DOE’s Vehicle Fleet Roughly The Size of Its 15,000+ Staff, Inspector General Calls The $60M Spent Annually on Travel a ‘Paltry Amount’
- Posted on April 18, 2012 at 10:30pm by
Becket Adams
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Director of the Energy Department’s budget office Christopher Johns & Department of Energy Inspector General Greg Friedman
During a hearing before a House Energy and Commerce subcommittee Wednesday, Department of Energy Inspector General Greg Friedman told Rep. Joe Barton (R-TX) that compared to amount of money spent by DOE contractors, the $60 million the department spends annually on travel is a “paltry sum.”
A “paltry sum”?
Think that’s bad? How about this: according to Christopher Johns, director of the Energy Department’s budget office, the DOE’s vehicle fleet is roughly the size of its staff — which is about 15,000 strong (not counting contractors).
Watch the “paltry sum” conversation unfold (via the Washington Free Beacon):
Here’s the transcript of that conversation:
REP. JOE BARTON: My first question is: Do you know how much DOE spent on travel last year?
CHRISTOPHER JOHNS (the director of the department’s office of budget): I could do the math for you—I don’t have the number off the top of my head.
BARTON: Do the other two witnesses know that number?
FRIEDMAN: I don’t know the answer, Mr. Barton, but what’s really interesting is the amount of money spent by the federal employees is a paltry amount compared to the amount spent by the facility management contractors of their department. That’s where the big bucks obviously are.
BARTON: Do you want to put numbers on those? When you say paltry that’s a pretty general term.
FRIEDMAN: I have not looked at the number. My understanding is it’s in the $60 million range.
BARTON: $60 million for the contractors?
FRIEDMAN: No, $60 million for the feds.
BARTON: Oh, that’s paltry.
FRIEDMAN: Compared to the contractors. Let me be clear about that.
BARTON: Okay, if $60 million’s paltry, you’re saying the contractors spend several hundred million on travel?
FRIEDMAN: I don’t have that analysis. I would suspect several hundred million is an understatement.
BARTON: Can you get it?
FRIEDMAN: I cannot get it easily, no.
BARTON: Mr. Johns could get it. Will you get it and provide it to the members of the committee on both sides of the aisle?
JOHNS: Yes, sir.
Rep. Barton grilled the DOE’s budget director over the size of its vehicle fleet and demanded to know its exact size. Johns responded by saying the DOE’s goal is to reduce its fleet by 35 percent — but he refused to say exactly how big that fleet was.
“Don’t play games,” Rep. Barton said.
“Sir, I assure you I am not playing games,” Johns responded.
The Texas rep tried a few more times to get a hard number out of Johns but received the same answer each time.
“I don’t normally ask civil servants to resign but if you really don’t know a general answer to my question about the number of vehicles, and you’re the budget officer, that’s inexcusable,” a frustrated Rep. Barton said.
“I‘m sorry I didn’t know the number but my job is to review the overall budget request,” Johns explained.
Watch the exchange between Rep. Barton and Johns (via GOP.com):
It wasn’t until the end of the hearing that Johns finally relented and testified that 15,108 vehicles are currently in the department’s fleet, Medill Washington reports.
But that’s not just passenger cars, Johns explained. That figure also includes “highly technical equipment such as the trucks the department uses to transfer nuclear material,” the Medill Washington report adds.
“It’s not just a matter of everyone in DOE gets a car,” Johns said. “I can assure you I have not been given a car by the department.”
DOE officials say their goal is to cut the fleet down to 9,484 vehicles in 2013.
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Comments (185)
Apple Bite
Posted on April 19, 2012 at 2:12am“DOE officials say their goal is to cut the fleet down to 9,484 vehicles in 2013…”
How about this: Drive your own damn personal cars and be reimbursed for the gas.
Report Post »Marci
Posted on April 19, 2012 at 4:45amNot only drive their own cars Apple, but if their commute doesn’t warrant mileage or gas, screw it. If it’s a trip, the same reimbursement an average citizen gets should be the amount.
Report Post »ianmc002
Posted on April 19, 2012 at 5:19amHow about this…
DRIVE YOUR OWN FNG CARS and NO reimbursement for gas to and from work?
I have worked in the private sector my whole life, and have NEVER been compensated for gas.
