Dutch Classify High-Potency Marijuana as Hard Drug Alongside Cocaine, Ecstasy
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AMSTERDAM (The Blaze/AP) — The Dutch government said Friday it would move to classify high-potency marijuana alongside hard drugs such as cocaine and ecstasy, the latest step in the country’s ongoing reversal of its famed tolerance policies.
The decision means most of the cannabis now sold in the Netherlands’ weed cafes would have to be replaced by milder variants. But skeptics said the move would be difficult to enforce, and that it could simply lead many users to smoke more of the less potent weed.
Possession of marijuana is technically illegal in the Netherlands, but police do not prosecute people for possession of small amounts, and it is sold openly in designated cafes. Growers are routinely prosecuted if caught.
Economic Affairs Minister Maxime Verhagen said weed containing more than 15 percent of its main active chemical, THC, is so much stronger than what was common a generation ago that it should be considered a different drug entirely.
The high potency weed has “played a role in increasing public health damage,” he said at a press conference in The Hague.
The Cabinet has not said when it will begin enforcing the rule.
Jeffrey Parsons, a psychologist at Hunter College in New York who studies addiction, said the policy may not have the benefits the government is hoping for.
“If it encourages smoking an increased amount of low-concentration THC weed, it is likely to actually cause more harm than good,” he said, citing the potential lung damage and cancer-causing effects of extra inhalation.
The Dutch Justice Ministry said Friday it was up to cafes to regulate their own products and police will seize random samples for testing.
But Gerrit-Jan ten Bloomendal, spokesman for the Platform of Cannabis Businesses in the Netherlands, said implementing the plan would be difficult “if not impossible.”
“How are we going to know whether a given batch exceeds 15 percent THC? For that matter, how would health inspectors know?” he said. He predicted a black market will develop for highly potent weed.
The ongoing Dutch crackdown on marijuana is part of a decade-long rethink of liberalism in general that has seen a third of the windows in Amsterdam’s famed prostitution district shuttered and led the Netherlands to adopt some of the toughest immigration rules in Europe.
The number of licensed marijuana cafes has been reduced, and earlier this year the government announced plans to ban tourists from buying weed. That has been resisted by the city of Amsterdam, where the marijuana cafes known euphemistically as “coffee shops” are a major tourist draw.
Marjan Heuving of the Netherlands’ Trimbos Institute, which studies mental health and addiction, said there is a growing body of evidence that THC causes mental illnesses.
She said it stands to reason “the more THC the body takes in, the more the impact.” But it has not been demonstrated scientifically that high THC weed is worse for mental health, she said.
Parsons of Hunter College said it remains difficult to be sure whether marijuana causes mental problems or whether people predisposed to, say, depression seek it out as a form of self-medication.
The Trimbos Institute says the average amount of THC in Dutch marijuana is currently around 17.8 percent. It has been declining since 2004 after increasing steadily from 4 percent or so in the 1970s.
By comparison, in the United States the average level of THC in marijuana is around 10 percent and rising, according to the last measure released by the Office of National Drug Control Policy in 2009.
Heuving agreed with Ten Bloomendal that determining THC levels outside of a laboratory setting would prove difficult, as exact content varies widely from batch to batch and even within a single plant.
“I don’t know of any home test,” she said. “How this is going to work in practical terms, I have no idea.”
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Comments (106)
LibzLie
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 8:44amDo not care how much alcohol or pot a person consumes. I do care when those actions endanger me or my family. I also do not like having to support the high percentage of pot heads who are lazyclowns living in their mothers basement. These fools try to defend their actions by saying it is better than alcohol. BS, it is different but the end results are destructive for so many. It does not make you the smartest person in the room,although that may be true when getting high with your friends. Instead the odds are it will Mostly make you worthless, MOSTLY!
Report Post »Drslot
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 9:13amThe cartels have no debt. They have truckloads of cash. We will continue to spend billions of dollars to confiscate a few percent of drugs coming over the border. Don’t forget all the farms in the National Forests and elsewhere. Remember prohibition? The mob got rich off that, the corrupt politicians realized they just gave away their money factory. They learned that all the untraceable money is in the black market. They know they have to keep drugs illegal and on the black market if they want to skim cash. Just like Vietnam, a money factory. Same with Iraq, Afghanistan and especially the drug war.
