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Don’t Want to Send Your Child to Bible Camp? This Atheist Summer Camp Claims it‘s ’Beyond Belief’

During the summer, many churches run Bible camps and daytime activities for children and families, alike. But, where do devout atheists, agnostics and other “freethinkers” send their children during the hot, summer months? The answer may surprise you.

Camp Quest, according to its web site, is a residential summer camp designed for the children of “Atheists, Freethinkers, Humanists, Brights, or whatever other terms might be applied to those who hold to a naturalistic, not supernatural world view.” Below, watch a rough copy of a camp PSA:

Like other sleep-away camps, kids participate in arts and crafts, archery, sports and the like, but Camp Quest is built upon one shared characteristic: Children who attend do not embrace or rely upon a higher power. Much like the kids who attend Bible camps, children who attend Camp Quest do so at the discretion of their parents or guardians.

While at the camp, these young people engage in a variety of programs. There are informational lectures on world religions and sessions about famous atheists and “freethinkers.” Other activities include atheist swimming, atheist nature hikes and, of course, atheist stargazing.

According to an official explanation on the camp’s web site, its purpose is to improve “the human condition through rational inquiry, critical and creative thinking, scientific method, self-respect, ethics, competency, democracy, free speech, and the separation of religion and government.” Thus, it is a breeding ground for some of the elements that drive non-believing minds. One of its goals is to ” demonstrate atheism and humanism as positive, family-friendly worldviews.”

The Washington Post provides a comprehensive summary of Camp Quest’s history:

The first Camp Quest opened in the Cincinnati area in 1996, founded by Edwin Kagin, a former Eagle Scout who was annoyed with the religious overtones in modern Boy Scouting. Camp Quest had about 20 campers. In 2002, it incorporated, launching a branch in Tennessee. A few years ago the organization hired its first paid employee. There are now 10 Camp Quests in North America and a few more in Europe.

The Post continues, providing some words from the campers themselves:

“I don’t have any freethinker friends at home,” says Jake Monsky, thoughtfully. He’s 11, with blond hair damp from spending his free time at the lake. At some of his friends’ houses, the families pray before dinner. Jake says he bows his head because he doesn’t want to be rude. He likes these friends a lot, but sometimes, he thinks that if he told his friends that he isn’t religious, “then they might not be my friends anymore.”…

“No man considers himself evil,” says Jacob Maxfield, who is 12. Even Hitler probably didn’t think he was evil, Jacob continues, though he definitely made very, very bad choices.

“I’m an atheist, personally,” Jacob says later. “But I don’t get angry at other people for believing in God. I respect them. But sometimes I rub them the wrong way.”

Below, watch a training video that is used to prepare staff for their role at the camp:

Camp Quest and its founder tend to use the word “freethinking” to define the nonreligious — a term that believers will likely find offensive. Some would argue that anyone, regardless of religious affiliation or the lack thereof, can be described as thinking freely for him or herself. Below, watch a 2009 BBC report that focuses upon one of England’s Camp Quest locations:

Some may view these camps as further evidence that Atheism is, in its own regard, a “religion.” The premise of these institutions is to educate children about the tenants of non-belief. The transfer of these elements, pending they can be exported in a particular format, mirrors the way in which a Bible camp would educate children on Christian principles.

Expect to see more Camp Quests pop up around the nation (and the world), as the company has grown substantially over the past 15 years.

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  • Chug
    Posted on July 27, 2011 at 6:23pm

    Good luck to them. Maybe it will stop them wanting to secularise Scouting. Of course I’ve got to wonder how many of these “freethinkers” have parents who are religious. Or are they atheists because mummy and daddy are?

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    • dissentnow
      Posted on July 27, 2011 at 6:34pm

      How many Christians are Christians because mummy and daddy are?

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    • affinnity
      Posted on July 27, 2011 at 7:01pm

      Dissentnow. Apparently you have mummy and daddy issues.

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    • dissentnow
      Posted on July 27, 2011 at 7:21pm

      I was responding to the above post. No mummy/daddy issues here. Thanks

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    • Al Gator
      Posted on July 27, 2011 at 7:23pm

      Once upon a time, CRITICAL THINKING was a staple of AMERICAN education. When the marxists were able (as per the commie manifesto) to reign in ‘critical thinking,’ via the publik skoolz along with the union thugs who patrol it, then it was possible to introduce the juvenile notion that the sun, which is a gift from God and keeps us alive, was just an ‘accident’.

      Spoke to a product of the “publik skoolz” recently. Asked the genius where the sun came from.

      His face went blank, he went silent for almost a minute. His answer: “Hey you old jerk, its always been there!”

      Happy with his worthless answer, he went on his way, high on his sense of ‘self esteem.’

      I don’t cry anymore.

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    • Attention2Detail
      Posted on July 27, 2011 at 7:54pm

      The T-shirt said “Question Everything”, but it really means everything but naturalism. That is sacred. I’ve rarely met an atheist who is a free thinker. In fact free thinkers are becoming more and more rare because public school does it’s best to disable the thinking portion of the brain.

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    • Trance
      Posted on July 27, 2011 at 8:11pm

      @Al Gator – Where did God come from?

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    • encinom
      Posted on July 27, 2011 at 8:12pm

      @Al Gator

      Where the sun came from, that is easy, after the big bang, gases and other matter spiraled around forming stellar bodies, if the bodies had enough mass they formed stars and the weight of the gravity caused a nuclear reaction. The gas giants in our solar system are failed stars.

      Let me guess you were going to say a old white guy in robes made it.

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    • veruca salt
      Posted on July 27, 2011 at 8:30pm

      Al Gator‘s critical thinking skills are on par with the first caveman who watched the big ball of fire traverse the sky and being fearful of something he didn’t understand, came to the conclusion a god must have put it there.

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    • poverty.sucks
      Posted on July 27, 2011 at 8:45pm

      Someone call the Health Department and shut them down. I’m sure someone left a toilet seat up. Gum under the table, left snot on the food line, ect…

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    • Shiroi Raion
      Posted on July 27, 2011 at 8:58pm

      @Encinom @Veruca
      You prove my point. Thanks for that.
      As I said, I’m an atheist, but I don’t try to attack others for believing in something different than I.
      YOU DO!
      I believe that we’re an “accident” of nature, but I, like Christians, don’t attack others for not believing exactly what I believe.
      One of my problem with Liberals is their dishonesty. Liberals attack Christians and Jews, lie about their intentions and about America’s history 24/7. Liberals are supposedly “open-minded“ and ”free-thinkers,” but they’re anything but.
      They openly attack Christians and mock them in order to create an environment of hatred. Why else would you dishonest people frequent and attack readers of The Blaze which attracts mostly Libertarians, Conservatives, and truth seekers? You are hateful of anyone that doesn’t believe what you believe. PERIOD!
      This is the opposite of the TOLERANT, FREE THINKING, OPEN MINDED people you claim to be.