Reducing the ‘fleet’ to 9k is still .6 cars/person (60% chance a car will be ready for an INDIVIDUAL). CARPOOL
Report Post »RailRoadCar9
Posted on April 19, 2012 at 5:55amIn the Entire history of the DOE it has done nothing but act like a leech on the tax payer , DOE IS A COMPLETE FAILURE and should be demolished
Report Post »Tomfang
Posted on April 19, 2012 at 6:10am60 million divided by 15,000 is only $4,000 per car. Must be pretty crappy cars unless the 60 million number is really much higher.
Report Post »johnjamison
Posted on April 19, 2012 at 7:02amHow about just drive own car and be thankful you have a job.It;s not like they’re delievery pizzas they drive to an office and can pay for their own gas.vehicle and insurance like everyone else.
Report Post »lel2007
Posted on April 19, 2012 at 7:21amDrive their own cars??
Report Post »I’ve got a better idea – eliminate the Dept. Of Energy. Government did not invent energy, its source, or the infrastructure that delivers it. The DOE is just another parasite sucking the life and money out of America. Once the DOE is gone I guarantee the lights will still come on in the morning.
disgustedandappalled
Posted on April 19, 2012 at 7:38amHave you ever tried to obtain a GOV from any agency? After nine miles of paperwork, training, etc., unless your GS-11 or above you don’t qualify. Which means that most of the vehicles are just sitting in a parking lot, unused. Further waste…..
Report Post »Unbelievable
Posted on April 19, 2012 at 7:53amNo wonder Sec. Chu doesn’t have a car.. We the taxpayer provides him with one!!
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on April 19, 2012 at 8:18amA Trillion Dollars is a Paltry Amount… compared to the Debt & the Federal Reserve Books. This is WRONG THINKING!
STOP SPENDING MONEY; TEA!
Report Post »IndyGuy
Posted on April 19, 2012 at 8:44amFor those of you calling for the elimination of DOE…Obama the Commie needs DOE to control the masses…And EPA and BLM and Forestry Service and IRS…Etc…Etc…
Report Post »jdtanker
Posted on April 19, 2012 at 9:34amYeah, I thought government workers were “public servants”. It looks like its the other way around. We the public sector are the servants. We have to buy our own cars, retirements, healthcare, etc. We have to end this crap soon!
Report Post »DesertRose1960
Posted on April 19, 2012 at 9:43amHow about you try reading what he actually said. Do you have any idea how hard it is to get access to a GovVe? I‘m in my 9th year in Civil Service and I haven’t ever had a GovVe assigned to me. And it is illegal to use a GovVe to commute to and from work. When I take classes, which I am required to do to retain my job, I don’t get reimbursed for anything because my home is a third of the distance from the military base where the classes are held than my office. GovVe’s are issued to people who need to go from their office to a meeting or an inspection or some other official function. If you use it to drive home and to work, you can be suspended or fined or fired.
This is the Department of Energy, they handle nuclear materials. They have special vehicles for that. The Civil Servants involved would have had to have driven to work in their own cars or taken public transport and checked out the vehicle with the property officer, It would be do back by the close of business, too.
You folks think you‘re so smart and that you have all the answers but you didn’t even hear the question. Glenn thinks that Federal workers are overpaid and that we should be forced to work for private companies. If I quit and went to work for a private company, I’d make 20,000-30,000 more money. Who do you think pays for Government contractors? You do. We can’t put a soldier in the field today without them. Ask your Republican House about that? Reaganomics is corporate w
Report Post »ianmc002
Posted on April 19, 2012 at 9:44amlel2007
I stand corrected…thank you for shaking me back into reality.
Report Post »drbage
Posted on April 19, 2012 at 9:46am@TOMFANG: that $4000/yr is the operational costs–the vehicle price falls under another category.
Report Post »Good thing for Mr. Johns that this testimony wasn‘t in front of Don’t Call Me Anything, but Senator Boxer when he referred to Rep. Barton as Mr. Barton!
Is it me or did Mr. Friedman lie to Rep. Barton? He had no idea how many vehicles at the start of the questioning and then voila he pulled an exact number out of the air?
I wonder if Warren Buffett’s secretary is provided with a car or do you have to work for the govt to get your own car? So, work for the govt, get twice the salary as the average, newly Obama adopted middle class citizen, at least double the benefits, and as per “Foot in His Mouth” Biden you don’t have to work…and they just can‘t understand why the American taxpayers aren’t buying their narrative.
