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Early and Under Budget: ‘Most Sophisticated Attack’ Sub Gets Commissioned (See It Here)

USS Mississippi Commissioned as Part of Navys Virginia Class Submarines

USS Mississippi was commissioned on Saturday. (Photo: USS Mississippi Commissioning Committee)

It is rare that something described as having an “immeasurable” impact in the military finishes construction early — and under budget. But the USS Mississippi, which was commissioned over the weekend, can make this claim.

According to the Clarion Ledger, the vessel, which is a member of the Virginia Class submarines, is one of the “most sophisticated attack submarines in U.S. history.” The USS Mississippi is the fifth of the nuclear subs that cost about about $2.6 billion each. It is reported that the USS Mississippi cost only $2 billion and took only 62 months to build. The Clarion Ledger reports many having proud words on the commissioning ceremony and the sub:

“That is a very emotional part of the event,” says Lauren Pitre, a 1995 graduate of West Point High School who serves as the Virginia class program office acquisition manager. “You then see the crew run on board. It definitely gives you chills.”

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“The impact it brings to our fleet is immeasurable,” says Master Chief William Stoiber, chief of the USS Mississippi. “We’ve reduced the number of (active) submarines but not the total number of missions we’re required to perform. This submarine will take up a lot of the slack.”

Watch this Fox 10 report on the ceremony:

USS Mississippi commissioned: fox10tv.com

The commissioning took place on Saturday in Pascagoula, Miss. Here‘s the intended purpose of the subs according to the Navy’s press release:

Virginia-class submarines are designed to dominate the world’s littoral and deep waters, while conducting anti-submarine; anti-surface ship; strike; special operation forces; intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance; irregular warfare; and mine warfare missions. Their inherent stealth, endurance, firepower, and sensor suite directly enable them to support five of the six maritime strategy core capabilities – sea control, power projection, forward presence, maritime security, and deterrence.

USS Mississippi Commissioned as Part of Navys Virginia Class Submarines

(Photo: Harlan Kirgan via the Clarion Ledger)

“The Submarine Force and the fleet have eagerly anticipated this day,” Rear Adm. David Johnson, program executive officer for submarines, said in a statement. “USS Mississippi provides the Navy with unique and unparalleled capabilities and joins the fleet at a time when submarines are being called upon to perform vital national security tasking around the globe.”

USS Mississippi Commissioned as Part of Navys Virginia Class Submarines

Flooding of the dry dock for the USS Mississippi. (Photo: USS Mississippi Commissioning Committee)

Naval Technology describes this class of subs as “multimission nuclear-powered [submarines] for deep ocean anti-submarine warfare and littoral (shallow water) operations.” Here are some more specs on the subs from Naval Technology:

  • Length: 377 feet
  • Beam 34 feet
  • Displacement: 7,300 tons dived
  • Steering and diving control: four-button, two axis joystick
  • Acoustics: Lower noise levels using anechoic coatings, isolated deck structures and upgraded propulsor design.
  • Weaponry: 12 vertical missile launch tubes; 4 533mm torpedo tubes; capability to launch 16 Tomahawk submarine-launched cruise missiles; capacity for 26 mk48 ADCAP mod 6 heavyweight torpedoes
  • Countermeasures: AN/WLY-1 by Northrop Grumman; AN-BLQ-10 electronic support measures system (radar processing, threat warning) by Lockheed Martin
  • Advanced sonar and navigation radar
  • Boeing LMRS long-term mine reconnaissance system

See more photos of the USS Mississippi here.

[H/T Business Insider]

Comments (109)

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  • Ghandi was a Republican
    Posted on June 4, 2012 at 5:31pm

    And obama has downloaded the technology, codes and whatever weakness can be exploited. You can count on it. We have always been 20 years ahead in technology and now it’s closed to less than 4. It will cost Trillions to recover this edge. Countless will die because of this loss.

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    • Joe Bonham
      Posted on June 4, 2012 at 6:58pm

      What the hell are you talking about???

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    • Ghandi was a Republican
      Posted on June 4, 2012 at 7:44pm

      Talking about obama giving away the store. Talkind about his czars and his stated goal to manage the decline of the United States. Talking about Soros. Talking about 80,000 pages going online 3 days after G. Soros and ‘8 bloggers’ had sifnrd into the White House and met with obama. Talking about valerie jarret and this network of alinsky radicals she leads (czars).
      Talking about china getting everything with ease. Talking about russia getting our defense shield dismantled for 0 concessions. Talking about losing our supply lines in the middle East. Talking about pipelines to Russia and from Russia to Europe. Talking about NK and Iran firing load capable missiles with impunity since obama got in office. Talking about treating our military like rent-a-cops to assist the Muslim Brotherhood stage military coups.
      WHAT DID YOU THINK I WAS TALKING ABOUT?