The progressives have brainwashed most people into believing that drug dealers hang out in front of the schools selling drugs to third graders. If drugs were legalized, all that black market cash goes to American businesses. Have a beer and a glass of wine with your dinner and like it or not, you are using a very dangerous and addictive drug. That doesn’t bother you, so why does it bother you if your neighbor lights up a big fat joint? He or she bought that joint from someones business, not the cartels.
Breathing exhaust fumes and driving in your car is dangerous to your health. Legalizing drugs does not make people use them, just like alcohol. I used to drink, now I have to take medications that don’t go well with alcohol. I smoke a big joint a few times a year and I don’t miss beer at all. I fund the cartels, not the liquor stores. Next year, the DEA will spend billio
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 9:43amI am wondering how the authorities can differentiate between the mild and the strong? Do they have to smoke some to tell?
Report Post »RavenGlenn
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 10:08am@ LIBZLIE
You should watch Penn and Teller’s Bull****. They do an entire episode on the war on drugs and show a guy who receives a lifetime supply of marijuana from the US government. He smokes something like 10 a day.
You know what he does? He’s a highly successful stock broker. But wait! I thought smoking weed made you useless! Nope…you know what the weed does for him? Keeps his bone cancer under control so he can continue to live his life.
Report Post »Ruler4You
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 10:24amI just spent the last month in Holland and this isn’t even a story there. Pot isn‘t in ’jeopardy’ of being made illegal. There is almost no notice that it’s going on at all. Story is hype.
Report Post »TurboTimmy
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 11:24amI am a proud vaporizor and work my 40hr a week job until crunch time approaches, then its 80-90hrs. I pay my taxes, bills, and support my family. I help my kids with their homework and never get behind the wheel, after vaping. I just wind down after a hard days work after the kids are in bed. Who are you calling lazy? The most dangerous thing in regards to weed are the laws.
Now, if we can get people to read their script bottles and not drive, that would be grest.
Report Post »BigGoliath
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 8:34amLegalize it ALL. Pharmaceutical grade drugs for all. Give me the tax revenue, and the massive amount of jobs that that industry would create, followed by the colapse of the drug cartels and all the other illeagal BS. The Dutch almost got it right. I am a capitalist… Beer, Wine, and Whiskey are no different….Show me a way to make a better product at a better price with a better way to market, and I will show you a real American.
Report Post »demint.disciple
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 8:56amEEErrrr!! Yes the U.S.A would look great with a bunch of heroin addicts walking around as the norm, just as long as BigGoliath is a wealthy business man..Let me guess, a Ron Paul supporter ? You don’t even know how stupid you sound.. Otherwise you never would’ve posted such a ridiculous comment..
Report Post »Itchee Dryback
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 10:08amDelusional.
Report Post »KidCharlemagne
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 9:59amdemint.disciple
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 8:56am
EEErrrr!! Yes the U.S.A would look great with a bunch of heroin addicts walking around as the norm,
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Are you admitting that you would use heroin if it were legal?
Report Post »The Bushmaster
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 8:32amThere are two things that keep me from smoking the weed and only two. 1st is here in Michigan if you are caught with so much as a seed in your possession anywhere you lose your drivers license for 6 months whether driving under influence or not. 2nd is that I need clean urine to get and keep a job. If not for these reasons I’d burn down the house every single day for the rest of my life. I for one am growing tired of all you self righteous ass holes that think you know what;s best for the rest of us Americans.
Report Post »Chuck Stein
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 1:06pmAs regards the second reason – do you think an employer should not be free to require employees to not use drugs?
Report Post »BigGoliath
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 8:20amLegalize ALL of it…the Dutch have it almost right….legalize it ALL. I want people to be able to access any drug like they access Beer, Wine, and Whiskey. I want Pharmaceutical grade drugs made in the US by US workers in a US factory with USDA approval and paying US taxes. Just cause its legal doesnt mean everybody is gonna do it….but it would certainly wreck the international drug cartels. Privatize it and watch the Capitalist’s go to work.
Report Post »TxMadMac
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 7:55amI usually pray for lost souls. It’s only when they get out on the streets or freeways when they are drunk or high and kill innocent people that i curse them and wish the laws were stricter so to lock them up for life if they kill someone even on the first offence. If that’s what you people want to do, then party on, but stay the he!! off the roads.I don’t care if you kill yourselves with an overdose, all you defenders of drug usage. It’s your trip, have a nice one. Just know this, you’ll be devistating all those who love you !
