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Does Pope Benedict XVI Believe That Human Beings Cause Global Warming?

Posted on November 28, 2011 at 12:17pm by Billy Hallowell
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Pope Benedict XVI May Believe That Man Causes Global Warming

VATICAN CITY (The Blaze/AP) — Pope Benedict XVI called Sunday for delegates attending this week’s U.N. climate change conference in South Africa to craft a responsible and credible deal to cut greenhouse gases that takes into account the needs of the poor. This call poses an intriguing question: Does the Pope believe that human beings are responsible for global warming?

Some 25,000 government officials, lobbyists and scientists are expected to attend the two-week conference that opens Monday in Durban. The immediate focus is the pending expiration of the Kyoto Protocol, the 1997 agreement requiring 37 industrialized countries to slash carbon emissions to 5 percent below 1990 levels by 2012.

Western governments are expected to try to get China and other growing economies to accept legally binding curbs on greenhouse gases, as well. Poor countries want the signatories to accept further reductions in a second commitment period up to at least 2017.

Pope Benedict XVI May Believe That Man Causes Global Warming Benedict, who has been dubbed the “green pope” for his environmental concerns, launched an appeal Sunday to government representatives attending the Durban conference to craft a responsible revised Kyoto deal.

In 2007, Mail Online reported that the Pope had issued some statements for World Peace Day that showed he was somewhat skeptical of global warming alarmism:

The leader of more than a billion Roman Catholics suggested that fears over man-made emissions melting the ice caps and causing a wave of unprecedented disasters were nothing more than scare-mongering.

The German-born Pontiff said that while some concerns may be valid it was vital that the international community based its policies on science rather than the dogma of the environmentalist movement. [...]

The 80-year-old Pope said the world needed to care for the environment but not to the point where the welfare of animals and plants was given a greater priority than that of mankind.

By 2011, after receiving more information from scientists about climate change, it seemed the Pope and the Vatican were beginning to support efforts to curb carbon emissions.

“I hope that all members of the international community agree on a responsible and credible response to this worrisome and complex phenomenon, taking into account the needs of the poorest and future generations,” he said during his traditional Sunday blessing from his studio overlooking St. Peter’s Square this week.

Benedict denounced the failure of world leaders to agree to a successor treaty to Kyoto during a 2009 U.N. climate summit in Copenhagen. He said then that world peace depends on safeguarding God’s creation.

Pope Benedict XVI May Believe That Man Causes Global Warming The 84-year-old German pope has voiced increasing concern about protecting the environment in his encyclicals, during foreign trips, speeches to diplomats and in his annual peace message. Under Benedict’s watch, the Vatican has installed photovoltaic cells on its main auditorium to convert sunlight into electricity and has joined a reforestation project aimed at offsetting its CO2 emissions.

For the pontiff, it’s a moral issue: Church teaching holds that man must respect creation because it‘s destined for the benefit of humanity’s future. He has argued that climate change and natural catastrophes threaten people’s rights to life, food, health and ultimately peace.

Based on his statements and actions, it does seem as though the head of the Catholic Church has become much more favorable to the notion that human beings are responsible for changes in the climate.

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Comments (453)

MB1
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 1:16pm
Let the Catholic bashing begin….blaa blaa blaaa,, we get it, your all born again or protestant.
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- sta
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 1:21pm
  Ya got that right!!!!
  Just another day on The Blaze.
  
  For all those who don’t know, the Pope is a man. He is allowed his opinion. Unless it’s a matter of faith, Catholics can disagree with him.
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- The10thAmendment
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 1:41pm
  I’m Catholic, and I believe that the Church has gotten into bed with the whore and committed fornication with her, and is actively drinking the wine (false doctrine) of wormwood and spreading it to the flock.
  
  Man is not, and never will be above God. There are simply some acts which are indefensible, and the lack of truth and righteous judgment coming from Vatican City makes the Church apostate.
  
  There’s no real process for leaving, but out of respect to my Priest (now former) I composed a letter of disavowment. I will not allow the perversion of the leadership to cause harm to the doctrine of Christ. My faith is dependent on Jesus, and my salvation is dependent on His Grace, and His Grace alone. To sit in congregation and know that the leaders are perverting Christs message is to by that, agree with doctrine. No thank you. Strike my name from their role.
  
  For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. (Romans 8:38-39)
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- Dismayed Veteran
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 1:52pm
  Let’s not forget:
  
  We are part of the New World Order.
  
  We are cult members.
  
  We worship dead people called saints.
  
  Rome is the Whore of Bablyon.
  
  The Church is the Beast.
  
  The Pope is the Anit-Christ.
  
  There was no Catholic Church before the Nicaea in 325AD. and they got it wrong.
  
  Most priests are pedaphiles and those that aren’t are having relations with nuns.
  
  Catholics don’t read the Bible.
  
  Our Bible is wrong, the only correct bible is King James Version.
  
  We worship Mary.
  
  And the most pointed: We can’t sing as well as Protestants.
  
  I think I covered most of it.
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- genennene
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 4:47pm
  10thAmendment, sorry, but you are no longer Catholic. Your philosophy places your thought above God. God created the Church, and you have turned away from it. I pray that you will return to the Church of Jesus Christ.
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- SavedByTheLamb
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 11:32am
  Genennene – Amen. People are blinded by hubris and a false sense of self-authority. The heresy of Americanism.
  
  The unforgivable sin – the sin against the Holy Spirit. That is, representing lies as the truth and truth as lies.
  
  Sad so many have turned away from the narrow way. The end will come like a thief in the night.
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- Rozlee
  Posted on December 28, 2011 at 5:33pm
  The Pope is definitely propagandizing global climate change. The Pontifical Academy of Sciences, an office in the Holy See, put out a study earlier in the year called, “The Fate of Mountain Glaciers of the Anthropocene.” It states that global warming is occuring and that humans are responsible for it by their use of fossil fuels and carbon dioxide emiting energy sources. “The Fate of Mountain Glaciers of the Anthropocene” leaves no room for argument. It states that man, and man alone, is contributing to the earth’s warming. The Whore of Babylon and the short, fat little Anti-Christ pedophile say so! RAmen, ya’ll and let the Christian loving between Cathylicks and Prostates begin.
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REPUB1
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 1:16pm
why does the Mother church still have Christ nailed to the cross?? Mother meaning “Mother of Harlets” as stated in Rev.17 global warming just what does that MORON know about it?
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- demint.disciple
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 1:55pm
  Who cares if man does cause it what do you want to live forever .. I could care less either way..
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- Eliasim
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 1:58pm
  It doesn’t matter why. The Mid-East is going to form a Caliphate and they are going to swallow the Catholic church.
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- Athanasius
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 2:06pm
  What does anti-Catholic hate mongering have to do with “global warming”? And why do you ignore what it says in scripture? We don’t “keep Christ nailed to the cross”, we follow the example of St. Paul who says “We preach Christ crucified” (1Corinthians 1:23) and “For I judged not myself to know anything among you but Jesus Christ, and Him crucified” (1 Corinthians 2:2). As for Rev. 17, the Great Whore is Caesar, clothed in the imperial colors (Rev. 17:4) and “drunk with the blood of God’s people and with the blood of those who had borne their testimony to Jesus” (Rev. 17:6). It was the Caesars whom put the martyrs to death, while virtually every pope for the first several centuries of the Church was, himself, martyred for the faith. I don’t expect to reach a heart hardened by hate, but people of good will should know that the bigotry expressed in your post is based not on scripture, but on the false traditions of men.
- Brad
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 2:09pm
  So much nonsense about false scientific studies. Think of the Billions of dollars that are being burned. Forget global warming…What about monetary burning? This entire Green initiative is based deception… Please educate yourselves about the United Nation’s drive to force governments take our property rights, and all in the name of being good stewards to the environment. It’s a hoax people…Wake up!
  
  http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Green-Agenda/264100833636368?ref=tn_tnmn
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- AvengerK
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 2:13pm
  And in another blow against the warmist fraud..Canada is opting out of the Kyoto Protocols.
  Now a member of G-8 is pulling out of the Kyoto Protocols.
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- Ariapriest
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 2:14pm
  Thank you ATHANASIUS! It is nice to see someone of faith with common sense around here.
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- commie_LOVER
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 2:40pm
  Because that cross is the reason for the incarnation. It is the reason you have salvation and eternal life (if you accept it). Check out Catholicism and Fundamentalism if you have further questions.
  
  http://www.amazon.com/Catholicism-Fundamentalism-Attack-Romanism-Christians/dp/0898701775/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1322509188&sr=8-1
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- genennene
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 2:44pm
  Your answer indicates that you are the moron, an idiot and bigot.
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- NHwinter
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 3:37pm
  The Pope is exactly right. We should do all we can to preserve our environment but not at the expense of people over animals and plants. If our heart is right, we can protect our environment and the animals and plants. You don’t put businesses and mines out of work with horrendous bills like Cap and Trade! You don’t have energy bills skyrocket as Obama said. Over the decades we have dramatically cleaned our air and water and land.
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- AFeatherAdrift
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 3:59pm
  Yeah, DeMint, I bet your kids love you too.
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- bgrayman
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 3:59pm
  This isn’t a theological blog. I love how you fundamentalists like to mix your confused theology in everything.
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- Dudley Do-Right
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 4:14pm
  Which Chick comic book did you get that from? Come on REPUB1, tell us about The Death Cookie again?
  
  http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0074/0074_01.asp
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- smackdown33
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 4:19pm
  Get the US. out of the U.N., and all other worldly entanglements.
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- Okie from Muskogee
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 4:25pm
  @Athanasius
  
  You are way off base. Caesar is no such thing as you mentioned. A Catholic should never come denouncing following man made traditions when the Catholic Church adopts and follows so many falsely believing they can turn Pagan days into “holydays”…You are denouncing the very traditions you follow!
  
  Papal reign from 538AD-1798Ad was the reign of the Anti-Christ.the Catholic Church, your Church, killed more believers then any other time period on Earth for not following how the Pope said to believe. Foxes book of martyrs will show you just that. That reign aligns perfectly with Biblical prophecy as well as the Papal reign receiving a head wound in 1798, taken from power, and later had it healed thru the Lateran Treaty and became a Church State again.
  
  The whore of Babylon is your church and any who follow it and keep it’s doctrine. Babylon was a common name for Rome and your Church has adopted much of the Pagan practices which are anti-Christ. Your leaders fancy themselves as Christ on Earth and leader of ALL faiths and every Nation around the world wonders after it’s approval.
  
  As for the Global Warming bit, it‘s simply one piece of the Club of Rome’s agenda. Look at their website and see just that. The Pope could tell you straight to your face he‘s a global warmer believer and you would still deny it because you don’t want to believe the truth. Wake up!
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- MIBUGNU2
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 4:33pm
  Of course Man is !!! Started when we discovered FIRE, HUH ??
  Now we have Leeches that have discovered how to make $$$$$
  from what Man started Thousands of years ago !! Now WE must
  Pay and Pay say these Leeches…While they make BILLIONS,
  ie: Al Gore…Check out his net worth in the past few Years..
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- Okie from Muskogee
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 4:49pm
  Here is the link to the Club of Rome and the agendas they push politically thru all Nations around the World. The Club of Rome is the political arm of the Vatican.
  
  http://www.clubofrome.org/?p=697
  
  Have a great day!
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- The10thAmendment
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 5:09pm
  @ Okie from Muskogee
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 4:49pm
  
  Here is the link to the Club of Rome and the agendas they push politically thru all Nations around the World. The Club of Rome is the political arm of the Vatican.
  
  http://www.clubofrome.org/?p=697
  
  Have a great day!
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  You have some odd thoughts on some things, but on this particular subject dealing with the COR you’re right.
  
  I have a little correction to that though. It is ALL false doctrine that gives the beast (COR) it’s authority, but it’s the COR (beast) that rules.
  
  I know that you’re not a Christian, but if you have a Bible read Revelation 17. The whore is mystery Babylon. Mystery Babylon is a whole plethora of false teachings and the worship of many different gods, whether that is Lucifer, Satan, Pan (the hidden man), Zeus, Saturn, Mercury, etc. Read the accounts of Ptolemy IV and the worship of Dionysian creeds, or Bacchus. You’ll see, and I‘m sure that you’ll agree, that it is a representation of the current theological fornication of just about every religion. (sure is a condemnation of collective theology when seen in that light, and why salvation is personal and one on one.)
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- Dudley Do-Right
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 5:10pm
  And here is the link proving you’re a Jack Chick NUT!
  
  “The Vatican conspiracy is so extensive that, through the Jesuits, Rome controls the Illuminati, the Council on Foreign Relations, international bankers, the Mafia, the Club of Rome, the Masons, and the New Age movement.[10]”
  
  http://www.devthrone.com/library/sr_chick_tracts_p1.asp
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- by faith
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 5:22pm
  Opie, Opie, Opie
  still spreading your lies I see. Go back to preaching to your horses, they understand you
  The Club of Rome is the political arm of the Vatican? Uh, No.
  I looked at your link and there is no (zero none nada ziltch) reference to an affiliation with the Catholic Church or Vatican City. Oh but wait, now I get it…by not claiming they are connected, means that they are connected.
  You read the Club of Rome website like you read the Bible. Insert what is not there to fit your beliefs and you pass over what is there that does not fit.
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- lrgon
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 5:24pm
  Jesus on the cross represents love nailed to the cross to remind us that Love came to this world and we nailed the purist form of love to a wooden cross. Yet, God forgave us from that cross and 3 days later, as He promised us,He was resurrected from the dead.
  
  Now as far a Pope (papa) giving advice on climate change he really is off on that one! He is placing his powerful position as head of the Catholic Church behind those that consider the earth the mother (Gaiaism) instead of Mary the Mother of God. Revelations 12: the “woman” that will give birth to a son that will rule with a “rod of iron.”
  
  “And a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars. She was pregnant and was crying out in birth pains and the agony of giving birth.”
  
  “And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that when she bore her child he might devour it. She gave birth to a male child, one who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron, but her child was caught up to God and to his throne, and the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God,…”
  
  Pope’s have been known to be influenced by bad advisors. Those advisors need to show the Pope the emails by men who hide evidence from the public that shows that man-caused global warming and even global warming in general is not showing up in the data. http://www.thenewamerican.com/tech-mainmenu-30/enviro
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- Dudley Do-Right
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 5:46pm
  When the Whore falls we read, “Rejoice over her, O heaven, O saints and apostles and prophets, for God has given judgment for you against her! . . . And in her was found the blood of prophets and of saints, and of all who have been slain on earth” (Rev. 18:20, 24). This shows that the Whore persecuted not just Christians but apostles and prophets. Apostles existed only in the first century, since one of the requirements for being an apostle was seeing the risen Christ (1 Cor. 9:1). Prophets existed as a group only in the Old Testament and the first century (Acts 11:27–28, 13:1, 15:32, 21:10).
  
  Since the Whore persecuted apostles and prophets, the Whore must have existed in the first century. This demolishes the claim that Christian Rome or Vatican City is the Whore. Rome was not a Christian city at that time, and Vatican City did not even exist, so neither of them could be the Whore.
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- Okie from Muskogee
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 5:50pm
  @10th Amendment
  
  Howdy! I’m a believer and follower of Jesus Christ and that is my Faith. My Church is non denominational and attends on Saturday, the Sabbath. Just for clarity so I’m not accused of being a non believer as many simply interpret “Christian” as belief in Jesus when actually it’s a Catholic label.
  
  As for your request to read Revelations 17 wouldn’t you agree all that you listed is false worship and pagan and most were adopted by Roman Catholics and presented thru her as Holy? A part of each of those can be found in Catholic doctrine and doctrine now preached and used in most Protestant Churches. It’s almost as if they have become an image of her…….
  
  Yup, I think outside the box and many find that odd because it goes against the boxed in view most blindly follow. I only see what God shows me.
  
  Are you of the seed of Abraham? I am thru Jesus Christ.
  
  Appreciate you much.
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- Okie from Muskogee
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 6:07pm
  @Faith
  
  “Insert what is not there to fit your beliefs and you pass over what is there that does not fit.”
  
  This coming from you who proclaims Peter was named pope though many many many many many many many many verses show that is a total LIE and you skip right past them…..
  
  If you are blind to the Club of Rome, ok. Denial is the first stage.
  
  Your insults only show the spirit of your heart. If you desire to practice Catholicism, go for it. If you’d like to discuss the Bible, we can, but if you come in the spirit of Satan to simply insult and be vile, you will find yourself speaking to yourself.
  
  Your Church keeps Pagan practices from the Druids, the Greeks, the Romans, Babylonians and on and on and on and you say it’s to bring more into the Church. You then say the Whore was Pagan, the very Pagan you practice. Until you address why you can practice Pagan and it ok but Pagan before you was the whore and evil we have nothing to speak about as your standing on sand and in complete contradiction of yourself.
  
  Have a great day.
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- The10thAmendment
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 6:16pm
  @ Okie from Muskogee
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 5:50pm
  
  @10th Amendment
  
  Are you of the seed of Abraham? I am thru Jesus Christ.
  
  Appreciate you much.
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  Forgive me for misreading (misjudging your position). Most doctrine in the various sects have come thru Rome based on the Council of Nicea. Most Churches also continue in rituals that are peculiar to them, whether we see them as ritual or not. Only the Spirit can witness IN us what is of God.
  
  On this topic I‘m sure that we’ve read a lot of the same material, and the arguments against that material. At least I hope I’ve been willing to hear both sides. and leave it in the hands of who sits on the throne of my life to send the Spirit to teach me.
  
  I am of the “promise” seed of Abraham, so I am glad to call you brother.
  
  What‘s your position of our current idea’s of Saturnalia or Brumalia?
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- ForwardRebel
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 6:33pm
  as a practicing Catholic, we turn to the Cross to always remember that it is through the blood of Jesus Christ, and His sacrifice on that Cross, that is our salvation for making it into Heaven. When we went into Germany after the war, it was very important to take all pictures so we would never forget what the nazi’s did. An important note about the Catholic faith is that Jesus’ Mother, Mary, has visited many people in recent history. I do not know any other faith which has experienced Her visitations. The point is that we must be doing something right. hence, be careful on what you say. You could be very wrong.
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- by faith
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 6:33pm
  Opie
  I see you and the english language are still at odds
  and don’t bother me with your personal “interpritation” of KJV
  Non Denominational/Seventh Day what a combination you have going
  
  John Henry Cardinal Newman once said, “To be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant.”
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- AOL_REFUGEE
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 6:39pm
  Maybe it’s the ongoing gaseous expulsions. Or the neverending steaming nuggets. But, in this micrososm of the universe called earth, doesn’t the sum total of matter and energy remain relatively constant? For every BTU ‘created’, isn’t one ‘destroyed’? Like an air conditioner or a refrigerator, the resultant heat produced from one side/location is accompanied by cooling in another. Yes? No? Perhaps?
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- Okie from Muskogee
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 6:41pm
  @10th Amendment
  
  I grew up practicing those “holidays”, my parents found it to be normal. As a mature believer I do not believe one can label something holy God has deemed evil and not of Him. As seed of Abraham were are to be honest, even to ourselves, therefore practicing a lie saying it‘s about something it isn’t really isn’t of God or something that would honor Him. My faith believes it is simply an excuse to be of the World. The spirit of it is about material and self.
  
  To me personally it’s the same as the dope head saying he can blow one in the name of God to justify it.
  
  Satan isn’t coming with horns and a pitch fork. He’s coming to deceive and manipulate so we are fooled into worship of him thru perverted worship of God.
  
  I’m not a Catholic hater either. I know many great Catholics and a lot who have left that faith upon seeing and accepting the falsehoods taught. Sometimes they just need a little encouragement.
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- The10thAmendment
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 7:06pm
  @ Okie from Muskogee
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 6:41pm
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  I believe that your answer is right Okie. But we also have to be careful in how to apply that. We can present the facts to others, but it’s the Spirits job to show it to our brothers. We don’t know sin until it appears sin!
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- Okie from Muskogee
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 7:34pm
  @Florida *******
  
  Truth stands every time and thru every argument against it. For every one arguing against it, two see it and search it out. Regardless of the mocking and persecution we must stand firm in truth and share it thru love. It is what life is all about. Keep the faith and know this life is simply the initiation to the real life! Stay safe!
  
  @10th Amendment
  
  I agree, presentation is important but I also recognize sometimes truth can only be presented by simply speaking it. That truth stirs the spirit in those hearing it and they can either listen to the Spirit or they can push it away and harden their hearts. I appreciate you much. Stay safe!
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- Okie from Muskogee
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 7:43pm
  @Faith
  
  I see you and the Word of God are still at odds.
  
  Your continuance of addressing me as “opie” only shows your intended disrespect. We all see what your heart is speaking and it is not what Christ would speak.
  
  I’m not SDA but you try to label me as such for keeping the Sabbath. Oddly, SDA gets more correct then you do. You are simply grabbing for straws to throw insults because you cannot defend your exposed position.
  
  Don’t bother me with your personal interpretation of Pagan justification.
  Paganism in a “house of God”…What a combination you have going.
  
  If you‘d like quotes I’ll gladly provide all the quotes until your hearts content of former Catholics leaders who left her deeming her the religion of anti-Christ….I don’t think we have anything further to discuss. Have a great evening.
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- joe1234
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 8:31pm
  “The10thAmendment
  
  I believe that your answer is right Okie. But we also have to be careful in how to apply that. We can present the facts to others, but it’s the Spirits job to show it to our brothers.”
  
