy weapons and electromagnetic railguns.
Report Post »WarriorPitbull
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 8:47amThat Remmy 887 shotty is pretty sweet too.
Report Post »2ndAkeepsmefree
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 8:00amOur armed citizenry is the only thing that keeps the would-be totalitarians of both parties at bay. We must defend it with our very lives or become slaves to the ruling class. If this administration gets re elected the 2nd Amendment is in serious trouble. As a lame duck he will do all he can to cripple our right to defend ourselves (against criminals and government) Buy, buy, buy ammo, a good rifle, a shotgun and a handgun. God willing you will never need them and can pass them on to your sons and daughters…
Report Post »Chuck Stein
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 5:55pmObama made me a gun owner.
Report Post »FranklinK
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 7:54amMany people advocate the purchase of guns and ammunition. I agree with this advice. Don’t neglect the purchase of spare parts! Buy a bolt/carrier, FCG, and spring/pin kit as a minimum for your AR. A complete rebuild kit is preferable.
Report Post »mrsalvage2
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 7:44amLooks like business to me.
So they are catching up the strugglers.
I am not concerned about ARs and other old dead technology. I like old re-emerging technology like AK, 308, 45 and suppression.
Report Post »Meyvn
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 7:28amhttp://indianapost113.com/wp-content/audio/SoldierSpeaksOut.mp3
Report Post »sissykatz
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 8:30amSomehow it bothers me no matter who owns Freedom Group. I think that
is getting to be too much like a monopoly. It scares me when groups buy
up all these businesses in effect buying their competition. They can still
set prices are make a gun scarce and controll the market price for that
item. It is just not a good thing in my opinion. If it really did happen that
it is Soros or another Ideaolical fool. They can create a shortage or even
make them unavailable to us.
I donated to the group that was trying to get the rifles back from ‘S.Korea
Report Post »that they were given by us to use in the war. When they offered them back
to us Obama squashed that like a bug. .
BCPATIOT
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 7:30pmThat was pretty cool
Report Post »SpankDaMonkey
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 7:21am.
Report Post »Tac Ops Tango 51 go ahead and stand 1100 meters out……………
KwikKarl
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 7:16amFROM THE NRA: Internet Rumors About Cerberus, Freedom Group Are Patently False
Report Post »Friday, October 14, 2011
http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?ID=7136
GUNNSUP
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 7:14amI hope that any would be tyrannt that may be sitting in the oval office, NYC mayor’ s chair, NY (D) senate office, US DOJ reads this loud and clear….
Report Post »Cuthalu
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 7:10amThe progressive’s tactic is simple, since they can not out right ban firearms they instead slowly start buying up any american company making them and then later side with the government on such sever restrictions that the 2nd admendment is nothing more than words on a paper, meaningless.
Report Post »GhostOfLiberty
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 7:27amIf one digs int Ceberus Holdings, they will find out that it IS actually controlled by Soros. I am disappointed in the staff here at The Blaze. They are starting to spread disinformation right now, and that is troubling. I think I am just going to sit back and observe to see what falsehoods are posted next…GhostOfLiberty is now watching silently from the shadows to get to the bottom of what might be motivating the staff, and possibly Beck to allow disinformation to be spread when they claim they are speaking truth.
Note for Glenn: It has been asked who will watch the watchers. I am now watching the watcher.
Stay safe, Patriots. And if it smells funny, dig into it and force the truth to come to light.
Report Post »On The Silent Wings Of Freedom
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 7:49am@GHOSTOFLIBERTY
Report Post »I have the same sort of thoughts sometimes when I consider how Glenn dug soooooo deeply into everything, yet didn’t seem to wonder, or worry about, or inform us about …
The Bilderberg Group
Locked
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 7:53am@Ghost
Please show us your “digging.” Inquiring minds want to know what you found, where you found it, and most importantly, who is telling it to you.
Report Post »On The Silent Wings Of Freedom
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 8:05am@GOSTOFLIBERTY courtesy of KWIKKARL
Internet Rumors About Cerberus, Freedom Group Are Patently False
Friday, October 14, 2011
Recently, an old rumor regarding Cerberus–the private equity firm that owns Freedom group, a holding company that in turn owns a number of firearms manufacturers, including Remington, Marlin, Bushmaster, and DPMS–was in some way tied to George Soros.