Report Post »Charles
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 8:53amOverdose on weed? Doesn’t happen. Overdose on Budweiser Jack Daniels etc. etc. – all. the. time. The most likely cause of death or injury on the roads remains the legal stuff, but it is being caught up with by cell phone users texting and looking things up on the internet.
Report Post »demint.disciple
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 9:02am@Charles Death from heroin withdrawls ? Never happen .Death from Alcohol withdrawls ? happens all the time.. So what’s your point ? That pot is better than alcohol ? Because you can’t overdose on it ? WOW !! If you don’t believe me google it …
Report Post »Viking64
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 11:04amI like your post, it is always going to be told two ways ,by two different parties. I like reasonable use alcohol but there will always be many who destroy their own life and the lives of all who love them! .
Report Post »KidCharlemagne
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 10:04amdemint.disciple
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 9:02am
@Charles Death from heroin withdrawls ? Never happen .Death from Alcohol withdrawls ? happens all the time.. So what’s your point ? That pot is better than alcohol ?
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Are you suggesting that The Volstead Act be re-instituted once again?
That’s already been tried once and ended because of the sudden explosion of organized crime. If you were to bring it back today, then you’d better get used to living under martial law.
Report Post »jungle J
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 6:15amburnouts are as good as lazy monkeys in a zoo…theyare funny bust mostly useless.
Report Post »dirthead1986
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 5:28amYou know what if I want to smoke pot i will and i do and if you don’t like it go F!ck yourself.
Report Post »decendentof56
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 6:55amDirthead….
Report Post »Smoke as much POT as you want. I don’t care. Just don’t get behind the wheel and smoke any of my family members, or I‘ll be smok’in you.
SamIamTwo
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 7:09amHave you seen a pot head (just pot and only pot) drive? They definitely drive slower than a drunk…LOL
It’s too intense so they have to drive slow. hahahaha
Report Post »demint.disciple
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 9:06am@decendentof56.. Why even reply to Dirthead ? Look at his comment, you can’t even understand it. It’s like one big sentence with no punctuation.. Must be from all the pot he has smoked over the years..
Report Post »Fella
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 3:07am“The House Judiciary Committee passed a bill yesterday that would make it a federal crime for U.S. residents to discuss or plan activities on foreign soil that, if carried out in the U.S., would violate the Controlled Substances Act (CSA) — even if the planned activities are legal in the countries where they’re carried out.The new law, sponsored by Judiciary Committee Chairman Rep. Lamar Smith (R-Texas) allows prosecutors to bring conspiracy charges against anyone who discusses, plans or advises someone else to engage in any activity that violates the CSA, the massive federal law that prohibits drugs like marijuana and strictly regulates prescription medication.”
“Under this bill, if a young couple plans a wedding in Amsterdam, and as part of the wedding, they plan to buy the bridal party some marijuana, they would be subject to prosecution,” said Bill Piper, director of national affairs for the Drug Policy Alliance”
Why hasn’t this story made it to the Blaze yet?
Report Post »Locked
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 4:36amBecause The Blaze is vehemently socially conservative. If you use drugs, you’re a failure and a drain on society… according to those who preach laissez-faire but don’t actually ascribe to it.
Report Post »billwhit1357
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 5:37amSo, say, if on Facebook, I post photos of plants I have grown, in a foreign country, then the US can prosecute me for growing cannabis in another country, even though I have never brought any into America? They can kiss my American behind on that! I have smoked for over forty years, moved overseas, over twenty years ago, and grow my own. I own homes in three different countries, all from hard work, not dealing or any BS like that. I worked for the Feds for over twenty years, smoked the whole time, considered myself a Democrat all my life, until Obama came along. I was used to Leaders, not Blamers, and all I heard from his lips was BS and Lies, so I guess I am not Conservative, but a bad one, since I think God’s Gift of Cannabis should be legal everywhere! I will never stop using, they can put me in prison, but it is my medication. I have not taken so much as an aspirin in over twenty years. I have had a back operation, Hep C, and a liver transplant, but only take anti-rejection meds for the liver, nothing else, except something that God called GOOD, all that he put here on earth, and cannabis was one of them! It is natural, not manmade! The gov needs to grow up!