  I would be careful about calling opie a ‘brother’ he doesn’t believe in the trinity…ie he’s not a christian…but a member of some heretical cult he refuses to name…probably a JW.
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- Okie from Muskogee
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 9:10pm
  @Joel1234
  
  Nope, I sure do not believe in Catholicism’s form of “Trinity one” because the Bible clearly shows it’s not true. I do believe in the God Head where the Father is supreme, Son is supreme authority and Spirit is Divine.
  
  Good try but no my faith is not JW. I do find JW are more knowledgeable around the GodHead then your faiths false claims of “one” which is practiced by Pagans, Muslims, Jews, Satanists and all other Apostate religions. See the common theme here, there’s a reason your faith preaches the same as other apostates…….
  
  Your faith has a habit to label anyone not believing as them a “cult” and persecuting them….You carry that torch well, sadly…..
  
  Believe as you wish Joel. Please keep do not speak about me. You are not a person I want my name associated with due to your constant vile and hateful comments and inability to hold a civil conversation. Thanks.
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- The10thAmendment
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 9:32pm
  @ joe1234
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 8:31pm
  
  “The10thAmendment
  
  I would be careful about calling opie a ‘brother’ he doesn’t believe in the trinity…ie he’s not a christian…but a member of some heretical cult he refuses to name…probably a JW.
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  Pretty sure he believes in Christ crucified, raised from the dead where He sits at the right hand of the Father, as the first fruits of the resurrection, by whose blood we are sanctified and washed clean and adopted into the Kingdom. And that there is no other name under Heaven whereby we must be saved.
  
  I see no problem with that. Those are the first fruits. If the root (Jesus) is Holy, so too are His branches, and His fruits.
  
  I’m certain that I may have some doctrinal differences with him, and a lot of people (even my Priest), but as long as there’s a belief in the first fruits, doctrine will be taught thru the Spirit, if we study to show ourselves approved of God.
  
  Things which I know of God today, are more advanced than when I first believed and began my child like walk. By the Grace of God what I know today will one day “appear” as the breadth of what I knew as a newborn in Christ. God grant me the strength to finish the race. That’s also my prayer for my brother and sisters in Christ.
  
  There are a bunch of screen names from here on my prayer list.
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- Okie from Muskogee
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 9:47pm
  Joe
  
  That cursing sure is a sign of what your heart speaks. Is that representative of your faith….
  
  You spoke about me, that was part of the original request as well. Please do not post to me, about me, and we will not speak.
  
  If you look above you will see the “hellish” “cult” I belong to.
  
  Most Protestants did not agree with your faith’s understanding of “trinity one” and have slowly turned back to her doctrine. Believe as you wish. If my faith‘s not keeping of your religion’s doctrine of “trinity one” makes it a cult to you, ok.
  
  Let’s no hash out the “threat” debate as I still have the link showing who started what that can be posted.
  
  Again, please do not post to me, about me and we will not speak. I believe in Jesus’s words of not casting pearls to swine.
  
  Goodbye.
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- arx
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 9:59pm
  you guys going back and forth knocking the Church would be funny if you weren’t two lost souls struggling in the dark. I only wish you knew the inner peace and strength attending daily Mass and saying the rosary gives.
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- joe1234
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 10:42pm
  “Pretty sure he believes in Christ crucified, raised from the dead where He sits at the right hand of the Father, as the first fruits of the resurrection, by whose blood we are sanctified and washed clean and adopted into the Kingdom. And that there is no other name under Heaven whereby we must be saved.”
  
  really? what ‘christ’ is that now? since he doesn’t believe in the Jesus of the Bible…so you don’t agree that the trinity is one of the fundamental beliefs of christianity…in fact it separates those who are christians from those who call themselves ‘christians’ like the JWs, mormons, etc.
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- joe1234
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 10:44pm
  “That cursing sure is a sign of what your heart speaks. Is that representative of your faith….”
  
  you mean like your threats and your anti-semitism??? hmmmm???? you holier-than-thou hypocrite.
  
  “You spoke about me, that was part of the original request as well. Please do not post to me, about me, and we will not speak.”
  
  I’ll speak about you anytime I want, and post to you anytime I want…whatcha gonna do, issue more threats you wacko?
  
  “Most Protestants did not agree with your faith’s understanding of “trinity one” and have slowly turned back to her doctrine. ”
  
  post your proof…you can’t you lying piece of trash.
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- joe1234
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 10:47pm
  “Things which I know of God today, are more advanced than when I first believed and began my child like walk”
  
  so you’ve moved beyond the fundamentals of the faith, into a glorious ‘new age’ huh?? let me guess where there are many paths to god and wisdom and enlightenment…hmmmm…
  
  do you agree with this:
  
  We hold that all teachers and communions that deny the doctrine of the
  Holy Trinity are outside the pale of the Christian Church.
  
  http://www.lcms.org/page.aspx?pid=415
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- joe1234
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 10:50pm
  and opie YOU told me you weren’t going to post to me anymore… I NEVER agreed to honor any of your requests…you are a LIAR. though thats not a surprise is it now?
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- joe1234
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 11:00pm
  “If you look above you will see the “hellish” “cult” I belong to. ”
  
  oh so you’re ashamed to mention it huh? no surprise…and I’m not going to waste my time reading the ramblings of a madman trying to see where you posted whatever hellish little cult you belong to.
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- joe1234
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 11:04pm
  oh and opie, aren’t you the one who said the catholic church killed 150 million people, or was that another nut-case? its hard to keep the loons straight…..
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- The10thAmendment
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 11:13pm
  @ joe1234
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 10:42pm
  
  really? what ‘christ’ is that now? since he doesn’t believe in the Jesus of the Bible…so you don’t agree that the trinity is one of the fundamental beliefs of christianity…in fact it separates those who are christians from those who call themselves ‘christians’ like the JWs, mormons, etc.
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  Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, these 3 are 1, or agree in 1. The 3 are not separable. When I see Christ Jesus, I see the Father, and the Holy Spirit at the exact same instant.
  
  Example so that we‘re clear I’d steer you to Revelation 5. Learn the mystery of the Throne and the Spirit of God and the attributes of God are easy to understand. Nor can you paint them into a tidy man made box.
  
  At Creation it wasn’t the Spirit of God who moved on the face of the deep who Created. It was the Word that called all things into being. The Wisdom of the Spirit and the Word come from the Father, because they are the Father, and the Father is them. They 3 are God. We tend to limit God thru our bias to 3 attributes, but God has more than 3. The 7 Spirits of God, the Word walks between, but for our purpose we only need to understand 3.
  
  If I try to limit God thru thoughts I misconceive, the likelihood is that I will miss the greatest of blessings. If a brother errs, I’ll pray the Father to
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- joe1234
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 11:20pm
  “Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, these 3 are 1, or agree in 1. The 3 are not separable. When I see Christ Jesus, I see the Father, and the Holy Spirit at the exact same instant.”
  
  so thats a NO, you don’t believe in the trinity…ok…what ‘church’ do you belong to?
  
  “At Creation it wasn’t the Spirit of God who moved on the face of the deep who Created”
  
  really, so the bible is wrong huh?
  
  Genesis 1:
  
  2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
  
  and what is the ‘deep who created’???? its getting spooky in here……
  
  so in other words, you’re not a christian, thanks for clearing that up
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- The10thAmendment
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 11:27pm
  @ joe1234
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 10:47pm
  
  “Things which I know of God today, are more advanced than when I first believed and began my child like walk”
  
  so you’ve moved beyond the fundamentals of the faith, into a glorious ‘new age’ huh?? let me guess where there are many paths to god and wisdom and enlightenment…hmmmm…
  
  do you agree with this:
  
  We hold that all teachers and communions that deny the doctrine of the
  Holy Trinity are outside the pale of the Christian Church.
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  This is hilarious.
  
  Because I learn Scripture, and gain new insights thru the power of the Holy Spirit it’s somehow “new age” to you. I’d recommend that you tune out the preacher and priest and turn to the Scripture, and allow the Comforter/Counselor to instruct you. What I learn was before the foundations of this world, and will be after this world is created anew.
  
  Judging by your communion comment, you’re Lutheran.
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- The10thAmendment
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 11:36pm
  @ joe1234
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 11:20pm
  
  “Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, these 3 are 1, or agree in 1. The 3 are not separable. When I see Christ Jesus, I see the Father, and the Holy Spirit at the exact same instant.”
  
  so thats a NO, you don’t believe in the trinity…ok…what ‘church’ do you belong to?
  
  “At Creation it wasn’t the Spirit of God who moved on the face of the deep who Created”
  
  really, so the bible is wrong huh?
  
  Genesis 1:
  
  2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
  
  and what is the ‘deep who created’???? its getting spooky in here……
  
  so in other words, you’re not a christian, thanks for clearing that up
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  You’re a weird person. I hear Jim Jones is visiting your church this week. Be sure to take your biodegradable cups.
  I KNOW who Jesus my Christ is. I’m doubtful by your fetus level remarks, you don’t have a clue who Christ is. Your doctrine is the same narrow minded idiocy that led to the Crusades, and the Salem witch trials. You must be a Puritan. You’re giving your Lutheran Church a bad name. You should stop.
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- Potus
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 11:47pm
  REPUB1-as a devout Catholic Christian who loves Christ and my fellow brothers and sisters who are both in the Protestant and Catholic communities as well as the non-believers, I feel sorry for you. Your the complete anthisis of what Christ stood for. Your probably (guessing) an extreme fundamentalist who gets off on slandering those who don’t agree with your doctrine. For those fundamentalist who don’t share his views, I apoligize for lumping you in with this character. REPUB1 remind me of the Pharisee’s that wanted Christ out of the way because of their hard hearts and did what they had to do to sentence the man to death. How many people who were open to a relationship with Jesus that read your blog will want anything to do with Christ because of your derogatory language. Shame on you and GROW UP!
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- Okie from Muskogee
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 11:56pm
  Joe
  
  :-(
  
  You just cannot do it can you Joe.
  
  Are you saying you do not have the ability to respect others requests or you just aren’t going to because you have a desire to be evil and vile?
  
  I’m non denominational Joe.
  
  Yes, during Papal reign estimates of up to close to 150 million for not believing as the pope deemed to believe died. They were deemed cultists like you deem those who don’t agree with you and were persecuted.
  
  No anti-Semite here, I just understand who the seed of Abraham is and that the only path to the Father is thru His Son.
  
  Now buzz off….
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- Free2speakRN
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 12:41am
  Catholics will always be persecuted, even by other Christians. They don’t understand. This is why Catholics, are called to be ‘Defenders of the Faith’. We in ‘Jesus Christ, Alone’ are saved. We know this. In the comments, there is an obvious showing of their lack of knowledge of the Catholic Faith, and also a lack of peace in the rhetoric of the attackers. Angry sometimes on the brink of Rage; a need to prove themselves, judgemental, some want to ‘muscle’ their way into our hearts, some just condemn us to hell. Hey, I don’t care if they are not Catholic. I don’t condemn them. (We aren‘t allowed to condemn ’Anybody’; just one of our ‘Boundaries for Freedom’). Look, we know and believe if one calls to Jesus on his dying breath, he’ll be saved from hell. But, we believe we are answerable to the degree God above sees fit. “God is an ‘All-Consuming’ fire.”
  I don’t doubt the Fundamentalist Faith in God, Jesus. The sad part is ‘some’ seem almost empty of God’s Love. “What good is it to move a mountain with Faith, if there is no Love”. Hence, where is the ‘edification of charity’, that satisfies the soul. As a Catholic, I move to assimilate myself to Christ. In quiet solitude, “I think to know nothing except Christ and Him crucified.” Christ, the Beginning and End, (Eternal), ‘without forgetting Him on the Cross’ as well!
  Mathew 7:21,22,23 Lord, Lord, didn’t we prophesy, drive out demons, do mighty deeds in Your Name.*I don’t know you.Go away.*
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- by faith
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 9:27am
  Opie is a Non-Denom-SDA who believes he is the sole interpreter of the King James Bible. Opie is also a thin skinned adolescent minded simpleton who can only read what confirms his preconceived beliefs. Opie will gladly admit he has relations with farm animals, he only uses one bank and he follows only one of the world’s governments. Opie believes all “religious groups” are either corrupt or evil and are pagan influenced. The Nightmare World of Jack Chick has penetrated into his belief system and produced even more conspiracy theories. Satan has muddled his mind and unleashed him on this website.
  I have contacted the necessary authorities and a Jesuit hit team will be paying him a visit.
  
  How does this make you feel Opie? I have never met you, do not know you, yet I still spoke about you as if I did. I am a self-appointed Opie expert. This is what you do to Catholics and the Catholic Church. Believe what you want but allow others to do the same. God does, why can’t you?
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- V-MAN MACE
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 10:20am
  I’m so, so surprised that Nazi Ratzinger believes humans are responsible for “global warming”, as if it even exists to begin with.
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- Okie from Muskogee
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 12:20pm
  @Faith
  Wow, your heart speaks once again. You do not know me but you post your made up twisted story. Catholicism we all can know thru study of it as well as history and can show accurately what it is about. Do you see the difference there Faith?
  
  How does your made up post make me feel? Sad for you because you actually think you are doing God’s work and you are not and only prove the evil in your heart. You are frustrated because you cannot explain why it’s ok for your faith to practice paganism and then out of the other side of your mouth say the whore of Babylon is evil for Paganism.
  
  Practice Catholicism all you desire. Who’s stopping you? If my faith tells me to come witness to Catholics to leave the beast you should have no problem with that. I don’t come attacking you personally though if my heart desired to I very easily could but I do not because that is not acting like Christ.
  
  Good try Faith but all you showed was who you really are in your heart.
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- Old Truckers
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 12:20pm
  After reading the comments in this stream, I have to say; Joe1234 is a very foolish man.
  No one should respond to his antagonistic rants and disgusting language.
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- by faith
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 12:39pm
  Look how Opie plays the victim. You can lie and twist, add and omit, and just blatantly make up anything you like, but when someone does it to you; you are the pour victim who is just trying to be Christ-like. That glass house you live in have any mirrors?
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- The10thAmendment
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 12:46pm
  @ joe1234
  
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  I’ll respond to your whole tirade which is wrought with fallacy after fallacy.
  
  So before God died He made sure to appoint you the new god who speaks for Christianity? You are a funny “little” person believing that you speak as the master of Christs mind. Tell Charles Manson, your preacher, that he’s going to have some serious explaining to do for teaching a doctrine that creates serpent slaves.
  
  The voices I hear speak to my Spirit, because they are of God Joe. When I was like you, I certainly needed help, so I fell on my knee’s and the Great Physician came and healed my Godless soul. I would be happy to introduce Him to you.
  
  No idea what people like CS Lewis, and other knew that I don’t know. I’ve read every book by Lewis, have you? But even better, I’ve read every Book of Scriptures many times. There’s nothing in Lewis writing that compares to the words of Jesus, or Moses. Sorry you “think” people like Luther knew more than they did, and do.
  
  You speak of “projections”! Sorry, I’m not into your preachers dogma of purple dinosaurs and alien invasion, so I‘d be grateful of you’d stop trying to put your anti-Christ idea’s on me.
  
  You say, “thank God” for the Crusades? Not only are you Spiritually dead, but morally bankrupt. Martin Luther would be so proud of you.
  
  I’d tell you to get lost, but it’s obvious that you already are. There’s still time, just reach out for Ch
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- Okie from Muskogee
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 1:03pm
  @Faith
  
  Here are 15 Pagan rituals that Catholicism practices. I could list 50 off the top of my head but I would love to hear you explain your justification for these 15, since you believe Paganism is the whore of Babylon.
  
  B=Baal
  C=Catholicism
  
  B-The nativity of the Sun, the birth of Tammuz Dec. 25
  C-The nativity of Jesus, Christmas Dec 25
  
  B-The Midsummer festival held Jun 24
  C-The Nativity of St. John held June 24
  
  B-The assumption of Semiramus who became the mother godess C-The assumption of Mary, who became the mother of God
  
  B-The mother goddess was worshipped as the Queen of Heaven.
  C-The Virgin Mary worshipped as the Queen of Heaven.
  
  B-Cakes decorated to the goddess with a “+” drawn on it. Jer. 44:17,19
  C-Hot cross buns
  
  B-40 days fasting for Tammuz, Ezek. 8:14
  C-40 days of Lent
  
  B-Pagan festival of Easter. Ezek 8:16
  C-The festival of Easter
  
  B-The ressurection of Tammuz at Easter and the procession of graven images during holy week
  C-The procession of graven images of Jesus, Mary, and Peter, and of the saints
  
  B-The belief of immortality of the soul and burning place of torment
  C-The belief of immortality of the soul and burning place of torment
  
  B-The doctrine of purgatory
  C-The doctrine of purgatory
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- The10thAmendment
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 1:36pm
  @ Okie from Muskogee
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 1:03pm
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  That was a good beginning post to show how paganism became mixed with Christs Church. In another thread I might have issue with injecting those lessons to understand if things are of God or the enemy, but this is a thread where religion and and the rites of paganism are the topic. Unfortunately I doubt that many, if any will take the time to do their own searching.
  
  The truth has no agenda, but sometimes people avoid it none the less because of the fear of seeing that the beliefs they hold are built on error.
  
  NONE of us hold all the answers, and that’s what makes the things of God so wonderful. There is always new insight. One of the most soul thirst quenching things to learn, are that I still have a long way to go for Christ to reveal my flaws, and where I get it wrong. Some don’t like to be told they are wrong, or that lessons and traditions they have adhered to are counterfeit. They react by lashing out to attack the messenger. Just as those in Sodom tried doing to the Angels who were with Lot family.
  
  The message of Christ is an ongoing process. It will be so until HE returns and rules on the earth with HIS rod of iron.
  
  Your message here, won’t be heard, except by those who thirst to become, rather than believing they have already arrived.
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- Okie from Muskogee
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 1:36pm
  B-The belief of the dead visiting the living, feast held for all in November, (All souls day)
  C-The festival of all souls day held Nov. 2, and all saints day held Nov. 1 (All souls day)
  
  B-Chants and repetative prayers. Beaded prayer chains.
  C-Gregorian chants and the Rosary
  
  B-The high priest kings carried on a throne to the to the Temple of his god
  C-The Pope carried on a portable throne to the Basilica of St. Peter
  
  B-Human sacrifices burned by fire as offering to appease Sun god
  C-Opposers of doctrines of the Roman Catholic church burned at the stake
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- Okie from Muskogee
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 1:57pm
  @10th Amendment
  
  I don’t proclaim to know all by any means. Thru education and traveling to all the continents but one I found many Pagan beliefs mixed in with my former ‘denomination’ (Baptist) that as a kid was taught normal and were not told as Pagan. Justification for them never could be explained.
  
  If this were a thread over a Baptist or Halloween I’d be here telling believers in Christ to be careful mixing in Pagan practices. As followers in Christ we are to love our neighbors and truth is love. You are right, some hate being told they are wrong as it will put them in an insecure place spiritually in their mind but in reality accepting truth for what it is brings us closer to God.
  
  My faith may not be perfect and could have flaws in it but in search for truth and words of many many past leaders Catholicism was always seen as anti-Christ, opposite of Christ’s teachings and basically Paganism of the old with a new name. Thru studying of the Bible and understanding it thru the spirit and learning the signs we are to see one can very easily see a religion mixed with paganism isn‘t God’s work.
  
  I want nothing more then those who believe in Christ, Catholics, to see truth on the paganism and simply ask why. Some on here will fight it as we see but others that just read posts will seek out truth and the spirit will stir in them. That I do not doubt one bit. Keep the faith and stay safe!
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- Okie from Muskogee
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 2:18pm
  @Faith
  
  No victim playing here….You see, you did just make crap up for a personal attack to distract. Truth will show what you are doing and I’ll stand in truth thru all your personal bogus attacks.
  
  Posting Catholicism is mixed with Paganism isn’t made up, it’s truth as shown above.
  
  See the difference now?
  
  “That glass house you live in have any mirrors?”
  
  You tried to belittle my use of language due to my poor proof reading and then turn around and have trouble with language yourself. “pour”….. Talk about living in a glass house throwing rocks….
  