      In my life, I’ve been attacked endlessly for being openly politically right in my views, and I have only seen Liberals attacked on very rare occasions (like those crazies that protest gays’ funerals.) These hate on the right is relatively rare. The hate on the left is incredibly widespread.

      So, thanks again for proving my point. I stand with the good and honest people!

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    • encinom
      Posted on July 27, 2011 at 9:06pm

      @Shiroi Raion

      A Beck fan, you take statements, remove context and than attack character. You fail to mention that our comments were in response to Al Gators ranting and his claim that belief in some sky god is proof of critical thinking.

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    • veruca salt
      Posted on July 27, 2011 at 9:14pm

      Wow! Thanks for setting me straight, Shiroi.

      As I read through the entirety of posts from the Blaze Libertarians, Conservatives, and truth seekers commenting on this story, I see no mocking or attacking people who think differently from themselves.

      “A godless themed camp for young skulls full of mush directed by godless thinking adults. If that is what you want for your children, then fine, live with the results you have instilled in them.”

      “Good now there a place for the Trolls kids to go….”

      “Wow, Satan Camp, I see the Leader of Hell now has his own childrens youth camp to go along with the public school lies.”

      “One of my problem with Liberals is their dishonesty. Liberals attack Christians and Jews, lie about their intentions and about America’s history 24/7. Liberals are supposedly “open-minded“ and ”free-thinkers,” but they’re anything but”

      etc…

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    • Shiroi Raion
      Posted on July 27, 2011 at 10:35pm

      What Gator said has nothing to do with what I said, so why would I mention it? I was talking about the Liberal hate-mongers. If I attack anything, it’s corruption, dishonesty, hypocrisy, and hate. If you consider that character, then yes, I’ll attack that all day long. I never take anything out of context, and neither does Glenn. Obama sure does… like in his last speech about the debt quoting Reagan out of context. The Liberals always do… like the MANY times I‘ve seen the media take Beck and O’Reilly and the Tea Party out of context. Better yet, the blatantly obvious lies that the Liberals and their media tell so very MANY MANY times.

      You consider the truth an attack? This is not an attack, it’s an obvious fact to any observant person, although it is generalized: “One of my problem with Liberals is their dishonesty. Liberals attack Christians and Jews, lie about their intentions and about America’s history 24/7. Liberals are supposedly “open-minded“ and ”free-thinkers,” but they’re anything but.”

      Have you not read any of The Blaze’s articles or listened to Beck? They not only have exposed their numerous lies, but they back up the stories with proof.

      If Liberals wanted what’s best for American people and for the world, then why must they hide behind lies? If they wanted what’s best for people, they wouldn’t need to lie.

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    • 1proudAmerican
      Posted on July 27, 2011 at 11:27pm

      I‘m starting to wonder if the Bible’s “144,000″ wasn’t far off. Fewer and fewer are believers.

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    • Chug
      Posted on July 28, 2011 at 2:30am

      Very true. On a personal note though. My father is an atheist and so was his parents, I never really new my mother or her family but I am a Christian.

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    • Thatsitivehadenough
      Posted on July 28, 2011 at 4:28am

      Atheists are following their belief the same way as Satan worshipers, Wickens do, and is just another alternative to religions. If it wasn’t, they’d just ignore other religions and stop trying to compete with them. They’d stop trying so hard to teach what they believe and disprove what others believe.

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    • smithclar3nc3
      Posted on July 28, 2011 at 8:06am

      Dissent the point chug was making is obvious a child whom is denied Religion or grows with parents who attack religion. Will then mimic his parents and it’s hardly FREE THINKING. children who grows up in a religious household and decides it‘s not for him could be considered a free thinker but then of course there’s peer pressure as an outside stimulus to infuence as well. Basicly there are very few free thinker and people in general will embrace the philosophy of their peers. salt in the salt shakers pepper in the pepper shakers. That’s how Jim Jones amast a following whose to say whose right or wrong when most idiots believe preception is reality. Me I believe in the teachings of Christ because of the message with in it. He is the embodiment of love,understanding and forgiveness while at the same time condemning the sin and requiring the sinner to do better.

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    • beekeeper
      Posted on July 28, 2011 at 11:05am

      There are basicly three kinds of sleep-away camps – Religious, Secular, and now Anti-religious.

      I’m not sure what positive message a camping experience centered around this shared sense of superiority over others (We‘re ’Freethinkers’!) would impart to the children that they couldn’t have gotten at a secular camp. I guess it’s important for (these) Atheists to flaunt their beliefs in front of others.

      And as for the “Eagle Scout who was annoyed with the religious overtones in modern Boy Scouting” – “religious overtones” were in Scouting from it’s inception – but it is non-denominational…

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    • drphil69
      Posted on July 28, 2011 at 1:44pm

      Fantastic! I am assuming of course that they are FOR PROFIT, and not sucking money out of the tax payers.

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    • sisserydoo
      Posted on July 28, 2011 at 6:30pm

      @ Encinom, Trance: Where did the “gases and other matter” come from?

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    • LibertarianForLife
      Posted on July 29, 2011 at 2:43am

      Oh the wonderful eptitude of irony. Why do Christians claim to have free will? Because Sky God says so. Mutually exclusive, fools.

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  • biblegeek119
    Posted on July 27, 2011 at 6:14pm

    Some people take much pride that they evolved from apes. I believe a Superior Exceeding Wonderous Being, made my ancestors as I am now. But that is just me…the humble me.

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    • dissentnow
      Posted on July 27, 2011 at 6:25pm

      Evolved from apes?????? Did you also go to Beck University?

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    • Goodgriefgeezlouise
      Posted on July 27, 2011 at 6:27pm

      Don’t they have these camps in Iran? Athiest camps are nothing new.. They will preach the collective good and appeal to the socislist hippy crowd that is looking for their utopia.. Little do they understand that a free market America that thrives and employs anyone that wants to work is really the utopia the seek.. It‘s just that they want it handed to ’em outta someone elses pocket.. Nothin new there

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    • affinnity
      Posted on July 27, 2011 at 6:52pm

      Atheists are atheists because they believe humans are nothing more than thinking, talking, animals. I don’t have a problem with that. However, I do have a problem with people forcing their beliefs (evolution) on Christians and insulting Christians because atheists think they are smart and Christians are dumb. If atheists are so smart why do religious people run the world?