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 6:34amOh, I didn’t notice. Do you have a link for that story or a bill number so that we can verify it? It‘s possible that the Blaze hasn’t covered it because it isn’t factual.
Report Post »Kohanaone
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 10:25amThe bill that passed the House subcommittee is HB 313 Drug Trafficking Safe Harbor Elimination Act of 2011. The Constitutional Authority Statement cites, you guessed it, the Commerce Clause
Report Post »The Third Archon
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 2:43amLet‘s not waste government’s time with personal decisions–people who smoke pay more for healthcare via insurance, or directly. Done and done. If you can do other things and use drugs it shouldn’t make any difference–many of them are, or stimulate, natural chemicals in your brain which is what you experience. Your brain is literally an electro-chemical computer of unimaginable complexity. There’s no extra special natural difference between the standards by which you would judge medicine and food as for some conventionally considered “drugs”–nature doesn’t suggest such an objective categorical distinction.
Report Post »loriann12
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 6:58amI would like to see just one study that proves marijuana causes cancer. My DOCTOR said there are none. They may have also smoked cigerettes but smoking marijuana alone does not cause cancer.
Report Post »demint.disciple
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 9:11amYes, because all that smoke that is held in twice as long and has twice a much tar as a cigarette couldn’t possible do you any harm…right ?
Report Post »The Third Archon
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 8:03pmWell it can because of the ammonia in the smoke, and obviously smoke itself has carcinogenic agents…
That being said, you have literally a 100% of at least one of your organs eventually failing (cancer or otherwise) and as a consequence you dying. So…
Report Post »e4point
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 2:15amCan one person on her refer me to a story of someone dying of THC use? It’s never happened. Only Iibs get to make up facts, not us Republicans !!!! I don’t smoke but have no problem with people who do and have known many productive humans who smoke from time to time. Don’t judge so harshly unless you have facts to back up why you are so against something for gods sake. Only libs play on emotions or feelings.
Report Post »Libertarian B 4 Libertarians Were Cool
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 2:34amAgreed. I have never smoked pot, but as a libertarian I understand freedom. People own their bodies–so by definition should be able to use, control, and dispose of themselves as they see fit. Drug laws imply that the state owns you in some way. All drugs should be decriminalized in a free society. The Right is completely wrong on this issue!
Report Post »Locked
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 4:39amI agree with Libertarian. Marijuana may make you less productive… but no more than booze (and significantly less likely to get into fights!). I ascribe to the victimless crime line of reasoning… you want to poison yourself? You’re welcome to it! As long as you don’t expect me to pay for it as one of the 53% who pay income taxes.
Report Post »Libertybell2012
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 9:05amYou guys are distorting the truth..I know quite a few people that use THC and they are BUMS…they have NO aspiration in getting a JOB..NO aspiration in being a part of society…and how do you know that somone driving UNDER the influence of THC didn’t sit there and giggle themselves to death after a car accident…http://alcoholism.about.com/b/2003/11/02/marijuana-causes-many-deaths-reported-as-accidents.htm
Report Post »demint.disciple
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 9:14am@e4point. .Marijuana is dangerous and it kills: it is a leading cause of injury crashes.
Report Post »Sure, marijuana may have never killed anyone as proponents often claim – just as a bottle of whiskey has never killed anyone. What kills people is when someone smokes the marijuana, drinks that bottle, or both at the same time, putting their own and the lives of many innocent people in critical danger. Here’s some examples of people killing and maiming others when under the influence of marijuana with or without combining with alcohol:
16 year old Teen Dies after Rolling Car off Cliff – Marijuana in System Studies indicate that the level of marijuana found in Ruxana’s blood would impair her driving ability, decrease her reaction time and decrease her motor skills, said Iain McIntyre, the forensic toxicology laboratory manager for the Medical Examiner’s Office.
