‘Don’t Cross God’: See 1,000+ Christians & Veterans Defy Atheists’ Demands & Rally In Support of RI WWII Cross
- Posted on May 3, 2012 at 9:33am by
Billy Hallowell
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Massive rally in support of the Woonsocket, Rhode Island, WWI and WWII memorial (Image Credit: WPRO)
On Wednesday, American flags were ferociously waving and patriotic songs rang out, as Christians, veterans and other supporters of an embattled WWI and WWII memorial in Woonsocket, Rhode Island, assembled in support of the structure.
Last week, The Blaze first reported about the secular Freedom From Religion Foundation’s (FFRF) demand that the monument, which includes a cross, be removed from public lands. In response, an estimated 1,500 people assembled against atheists’ demands and in support of the monument.
(Related: R.I. City May Battle Atheists In Court Over Christian CrossCommemorating WWI & WWII Vets)
The Chippewa Herald has more about the massive assembly that unfolded:
An estimated 1,500 people — many of them veterans — turned out Wednesday in the Rhode Island city of Woonsocket to defend a war memorial topped with a cross whose constitutionality is being challenged by an atheist group.
Speaking before a crowd of people bearing crosses of their own and signs including one that warned “Don’t Cross God,” Mayor Leo Fontaine said he has a new resolve to fight to keep the monument where it is — on city property, in the parking lot of the fire department.
He and others stressed that the 1921 monument isn’t about religion, or forcing it on anyone, but rather honoring four local residents killed in World Wars I and II, including three brothers — Alexandre, Henri and Louis Gagne. He urged those in the crowd to donate to a legal defense fund the city has set up in case there is a legal challenge; firefighters canvassed the crowd seeking to fill their boots with contributions.
The scenes at yesterday’s event were reminiscent of the situation that unfolded last December in Athens, Texas, when the FFRF attempted to have a nativity scene removed from a courthouse lawn (more on that here). Five thousand Christians showed up to support the religious depiction.
Below, see clips from the Woonsicket event that were published by WPRO:
Here’s another clip that provides more footage of the rousing addresses that came from event organizers and participants:
The pro-cross rally, which lasted for more than an hour and a half, included patriotic music and a plethora of speakers who stood up for the cross’ presence. It was organized by Major Gen. Reginald Centracchio, who formerly headed the Rhode Island National Guard.
“That monument stays where it is, how it is,” Centracchio told the cheering crowd. ”There’s no negotiation.”
“If they move this one inch, they’ve caved in,” mirrored Tom Poole, who serves with the Rhode Island Patriot Guard, a motorcycle group that attends military funerals.
Massive rally in support of the Woonsocket, Rhode Island, WWI and WWII memorial (Image Credit: WPRO)
But atheists maintain that the cross must be relocated. Annie Laurie Gaylor, co-president of the FFRF, says that her group is devoted to fighting the cross, but that they are not currently preparing to take legal action. Gaylor suspects that the issue can be resolved without a long court battle.
“The law is on our side. We are not against veterans in any way. It isn’t necessary to honor veterans with a cross on public property,” she said in an interview with the Associated Press. “I think that reason is not prevailing right now. This is a lot of blowhards and emotion. Maybe they’ll get it out of their system.”
It seems the battle is far from over, as officials are less-than-willing to comply with secularists’ demands. The city of Woonsocket has setup a war memorial fund to collect monies if, indeed, a legal battle ensues.
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Abila
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 10:26amWhat the marxists in america are doing and the one world gov. demons-
Interview from an excommunist-how to brainwash a nation
http://newworldorder.dyndns-web.com/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=53
How to brainwash a nation.
Report Post »Here are the four steps:
Demoralization (immorality, basically getting everyone used to it, thinking it’s normal, and moral people are the bad folks)
Destabilization (of the economy, politics, etc.)
Crisis (caused by immorality and destabilization, which replaces the old government with a new controlling regime)
Normalization (as everyone gets used to the new regime)
Akridgerunner
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 11:27amYou’re 100% correct. We can only blame the misguided voters who elected our current Marxist president. His supporters are feeling empowered and emboldened and are coming out of their parents basements like plague-ridden rats and are bent on changing the world. We need to drive them back into their burrows where they belong.
Report Post »trv1
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 12:54pmHey, yeah, atheist libertarian here. Obviously there are some militant atheists out there, but a majority of them, like the majority of Christians or Muslims etc. don’t want any sort of conflict between the religious and non-religious. Here the atheists are just attempting to address the separation of church and state, which is an integral part of the US constitution, this nation was not founded on Christian values. Yes many of the founders affiliated with Christianity, but some including Thomas Jefferson were deists. The original motto of the United States was E. Pluribus Unum or One Out of Many, not In God We Trust which was adopted in 1954 because of the red scare. We no longer have to worry about communists in this country, stop thinking that it is even close to an issue. In the United States the founders aimed to create there wouldn‘t have to be any sort of protest like this because no one should care either way if you’re religious or not, it doesn’t affect them.
Man-On-A-Mission
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 1:26pmGorge Bush Sr….coined the phrase “New World” during one of his addresses to the nation. You have it all wrong. The very rich want to rule the world. Has nothing to do with Conservatives or Liberals. Wake up….they want us separated on wedge issues that really do not effect our everyday life. One world so called Government made of the very wealthy to rule the rest of us….quote from Bush……“ There will be a New World Order”.
Report Post »lordjosh
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 1:28pmAnnie Laurie Gaylor, co-president of the FFRF, says “The law is on our side…”
No it is not.
Report Post »ChiefGeorge
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 1:57pmYou are right!
The Demonic forces cannot make anyone do anything unless they of course give up their free will and willingly follow a lie. When people do that! You get a nation like Nazi Germany, Lenins Soviet Union, Pol Pots murderous regime, and a America thats beginning to look a lot like them all.
Report Post »bigpew
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 2:04pmTRV 1 – Where do you live? No threat for commies any more? We have one in the White House! Where McCarthy when we need him? He was right commie were in the state dept. back in the 40′s & 50′s. His only mistake was under estimating the power of hollywood which to this day is still filled with commies.
Report Post »TomP215
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 2:07pmAtheist libertarian here too. I say let them keep the cross and any relic that has a history. New religious relics should not be on government property but I’m apposed to rewriting history. Leave them to remind us how we were.
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 2:22pm@trv1 You’re absolutely wrong. Up until the 1950′s the Supreme Court NEVER used the phrase “separation of church and state” to get rid of religious references or content. They understood, as written in the Northwest Ordinance in 1787 that “Religion, morality and knowledge“ were ”necessary for good government”. The phrase “separation of church and state” is NOT an “integral” part of the US constitution. The phrase was used way out of context by liberal judges about 60 years ago. In their famous decision using that phrase, they never said anything else of the letter, nor quoted anything else by the founding fathers. They had NO historical support, by merely bias opinions. This was a radical and activist decision made by corrupt judges. Jefferson was a self described Christian. Although, he identified himself differently from organized religion. In 1883, the Illinois Supreme Court stated, in Richmond v. Moore, “Our laws and our institutions must necessarily be based upon and embody the teachings of the Redeemer of mankind. It is impossible that it should be otherwise. In this sense and to this extent, our civilizations and our institutions are emphatically Christian”. ALL fifty state constitutions acknowledge God, and that our blessings of civil and religious liberty come from him alone, not from men. As Benjamin Franklin declared, “Freedom is not a gift bestowed upon us by other men, but a right that belongs to us by the laws of God and nature.”
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 2:29pmOn Mary 27, 1854 the House delivered a report (the Senate report was very similar), responding to a group petitioning Congress to separate Christian principles from government:
“Had the people [the Founding Fathers], during the Revolution, had a suspicion of any attempt to war against Christianity, that Revolution would have been strangled in its cradle. At the time of the adoption of the Constitution and the amendments, the universal sentiment was that Christianity should be encouraged, but not any one sect [denomination]…. In this age, there is no substitute for Christianity…. That was the religion of the founders of the republic, and they expected it to remain the religion of their descendants.”
Two months later, the Judiciary Committee made this strong declaration:
“The great, vital, and conservative element in our system [the thing that holds our system together] is the believe of our people in the pure doctrines and divine truths of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.”
The first official act in the First Continental Congress was to open in Christian prayer, which ended in these words: “…the merits of Jesus Christ, Thy Son, our Savior. Amen”.
John Adams said, “The general principles on which the fathers achieved Independence were… the general principles of Christianity… I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that the general principles of Christianity are as etemal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God.”
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 2:38pmEvery Inaugural and Farewell Address made by Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Madison, ETC. mention God, and his protection over our nation. George Washington declared as President, “Whereas it is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favor; and Whereas both Houses of Congress have, by their joint committee, requested me to “recommend to the people of the United States a day of public thanksgiving and prayer, to be observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many and signal favors of Almighty God, especially by affording them an opportunity peaceably to establish a form of government for their safety and happiness…” http://wilstar.com/holidays/wash_thanks.html
In 1892 the Supreme Court stated, “No purpose of action against religion can be imputed to any legislation, state or national, because this is a religious people… This is a Christian nation.” This court went on to cite 87 precedents (prior actions, words, and rulings) to conclude that this was a “Christian nation”.
What many liberals and atheists fail to understand is that there is a difference between Church and Religion, that there is a difference between an Establishment of Religion and Religion.
Report Post »SavvyCowboy
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 2:53pm@ABILA – Wise words to heed and everyone reading your post should be alarmed because we are living the first 2 if not 3 right now in the U.S.
Be vigilant, beware, be armed, be ready.
Report Post »RedHarley
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 2:56pmTRV1. You cannot be serious. You state “the separation of church and state, which is an integral part of the US constitution” Really ??? Show me where that is exactly in the Constitution. It is not there.
No worry about communists ? Again….Really ?