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    • Bass_Virus
      Posted on July 27, 2011 at 9:31pm

      We ARE apes genius.

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    • Drives Like Jehu
      Posted on July 28, 2011 at 1:09am

      Whoa there buddy…you obviously don’t know that the “correct” source of human evolution is not apes but some MYTHICAL so called “common ancestor” that both apes and humans magically evolved from. (An alternative theory is that believers were created by God whereas atheists evolved from silly putty.) :-)

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    • Underground Man
      Posted on July 28, 2011 at 9:52am

      AFFINNITY (sic): Evolution is not an “atheistic belief.” I believe strongly that God is behind the creative evolutionary process. Your warped, short-sighted kind of thinking is precisely what drives scientifically minded people away from the faith. Even if you think evolution is incompatible with Christian faith (which it isn’t), that still does not warrant calling it atheistic. The only essentially “atheistic belief” is that there is no God. That’s it, and that’s all. One can even be an staunch atheist while believing in animism or subjective idealism or reincarnation. So, you have the freedom to teach your children ideas that may end up driving them away from Christ once they acquire a scientific education, while others exercise that freedom in order to teach their children what is very likely true about the natural world. To use a cliche (but a good cliche), all truth is God’s truth.

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  • teddrunk
    Posted on July 27, 2011 at 6:12pm

    Wow, Satan Camp, I see the Leader of Hell now has his own childrens youth camp to go along with the public school lies.

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    • dissentnow
      Posted on July 27, 2011 at 6:26pm

      Satan camp? Paranoid much?

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    • encinom
      Posted on July 27, 2011 at 8:36pm

      Then again, Beck compared the victims of the Right Winf Christian Attack in Norway to the Hitler Youth, so I guess the apple doe snot fall far from the tree.

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    • grabyrgun
      Posted on July 27, 2011 at 10:08pm

      @enicom: i was going to write an entire message to you about how hitler wasn’t a right winger or a christian, he was a left wing socialist. but you are a lost cause and my fingers are tired… good luck to you. ~r

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    • Underground Man
      Posted on July 28, 2011 at 9:56am

      TEDDRUNK: Seriously, dude? Satan is not the “leader of hell.” I’d love you to justify THAT notion from the Scriptures.

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  • littleGizmo
    Posted on July 27, 2011 at 6:07pm

    I am a freely practicing God believer, and I have NO PROBLEM at all with camp quest, parents have a right to send their children wherever they choose. Some may not agree with their choices but thankfully America is still a free country! I am not offended by their use of the term “freethinker” I think we should all be freethinkers, religious or not.

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    • Ron_WA
      Posted on July 27, 2011 at 7:06pm

      Agreed. Parents are free to raise their kids as they see fit. Kids will normally grow up to believe whatever they choose – my folks were a believer & an atheist – I chose to believe; same thing has happened w/ my teens – neither their mother or I told them what to believe yet they have chosen to believe in a higher power. That’s freethinking.

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    • SovereignSoul
      Posted on July 28, 2011 at 2:05am

      You are kidding yourself if you think this is a free country.

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  • The Divided States of America
    Posted on July 27, 2011 at 6:06pm

    Im sure they are teaching their kids that relativism is the way to go. Im also sure they agree with the saudi fatwa…http://www.theblaze.com/stories/saudi-cleric-issues-fatwa-defending-pedophilia-as-%E2%80%98marriage%E2%80%99/

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    • OuttoDoubt
      Posted on July 29, 2011 at 1:40am

      @divided How can you possibly make the connection that people who do not accept the supernatural somehow agree with the rants of religious fundimentalism?!?!? And really, relativism? Where do you come up with this crap? It’s amazing to me that a group of people who hold the extreme majority claim to be persecuted by less than 8% of the US population, then when we put together our own camp for our children you, as always, once again become the persecutor with such claims as yours and those like “satan camp” and so forth. Yes, poor poor christians, it’s so hard being the majority and controlling virtually EVERY political office in the land. How many openly atheist politicians can you name? or muslim? or hindu? bet you could count each on just two hands. Get over yourself.

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  • commonsenseguy
    Posted on July 27, 2011 at 6:06pm

    hey this is a free country so if you want to send your kids to a bible camp or an atheist camp rock roll, when you all die and are standing at what ever gate that you believe in,then and only then well you know if you made the right choice,as for me it is the bible and god, so go ahead and do what ever floats your boat, just remember,we all have to go and then and only then will we know if we made the right call,as for me i know where i stand and that is with god,so good luck in the future,o yeah, i am not forcing my beliefs on anyone,so please quit trying to force yours on me., do what you like,and i will do as i like and believe.

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    • LOLReally
      Posted on July 28, 2011 at 10:09am

      This kind of comment ****** me off “I don‘t try and force my belifes on you so don’t force yours on me“ or ”Stop trying to disprove it soo hard, They spend ALOT of time and money trying to disprove religon”. LOL Really? There are NO athiest tv channels, There are NO anti god evangelists. So where is all this time and money going? Wow is it at all like 10% tidings? How about the crystal cathedral? Do you think that time and money could have gone to a better cause than your own opulence? You are scared of death thats it period. You would NOT follow if there was no reward of heaven. In my area we are up to 12 over the air chruch channels and 5 other channels LOL. So you can be drunk at home and still be “faithfull”. Your soul insurance is laughable. Just live a good life and treat others the way you would like to be treated. I have had many friends that suddenly were not as soon as they learned I don’t belive in thier fairytales, yet I did not look at them less for thier ignorance.

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  • TelepromoterNChief
    Posted on July 27, 2011 at 6:06pm

    Don’t the atheist god-haters get tired?
    I enjoy going to church. If I do not feel like going, I do not go.
    No big deal.
    The atheists tend to put a considerable amount of time and resources trying to convince themselves that they are right.
    Do they have something to hide?

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    • S G Applebee
      Posted on July 27, 2011 at 6:45pm

      “Don’t the atheist god-haters get tired?”

      I’ve been an atheist my entire life and I have never met A SINGLE ATHEIST who claims to “hate God”. What we “hate” are ignorant, egotistical megalomaniac religious fundamentalists who have the temerity to SPEAK FOR GOD.

      To speak FOR God, is to speak AS God.

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    • OuttoDoubt
      Posted on July 29, 2011 at 1:46am

      Convincing ourselves because a group of atheists got together and made a summer camp for children that doesn’t shove religion into every activity? If you consider that evidence that we are lacking in our absencse of belief, than what does your frequent church appearence say for you? Talk about needing constant reinforcement! Or is it that you just enjoy being around like minded people, you know, like everyone else. Shmuck

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  • Vacman
    Posted on July 27, 2011 at 6:05pm

    Good now there a place for the Trolls kids to go….