This rumor is completely false and baseless.
NRA has had contact with officials from Cerberus and Freedom Group for some time. The owners and investors involved are strong supporters of the Second Amendment and are avid hunters and shooters.
In reality, at no time has George Soros ever been a part of the ownership group of Freedom Group or Cerberus, and as a privately traded corporation, there is no possibility that he will be in the future.
This unsubstantiated rumor has caused a great deal of unnecessary concern for gun owners. NRA-ILA urges our members to take great care before repeating baseless rumors found on the Internet.
http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?ID=7136
Report Post »jado1981
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 8:50amLike LOCKED said, show us your “diggings”, and we will all be in the know as well. Just because it came to you in an email saying that it was true, doesn’t make it so… I got one of those emails, and in 3 minutes, I had several factual statements about who owns the freedom group, who owns cerebrus, and not once was boy george in there at all, besides in the rumors section. I was sure to pass that back along those that had been forwarded the email as well. It is only responsible to squash the stupid bug of disinformation when it appears.
Don’t believe everything that you are told, Question it, Boldly.
Report Post »Chief Joe
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 7:09amI been saying it for three years now…KEEP YOUR POWDER DRY! Many conspiracy theories abound about the upcoming election. One never knows when one may need to defend their property, family, country, constitution or self.
All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing – Edmund Burke
Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety-Benjamin Franklin
“I can imagine no more rewarding a career. And any man who may be asked in this century what he did to make his life worthwhile, I think can respond with a good deal of pride and satisfaction: ‘I served in the United States Navy.’” – John F. Kenned
Report Post »On The Silent Wings Of Freedom
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 6:58amAs I was growing up in the ’60s, my father cut out and put on the refrigerator every article he saw that involved a child finding his parents weapon and injuring (or killing) himself or a playmate. My dad was obviously not a big fan of guns.
Report Post »Apparently, he changed his tune, because in the ’90s and beyond, he sent me articles describing the drops in violent crime rates in those areas where people were permitted to carry guns.
Turns out he did the math. Sure, guns are dangerous, and need to be handled and stored carefully.
But by far-and-away, more violence is thwarted than caused by legally owned and operated guns,
very often WITHOUT firing a single shot.
TheMrKiK
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 7:04amI know it is crazy isn’t it… I mean 40,000 people die every year by a car crash… and most are legally owned. That’s horrible – and makes me cry. We should ban cars.
79,000 deaths related to alcohol each year – ouch! Let’s ban alcohol.
1.2million people have heart attacks each year and many die from it – lets ban hearts.
I mean good thing we banned illegal drugs – phew – could you imagine if we didn’t ban them and how available they would be on the streets?!?! I mean you could almost walk down a corner and buy drugs at any time if they weren’t banned…. banning clearly fixes it. Good call.
Report Post »On The Silent Wings Of Freedom
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 7:12am@THEMRKIK 7:04 AM REPLY
Report Post »Dude, you are extremely obtuse. What in my comments makes you think i support gun control?
Everyhting I said speaks in SUPPORT of legal gun ownership, if not outright concealed carry.
Do I have to SPELL IT OUT for you?
Legal guns in the hands of responsible citizens is what we must preserve.
Get it?
Really?
On The Silent Wings Of Freedom
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 7:17amTHEMRKIK
Report Post »No, I looked over your comments again.
You are just plain stupid.
PPMStudios
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 8:23amI’m glad your Father came around. Actually though, guns are NOT dangerous in the slightest! The real danger lies in the hands of the individual holding the gun.
I got my first gun in 1966; A Daisy Red-Rider. Great starter gun for a boy. My Father (who was an avid shooter) stressed gun education and safety first and foremost! Always be safe! We were taught to never touch a gun unless one of our parents knew about it and approved. To this day, I treat ALL guns as if they’re loaded. My Father said “The only gun safety to trust is the one on a dis-assembled firearm!”
Those folks out there who refer to a firearm as a weapon are misinformed too. A firearm is a tool, the weapon is the individual possessing it!