Report Post »How many communists do you know personally ? Obama knows many. He was raised and mentored by them. That is undeniable. His mom was sent to Mercer Island High School ( the little RED school house ) by her parents, who moved to Mercer Island for that purpose. His mom and Barack Sr. both had a far left marxist bent, having met in a RUSSIAN language class (in the early 60′s ! ) His leftist “Gramps” introduced him to Frank Marshall Davis, a family friend (and a communist ) to help “mentor” young Barack. Valerie Jarrett’s father-in-law, Vernon Jarrett……yep, communist. Both of them friends of Thomas Ayers, Billy’s daddy. Barack goes to Chicago of all places ( where all of mentor “Frank’s” buddies are. After college he goes to work at the law firm used by Thomas Ayers. He becomes a member of the New Party in Chicago. David Axelrod’s parents were leftists who were involved with several groups tied to communists. Van Jones, hired by Obama and Jarret……..commie. And it goes on and on.
Move on………..nothing to see here…
SavvyCowboy
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 3:20pm@ABILA – You are right on the money however your link is broken/taken down (thanks barack). Here’s a link with the entire 75 min. interview broken down into 8-10 min clips:
http://5440fight.com/2012/01/26/how-to-brainwash-a-nation-former-kgb-agent-explains-subversive-marxist-strategy-unleashed-on-america/
The scary thing is this interview was done in 1985 people!!!!!!!! The hosts of this website say we are at #3 right now – I agree!!
Report Post »trv1
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 3:57pmI should clarify, the IDEA of separation of church and state is integral, no it is not explicitly stated in the Constitution but it is implied and to the guy posting SCOTUS cases you have to remember that Justices are not impartial and right-wing and left-wing agendas always have played a role into their decisions. To those who actually view communism as a threat in this country are just wrong, yes McCarthy did get it right with some of those he attacked and considering the context he was right in doing so considering the larger threat of communism during the Cold War Era. That era is over and with it being over you should realize that communism is an extremely ineffective form of government in practice that breeds corruption. China would currently be most peoples go to as an example of communism working. They run on a fragmented authoritarian regime which employs a free market economy that depends on the United States. Their main focus is economic growth, not expansion of communism across the world. Even still Marxism has never been fully adapted anywhere. Many of you are placing certain politicians far to left on the spectrum, you’re interpreting progressives as communists: they aren’t. Their goal is to have the government simply provide more services to its citizens. If you’re actually worried about an overpowered government look at the bills certain republicans are trying to pass that greatly infringe on your freedoms on the internet see CISPA and the failed SOPA.
Report Post »Red_Blooded_American
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 4:07pmThank you Colt1860! It is so good to hear that people still have a solid grasp on real American History, not just the B.S. that keeps getting rewritten and taught in schools. Overall your position on this “issue” is well written and you sir are clearly well read.
Thank you.
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 4:40pm“Civil Rights” placed into Law… Special Privileges for Minorities… and ever since, Minorities have Controlled the Majority and advocated for Suppression of the Majority!
Report Post »tradexpertbuysell
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 5:50pmStand together and defeat these ba$tards!
Report Post »From Virginia
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 6:03pm@TVR1 – No -This isn’t about the sepaation of church and state. This is about spitting on a grave. This is about disrupting teeny tiny little towns all across America and whizzing on their traditions. Period.
Report Post »Reesie
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 6:09pmTRVI: You need a history lesson from David Barton. You are wrong. Watch the movie “Monumental” and you’ll see how wrong you are.
America was most definitely built as a Judeo-Christian nation from the Puritans who came here to be able to read the Bible and worship the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit of the Bible onward. Our Founders were Judeo-Christians.
Read and see the facts:
http://www.wallbuilders.com/LIBissuesArticles.asp?cat=HD
http://www.wallbuilders.com/LIBdefault.asp
Report Post »From Virginia
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 6:43pmThese crosses on these memorials are not about religon, per se. They are grave makers.
When you see a cross on the side of the road you don’t think, EGAD! Somebody is trying to push their religion down my troat. NO! What flashes through your mind is, “BUMMER! Somebody DIED there!”
These crosses are ALL on memorials and are about honoring the dead in their own town. They are in almost every town in America because almost every town in America has given their sons and daughters in tims of war.
So, basically, what you atheists are doing is whizzing on someone’s grave. And then you wonder why these towns get so insulted and angry.
Report Post »Lucy Larue
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 6:43pmTRV1,
What a nonsensical twit you are. We no longer have to worry about COMMUNISM?
Is that because Russia and RED China are our BFFs?! UGH! UGH AGAIN!
TRV1….,
You are a FAUX intellectual. You have the wisdom of a mosquito.
Here is my opinion of you. You are no different than the MUSLIMS who remain silent while Islamofascists brutalize and bastardize the Muslim religion. They abet. You do the same thing. The agenda of the likes of the Freedom From Religion Foundation is orchestrated. There is an agenda.It is not a good one. You do not investigate. You have no curiosity.You just take your moral relativist stance.
You abet monsters like Annie Laurie Gaylor.
I am amazed by small minded people like you. You look upon a universe that truly does reach into infinity.What do you see? NOTHING…..
Tres tragique!
“We have met the enemy and HE is US” POGO
Report Post »seeks4truth
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 6:50pmPrayer is the answer. Resistance is what we must do. http://www.kimbishopresistance.com
Report Post »4blackhorses
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 7:11pmTheir plan becomes only more efficeint as the older generation dies away that knew what a “true” America really was.
Report Post »Jackers
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 7:20pmHooray for these American patriots!
It’s far past time that we all start standing up for our rights, our traditions, and our beliefs!
Our soldiers died for our freedoms; we must do our best to hang onto them… And since when does a tiny slice of society dictate what the rest of us can or cannot do or can or cannot say?
United we stand; Divided we fall.
Report Post »Wyldeflowyre
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 8:18pmTRV1- You are very mistaken about the threat of communism in this country today. And you are exactly correct about communism. Except you failed to mention that it isn’t just ineffective, it’s atrocious. Mao murdered something like 20 million people so that the rest would willingly submit to what is essentially slavery. Where I think you are getting stuck is the understanding that socialism is only a bait and switch for communism. The ‘progressive’ social programs that are being crammed down our throats are ‘grooming’ us to develop dependence upon authority for every aspect of life so we will forfeit our individual liberty. The way this country was founded we, the individual people, are the authority in our own lives. But for that to work we have to be a society that is strong, smart, and morally upright. Christianity is being marginalized and ridiculed in culture and public life because Christian values aren’t compatible with communist ideology. Christians can’t be good little communists because they answer to God not secular authority. If you dig a little deeper you will see that we have a ‘pay no attention to the man behind the curtain’ thing going on for the last 30 years or so about communism. It has changed it‘s face but it hasn’t given up it’s goals.
Report Post »AOL_REFUGEE
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 11:30pm“The majority rules.”
Well, kind of. But if so many of us have to put up with the POS we have for a POTUS, then atheists can live with crosses.
Besides, what will they want next, removal of the letter “t” from the alphabet?
Report Post »Shiroi Raion
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 2:13amAtheist Libertarian too… three :-)
Report Post »I stand with Christians on almost every issue! What will the secularists target next? Graveyard crosses? It’s long past time this nonsensical intolerance was stopped! Freedom of religion! The atheist activists’ attacks on memorials is especially repugnant.
Bruce P.
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 3:53amLUKERW — I’m curious. What special privileges are religious minorities getting again?
Or are you upset because you believe YOU have special privileges and don’t want to share them?
Report Post »P C BE DAMNED
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 8:18amWhats really creepy is these pictures are of common people who are really smarter than all the atheists sudo intellectuals. Not really creepy at all. Love ya common people.
Report Post »Mil-Dot
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 8:22amIt doesn’t matter what they do. They can protest all they want. In the end the govt will send in their goon squads, and yes they include white christains as well, and they will protect the vermin that remove the cross. All in exchange for their big paychecks and pensions. Yep, work 20 years, then you are set for life. Those guys. They don‘t give a rat’s ass about freedom. As long as they get theirs, to hell with the rest of us.
Report Post »binge_thinker
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 12:58pmLiberty Counsel Offers Woonsocket Pro-Bono Legal Assistance to Defend War Memorial
Woonsocket, RI – Liberty Counsel stands ready to defend Woonsocket, Rhode Island, against threats from the Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF), which takes issue with the 91-year-old war memorial located on Woonsocket Fire Department property, simply because it contains a cross.
“Freedom From Religion Foundation is on a crusade to scrub the public square of all religion,” said Mat Staver, Founder and Chairman of Liberty Counsel. FFRF currently has ten ongoing lawsuits. “The name says it all, ‘Freedom From Religion.’ They want no free exercise of religion at all. They are chipping away at our Christian heritage – one war memorial, one crèche display, one prayer proclamation at a time. With each intimidating letter, our religious liberty and Christian history are threatened.”
With tight budgets and no resources to fight a lawsuit, cities often give in to FFRF’s demands, allowing the further deterioration of our First Amendment rights. Liberty Counsel has offered the city of Woonsocket pro-bono legal assistance to fight this case.
Liberty Counsel is an international nonprofit, litigation, education, and policy organization dedicated to advancing religious freedom, the sanctity of life, and the family since 1989, by providing pro bono assistance and representation on these and related topics.
Report Post »http://www.lc.org/index.cfm?PID=14100&PRID=1185
barryswhitehalf
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 1:24pmThe U.S. Constitution and specifically the support for rugged individualism which is evident in the Bill of Rights, is the enemy of the atheist leftist.
Report Post »Do Not Panic All is Well
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 1:54pmThis is like one of those zombie movies where they keep coming out of the wood work. Liberal zombies.
Report Post »Cesium
Posted on May 5, 2012 at 3:51am@ TRADEX… Why can’t God defeat them? he defeats young innocent Christians with cancer all the time
Report Post »Abila
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 10:23amThese antigod morons misquote jefferson saying its the freedom from religion but jefferson wanted to keep the gov. out of the churches business. They keep lying but they serve the father of lies-satan.
Report Post »momrules
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 10:37amYes. You are correct.
Report Post »TruthisHealthy
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 11:17amBarry the anti-American treasonous MUSLIM fraud is a disgrace! Pure evil.
They are desperately TRYING to transform America into the 58th muslim state.
GOD BLESS AMERICA
Report Post »Vrilgesellschaft
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 11:20amThey (atheists) lie about everything. Most critically, they lie about being “moral”. If the State of Rhode Island, or the federal government of the US allows atheists (7 – 10% of the poulation) to dictate these matters, then perhaps we need a new revolution. After that, we won’t be worried about atheist claims again.