IndyGuy
Posted on April 19, 2012 at 9:53am@DesertRose1960…….Cry me a river…If you worked in the Private Sector you would be paying for your own retirement(And it wouldn’t be at nearly 100%)and benifits and NOT US the Taxpayers…
Report Post »Ruler4You
Posted on April 19, 2012 at 9:59amYou see, in my estimation, this “IS” the perfect proving ground for ‘electric’ vehicles. Government fleet vehicles. After all Government Motors and the Government are in partnership.
Rid government fleets of normal gas and diesel fueled vehicles and and buy electric cars. And over a ten year period use the ‘data’ of ‘viability’ to sustain a plan that would support (or decry) a wide(er) spread infrastructure built for them.
But we don’t use “science” and intelligence any more. We use FORCE of government on industry it controls via a host of levers.
Report Post »jdtanker
Posted on April 19, 2012 at 10:10am@DesertRose1960 Then quit your government job and go make more money. Oh, and we are smart. I see government cars parked at houses all the time. Shut up!
Report Post »CORRUPTION
Posted on April 19, 2012 at 10:13amI got one better, dismantle the DOE. There is no need for it.
Report Post »jdtanker
Posted on April 19, 2012 at 10:22amGet rid of the Dept. of Education while we are at it. Worthless! Any more Departments?
Report Post »Treaty
Posted on April 19, 2012 at 10:27amThe Democrats will tell you that the DOE is already running efficiently and there’s no room for cuts.
Report Post »davuf
Posted on April 19, 2012 at 10:29amWhat exactly falls under this budget? Does air travel for DOE personnel fall under this? Government gets the most expensive air tickets you can imagine. Do reimbursements for employees fall in this category when they use their personal vehicle for government buisness? Or is the budget merely maintenance and fuel of the vehicles? Does it cover replacement costs for new vehicles in the fleet?
Report Post »JRook
Posted on April 19, 2012 at 11:06amOf course as attempted by this report the real issue is how much the private company contractors are billing the federal government for their travel. The notion the private contractors are more efficient than the agency is a flawed assumption. Usually such analysis looks at the cost of the work performed by the private contractors, not what they billed or were paid. And what is honorable about private contractors billing the same or more than the agency used to spend on the function, paying their workers substandard wages and reaping huge profits. That is not good business, it is a redistribution of wealth from the tax payer to the executives and wealthy investors of the private contractors. Many of which come from congress and/or supported congress with donations. Good example is Blackwater and the absurd amount of money being paid for their personnel to do the same functions a arm forces member would be doing for $25,000 a year. Wake up people and follow the money.
Report Post »Detroit paperboy
Posted on April 19, 2012 at 11:07amOur Founders Warned US ABOUT THIS……. Are we to lazy to fight for our children……
Report Post »YtownSports
Posted on April 19, 2012 at 11:08amI don’t get reimbursed for driving my car to work. How about reducing the fleet to essentially “technical equipment” and making certain any other department vehicles are “green” vehicles like the administration keeps pushing on the rest of us. Practice what you preach!
Report Post »blackhawk132
Posted on April 19, 2012 at 3:44pmWhat did you expect from Obama’s lackies. Arrogence starts from the top and do-do flows downhill
Report Post »gordonknapp
Posted on April 19, 2012 at 4:02pmBest comment!
Report Post »Wu Ming Ren
Posted on April 19, 2012 at 4:26pmRuler for You, the idea of testing electric vehicles for merit in government fleets has no merit. If a company that has to turn a profit to stay in business did the testing and discovered (without surprise) that they cost too much to service and operate in the long run, not to mention performance and dependability (thinking of frozen U.S. northlands here), then maybe the results would be real. As for government operations, there is no such thing as a program that costs too much.
Report Post »imsteph
Posted on April 19, 2012 at 7:22pmthen what will they do with all those chevy volts they purchased?
Report Post »SHOWMESTATEGUY
Posted on April 19, 2012 at 1:19amFriedman, liberal jew?
Report Post »nelbert
Posted on April 19, 2012 at 6:03am@SHOWMESTATEGUY
And Ben Stein and Mark Levin are conservative Jews.
So what is the point behind your Anti-Semitic remark?
Report Post »I.Gaspar
Posted on April 19, 2012 at 7:24am@showmestateguy:
Report Post »Showmestateguy, a-hole?