  I’ll be waiting for your justification of why Paganism is evil (Whore of Babylon) but when practiced as shown above in your faith under a new name it is ok. Talk about living in a glass house throwing rocks again…
  
  Have a great day!
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- by faith
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 2:26pm
  Opie
  you and your pathetic little list. you care for and feed your horses, so by your logic, you are a horse worshiper…sounds stupid when someone uses your “logic” doesn’t it?
  you claim to be Christ-like, yet you are trying to tear down His church
  sounds to me like you are working for the wrong team
  Pagan Holiday
  The Fundamentalist objections notwithstanding, Scripture sanctions this practice. The Jewish Feast of Tabernacles was on the same day as a Canaanite vintage festival that it supplanted, much as Christmas coincided with the festival of Sol Invictus that non-Christians were celebrating. This is the same principle that Protestant churches use when they replace the celebration of Halloween with “Reformation Day” or “harvest festival” celebrations. It is an attempt to provide a wholesome alternative celebration to a popular but unwholesome one. Anti-Catholics who accuse Christmas of having “pagan origins” fail to recognize that it is precisely anti-pagan in origin.”
  Get it, the Catholic Church is Anti-Pagan.
  Did you know today is the pagan feast of internet posting?
  No it’s not I just made that up. Kinda like you do.
  Have a crazy nut job day
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- by faith
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 2:33pm
  Hey Opie from nut job land
  Is Catholicism Pagan?
  If few Fundamentalists know the history of their religion—which distressingly few do—even fewer have an appreciation of the history of the Catholic Church. They become easy prey for purveyors of fanciful “histories” that claim to account for the origin and advance of Catholicism.
  Anti-Catholics often suggest that Catholicism did not exist prior to the Edict of Milan, which was issued in 313 AD and made Christianity legal in the Roman Empire. With this, pagan influences began to contaminate the previously untainted Christian Church. In no time, various inventions adopted from paganism began to replace the gospel that had been once for all delivered to the saints. At least, that is the theory.
  Pagan Influence Fallacy
  Opponents of the Church often attempt to discredit Catholicism by attempting to show similarities between it and the beliefs or practices of ancient paganism. This fallacy is frequently committed by Fundamentalists against Catholics, by Seventh-Day Adventists, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Mormons, and others against both Protestants and Catholics, and by atheists and skeptics against both Christians and Jews.
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- by faith
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 2:34pm
  The nineteenth century witnessed a flowering of this “pagan influence fallacy.” Publications such as The Two Babylons by Alexander Hislop (the classic English text charging the Catholic Church with paganism) paved the way for generations of antagonism towards the Church. During this time, entire new sects were created (Seventh-Day Adventists, Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses)—all considering traditional Catholicism and Protestantism as polluted by paganism. This era also saw atheistic “freethinkers” such as Robert Ingersoll writing books attacking Christianity and Judaism as pagan.
  The pagan influence fallacy has not gone away in the twentieth century, but newer archaeology and more mature scholarship have diminished its influence. Yet there are still many committing it. In Protestant circles, numerous works have continued to popularize the claims of Alexander Hislop, most notably the comic books of Jack Chick and the book Babylon Mystery Religion by the young Ralph Woodrow (later Woodrow realized its flaws and wrote The Babylon Connection? repudiating it and refuting Hislop). Other Christian and quasi-Christian sects have continued to charge mainstream Christianity with paganism, and many atheists have continued to repeat—unquestioned—the charges of paganism leveled by their forebears.
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- by faith
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 2:34pm
  Use of a round wafer implies sun worship?
  Hislop and Chick argue that the wafers of Communion are round, just like the wafers of the sun worshippers of Baal. They don’t bother to mention that the wafers used by the same pagans were also ovals, triangles, some with the edges folded over, or shaped like leaves or animals, etc. The fact that a wafer is round does not make it immoral or pagan, since even the Jews had wafers and cakes offered in the Old Testament (Gen. 18:1-8, Ex 29:1-2).
  Unfortunately for Chick and other Fundamentalists, their arguments backfire. An atheist will take the pagan connection one step further, saying, “Christianity itself is simply a regurgitation of pagan myths: the incarnation of a divinity from a virgin, a venerated mother and child, just like Isis and Osiris, Isa and Iswara, Fortuna and Jupiter, and Semiramis and Tammuz. Beyond this, some pagans had a triune God, and pagan gods were often pictured with wings, as was your God in Psalms 91:4. The flames on the heads of the apostles were also seen as an omen from the gods in Roman poetry and heathen myths long before Pentecost. A rock is struck that brings forth water in the Old Testament . . . just like the pagan goddess Rhea did long before then. Also, Jesus is known as the ‘fish,’ just like the fish-god Dagon, etc.” Unless the Fundamentalists are willing to honestly examine the logical fallacies and historical inaccuracies, they are left defenseless.
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- by faith
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 2:34pm
  Fortunately, like the attacks on Catholicism in particular, all of the supposed parallels mentioned above self-destruct when examined with any scholarly rigor. If not guilty of historical inaccuracies, they all are guilty of what can be called “pagan influence fallacies.”
  
  Anything can be attacked using fallacy
  The pagan influence fallacy is committed when one charges that a particular religion, belief, or practice is of pagan origin or has been influenced by paganism and is therefore false, wrong, tainted, or to be repudiated. In this minimal form, the pagan influence fallacy is a subcase of the genetic fallacy, which improperly judges a thing based on its history or origins rather than on its own merits (e.g., “No one should use this medicine because it was invented by a drunkard and adulterer”).
  Very frequently, the pagan influence fallacy is committed in connection with other fallacies, most notably the post hoc ergo proper hoc (”After this, therefore because of this”) fallacy—e.g., “Some ancient pagans did or believed something millennia ago, therefore any parallel Christian practices and beliefs must be derived from that source.” Frequently, a variant on this fallacy is committed in which, as soon as a parallel with something pagan is noted, it is assumed that the pagan counterpart is the more ancient. This variant might be called the similis hoc ergo propter hoc (”Similar to this, therefore because of this”) fallacy.
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- The10thAmendment
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 2:35pm
  Okie I can’t agree that all Catholic Church leaders have been anti-Christ. When I have had questions regarding doctrine I return to the Torah and kneel before God in prayer. If the answers I receive are contrary to what the Church leadership says I’ll follow the revealed Word, but it doesn’t mean that the leadership is anti-Christ. It simply means that what the Spirit has revealed to each of us, we have interpreted differently, and the Spirit has measured the need of the question in a personal way.
  
  If the Church leader says do this, or that, but the Spirit instructs otherwise and confirms it thru revealed insight, and by Scripture, I’ll be REQUIRED by faith to follow the leading of the Holy Spirit.
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- by faith
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 2:36pm
  For example, Fundamentalists have made much of the fact that Catholic art includes Madonna and Child images and that non-Christian art, all over the world, also frequently includes mother and child images. There is nothing sinister in this. The fact is that, in every culture, there are mothers who hold their children! Sometimes this gets represented in art, including religious art, and it especially is used when a work of art is being done to show the motherhood of an individual. Mother-with child-images do not need to be explained by a theory of diffusion from a common, pagan religious source (such as Hislop’s suggestion that such images stem from representations of Semiramis holding Tammuz). One need look no further than the fact that mothers holding children is a universal feature of human experience and a convenient way for artists to represent motherhood.
  3. Is the parallel antecedent or consequent? Even if there is a pagan parallel that is causally related to a non-pagan counterpart, this does not establish which gave rise to the other. It may be that the pagan parallel is a late borrowing from a non-pagan source. Frequently, the pagan sources we have are so late that they have been shaped in reaction to Jewish and Christian ideas. Sometimes it is possible to tell that pagans have been borrowing from non-pagans. Other times, it cannot be discerned who is borrowing from whom (or, indeed, if anyone is borrowing from anyone).
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- by faith
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 2:38pm
  Similarly, the early Christians who adopted the cross as a symbol did not do so because it was a pagan religious symbol (the pagan cultures which use it as a symbol, notably in East Asia and the Americas, had no influence on the early Christians). The cross was used as a Christian symbol because Christ died on a cross—his execution being regarded as a bad thing in itself, in fact, an infinite injustice—but one from which he brought life for the world. Christians did not adopt it because it was a pagan symbol they liked and wanted to copy.
  Examples of negative parallels are often found in Genesis. For instance, the Flood narrative (Gen. 6-9) has parallels to pagan flood stories, but is written so that it refutes ideas in them. Thus Genesis attributes the flood to human sin (6:5-7), not overpopulation, as Atrahasis’ Epic and the Greek poem Cypria did (I. Kikawada & A. Quinn). The presence of flood stories in cultures around the world does not undermine the validity of the biblical narrative, but lends it more credence.
  Criticism, refutation, and replacement are also the principles behind modern holidays being celebrated to a limited extent around the same time as former pagan holidays. In actuality, reports of Christian holidays coinciding with pagan ones are often inaccurate (Christmas does not occur on Saturnalia, for example).
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- by faith
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 2:39pm
  However, to the extent the phenomenon occurs at all, Christian holidays were introduced to provide a wholesome, non-pagan alternative celebration, which thus critiques and rejects the pagan holiday.
  This is the same process that leads Fundamentalists who are offended at the (inaccurately alleged) pagan derivation of Halloween to introduce alternative “Reformation Day” celebrations for their children. (This modern Protestant holiday is based on the fact that the Reformation began when Martin Luther nailed his 95 theses to the church door in Wittenberg, Germany, on October 31, 1517.) Another Fundamentalist substitution for Halloween has been “harvest festivals” that celebrate the season of autumn and the gathering of crops. These fundamentalist substitutions are no more “pagan” than the celebrations of days or seasons that may have been introduced by earlier Christians.
  Historical truth prevails
  Ultimately, all attempts to prove Catholicism “pagan” fail. Catholic doctrines are neither borrowed from the mystery religions nor introduced from pagans after the conversion of Constantine. To make a charge of paganism stick, one must be able to show more than a similarity between something in the Church and something in the non-Christian world. One must be able to demonstrate a legitimate connection between the two, showing clearly that one is a result of the other, and that there is something wrong with the non-Christian item.
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- by faith
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 2:39pm
  In the final analysis, nobody has been able to prove these things regarding a doctrine of the Catholic faith, or even its officially authorized practices. The charge of paganism just doesn’t work.
  
  have a crazy nut job day
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- Okie from Muskogee
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 2:46pm
  @Faith
  
  Refute the list if it is so pathetic! Lol you cannot even define properly what a horse whisper really is! Lol good try Faith. Get some education on that Faith….
  
  Christ wouldn’t/didn’t practice pagan rituals. To be Christ like would be to mimic Christ. Do you get it now…..Christ didn‘t make ’alternative’ same exact rituals…Christ said not to be like/of the world. Comprehend that?
  
  You are simply making an excuse to be like the world, to revert back to fleshy worldly desires, to be accepted by the world.
  
  No, your church is not anti-Pagan. If it were it would not mimic pagan rituals…A child mimicking their mother is not anti-Mother, they are trying to be like their mother under the Child’s name.
  
  The alternative to practicing Paganism is not to. To be anti-Pagan would mean to do the opposite, no action, or sharing truth not to practice those rituals.
  
  The only reason you think those Pagan rituals are for “Christ” is because your leader the pope told you they are. That is it.
  
  Logic proves you wrong.
  The Bible proves you wrong.
  The Spirit proves you wrong.
  History proves you wrong.
  
  Remember, Satan isn’t coming with horns and a pitch fork but he comes to deceive and manipulate you into worshipping him while you think you are God………
  
  Have a great day!
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- by faith
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 3:01pm
  Opie
  I never said horse whisperer (ignoramus) I said Horse worshiper
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- Okie from Muskogee
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 3:01pm
  @10th Amendment
  
  I get that and can respect that. No not all leaders individually but the theme and overall practice has become as such. I do hope one day you and I could have a good discussion over prophecy. I think it would be very enlightening.
  
  @Faith
  
  Back to copying from someone else’s book are you….You can copy a book all you desire, it just means you do not know what you are talking about and need someone else to say it for you.
  
  Practice Catholicism all you desire. Just know you are mimicking Paganism as shown.
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- Bearfoot
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 3:03pm
  By Faith,
  It is understandable and admirable that you want to defend the teachings of the Catholic Church and you go much effort to do so. But you have to realize that it is God Almighty who judges a congregation’s worth, not you or I. God has given His Son the authority to do the judging. Perhaps we should let him do so, and with the guidance of the Holy Scriptures we can.
  Like I said before, The Catholic church has millions of good people in it, but the false teachings and traditions of the church hinder accurate understandings of God’s Kingdom and the role Jesus holds as the King. John chapter 17
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- by faith
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 3:04pm
  Opie
  I never said horse whisperer (ignoramus) I said Horse worshiper
  
  Do you even bother to read what I post, or do you just read my mind?
  Nut Job
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- by faith
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 3:10pm
  Opie
  your double standard is showing again
  “You can copy a book all you desire, it just means you do not know what you are talking about ”
  Could you be more stupid?
  
  Bearfoot
  the Catholic church has the fullness of faith.
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- Okie from Muskogee
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 3:12pm
  @Faith
  Excuse my mistake but that makes it even worse as it is the same as saying you worship your kids for feeding them. No logic at all in that and has no correlation to anything I posted. Good try but failure again. :-(
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- by faith
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 3:25pm
  Opie
  Once again I give you volumes of fact. and your response “duh, i didn’t read it…”
  nice hitler face too :-( you must be anti-semetic (look at me thinking like you again)
  
  You still make me laugh
  Have a crazy nut job day
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- by faith
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 3:30pm
  Opie
  No logic at all in that and has no correlation to anything I posted
  
  It’s called an analogy (look it up) not my fault you are too dense to comprehend it.
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- Bearfoot
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 3:40pm
  By Faith,
  
  Do you think it is productive to insult those of other faiths?
  Is that how your church has taught you, how to dialog successfully with others?
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- The10thAmendment
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 3:40pm
  At the end of the day, Christ is the Judge who will decide who enters HIS Kingdom, not man. So the efforts to proselytize the world is a seriously flawed idea. All WE can do as subjects to Gods WORD is to reveal the message we have been given and leave it in the hands of the Holy Spirit to convict of what the truth of the matter is.
  
  What I allow by faith is a matter between the Spirit of Christ and myself. No man has dictate over that, or the power to condemn. That’s the Righteous Judges responsibility, and HE alone holds the keys to Heaven and Sheol, and no one, no man, has the power to throw Christ from that seat.
  
  Thomas Jefferson understood this at the foundations of this Country when he stated, “I have sworn on the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.”
  
  People are free to sort out salvation beyond the prejudices of mans doctrine. The food which we share is unsatisfying until the Spirit of our Lord as our Great High Priest makes it manifest.
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- Okie from Muskogee
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 3:46pm
  @By Faith
  
  “you care for and feed your horses, so by your logic, you are a horse worshiper…sounds stupid when someone uses your “logic” doesn’t it?”
  
  That statement is an analogy to what? It correlates with nothing discussed on this thread at all. It is an attempt by you to distract again because you don’t hold truth.
  
  When you are challenged with truth look at how you speak, insults, belittling, and vile comments. You gave no facts at all, you copied out of a man’s book that is biased to Catholicism and presented it as fact which is lying. You cannot even be honest about there very roots of the rituals you practice.
  
  Now go sign back into your other name and post more insults. You fool no one. Practice Catholicism all you wish, no one is stopping you. I will continue showing factual evidence of paganism and Catholicism mixed so those ignorant of it can see truth.
  
  Have a wonderful day!
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- Bearfoot
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 3:53pm
  the10thamendment, – “the efforts to proselytize the world is a seriously flawed idea.”
  
  How are we to understand Matthew 24:14, 28:18-20 ?
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- Dismayed Veteran
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 4:00pm
  To All:
  
  While OKIE can defend himself, I am asking that you lighten up just a little. I am a Catholic. OKIE and I got into it several months ago. In the end he apologized and offered to talk off line with no intention for either of us convert but to understand. For some technical reason, I was unable to make an email connection. I found OKIE gracious in his apology and firm in his beliefs. I was looking forward to talking with him since I don’t understand fundament Christianity very well. All of us have strong opinions. Many of us think we are trading postings with idiots. OKIE was a gentleman when he needed to be. OKIE if I got the gender wrong, I apologize.
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- The10thAmendment
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 4:00pm
  @ joe1234
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 2:14pm
  
  really what fallacy???
  uh gomer, I know this is hard for you, but I quoted the lutheran church missouri synod…and I didn‘t rely on my own interprtation or voices in my head that I’ve heard….you really should take the tin-foil off….
  I find your capitalization of your ‘spirit’ interesting…that is usually reserved for the Spirit of God…a deity…..
  newsflash gomer: LEWIS WAS A TRINITARIAN…ie a real christian
  huh are you drugs?
  yeah and people like CHARLES MARTEL…the crusades were a defensive reaction to the muslim INVASION of europe…I guess you didn’t notice that of course….wow..
  so far you haven’t refuted any supposed fallacies of mine….only in your deluded little mind….wow you really are a nut-case.
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  LMAO. So much hostility and vitriolic drivel. Narnia must be missing one of its wolves.
  
  You quoted the Lutheran Church. I’m impressed! Go worship at that beast, I’ll stay at the throne of Grace and allow the Spirit of Christ to speak the truth.
  
  If you’re NOT on drugs, you should be. Maybe even get some anger management classes. My only vanity is being drunk on the New Wine given by Christ Jesus. Would you like some?
  
  I find your inability to compose proper sentences revealing. Typo’s not withstanding.
  
  I could care less what Lewis was, gomer.
  
  Those who live by the sword, shall die by the sword. The only sword I claim, is Christ Jesus. Want
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- The10thAmendment
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 4:11pm
  @ Bearfoot
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 3:53pm
  
  the10thamendment, – “the efforts to proselytize the world is a seriously flawed idea.”
  
  How are we to understand Matthew 24:14, 28:18-20 ?
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  We bear witness to the Truth of Christ. It’s the Spirits job to draw who He will to the throne of Grace. Brow beating anyone leads to conflict. I share, you share, we all share the meat we have been given thru the Spirit, but we don’t have the power to convict and conform any others spirit. Only the Spirit of Christ can do that.
  
  So we testify (the Great Commission) and allow the Spirit to reveal the Truth in that message. We can point the way but it’s the Spirit of the Living God who does the leading to, and performs the acts of Salvation.
  
  Our mission is to witness. It’s the Spirits job to transform.
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- by faith
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 4:13pm
  Opie
  you are truly ignorant. that is not an insult, that is a statement of fact. you don‘t even know what it is you don’t know. The Catholic Church was build by Jesus for Jesus. Your lies can not change that.
  And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My Church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.” ~Matthew 16:17-19 Note Jesus did not say ChurchES. Jesus found His church on the imperfect Peter, not the prefect John. The Catholic church has relied on tradition AND the bible. Please recall, in the early Church, there was no bible, no printing presses, and most people couldn’t read. ALL Christians believed Jesus was present in the Eucharist – truly His Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity. First break was in the Orthodox Church in 1000′s – but ALL still believe in the Eucharist. Within only 60 years of the Protestant reformation, there was a book written with 200 possible “explanations” of John 6 / The Eucharist. How sad that for 1500+ years ALL Christians believed in the Eucharist and then satan, the great deceiver, fooled the Protestants and they threw out 7 bible books. There are now 30K+ denominations.
  Archbishop Fulton Sheen once said, “There are not even 100 people in this country who hate the Catholic Church, but there are millions who hate what they think the Catholic Church to be.”
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- The10thAmendment
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 4:13pm
  Insert to the post above the last I made. (Want to meet Him) ^
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- Bearfoot
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 4:19pm
  The10thamendment – Our mission is to witness. It’s the Spirits job to transform.
  
  I agree with that, thanks for your response.
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- Okie from Muskogee
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 4:20pm
  @Dismayed Veteran
  
  Thank you and I appreciate you much. Seeking truth regardless of ‘denomination’ is what it’s all about. You are right, I’m not trying to convert anyone to one denomination over another one but simply sharing truths I have been shown with some people I find to be very honorable in certain aspects of life. Catholics are some of the most generous charitable people I know and I have no ill feeling toward them at all. Simple dialogue in search of truth is all I’m after. Thank you again.
  
  I did try to email you as well but it seems you did not receive it. Okiefrommuskogee33@yahoo.com if you’d ever like to chat.
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- The10thAmendment
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 4:24pm
  @ Dismayed Veteran
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 4:00pm
  
  To All:
  
  While OKIE can defend himself, I am asking that you lighten up just a little. I am a Catholic. OKIE and I got into it several months ago. In the end he apologized and offered to talk off line with no intention for either of us convert but to understand. For some technical reason, I was unable to make an email connection. I found OKIE gracious in his apology and firm in his beliefs. I was looking forward to talking with him since I don’t understand fundament Christianity very well. All of us have strong opinions. Many of us think we are trading postings with idiots. OKIE was a gentleman when he needed to be. OKIE if I got the gender wrong, I apologize.
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  I agree with you. Okie has acquitted himself admirably against one attack after another.
  
  He has obviously studied his subject matter and offers reasons for why he believes the way he does thru his explanations. Under the assault he‘s taken for his faith I’ve come to appreciate the quality and content of his character.
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- by faith
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 4:28pm
  Dismayed Veteran
  OKIE and I got into it several months ago. In the end he apologized and offered to talk off line with no intention for either of us convert but to understand. I found OKIE gracious in his apology and firm in his beliefs.
  
  Satan can be convincingly gracious and apologetic too
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- The10thAmendment
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 4:29pm
  @ Bearfoot
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 4:19pm
  
  The10thamendment – Our mission is to witness. It’s the Spirits job to transform.
  
  I agree with that, thanks for your response.
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  You’re welcome, and thank you. Our God is certainly an awesome God.
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- The10thAmendment
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 4:33pm
  @ joe1234
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 4:14pm
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  I’m going to petition the BLAZE to offer an ignore feature, so that we can choose that option to avoid your personal jihad to throw Christ from His throne.
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- Okie from Muskogee
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 4:37pm
  @Faith
  
  The early Churches relied on the writings of the apostles, not just Peter’s. They were all pillars as the Bible says.
  
  Sorry but the Bible shows Peter was not the first pope.
  
  -Paul says their equal; 2 Corinthians 11:5
  -Paul censors Peter; Galatians 2:11-16
  -Peter is a pillar of Church, not the Pillar. Galatians 2:8-10
  -Peter was sent to preach by others; Acts 8
  -Peter did not preside the Council of Jerusalem; Acts 15
  -Peter refused to have Cornelius kneel to him; Acts 10:25-26
  -Peter professes he can’t forgive sin, like popes today; Acts 8:22
  -Peter says he’s a pastor or elder; I Peter 5: 1-3.
  