Fella
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 11:50amIt’s impossible to have a rational discussion with these BIG GIANT GOVERNMENT conservatives that clamour for more laws, more prisons, more, more, more to save them from the big green boogey man. Nevermind the fact that the current system is a complete and total failure. It’s march on christian soldiers, we need to tell the world how to live! Now hand me a beer and lets get to turnin on Nascar sister wife! YEEEEHAAAAWWW
Report Post »Rightwingincollege
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 6:17pm@DEMINT.DECIPLE: I have many problems with the “facts” you believe as “true”. First, of course a bottle of whiskey has killed someone, try drinking 3 liters of JD and waking up in the morning, alcohol poisoning will disagree with that plan. Now I agree, driving while high is definitely dangerous, but couldn’t the argument be had that driving without proper sleep is not equally as dangerous? Driving even after one sleepless night, you will find you suffer the same deficits as the high person, only the high person will be aware of his deficit and compensate (http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn2063-alcohol-impairs-driving-more-than-marijuana.html). How many times do you hear on the news about someone killing themselves and others while asleep at the wheel. Do we have a test to see if you have slept and are safe on the road? Didn’t think so.
But beyond driving, how is my smoking harming you? Do guns kill people? No they don’t, people do, the case is the same for drugs. Drugs don’t harm society, unjust people do. I would argue that violence and unlawfulness that people attribute to marijuana use, is more from the gang aspect of the drug now, not the properties of the drug itself. I honestly believe legalization done correctly, would put gangs on their last leg. Being in a gang should make me a criminal, not lighting a specific plant part wrapped in dried wood pulp, and conveniently inhaling.
Report Post »Mizurax
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 5:27pm@Demint.Disciple “@e4point. .Marijuana is dangerous and it kills: it is a leading cause of injury crashes.”
Oh I see…. Have you ever heard the phrase, “Guns don’t kill people. People kill people.” ??? Do you disagree with this? According to your reasoning, guns should be outlawed because guns can kill people if misused. Alcohol should be outlawed because people can get drunk, drive a car, and kill someone. How are those different? If weed should be illegal because someone can misuse it and hurt someone, then should alcohol and guns? Hell, should we also make a law against owning a dog as a pet? Can’t a dog kill a child if provoked? Guess we shouldn’t have dogs for pets then, huh?
Unreal.
Report Post »Falsegods
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 2:02amSoros and the elite would love to see all the little people doped up and ready to serve the master .
Report Post »Fella
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 2:25amI swear, you brainwashed idiots can link everything to Soros. It’s like the most effective fearmongering I have ever seen in my life. Is it really too much for you beckerhead parrots to make an informed opinion on this subject without bringing your boogeyman into it? I got news for you, people from every walk of life use marijuana recreationly. And no matter how many laws you champions of big brother pass or how many people you throw in cells it wont change a damn thing.
Report Post »loriann12
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 7:07amNot all people who like Beck are drug free. I consider marijuana to be a plant. You do nothing more than dry it. You don’t have to soak it in gasoline, or whatever it is they do with the other drugs. There is no processing. Pick it, clip the leaves and dry it. You can use all of the plant. You can make butter out of the leaves and even throw seeds in for crunch. Watch The Hemp Revolution, Leaves of Green, High; the truth about marijuana in America.
Report Post »Constructionist
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 1:46amPersonally I’m afraid that if we legalized pot then young people would just become lazy, and sponge off their parents for years in college, and not find meaningful employment, and just hang out with their loser friends and protest our entire way of life in NYC because they think its cool…. oh, wait.
Report Post »demint.disciple
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 9:20amIt’s already like that legalized or not, where have you been ?
Report Post »demint.disciple
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 9:53amCase anyone was wondering I was being facetious as CONSTRUCTIONIST is… As I reread my comment it didn’t look the way I wrote and was thinking.. Anyway………….
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 1:39amHigh potency marijuana? Is that the kind that causes you to order two double cheese double pepperoni pizzas or something?
Report Post »chinqua
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 1:37amThis explains a lot . . . Nancy Pelosi, California, etc.
Report Post »INOGAWD
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 6:31amYea ! Pelosi, Piven, Boxer and Feinstien etc,etc…..
Report Post »all started on a corner in SF, in the 60′s, GAWD !!
Rev.sLeezy
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 1:32amHoly Smokes. >=17% THC sign me up. Less is more, more is less. Get off my back *******. What does it matter to you what I do? I don’t owe you a thing. Only not to harm you, I won’t. End the stupid WOD and feel the sigh of relief the people will feel. Feeling the freedom that they don’t have to watch the back for the Popo.