Viper1
Posted on April 19, 2012 at 8:27am@nelbert
Report Post »Ben Stein and Marc Levine aren‘t driving GOVERNMENT vehicles and they aren’t being reimbursed for mileage. PAY ATTENTION!
Wu Ming Ren
Posted on April 19, 2012 at 4:32pmStill, the comment is anti-Semitic, and it does nothing to inform or educate the readers.
Report Post »asybot12
Posted on April 19, 2012 at 1:09amtake a look at the picture the arrogance and the smugness on the Hon. (spelled incorrectly without the period BTW) guys face they really think they are untouchable . Remove all of them including the Dept. of Education the feds etc.! Give the powers back to the States and as far as I can see they would be better of being UN-UNITED!!
Report Post »wboehmer
Posted on April 19, 2012 at 6:28amThe arrogance you point out is the culture for these “public servants.”
How dare Congress ask them these questions!
An inspector general is responsible for ensuring that a government agency uses funds appropriately and operates honestly.
Energy Inspector General Greg Friedman should be fired because his attitude is not going to change. With his resume & age, let him try to find employment in the private sector where concern about “paltry” $60M costs is part of the job.
Report Post »Nursenevada
Posted on April 19, 2012 at 9:21amThe media won‘t even hold the usurper in our whitehouse’s feet to the fire for using a false social security number. What makes you think they will be willing to go any further with this? We need to clean house everyone. Please don’t be silent to people you know. Everyone I talk to knows nothing about what this government is doing to us. They are too busy trying to keep afloat. They are all in healthcare and working 14 hour shifts, most with 2 jobs. They don’t even bother to watch the news much less read. Can someone help put together a plan of action to reach health care workers. The unions are the only ones they hear from and they are brainwashing them.
Report Post »South Philly Boy
Posted on April 19, 2012 at 12:43amFed Govt gets TOO MUCH MONEY.
Report Post »Just in time
Posted on April 19, 2012 at 6:59amSouth Philly, thats what I’ve been saying too. The govt. is getting more than their fair share of taxes
Report Post »Amma K
Posted on April 19, 2012 at 10:46amBy saying that $60 Million is a paltry amount shows exactly the problem. While $60 million in one dept. might seem paltry – if you add the waste/excessive spending in ALL the dept. of the government you would have a substantial amount of money!! As stated, the spending is the problem!!!!
Report Post »Wu Ming Ren
Posted on April 19, 2012 at 4:36pmYes, Amma K, that is the problem. How many times have you heard liberals exclaim that a new program won’t cost much … only a penny out of a dollar per taxpayer. The problem is that we have hundreds of such programs. Added up, these programs take more pennies per dollar than there are pennies in a dollar.
Report Post »spirited
Posted on April 19, 2012 at 12:35amIs this a sample of why there has been no budget ?
>The cat is coming out of the bag.
Report Post »pamela kay
Posted on April 19, 2012 at 2:59amSPIRITED, Oooooooh and right before an election. I am sure there will be a way to smooth this over. They ALWAYS have their backs covered.
Report Post »Bill Rowland
Posted on April 19, 2012 at 7:56amHas it occured to anyone that this is another of Sweet Old Baracks distractions?
Lots of little tempests to draw attention away from the real issues. They just seem to be popping up right and left. Mrs Romney never working, contreception furnished by churches, the SS scandal, all the little storms that people keep discussiing and ignoring unemployment the high cost of energy the DOE Outlawing coal fired generators, etc.
Remember WATCH THE OTHER HAND!!!
OMG 2012
Report Post »spirited
Posted on April 19, 2012 at 12:23amCandidate Barack Obama said that as president he’d “go line item by line item” to cust spending.
So, what has President Barack Obama been doing for the last three years?
>Hmmm, That sounds like it could be a Mitt Romney campaign ad.
Sound bites of various Committee meetings to be included.
with footage of President Obama:
speaking from behind a podium in front of “Yes We Can” banner
waving,
shaking hands with folks,
walking with his family, smiling… holding his eldest daughter’s hand,
speaking from behind a podium
bowing,
walking with his family holding his eldest daughter’s hand,
golfing,
speaking from behind a podium,
jogging,
speaking from behind a podium,
speaking from behind a podium,
running up and down the steps of Airforce One,
walking with his family holding his eldest daughter’s hand,
shaking hands with folks
>Scolding America, blaming Bush and vacations ~~~~~~ to be inserted~~~~> a lot.