Report Post »AxelPhantom
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 10:24amMy dad taught us kids to shoot as soon as our arms were long enough to hold the shortened stock .22. He was a depression era kid (and a WWII frogman) and his parents used to hand him a gun every morning before school and tell him “go find dinner”.
Maybe your dad was trying to get you to respect the danger a loaded gun can pose to the immature mind of a child, my dad went after it a bit differently, a few exploding bullets through a melon got the point across that it is a weapon and can have serious consequences, it was not something to be played with.
Report Post »VTDave
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 2:03pmSilent you are misreading THEMRKIK’s reply to your post. He is using sarcasm about how banning things never produces the desired outcome to show that you are correct.
Report Post »On The Silent Wings Of Freedom
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 2:13pm@VTDAVE
Yeah, that’s what I thought at first. But his response to me just above was:
“ON THE SILENT WINGS OF FREEDOM –> Good call. Good thing in this country you can opt out of owning a gun, so I encourage you to follow that right. By your comments alone it proves you’re not mature enough to be around weapons, hence why you appear to be against them.”
So unless he just doesn’t know how to manufacture sarcasm correctly, I’ll go with that he is stupid.
Report Post »VTDave
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 5:00pmSilnet it is painfully obvious that he cannot see your sarcasm as I read the other posts after I commented on this one. All I can envision is a dog chasing it’s tail……
Report Post »Latter-Day-Soldier
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 5:55pmComment for SilentWings:
Report Post »Back when I was growing up in the 1980′s, my parents and I went out into the country for a picnic. we were out in the sticks and as my parents were setting up out the food, a pick-up parks directly behind our car and two guys get out and start walking towards us with a gait and expression that screamed “human predators”. My father had a .22 semi-auto pistol under the tablecloth and when he uncovered it, these two predators literally fell over each other trying to run away and spun the tires on their truck as they were “leaving”.
Later that night on the news: Law Enforcement was on the lookout for two escapees that broke into an elderly couples house, killed them, and took their pick-up truck.
That .22 was what kept those two killers from “having there way” with my mother and then killing all three of us.
One last detail, my father never even had to pick up the pistol, just the sight of it was deterrence enough for the two thugs.
Latter-Day-Soldier
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 6:04pmB.T.W., my above post is both in support of gun ownership and other posts by On The Silent Wings Of Freedom
Report Post »On The Silent Wings Of Freedom
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 4:46pm@Latter Day Soldier
Report Post »Thanks for agreeing. That is a telling account. I’m sure glad it turned out that way for you and your family – it sounds harrowing. And without a shot. Your dad was pretty smart.
My sister & brother-in-law were backpacking in the Sierras, stopped for the evening and were sitting around the fire when threatening-looking hikers approached. My b-in-law simply craddled his .45 in his lap, and the thugs moved on. I think people often overlook this effect when they consider.gun control.
@PPMSTUDIOS
That’s an excellent rule – to treat ALL guns as if they were loaded. More sage advice.
1966; A Daisy Red-Rider – Just like the movie! Ha!
@AXELPHANTOM
I am sure you are right about my father’s intentions. But I also got the sneaking suspicion he was trying to “groom” me into being a non-gun owning person. Although he served in the NAVY WWII,
he never owned a gun at home.
TheMrKiK
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 6:56amSure buy the garbage mentioned above if you want (specifically speaking to the ARs they showed) – or keep it local and with true American companies that can make a difference. LaRue Tactical – best assault rifles money can buy, made in Texas by a company that runs itself – http://www.laruetactical.com
ON THE SILENT WINGS OF FREEDOM –> Good call. Good thing in this country you can opt out of owning a gun, so I encourage you to follow that right. By your comments alone it proves you’re not mature enough to be around weapons, hence why you appear to be against them.
Report Post »On The Silent Wings Of Freedom
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 7:05am@Themrkik
Report Post »Are you stupid or silly?
If that wasn’t a tongue-in-cheek comment, you should put on your glasses, drink another sip of coffee and try reading my comment(s) again slowly ….