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  • freestaterev
    Posted on July 27, 2011 at 6:01pm

    Someone once told me, it takes more faith to believe EVERYTHING came from NOTHING; in fact to believe this is, in itself, a religion by itself. There is literally zero logic in the idea of all creation coming from emptiness- the millions of species all living, and interacting, life cycles, seasons, human emotions, etc.

    I pray that the so-called “enlightened freethinkers” will actually be enlightened, and have their hearts opened to the truth.

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    • commonsenseguy
      Posted on July 27, 2011 at 6:10pm

      if they want to believe that we came from apes and evolved to man then so be it, but they must have to think that the apes come from a comets fart also, now that would critical free thinking.

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    • Bass_Virus
      Posted on July 27, 2011 at 9:33pm

      Where did god come from?

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  • LibertyMama
    Posted on July 27, 2011 at 6:00pm

    The training video states that it is not an atheist camp, but a camp for children of atheists, etc. It says “children are just children” (ie not to be tagged with the same label as the parents who sent them to the camp).

    It also states that their goal is “not to teach what to think, but how to think” so that children can make up their own minds. I would much rather any camp or even school system follow this philosophy.

    Teaching the children strong reasoning skills will, no doubt, enable the children of atheists to discern “the error” of their parent’s thinking… religious people should consider this a good thing.

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    • janalee
      Posted on July 27, 2011 at 6:10pm

      You’re right…it just might back-fire on the parents! Wouldn’t that be a kicker!? God does work in mysterious ways…out of the mouths of babes

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  • Finnuyasha
    Posted on July 27, 2011 at 5:58pm

    How did the article’s author get from the camp has “a variety of programs. There are informational lectures on world religions“ to ”further evidence that Atheism is, in its own regard, a “religion.” The premise of these institutions is to educate children about the tenants of non-belief.”?!?! I’ve been to a few church camps in my youth and we never discussed OTHER world religions, save for the mention of Judaism and Islam sharing the old testament with Christianity. I assume most readers here will think there is something horribly wrong with this camp, but personally I don’t see any harm. THIS IS AMREICA. Land of the Free, home of the Brave. Are we no longer brave enough to tolerate anyone holding views which oppose ours? Are others to be stripped of their freedoms to believe what they like and raise their children as they see fit? All I’m hearing is that there are outdoor activities and non-religious seminars, as long as there isn’t an underlying message to bear ill-will to Believers, I see NOTHING wrong with this!

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    • ChiefGeorge
      Posted on July 27, 2011 at 6:43pm

      I guess we are worried of yet another toe hold of evil in America. Don’t be so readily to accept evil. Thats how we got here!

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    • ScienceIsNotEvil
      Posted on July 27, 2011 at 8:56pm

      ChiefGeorge,

      So I am evil because I am an atheists? Would you kill me as your bible instructs you too if given the chance?

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    • Underground Man
      Posted on July 28, 2011 at 9:23am

      SCIENCEISNOTEVIL: The Bible does not instruct Jesus’ followers to “kill” those who oppose them. That is nonsense. Christ said that his disciples were to pray for their enemies and do good to those who persecute them; he restored the severed ear of one of the soldier’s who came along with Judas Iscariot to the garden to arrest him — after Peter had taken up arms to protect him. Paul said the Christian should not battle with flesh and blood, but against destructive ideas and spiritual darkness.

      This place seems like nothing but a quasi-religious camp where atheist adults instruct the children of other atheists that they are intellectually superior to the silly, gullible, anti-scientific children of theist adults. It‘s simply incredible that a kids’ camp would be based entirely on the premise that “God is not real” and their lives carry no objective purpose. How petty, pathetic, and sad.

      THEISTS WHO KEEP BASHING EVOLUTIONARY THEORY AND ACTING LIKE ANYONE WHO ISN’T A FUNDAMENTALIST PROTESTANT CHRISTIAN IS A SATAN-WORSHIPER: Give it a rest. Christian faith and evolutionary theory are not at odds. Stop trying to make evolution seem absurd and claiming that all it takes is a little common sense to disprove it — Neo-Darwinism makes perfect sense, and it is evidenced by various disciplines. Theologians have rejected naively literalistic interpretations of Genesis, chs. 1-11, for completely non-scientific reasons many, MANY centuries before Charles Darwin ever came on

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    • ScienceIsNotEvil
      Posted on July 28, 2011 at 10:23pm

      Underground Man,

      Yes it does.

      If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant; 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; 17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel; 17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.

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  • cykoaudio
    Posted on July 27, 2011 at 5:57pm

    if this isn’t indoctrination,I don’t know what is..they have 11/12 yr. olds going home thinking that because they don’t participate in religion they are “freethinking” & their religious friends are not “freethinking”,or naturalistic..it’s ridiculous and borders on the worst type of cults,anti-religious cults..they try to get kids early on with fun stuff,like sports/swimming,and then teach them,way before they were ready to think about it,that if you don’t like religion,you are an independent thinker,and all your silly friends who pray and go to church are supposedly not thinking freely or independently..AT 10 years ofd?? yes thats indoctrinating little kids,like Hitler did to young kids,sway their brains away from religion w/sports/fun activities and “naturalist/humanist“ ”free thinking”,its not free if your being brainwashed AWAY from religion,it’ll cost you something priceless,your soul

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    • dissentnow
      Posted on July 27, 2011 at 6:04pm

      That’s not what Hitler did. Did you go to Beck University?

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    • sisserydoo
      Posted on July 27, 2011 at 6:34pm

      Disentnow, Hitler totally indoctrinated kids. That’s what the German school system was all about. Here’s a lovely quote by him to clarify his point of view, “When an opponent declares, ‘I will not come over to your side, ‘I calmly say, ‘Your child belongs to us already…What are you? You will pass on. Your decendants, however, now stand in the new camp. In a short time they will know nothing but this new community.”

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    • GABOB
      Posted on July 27, 2011 at 7:23pm

      @Dissent:

      Yes, hilter brainwashed children, along with most of the adults. Read, read, read,

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    • dissentnow
      Posted on July 27, 2011 at 7:24pm

      Of course Hitler indoctrinated children but not in the way that the above post mentioned.

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    • Trance
      Posted on July 27, 2011 at 8:16pm

      Who doesn‘t indoctrinate their children except parents who don’t care?