Report Post »USAMEDIC3008
Posted on April 19, 2012 at 12:37amHow many lines can he do in a day
Report Post »SHOWMESTATEGUY
Posted on April 19, 2012 at 12:51amThere does come a point in time when you stop holding the hand of your daughter in public.
Report Post »Arfmoogle
Posted on April 19, 2012 at 8:36amI loved the MAD Magazine cover with Alfred E. Obama on it. He was holding a bumper sticker that read, “Yes we can’t.”
God help us.
Report Post »TeslanEdison
Posted on April 19, 2012 at 12:18amA car for every person in the DOE is fine for me, so long as they are being used to help research being done at the Idaho National Laboratories. It’s actually an excellent idea!
Report Post »Macsback
Posted on April 19, 2012 at 12:13amIt’s amazing to me that this idiot would dare show up at a congressional hearing without these facts. I also hear that they’re pondering whether or not to press criminal charges against someone. Pondering!? What kind of morons are up there in D.C. pondering!? Let me help you decide. YES!!!! You file criminal charges against Neely and work your way down through the ranks and get all who were responsible for planning and organizing this theft from the American taxpayers. And then you confiscate everything you can prove they obtained with taxpayers monies. Up to and including any and all souvenirs bought with the American taxpayers money. nuf said…
Report Post »IDONTTHINKSO
Posted on April 18, 2012 at 11:57pmA few other good question’s would be how many of them get and how much travel allowance or they receiving, also? Do they all have their own gas credit card? Do they get paid for mileage? Do they get to take the cars home? With all the on the side gimmicks they could be using, it helps you to understand why $60 million is paltry!
Report Post »cous1933
Posted on April 18, 2012 at 11:51pmOnly one Republican candidate promised to eliminate this wasteful and unnecessary government department (as well as four other bloated departments), and that candidate is not Mitt Romney. Any guesses on who it could be? Here’s a hint. He’s also the only candidate who strictly adheres to the US Constitution and the only candidate who wants to end the criminal cartel known as the Federal Reserve.
Report Post »I personally believe that Romney supporters have little room to complain about this sort of big government corruption when it will absolutely continue under their candidates administration.
spirited
Posted on April 19, 2012 at 12:28amNow, how about the EPA ?
$^> Next
Report Post »leftcoastslut
Posted on April 19, 2012 at 8:17amI have a relative who works for the EPA. She is in her 70′s, and is considered a private contractor. She says the money is too good to retire…. travels the world…
Report Post »SHOWMESTATEGUY
Posted on April 18, 2012 at 11:51pmSeems like if the figure is less than a trillon dollars the Democrats think its a paltry sum. Please Lord, help our country eventhough we will not help ourselves.
Vote Democratic, Vote Destruction of the country.
Report Post »fmadsen
Posted on April 18, 2012 at 11:48pmKeep the cars and cut the people to 9,000. That will save a lot more…….or just cut DOE completely, that will save a boat load of cash. I wonder how many Volts they have purchased?
Report Post »idarusskie
Posted on April 19, 2012 at 1:10amWhich DOE? The department of energy or the department of education? The department of energy has a lot of contractors which use government cars. some are owned by DOE some owned by GSA. You have a mechanic using a truck to do his job or a manger using a car to drive from town to a remote job site rather then drive his own and charge the mileage off.
Report Post »pamela kay
Posted on April 19, 2012 at 3:04amFMADSEN, wonder what the total “Carbon Footprint” of this group is? Add Panettas, Pelosie,the Obamas, AND ALL OF THEM. And they are perfectly comfortable insisting that we cut back. I hear those VOLTS aren’t much either.
Report Post »DenisWTexas
Posted on April 18, 2012 at 11:32pmProbably not. They’re all so arrogant, that the other agencies are probably planning their Vegas parties and sticking wads of our cash in their ears and thumbing their noses at us in their own music videos.
And they’ll keep doing that until a bloody revolution starts, then they’ll have the nerve to look surprised.
Report Post »lassiegirldawn
Posted on April 18, 2012 at 11:18pmHold the people down and give them just enough to think they can rise, this is the only way those pigs can justify what they are doing. People are only a means for them to get their agenda and pockets lined. They are all corrupt and need to be taken down, from the small city level to the white house level.