Report Post »Rev.sLeezy
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 1:41amHoly smokes. Sorry, I thought I could use that word. I heard it on TV tonight.
Report Post »kreese
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 1:48amGlad I didn’t another one like you in my classroom.
Report Post »loriann12
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 7:10am@kreese
“Glad I didn’t another one like you in my classroom.:
Holy smokes, he was more articulate than you were. What the heck did you mean by that?
Report Post »demint.disciple
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 9:23am@Rev.sLeezy …..LMFAO @ sorry I heard it on T.V tonight… That was funny..
Report Post »Fella
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 12:57amOf course conservatives will love this. Big government and legislated morality is what they are all about. Just dont take the booze away from the christians then you’ll have real problems.
Report Post »demint.disciple
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 9:29am@Fella.. HUH ? Conservatives are about big government ? I guess you can’t understand everything you read… You have that one totally backwards.. It’s you libs that love big government..
Report Post »Fella
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 11:20amNothing that I have said in this thread makes me a liberal, in fact, I’m a registered republican for the last 25 years. But if you actually think conservatives are for smaller government, well that just makes you an idiot. You are confusing campaign rhetoric with voting record.
Report Post »Cosmos102
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 12:39amRegular pot smokers will suffer brain damage. Why this isn’t discussed when talk of legalizing dope makes the airways. Cigarettes will cause lung cancer! Ohoooooo…. Pot will cause your brain to shrivel and turn you into a vegetable. Medical marijuana? What an oxymoron.
Report Post »Chuck Stein
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 12:50amAnd I am tired of subsidizing marijuana use! No one should be getting a government check if they fail a random drug test.
Report Post »Fella
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 1:04am@ Chuckstein Dont even try to pretend you care about fiscal responsibility. You are already paying billions to fuel a drug war that isn’t doing a damn thing to stop drugs from getting into the hands of people that want them. Prohibition has and never will work but keep on supporting that system of welfare for law enforcement, hipocrit.
Report Post »Rev.sLeezy
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 1:34amHoly Smokes. Why do you care? Beer anyone?
Report Post »Chuck Stein
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 2:29am@ Fella
Report Post »I’m trying to understand your critique of my comment. I understand your point that making drugs illegal presents the conditions for a black market and, concomitantly, the conditions for “the drug war.” Perhaps legalization could be the way to go — there are sound economic arguments to support it. Before I would seriously think of going there, though, I would strike at the demand for drugs. By stopping the government subsidy of illegal drugs, demand would diminish. Such course of action is very different from “the drug war” — where the supply of drugs is the target. If a drug user doesn’t want to be tested for drugs, then he just has to stop taking any government checks. As for your declaring me a hypocrite . . . ummm . . . how are you so sure that I use illegal drugs and take a government check?
Fella
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 2:55am@ Chuck First, “Republican Florida Gov. Rick Scott’s plan to test welfare recipients for drugs is costing the state money, despite his claims that the program would actually save tax dollars.”
Second, As for you being a hypocrit, it’s the same thing. Flushing tax dollars on a program that does nothing to address the real issue. Hence the welfare for law enforcement comment. Don’t whine about your tax dollars being wasted in one instance and not another.
Wait, are you making the claim that welfare recipients are the main cause for the demand of illegal drugs? You think that by testing welfare recipients it would even put a dent in the demand? Come on, man. Come on. I’m about to go all Hank Williams Jr. I dont even know how to respond to such nonsense.
Report Post »scarebear83
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 1:15pmWhat strikes me as odd are the people who say “if people want to do drugs they’ll do it so stop prosecuting and legalize it all.” However one forgets that the argument is lost right then and there. Do we stop prosecuting murderers because there’s always going to be murder? Do we say stop writing tickets for people who violate traffic laws simply because there will always be someone who breaks the law? Let‘s just stop having laws since obviously there’s always going to be someone to break them. See how silly it sounds? If you want to legalize marijuana you’re going to have to come up with a better argument than “there will always be people who want it/do it so let‘s legalize it cause prohibition doesn’t work.” There will always be people who decide to break the law somehow don’t try to relax or do away with laws based on that argument. It just doesn’t hold up.