Report Post »DissenterKnight
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 11:59amYou’ve hit the nail on the head here. But, keep in mind that the Enemy is the same now as at creation. His tactics haven’t changed; lie and mislead. Those who called for Barabas when offered Christ were not evil, or at least no more evil than the rest of a fallen humanity; they were the pawns of the Master of Deception. “Forgive them, Father, they know not what they do”. The same applies to most, not all, but most, of those who advance the Adversary’s cause now. They don’t recognize the evil that they do for what it is.
We have to oppose them. We have to stand for the Constitution –to such degree as should ultimately prove required- but we have to do it with prayer on our lips and forgiveness and mercy in our hearts. Christ died for the man who drove the nails into His flesh as much as for anyone else. We must stand for what is right as much for those who oppose as as for ourselves and our children.
Report Post »trv1
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 1:05pmAbila, I am an atheist and I think what you’re saying is completely ridiculous. I don‘t serve Lucifer because I don’t believe he exists on any levels whatsoever. I also have no vendetta against the Christian God or any Gods of other religions throughout the world, that would be like you having a vendetta against the tooth fairy. Thomas Jefferson was a deist, and you’re right in saying that he believed the government should stay out the churches business, but religions also don’t have a place in government. They cloud judgment: have you heard of a country called Iran? Iran is government built on religion and it is extremely oppressive. When religion becomes involved in government these kinds of things happen. There should never, ever be any arguments over religion in the United States unless it actually begins to infringe on the rights on those who choose not to participate. Everyone in the United States should get over themselves and just not care what religion a person practices, it is not your business. I could care less if you’re a Christian, a Muslim, Hindu, or believe in the flying spaghetti monster, it doesn‘t matter to me and it shouldn’t matter to you that I’m an atheist.
Report Post »maccow
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 1:27pmWe need to start sending letters to the “FFRF” thanking them for giving us so many opportunities to stand up and be counted for our faith. Persecution and especially Martyrdom get the overcoming Christian a white robe and front row seating at the throne of God. So I say God bless the FFRF and keep bringing it.
Report Post »How many Christians have had more opportunity to witness for Christ because of these fools? Let them know.
The same goes for the atheists on this site. God bless them for giving us the opportunity to witness for Christ. Their foolishness in the name of REASON is an opportunity to show the true wisdom of God which is found in the fear and reverence of the Lord.
If you are feeling like you aren’t shining the light of Christ bright enough remember; The darker it becomes the less bright your light has to be to make a difference.
Its getting oh so dark outside.
ChiefGeorge
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 2:06pm@Dissenterknight,
I agree with most of what you’ve expressed. But factor this in as well! Jesus told the disciples don’t even the pagans know what is good, do they give their children a snake when they really need bread? This is because as he indicated, that the laws of God are written on all mens hearts. This means we know the difference between good and evil. Satan’s goal is to blur the lines and which through this deception we cast off what we know to be good and replace it with what Satan has told us will be better. We make the choice, we are destroyed through lack of knowledge but God knows who is wicked and who is truly in the category where Jesus says to forgive them for they know not what they do. They chose the criminal over Jesus who even Pilot said he could find no fault with . We chose out of our own willingness to accept evil as good all the while truly knowing we are wrong. This is the rebellous part of man, the narrow path for him is hard to find and the gate to destruction is wide and many will go there.
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 2:52pmThomas Jefferson said the all the following:
“The doctrines of Jesus are simple, and tend all to the happiness of man.”
“The practice of morality being necessary for the well being of society, He [God] has taken care to impress its precepts so indelibly on our hearts that they shall not be effaced by the subtleties of our brain. We all agree in the obligation of the moral principles of Jesus and nowhere will they be found delivered in greater purity than in His discourses.”
“I am a Christian in the only sense in which He wished anyone to be: sincerely attached to His doctrines in preference to all others.”
“I am a real Christian – that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus Christ.”
“God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the Gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever; That a revolution of the wheel of fortune, a change of situation, is among possible events; that it may become probable by Supernatural influence! The Almighty has no attribute which can take side with us in that event.”
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 2:56pm@TRV1 Patrick Henry said, “It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, NOT BY RELIGIONISTS, but by Christians; NOT ON RELIGIONS, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. FOR THIS VERY REASON peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here.”
Thomas Jefferson, said, “The older I grow and the more I read the Holy Scriptures, the more reverence I have for them and the more I am convinced that they are not only the people’s guide for the conduct of this life, but the foundation of our hope respecting the future state.” (Upper Room Bulletin, Vol. 3, 1916, p. 8.)
Thomas Jefferson said, in his second Inaugural Address (1805), “I shall need, too, the favor of that Being in whose hands we are, who led our fathers, as Israel of old, from their native land and planted them in a country flowing with all the necessaries and comforts of life; who has covered our infancy with His providence and our riper years with His wisdom and power, and to whose goodness I ask you to join in supplications with me that He will so enlighten the minds of your servants, guide their councils, and prosper their measures that whatsoever they do shall result in your good, and shall secure to you the peace, friendship, and approbation of all nations.”
Report Post »trv1
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 4:33pmColt, I am glad you can cherry pick quotes, everyone can do it. Should I start ripping out Bible quotes ’cause you know the book advocates the oppression of women and slavery and I hope you haven’t shaved your face or cut your hair. Jefferson resembles a deist more than a Christian if you look at his works and philosophies. Your education of the founding fathers has been clouded, you have to remember the context, the level of education involved, how much they did not know. Benjamin Franklin, whom many consider the true father of American political thought, was so racist that he thought GERMANS were not white enough to be part of the United States. You have to understand the founders developed their ideas in the late 1700s you need to understand how much the world has changed since then, they weren’t perfect, far from it. The ideas American exceptionalism and decline are coming into play here on an extreme level. I do find it hilarious that the majority, Christians, think they are being oppressed by those nonreligious and religious alike. Take a step back and look at the bigger picture. Government should be playing no roles in defining religion, only protecting religious freedom, and religion should be playing no role in government because throughout history whenever they mix it leads to oppression and conflict. Contemplate religion in the middle east, would the region be better off it it took a back seat in government?
Report Post »Wolf
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 5:11pmTRV- just because you don‘t believe Satan ixists does not mean he doesn’t. It’s pretty hard to meet someone traveling the same direction down the road you are.
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 5:19pm@trv1 LMAO! Why is that just about every atheist always resorts to making absurd notions by quoting certain statements in the bible, instead of actually substantially disqualifying what I actually posted?
You said, “Jefferson resembles a deist more than a Christian if you look at his works and philosophies.”
You can’t be serious. Jefferson was not Theist. Jefferson HIMSELF said HE WAS A CHRISTIAN. Granted, he distanced himself from organized religion, and detest the Popish religion, but that doesn’t disqualify him from being a Christian. I also do the same, and I’m a Christian.
This is why I keep saying these folks have a radical agenda. They ignore all historical evidence, and only use OPINIONS to support their revised history.
I don’t mean to personally attack you here, and I mean no disrespect, but all that you said is irrelevant to the issue, and doesn’t refute anything I actually posted. Your questions or assertions could go on for a million years. There would be no end to such a discussion, if an every attempt to provide historical support, you bring in a new topic, to ignore, sidestep or diminish the previous one introduced.
You’re mixing religion with ecclesiastical institutions, churches, and actual establishments. These latter entities may pertain to religion, but it is not explicitly religion, or definitive of religion in general. Which is why the first amendment does not solely say Religion, but Establishment of Religion.
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 5:30pmMy main concern is the loss, distortion, and manipulation of our history and heritage, mostly perpetuated by the Left, in order to advance or implement a Marxist (Godless) agenda, though our history is rich in the belief in a higher power. It’s one thing for leftists to want their positions or ideas to be accepted or adopted within our Government or society, in order to legitimately change or progress according to the world we live in today, BUT it’s another to by deception, revisionism, indoctrination and infiltration, force their agenda upon a populace whose history is one against such radical change. Jefferson wrote in a 1802 letter that he did not want his administration to be a “government without religion,” but one that would “strengthen… religious freedom.”
Jefferson said in his first Inaugural Address, “enlightened by a benign religion, professed, indeed, and practiced in various forms, yet all of them inculcating honesty, truth, temperance, gratitude, and the love of man; acknowledging and adoring an overruling Providence, which by all its dispensations proves that it delights in the happiness of man here and his greater happiness hereafter – with all these blessings, what more is necessary to make us a happy and a prosperous people?”
Washington said, in his Farewell Address, “With slight shades of difference, you have the same religion, manners, habits, and political principles.”
Without a doubt, they meant here the Christian religion.
Report Post »From Virginia
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 6:12pm@TVR1 – Yes – you do seve the devil. You may not think you are – but you are.
You talk about separation of church and state. This is a lie – it’s not in the Constitution. CONGRESS shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.
I don’t see Congress establishing any religion here.
Report Post »Lucy Larue
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 8:35pmABILA,
Merci. You are exact!
Vox Populi Vox Dei. We are awake!
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 11:28pmSweet, my turn Colt!
“The whole history of these books [the Gospels] is so defective and doubtful that it seems vain to attempt minute enquiry into it: and such tricks have been played with their text, and with the texts of other books relating to them, that we have a right, from that cause, to entertain much doubt what parts of them are genuine. In the New Testament there is internal evidence that parts of it have proceeded from an extraordinary man; and that other parts are of the fabric of very inferior minds. It is as easy to separate those parts, as to pick out diamonds from dunghills.”
Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814
Among the sayings and discourses imputed to him [Jesus] by his biographers, I find many passages of fine imagination, correct morality, and of the most lovely benevolence; and others again of so much ignorance, so much absurdity, so much untruth, charlatanism, and imposture, as to pronounce it impossible that such contradictions should have proceeded from the same being.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Short, April 13, 1820
Both sides try to use Thomas Jefferson to prove their argument. Fact is, he was personally a spiritual man that believed in a God and believed Jesus had many great teachings. He also thought a lot of the teachings were absolutely bogus and complete hocus pocus.
Report Post »DissenterKnight
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 12:54am@ChiefGeorge
I had written this well-reasoned homily on what I perceived as the difference between our two positions, but then it occurred to me just how minor that difference is. There are points I would contest and points I would concede; but in the end the differences are pretty much a fine explanation as to why there are a dozen or so dogmatic sets (denominations) within the protestant community.