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    • woodyl1011fl
      Posted on July 28, 2011 at 9:32am

      @dissentnow
      That is exactly what Hitler did! You liberals/naturalist/Marxists are the most historically illiterate people on the planet! People who survived national socialism and were children forced into the Hitler youth will tell you that it was total indoctrination into socialist philosophy, evolution, atheism and hatred for Jews, Christians like Bonheoffer and others who did not subscribe to the socialist worldview. Hitler/Stalin/Mao didn’t take the children’s or adult’s religion away from them they just substituted another religious worldview for them to believe. Which is what these camps are about and they are merely an extension the curriculum philosophy of our own government run “educational institutions” at all levels.

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    • dissentnow
      Posted on July 28, 2011 at 6:25pm

      I’m actually a libertarian, not a liberal. Good job assuming, though. I never said that Hitler didn’t indoctrinate. To compare the atheist camp to the Hitler youth, which is what i was replying to, is disgusting.

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  • cookcountypatriot
    Posted on July 27, 2011 at 5:56pm

    im sorry i dont beleive in athiests….thank god

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  • FoxholeAtheist
    Posted on July 27, 2011 at 5:56pm

    What wonderful children. These bright young minds will lead the way into the future for the benefit of all of us.

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    • janalee
      Posted on July 27, 2011 at 6:07pm

      That “future” could be straught to Hell…..there might just be a Hell fo those who deny Jesus/God but it‘s a chance you take isn’t it….quite a dumb one…. if you lose;whereas,I have nothing to lose by believing.One of us might be saying to the other one… “I told you so” in the near future!

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    • FoxholeAtheist
      Posted on July 27, 2011 at 6:25pm

      So you are believing because you are afraid to question? Afraid to not believe? What happened to questioning with boldness the very existence of god? Or are you a “just in case” Xtian, believing in god just in case he is real? In that case, it is a losing bet because that god might not be a Xtian god. Or if he is and is as great as you claim, he would surely know YOUR heart and know you to be a coward full of secret doubt and false witness.

      These children are being taught to think for themselves. Something you should take a lesson from.

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    • FoxholeAtheist
      Posted on July 27, 2011 at 6:38pm

      If on the very extremely slim chance there might a god and I meet it or them or her or him when I die, I have quite a list of complaints for it. What has it done that would make me want to get on my knees in front of it in the first place? I never asked for any of this. How dare it use fear to try to control me. How dare it claim to be so great yet not quite great enough to save innocent men, women, and children from starvation and torture. How dare it ‘create’ me knowing full well that I would turn on it and denounce it every chance I got and then send me to burn for it. Who is it make any demands from me? How dare it try to use fear tactics and passive aggressive behavior to try to control me. If it is real, it has no compassion and is unworthy of my respect and adoration. If it does exist, I have nothing to say to it but expletives.
      What you don’t understand is that it is not real. The beauty and mystery of the world is just nature and science is the most grand and wonderful thing in the universe. I feel sad for you all because there is so much knowledge to uncover but you people just sit there with your outdated god of the gaps, because you don’t understand it. Your life is wasted on fear and religion and ignorance. I wish you would open your eyes and look around and see how beautiful it is, how beautiful people can be, and how wonderful inquisitive these children are. They are going to make a great place even better.

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    • eagle2715
      Posted on July 27, 2011 at 6:48pm

      “I feel sad for you all because there is so much knowledge to uncover but you people just sit there with your outdated god of the gaps, because you don’t understand it. Your life is wasted on fear and religion and ignorance…….”

      You have got to be one of the best examples of how arogance and ignorance go hand in hand.

      I’m regretting on doing “mine is bigger than yours”, but here it goes…

      I would be willing to bet that I understand more about the natural world, physics, philosophy, mathematics, sociology, and geography than you do.

      Your hatred for religion blinds you to a whole spectacle of people and cultural understanding. That leads me to believe you feel the same about other things you see as trivial or silly. I’m not a church go’er, but I am spiritual. I love to question my surroundings and spend every day I can trying to prove one way or the other various things.

      You sir do not have an open mind, period. You don’t have to believe in any god, but the very fact that you say it is impossible for there to be one shows that you dismiss things at hand. That’s the exact opposite of science.

      No sir, you are the one most of us feel sad for. We are happy in our lives and what we choose to do. And we let others do what they like to. You however do not, and will always be an angry hateful person who is made miserable by your surroundings….

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    • Apologist
      Posted on July 27, 2011 at 6:53pm

      Dude, why all the angst? You feeling uncomfortable with your beliefs (or lack there of)?

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    • beckwasfox
      Posted on July 27, 2011 at 6:54pm

      So basically you are saying good is evil and evil is good? You are are grateful for creation but would curse the creator. The evil in this world comes from those of us that serve Satan. I hope for your sake you aren’t knowingly making that choice. I pray for you.

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    • FoxholeAtheist
      Posted on July 27, 2011 at 7:11pm

      Eagle, you have obviously not questioned enough, maybe you asked the wrong questions, or maybe the ‘right’ ones that you have been conditioned to ask. Am I angry? You bet, but not at a non-existent god. I’m frustrated with the level of ignorance in this society that we free-thinkers have to contend with on a daily basis, mostly from our politicians who think the world is only a few thousand years old and if god put it here, how could we possibly destroy it; or those who have no business sitting on a board of education yet who want to include their own version of non-scientific dogma in a science class. Mostly I‘m frustrated with people who go about their lives day in and day out who don’t want to be bothered and who “just want to be left alone to worship how they please” yet have no problems imposing their own beliefs upon others. The armchair Xtians. The ones who sit at their armchairs every night watching Fox and believing they are fully informed while their heads are filled with bigoted misinformation about everything from the EPA to global warming to brown skinned people of another equally ignorant faith. So yes, I am a bit frustrated.

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    • FoxholeAtheist
      Posted on July 27, 2011 at 7:16pm

      “Isn’t it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?”

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    • eagle2715
      Posted on July 27, 2011 at 7:30pm

      “Isn’t it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?”

      It is. In fact it’s often better that way.

      And anyone who uses religion to say light doesn’t travel 186,000km/s in a vacuum, dinosaurs weren’t here, or that the world was created a few thousand years ago is an idiot. But they are not an idiot because of their religion, they are just ignorant idiots.

      It’s no different than the folks who tie themselves to trees to save the forest, people who bomb pipelines to stop CO2 emissions, or claim the next ice age is coming because of a hockey stick(sarcasm).

      Stupid people look for reason’s to justify their stupidity; it’s not Christianities fault, or Judaism, Hinduism, Taoism, or even Islam….It’s easier to be ignorant than informed, and even easier when someone enables that. Karl Marx knew this well…

      Remember, the Big Bang Theory was first proposed by a Catholic Priest and dismissed by Einstein…Darwin was a very religious man, and so was Galileo.