  Doesn’t the Bible say not to worry with traditions of men? Pretty sure it does.
  
  Your history lesson on the Eucharist I do not find accurate either.
  
  Believe as you wish. I’ll do the same. Your insults of ‘nut job’ etc has left no desire to continue a conversation with you. You cannot even show enough respect to address me correctly.
  
  Take care.
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- by faith
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 4:56pm
  Opie,
  To assert that Peter had no primacy is to ignore the clear passages to the contrary, such as Matthew 16:18-19, Luke 22:33, John 21:15-17, and Galatians 1:18. The answer to your question is found within the very context you cite. Peter says, “Clothe yourselves in humility in your dealings with one another, for God opposes the proud but bestows favor on the humble. So humble yourselves under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time” (1 Pt 5:5).
  By humbly calling himself a “fellow elder” Peter was not implying he was merely equal in authority to the presbyters of the Church; rather, he was practicing something he enjoined on others. This self-effacement is the virtue of humility which Jesus calls all Christians to cultivate: “Whoever wishes to be great among you shall be your servant, whoever wishes to be first among you shall be your slave” (Mt 20:26-27).
  Peter elsewhere reminds his readers that he is an “apostle of Jesus Christ” and as such had authority to preach and teach in the name of the Lord (cf. Lk 10:16). The very facts that Peter sent his epistles to instruct and guide the Church, and that the Church revered them as inspired, inerrant Scripture is sufficient testimony that Peter possessed an authority above that of a presbyter.
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- by faith
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 4:58pm
  This sort of humility in dealing with the Church is evident throughout the apostolic writings. The lowest level of priestly minister was the deacon. The apostles ordained men to this office originally to distribute food to the needy and to wait on tables (Acts 6:1-6). Yet Paul, the great and eloquent writer of about half of the New Testament, describes himself as a mere deacon on several occasions (1 Cor 3:5, 4:1; 2 Cor 3:6, 6:4, 11:23; Eph 3:7; Col 1:23, 25).
  If you’re going to be consistent in claiming that Peter had no special authority above that of a presbyter, you’ll be forced to conclude that Paul was only a deacon and therefore had no authority over bishops, priests, or other deacons. But nobody would make such a patently unbiblical assertion.
  Paul, like Peter, presents himself in a humble, unassuming way–”I am the least of the apostles, not fit to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God” (1 Cor 15:10), “To me the very least of all the holy ones, this grace was given” (Eph 3:8)–but such humility does not indicate that Paul did not have jurisdiction over others. After all, he said rather pointedly, “Although I have the full right in Christ to order you to do what is proper, I rather urge you out of love” (Phlm 8-9). Only people in authority can issue orders.
  
  Try and read it this time!
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- Mikev5
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 5:06pm
  read what they are doing to the USA behind our backs stealing the usage of our property rights
  
  http://www.un.org/esa/dsd/agenda21/
  
  Just another way to chain the USA and remove our freedoms from us. Beware its showing up everywere in every city look for it NOW.
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- by faith
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 5:15pm
  Opie
  As for your comment about respect, I will give you respect when you have earned it. Don’t act like an innocent victim to me. You might have fooled others, but I’m not buying it. You are a close minded mean spirited individual who thinks he knows all there is to know about a church you don’t even belong to.
  Your first post on this site was a lie about the Club of Rome. When called on it, you played the victim and changed topics. You offered no proof; you didn’t even attempt to explain your assertions. This is not the actions of an honest debate. When faced with volumes of truth (biblical, historical and plain old common sense) you respond with a don’t bother me with the truth I’ve got my mind made up attitude. Your faith has little love for any truth but your own.
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- Okie from Muskogee
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 5:16pm
  @Faith
  
  Until you can get past your vile and address me properly as Okie as any respectful person would, we have nothing to discuss.
  
  The Word can show all you posted as false and Peter was not a “pope” but you do not want to hear it or see it. You just want to proclaim yourself superior.
  
  If you have a need to say Peter was pope, go for it. You just shown you are not acting in the manner you describe Peter as acting as Pope. Humble. Peter needed not run around acting as if he was authority over all but your faith does…..That contradicts itself.
  
  A deacon could never censor a pope. A pope would never let James head the Council of Jerusalem.
  
  Now why would man want to proclaim one man has authority over all religion….
  
  If you think Peter is pope, your choice. The Word of God shows me differently.
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- by faith
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 5:22pm
  Opie
  “Your history lesson on the Eucharist I do not find accurate either.”
  
  Oh well then I must be wrong…good point, good point
  Now I see how wrong I was all along.
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- by faith
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 5:31pm
  OPIE
  again you cannot disprove biblical facts
  People have only been believing Peter was the first Pope for…what…nearly 2,000 years.
  Me and a few billion people since then must be wrong, because you say so – with no proof
  
  “Now why would man want to proclaim one man has authority over all religion”
  that “man” who proclaimed this was Jesus
  
  “Peter needed not run around acting as if he was authority” so your saying Peter did have authority?
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- by faith
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 5:35pm
  Opie,
  “If you think Peter is pope, your choice. The Word of God shows me differently.”
  
  One small correction to your statement: The Word of God, as I read it, shows me differently
  you would want to come across sounding arrogant…that’s my job
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- Blacktooth
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 5:47pm
  Okie from Muskogee,
  
  Maybe it is time to cut “My Faith” loose.
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- by faith
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 6:03pm
  Opie,
  “A pope would never let James head the Council of Jerusalem”
  The 15th chapter of Acts is significant for its description of the first council of the Christian Church, providing insights into the inner workings of the early Church and the relationships among key leaders. The chapter is also notable as a battleground for ongoing, current-day disputes over Church authority. On one side stands the Catholic Church, upholding Peter as the foremost apostle and leader of the universal Church. In opposition, in a diverse array of attitudes, stands a host of scholars and theologians who claim that James, the “brother of Jesus” (Mk 6:3; Gal 1:19), was the leader of the early Church, perhaps even the first pope. This position has roots going back to the Reformation, and many Protestants—whether they be conservative, liberal, or progressive in theological terms—consider James the greatest of the early Church leaders.
  does Acts 15 contradict the famous “keys of the kingdom” passage and even portray James as a greater authority than Peter? Was Peter really inconspicuous at the Jerusalem Council? Did he take a secondary role to James? What does the text really say?
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- by faith
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 6:05pm
  As for Acts 15, a number of factors point to Peter actually being both the leader at the council and the leader of the early Church. First, there is the manner in which his speech begins and ends. By standing up to speak after the debate had subsided, Peter made an emphatic physical gesture affirming his authority and centrality. The silence afterwards indicated the finality of what Peter had just said; no one disputes either his speech or his right to make it. In fact, the witness of Paul and Barnabas, along with James’s speech, only reinforce and agree with what Peter says.
  
  Secondly, few non-Catholic commentators seem to notice the striking wording Peter used in his speech. If he was only a witness, wouldn’t he have appealed only to his experience? But while Peter did focus on his experience, the main object of his speech was God: “God made a choice among you, that by my mouth . . .”; “And God . . . bore witness to them, giving them the Holy Spirit”; “He made no distinction”; and “why therefore do you put God to the test?” (vs. 7-10). It is readily apparent that Peter was quite comfortable in being a spokesman for God. Even James seems to take this for granted by stating, “Simeon has related how God first concerned himself . . .” (v. 14). There is an immediacy to Peter’s relating of God’s work which is noticeably absent from James’s speech.
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- The10thAmendment
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 6:10pm
  @ by faith
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 2:38pm
  
  Similarly, the early Christians who adopted the cross as a symbol did not do so because it was a pagan religious symbol (the pagan cultures which use it as a symbol, notably in East Asia and the Americas, had no influence on the early Christians).
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  We absolutely agree on this subject, but probably for different reasoning.
  
  The Cross is Hebraic in origin and can be directly found in Ezekiel 9 describing what the mark of God was. The word used is TAV (or taw), which is interpreted cross/mark. It was represented in ancient pictograph as 2 crossed sticks. Hence, Philippians 3:14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus. The Cross IS Gods mark.
  
  tav, taw [tɑːv tɑːf (Hebrew) tav taf]
  n
  (Linguistics / Letters of the Alphabet (Foreign)) the 23rd and last letter in the Hebrew alphabet (ת), transliterated as t or when final th
  [from Hebrew: cross, mark]
  
  The Cross can also refer to the end of a discourse, and a finishing of a thing, or fulfillment.
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- by faith
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 6:10pm
  As mentioned, Paul, Barnabas, and James all reinforced and agreed with Peter’s declaration, albeit in different ways. The first two related “the signs and wonders God” had been working “among the Gentiles” (v. 12). James pointed first to the words of Peter and then to the Prophets (vs. 14-15). Those who claim James’s speech was the definitive one point to the language in verse 19 (“Therefore it is my judgement . . .”) as evidence for James’s primacy. Yet James is simply suggesting a way of implementing what Peter had already definitively expressed. “Peter speaks as the head and spokesman of the apostolic Church,” state Scott Hahn and Curtis Mitch in the Ignatius Catholic Study Bible, “He formulates a doctrinal judgment about the means of salvation, whereas James takes the floor after him to suggest a pastoral plan for inculturating the gospel in mixed communities where Jewish and Gentile believers live side by side (15:13-21)” (232).
  One can only conclude that those commentators and scholars who take issue with Peter’s primacy have, for various reasons, taken an anti-Catholic, anti-papal stance. They labor under a skewed understanding of what the papacy is and how the papal office relates to the Church as a whole. As a result, they are prone to interpret Peter’s actions and the history of the early Church incorrectly.If James was the leader of the early Church, or even the first pope, why aren’t his successors the head of the universal Church?
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- Okie from Muskogee
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 6:10pm
  @BlackTooth
  
  Thanks for the smile and you are right. I hope you and your family are well.
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- by faith
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 6:18pm
  Blackfoot and Opie
  you made fun of my name, wanh wanh. that’s not nice and it shows you are a mean, evil person…blah blah blah
  
  grow a set
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- by faith
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 6:20pm
  Opie,
  “There is plenty in the Word showing you are wrong.”
  
  I…I…I just don’t have time right now. Hahahahahaha
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- Blacktooth
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 6:27pm
  by faith,
  
  My apologies, I did type “My Faith”. That was not intentional, just a lapse of detail. Will not happen again.
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- The10thAmendment
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 6:29pm
  We are ALL called to the same witness that was given to Peter. His authority WAS NOT his own, it was the power of the Spirit, and his testimony of declaring HIM who holds the keys to the Kingdom. Christ gives each witness that same key when we testify. It’s up to the hearer to walk thru the Gates as they are led by the Spirit after hearing the Word of Truth.
  
  That doesn’t diminish Peter because his testimony addressed, and continues to address souls that are separated from God thru unbelief. The testimony isn’t Peters, it’s OF the Rock of our Salvation, Jesus, the Son of God, for there IS NO OTHER NAME under Heaven whereby we must be saved. On the contrary it shows that Peter overcame his fears and doubts and denials, to attain salvation thru Jesus by the power of the Holy Spirit. As is the case with any great teacher who is great at educating those he is trying to teach, he will be honored, or considered blessed.
  
  We should try to follow his message, as we should follow James, and Paul, or other early Church witnesses who had first hand knowledge of the truth. Still, having knowledge of the Truth, isn’t the same thing as having that knowledge established to wisdom by the power of the Holy Spirit. Peter didn’t have that power. JESUS prayed the Father who sent that mediator/counselor/comforter, who draws all who receive the Word of testimony, to the Father.
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- Okie from Muskogee
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 6:40pm
  And there was also a strife among them, which of them should be accounted the greatest. And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors. But ye shall not be so: but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that doth serve. Ye are they which have continued with me in my temptations. And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me; That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel. (Luke 22:24-30 KJV)
  
  Then Peter, filled with the Holy Ghost, said unto them, Ye rulers of the people, and elders of Israel, If we this day be examined of the good deed done to the impotent man, by what means he is made whole; Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. (Acts 4:8-12 KJV)
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- The10thAmendment
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 6:51pm
  @ joe1234
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 4:43pm
  
  hey 10th..
  
  I find it ironic, given you think you’re the new age christ….
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  Say what?
  
  You misstated that. This is what you should have said.
  
  Hey 10th
  I find it ironic because “I” think you’re the new age Christ.
  
  What the 10thAmendment actually says, is that Jesus is my Master, He is my Lord, He is my Savior/Christ, and HE IS MY GOD.
  
  I honestly do pray that whatever Church you attend doesn’t know how pathetically you are MISS-representing their message. And IF your message is in fact their message, I’ll pray that Jesus spares your Church of Sardis.
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- joe1234
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 7:21pm
  “I find it ironic because “I” think you’re the new age Christ.”
  
  I find it ironic since you are the one who hears voices and has a new revalation that contradicts the bible.
  
  “What the 10thAmendment actually says, is that Jesus is my Master, He is my Lord, He is my Savior/Christ, and HE IS MY GOD.”
  
  what jesus? not the Jesus of the bible…but the jesus of your voices….(cue the twilight zone music)
  
  ‘”I honestly do pray that whatever Church you attend doesn’t know how pathetically you are MISS-representing their message. ”
  
  Uh what exactly have I misrepresented? the Trinity is the foundation of the christian faith…you don’t believe in the trinity..ergo you’re not a christian…how hard is this? and what hellish little cult do you go to?
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- Okie from Muskogee
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 7:28pm
  @Florida
  
  Appreciate you friend. You and BlackTooth are right. I know to well about farming/ranching. Slow day around here but I did split wood this morning. First frost just came in. Stay safe.
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- The10thAmendment
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 7:53pm
  @ joe1234
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 7:21pm
  
  I find it ironic since you are the one who hears voices and has a new revalation that contradicts the bible.
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  You mean you don’t hear the still small voice. How very sad for you. If you did, you’d actually know what the voice of Christ sounded like, and it’s a music that defies the sensibilities of man, and a comfort beyond interpretation.
  
  Come and see that Christ is better than Good, he’s MAGNIFICENT! To borrow from the Book of Isaiah. Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
  
  That’s MY King. Would you like to meet Him? I’m not greedy, so I would be thrilled to share Him. Or maybe I am greedy, because I want to share Him with every person on the face of this earth.
  
  Since you want to talk new age. Here’s some new age confessions of what a GREAT God we have.
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- joe1234
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 8:15pm
  “You mean you don’t hear the still small voice. How very sad for you. If you did, you’d actually know what the voice of Christ sounded like, and it’s a music that defies the sensibilities of man, and a comfort beyond interpretation.”
  
  the voice of the REAL CHRIST does not contradict the bible…your voices do…you’re hearing from Christ, rather an evil spirit.
  
  Isaiah 9:6, a great verse supporting the TRINITY.
  
  oh and no surprise you can’t cite any of my supposed misrepresenations….
  
  why have you abandoned the true faith and become a deceiver? the God of the Bible is trinitarian in nature.
  
  why can’t you answer what church you belong to?
  
  you can keep blathering on about your voices, but you’re really making yourself look very strange…
  
  .I’ll stick with the bible and the historic christian faith…good luck with your new religion.
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- joe1234
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 8:17pm
  oh Henyrclay..you may notice your previous posts are gone…I’ve been reporting you…and will continue as long as you spew hatred and evil.
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- joe1234
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 8:18pm
  “you’re hearing from Christ, rather an evil spirit. ”
  
  you’re NOT hearing from Christ…sorry…
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- henryclay
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 8:24pm
  joe1234 is a wacko off his medication.he is a loser.he isnt christian either.he told me he worships allah so joe1234 is muslim and a wacko.loser joe1234.wacko.
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- joe1234
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 8:35pm
  hey henry, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery…loser…BWHAHAAAHAHAHHAHHHA
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- henryclay
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 8:36pm
  dont no joe1234 went and tattle telled cuz his feelings got hurt. hobo joe the wacko isnt christian cuz he loves allah.slowjoe is male and has a boyfriend.dumbojoe isnt christian at all he is just a wacko loser.
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- joe1234
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 8:41pm
  “dont no joe1234 went and tattle telled cuz his feelings got hurt. ”
  
  yeah I knew it would annoy the hell out of you…LOL
  
  and notice how your tone has changed…..how does it feel to be pwned???
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- henryclay
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 8:52pm
  dumbo joe is a wacko.he is real real slow and he dont no hi from low when to stop or when to go cuz hes dumbo joe the wacko who is real real slow.
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- The10thAmendment
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 8:56pm
  @ henryclay
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 8:24pm
  
  joe1234 is a wacko off his medication.he is a loser.he isnt christian either.he told me he worships allah so joe1234 is muslim and a wacko.loser joe1234.wacko.
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  Not sure I agree that he’s off his meds. He appears to be a cult follower of Timothy Leary, and Leary during his heyday UNDOUBTEDLY worshiped the colorful serpent, who happens to be allah.
  
  He’s so utterly lost that it will CERTAINLY take a miracle for Christ to save.
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- joe1234
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 9:01pm
  hey henry, what happened to that other post of yours???? BWAHAHAHAHHAHHHAHAH
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- joe1234
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 9:02pm
  “He’s so utterly lost that it will CERTAINLY take a miracle for Christ to save.”
  
  thanks for show your delusions of godhood…judging my soul….
  
  and no surprise you couldn’t respond in a rational manner to anything I posted…
  
  how does it feel to be made such a fool out of?
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- henryclay
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 9:06pm
  dumbo joe is a culto! dumbo joe is real real slow cuz his culto made him so.dumbo joe is a culto wacko who is real real slow.dumbo slow joe is a culto!
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- BrenGun
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 9:24pm
  Oh yeah just more subtle Beck Media Catholic bashing… nothing like an EX-Catholic biting the hand that feeds… oh! that’s right Glenn is an EX-Catholic; kinda like an ex-Alcoholic eh? Whatever… so typical.
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- The10thAmendment
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 9:40pm
  @ joe1234
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 9:02pm
  
  “He’s so utterly lost that it will CERTAINLY take a miracle for Christ to save.”
  
  thanks for show your delusions of godhood…judging my soul….
  
  and no surprise you couldn’t respond in a rational manner to anything I posted…
  
  how does it feel to be made such a fool out of?
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  I haven’t judged anything. God back thru this thread, your own words condemn you.
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- joe1234
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 10:25pm
  “I haven’t judged anything. God back thru this thread, your own words condemn you.”
  
  only in your twisted little deluded mind…
  
  your voices will be hungrily waiting for you…after you’re judged…..
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- The10thAmendment
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 10:33pm
  @ joe1234
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 10:25pm
  
  “I haven’t judged anything. God back thru this thread, your own words condemn you.”
  
  only in your twisted little deluded mind…
  
  your voices will be hungrily waiting for you…after you’re judged…..
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  Don’t you worry your little head, I have you on my prayer request list. Christ Jesus will send the Spirit to drive the sun god allah right out of your idol worshiping heart.
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- Libertarian B 4 Libertarians Were Cool
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 11:43pm
  Well, I believe that Priests cause pedophilia… Let’s shut down Catholicism!
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- Libertarian B 4 Libertarians Were Cool
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 11:44pm
  I certainly have more evidence on my side than the Climate Change Cult! (CCC the new KKK)
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- foobear
  Posted on November 30, 2011 at 1:09am
  @Libertarian: “I certainly have more evidence on my side than the Climate Change Cult! (CCC the new KKK)”
  
  Just because you’re ignorant of some evidence does not mean that evidence does not exist.
  
  AGW certainly has both facts and theory on its side. It’s up to someone opposing AGW at this point to come up with a theory as to why the earth *won’t* heat up from the 1% or so increased heat we’re trapping at this point.
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- by faith
  Posted on November 30, 2011 at 9:10am
  Opie,
  the Bible passage does prove something…jesus is the cornerstone of salvation
  why you felt the need to point that out is unclear as I already assumed we agreed on that.
  Jesus cornerstone of salvation, Peter rock on which Jesus chose to build his church
  just like the Bible says.
  
  I thought you said you were done with me…another untruth
  
  FloridaCracker
  I have given your name to the Jesuit hit team, they will pay you a visit soon also
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- by faith
  Posted on November 30, 2011 at 9:25am
  “The papacy is a hoax. Peter never claimed to be pope. He was never in Rome.”
  It is true that Peter could not have used the term “pope” to describe himself, since the title was not conferred on the bishops of Rome during the earliest years of the Church. (Neither does the Bible claim to be “the Bible,” for that term had not been invented yet; it simply claimed to be God’s inspired word.) But that is hardly the point, since the question is not the title used, but the existence of the office of pope, which has been united to the office of the bishop of Rome on the basis that Peter went to Rome and died there. It follows that if Peter never went to Rome (this is the real question), then he could hardly have been its bishop, and the present bishop of Rome could hardly be his successor.
  Although the Bible has no unmistakable evidence that he was there (though 1 Peter 5:13 does imply it), early Christian writers such as Tertullian, Clement of Alexandria, and Lactantius are unanimous in saying that he went to Rome, presided over the Church there, and was martyred during the Emperor Nero’s persecution.
  There was no early writer who claimed that Peter never went to Rome and died elsewhere, and no other ancient city ever claimed to be the place of his death or to have his remains—which makes sense, since in this century it has been demonstrated that his bones lay beneath the high altar of St. Peter’s Basilica.
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- by faith
  Posted on November 30, 2011 at 9:25am
  A popular account of the archaeological excavations conducted from 1939 to 1968, at which time Pope Paul VI confirmed that Peter’s bones had been scientifically and historically identified, may be found in John E. Walsh’s book The Bones of St. Peter.
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- by faith
  Posted on November 30, 2011 at 9:55am
  Blacktooth
  
  My apologies, I did type “My Faith”. That was not intentional, just a lapse of detail. Will not happen again.
  