WarriorPitbull
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 9:03amI have a LaRue and a DPMS (6.8mm) and I love them both, there’s nothing wrong with DPMS at all. One of the nicest rifles I‘ve owned and I’ve owned a few. In fact many have put DPMS among the ‘top 3’. Spikes makes great stuff too, BTW.
Report Post »ramburner
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 6:50amIf the Untied States is to maintain the freedom we have enjoyed since our founding, we must maintain our rights to own and use weapons of all sizes. Once this right is lost, we will be imprisoned by our leaders and ripe and ready for slaughter. May God keep our nation strong and free.
Report Post »On The Silent Wings Of Freedom
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 6:46amWould you rather be dead, or in jail explaining why you had to use your weapon?
45
Because they don’t make a 46
Report Post »NoahsDad
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 8:45am45, because shooting twice is just silly;-)
Report Post »Halloween
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 11:27amThey do make a .46
Smith & Wesson .460
Report Post »BuckeyeWithA45
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 11:31amWith the newer magazines you just dont lose the “firepower” by carrying a .45 anymore. My Tarus holds 10 +1 vs most of the 9mms 13-15 rounds. Ill take the .45 one shot stopping power every single time thanks.
Report Post »Th3 TriNitY
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 11:43amThat reminds me of the article about when the reporter asked a marine sniper what he felt when he shot a enemy and without a hesitation he replied “recoil.”
That is such a great answer.
Report Post »swalt
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 4:11pmBuckeye, my Glock 21 (.45 cal) holds 13 in the mag and one in the chamber. And it is ACCURATE! Not made in the USA, but a fine, fine tool.
Report Post »IslandMama
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 6:44amWho is the Freedom Group?
Report Post »On The Silent Wings Of Freedom
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 6:43amThe experts agree. Gun control works!
Report Post »Just ask some of these successful implementers of gun control:
Hitler
Castro
Qaddafi
Stalin
Idi Amin
Mao Tse-Tung
Pol Pot
Kim Jong-Il
On The Silent Wings Of Freedom
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 6:39amGUN CONTROL:
Report Post »The theory that a woman found dead in an alley, raped and strangled with her own pantyhose, is somwhow morally superior to a woman explaining to police how her attacker got that fatal bullet wound.
Police
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 6:54amright on!
Report Post »bhohater
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 7:38amWhen seconds count, the police are only minutes away. If you don’t have a permit to carry, carry anyway.
Report Post »BCPATIOT
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 6:53pmAn oldie ,but a goody. :-)
Report Post »From a womens point of view…ha
Lucky Strikes
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 6:37amI’m buying guns LEFT and RIGHT!!!! Every other week adding another one.
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 7:09amsome day a dealer will get a bunch of guns cheap at your estate sale……….
Report Post »Baddoggy
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 7:25am@republicorp…He will die a free man. You will die a fool.
Report Post »drago
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 8:06am@Lucky
Report Post »There is an old saying, that goes something like this, “Fear the man who only owns one gun”.
LastAmerican
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 8:47amI am buying what I can also. I have three boys and am trying to get them all a handgun, a rifle and a shotgun before something goofy happens.
Report Post »eagle2715
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 4:30pmGood for you lucky…Wish we all had the assets to do so…I’m at about a “new” one every 6 months…About the same pace the gun shows come through town ;)
Report Post »rightwinger76
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 5:27pmWhen the SHTF, guns and ammo will be the new form of currency. Many of us will be well off.
Report Post »NoRoomForSocialismHere
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 8:24pmReCORPES we have several generations on the ground who will take on the mantle of honor and truth
Report Post »SkunkWorks
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 6:37amCerberus what? you got to be Fing kidding me. That is the same investment group that bought Chrysler from Obummer then sold it to Fiat.
Report Post »wkw58
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 6:58amI believe you are correct on that.
Report Post »Texas Chris
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 7:42amAnd somehow that makes them NOT affiliated with Spookydude.
Go figure.
Report Post »50BMG
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 7:58amCerberus didn’t “sell” Chrysler to Fiat. They lost control, and their investment, when Chrysler went into bankruptcy.
The Obama administration “gave” Chrysler to Fiat as part of their take-over and bailout.
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