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    • FoxholeAtheist
      Posted on July 27, 2011 at 7:30pm

      All I’m saying is that if there is a god, and that is a mighty big ‘if’, it hasn’t done anything to deserve my respect. Not one thing. I am surprised that the people here, who pride themselves so much on independence and being free from tyranny would bow so quickly to something that has never really shown anything other than imperfection, wrath, jealousy, vengeance, greed, and all the other faults of human beings.
      You bow and grovel because you are conditioned to do it and individually, you are the only one who does it correctly. No one else knows how to really do it but you. The guy in Norway wasn‘t a ’true’ Xtian, just like there are no ‘true’ Scotsmen. You each have your own individual yardstick, that no one else can quite measure up to.

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    • eagle2715
      Posted on July 27, 2011 at 7:34pm

      I agree that creationism shouldn’t be taught in grade school. Mostly because the philosophical implications and science that is being argued is way beyond the level of even high school students, and it can start to wade into the area of Ron L Hubbard crap and the spaceships junk that all the movie stars follow….

      But religion should be taught in school. Not as a requirement of you should be religious person, or pray 5 times a day, but as a history of humankind. All of man’s history has been driven by religion, and you can’t fully understand why people made decisions or did the things they did without understanding everything about them…INCLUDING RELIGION…..

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    • FoxholeAtheist
      Posted on July 27, 2011 at 7:34pm

      Eagle, please turn off Fox.

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    • eagle2715
      Posted on July 27, 2011 at 7:46pm

      FOX? WTF does that have to do with anything I’ve said?

      And don’t lump me in with the religious. They want less to do with me than I do them. I despise almost all organized religion for how it has been corrupted by people.

      And deny it all you want, the green movement, atheism, veganism….it’s all a religion in some form or another. And people use it as an excuse to do stupid and hateful things. The large religions have just had a lot of practice at it over the last few thousand years….

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    • FoxholeAtheist
      Posted on July 27, 2011 at 7:48pm

      It‘s almost as if you’re parroting Fox.

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    • eagle2715
      Posted on July 27, 2011 at 7:54pm

      …..ok…

      your parroting MSNBC……. ( I have no proof of this and have no idea, but it sounds about as good as your statement….

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    • Mary M. Tebbe
      Posted on July 27, 2011 at 8:45pm

      foxholeatheist: We are not “afraid” to question. I have had an inquisitive mind all my life. I have also experienced the supernatural many times, and so I cannot deny God exists. Once we accept Christ by faith, the Holy Spirit leads us to all truth. You cannot experience that without having faith. We have a free will…of course we question for ourselves.
      There will not be a “slim chance” there is a God, as you put it. There is most definitely a God. When you meet Him, if you do not know Him before you die, He will be at your judgment day and your list of complaints will mean absolutely nothing to Him. Your knee will automatically bow because you will know exactly who He is. He will condemn you to a life of torment. Your writings show a most arrogant and egotistical human being.
      The evils you attribute to God here are really the attributes of satan, for satan comes to kill, steal, and destroy. God/Jesus come to give life, and that life in abundance. Satan has lied to you, and in all your questioning you have entertained the wrong Spirit being, unknowingly. You have been, as they say, hoodwinked.
      You verify here that the atheist HATES God, because you say yourself that this God knows full well that you would turn on Him and DENOUNCE Him every chance you got. What you fail to realize is that your hatred, your fear, is characteristic of satan. You also adore Creation, but you do not know the architect of Creation which is amazing to me.

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    • sisserydoo
      Posted on July 27, 2011 at 10:03pm

      @foxholeatheist
      “These children are being taught to think for themselves. Something you should take a lesson from.”

      I was taught to think for myself too, but came to a different conclusion than you. I bet you think I’m wrong just because of that. You sound like one of those people who thinks anyone who has a different belief system than you is wrong. That just makes you arrogant and egotistical, not an enlightened free-thinker.
      I grew up going to public school learning all about evolution, and not being able to mention God. Then I went to church for about two hours a week. I was aware at a very young age that the things I learned at school and the things I learned at church could not both be true. After many years of deliberation (about 10 years) I came to the conclusion that the church was right, and that God is right. God verified this to me one day at church when the verse Psalm 119:99 was read, and I knew it was read just for me.
      So…although I came to this conclusion myself, and was not indoctrinated, what do you think? Do you still think I’m an idiot? I’m betting you’ll say yes…

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    • Cesium
      Posted on July 27, 2011 at 10:58pm

      @Mary If you’re jewish nothing is “characteristic of satan.” So how can you conclude that in your response? You do know that christianity twisted the “character” of satan from the torah..such a silly story about an angel that places a wager with god… as if god was in disbelief of an outcome(Job’s) he would need to test it as if he was not “all knowing.” This is why religion will hopefully become a relic, The future in humanity is reason. If god exists, he,she,it exists there. My personal view is human consciousness is god, one need not look further to find it.. This view is also inherently jewish but christians are clueless about jewish views on god

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    • Mizurax
      Posted on July 28, 2011 at 12:47am

      Foxhole,
      You have clearly questioned the things that don’t make sense to you about God. But to truly seek the truth, you need to dig deeper. Have you questioned your own questions? You say that God deserves no respect because there are starving children in the world. Let me ask you this: Do you believe in free will? If so, could true free will exist without the presence of both good and evil in the world?

      My point is, it seems like good enough is good enough for you. But to truly reach a significant conclusion, you have to ask questions until there aren’t any more to ask. You’re not there yet. If you truly wish to question everything and come to your own “free-thinking” conclusion, then you have many more questions to ask.

      If you are interested in digging deeper, allow me to suggest a thinking man’s book: ‘The End of Reason’ by Ravi Zacharias. That book will really make you think.

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  • Finnuyasha
    Posted on July 27, 2011 at 5:55pm

    How did the article’s author get from the camp has “a variety of programs. There are informational lectures on world religions“ to ”further evidence that Atheism is, in its own regard, a “religion.” The premise of these institutions is to educate children about the tenants of non-belief.”?!?! I’ve been to a few church camps in my youth and we never discussed OTHER world religions, save for the mention of Judaism and Islam sharing the old testament with Christianity. I assume most readers here will think there is something horribly wrong with this camp, but personally I don’t see any harm. THIS IS AMREICA. Land of the Free, home of the Brave. Are we no longer brave enough to tolerate anyone holding views which oppose ours? Are others to be stripped of their freedoms to believe what they like and raise their children as they see fit? All I’m hearing is that there are outdoor activities and non-religious seminars, as long as there isn’t an underlying message to bear ill-will to Believers, I see NOTHING wrong with this!!!