  No need to apologies, but I accept your heartfelt apology.
  I was not offended by your typing error, because it is my faith, I fully accept that.
  Jesus is my Lord and His church is my home. I have no problem with “my faith”
  I also have no problem with you or anyone else who choses to believe otherwise. I have only defended “my faith” from blatantly untruthful attack. You may recall Opie posted a lie about the Club of Rome, then when called on it he chose to play the victim. He never defended or gave proof for his accusation, just change the subject to his Chick inspired playbook. I have in the past attempted to have a rational conversation with Opie, however it is like trying to nail jello to a wall. No amount of biblical or historical evidence will sink in. Ponder this, for nearly 2,000 years billions of people have believed what I beleive and after I’m gone “my faith” will still be here. No one believed what Opie claims until the middle of the 19th century and even most non-catholics don’t believe it. Opie is free to believe whatever he wishes just leave the Catholic Church alone. Ask yourself this, why is his faith based on attacking the Caatholic Church. I have asked Opie in the past to focus on where we as christians agree, but he can’t do that. Don’t be fooled by his pasive agressive victim act.
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- by faith
  Posted on November 30, 2011 at 11:12am
  Joe
  Thanks for the support
  I don’t understand why some people feel the need to tear down something they acknowledge has no effect on them. And it would be a different story if they honestly questioned, but to blatantly lie.
  I really don’t care what Opie believes just stop lying about what I believe. Alberto Rivera, the alleged former Catholic priest, bishop, and anti-Catholic hero of Jack Chick comic strips, was exposed as a total fraud by non-Catholic (evangelical Protestant) Gary Metz, in two articles appearing in evangelical magazines. Yet Opie is still trying to spread the same untruths.
  And by the way, be careful what you post about Jack, I’ve had several post mysteriously not make it through the blaze censors.
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- henryclay
  Posted on November 30, 2011 at 12:14pm
  BI got Faith and slow joe r the same person.bi got faith and dumbo joe are one n the same.wat a wacko loser.person has problems.bi got faith dumbo joe dont represent my catholic faith.only losers talk to themselves.wacko loser.
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- by faith
  Posted on November 30, 2011 at 12:34pm
  HenryGay
  Is not a Catholic – posted he would vote for Obama
  Is a racist – posted all black men can’t keep it in their pants
  Is an idiot – proof is in all of his posts
  Henry also likes to threaten physical violence over the internet. I tried (Ctrl * #) but I don’t think it works
- henryclay
  Posted on November 30, 2011 at 1:03pm
  dumbojoe
  y dont u sign in2 ur other name bi got faith or darren.u freakazoid.wat a wacko nut job.only losers do that.wacko freak show.
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- henryclay
  Posted on November 30, 2011 at 1:13pm
  look at dumbojoe tryn to play it off and talk 2 himself.what a loser n liar.
  Bi got Faith dumbo joe.u r stupid.so pathetic u hav 3 names wat a loser wacko.only nut jobs post 2 themselves to make themselves look rite.wacko nut job
  Ur no catholic bi got Faith dumbo joe. ur satans spawn. liar wacko.
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- henryclay
  Posted on November 30, 2011 at 1:30pm
  dumbo joe1234
  bi got Faith
  darren
  
  all 3 are the same person.bi got faith only posts on religion topics.dumboJoe attacks on all topics and darren posts occasionally as pivot man.all 3 r same person.wacko nut job.
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- henryclay
  Posted on November 30, 2011 at 2:25pm
  @dumboJoe
  hahahaha only losers need 3 names.what a wacko!
  
  ur wife says hi and I giv it 2 her everyday all day.she luvs her sum henry.she told me u liked boys so…sum one has to giv it to her and I’m the man for the job..you wacko..she also said u got the short stick.ity bity should be ur name.hahahahaha.wacko loser.
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- henryclay
  Posted on November 30, 2011 at 2:55pm
  BI got Faith is a liar wacko freakazoid who is also known as dumbo joe1234 and darren.
  BI got Faith just showed he is a liar and not a catholic.you have been busted so admit it nut job.
  
  BI got Faith (by faith)
  dumbo joe1234
  darren
  
  all r same person.wacko.loony tune.nut job liars.freaks.
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- by faith
  Posted on November 30, 2011 at 3:03pm
  Somewhere there is a bridge missing it’s troll
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- henryclay
  Posted on November 30, 2011 at 3:10pm
  @BI got Faith
  
  what a loser.somewhere theres a jack missing his a$$ named bi got faith
  
  Bi got faith is dumbo joe and ur all wackos! Loser nut job
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- The10thAmendment
  Posted on November 30, 2011 at 3:27pm
  So much distortion. People relying on “mans” interpretations. Sorry FAITH but you have followed a distortion predicated on agenda. Whether intended to convert to Christ or not, the Saturnalia was without a question the celebration adopted as a means to gain converts.
  
  http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/Christmas_TheRealStory.htm
  
  Some attribute the gift giving to St. Nicholaus, but it’s certainly not the form attributed to the Magi, who came and celebrated the birth of Christ (Christs birthday) by presenting gifts to Christ, not each other. That was a pagan custom and most certainly associated with Saturnalia and other pagan rituals. I could take you thru the practice of the ivy and the pine tree/pine cone but it would be redundant. The early Church without question borrowed those pagan rites in an effort to sway converts.
  
  Your idea of Peters bones under the pillar of the Basilicas. So what did Peter do, come down from his place somewhere in front of the throne, or Rock of Salvation, and offer his blood for a confirmation sample to the bones? What EXPERT do you offer for witness or proof? The Vatican City’s own agenda? Stop being so naive. There’s a Biblical criteria man has borrowed known as TRUST BUT VERIFY. It’s from the idea of 2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.
  
  If it can’t be borne with Scripture, it’s not of God.
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- The10thAmendment
  Posted on November 30, 2011 at 3:41pm
  And FAITH, your threats to call on the Black Pope and the Knights of Malta (Jesuits) should be something you do with a great deal of caution. The Scottish Rites practitioners tend to take their practices seriously, and murder is one of those practices.
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- by faith
  Posted on November 30, 2011 at 3:53pm
  10th
  So the Catholic Church co-oped Dec 25th to produce converts.
  did you mean to agree with me, because you said I was wrong and then you agreed with me
  
  Do you even bother to read before you post? I provided you with the source, go look it up.
  “Peter’s bones had been scientifically and historically identified, may be found in John E. Walsh’s book The Bones of St. Peter. ” I am not a scientist I don’t know how the process works. Just cause you watched CSI one time doesn’t make you an expert either. why don‘t you research before you speak on a topic you don’t know or understand?
  for someone who claims to have at one time been Catholic, you really don’t know anything about the Catholic Church. Here is another source for you and all you others who have no clue what the Church is all about. http://www.catholicity.com/baltimore-catechism/
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- by faith
  Posted on November 30, 2011 at 3:54pm
  10th
  That’s it, your on the list
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- by faith
  Posted on November 30, 2011 at 4:17pm
  There is a person sometimes called “the black pope,” but his existence is not a secret and he does not have anywhere near as much power as the real pope. “The black pope” is a nickname given to the Father General of the Society of Jesus. When the Jesuits were the most prestigious, influential missionary order in the world, the people of Rome began to speak jokingly of their head as a second pope. They called him “the black pope” because he wore the Jesuits’ black clerical garb, in contrast to the real pope, who wore white and became known as “the white pope.”
  
  “The black pope” does not have authority over anyone but Jesuits. Sometimes people point to him as evidence of a conspiracy in the Vatican, but what they really have is a garbled understanding of a Catholic in-joke.
  
  The Knights of the Order of St. John of Jerusalem (to give their full name) were formed long before their reign on Malta. The Order was originally established in 1085 as a community of monks responsible for looking after the sick at the Hospital of St. John in Jerusalem. They later became a military order, defending crusader territory in the Holy Lands and safeguarding the perilous routes taken by medieval pilgrims. The Knights were drawn exclusively from noble families and the Order acquired vast wealth from those it recruited
  
  you have read too many Jack Chick comics, Angels and Demons was just a movie from a book of fiction. Please provide me with one shread of evidence or stop lying
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- by faith
  Posted on November 30, 2011 at 4:29pm
  yet, but 10th thinks he cracked the code and they are actually a Jusuit hit squad working in secret under the black pope. and some how he is still alive….hum that’s wierd.
  
  10th makes Opie look like a scholar
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- The10thAmendment
  Posted on November 30, 2011 at 4:30pm
  @ by faith
  Posted on November 30, 2011 at 3:53pm
  
  10th
  So the Catholic Church co-oped Dec 25th to produce converts.
  did you mean to agree with me, because you said I was wrong and then you agreed with me
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  Apparently you’re not reading your own cut and pastes.
  
  YOUR cut and paste words.
  “The pagan influence fallacy is committed when one charges that a particular religion, belief, or practice is of pagan origin or has been influenced by paganism and is therefore false, wrong, tainted, or to be repudiated.”
  
  I can paste ALL of your comments concerning that to show that you are pasting stuff and not reading what it is your pasting, WHILE NOW claiming that those practices were in fact borrowed rites to proselytize members of the pagan rituals by well crafted alternative offerings.
  
  Which side do you fall on now at 4:30 EST, because I’m sure that by 9:30 EST you will have changed position thru cut and pastes once again.
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- The10thAmendment
  Posted on November 30, 2011 at 4:33pm
  You and Joe are like the Bevis and ******** as representatives of whatever religion it is that you’re promoting because it is neither Catholicism, nor Lutheran. But it could well be Jesuit.
  
  You are neither promoting Christ, nor the Doctrine of Christ. You are both L I A R S of a very dangerous cult, no less vile than islam.
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- by faith
  Posted on November 30, 2011 at 4:35pm
  Joe
  do you mean Charles Martel also known as Charles the Hammer
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- by faith
  Posted on November 30, 2011 at 4:47pm
  10th
  “The pagan influence fallacy is committed when one charges that a particular religion, belief, or practice is of pagan origin or has been influenced by paganism and is therefore false, wrong, tainted, or to be repudiated.”
  I know I’m a little slow, but where in this quote do you find my supposed flip flop? It has nothing to do with Christmas.
  I’ll keep it short for you : The pagan influence fallacy is proven wrong.
  Now I’ll paraphrase(do you know this word, par-a-phrase?) the anti-catholic belief that just because a Catholic holiday shares a date with a pagan day of worship, does not make it pagan in origin.
  If you read the bible this way, that would explain why you’re so confused.
  
  I know what time it is, and the clock is ticking…it’s only a matter of time now
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- The10thAmendment
  Posted on November 30, 2011 at 4:48pm
  @ joe1234
  Posted on November 30, 2011 at 4:20pm
  
  “The Knights of the Order of St. John of Jerusalem (to give their full name) were formed long before their reign on Malta.”
  
  I have heard about them, with a sword in one hand, and cross in the other, fighting the muslim invaders. they had guts….like Martel…too bad no one like that is around today….
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  Oh but they are very much around. Not even the Vatican could stamp them out once that order had reached a power that threatened even Rome’s dominion. Don’t stop your “crusades” at the door of islam. It has vehemently attacked the Eastern Orthodoxy, Presbyterianism, and Protestantism with the Jesuits of the Knights of Malta, because they threaten the primacy of a mans rule over things of God. Such as “stealing” the Rock of the Churches founding, Christ, and replacing HIM with a preacher., named Peter. ONLY Christ holds the Keys of David. You guys do dishonor the faithfulness of Peter thru false teaching.
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- The10thAmendment
  Posted on November 30, 2011 at 4:56pm
  @ by faith
  Posted on November 30, 2011 at 4:47pm
  
  10th
  “The pagan influence fallacy is committed when one charges that a particular religion, belief, or practice is of pagan origin or has been influenced by paganism and is therefore false, wrong, tainted, or to be repudiated.”
  I know I’m a little slow, but where in this quote do you find my supposed flip flop? It has nothing to do with Christmas.
  I’ll keep it short for you : The pagan influence fallacy is proven wrong.
  Now I’ll paraphrase(do you know this word, par-a-phrase?) the anti-catholic belief that just because a Catholic holiday shares a date with a pagan day of worship, does not make it pagan in origin.
  If you read the bible this way, that would explain why you’re so confused.
  
  I know what time it is, and the clock is ticking…it’s only a matter of time now
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  So now you’re saying that the birth of Christ was on December 25th, although there’s not a scholar outside of Vatican City who would promote such a silly idea. The likelihood of it being mere “coincidence” that Christmas would be the date “adopted” by Rome and the last day of Saturnalia is rather questionable to say the least. But then, I could care less about peoples predilection of holidays. But you are certainly disingenuous with your fallacious assertions.
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- by faith
  Posted on November 30, 2011 at 4:59pm
  Joe
  France has been “occupied” before. in the last 100 years: the Germans in WWI and the Natzi’s in WWII. They are like cats, they have 9 lives. But this time it is more clandestine.
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- by faith
  Posted on November 30, 2011 at 5:02pm
  10th
  Rock of the Churches founding, Christ, and replacing HIM with a preacher., named Peter. ONLY Christ holds the Keys of David. You guys do dishonor the faithfulness of Peter thru false teaching.
  
  So now you agree Peter is the rock?
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- The10thAmendment
  Posted on November 30, 2011 at 5:03pm
  @ joe1234
  Posted on November 30, 2011 at 4:45pm
  
  “religion it is that you’re promoting because it is neither Catholicism, nor Lutheran. But it could well be Jesuit.”
  
  you’re a serious wacko nut-job. wow…those voices will take you to hell with them…
  
  “You are neither promoting Christ, nor the Doctrine of Christ. You are both L I A R S of a very dangerous cult, no less vile than islam.
  ”
  
  you are the liar, as this very statement proves.
  
  why don‘t you list all the places I’ve lied? hmmmm?? put up or shut up.
  
  but all you can do is go onto your next talking point…because you don’t have the intellect or the integrity to debate the issues….
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  Two things.
  
  First, you should learn how to post counter points so people don’t mistake your comments for others. Your methodology is as flawed as your worship within your Luciferian cult.
  
  2nd. We KNOW that you are a liar, because ALL you have are attacks, and you’ve taught THE FAITH to become just like you, a pervert of the Christian faith who know nothing but attack against anything that threatens your little cult ridden dogma.
  
  I could care less whether you and that other guy call me a liar, my basis is built on the Bible, yours are built on fallen man, so you’re calling Christ a liar. At your death, take LOTS of ice, Sheol. Scripture says it ge
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- by faith
  Posted on November 30, 2011 at 5:04pm
  10th
  did you miss your meds today?
  Please show me where I said Jesus was born on Dec 25
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- The10thAmendment
  Posted on November 30, 2011 at 5:05pm
  (Sheol gets rather warm) ^
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- The10thAmendment
  Posted on November 30, 2011 at 5:08pm
  @ by faith
  Posted on November 30, 2011 at 5:02pm
  
  10th
  Rock of the Churches founding, Christ, and replacing HIM with a preacher., named Peter. ONLY Christ holds the Keys of David. You guys do dishonor the faithfulness of Peter thru false teaching.
  
  So now you agree Peter is the rock?
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  You read peoples comments the same way you read the Bible. WRONG!
  
  Peter is NOT the Rock of Salvation. Jesus the Christ is. Peter was a preacher, and you continue to dishonor his faithful service TO CHRIST, who IS the Rock the Church was build on.
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- by faith
  Posted on November 30, 2011 at 5:12pm
  The Tenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, which is part of the Bill of Rights, was ratified on December 15, 1791.The Tenth Amendment states the Constitution’s principle of federalism by providing that powers not granted to the federal government nor prohibited to the states by the Constitution are reserved, respectively, to the states or the people.
  
  You know that’s kinda like Jesus and the Catholic Church. Jesus takes care of the big things and the Catholic church guided by the Holy Spirit takes care of the rest. You know like which books belong in the Bible and such
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- by faith
  Posted on November 30, 2011 at 5:16pm
  10th
  “Peter is NOT the Rock of Salvation. Jesus the Christ is. Peter was a preacher, and you continue to dishonor his faithful service TO CHRIST, who IS the Rock the Church was build on.”
  
  I’ll stick with Peter is the Rock, since that is what Jesus said and that is what was believed for almost 1,500 years before your version came into being.
  History and the Bible are on my side.
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- The10thAmendment
  Posted on November 30, 2011 at 5:17pm
  @ by faith
  Posted on November 30, 2011 at 5:04pm
  
  10th
  did you miss your meds today?
  Please show me where I said Jesus was born on Dec 25
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  You apparently haven’t missed yours. But that’s okay, the Church openly practices alchemy in your little cult. It keeps you braying to the masters prod.
  
  So you admit openly that Rome borrowed a date that was certainly a well known date ending Saturnalia as a confusion to those who practiced pagan rites? Thru your cut and pastes those “fallacies” were to be denied.
  
  On top of that, if that is in fact your position which seems pretty clear to anyone reading, you admit that Rome believes in having to deceive people thru that form of proselytizing to join the Church?
  
  Where and WHAT in GODS WORD gives man the permission to be LIARS, and present anything other than the Truth? Where? Denying the TRUTH, IS denying Christ because Christ IS the TRUTH, and those are the liars who Christ will CERTAINLY cast with the whore into Sheol.
  
  There’s still time for you, and I pray (seriously on my knee’s before Christ) you find salvation.
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- The10thAmendment
  Posted on November 30, 2011 at 5:22pm
  @ by faith
  Posted on November 30, 2011 at 5:12pm
  
  The Tenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, which is part of the Bill of Rights, was ratified on December 15, 1791.The Tenth Amendment states the Constitution’s principle of federalism by providing that powers not granted to the federal government nor prohibited to the states by the Constitution are reserved, respectively, to the states or the people.
  
  You know that’s kinda like Jesus and the Catholic Church. Jesus takes care of the big things and the Catholic church guided by the Holy Spirit takes care of the rest. You know like which books belong in the Bible and such
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  Um no, God decided which Books went into Scripture, not some goof balls in Nicea. They were simply the instruments, no different than a jawbone of an ass, to bring HIS WILL about.
  
  The 10th Amendment was certainly a JESUIT, Knights of Malta, Masonic order inclusion. To say otherwise would be a lie.
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- by faith
  Posted on November 30, 2011 at 5:45pm
  10th
  you can’t be that dense
  You really need to improve your reading comprehension skills, maybe look up the word fallacy.
  
  The only liar here is you – and you should be worried
  
  Thanks for the prays, I will continue to pray for you too
  I pray this every morning (just one of many):
  My God, I believe, I adore, I trust and I Love Thee! I beg pardon for all those that do not believe, do not adore, do not trust and do not love Thee. Oh Most Holy Trinity, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, I adore Thee profoundly. I offer Thee the most precious Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ present in all the tabernacles of the world, in reparation for the outrages, sacrileges and indifferences by which He is offended. By the infinite merits of the Sacred Heart of Jesus and the Immaculate Heart of Mary I beg the conversion of poor sinners.
- by faith
  Posted on November 30, 2011 at 5:50pm
  10th
  you finally get it!!!
  Um no, God decided which Books went into Scripture, not some goof balls in Nicea. They were simply the instruments, no different than a jawbone of an ass, to bring HIS WILL about.
  
  Well almost, it wasn’t the council of Nicea, but God did work through His Church to approve the list of books for the Bible
  It was AD 382 Council of Rome (whereby Pope Damasus started the ball rolling for the defining of a universal canon for all city-churches). Listed the New Testament books in their present number and order.
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- The10thAmendment
  Posted on November 30, 2011 at 6:08pm
  Unfortunately the first “canons” of scripture FAR predate what was done at Nicea, or at Rome. You haven’t studied this subject very much FAITH, and instead rely on agenda doctrine peddled as truth, but is not. Even Justin Martyr discusses the Pauline Doctrine.
  
  Sadly the Catholic Church regards Marcions canon heretical and there’s undoubtedly good reason for that. It threatens the lie that Peter holds the keys to the Kingdom, and in fact never included any of the nonsense adopted as a counterfeit of Peter being some mythological rock of the Churches origins. That lie didn’t come until the Council of Rome.
  
  So who was rewriting doctrine? It certainly appears that the fallacy of Rome was who usurped original Christian doctrine and counterfeited the intent of Christ.
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- The10thAmendment
  Posted on November 30, 2011 at 6:21pm
  @ by faith
  Posted on November 30, 2011 at 5:45pm
  
  10th
  you can’t be that dense
  You really need to improve your reading comprehension skills, maybe look up the word fallacy.
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  My reading comprehension isn’t flawed.
  
  Fallacies come in MANY forms, and the one(S) you are advocating in your inclusions thru cut and paste, and your conclusions of them is known as a deductive fallacy, strawman, and even a bandwagon variety, thru your culmination as the sounding board for circular reasoning. Which is the easiest of the flaws in your deflection fallacies to spot.
  
  When you have to rely on the authority of flawed man over Scriptural Truth your argument is weak and ineffective in Spiritual matters.
  
  When you first started taking up Joe’s method of attack attack attack, your message and method became built on sinking sand.
  