That said, would you agree that while most of us know the difference between good and evil, the choice we make when we chose evil is one that is in keeping with our nature? Would you agree that we chose evil in part because of the temptations placed in our path –the deceptions of the enemy- and in part because it comes naturally to us. Would you agree that even those who know Grace –and thus can be said to clearly know the difference between good and evil- are still fallen and prone to error and poor choices. We tend toward evil. We can be led astray not only by our own darker impulses but by the machinations of an Adversary –a roaring lion- bent on the ruination of the world.
Would you agree that while we are thus personally responsible for the choice, the Adversary, as you suggested, “blurs the line”. And to that end, some never truly understand their choices. And because there are those counted among the opposition who do not understand the truth of their actions, our opposition must be firm, steadfast and unyielding, yet, merciful and in Christian love.
Report Post »barryswhitehalf
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 1:27pmAny religion or religious person who believes or teaches in the risen Lord Jesus Christ is the enemy of atheistic Marxism and must be oppressed.
Report Post »capnbrit
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 10:22amI am so tired of the whining! Shut up and move if it that offensive.
Report Post »TXMD
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 10:42amBig difference between “whining” and standing up to assaults on one’s rights. If there were no such difference we should have told England, France, Poland, Belgium, Netherlands, Denmark, and all the other countries invaded by Nazi Germany to stop their “whining” and go. With that attitude there will be no place left to GO!. Then again, you either know this anyway, or unfortunately were never taught it in whatever schooling you were exposed to in your formative and later years.
Report Post »liesnomore
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 10:58amOh, so if someone is offended everyone should bow to the whim of the offended no matter how few they may be. But what of the people who are offended by the whim of the few. Does thier “offense” not matter? My guess for you is that as long as it advaces some left wing agenda it should be done. I bet when the church was “offended” by Obama’s decree that they should pay for contraception your resonse was “Too bad- just shut up and do it!”- Do those blinders give you a headache? Try again.
Report Post »DarkWolf
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 12:52pmAnd how many of those atheists actually live in the town? and how many are vets? Yes if the atheists are offended, they are free to leave. The government is giving to much power to a minority of idiots.
Report Post »toomuchgovt
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 12:56pmYeah I really wish those ows(ers) would “shut up” and just go to work. Any job is better than no job. Their “freedom of speech” is a lot of “blowhards” and infringes on my rights. I also would like separation from UNIONS (a religion to leftist) and our Children. As the sign says “stop distorting the U.S. Constitution”.
Report Post »mtcountrygrl
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 2:56pmHow about all the crosses at Arlington National Cemetery. Those are on Federal land, should we just shut up and move them.
Report Post »Abila
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 10:19amObama is a christian hater thug marxist.
the european marxists used the term forward in their speeches like obama does
http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2012/apr/30/new-obama-slogan-has-long-ties-marxism-socialism/
http://reviesramblings.blogtownhall.com/2012/05/01/forward_is_the_new_obama_campaign_buzzword.thtml
Faith based farce
http://www.onenewsnow.com/Politics/Default.aspx?id=1553262
A christian hater
http://www.wallbuilders.com/LIBissuesArticles.asp?id=106938
http://frontpagemag.com/2012/04/26/food-stamp-nation/
Loves muslim brotherhood
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/want-to-know-just-how-close-the-muslim-brotherhood-is-to-the-obama-admin/comment-page-8/#comment-3300734
So the wicked are coming out of the wood.
Report Post »FoxholeAtheist
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 10:32amI’m just using your Bible to make a point, not saying it exists except in your own minds. Your god wants you to take everything on faith. In other words, it wants you to be gullible, choad. “Trust and obey”. That’s its motto. Don’t ask questions. Don‘t eat from the ’tree of knowledge’. Take it on faith. Don’t worry about evidence, choad.
Report Post »barryswhitehalf
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 1:32pmFoxy, It takes a level of arrogance and hubris that I can’t even fathom to perpetrate the masquerade you’ve put on. And then, on top of that, the audacity to challenge and mock those who DO KNOW.
Report Post »It says much more about what you don’t know, than what you actually believe you do.
KingJames1611
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 10:17am24 Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded;
25 But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof:
26 I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh;
27 When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you.
28 Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me:
29 For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the LORD:
30 They would none of my counsel: they despised all my reproof.
31 Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way, and be filled with their own devices.
32 For the turning away of the simple shall slay them, and the prosperity of fools shall destroy them.
33 But whoso hearkeneth unto me shall dwell safely, and shall be quiet from fear of evil.
Proverbs Ch 1
Report Post »I don’t care what those “atheists” say, they believe in something, and one day they’ll be sorry they forsook that old rugged cross. May God turn thier hearts to Him.
FoxholeAtheist
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 10:58amThe only one who hates knowledge is your god.
Report Post »KingJames1611
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 11:18am2 Corinthians 4:4
Report Post »In whom the god of this world hath BLINDED the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
mycomet123
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 11:32amThese passages your quoting is being spoken to the “believer’s” who refuse to follow God, not to the atheists who don’t believe in God.
Report Post »biggreenboo
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 11:34amWell done FOX… You just admitted God has emotions… and as such he does exist.
Good job… now back to your hole choad!!!
Report Post »KingJames1611
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 11:52am3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
If you read the verse before that, I don‘t understand how you could say Paul isn’t addressing atheists(or any other non-believer). Are not atheists lost, right along with everyone else who rejects the blood of Christ? Believers who don’t follow God are never lost, they’re backslidden, but thier salvation was sealed from the time they trusted Christ, and it can never be lost or plucked away.
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 3:02pmOr, as Thomas Jefferson said, “God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the Gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever; That a revolution of the wheel of fortune, a change of situation, is among possible events; that it may become probable by Supernatural influence! The Almighty has no attribute which can take side with us in that event.” Notes on the State of Virginia (Philadelphia: Matthew Carey, 1794), Query XVIII, p. 237.
Or, as John Adams said, “We have no government, armed with power, capable of contending with human passions, unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge and licentiousness would break the strongest cords of our Constitution, as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”
Or, as John Hancock proclaimed, “Resistance to tyranny becomes the Christian and social duty of each individual… Continue steadfast and, with a proper sense of your dependence on God, nobly defend those rights which heaven gave, and no man ought to take from us.”
Report Post »mycomet123
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 5:54pm@KINGJAMES1611, First off, the only thing different from a christian versus an athesist is that the christian has been saved by grace THROUGH FAITH. We are saved by the blood of the lamb BUT after having accepted Jesus as our Lord we continue to sin (for example, the Bible clearly states that homosexuality is a sin, but if a christian “doesn’t believe that interpretation” of the Bible because it doesn’t fit into their lifestyle) –what sacrifice of sin is left. Hebrews 10:26-27 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice fro sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgement and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. This type of christian is not backsliden but LOST because they refuse to call sin a sin!
Report Post »usmc1063
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 10:16amThese athiest seem to like to pick on the small communities whose coffers are near empty.Why because they don’t dare fight on and equal plain. The know simply that if they can get a law passed then even the stronger whould have to abide by it. So what they do is to come in to force the hand of the weak. Well the so called weak in this case aren’t so week after all and they are going to take the fight to them. It’s about time that we as a nation of Christians stand up tall for our rights. Because when we do no-one can and will defeat us. Will the real America stand up and take our Republic back and let these vermin crawl back into the holes they came out of.
Report Post »FoxholeAtheist
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 10:39amYou have nothing but rights in this country.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 12:01pmNo Fox,
Unfortunately, we are saddled with more than our fair share of “lefts”
Report Post »ferggie
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 12:54pmFox
Report Post »You do NOT have the right to NOT be offended. Atheists are nothing but a group of weak little trolls that pick on little communities that will cave only because they lack the funds to fight. What this country needs is tort reform that allows the Judge to impose “loser pays” at his discretion. That way the people can stick it to the POS’S like yourself when all said and done. Read the first amendment, no law was pasted forcing any religion on individuals by placing a cross on public land. It was a statement (freedom of speech) made by the original members of the city in 1921. Don’t try and pull that BS, “separation of church and state” because it is NOT IN THE CONSTITUTION (read it).
Cemoto78
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 1:00pmThey have learned this tactic from the ACLU, which is most likely representing them anyway.
Report Post »ReddirtOkie
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 3:01pmThe message to the Freedom From Religion group whould be this. We will NOT remove the cross. If the court says to remove it the response will be the same. We will NOT remove the cross. If they want to bankrupt the city, the city will NOT pay. If their attorneys want money, the city will NOT pay. Whatever legal challenges the idiots win, we will NOT comply. The cross stays,, period. As a vet any tribute to my fallen breathen will stand. If the atheist don’t like it they can go to hell.
Report Post »Bruce P.
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 3:57amUSMC — what you wish is a tyranny of the majority, wherein the minority has no rights. The minority has ever right that the majority does (to your eternal aggravation, I know…) and can exercise them, just as the majority can.
Report Post »Bruce P.
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 4:06amFERGGIE — we have read the Constitution. It is right there in the First Amendment, “Congress shall make no laws respecting the establishment of a religion.”
That there is a wall of separation is not something created in the modern era, as some of those ignorant of history have said, but comes from Thomas Jefferson himself, showing the true intention of the First Amendment. In a letter to the Danbury Baptist Association, Jefferson states, “I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should ‘make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,’ thus building a wall of separation between Church and State.”
John Adams stated, “Strongly guarded as is the separation between Religion & Govt in the Constitution of the United States…“ and ”ractical distinction between Religion and Civil Government is essential to the purity of both, and as guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States.”
Report Post »barryswhitehalf
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 1:38pmPoor Brucie,
For all your posturing on the establishment clause, you atheists seem to have very little understanding of it as written in the Constitution. Much as the Supreme Court has mangled this in the mid-to-late 20th Century, it’s no surprise that modern-day atheists would too, given that its perversion falls in line with your ideology.
Most on which the militant godless base their outrage has little to do with the Constitution, but about further expanding the reach of Everson v. BOE, the 1947 SC decision that has held up over the years in a rather spotty manner. As the constitution says nothing of a “separation of church and state”, the “wall” spoken of by the SC comes from a Thomas Jefferson letter written 13 years after these clauses originated, yet this has been applied in the most nonsensical way imaginable.