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  • geonj
    Posted on July 27, 2011 at 5:55pm

    i hope one of those european ones wasn’t in norway.

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  • dissentnow
    Posted on July 27, 2011 at 5:55pm

    Parents have the right to send their kids to whatever kind of camp they want to. I’m sorry, but if creationist christians can send their kids to a camp that teaches that the earth is 7,000 years old and that man coexisted with dinosaurs, then why is a camp for atheists so controversial?

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    • WhiteFang
      Posted on July 27, 2011 at 6:03pm

      It is not controversial, it just is what it is. A godless themed camp for young skulls full of mush directed by godless thinking adults. If that is what you want for your children, then fine, live with the results you have instilled in them.

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    • dissentnow
      Posted on July 27, 2011 at 6:08pm

      The values that i have instilled in my children are just fine, thank you…..and i didn’t need a 2000 year old book of judaic folklore to do so.

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    • rvill0048
      Posted on July 27, 2011 at 6:11pm

      @ WHITEFANG. I grew up “ Godless ” and I can tell you right now, I grew up fine and respectful. So… I don’t know what you are getting at. Just because some people do not share your beliefs, doesn’t mean the results are going to be bad.

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    • WhiteFang
      Posted on July 27, 2011 at 6:20pm

      People may think they are just fine with not acknowledging our Creator and to live their lives independent of Him.
      But there are always consequences to every decision, some good, some bad.
      Psalms 2:1-12

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  • conservative_teacher
    Posted on July 27, 2011 at 5:53pm

    So let me get this straight: It’s “Okay” to send your kid to a bible camp to be indoctrinated into a particular religious dogma, but it’s some kind of heinous, traitorous, and generally immoral thing to send your kid to a camp free of religious chains and that encourages children to ask questions and think for themselves? Guess it’s true after all…the brainwashed do not know they are brainwashed.

    Here’s a little tip for all you bible-thumping “constitutional lovers”: This is America. It’s called freedom. It’s called freewill. If you are willing to decide what is morally right or wrong based solely on your religious beliefs, then guess what moron, you are absolutely NO DIFFERENT than the Sharia-adhering Muslims. Reject hypocrisy!

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    • Justin
      Posted on July 27, 2011 at 6:06pm

      Brilliant! Very well put.

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    • cktheman
      Posted on July 27, 2011 at 6:16pm

      Yes, it is freedom. Mankind has freewill granted to us by our creator, and that freewill includes the ability to make incorrect decisions. Some people have to hold incorrect positions in order to see why they are wrong, and some never figure it out. That’s just the way it is.

      Still, I think the camp sucks. I don’t get the athiest proselytizing going on right now, I fail to see what they personally have to gain – it’s not like Christians are telling them what to do.

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    • beckwasfox
      Posted on July 27, 2011 at 6:21pm

      I see this camp as a positive sign that the amoral atheist culture doesn‘t abort all of it’s offspring. The comments from the trolls that post here also convinces me that leftists haven’t “evolved” past the closeminded roots of Marx, Hitler and Stalin.

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    • dissentnow
      Posted on July 27, 2011 at 6:33pm

      @Beckwasfox

      You said..
      .
      “I see this camp as a positive sign that the amoral atheist culture doesn‘t abort all of it’s offspring. The comments from the trolls that post here also convinces me that leftists haven’t “evolved” past the closeminded roots of Marx, Hitler and Stalin.”

      So, who is the one being close-minded here?

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    • Cesium
      Posted on July 27, 2011 at 10:44pm

      well put CT.. I’m conservative in many ways… but many true right wing conservatives in this country want to brandish this country as “christian” when it is not.. I’m jewish(agnostic), 3rd generation american..thus, I am as American as apple pie! There is nothing christian about my family in the 110 years we’ve been here!.. As jews like all jews in the world we 100% reject christ and view the new testament as false. Yet, some-how so many have the audacity to call this a “christian nation.” We may be a nation of christians and it was a majority of christians that built this country, but what makes the US a free nation is that we are not a decidedly “christian nation.” We can’t be! We are a nation that gives freedom to practice all beliefs that are not harmful in anyway to others. None of those beliefs shall migrate into our constitution. If islam is practiced to attain sharia, then that is a threat to our doctrine. I see enough bigoted rightwing /neo-nazi esque types who espouse our country is run by Jews! so then I guess by that account we are a “jewish country” … remember many of our founders were deists, not christ obsessives… If a group promoting critical thinking is their choice of introspection and moral direction, it is to be respected.

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    • On The Silent Wings Of Freedom
      Posted on July 28, 2011 at 6:59am

      CT: “the brainwashed do not know they are brainwashed.”

      That applies quite handily to your mindset.

      CT: “Here’s a little tip for all you bible-thumping “constitutional lovers”

      I have not yet read a reference to the U.S. Constitution in these postings – or the claim from anyone here that they use a copy of The Bible as a drum pad.

      CT: “If you are willing to decide what is morally right or wrong based solely on your religious beliefs, “

      You’ve created your own straw man, the person who relies “solely on (your) religious beliefs” Even those of faith have the ability to make moral decisions using other criteria, and quite often do. Do you think that the concepts of murdering, stealing etc. would be accepted as moral and righteous by people of Judeo-Christian faith if they weren’t discussed in The Bible? Really?

      CT: “then guess what moron, you are absolutely NO DIFFERENT than the Sharia-adhering Muslims. Reject hypocrisy!”

      So, let me get this straight – you are attempting to equate a religion that encourages the subjugation of women, including mutilation, with Judeo-Christian religions and the values they promote, because of your myopic understanding of the thought processes of people’s moral judgments? And you consider those that don’t hold your uninformed view to be “moron”s?

      Reject hypocrisy indeed.

      You really are going to teach those rotten conservatives a thing or two (about your lack of knowledge and insight)

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  • Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
    Posted on July 27, 2011 at 5:53pm

    I know just how to handle this situation — send Pelosi and Reid to the camp, the meer sight of them will make a believer of anyone instantly; after all when you have seen the face of evil first hand, then the light is easier to discern from God.

    I hope for the children they retain enough freedom of thought and curiosity to someday make up their own minds free of the opinions of anyone else in the matters of faith. And with them, I mean by faith, the matter THEY decide to believe in or not to, hopefully it will be with Jesus and God.

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  • WhiteFang
    Posted on July 27, 2011 at 5:52pm

    Well, isn’t this just dandy….let’s have fun making fun of our Grand Creator.