  I would hope that you at least understand, or know, that the ONLY prayer God hears when people are caught in sin, is the prayer of forgiveness.
  
  Even my responding in kind by calling you and Joe Beavis and B u tthead I had to give to Christ, because its just wrong to resort to that type of callous name calling. So I apologize to both of you in front of ALL the witnesses in this forum, as well as to God.
  
  I personally don’t care what your beliefs on Peter are. That’s for you and Christ to sort out.
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- by faith
  Posted on November 30, 2011 at 6:22pm
  10th
  Once again I have to ask for clarification form you
  Jesus intended to have a church here on earth that is clear.
  He said the Gates of Hell would not prevail against it
  But you keep telling me the hell has prevailed
  
  You keep making these wild accusations but offer no proof.
  even if you are right and 382 is still 1200 years before your church came to be
  Justin Martyr (a Cathloic) discusses the Pauline Doctrine, so what did he say
  If you would like I could provide you with more detal, I was trying to keep it short because you cant read so good
  HISTORY AND THE BIBLE ARE ON MY SIDE
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- by faith
  Posted on November 30, 2011 at 6:22pm
  Timeline of how the Bible came to us
  AD 51-125 – The New Testament books are written.
  AD 140 Marcion, a businessman in Rome, taught that there were two Gods: Yahweh, the cruel God of the Old Testament, and Abba, the kind father of the New Testament. Marcion eliminated the Old Testament as scriptures and, since he was anti-Semitic, kept from the New Testament only 10 letters of Paul and 2/3 of Luke’s gospel (he deleted references to Jesus’s Jewishness). Marcion’s “New Testament”, the first to be compiled, forced the mainstream Church to decide on a core canon: the four Gospels and Letters of Paul. AD 367 The earliest extant list of the books of the NT, in exactly the number and order in which we presently have them, is written by Athanasius, Bishop of Alexandria, in his Festal letter # 39.
  AD 382 Council of Rome (whereby Pope Damasus started the ball rolling for the defining of a universal canon for all city-churches). Listed the New Testament books in their present number and order.
  AD 393 the Council of Hippo, which began “arguing it out.” Canon proposed by Bishop Athanasius.
  AD 397 The Council of Carthage, which refined the canon for the Western Church, sending it back to Pope Innocent for ratification. In the East, the canonical process was hampered by a number of schisms (esp. within the Church of Antioch).
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- by faith
  Posted on November 30, 2011 at 6:24pm
  A timeline of the Protestant Reformation (1517-1685).
  1517(31 Oct.) – Martin Luther posts the 95 Theses in protest at the Catholic practice of indulgences.
  1520 Luther outlines his theology and other views in three works: To the Christian Nobility of the German Nation, On the Babylonian Captivity of the Church and On the Freedom of a Christian.
  1521 Henry VIII of England opposes Luther in writing Assertio septem sacramentorium, or, “Defence of the Seven Sacraments”. Pope Leo X rewards Henry by granting him the title Fidei Defensor or “Defender of the Faith”.
  1521 The Diet of Worms – Luther’s refusal to recant results in his excommunication by Pope Leo X
  1522 Luther publishes his own translation of the New Testament in German. Removing eleven books from the canon of the Bible — seven and parts of Esther and Daniel from the OT and four from the NT
  1526 William Tyndale Publishes a translation of the New Testament in English.
  1529 Luther meets the Swiss Reformer Ulrich Zwingli at the Marburg Colloquy to discuss the issue of the presence of Christ in the Eucharist. Both parties are unable to come to an agreement, with Luther defending his view of a Sacramental Union of the body and blood and the bread and wine as opposed to the symbolic view of Zwingli.
  1530 Publication of the Augsburg Confession, a summary of Lutheran doctrine.
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  Posted on November 30, 2011 at 6:24pm
  1533 The marriage of Henry VIII and Catherine of Aragon is declared null and void by Thomas Cranmer, Archbishop of Canterbury in defiance of the Catholic church. Henry later marries Anne Boleyn.
  1534 Act of Supremacy: Henry VIII becomes supreme head of the Church in England, which separates from the Roman Catholic Church.
  1534 Ignatius of Loyola founds the Jesuit order as part of the Catholic counter-reformation. Parts of Poland, Hungry and Germany are reconverted from Protestantism to Catholicism.
  1535 Thomas More, Lord Chancellor is executed by Henry VIII for refusing to support the English reformation.
  1536 William Tyndale burnt at the stake for heresy.
  1536 Protestant reformer John Calvin publishes his work of systematic theology: Institutes of the Christian Religion.
  1536-40 Henry VIII undertakes the dissolution of the Monasteries in England, Wales and Ireland.
  1545-63 As part of the Catholic reformation, the Council at Trent meets to reform and clarify Catholic doctrine.
  1546 Death of Martin Luther
  1555 Peace of Augsburg grants toleration to Lutherans within the Holy Roman Empire using the principle of cuius regio, eius religio or “Whose region, his religion”.
  1560 Publication of Geneva Bible, the first with chapter and verse divisions.
  1563 Production of the 39 Articles of the Church of England as a doctrinal statement of faith.
  1564 Death of John Calvin.
  1598 French Protestants (Huguenots) are granted toleration by Henry IV in the Edict of Nantes.
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  Posted on November 30, 2011 at 6:26pm
  1611 Publication of the King James Version of the Bible.
  1618-48 Protestant/Catholic conflict in Germany (The Thirty Years War).
  1685 Revocation of the edict of Nantes by Louis XIV. Exodus of Protestants from France.
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- by faith
  Posted on November 30, 2011 at 6:29pm
  I like how you think you can read my soul…God can’t hear my pray?
  
  and if you don’t care, then why do you keep posting?
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- by faith
  Posted on November 30, 2011 at 6:34pm
  10th
  “You haven’t studied this subject very much”
  
  Please, I have forgotten more about this than you will ever know
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- The10thAmendment
  Posted on November 30, 2011 at 6:55pm
  @ by faith
  Posted on November 30, 2011 at 6:22pm
  
  10th
  Once again I have to ask for clarification form you
  Jesus intended to have a church here on earth that is clear.
  He said the Gates of Hell would not prevail against it
  But you keep telling me the hell has prevailed
  
  You keep making these wild accusations but offer no proof.
  even if you are right and 382 is still 1200 years before your church came to be
  Justin Martyr (a Cathloic) discusses the Pauline Doctrine, so what did he say
  If you would like I could provide you with more detal, I was trying to keep it short because you cant read so good
  HISTORY AND THE BIBLE ARE ON MY SIDE
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  You seem to think you know what Justin Martyr said, but the Pauline Doctrine he cites, are the canon of Marcion which included 10 epistles of Paul and what came to be known as the Gospels, which were assembled nearly 200 years before the Council of Rome. No mention of Peter is why Marcions canon became known as heretical, because it didn’t promote man as God to salvation, but rather God coming down to man to bring salvation.
  
  My former Priest is here so I’m going to have to leave for awhile. Until then, please stop with the copy and pastes of mans doctrine. They clog your argument.
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- My Faith
  Posted on November 30, 2011 at 7:22pm
  @BI got Faith
  
  what happened to dumbo joe.bi got faith is a loser nut job.he argues with every one even catholics.bi got faith thinks peter is the savior. Wat a idiot.loser wacko
- by faith
  Posted on November 30, 2011 at 10:26pm
  I can only conclude from your response you again didn’t read my post
  Sorry have to go now. Have drinks with th black pope
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- by faith
  Posted on December 1, 2011 at 9:49am
  10th
  Let’s start with a few facts.
  First you claim to be Catholic…yet you know very little truth about the Catholic Church
  You also posted that you were leaving the Church and when someone posted for you to go; you claim you already left. You do understand the difference with leaving and left?
  Your incorrect position on the Black Pope and the Knights of Malta
  This and more prove you are either a liar or you are ignorant to the facts.
  Your supposed explanation of Justin Martyr and the Pauline Doctrine once again is short on explanation and facts. Now let me tell you who Justin Martyr was: Justin Martyr (the Church’s first major lay apologist), born at Flavia Neapolis, about A.D. 100, converted to Christianity about A.D. 130, taught and defended the Christian religion in Asia Minor and at Rome, where he suffered martyrdom about the year 165. Was a disciple of Plato and most likely born into a Pagan family. After his conversion, while in Rome, Martyr and several of his disciples were condemned to death for the beliefs. The books quoted by Justin are called by him “Memoirs of the Apostles”. He refers in all probability to the four Evangelists, i.e. to two Apostles and two disciples of Christ. The authors, however, are not named: he mentions the “memoirs of Peter”, but the text is very obscure and uncertain.
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- by faith
  Posted on December 1, 2011 at 9:50am
  . All facts of the life of Christ that Justin takes from these memoirs are found indeed in our Gospels; he adds to them a few other and less important facts, but he does not assert that he found them in the memoirs. It is quite probable that Justin used a concordance, or harmony, in which were united the three synoptic Gospels. Justin’s dependence on St. John is indisputably established by the facts which he takes from Him. Justin does not use the fourth Gospel as abundantly as he does the others.
  Martyr believed; for an early Christian to miss the Sunday Eucharist was unthinkable. At the beginning of the fourth century, 49 Christians in northern Africa went to their deaths rather than miss the weekly Mass (Cf. Message of the XI Ordinary General Assembly of the Synod of Bishops on the Eucharist, October 22, 2005). “We cannot live without the Eucharist” was a statement repeated by early Christians. St. Justin Martyr, wrote one of the earliest accounts of the Mass. It had essentially the same structure as it has today: gathering of the faithful, readings from the inspired books, homily or exhortation, offering of gifts, Eucharistic prayer, reception of Communion, final dismissal. (but you are leaving or have already left the Eucharist)
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- by faith
  Posted on December 1, 2011 at 9:50am
  Since I already gave you these dates (AD 51-125 – The New Testament books are written, AD 140 Marcion,…)and Martyr dies in 165 he was using non-canonized manuscripts as his sources.
  Now let me tell you who Martyr was not. Martyr was not Pope and Martyr was not part of the Magisterium or teaching authority of the Church. Nor did he claim to be. The Bible as we know it, did not come into existence until the Catholic Church, guided by the Holy Spirit with the Pope as its leader canonized it.
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- by faith
  Posted on December 1, 2011 at 10:29am
  by faith
  Posted on November 30, 2011 at 6:22pm
  Timeline of how the Bible came to us
  AD 51-125 – The New Testament books are written.
  AD 140 Marcion, a businessman in Rome, taught that there were two Gods: Yahweh, the cruel God of the Old Testament, and Abba, the kind father of the New Testament. Marcion eliminated the Old Testament as scriptures and, since he was anti-Semitic, kept from the New Testament only 10 letters of Paul and 2/3 of Luke’s gospel (he deleted references to Jesus’s Jewishness). Marcion’s “New Testament”, the first to be compiled, forced the mainstream Church to decide on a core canon: the four Gospels and Letters of Paul
  
  The10thAmendment
  Posted on November 30, 2011 at 6:55pm
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  More proof you don’t read. At 6:22 I posted information about Marcion
  33 minutes later you post “the canon of Marcion which included 10 epistles of Paul and what came to be known as the Gospels, which were assembled nearly 200 years before the Council of Rome.”
  implying that I didn’t know about the Macion.
  Again, it‘s no wonder you can’t understand what the Bible says, you can’t even comprehend what lil ole me posts.
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dontbotherme
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 1:15pm
It seems as though he is saying that we must take care of the environment, but not at the expense of people vs animals.
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- sta
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 1:23pm
  Don’t get in the way of a good Catholic bashing with facts.
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- diggyorange
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 1:30pm
  @STA : very well said.
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- dontbotherme
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 1:33pm
  STA: Sorry. :)
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- smithclar3nc3
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 2:08pm
  Is anyone suprised that the same church that pushes social justice and support the pro-abortion politicians that support it. That that church would also support another liberal progressive ponzi scheme comes as no suprise. What is suprising is the fact people continue to go to Catholic church even though they helped hide pediphiles,slaughered millions for gold,burned women to death for wanting to be educated,condemn abortions and support pro-abortion candidates out of the same mouth. While I believe the book on which the Catholic religion claims to be based I have zero repsect for the orginazation of elitists and Hypocrits that run and have ran the orginazation.
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- Survivor101
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 2:23pm
  @smithclarblahblahblah….you apparently have fallen trap to the nonsense that even Beck is perpetuating. There is a resurgence in the Catholic Church that is changing the culture. The increase of latin mass, the recent changes within the english mass etc….the problem currently are idiots that bash the church versus contributing to the demolition of the infested liberals that now occupy the organization (kind of sounds like out gov’t). I have a priest nearby that upsets people (but has the blessings of the current Pope) the bellows out about dressing modestly to reduce temptation, turn against rock music, lets the followers know the pitfalls laying for teens (ie the web page that kids get a free t-shirt if they record their blasphemy of the Holy Spirit) etc….too many people identify symptoms and not enough research and understand the problem.
  This is the same as the last article about the Pope a few weeks ago – an article that the Pope did not endorse but was a direct result of liberal perpetrators within the church. I would be careful about bashing any Hebrew/Christian religion in our day and time.
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- NHwinter
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 3:51pm
  Survivor101 – You are right in what you have stated. I was very disappointed with the Blaze after their last post on the Pope. I asked them to post a follow up with actual facts, but they did not. Beck did have a pretty good discussion on GBTV about that posting and it was clarified that it did not come from the Pope. I am so tired of people posting such false statements about the Catholic Church. There are bad apples in EVERY faith and people truly delight in their hateful bashing. What a shame.
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- smithclar3nc3
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 4:08pm
  survivor1,
  No I got nothing wrong if the Church allows the actions of some they then endorse it by not comndemning. If a catholic Preist can open support a man that supports abortion even so far as late term and partical birth and keep his church . The Church then by association supports the same abortion beliefs. I‘ve no concerns about my immortal soul in this time or any other as I believe the word and don’t use it to control or capitalize like the Catholic. I don’t gather fund to erect temples in places where people are starving. I don’t hide pediphiles for fear of public relations. And I don‘t support candidates that don’t view a child born or other wise as a life.
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- Free2speakRN
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 12:52am
  That’s good. Both of you.
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- Free2speakRN
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 1:23am
  dontbotherme ; sta; Survivor101; NHwinter
  ie. The four of you. (That’s good. Both of you.)
  
  smithclar3nc3
  Don’t mix up hypocrasy with teaching.
  
  “I‘ve no concerns about my immortal soul in this time or any other as I believe the word and don’t use it to control or capitalize like ‘the Catholic’.”
  Smith, You sound like a Nazi, “The Jew.” Keep exulting yourself, you know what happens. I’d lose the ego a bit. You’ll be more attrative.
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- ktalk11
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 10:41am
  NHWinter – I appreciate your reply to Survivor101 ->> – You are right in what you have stated. I was very disappointed with the Blaze after their last post on the Pope. I asked them to post a follow up with actual facts, but they did not. Beck did have a pretty good discussion on GBTV about that posting and it was clarified that it did not come from the Pope. I am so tired of people posting such false statements about the Catholic Church. There are bad apples in EVERY faith and people truly delight in their hateful bashing. What a shame<<
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  I'm curious, when did Beck have that discussion about the said posting? I was waiting to hear them address it, as I listen to GBTV daily and I didn't hear.
  
  That's all I'm asking The Blaze to do is to follow up on these 'Catholic' or Pope articles. They are quickly falling into the 'sensationalist' trap that much of the media does when it comes to reporting about the Catholic church. I would encourage them to heed their own advice and 'do your own homework'.
  
  Blaze – Please, please if you are going to post articles about the Catholic Church then do the fair research from all perspectives. If you need help doing that, get a Catholic correspondent on your staff to do the proper research for you. A Catholic correspondent will know the lefty Catholic news sites and the more conservative Catholic sites and be able distill the info from them and find out the truth.
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TheSitRep
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 1:14pm
Of coarse he believes.
That’s what he does.

He also believes that Mary got preggers w/out doin’ the dirty and a whole host of other BS.
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- diggyorange
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 1:45pm
  THIS IS A PRETTY SICK COMMENT, and so are you.
  You also sound like an immature idiot, with the vocabulary of a kindergartener.
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- OniKaze
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 1:47pm
  Don’t make it sound like he is alone with that nonsensical belief… From what I hear, Most christians believe that as well… And the whole “The world was created in seven days”.
  
  People, you are welcome to believe what ever you like, but I advise you not to just believe something just because someone told you or you read it in a book… Fact: The Bible was written by MAN back when there was no real government or Law (besides local/city law which varied from place to place). It was man-kinds solution. If your life’s situation is grim (which back then most people’s lives were) then you need to believe that there is a reason for all of this. A reason to behave, if you will. If not for that, then many more back then would turn to murder and thievery to attain what they wanted, with no fear of retribution (who needs moral‘s if you don’t have to answer for them).. So a solution was created. Instill a faith into people that tells them to “be good or else they will be punished for eternity..”
  
  Worked pretty well (still does for most people). It’s okay to believe in God (even I do) and a higher power.. But I advise you, the bible is a book that has been edited and re-written many times at the convenience of the “Church”. Take everything you read in today’s bible , or hear from the pope with a grain-of-salt. Man has tainted God’s word for his own benefit. In the end, only GOD knows what GOD wants.. and if he doesn’t tell you personally, your not mean
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- Grannie4news
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 1:58pm
  @sitrap I feel sorry for you. Ignorance doesn’t always turn out to be bliss
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- The10thAmendment
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 2:09pm
  @ OniKaze
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 1:47pm
  
  Don’t make it sound like he is alone with that nonsensical belief… From what I hear, Most christians believe that as well… And the whole “The world was created in seven days”.
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  Well, no, no we don’t believe in those things. Babes in Christ might, but not any who have been weaned off of milk.
  
  As a Christian and just thru a quick study of Genesis without getting into Spiritual wisdom, I can easily show that the current age of man is entering some 2,500,000 years.
  
  So I would say that you read and believe the lie presented by your atheistic mumbo jumbo group of halfwitted academics who are clueless, and simply talk from their rear end. Tell me, if you know, do your a-holes get jealous of the crap your mouths excrete?
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mbriz
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 1:13pm
Every major academy of science from around the world, every major university studying the problem, NASA, The American meteorological Society, even a scientist hired by the Koch brothers to disprove manmade climate change say global warming at this time is caused by man, but because FOX News, and becky say it isn’t, you believe them? What is wrong with you? Your brainwashed.
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- sWampy
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 1:25pm
  Useful idiot alert, spread lies, and accuse others of being you.
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- edcoil
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 1:33pm
  Even Canada is pulling out of the UN climate wack job caucus. No one believes that junk science/hoax any longer.
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- TheSitRep
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 1:43pm
  Most scientist don’t support the agw theory as the evidence is not there.
  
  In fact the people that are behind it have been shown to be financially and ideologically interested and have been exposed as charlatans.
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- Maxim Crux
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 1:53pm
  If you believe that, then why don’t you off yourself to save the planet
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- The10thAmendment
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 2:01pm
  LMAO. A leftist nutjob citing Fox News as though people on the right actually believe the majority of the drivel peddled there by moderates who are nothing more than right wing progressives. Spare us the deflection of your obtuse imaginations.
  
  Gee every “major” academic University! WOW no special interests there (at this point uncheck the sarcasm font).
  
  When I want to know the weather, I’ll ask a farmer. When I want to understand cleaning up a mess, I’ll consult a janitor. Both of which are more sound in their ability to provide the right answer, than a “scientific” who’s computer modeling is dramatically flawed even from school to school, and who’s “prophesy” (predictions on the future climate) based on NOTHING more than thin air.
  
  Thanks but no thanks. I happen to know the one who controls all things, and it’s CERTAINLY not the governance of a self described intellectual group of technocrats. Natures God is in control. I’ll trust him.
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- Brad
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 2:21pm
  MBRIZ…. It seems you have been set “aBLAZE” by the previous comments and it doesn’t make sense for me to pile on, but I thought I might take some pity on you and perhaps help you out a bit. Educate yourself about the hoax that is being perpetrated on the entire global population regarding these environmental issues. Here is a great place to start –> http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Green-Agenda/264100833636368?ref=tn_tnmn
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- saranda
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 2:36pm
  Canada‘s formally pulling out of Kyoto has to do with the politics of the agreement and should not be used to point to Canada’s formal position on green house gases. Canada’s problem with the agreement is that it needs to include China and India in a meaningful way.
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- mbriz
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 3:46pm
  I expect nothing less from the clones.
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- AFeatherAdrift
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 4:03pm
  They prefer to believe the polluters and most of these folks don’t want to pay taxes. They are anti-everything. Crazier than loons the lot of them
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- Baddoggy
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 4:08pm
  Enviromentalmidget alert!
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- foobear
  Posted on November 30, 2011 at 12:08am
  @Thesitrep: “Most scientist don’t support the agw theory as the evidence is not there.”
  
  Correct misuse of the singular there.
  
  The evidence is there. The science is simple, actually.
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 1:12pm
What he believes is irrelevant to what reality is. Those who would take his word would be comitting a logical fallacy called “argument from authority”. Because he has “authority” within the church does not mean that he’s an expert in non-Church related matters.
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- genennene
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 3:23pm
  Ghost, as a Catholic, I must say that you are correct.
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- Cape_Lookout_RW_Extremist
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 12:24pm
  Good post Ghost…
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GLOBALCRASH
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 1:05pm
The Pope and the Cult of the Catholic Church are part of the new plan for the NWO and the born again Roman Empire. He is the False Prophet that John warns about. Open your eyes and let the scales be removed that hide the truth. The Anti-Christ is alive and well and this false church will suffer the wrath of God and be served his rightous judgement!!
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- REPUB1
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 1:11pm
  WELL DONE good statement….
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- BuzzardSays
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 1:13pm
  You mean a.c. not A.C. of course? The A.C. will be much more powerful than a lowly Pope. But, every man, woman, and child at the age of reckoning is an a.c. of sorts if they are not believers in Christ, Jesus.
  