Since atheists mention logic so much (despite their constant misuse of it), can you please explain the logic of how an allegory written by Jefferson should seriously be used as an authoritative declaration in regards to the establishment cause, despite the fact that that Jefferson had nothing to do with the creation of those clauses, and his letter post-dated the Constitution by 13 years?
Report Post »I can hear the gears turning already.
vinnymac46
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 10:14am“I think that reason is not prevailing right now. This is a lot of blowhards and emotion. Maybe they’ll get it out of their system.”
Yeah right, where is Oblama now? He flew to Afghanistan to “show” his support for the troops which he says “he couldn’t be prouder of” but not even a whisper to support this matter. I guess a bad cops harrassing black professors, white college girls trying to get free rubbers, and a 17 year old black kid getting killed are more worthy of Oblama’s attemtion.
Report Post »FoxholeAtheist
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 10:20amI see 1000+ people who need to see a cross everyday to remind them that they love Jesus.
zorro
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 11:31amDo you need to not see it to remind you that you don’t? I don’t get you athiests. If you don’t care, why bother? Leave these people alone. You’re so damn miserable you have to go out of your way to make everyone else miserable too.
Report Post »biggreenboo
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 11:42amThat’s not how it works zorro… they do believe in God… and it burns at them… that’s why they claw, bite and fight at any and all symbols of him. It hurts them to have ANY light shine in the pit… one spark in the dark fills them with rage.
Report Post »Dr. Sax
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 11:53amFoxhole is just angry because he follows a crappy band as evidenced by his choice of avatar. Dude, Bad Religion suck and have always sucked. They will suck for all eternity.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 12:08pm@FOX
Here on the Blaze each day, I see a tiny, tiny minority of angry, bitter, petty little weasles that can’t find it within themselves to just go out and live their one, short, and only life without wasting their time trying to annoy, and stick their finger in the eyes of the vast majority of Americans.
Sad really.
Report Post »maccow
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 1:16pm@Foxhole
At least they have something worthy of that love in their life.
They have something to hold up, you can only tear down.
They love something greater then themselves while you have only yourself, therefore you must hate.
Why are you so afraid of the Gospel of Christ?
What are you so afraid of losing in this life that you would war with God over it?
If you say your REASON is what is keeping you the enemy of God, then your reason is making you a fool.
What’s your story Foxhole?
Countless billions have found something worth holding onto in the wisdom of the ages, but you have found greater wisdom then them all in your short life? Foolishness.
Understand Foxhole, you have not, and can never rack up a bill that the cross of Christ cannot pay in full. It will never be too late in this life for even you to stop your foolish running, turn back, and be forgiven.
Report Post »There was once a man named Paul who could run circles around you when it comes to persecuting Christians. Then he wrote;
“For I am the least of the apostles, who am not worthy to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. But by the grace of God I am what I am, and His grace toward me was not in vain; but I labored more abundantly than they all, yet not I, but the grace of God [which was] with me.”
I pray you meet the blinding light on the Damascus road before it is too late for you.
Thanks for giving all of us Christians the opportunity to witness for Christ.
God bless you for
hatchetjob
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 1:23pmBIGGREENBOO, Right on!!! I think FOXHOLE is a bit pissed today, as usual.
Report Post »mike_trivisonno
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 6:18pm“…I see 1000+ people who need to see a cross everyday to remind them that they love Jesus…”
You may want to look again.
While you are at it, you may want to take a quick survey of Europe. Europeans have all but killed God in their lands. But guess what happened. The vacuum was filled not with Science and Reason or whatever it is that motivates adherents to the atheist belief system, it was filled with another system of social control called Islam. All over Europe, the steeples and ringing bells are being torn down and the minarets and call to prayer go forth.
These people sense something is wrong in America, that a foreign system incompatible with the Constitution and our Bill of Rights is nipping and biting around the edges of American culture. They see in elected officials words and deeds that undermine the foundation of our nation. And they are justified in their defense of their most superior culture and sublime system of faith.
You may desire to dismiss millennia of cultural development and advancement of Western Civilization with casual disregard but there are those who do not.
Report Post »FoxholeAtheist
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 10:35amBully, and without them, The Blaze would not exist.
Report Post »barryswhitehalf
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 2:02pmWestern nations and Western Civilization have produced more liberty and more prosperity for more people than any other culture in History. Christianity is the foundation of the culture upon which Western civilization was built. A genuinely Christian populace will reject collectivism and support individualism. A genuine Christian populace will live moral lives and thus they will support governmental policy that encourages individual, personal, moral responsibility. A genuine Christian populace will reject collectivism and centralized government. A morally debauched populace will look to the government to support them and shelter them from their bad moral choices. Thus for the collectivist atheist liberal bent on imposing socialism upon a nation, Christianity is the number one enemy above all other enemies. In their demented minds, Christianity must be eliminated.
Report Post »Daveed
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 10:11amThe Anti-Christ Freedom From Religion Foundation’s (FFRF) demand that the monument, which includes a cross, be removed from public lands. May I remind this anti liberty anti American anti western civilization anti Christianity anti American people anti decency pro communism elitist power grabbing liberal off shoot of the Progressive Demokrat Communist Party with a President who has ties to a Mother, a father, Bill Ayers, whose parents were friends of this President’s Daddy, Mr. Frank and and the list goes on. These are not people who McCarthy would have approved of. Bill Ayers is a failed unremorseful anti-American terrorists, the number of americans he had planned on murdering on American soil was around 25 million. Per FBI plant before FBI became collateral damage from the political Leftist. Thank our God that he was an incompetent boob anarchist who could not live up to his Daddy’s expectations and failed in his evil plan. Many lives were saved by that Patriot FBI informant. Public lands belong to we, the people not the liberal Communist gov’t which pretends compassion, truth, honesty, transparency and they want to destroy America so they can be the Captains of the World. The truth is not in them. They are just crooked dogs not wanting to let go of the gravy train and think that not only Blacks, but all people are stupid and ignorant and not can rule their own lives, they want the world to be slaves and they the Masters. It is time to take America and put God/Christ
Report Post »maccow
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 1:31pm@DAVEED
Report Post »Don’t sugar coat it, tell them what you really think.
You shouldn’t hold back man, it leads to ulcers.
: )
Reesie
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 6:03pmWell said!
Report Post »barryswhitehalf
Posted on May 4, 2012 at 1:34pmLove that.
Report Post »Inlightofthings
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 10:08amLove this one:
“That monument stays where it is, how it is,” Centracchio told the cheering crowd. ”There’s no negotiation.”
Report Post »encinom
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 10:18amMob demands a theocracy to replace the democratic republic the Constitution has set up.
Report Post »Balpit
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 10:36amSo America’s now established as a Christian nation and all non-Christians are going to be deported because a cross is allowed to stay?
Report Post »FoxholeAtheist
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 10:37amIf this is your God, he’s not very impressive. He has so many psychological problems; he’s so insecure. He demands worship every seven days. He goes out and creates faulty humans and then blames them for his own mistakes. He’s a pretty poor excuse for a Supreme Being.
Report Post »FoxholeAtheist
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 10:45amWhat do you want to make a bet that they have a stake and some gasoline ready, just in case?
Report Post »JQCitizen
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 11:30amYou Libs and Atheists are the thin-skinned ones!
Having crosses on public lands doesn’t make this a Theocracy anymore than having had Bill Clinton in the White House makes it a Brothel, or than driving down the highway, and looking at billboards makes me a Victoria’s Secret model! The only thing the Crosses say is that Christians were here.Like it or not, Christianity is a PART of our Heritage. These people who are rallying only want their History honored.
Believe you me, if this nation was a Theocracy it would have made my life as a mother trying to raise 4 children a whole lot easier…in SOME ways. (Try raising two Christian boys with the VS Billboards).On the other, the CONTRAST has been an on-going life lesson that three of my four have taken to heart! I raised my children to understand that they were to keep their committments to God, without regard to what their neighbors were doing.
Do what I have to do every day! Keep true to your religion, (or non-religion) in your heart and LIVE YOUR LIFE!
Report Post »Oldmantex
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 11:39amThe Constitution limits FEDERAL powers from establishing a religion. Not from state and local precincts from expressing their beliefs. Jefferson, who everyone likes to attribute the so called separation of church and state, had a litmus test to be governor in his own state!! The constitution limits the power of the feds. not the state governments. This is nonsense and needs to stop. The PEOPLE from each state should decide how they are to live in THEIR state. Yes that means a majority muslim state could do the same or a majority gay state could have gay marriage. That is how it was intended to be.
Report Post »Inlightofthings
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 11:48amLet’s think about this a minute. The 1921 monument has been in place to honor fallen local soldiers who died to uphold the constitution and protect this country. Red diaper doper baby anarchists, in the same vein as those they died fighting against come along in the year 2012 and want it removed, start the name calling, file lawsuits and whatever nonsense ENCINOMONICNE is spewing and want “their rights” protected. Now that the anarchists are finding all of America is no longer the push-over it has been since the 60′s, they cry foul. As far as the Mob Rule FOXHOLE Speaks of…it looks like some are figuring fighting fire with fire is pretty darned effective. You schmucks hate it when the field is level don’t you?
Report Post »encinom
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 12:31pmOldmantex
Report Post »Posted on May 3, 2012 at 11:39am
The Constitution limits FEDERAL powers from establishing a religion. Not
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That was once true, than the 14th Amendment was passed and incorporated the Bill of Rights to the States and entities of the States.
bigpew
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 2:13pmfoxhole
Report Post »Actually He demands Worship and Praise to never cease for our mouths. So you see you know not of what you speak.
colt1860
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 3:08pm@encinom NO ONE is advocating for a theocracy. This is a lame accusation the left uses to scare off people. Here, let’s have a history lesson here. This might be too advanced for you though. Try not to take things out of context:
“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness… We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare… And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.”