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    • Audacity of The Infidel
      Posted on July 27, 2011 at 5:59pm

      The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn’t exist.

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    • Chrono_Sleuth
      Posted on July 27, 2011 at 6:08pm

      Well, nothing inherently wrong with Atheism, but this does take things a step too far by pushing atheism with an insistence on their position being superior and their intelligence being higher. Teaching kids how to think is actually more dangerous than teaching them what to think. We all are born with the inherent notion of free thinking. Education always seeks to adapt the how, which is a form of indoctrination. So in essence, this camp is entirely self-defeating if any of those counselors actually think they’re doing these children a favour.

      I remember summer camp. No religious discussion, there was a morning prayer, but no one was forced to participate, just be present. The was no indoctrination of any kind. We were pretty much given schedules of activities, but they remains those activities, no implications or pressures. I’m rather disgusted. I’ve even been to Christian camps and Jewish camps, and aside from morning prayers, and maybe a talk from a minister, or a rabbi…there was no indoctrination, it was still plain ‘ol summer camp.

      This actually reminds me of the stories of how hitler youth camps were setup and run. Every activity was designed around slow methodical indoctrination to think as the nazi party wanted. Granted there won’t be any discussions of killing people but it is almost as insidious.

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    • mossbrain
      Posted on July 27, 2011 at 6:48pm

      The grand creator, you speak of Beelzebub correct?

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    • Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
      Posted on July 27, 2011 at 7:53pm

      @Audacity of the Infidel — Often the easiest way to hide something is to display it out in the open for all to see and get use to; make it part of the scenery and no one soon pays attention to it.

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    • ScienceIsNotEvil
      Posted on July 27, 2011 at 9:00pm

      WhiteFang,

      If kids starving to death doesn’t upset your god nothing will.

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    • WhiteFang
      Posted on July 28, 2011 at 1:16am

      ScienceIsNotEvil,
      The condition of the human family with sickness, hunger, crime, corruption is the fault of and rests on the shoulders of mankind himself. Your blaming of God for societies evils is misplaced. Would you blame God for a drug addict committing suicide or would you blame the drug addict? How about a corrupt bunch of pirates storming a ship and killing the crew? Is that God’s fault or is it the fault of disobedience, sin and corruption of the pirates?
      We all have a choice to be good or bad and how we choose will affect the lives of others for good or bad. So stop blaming God and focus on the real criminal, Satan – 1 John 5:19

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    • SovereignSoul
      Posted on July 28, 2011 at 2:21am

      Is WHITEFANG saying that starving children have a choice?

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    • Old Truckers
      Posted on July 28, 2011 at 12:50pm

      Sovereignsoul,

      Whitefang said: “We all have a choice to be good or bad and how we choose will affect the lives of others for good or bad. So stop blaming God and focus on the real criminal, Satan – 1 John 5:19″

      In other words, the children starve because of the sins of society. Since God does not sin, there has to be a Causer of all this agony and that Cause is Satan who manipulates mankind and events to cause people like you to be hoodwinked into believing it is God’s fault. Get educated!

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    • ScienceIsNotEvil
      Posted on July 28, 2011 at 10:24pm

      Old Truckers,

      If I let a child die when I can save that child at no cost to myself have I acted in an immoral fashion?

      If you answer yes think about it again.

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    • Old Truckers
      Posted on July 28, 2011 at 11:12pm

      ScienceIsNotEvil,

      I am not going to answer such a stupid question. What are you, twelve years old?

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    • SovereignSoul
      Posted on July 30, 2011 at 7:00pm

      Why is that a stupid question?

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  • jakartaman
    Posted on July 27, 2011 at 5:50pm

    Not a problem w/me – Knock yourselves out if it works for you!
    just reciprocate and leave me and my beliefs alone

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  • NSDQ
    Posted on July 27, 2011 at 5:49pm

    I dont believe in Atheists

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  • NILAP
    Posted on July 27, 2011 at 5:49pm

    Kids need a break from school and God too. This is a good thing.

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    • janalee
      Posted on July 27, 2011 at 6:14pm

      Not many kids have ever BEEN with God!….they don’t need a camp to go to to be Godless.

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    • Shiroi Raion
      Posted on July 27, 2011 at 8:12pm

      I’m an Atheist and I find this deplorable. You can’t seriously believe this is a break from God. This is all about God. It’s obviously an attempt to get kids to reject God. It’s having them spend time focusing on trying to prove the non-existence of unicorns, big foot (in other words God) and “being TOLD religious beliefs hinder moral behavior” (hypocrisy – they also said they weren’t being told what to think.)
      Liberals claim this is about “free-thinking,” but it’s about indoctrination. I’m an atheist, but I believe that people should be able to choose for themselves. I went to churches as a child and I obviously wasn’t indoctrinated into any faith. I chose for myself. These people are trying to choose for them and are being dishonest about what they’re doing. The last place to send a child is to a group of untrustworthy adults.
      When I went to churches, no one told me what to think; they told me what they believed and they let me decide for myself. These Secularists are pushing their beliefs on children. As an atheist, I don’t believe in a God, reincarnation, spirits, but I don’t try to force my opinion on anyone.
      Darwin’s theory is still just a theory. No one has proven evolution to be true. Liberals have no more a right to force Darwin‘s theory down anyone’s throat than anyone else has to force religion on them. ALTHOUGH, Liberals will defend Muslim extremists and Secularists while attacking Christians and Jews. Such hypocritical “free-thinkers.”

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    • joel228
      Posted on July 28, 2011 at 3:31am

      Well said Shiroi Raion. I respect your belief and non belief. But watch out that kind of honest reasoning may eventually cause diety to touch your heart and mind in another way. Then you would not be able to argue from the standpoint of a good and honest atheist.

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  • Uncurable wound
    Posted on July 27, 2011 at 5:48pm

    They will call evil -good,and good -evil
    That we should live to see such times…

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  • Gonzo
    Posted on July 27, 2011 at 5:45pm

    While at camp, I hope the children enjoy nature…that GOD CREATED!

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    • commonsenseguy
      Posted on July 27, 2011 at 5:50pm

      and the birds,fish,bugs,spiders and ticks, along with poison ivy and snakes.the stars,moon,sun and the air.

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    • commonsenseguy
      Posted on July 27, 2011 at 5:51pm

      o and the most important thing of all their life, unless that are test tube babies.

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    • LOOKING_BOTH_WAYS
      Posted on July 27, 2011 at 6:13pm

      many of my friends are Pagans. and they enjoy everything that God Created

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