Report Post »Anamah
Posted on April 18, 2012 at 11:59pmSo now, we have a serious parasite infestation!!!
Report Post »seeker9
Posted on April 18, 2012 at 11:08pmWhat else does any one expect? In the era of trillion dollar budgets, tens of millions are just a rounding error. The US is ripe for rampant corruption.
Report Post »seeker9
Posted on April 18, 2012 at 11:36pmAre you listening OWS/MediaMatters/Color of Change? Corporate greed is just a scratch compared to government greed. Are you sure you want giant government? Or do you just figure it’s a good time to loot the taxpayer?
Report Post »jspec33
Posted on April 18, 2012 at 11:04pmI have an idea just abolish the whole department. We were fine without it before 1977 and wasn’t the goal to reduce our energy independence? Guess that didn’t work so abolish it. It’s real simple.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on April 18, 2012 at 11:35pmI agree with you 100%
What I would like to know is, what exactly is their purpose now that they have failed so completely at the task they were created for?
Report Post »blackyb
Posted on April 18, 2012 at 11:03pmIf it is so paltry, then why are we having to pay for it? Let them individually pay for a part of it. A good part of it is obviously not necessary. They take their budgets at certain times of the year and there had better be none left over or it will cut the next time because it would appear they did not need it. So they all try to spend all of it and act like they need even more every year. The whole thing is out of hand.
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on April 18, 2012 at 11:00pmMore government spin, lies and denials while admitting they have no clue – for the Dept of Energy, past time to clean house and shut them down once and for all. They see the 60 Million, plus whatever more in the potential hundreds of millions of the contractors, as insignificant due to the main fact:
ITS NOT THEIR MONEY!
Fire them all!!!
Report Post »mckeand09
Posted on April 18, 2012 at 10:56pm$60 million is a fart in the wind for government bureaucracies.
Report Post »82dAirborne
Posted on April 18, 2012 at 10:53pmWell then “paltry” me!! What an idiot.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on April 18, 2012 at 10:53pmTime to cut all this WASTE from the top down … with people who have no respect for money OR the taxpayer at the top they must go .. then cut out departments which overlap with others and those that have no useful purpose (that would get rid of most) …no need to raise taxes ON ANYONE .. what we need is less government …
Report Post »82dAirborne
Posted on April 18, 2012 at 11:08pmAmen.
Report Post »bigdaddyt46
Posted on April 19, 2012 at 8:44amast far as i’m concerned cat if it has the department of in front of it get rid of it
Report Post »aChameleon
Posted on April 18, 2012 at 10:52pmB-b-b-b-b-b-but, b-b-b-b-b-b-b-but, b-b-b-b-b-b-b-but
Report Post »gmoss
Posted on April 18, 2012 at 10:52pmWe’re not going to stop this govt by just the ballot box, prayer or protest. This country needs a reset that our founders gave us. How many letters, emails, phone calls and polls have our politicians received and this progressive movement keeps moving forward held up by both sides of the aisle. I am tired of paying for others parties and full pay fully funded retirements.
Report Post »blackyb
Posted on April 18, 2012 at 11:09pmLook at those teachers who are put on leave and have to be paid while they are doing something else. All of it is a power grab. They are breaking the finances of America, dividing her people, causing a loss of morale in the services, destroying freedoms in ownership, religion, and movement and communication, dumbing down and indoctrinating the youth, and promoting sodomy and filth, inciting riots. What else have they have to do to wake those congressmen up to do something and get that ursurper out of our White House? Who is running this country? Where are the other two branches of Government. They need to act.
Report Post »HorseCrazy
Posted on April 18, 2012 at 10:52pmjust words zero faith any of this will change. this isn’t even a taste of what they do the general waste of taxpayer dollars is everywhere every dollar. its the politician’s reelection funds with bloated contracts for their donors, unqualified morons getting giant salaries to do nothing lost or stolen equipment dinners hotels unnecessary travel that can be done using skype or conference calls instead. so sick of it but it will never change unless we just start shutting these departments down
Report Post »Just in time
Posted on April 18, 2012 at 10:49pmThe DOE managers brains are paltry
Report Post »CatB
Posted on April 18, 2012 at 11:04pmSeems to be a government requirement. Just heard Obama has added 147,000 of these jack – a$$e$ since he has been in office.
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