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 3:21pm@encinom The fourteenth amendment has not been violated, for NO ESTABLISHMENT of Religion has been enacted into law. NO person has been forced or mandated to pray to the cross or baby Jesus, nor has anyone been ordered to meditate upon the Bible. The Constitution prohibits an arbitrary or tyrannical enforcement of organized religion, it does NOT prohibit Representatives or the public to act in the best interest of the citizenry, or the public in general, through Religious reference, content or conduct. VA’s 1776 Declaration of Rights says, “That religion, or the duty which we owe to our CREATOR, and the manner of discharging it, can be directed only by reason and conviction, not by force or violence; and therefore all men are equally entitled to the free exercise of religion, according to the dictates of conscience; and that IT IS THE MUTUAL DUTY OF ALL to practice Christian forbearance, love, and charity, towards each other.”
Patrick Henry said, “It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. FOR THIS VERY REASON peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here.”
It is Christian principles, as practiced here in majority protestant America, which has allowed our society to embrace tolerance, respect and equal rights.
Report Post »From Virginia
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 6:32pm@JQCitizen – I don’t even think crosses on memorials denotes Christianity, per se.
To a lot of people seeing a cross denotes a grave. If you see a cross on the side of the road you don’t think, “OH! Someone’s trying to make me think of Christ! (EGAD!!!) No! The first thing that pops in your head is, “Bummer! Someone DIED there!”
These memorials ALL show respect for those that have DIED for their country. They are in every town because every town in America has lost its sons and daughters fighting in our wars!
These people wanting these crosses down are whizzing on peoples graves!
Report Post »Hades
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 10:07amYou know what? I wonder what she will say many years from now when she stares at the great beyond before she passes away (natural causes, I do not wish her any harm mind you)? Sometimes it takes a lifetime to find God. The lucky ones accept Him early in their lives. The fear of God and the punishment for the hear-after is the basis for what is right and wrong.’
It’s the same idea of of getting a ticket if you think about it. If people were not afraid of what would happen to them if they ran a red light or drive at a high rate of speed, then they would do it more often. But the fear of being pulled over and having to pay a high priced ticket or being arrested keep people on the straight and narrow. It’s the same with our morality (for the most part). We want to be good people normally, but we also fear what will happen to us later if we are not.
There people out there who do not believe in God who are good people. One of my long time best friends is one of them. But those who seek to target those of us who do believe just because they want to have everything their way are truly evil. We cannot be ruled by the minority of any kind. We must stand up for our beliefs or we will loose all rights to do so. I will fight for my rights and those of others. No matter what.
Report Post »KingJames1611
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 10:21am10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.
Proverbs 9:10
Report Post »SpeckledPup
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 10:03amall of America should be standing with Woonsocket against these obama-led atheists.
Obama’s “Bible”: The 45 Declared Goals of the Communist take-over of America (1963):
Report Post »#27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with “social” religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a “religious crutch.”
#28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of “separation of church and state.”
encinom
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 10:16amAmericans need to stand with the Constitution and the First Amendment. All I see is a mob that is seeking to impose mob rule on a town and its people. The US Constitution was designed the limited the power of mobs and protect the minorities.
A Cross is not proper for a war memorial for many reasons (didn’t a person nailed to one preach peace, love thy enemies and turn the other cheek), chief among them is that Christian Americans didn‘t fight America’s wars, Americans did, somewere Christian, some Jewish, Atheist, Muslim, Hindu, etc.
Report Post »spirited
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 10:40amAtheists need to read President Obama’s March 2012 Executive Order the “Act”.
“We have to change our history, our traditions…” -Michelle Obama
What’s next? –The President of the United States Of America be prohibited from saying:
>“God Bless America” ?
Report Post »UnreconstructedLibertarian
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 11:29amEncinom, your interpretation of the 1st amendment is a perversion of Constutional intent. Proper interpretation would leave the Jewish, Hindu, Muslim, or Atheistic adherents to erect their own monuments – and recieve the rightful protections this monument should.
It would therefore be just as wrong for Christians to oppose others freedom OF Religion, than it would be for others to oppose Christians. It is far more honorable to realize that many different religions gave their full measure in the interest of liberty and freedom – let each memorialize their own.
But then, this whole argument isn’t about freedom, liberty, or mutual respect – its about supremecy. It funny to me that Chrisitan symbols have been included in monuments since the dawning of our nation – yet this is only an issue now? It is a “mob mentality” that first came from the left, and has encited response from the right. You want democracy, until you realize you’re still outnumbered – and therefore incapable of asserting your own version of “supremecy” – which is no freedom at all.
Keep pushing Encinom, a psuedo-intellectual such as yourself doesn’t understand human nature enough to realize that you are creating a self-fulfilling situation. The more radical you become, the more radical your opposition. If theocracy is what you want, just keep offending the Christian leaning majority – they‘ll radicalize until that’s exactly what happens.
Report Post »biggreenboo
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 11:51amI see you’re out of your foxhole also Enci… did you hear the name of God in the darkness… crawled on out to see what all the fuss is about. Don’t worry… he isn’t here yet. Go ahead and slide back up in your little foxhole… He’ll thank you for it.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 12:36pmUnreconstructedLibertarian
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 11:29am
Encinom, your interpretation of the 1st amendment is a perversion of Constutional intent.
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No, my interpretation is based on the Jurispurdence that surrounds the Establishment Clause. The problem with Conservatives is that they forget 220+ years of history, new amendments and court opinions since the Constitution was ratified also matter.
The internet was not around at the time of the ratification, is it covered by Free Speech are bloggers, online news sources and even radio and TV newsmen covered by the Free Press clause or because only the literal printing press exisited at the time of ratification than that is what all that matters.
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 3:29pmI’m against mandated diversity or forced multiculturalism, which is what most liberals or Marxists advocate today. If the city, which is suppose to represent the residents there, voted to put up Buddha as some memorial, that’s fine. As a Christian, I wouldn’t like it, but that’s THEIR power to do so. I might have a march, petition or go out in the street, peacefully, and cause some public outcry over it, BUT I would not sue them or take them to court. If I lose the battle to convince them, or change their mind, so be it. I’ll let it go, or wait until the next elections, or next session. As long as no one is forced to pray to it, or ordered to become a Buddhist. Who cares? I don’t. As a voter, I don’t vote for satnists or former criminals, because there might be a chance they won’t represent me as I see best. Wherefore, I vote for decent, virtuous people, and also for those who hold some beliefs in common with me. In that manner, I KNOW what to expect from them, as elected officials having legislative powers. Now, if the city voted to put a memorial with a cross, and just to be politically correct or not offend anyone else, they begrudgingly, against their judgement or representative authority, had to put up also a Buddha statue, and a statue of Zeus, THAT would be absolutely ridiculous and destructive to our society or common identity. We’re a federal Government divided into states, counties, cities and towns, NOT some absolutist centralized nation.
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 3:39pmEncinom said, “No, my interpretation is based on the Jurispurdence that surrounds the Establishment Clause.”
LMAO! Pure and utter BS. Your bias opinions, not interpretations, are based on decisions, not Jurisprudence, made in these last 60 years, by liberal, activist, closet communist, Marxist driven, corrupt Judges. You have no historical support, just as those traitorous judges never used any writings, cases, or works by our founding fathers, in their decisions, for then they would never be able to radically transform the fabric of our society and foundation of our nation. You guys are a bunch of radicals, and stand contrary to just about everything our forefathers and the Constitution intended to establish. You depend on the opinions of those who promote a centralized absolutist nation, and detest our real Constitutional Republic governing a federal Union of free and independent States.
Report Post »From Virginia
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 6:55pm@Encinom – Who are you to say that crosses are improper on war memorials? They’ve been on them for centuries. You want to get rid of 2000 years of western civilization just because you can’t understand the 1st amendment?
Report Post »From Virginia
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 7:02pm@Encinom – So basically you are of the opinion that we need to get all those pesky crosses out of Arlington National Cemetery – right? All those dead soldiers need to be dishonored and the crosses stripped from their graves, right?
Well, my dad is buried in Arlington and I’d like to see you try and strip the cross of his grave. I imagine I’m not the only person that feels this way – like all those towns that are being disrespected by lousy people wanting to disrespt their loved ones graves and memories.
Report Post »From Virginia
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 7:11pm@Encinom – No, my interpretation is based on the Jurispurdence that surrounds the Establishment Clause. The problem with Conservatives is that they forget 220+ years of history, new amendments and court opinions since the Constitution was ratified also matter.”
Utter hogwash. The courts have only been making these nonsensical rulings for the last 50 years starting in the 60′s. That’s not 220 years of jurisprudence. If anything, they OVERTURNED 180 years of jurisprudence.
In your world Dred Scott would stand and NOTHING could be overturned.
One day we will get proper originalist judges on the supreme court and these stupid UNCONSTITUTIONAL decisions will ALL be overturned.
Report Post »dgremark12
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 10:03amWe need to fight back against these Anti Christ anti American radicals!
Report Post »FoxholeAtheist
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 11:02amAnd how exactly are you going to “fight back”? Please enlighten me.
Report Post »Inlightofthings
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 11:52amFOX:
Report Post »I thought you already answered your own question…looks like Mob Rule.
troymac20
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 11:52amI be more interested to know how being an Atheist makes someone anti American?
Report Post »biggreenboo
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 12:02pmDon’t worry Fox… I‘m sure you’ll push the correct button one day. You’ll set somebody off.
Then you wont be so curious anymore… bi.
Report Post »CougarNick78
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 10:02amGood for them!
By the way Turn The Other Cheek, was a metaphor. You are not commanded to be beheaded. And at no point is the Bible a Suicide Pact.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 10:11am“By the way Turn The Other Cheek, was a metaphor. You are not commanded to be beheaded. And at no point is the Bible a Suicide Pact.”?
Actually, if you are a follower of Christ you are. The early Martyrs did not resist the Romans but accepted their suffering for their faith.
Report Post »spirited
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 10:29amScary Obituary
In 1887 Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh , had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years prior:
“A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse over loose fiscal policy, (which is) always followed by a dictatorship.”
“The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:
From bondage to spiritual faith;
From spiritual faith to great courage;
From courage to liberty;
From liberty to abundance;
From abundance to complacency;
From complacency to apathy;
From apathy to dependence;
From dependence back into bondage.”
The Obituary follows:
Born 1776, Died 2012
It doesn’t hurt to read this several times.
(con’t)
Report Post »momrules
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 10:29amCougar………I agree 100% with you. This is one of the many verses in the Bible that has been taken out of context and used by the left as a bludgeon against Christians.