Report Post »Fella
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 1:57pmNobody is advocating for legal murder. Where do you nutters come up with this ****? wow! The point is that if prosecuting and funding legislation based on morality does more harm to society than not we should start looking to address the problem in less costly and more effective ways. If you want to continue throwing money and lives down a hole and getting absolutely nothing in return, thats not fine with me.
Report Post »loriann12
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 4:02pmSmoking pot makes your kids be born naked, man.
Report Post »scarebear83
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 3:29amFella, the point was that the argument pro marijuana people are using is this “People are gonna do it anyways so let’s just legalize it. You’ll never win this war.” So by using that argument it would be the same as if to say, well people are murdered everyday and we can‘t stop all murders so let’s legalize it (technically they have it’s called abortion). Or even let’s say something less like running red lights or other various traffic infractions, since we can‘t stop people from running red lights or going over the speed limit and since there’s always going to be that person who’s going to do what they want to do then we should just stop writing tickets. See how insane that sounds? Legalize running red lights simply because you’re not going to stop all traffic violations? It’s the same argument pro marijuana people give and that argument just does not hold water.
Report Post »Fella
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 2:14pmYou completely ignored my response and restated your ridiculous argument again. You are clearly hopeless. Ugh. At least you have the scared part of your moniker right.
Report Post »Youthofthenation
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 12:33amAnyone notice the overwhelming amount of seed and stem action in that J?
Embrace the message of liberty. It doesn’t come a la carte.
Report Post »Tractorboy
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 12:44amLiberty is a great thing, the founding father gave us much, would also like to add I personally
Report Post »went to many funerals because of drugs, I believe satan can collect your soul a lot faster
if you do drugs.
maestrochase
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 3:08amI think that’s actually a picture of a spliff. Weed and tobacco together. Not that i would know anything about that….
Report Post »Fella
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 11:27am@Demint I’m not a liberal nor do I smoke. I run a small business that employs 12 people and I served this country. And if you have to piss in a cup to keep your job it’s most likely because you are a loser that never made anything out yourself. You display the mental agility capable of reaching the lowest levels of employment, so I’m not surprised.
Report Post »TurboTimmy
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 11:39amIt was a spliff and it should be a crime to mix weed with tobacco, that tobacco stuff will kill you. I still don’t understand why the Dutch do that.
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 12:13amWho really cares what the Dutch do? The Muslims are going to take over that pot smoking Country in no time. How’s that for freedom you stupid pot smokers? Bend over, grab your ankles and just except Sharia Law. You deserve it more than anyone else. And a big shout out to Cess Frankin!!!! Lord of the Dutch pot smoking hippies. Have fun in NYC.
Report Post »chance1
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 12:44amTo the monk do you not know that the muslims have rode in on Obama’s coat tails. I would advise you to look this up. Un less you already know , well do you punk? I would love to hear your retort.
Report Post »TurboTimmy
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 11:37amThere are quite a few ******* in the Dam, thats for sure. I was there 4 years ago and was surprised to see just how many. BTW, 17% THC is pretty normal there, violent crime is a fraction of what it is in any given U.S. city. It might have a lot to do with cops being able to concentrate on violent offenders instead of someone who wants a toke and a sammitch.
Report Post »angry nerd
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 12:06amwe could use this to our advantage
Report Post »ohhh hippy occupiers I have a present for you….
Diego Roswell
Posted on October 7, 2011 at 11:44pmIgnorance. People fear what they do not understand. Alcohol and alcohol abuse is far more damaging to the body, mind, soul, family, career, personality, finances, personal relationships, and the public at large than cannabis ever has been or could be. Yet you can purchase and drink all the alcohol you want until you become a terrible burden on the public health care system and social services, and even kill people. No one has ever overdosed from cannabis. Fear mongering leads to regulating and prohibiting.
Report Post »Caerus
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 12:09amThat’s just not a good argument. Yes, alcohol does millions of dollars worth of damage every year. Cigarettes do too. But just because THC isn’t “as bad” as stuff that is legalized, we should make it legal? Uh, no. You can use the argument that alcohol does a lot of damage if you are trying to start a second Prohibition movement, not as an argument for legalizing something unrelated.
Come on. There are decent arguments out there for legalizing weed. That isn’t one of them.