  You know this.
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- Ming The Merciless
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 2:01pm
  Amen!
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- genennene
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 2:55pm
  You are misinformed, and ignorant. The Catholic Church has nothing to do with a New World Order, except the one Christ set up in naming Peter the head of his Church. Exactly which of the approximately 260 Popes was the False Prophet? Pope Benedict XVI? And when he dies (given his age that could occur any time), would the anti-Christ die then? Follow your own advice: “your eyes and let the scales be removed that hide the truth.”
  
  This Church is the Church of Christ, and will last long after you’ve gone where you are headed. I have hope for you. You know, St. Stephen must have really been surprised to see St Paul in heaven. Stephen must have thought, if he could get in, anyone can!
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- genennene
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 2:57pm
  Buzzard, does that make you an a.c. (little letters) since you fail to recognize the Church of Christ.
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- GLOBALCRASH
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 2:50am
  @genennene
  
  All Popes before and after have been a.c.’s and false prophets! The Catholic Church practices teachings that are not found in the Bible, (i.e. purg., paying for souls outta hell, the rosary, etc). These are all common themes among cults and false pagan gods. The Lord says not to ramble on and on the same prayer over and over saying the same thing over and over, like praying the rosery, these things pagans do. You only need to ask once, fore your father knows it before you even ask. Plus what about the Catholic Church stance on the inter-faith movement? Ever see the pic of Pope John Paul kissing the Koran??? Would JC do this??
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- foobear
  Posted on November 30, 2011 at 1:07am
  @Globalcrash: Have you ever read Benedict’s writings? I’m not a Catholic, but I have to say the guy actually has a very good grasp of theology, certainly better than the hysterical fundies that find antichrists under every rug and mattress, and study Revelations more than the Gospels.
  
  I am not a Catholic because some of their practices are distasteful to me (rosaries, confession to men not God, praying to Mary and the saints, holy days every other day, strict control over the liturgy), but they do make a good case that these practices were established in the Early Church, so weren’t out of line too much with the intent of the church.
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Detroit paperboy
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 1:04pm
@ snoop1e
I went to catholic schools and was always taught about the unbroken line of popes, all the way back to the apostle John….. But when i visited the vatican, it shows almost 3 hundred years without a pope …. Explain that unbroken lineage please, and no, i was not an alter boy, and why do they call the house the priests live in a RECTORY ? thats a little weird, seein how most of them are closet gays…….
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Dougral Supports Israel
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 1:02pm
I would like to ask the Pope if he believes that God created the Earth and all the coal and oil that is underground. When he inevitably replies yes, I would ask him why our Creator would supply us with such an abundant and easy to use source of energy that is so “destructive” to life on Earth. Perhaps he should mull that one over for a while.
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- BuzzardSays
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 1:18pm
  Law of un-intended consequences. Drown the creation but create coal in the same year. Ever wonder about OOP artifacts? The great underground water aqueducts filled to capacity with wood shavings and then covered by earth to steep a score of millenia. What a novel idea.
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- Eliasim
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 1:44pm
  There is a place in the Bible which refers to those who burn the fossils. But, some ignorant unthoughtful people believe it is speaking of those who burn fossil fuels, when it is actually speaking about those who burn the bridges to the past, and then they end up digging up the bones of the past looking for answers.
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- saranda
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 2:41pm
  Really? You have to ask that. They are many naturally occurring things which are destructive to life on earth..
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- Dougral Supports Israel
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 3:15pm
  Yes Saranda, I do ask that because I believe the coal and oil are there to be used. I don’t accept the supposedly “settled” science that is trotted out to justify the imposition of a “green economy” on the world. I don’t believe Man is smart enough to be accurate with predictions on what CO2 will do to the climate. I don’t believe that man is knowledgeable enough to accurately determine if the predicted warming is really bad. Perhaps and very likely a warmer planet would produce more food and have more arable land to feed a larger population.
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- genennene
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 3:27pm
  He might point out to you that God created arsenic as well, but misuse of it could still cause adverse effects. I don’t claim to know that the Pope thinks about this. I am a Catholic who turns to him on matters of Faith and Morals. While interested in his position, I do not check with him on manmade global warming, or who will win next year’s World Series.
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- AFeatherAdrift
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 4:07pm
  Have you ever heard of the world logical? Your argument is silly
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- foobear
  Posted on November 30, 2011 at 1:12am
  @Doug: “I would ask him why our Creator would supply us with such an abundant and easy to use source of energy that is so “destructive” to life on Earth”
  
  Why would the Creator give us rocks, when we can use them to stone everyone to death?
  
  Think before you post, sometime. Your logic makes my brain hurt.
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WhiteFang
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 1:00pm
Jesus Christ is the judge of all mankind.
He will take care of His Christian Congregation and will reveal who is who, who is true and who is a lier.
Matthew 28:18, John 5:22-23
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- Blacktooth
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 1:19pm
  Whitefang,
  
  If I may, John 5:19-23 says; Therefore, in answer, Jesus went on to say to them: “Most truly I say to YOU, The Son cannot do a single thing of his own initiative, but only what he beholds the Father doing. For whatever things that One does, these things the Son also does in like manner. 20 For the Father has affection for the Son and shows him all the things he himself does, and he will show him works greater than these, in order that YOU may marvel. 21 For just as the Father raises the dead up and makes them alive, so the Son also makes those alive whom he wants to. 22 For the Father judges no one at all, but he has committed all the judging to the Son, 23 in order that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He that does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him.
  
  Just some more context to explain more.
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- Eliasim
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 1:37pm
  Surely Jesus advocates for the guests invited to the marriage. Look up the parable of the Father preparing the wedding for his son. The Father sends out his servants, and they come back and then he sends them out to invite all they come upon. And when some come without the proper garments the Father sends them away. And yet the son advocates them to the Father, but the Father has the wisdom to know that they truly don’t accept the son or they would have worn the proper garments. Do you accept someone into your home who doesn’t accept your own son? At least the answer should be “No.” And even still, you as a Father do not accept all who your son invites into your home, because you know they are just using your son.
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David
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 12:57pm
Global warming and cooling trends exist independent of carbon emissions. It’s not like the Ice Age could have been prevented if there were a better system for carbon credit exchange.
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- Eliasim
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 1:04pm
  Yes, but when it comes to the bankruptcy and loss of power for the church, they will believe in One World Government and man-made Global Warming. Just as Reuben is predicted to do in the end days, the Catholic Church has defiled Jesus‘ couch and went up and defiled Jesus’ bed.
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- Eliasim
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 1:08pm
  Do you want to know about the Apostles or do you want to ignorantly remain ignorant which is the same as “Lukewarm?” Then look at what Jacob tells his children of the things that will befall them in the latter days.
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- genennene
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 3:02pm
  Eliasim, you are ignorant. The Catholic Church is the Church of Christ. I suspect you follow something less. That would be taking crumbs from the table.
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commoncents5
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 12:56pm
It doesn’t take a mental giant to figure out that if we remove all the concrete buildings,concrete walkways & asphalt roads covering the earth and plant more trees for shade the problem will take care of. Who is willing to do that? The scammers just want you to give to all their heartfelt causes.
As for the Pope I know he believes in Jesus Christ and that is a good thing, but some how I feel he leaves God out of this equation because God runs the world and not the Pope. And God is the only entity that is infallible. Just saying!
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- genennene
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 3:31pm
  I disagree with your position about the Pope, but respect your differences. The Pope is far more interested in what God wants from us than his own personal opinions. He does, however, have the responsibility to speak out on matters of Faith and Morals, and I believe he does this effectively.
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Survivor101
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 12:54pm
Really – how about what the head of LDS has to say? Why the constant articles about the Pope. I would prefer to keep religion and politics separated. The Pope is not the person that creates legislation and forces nonsense on We the People. Here is a clue for ya – how about analyzing how quick the flip-flop ad against Romney came out after the Romney ad against Obama. Lets talk about how all the candidates need to attack Obama to expose/exhaust the arsenal. Now we see exactly why people have been propping Mitt up against Obama – the machine is ready for Mitt.
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- genennene
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 3:34pm
  Survivor, I would prefer NOT to keep religion and politics separate. The Constitutional basis for this is to protect people from a national religion, not to keep people’s moral positions out of the marketplace of ideas.
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crichton
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 12:44pm
The second question to ask is, “Does it matter?”. I don’t think so, I don’t take marching orders from the pope or anyone, I think for myself and form my own opinions.
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On The Bayou
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 12:43pm
He`s The Pope, not an expert on climate. The climate has been changing for four billion years.
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- REPUB1
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 1:26pm
  HEY snooop1e
  Polycarp was the Scibe and student of the Apostle John on the Island of patmos after being dipped into boiling oil and sent away to patmos by the romans. Where John was givin Revelations. that FAKE church says that they were a church 2000 yrs?? do the math catholics didnt exist it was even Before The Lord Jesus Christ came of age. MORONS leading MORONS
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- genennene
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 3:46pm
  REPUB1, the Moron would be you here. The first Popes of the Church were: 1.St. Peter (32-67);
  2.St. Linus (67-76); 3.St. Anacletus (Cletus) (76-88); 4.St. Clement I (88-97); 5.St. Evaristus (97-105); 6.St. Alexander I (105-115); 7.St. Sixtus I -also called Xystus I (115-125); 8.St. Telesphorus (125-136).
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Detroit paperboy
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 12:42pm
Does the Pope put his skirt on one leg at a time, is the pope any better than anybody ? Does he have majical powers ? Does he take a big smelly dump every morning just like e eryone else? Is he a scientist ? Is he the leader of a group of men and women who dont have sex ?or claim not to…is he the top dog of a cult ? Who cares what this dude thinks? Not me…. And i believe in god, i just dont believe in religion…. Sorry
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- genennene
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 3:20pm
  Detroit Paperboy,
  “Does the Pope put his skirt on one leg at a time, is the pope any better than anybody ?” He is a man, like other men, but one chosen by the Holy Spirit to lead His Church.
  
  “Does he have majical powers ?” No, but when speaking on Truth and Morals on behalf of the Church, he has the authority to speak for the Church of Christ.
  
  “Does he take a big smelly dump every morning just like e eryone else?” Speak for yourself.
  
  “Is he a scientist ?” He is a theologian, with substantial education in science, multilingual, and probably far more educated than you will ever be.
  
  “Is he the leader of a group of men and women who dont have sex ?or claim not to” He is the leader of the Catholic Church, the largest educational, and health provider in the world, an organization that founded the Rule of Law, founded the University system, founded modern scientific method, and was responsible for a great many scientific discoveries and theories, including the Big Bang Theory.
  
  “…is he the top dog of a cult ?” No.
  
  “Who cares what this dude thinks?” Me, and many of the over one billion Catholics in the world, as well as a number of non-Catholics as well.
  
  ” Not me…. And i believe in god, i just dont believe in religion“ I believe your last word says it all ”…. Sorry”. Oh, and my God requires a capital letter.
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- The10thAmendment
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 3:57pm
  @ genennene
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  He retains that authority until unrighteousness is found in him. When it’s obvious that he is including special interests over absolutes, and allows perversion to operate under his watch, he loses the right to claim authority, and has become one with the idle Shepherd.
  
  The WORD is Gods authority on earth, not a created thing. Any who read the Torah can understand stewardship, and should act according to that doctrine. When the Torah’s message is mingled with the perversions of man, it is corrupt and to be rejected, no matter who utters it. Environmentalism is nothing more than a house of merchandise of filthy lucre, and the Church is WRONG allowing it to be sold from her porches.
  
  Thru Christ we have ALL been made Priests and Kings unto God, and we have a High Priest named Jesus the Christ. Just as all of creation declares the glory of God, so too does THIS Temple where he rules. If Christ reigns in your life the Spirit bears witness of the truth. I breathe in air provided by God which feeds the flow of blood thru my heart (which is the well spring of life and creation – see DNA) where God sits in reign. The 7 nodes of my lungs, which is the representation of the 7 Spirits of God (menorah) sends the message throughout this Temple. The Spirit that lives in me, is my authority, not a man, regardless of his title.
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endgamer
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 12:40pm
Follow the money.. If it will benefit the Vatican, they will promote the Green Movement.
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diggyorange
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 12:36pm
LETS SEE HOW MANY COMMENTS WILL BE on this article.
Its catholic related so all the bigots frothing at the mouth will no doubt chime in with their hate filled bull.
I bet it gets over 250 comments and over 50% will be hateFILLED .

I Think the blaze lives for these articles. Anything to stir the pot of hate.
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- diggyorange
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 1:05pm
  oh really and based on what facts? I do not engage in Ad hominem attacks against other religions. I will debate topics or false facts, but I NEVER engage in ad hominem attacks like most do here on GB’s site.
  This site has for some time now gotten the reputation of being anti-Catholic. (its not just me saying, its WELL known)
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- GLOBALCRASH
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 1:08pm
  See the truth and the light and it will set yopu free!!!!
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- rose-ellen
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 1:18pm
  Thin skinned hypocrite! You never complain when the anti-muslim genocidists spew their hatred.I’m catholic and believe the pope is infallible when it comes to doctrine [when he makes such ;pronouncements]. I know it sounds irrational but if you believe in God and the incarnation as I do then God can do anything and I believe Jesus founded the church and placed Peter the first head of His church and all subsequent popes are also legitimate heads of the church foundedGod himself[Jesus Christ]. Pope’s are only human and therefore capable of sins and flaws and mistakes but not when it comes to doctrine. Such is my belief. [I could care less about environmentalism and believe in the statement above that the world has had climate change since the planet was formed.]
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- rpp
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 1:29pm
  @Joe, DiggyOrange did not express any hate; he/she was just stating the obvious. Your post, by making that baseless accusation helped to prove his/her post was right on track. Thank you for confirming it by blaming victims of religious bigotry for your anti-Catholic bigotry.
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- sta
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 2:08pm
  I’m a Catholic married into a Presbyterian family. In my own family, I have Baptists, Methodists and Church of Christ. I love non-Catholics. But when people spew hateful comments (cult, Anti-Christ, etc.) you betcha I have a problem with them.
  
  Rule 13 of Alinksy’s Rules for Radicals:
  “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.”
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- rpp
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 3:34pm
  “you must be in a great deal of pain…such stupidity has to hurt. Actually I’ve supported the catholic church quite a bit, but I wouldn’t expect someone of your intellect to comprehend it.”
  
  Yep, no hate there. No demeaning comments, no rude remarks, no insults. Thank you again, Joe, for proving your even handedness, politeness and charitable expressions. I am sure you make your mother proud with such comments.
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snooop1e
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 12:35pm
Seriously???? The Pope thinks we should do what we can to reduce waste and polution and conserve natural resources and someohow that means he believes that humans are the cause of climate change? Talk about a stretch…..
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- The10thAmendment
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 12:53pm
  I’m leaving the Catholic Church. Rome has become a cheap whore for the beast with no moral character, and no ethical strength of principle. They intentionally have climbed into bed and committed fornication with the whore. I will not allow the perversion of a few to condemn my soul
  
  My heart has been broken by the hog slop that pervades doctrine “pimped” by Vatican City, but my Christ is the Great Physician.
  
  Global warming/climate change is a fraud designed as a ponzi scheme. Science is the fabric of the base, environmentalism (not to be confused with stewardship) the next stage of the building, global warming the next left of the pyramid, climate change the next, government regulations next, carbon exchange as cash the next, and a man of technocracy sitting at the top ruling.
  
  The church holds sway over millions, without which the ponzi scheme cannot succeed. The Pope just affirmed the last piece of selling out to the beast. The Church has become anti-Christ.
  
  Anyway. Good article taking on global warming/climate change rubbish.
  
  http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/07/climate_witchcraft_and_post_normal_science.html
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- sta
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 2:32pm
  The10thAmmendment – Please understand that you have read an AP (yes the AP that hates all Christians) quoting an article from a PBS station (yes the PBS that hates all Christians) about the head of one of the largest Christian organizations on Earth.
  
  Before you take this article as fact, know who is writing it.
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- Athanasius
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 2:45pm
  10thamendment – hold your horses, and don’t believe everything you read in slanted “news” articles like the one posted above. The Church does not and will never have a teaching on “global warming” and the Pope does not and will not claim any more competence in this than you or I have. What the Pope does have competence in is the preaching of the Gospel, in which we are told to have a special concern for the poor. Notice that the Pope does not mention specific policies, but is urging governments to avoid policies that harm the poor and future generations (some of us would put ruinous cap and trade legislation in that category). If you find THAT objectionable, well, I’ll pray for you.
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- genennene
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 3:12pm
  Thanks for the insight.
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- genennene
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 3:55pm
  The10thAmendment, I’m sorry you are leaving the Catholic Church, but your statements about the Church are all false. They have the ethical strength of principle. The perversion of a few will not condemn your soul, any more than those that might exist in your country carrying out perversion will condemn your would. Christ, the Great Physician, founded the Church, and called for us to follow. Look at Matthew 23. Christ calls on us to follow the leaders of the Church, even when they may not always follow what they preach. Don‘t position yourself not to carry out God’s will for you.
  
  What doctrine is the “hog shop pimped by Vatican City?” It sounds as if you have placed yourself as your own God.
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- The10thAmendment
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 4:23pm
  The authority of the Church has been abdicated. When they turn the House of God into a house of merchandise they have failed the authority of Christ. When they allow pedophile Priests to continue in the Priesthood, the doctrine is mingled wormwood. Forgiveness? Of course, but their is a certain punishment and relinquishment of authority required for that which they have allowed. No different than bowing to the throne of mammon thru appeasement theology.
  
  Christ gave the example of how our High Priest “must” remain when He was tried in the wilderness. If the Pope sins, or the Priests sin, of course they can be forgiven, but their authority, because they are no longer spotless becomes of no affect. Seeing sin and repenting, then allowing it to prevail (continue) is no repentance at all. It is transgression. A transgressor cannot lead the flock, because he is blind himself. Except off the cliff that is. They are no longer of the Spirit of God thru Grace, but under the penalty of the Law. Their garments (the Temple of the body) MUST be cleansed and made white as snow, but as long as sin is tolerated there is no remission. Their doctrine becomes perverted, without absolutes, because of what they allow with-in themselves. Their authority is forfeit.
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- by faith
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 4:55pm
  The10thAmendment
  “The authority of the Church has been abdicated.”
  
  So you think the church at one time had authority and has lost said authority? do you really think Jesus was wrong?
  Matthew 16:18: “I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it.”
  The gates of hell WILL NOT PREVAIL against it.
  You shouldn’t leave Peter because of Judas
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- The10thAmendment
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 5:35pm
  @ by faith
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 4:55pm
  
  The10thAmendment
  “The authority of the Church has been abdicated.”
  
  So you think the church at one time had authority and has lost said authority? do you really think Jesus was wrong?
  Matthew 16:18: “I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it.”
  The gates of hell WILL NOT PREVAIL against it.
  You shouldn’t leave Peter because of Judas
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  We cannot sit in a Temple that is teaching wrong things, or against the doctrine of God and HIS Christ. Tear this Temple down and in 3 days I will raise it up. Know ye not that YOU are a Temple of God? Upon the THAT rock he will build His Church.
  
  If Judas is the leader of my Church, I would be a fool to continue in it, because his doctrine would kill me.
  
  2 Cor. 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
  
  At the Altar of God you CANNOT erect idols. Josiah was the example of tearing down the groves, of idol worship and false doctrine. To be a Holy people, we must be free from the fornication of marrying (being unequally yoked together) with the world.
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- by faith
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 5:55pm
  10th
  First you didn’t answer my question. Was Jesus wrong?
  Secondly; The Catholic Church does not defy any of God’s commandments. Your response reveals an ignorance of the biblical facts surrounding statues. In Exodus 20:4 God condemned the carving of statues for the sake of worshipping them as idols–a blasphemy the Catholic Church also condemns. In Exodus 25:18-20, on the other hand, God commands Moses to carve statues for a religious purpose: two cherubim which would sit atop the Ark of the Covenant.
  Thirdly; your response smacks of New Age philosophy.
  
  Archbishop Fulton Sheen once said, “There are not even 100 people in this country who hate the Catholic Church, but there are millions who hate what they think the Catholic Church to be.”
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- The10thAmendment
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 6:29pm
  I did answer you question. Your view of what “rock” Jesus was declaring He would build His Church on is a matter of interpretation. I could have sworn that He called Peter by his name, and with the alluding to the Rock, He was talking about Himself. He IS the Chief Corner Stone (also known as the founding stone), the stone (or rock) that the builders rejected.
  