Report Post »spirited
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 10:32amProfessor Joseph Olson of Hamline University School of Law in St. Paul , Minnesota , points out some interesting facts concerning the last Presidential election:
Number of States won by: Obama: 19 McCain: 29
Square miles of land won by: Obama: 580,000 McCain: 2,427,000
Population of counties won by: Obama: 127 million McCain: 143 million
Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Obama: 13.2 McCain: 2.1
Professor Olson adds: “In aggregate, the map of the territory McCain won was
mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of the country.
Obama territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in low income
tenements and living off various forms of government welfare…”
Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the
“complacency and apathy” phase of Professor Tyler’s definition of democracy,
with some forty percent of the nation’s population already having reached
the “governmental dependency” phase.
If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal
Report Post »invaders called illegal’s – and they vote – then we can say goodbye to the
USA in fewer than five years.
encinom
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 10:55am@Spirited
Your post is recycled bunk. Orginially it was Bush/Gore not Obama/McCain (they or you just changed the names, not the stats).
http://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/athenian.asp
Report Post »RANGER1965
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 10:58amNice try Ecino.
Dying for your faith is not a voluntary.event. The church martyrs were not rushing out to goverment officials asking to be executed. They hid as best as they could. They ran when it was an option. But they continually and quietly preached the Gospel, which put them in danger.
Some of them were caught by the legal goverment. And they were tortured and executed for the crime of being a Christian. Many were given an opportunity to avoid this fate if they would deny their faith. Many stood strong and would not deny God before man. They are living examples of the highest form of courage, and I am humbled by their sacrifice.
But the above example has nothing to do with defending yourself against an aggressor or criminal. It has nothing to do with resisting evil with every fiber of your being.
RANGER
Report Post »FoxholeAtheist
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 11:02amSpirited:
http://www.uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/national.php?f=0&year=2000
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 3:47pmIn one of many courtroom speeches, Patrick Henry said the following:
“I know, sir, how well it becomes a liberal man and a Christian to forget and forgive. As individuals professing a holy religion, it is our bounden duty to forgive injuries done us as individuals. But when the character of Christian you add the character of patriot, you are in a different situation. Our mild and holy system of religion inculcates an admirable maxim of forbearance. If your enemy smite one cheek, turn the other to him. But you must stop there. You cannot apply this to your country. As members of a social community, this maxim does not apply to you. When you consider injuries done to your country your political duty tells you of vengeance. Forgive as a private man, but never forgive public injuries. Observations of this nature are exceedingly unpleasant, but it is my duty to use them.”
Report Post »Lucy Larue
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 6:53pm@ENCINOM,
Report Post »Another TWIT weighs in.
Your posts are absolute BULLS#*T! UGH!
Encinom…,find an island. Buy it. Take your buddies(many on this thread).Go there and prosper.
To paraphrase Dr. Suess’s book “Marvin K. Mooney Will you Please Leave Now?” …,I say, Encinom and his Ilk will you please leave now.
semihardrock
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 10:00amAthiests, Communists, Progressives and ALL other idiots have RIGHTs under the US Constitution.
Since original they have LAWS on the books to promote ideology from within.
What we ALL DO NOT HAVE…is control of the US Dollar. That was given up years ago (from fear of death) and if you dont spend it….Congress WILL….
US Citizens are fighting for every US Note (not dollar) with Government because the money is not yours….or theirs!
These items in the article, although sometimes noteworthy, are called “Operation Sideshow” to keep people distracted from the root of the problems here in US, AND liquid money (aka The Fed) promotes the distractions.
Report Post »Disabledvet
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 9:58amPeople need to find the local addresses and phone numbers of Annie Laurie Gaylor, and any others that stand with her and start showing up at their home protesting in front of their homes, calling them at all hours, just bug them constantly, NO VIOLENCE no threatening phones calls just call at 3 in the morning and say ooopps wrong number after waking them up. Also let the city manager and mayor and everyone else on the board know that if the cross moves that they will be done serving in the town, and at the next election they will be replaced with new people. STAND UP AMERICA
Report Post »FoxholeAtheist
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 10:41amWhy don’t you order a dozen pizzas and send them to her?
Report Post »biggreenboo
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 12:45pmPizzas do NOT exist… see how crazy that sounds? Now order me a God with extra cheese foxy.
Report Post »Disabledvet
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 1:24pmGet me her address, I’ll order her some pizzas if you get me her number I will call and let her know they are coming.
Report Post »nocalifornia
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 9:58amMaybe it is time we picked up our cross’s and fought these atheist with what ever it takes. The time of the silent majority has ended, it is time we speak out, not on the blogs or the comment sections of stories like this, but in the public square, in the open, with conviction and truth. Are we all so busy trying to make ends meet that we have forgotten what it takes to maintain our freedoms? Have we forgotten that these memorials stand for those who fought and died for OUR beliefs too? Why do we let the Godless tell us what we can and can’t do? Why do we let the those without faith destroy what has takes over 200 years of hard work and sacrifice to establish? Now is the time to act, as Thomas Paine said “The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country” don’t shrink, stand up for what is moral and right.
Report Post »FoxholeAtheist
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 10:44am“Silent” majority? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 4:00pmThe “silent” majority refers mostly to Conservatives, Christians, and traditional Americans, who have by far, these last few decades, remained inactive or unpersuasive to fight the radical agenda consuming America. Take for example, my state, Maryland. Take a look at a political map, and you’ll see that Maryland is geographically majority Republican, but because of one city and two counties, most Marylanders are out voiced and outnumbered. Most of the people living in these three areas are new residents, or out of state, and have contributed to making Maryland liberal, though the rest of the State practically leans Conservative. Heck, I remember that just 12 years ago, the city I live in, had a few farms, stables, and open spaces. But now, there are no farms, no farm animals, an no open spaces. It is now all under development, new residential areaa (townhouses), or commercial spaces. Most of the residents living in these areas are new, and have helped, through their votes, to undermine and diminish the voice of natural born Marylanders. Over population and ultra urbanization is killing my state. These initiatives are perfect for Marxists and liberals who love to take direct control over the masses in small, concentrated areas. I guess they got to keep the cattle together. Which is why most major US cities are overrun by liberals and democratic socialists.
Report Post »COFemale
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 9:56amI will be glad when this organization, FFRF, goes by the wayside and loses all funding. God willing it will soon. This is nothing but a hateful, racist group.
Report Post »macpappy
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 10:22amYou will have to see the DNC about that. Clinton Richard Dawkins takes much money from the DNC and liberal doners. Dawkins is the idiot who makes real athiest ashamed to be athiest; who in his own work proclaims that there is a 1:4 chance that there is a god.
Report Post »Like I say, follow the money and you will find out who funds these clowns.
vox_populi
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 2:33pmMy question is: why do all these people hate Jews so much that they have to stifle their religious expression through the overdominance of the Christian faith?
Report Post »Inlightofthings
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 7:18pmVOX:
Report Post »You have an insecurity problem. The Jewish have been in this country for say hundreds of years and have you ever heard them as a religion or even ONE Jewish person protest a Cross on a public building in that time…outside of their possible affiliation to the freaks the last few decades? No..the answer is no. As a religion the Jewish have never had a problem with it. What you express is contrived…period.
cemerius
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 9:55amThis FFRF is makinig blood gush from my eyes in rage!!!
Report Post »Watcher1952
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 9:51amGreat stuff ..Woonsocket… this may be the start of telling the athiest to go away and stop trying to force their thought process on others. I am a Vet and contrary to what this Gaylor woman says…this is an attack on Veterans…..the same people who made it safe for her to live. We THE AMERICAN PEOPLE have got to ban together and stop this type of assult on AMERICA
Report Post »encinom
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 10:20amI love hoe quickly Beckerheads abandon the Constitution for facism when they are forced to reconize the rights of the minority.
Report Post »momrules
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 10:35amThis an attack on Veterans but also part of the continued attack on Christian values in America by the Godless. Evil must remove good before evil can win………even if it is a short term win for them.
Dismayed Veteran
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 10:36amWatcher
I am with you. This is an attack on vets. Every vet knows that the military has members who are deeply religious, casually religious, not religious at all and atheists. I suspect the men whose names are etched in the memorial fit some or all of those categories. But, by GOD, we will remember them, if only to look at their names and wonder what they were like.
This cliche is true: All gave some. Some gave all.
I will pray for the repose of the soul of MSG Russell Peter “Pete” Bott, 1st Special Forces, Detachment B-52, Recon Team Viper, MIA, Laos, 6 December 1966. Two live sightings. Absent but no forgotten.
Report Post »Balpit
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 10:43am“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion
OR PROHIBITING THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF”.
Looks like you’re the clueless one when it comes to the Constitution.
Report Post »So before you whine about the motes in our eyes, why don’t you worry about the planks in yours?
encinom
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 11:11amBalpit
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 10:43am
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion
OR PROHIBITING THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF”.
Looks like you’re the clueless one when it comes to the Constitution.
Report Post »So before you whine about the motes in our eyes, why don’t you worry about the planks in yours?
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No body is prevent an individula from the Free Exercise of thier religion. The issue is the local government’s endorsement of one religion over others on public land.
jeffile
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 11:33amEncinom – You obviously haven’t read the entire first amendment. Where does the first amendment mention or even allude to the removal of religious icons or the inherent right to worship as you please? It simply states the government cannot proclaim a national religion nor impede someone’s right to worship. The cross may be a religious symbol but by allowing erection of a cross at a cemetery does not mean the government is demanding everyone become part of that religion. Yes, I know the SC has ruled differently but I am not overly educated so I have the misfortune to understand what is written. If the argument that a cross offends you then an argument that your anti belief offends me is just as valid.
Report Post »zorro
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 11:39amLocal goverments can do what they want so long as the people allow it. The Constitution only restricts CONGRESS.
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof….”
Report Post »jeffile
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 11:39amEncinom – The government endorsing a religion is entirely different from demanding all follow that religion. Otherwise the Occupier Of The White House has violated that amendment when he praises Islam. You can’t have it both ways.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 1:07pmzorro
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 11:39am
Local goverments can do what they want so long as the people allow it. The Constitution only restricts CONGRESS.
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof….”