Report Post »Rev.sLeezy
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 1:39amHoly Smokes. Yes it is. Deaths from binge drinking at college? I would much rather have my child take a couple of puffs than drink himself to death or drive drunk and slide the car into the side of a bus load of kids. I can speak from experience. You do-gooders are blind by your own blindness of thinking you should control my morality. Your prohibition ends where my skin begins. I still am an American with the thin thread of hope that things could change. Yeah, right. God Bless.
Report Post »Inbred Jed
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 11:06amWell put DIego. In fact marijuana laws have destroyed more lives and families than the drug itself. I am not going to say that it isn‘t bad for you in some shape or form but in moderation it certainly isn’t the evil that many have claimed it to be. I have recently found myself in trouble for a personal medicinal grow and in fact am facing quite a long time behind bars. I am a 44 year old systems engineer who has been gainfully employed since the age of 16. Since my arrest I have indeed lost my job “before I have even been convicted or had a chance to provide a medicinal defense” not to mention the whole ordeal is going to cost me not only 10-20k in legal fees and fines but I very well may lose my freedom for a few years. If that happens I will lose everything that took me over 20 years to acquire While I did in fact break the law and I am not claiming to be a victim, it’s a shame that someone who robs a bank, embezzles thousands of dollars, or even kills their first victim while driving drunk face less time that I am in my current situation. Whoever thinks that we have liberty and freedom in this country is brainwashed. .
Report Post »scarebear83
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 3:35am“In fact marijuana laws have destroyed more lives and families than the drug itself.”
That’s an odd statement to make considering doing the drug is what tears families apart. Not whether it’s legal or not. Same with drinking and other drugs, it’s not the prohibition or the legalization of anything, it‘s the person’s choice to partake in such actions that leads to problems. It would be like saying stop signs have caused more wrecks than the people who ran them…. see? not a very good argument is it?
Report Post »Fella
Posted on October 9, 2011 at 4:10pmhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbwSwvUaRqc
Your precious drug war. Maybe this will satisfy your blood lust Scaredybear. Ya know, punish the wicked and all that.
“The cops bust in this guys house in the middle of the night and shoot his two dogs (one a pit bull that was caged in the kitchen and the other a Corgi) with children in the home. it turns out that rather than a big time drug dealer, this guy had a small pipe with some resin in it, a grinder, and what the cops here call “a small amount of marijuana” (meaning less than a few grams).”
Report Post »commonsenseguy
Posted on October 7, 2011 at 11:31pmthis is a test to see if it can be done, you start off small then increase slowly, one small country at a time, remember,this is the same country that is starting to tax fattening foods,and soon it will happen here ,just taking baby step,next thing will be socialism. it starts off small the bam,they shove down your throat.
Report Post »UlyssesP
Posted on October 7, 2011 at 11:29pm“If it encourages smoking an increased amount of low-concentration THC weed, it is likely to actually cause more harm than good,”
Report Post »Absolutely correct.
Compare: One 5 second hit of premium chronic through a vaporizer with no smoke at all vs. 20 minutes inhaling a couple of burning, smoking Mexican schwagg joints full of tars and resins.
JasonFreelance13
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 1:42amCommon sense ain’t dead.
Report Post »SamIamTwo
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 7:21amAh finally someone who has updated info. And for those who can’t inhale grow their own and make edibles. So my liberal medical marijuana friends tell me. And they never offer any of their stuff to anyone…they are seriously afraid of the DEA. They state that they never leave home stoned…so I dunno. Sitting on the fence on this one.
Report Post »Libby Tarian
Posted on October 7, 2011 at 11:29pmWhy is everyone so scared (drugophobic) of drugs? Some of my patients in the nursing home were getting dozens of pills a day, now that is scarey to me.
Report Post »SamIamTwo
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 7:23amYou got that right…and the new HC program is to hand out pills, no MRIs or CAT Scans, no operations…and then you have to take another pill for the side affect of the first pill and then another for this and that. No telling what will happen long term.
Report Post »RightPolitically
Posted on October 7, 2011 at 11:09pmUnfortunately, a day late and a dollar short. Europe waited far to long to wake up to their drug problem and their Muslim problem. It’s over over there!
Report Post »Fella
Posted on October 8, 2011 at 1:29am“(WebMD) Despite tough anti-drug laws, a new survey shows the U.S. has the highest level of illegal drug use in the world.”
So much for your opinion, ya dope. lol
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