  I didn’t say anything about statues, where did you get that from? I said I D O L S. There is a distinct difference.
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- by faith
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 6:36pm
  Matthew 16:18: “You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church.”
  That’s where Jesus appointed Simon the earthly head of the Church. That’s where he appointed him the first pope.
  “but you Catholics misunderstand this verse because you don’t know any Greek. You people don’t know the language in which the New Testament was written. To understand Matthew 16:18, we have to get behind the English to the Greek. In Greek, the word for rock is petra, which means a large, massive stone. The word used for Simon’s new name is different; it’s Petros, which means a little stone, a pebble.” THIS IS FALSE
  As Greek scholars—even non-Catholic ones—admit, the words petros and petra were synonyms in first century Greek. They meant “small stone” and “large rock” in some ancient Greek poetry, centuries before the time of Christ, but that distinction had disappeared from the language by the time Matthew’s Gospel was rendered in Greek. The difference in meaning can only be found in Attic Greek, but the New Testament was written in Koine Greek—an entirely different dialect. In Koine Greek, both petros and petra simply meant “rock.”
  If Jesus had wanted to call Simon a small stone, the Greek lithos would have been used. The argument doesn’t work and showed a faulty knowledge of Greek. (For an Evangelical Protestant Greek scholar’s admission of this, see D. A. Carson, The Expositor’s Bible Commentary [Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 1984], Frank E. Gaebel
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- by faith
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 6:38pm
  We know that Jesus spoke Aramaic because some of his words are preserved for us in the Gospels. Look at Matthew 27:46, where he says from the cross, ‘Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?’ That isn’t Greek; it’s Aramaic, and it means, ‘My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?’
  In Paul’s epistles—four times in Galatians and four times in 1 Corinthians—we have the Aramaic form of Simon’s new name preserved for us. In our English Bibles it comes out as Cephas. That isn’t Greek. That’s a transliteration of the Aramaic word Kepha (rendered as Kephas in its Hellenistic form).
  And what does Kepha mean? It means a rock, the same as petra. (It doesn’t mean a little stone or a pebble. What Jesus said to Simon in Matthew 16:18 was this: ‘You are Kepha, and on this kepha I will build my Church.’
  When you understand what the Aramaic says, you see that Jesus was equating Simon and the rock; he wasn’t contrasting them. We see this vividly in some modern English translations, which render the verse this way: ‘You are Rock, and upon this rock I will build my church.’ In French one word, pierre, has always been used both for Simon’s new name and for the rock.
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- The10thAmendment
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 6:59pm
  None of that has anything to do with a misinterpretation of what Jesus.
  
  “And I say to thee. thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” Matthew 16:18
  
  Seems pretty clear to me, especially when put into the context of the discussion Jesus was having with the Disciples.
  
  When Peter answered who the Disciples believed He was, Peter responded? And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
  
  I’m sure that was the answer that Jesus anticipated, and declared that it was revealed by the Father.
  
  Then Jesus made the statement, And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
  
  I can picture Jesus happily declaring that Peter was Peter, (notice the pause?) and I can also see Jesus pointing His hands to Himself to show Peter the rock that He would build His Church on. It was a confirmation of Peters comment about who Jesus was.
  
  Scripture is for proof, reproof and correction. Apostolic traditions are mostly brought down thru the Pauline Doctrine, which comprise the basis for the vast majority of Christian Doctrine. Peter generally preached his message to the Jews, which lead to Paul jumping down Peters throat when Peter described the Gentiles as being unclean.
  
  For a founding stone, Peter made some major gaffs. Peter is the founding stone. Jesus is.
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- The10thAmendment
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 7:03pm
  (Peter is NOT the founding stone. Jesus is) ^
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- The10thAmendment
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 8:40pm
  Lets see what Peter himself had to say about the stone?
  
  To whom coming (Christ), as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men but chosen of God, and precious,
  
  Wherefore also it is contained in the Scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious; and he that believeth on Him shall not be confounded. Unto you therefore which believe He is preciou: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner, and, a stone of stumbling, and a ROCK of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: (I Peter 2:4. 6-8)
  
  Peter became known as Cephas because of that which he was able to discern concerning what the Old Testament Prophets and Psalmists had to say concerning the rock.
  
  The Lord is my ROCK, and my fortress, and my deliverer. My God, is the ROCK of refuge. Psalm 18:2, 94:22.
  
  Bow down Thy thine ear to me; deliver me speedily: be Thou my strong ROCK, FOR A HOUSE of defense to SAVE me. for Thou art my ROCK and my FORTRESS; therefore for Thy name’s sake lead me, and guide me. Psalm 31:2,3).
  
  Jesus in his discourse with Peter was praising Simon for having the Father reveal that it was Jesus, the Son of God, who was the Rock of our Salvation, on which the Church would be built.
  
  (more?)
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- The10thAmendment
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 8:59pm
  Jesus said to them, “Did ye never read in the Scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord’s doing, and it is marvelous in our eyes?” (Matthew 21:42)
  
  How about Romans?
  
  For they stumbled on the stumbling-stone, as it is written, “Behold I lay in Sion, a stumbling-stone and a ROCK of offense: and whosoever believeth on him (Christ) shall not be ashamed.” (Romans 9:33)
  
  Acts (Peters words)
  
  This is The stone which was set at naught of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. Neither is there salvation in any other: For there is no other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. (Also the words of St. Peter, speaking of Jesus Christ, as recorded in Acts 4:11, 12)
  
  We know Peter was not that stone the Church is built on because he was born of the seed of man (corruptible flesh), Jesus Christ, the Rock of Salvation was born of the seed of women thru the power of the Holy Spirit and raised incorruptible. He was sent by God, not like Peter who was send by man.
  
  The Temple (The Church) is the example of the Body of Christ, and we are all members of HIS Church, not the Church of Peter.
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- Free2speakRN
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 3:37am
  The10thAmendment, So, go.
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- by faith
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 9:35am
  10th
  So Jesus planned on building His church, but left no one in charge?
  Did St. Peter view his authority as equal to other Church leaders?
  To assert that Peter had no primacy is to ignore the clear passages to the contrary, such as Matthew 16:18-19, Luke 22:33, John 21:15-17, and Galatians 1:18. The answer to your question is found within the very context you cite. Peter says, “Clothe yourselves in humility in your dealings with one another, for God opposes the proud but bestows favor on the humble. So humble yourselves under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time” (1 Pt 5:5).
  By humbly calling himself a “fellow elder” Peter was not implying he was merely equal in authority to the presbyters of the Church; rather, he was practicing something he enjoined on others. This self-effacement is the virtue of humility which Jesus calls all Christians to cultivate: “Whoever wishes to be great among you shall be your servant, whoever wishes to be first among you shall be your slave” (Mt 20:26-27).
  Peter elsewhere reminds his readers that he is an “apostle of Jesus Christ” and as such had authority to preach and teach in the name of the Lord (cf. Lk 10:16). The very facts that Peter sent his epistles to instruct and guide the Church, and that the Church revered them as inspired, inerrant Scripture is sufficient testimony that Peter possessed an authority above that of a presbyter.
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- by faith
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 9:36am
  This sort of humility in dealing with the Church is evident throughout the apostolic writings. The lowest level of priestly minister was the deacon. The apostles ordained men to this office originally to distribute food to the needy and to wait on tables (Acts 6:1-6). Yet Paul, the great and eloquent writer of about half of the New Testament, describes himself as a mere deacon on several occasions (1 Cor 3:5, 4:1; 2 Cor 3:6, 6:4, 11:23; Eph 3:7; Col 1:23, 25).
  If you’re going to be consistent in claiming that Peter had no special authority above that of a presbyter, you’ll be forced to conclude that Paul was only a deacon and therefore had no authority over bishops, priests, or other deacons. But nobody would make such a patently unbiblical assertion.
  Paul, like Peter, presents himself in a humble, unassuming way–”I am the least of the apostles, not fit to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God” (1 Cor 15:10), “To me the very least of all the holy ones, this grace was given” (Eph 3:8)–but such humility does not indicate that Paul did not have jurisdiction over others. After all, he said rather pointedly, “Although I have the full right in Christ to order you to do what is proper, I rather urge you out of love” (Phlm 8-9). Only people in authority can issue orders.
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- by faith
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 9:49am
  Jesus chose Peter. He did not pick the more perfect John.
  So Peter had flaws, don’t we all?
  Your problem is not with the Catholic Church and Peter’s authority, you think Jesus picked the wrong guy to lead his church? I truly doubt you will read it, but here is an article about Peter’s Authority http://www.catholic.com/magazine/articles/peter%E2%80%99s-authority
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- The10thAmendment
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 12:50pm
  @ Free2speakRN
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 3:37am
  
  The10thAmendment, So, go.
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  I have. :-)
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- The10thAmendment
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 1:04pm
  @ by faith
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 9:35am
  
  10th
  So Jesus planned on building His church, but left no one in charge?
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  Peter became a powerful witness, but it was the Spirit sent from Christ who retains primacy. So yes, He did leave someone in charge. The person of the Holy Spirit. John 15:26 But when the Comforter (better defined as Counselor) is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: John 15:27 declares what those taught of the Spirit will become. And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.
  
  We have all been called, just as the Disciples were. They are the first Witnesses, not different than John the Baptist. They lead to Christ, but it’s the Spirit that instructs.
  
  Peter was certainly God inspired. Before Christs words were canonized there was a disconnect between what people knew, and what they imagined. Christ chose 12 who would be His first fruits teachers because they were necessary. The rock that Christ built His Church on was not Peter, but Peters revealed truth of Jesus being Gods Son, and the prophesied Messiah.
  
  (continued after this post.)
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- The10thAmendment
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 1:21pm
  We were given the exact same example thru the account by Jacob. Jacob laid his head down on a rock. Do you recall what happened when he did that? He saw Heaven opened and Angels ascending and descending from Heaven to earth and visa versa. What did he do with that rock? He anointed it with oil, and performed a drink offering on it and renamed the place of the vision and where he built an altar from that “rock”. Beth-el is what he named the place where his rested on the rock, and it means House of God. (Jacob was fleeing starvation and death, the rock opened hope and provided salvation)
  
  Peter was a great teacher in leading people TO the Rock (see John the Baptist also leading people to Christ), but as a Witness. It is the Rock, Jesus, who opens inspiration thru the Counselor who instructs. HIS Holy Spirit who opens the vision of Heaven being opened, and our being able to see the Angels ascending and descending between God and man.
  
  Even the mightiest of Angels implored those who they appeared to NOT to bow to them. We bow to God, and no one else.
  
  Peter was a Church leader who was faithful in teaching the high calling of God in CHRIST JESUS, who is the same Rock that Jacob laid his head on.
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- by faith
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 1:43pm
  10th
  your are suffering from delusion. If you are correct, then why did no one and I mean NO ONE believe that rock melarky until a few hundred years ago? For more than 1,000 years ALL Christians where part of the Catholic Church. In around 1054 the first break came and it was over “authority of the pope” Then came the Protesters Revolt and now we have 30,000 + “denominations”
  The devil loves devision and you are helping him spread it.
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- The10thAmendment
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 1:49pm
  Faith. I doubt anyone would ever contend that Peter was not a Church leader, and specially chosen by Christ because he displayed faithfulness in reporting the message of salvation. But he was a fallible man none the less. That was one of the reasons why I pointed out Paul going after Peter for misinterpreting the message, and teaching others the same error.
  
  Likewise I would not contend that my now former Priest was not a Church leader. But he is still a man, and is fallible. Nor is he the ROCK of my salvation. Nor was Peter THE rock of salvation. He was the witness that was faithful in revealing what the Father had revealed to him, being, That JESUS was the Son of God, the prophesied Rock of ALL Salvation.
  
  Peter was certainly blessed, as are any who witness of the Glory of God in truth, and faithfulness.
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- The10thAmendment
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 2:01pm
  @ by faith
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 1:43pm
  
  10th
  your are suffering from delusion. If you are correct, then why did no one and I mean NO ONE believe that rock melarky until a few hundred years ago? For more than 1,000 years ALL Christians where part of the Catholic Church. In around 1054 the first break came and it was over “authority of the pope” Then came the Protesters Revolt and now we have 30,000 + “denominations”
  The devil loves devision and you are helping him spread it.
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  The last I knew the Torah, the Psalmists, and the Prophets came long before the canonization of Scripture. So before the year 380AD or so no one was deluded into believing that Peter was the rock of our salvation, the founding stone, or especially the chief corner stone. Especially not any who the ancient writings pointing to WHO the Rock of Salvation was.
  
  Now you’re declaring Peter to be the one whom salvation comes thru. That’s called worshiping the CREATED thing.
  
  The devil also loves keeping people deceived thru well crafted heresy. That’s where your delusion resides because you are adding to the revealed WORD of God. Step away from the serpent in the garden thru “adding” words that God never uttered. I could care less about mans interpretation of thoughts they misconceive. Christ is my authority, who is yours?
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- by faith
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 2:13pm
  10th
  “I doubt anyone would ever contend that Peter was not a Church leader,…
  specially chosen by Christ”
  
  “The gates of hell shall not prevail against it”
  so Jesus was wrong, the gates have prevailed
  30K+ denominations later you non-denoms have figured it all out. everyone else is wrong including Jesus.
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- The10thAmendment
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 2:51pm
  @ by faith
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 2:13pm
  
  10th
  “I doubt anyone would ever contend that Peter was not a Church leader,…
  specially chosen by Christ”
  
  “The gates of hell shall not prevail against it”
  so Jesus was wrong, the gates have prevailed
  30K+ denominations later you non-denoms have figured it all out. everyone else is wrong including Jesus.
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  God willing one day I will have it all figured out, but until that time I will prostrate myself before HIS throne of Grace to find HIS mercy.
  
  What the gates of hell (Sheol, because hell is a misinterpretation) won’t prevail against was proven BY CHRIST the ROCK of Salvation, who descended INTO Sheol and preached to those who were dead, for 3 days. When those days came to a close, not even THE GATES OF YOUR HELL could constrain Christ Jesus from resurrecting to take HIS place on the Throne of Grace.
  
  Peter was a minister of Christ, and the Church built through the Rock of Salvation. He was certainly blessed, but he was none the less, NOT the rock of salvation, just as John the Baptist was not that light, but came to bear witness of the true light. Peter bears witness of the Rock of Salvation.
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neiman1
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 12:34pm
It is not about the climate but in taxing some nations to redistribute the wealth to other nations. The pope wanted the conference to think of the poor.
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Falsegods
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 12:34pm
OK, he made a stance, but where was he when the NWO banks (Vatican bank included) took the worlds wealth and made everyone slaves?
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PapaJohannesPatriot
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 12:29pm
Sorry, Pope. Please stick with theological matters. Science is not your forte.
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- M_Rose
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 12:42pm
  Amen to that!
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- genennene
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 4:01pm
  Sorry, but you are wrong. The Church has always financially supported science, held positions, and conferences to examine scientific research. This is no different.
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- AFeatherAdrift
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 4:12pm
  actually the Vatican scientists were the first to realize and name the big bang. Your ignorance is showing. You folks need to read beyond WND and the usually hate rags to learn a thing or two. Oh but I forget, You guys hate education.
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- RestoreFederalism
  Posted on November 29, 2011 at 7:17pm
  Actually JOHANNES, The church has had a history of speaking on scientific matters, which they should when advised by scientist (real ones, not the wacko earthers)
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TRONINTHEMORNING
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 12:29pm
A man-made religion leader supports the man-made global warming fraud. Perfect.
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- diggyorange
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 12:39pm
  LOL look at the responses already , so far 5 responses and none are based on the substance of the article .
  BIGOTS , all of you.
  YOU CANT stop the ONE and ONLY Holy APOSTOLIC Catholic Church.
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- snooop1e
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 12:39pm
  It always fascinates me when people who belong to a local church that was started by a MAN within the last decade or even the last century accues the Catholic church of being man made. Even a cursory review of Christian history or the writings of the early church (Polycarp, Clement, Augustine, Aquinas, Iranaeus, Ignatius, Origin, Anathaus) makes it very clear that the Catholic church leads back to the Apostles.
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- sWampy
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 1:31pm
  The catholic church and islam are both forms of government without borders disguised as religions, both together have been responsible for most of the human suffering caused around the world for the last 2000 years.
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- diggyorange
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 2:10pm
  @FLORIDACRACKER:DIGGYORANGE,
  You show with your notes why I do not trust a catholic in Congress or as a president. Your allegiance to your pope goes first than to your country. You are first a catholic and then everything else. You will defend him even when he stepped in it and you will call anyone who disagrees with your pope a hateful bigot.
  
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  LOL now your a MIND READER? huh your amazing So you know now that I put the Pope before my country? You got all that from my comments?You are VERY wrong, and definitely NOT clairvoyant. YOU ARE so far removed from reality its pathetic.
  I have yet to say if I agree or disagree with the Pope,(which btw I CAN DO) or even mention the topic I merely predicted the level of anti-catholic, hate filled bigotry that would manifest itself here on the blaze by the mere mention of the Pope or The Catholic Church.
  AND I’VE PROVEN MY CASE. Some people arent even commenting the substance of the article,or even what I’ve stated,only taking opportunities to disparage n smear the Pope , the Church and Catholics.
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- genennene
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 3:11pm
  Tron, I assume the man you are referring to is Jesus.
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- Dismayed Veteran
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 3:12pm
  @FLORIDACRACKER
  
  I am an American whose faith is Roman Catholic. I do not owe allegiance to the nation state of Vatican City. Your comments are ridiculous. It is as if I said anyone who follows John Calvin’s teaching has a greater loyalty to the PM of France or follwers of John Wesley have a greater loyalty to the Queen of England.
  
  My grandfather immigrated from Ireland as a small child. He fought in the Spanish American War and WWI. My father fought in WWII, Korea and Viet Nam. My uncle’s plane was shot down and his remains unrecoverable. I was in Viet Nam. My son is on his 3rd deployment. I guess I should tell my youngest son to get out of the Marine Corps option in Naval ROTC.
  
  I think we have shed enough blood to be considered Americans.
  
  YCKMA
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tobywil2
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 12:27pm
THE GREAT “GLOBAL WARMING HOAX” http://commonsense21c.com/images/GLOBAL_WARMING_SCAM.jpg

The proposals to combat “GLOBAL WARMING” caused by C02 emissions have more potential to destroy our freedom and prosperity than any issue since WORLD WAR II. The cost of energy is increased by all these proposals. Energy is contained in all the products used to sustain our lives.

These proposals will be devastating to the poor, where the cost of survival consumes all their income.

Do you realize that these proposals are to combat an issue that has not even been proven to exist?
AND YOU LAUGH AT DON QUIXOTE?

THESE PROPOSALS WILL ONLY ENHANCE THE POWER OF THE “PEERS.” “CAP AND TRADE WILL DESTROY YOUR WEALTH AND FREEDOM!!

BRACE YOURSELF, THOMAS PAINE, REJOICE YOU “PEERS” THE TYRANNY OF
KING GEORGE III IS BEING RESTORED BUT UNDER NEW MANAGEMENT!
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- HairRazor
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 1:08pm
  but, of course
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- foobear
  Posted on November 30, 2011 at 1:15am
  @Toby: “THESE PROPOSALS WILL ONLY ENHANCE THE POWER OF THE “PEERS.” “CAP AND TRADE WILL DESTROY YOUR WEALTH AND FREEDOM!!”
  
  First of all, posting in all caps is not a very good way of looking intelligent.
  
  Secondly, you’re absolutely right that liberal global warming policy will hurt our economy. This is why we need more conservatives and libertarians to write policy to reduce CO2 emissions. If we simply switched from coal to nuclear power, we’d far exceed Kyoto or Copenhagen targets, and not raise our power bills in the bargain.
  
  We wouldn’t even have to switch to human-powered Flintstone cars.
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HairRazor
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 12:24pm
This dude is bad news… sorry folks.
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- genennene
  Posted on November 28, 2011 at 3:04pm
  “This one” is great news, a bright theologian, and a good, Christian man. But then, Jesus had the same problem from those who held themselves out as more knowledgeable than God.
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sta
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 1:30pm
This is an AP article that uses a PBS station as reference for the Pope’s words.
If this had been an AP article that used a PBS station as a reference for Ronald Reagan, we’d all be laughing it off the page.

And you expect Catholics NOT to dispute it? Seriously?!?
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sta
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 2:01pm
I gave you the facts. The AP hates all Christians, especially Catholics and Mormons who fought the good fight together in CA.
PBS and their stations hate all Christians, especially Catholics and Mormons, etc. (they quote a CA PBS station as a reference)

And we are actually looking at this article as if they would quote the Pope correctly? Seriously?

With that, Floridacracker, have you read the comments here? Are Catholics supposed to hold hands with those who call our leader the Anti-Christ and sing Kumbaya? Or is it reasonable to call them what they are?
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Athanasius
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 2:31pm
No, I don‘t call people who disagree with the Pope’s personal opinion (even if this article had actually represented it) “hateful and bigots”; people who call the Pope the Anti-Christ and the Church the Great Whore and who toss about other hateful and bigoted terms, on the other hand, are, by definition, being hateful and bigoted. I’m not calling them names, but I am naming their behavior. Look at some of the comments above and below and ask yourself, honestly, whether they express simple disagreement (you‘ll notice many don’t even mention “global warming”) or whether they are pure ad hominem nastiness.

As an aside, when the Blaze posts articles written by people outside the Church that impute to the Pope opinions that he has not actually expressed (both the recent article about his supposed support for a world economic authority and the one above) it needlessly provokes anti-Catholic raillery. Can we try to find some articles that accurately express what the Pope and Church are saying?
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genennene
Posted on November 28, 2011 at 2:48pm
The bigotry here involves anti-Catholicism. Even if the Pope agreed with man-made global warming, it would not justify the anti-Catholicism.
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