Report Post »_________________________
Re-read the Constitution and all of the Amendments, the 14th Amendment incorporates the Bill of Rights to the States.
zorro
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 1:50pmHmmm…well, I know I‘m not a Constitutional scholar but I went back and read the 14th Amendment and don’t see how the word “Congress” could be applied to a local government. Can you be more specific on what part of the 14th Amendment you think (or know) does?
I know you can’t debate on these forums. I’m not debating you. I‘m just asking so I can see where you’re coming from.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 3:27pm@Zorro
See Gitlow v. People, 268 U.S. 652 (1925), “we may and do assume that freedom of speech and of the press which are protected by the First Amendment from abridgment by Congress are among the fundamental personal rights and ‘liberties’ protected by the due process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment from impairment by the States.”
The Due Process Clause of the 14th Amendment:
“[N]or shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law ”
The Courts have held that the terms of Life, Liberty and Property to be those rights outlines in the Bill of Rights. The Clause clearly is aimed at the States. With out this understanding, the State of California can make it illegal to broadcast the Glenn Beck show or be a Christian, there would be no First Amendment protection for the citizens of that state.
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Posted on May 3, 2012 at 4:19pm@encinom You’re full of BS, again. Those decisions were made to guarantee rights already protected. Most of these rights find their origin in the common law, which every state (except LA in some respects) enforces. The incorporation of the “rights” found in the Bill of Rights through the fourteenth amendment was to further secure those rights from state infringement, not to create rights. Rather, the amendment confirmed these rights, and did not establish new ones, as stated by the Supreme Court. Nothing more, nothing less. What these other modern cases have done though, is impose a new, unprecedented agenda, which never had any basis in our laws or relation to our institutions when the fourteenth amendment was ratified. The fourteenth amendment does not create any new powers, or redefine (fundamentally change) those powers or prohibitions previously outlined in the Constitution. There was, already existent, an expectation for all states to respect those rights declared in our national Bill of Rights for all individuals, and indeed every state during our founding, had a similar declaration of rights for themselves. It is the radical judges who have falsely interpreted the Constitution to advance their Marxist agenda and fundamentally transform America. The supreme court and these federal activist, liberal judges are NOT infallible. They’re traitors and corrupt to the core.
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Posted on May 3, 2012 at 4:44pmThanks for the reference. I do understand what you’re saying. What I don’t understand is how the “state” (or local government in this case), is “depriving” anything from anyone by having a cross in a local park. I realize the argument is that it “favors” one religion over the other. But I don’t see how the state or local government is “favoring”. It seems to me it’s the people who are favoring that religion. If the community was Jewish or Muslim, I‘m sure they’d have something else in place of a cross. If the local community were the ones complaining, I could see why the city would change it. I’m not getting why some people who have nothing to do with this area care.
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Posted on May 3, 2012 at 5:55pm@Zorro,
It is not that any one is being deprived, it is that public resources are going to the favor of one religion over all others. Would you want your tax dollars and space at a public park going to the construction of a Cresent Moon to honor Muslim Vets?
Also, you must remember the Constitution is clear, we are a republic, not a true democracy. The rights of the minorities must be protected. While the views of the majority are important, they can never trample the rights of the minorities.
The local chapter of the Communist party, all 5 of them, want to hold a peacful May Day parade, the fact that 99% of the town disagrees with their political position is not a legitmate reason to deny them a permit, the communists still enjoy the same 1st Amendment protection as every other citizen.
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Posted on May 3, 2012 at 6:33pm@encinom Again, you provide NO HISTORICAL PROOF.
The father of the Constitution, James Madison, declared:
“No people ought to feel greater obligations to celebrate the goodness of the Great Disposer of Events of the Destiny of Nations than the people of the United States. His kind providence originally conducted them to one of the best portions of the dwelling place allotted for the great family of the human race. He protected and cherished them under all the difficulties and trials to which they were exposed in their early days. Under His fostering care their habits, their sentiments, and their pursuits prepared them for a transition in due time to a state of independence and self-government. In the arduous struggle by which it was attained they were distinguished by multiplied tokens of His benign interposition. During the interval which succeeded He reared them into the strength and endowed them with the resources which have enabled them to assert their national rights, and to enhance their national character in another arduous conflict, which is now so happily terminated by a peace and reconciliation with those who have been our enemies. And to the same Divine Author of Every Good and Perfect Gift we are indebted for all those privileges and advantages, religious as well as civil, which are so richly enjoyed in this favored land.”
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Posted on May 3, 2012 at 6:41pm“Do not separate text from historical background. If you do, you will have perverted and subverted the Constitution, which can only end in a distorted, bastardized form of illegitimate government.” James Madison
“On every question of construction [of the Constitution] let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or intended against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed.” Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), letter to Judge William Johnson, (from Monticello, June 12, 1823)
While encamped on the banks of a river, Washington was approached by Delaware Indian chiefs who desired that their youth be trained in American schools. In Washington’s response, he first told them that “Congress… will look on them as on their own children.” That is, we would train their children as if they were our own. He then commended the chiefs for their decision, “You do well to wish to learn our arts and our ways of life and above all, the religion of Jesus Christ. These will make you a greater and happier people than you are. Congress will do everything they can to assist you in this wise intention.”
Congress has ALWAYS favored Protestant CHRISTIANITY. WHO GIVES A DANG THAT YOU DON’T. This is religion has always been part of our national heritage.
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Posted on May 3, 2012 at 6:45pmEvery new session in Congress opens with a prayer. THIS is how it started:
“Let us enter on this important business under the idea that we are Christians on whom the eyes of the world are now turned… [L]et us earnestly call and beseech Him, for Christ’s sake, to preside in our councils… We can only depend on the all powerful influence of the Spirit of God, Whose Divine aid and assistance it becomes us as a Christian people most devoutly to implore. Therefore I move that some minister of the Gospel be requested to attend this Congress every morning… in order to open the meeting with prayer.” Elias Boudinot, PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS; SIGNED THE PEACE TREATY TO END THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION; FIRST ATTORNEY ADMITTED TO THE U. S. SUPREME COURT BAR; FRAMER OF THE BILL OF RIGHTS; DIRECTOR OF THE U. S. MINT
Your denial and utter detestation of what made our co
Report Post »“Rendering thanks to my Creator for my existence and station among His works, for my birth in a country enlightened by the Gospel and enjoying freedom, and for all His other kindnesses, to Him I resign myself, humbly confiding in His goodness and in His mercy through Jesus Christ for the events of eternity.” John Dickinson, SIGNER OF THE CONSTITUTION; GOVERNOR OF PENNSYLVANIA; GOVERNOR OF DELAWARE; GENERAL IN THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION
colt1860
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 6:54pmGeorge Washington said, “Whereas it is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favor; and Whereas both Houses of Congress have, by their joint committee, requested me to “RECOMMEND to the people of the United States a day of public thanksgiving and prayer, to be observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many and signal favors of Almighty God, especially by affording them an opportunity peaceably to establish a form of government for their safety and happiness…” http://wilstar.com/holidays/wash_thanks.html
On January 21, 1781, Philadelphia printer Robert Aitken (1734-1802) petitioned Congress to officially sanction a publication of the Old and New Testament which he was preparing at his own expense:
“RESOLVED,
THAT the United States in Congress assembled HIGHLY APPROVE the pious and laudable undertaking of Mr. Aitken, as subservient to the interest of religion, as well as an instance of the progress of arts in this country, and being satisfied from the above report of his care and accuracy in the execution of the work, they RECOMMEND this edition of the Bible to the inhabitants of the United States, and hereby authorize him to publish this Recommendation in the manner he shall think proper.”
Those radical decisions you like to use to support your notions are corrupt.
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Posted on May 3, 2012 at 7:17pm@Encinom – I’m afraid that the fascism is on your side. Going town to town stripping people of their history and dignity. How foul.
Liberals first and only trick pony is to call someone the very thing that they are. A racist will always call someone a racist to shut them up. A fascist will always call a person (or people) fascists to make them stand down from defending themselves.
Report Post »macpappy
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 9:51amChristians must learn to stop turning the other cheek and start meeting fire with fire. If your convictions are real you too would get out and proclaim them. The organizations professing to be Athiest have to investigated, outed for who they really are and met face for face at rallys, and protest.
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girlnurse
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 12:54pmRight! As someone earlier stated the martyrs were beheaded for refusing to recant their faith. These were courageous men and women who believed in something worth dying for. Do we still believe in something worth dying for? Embarrassed? Humiliated? Jailed? Harrased? Break a nail?
Report Post »I guess since you can’t serve God and mammon-most Christians don’t have much money (if everyone gave a little to get started)…but I’m looking for a group to fight back and I am willing to move to another state because mine is land of fruits and nuts..
Wilma
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 4:46pmI agree 100%. It is time to out these people, name names, show us their faces. Why does the media continue to protect them?
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 9:50amGood.
Report Post »COFemale
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 9:47amIf we are going to use the lefts mantra here and say we are a democracy. I think 1000 trump 1 dumb _____ complainer. Case close. Go away FFRF, we just voted you down.
Go peddle your hate somewhere else.
Report Post »cookcountypatriot
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 9:45amevery christian in that community should putn a cross in thier front yards,,in thier car window …annie laurie gaylor should go to sleep at nite with the cross tatooed in her brain..
Report Post »spirited
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 10:44amPerhaps (at least), she’ll wake up one morning
;^> with crossed-eyes.
Report Post »mils
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 9:38amAmerica..has become a country where the minority rules the majority, no matter the cause
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Posted on May 3, 2012 at 9:52amMILS : Exactly. Wisconsin is the poster child of this : the minority doesn’t like the results of an election so they “ recall ” the governor, The Democrat legislatures run to Illinois to avoid voting, and the unions bus in mobs to protest. We are seeing bullying and tyranny replace elections . Not a good sign for peace and stability.
Report Post »NHwinter
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 9:38amIt isn’t necessary to honor veterans with a cross on public property. Really? Maybe a sign with a zero would be more appropriate to them.. How can one person change the cross? The support to leave it is there and they should be heard over one person!!!!!
Report Post »EqualJustice
Posted on May 3, 2012 at 10:28amMajority rules! Hey, it’s the “99%” right? hahaha
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