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    • ZaphodsPlanet
      Posted on June 4, 2012 at 7:50pm

      It’s not a drone…. so at least this tech should be relatively safe. Wait… if the plans are actually adequately protected. Our drone tech is totally a waste of money until we can get BO out of office right along with any other traitor that was behind handing Iran one of our most high tech pieces of hardware. Future drones need to have some kind of self destruct on these things so if we loose contact… Kaboom!!!!… and a big enough Kaboom that there’s next to nothing left to look at.

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    • pavepaws
      Posted on June 4, 2012 at 8:39pm

      The Chinese already have one.

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    • woodyb
      Posted on June 4, 2012 at 9:31pm

      As a cost-saving measure, Obama has issued an order that the USS MISSISSIPPI will carry NO MISSILES or TORPEDOES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    • VoteBushIn12
      Posted on June 4, 2012 at 9:46pm

      @GHANDI WAS A REPUBLICAN

      Hahahaha!

      If I tried to sound my most distrusting and paranoid I would still not even come close to your level of insanity. That was a great read, thanks for making my night.

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    • Maji
      Posted on June 4, 2012 at 10:47pm

      When the USS Obama is christened it will be
      a “baby ruth” with a conning tower. (aka a T**d in the water)

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    • Paul
      Posted on June 4, 2012 at 10:56pm

      @Joe Bonham

      He’s talking about TREASON.

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    • nzkiwi
      Posted on June 5, 2012 at 3:28am

      @ Ghandi

      Nice response.

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    • teamarcheson
      Posted on June 5, 2012 at 10:42am

      Build In A Right To Work Non Union State.

      How much China content went into that sub? Where was the software written? Hopefully the skipper will not be one of those sub-standard Affirmative Action Naval Academy graduates.

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    • teamarcheson
      Posted on June 5, 2012 at 10:44am

      We know what he is saying.

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    • Thevoice
      Posted on June 5, 2012 at 1:33pm

      Gives you a feeling of pride as a American when you see this …Then the reality sets in and you realize …These brave men and women on that ship are at risk for our freedom ..Until we get Obama a president supported by the communist party out of the Oval office in January…Now any commie Democrat that want to argue that Obama has not put our fuel and electric supply at risk, given aid and comfort to the Muslim Brotherhood. And has Basically committed treason ..I would be more than willing to debate with…

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    • Link8on
      Posted on June 6, 2012 at 1:56am

      @ZaphodsPlanet

      I suspect anything is possible for those giving away our technological secrets,
      since
      one of our drones can land undamaged in Iran and
      Pakistan can recover the tail section from our stealth chopper.

      Hope and Change
      seems more definite for other countries
      who would dismantle the USA.

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  • suzz
    Posted on June 4, 2012 at 5:23pm

    I use to work there for 8 years and think buildin the more advance sub means it take less subs to make than before. Subs are not a waste of money

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    • Joe Bonham
      Posted on June 4, 2012 at 6:57pm

      Submarines are only useful if they actually have an enemy to fight. They do not.

      These subs are a total waste of money.

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    • TX_45_ACP
      Posted on June 4, 2012 at 8:15pm

      @Joe – You’re very wrong. They are useful deterrents and other countries have very sophisticated submarines. You’re post is the real waste here.

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    • VoteBushIn12
      Posted on June 4, 2012 at 9:49pm

      I’m with Joe.

      We already outspend the next 5 countries on military. If we cut that spending in HALF we’d still be top dog on the block by a long-shot. You want to talk about cutting the deficit, lets start with the absurd military budget.

      1.5 Million for a single tactical tomahawk missile – that probably will just be used in training. What a WASTE.

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    • mjazzguitar
      Posted on June 4, 2012 at 10:18pm

      I agree with Suzz. We need a deterrent. If someone tries to nuke us we’ll be able to target them from every angle.

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    • ElihuIrenicon
      Posted on June 5, 2012 at 1:21am

      Ever heard of the South China Sea Joe? Joe what do you think a loss of 3 carriers will mean to the United States ability to project force throughout the world? In the South China Sea for example? Joe what do you think will happen in the next 20-30 years to countries such as Vietnam, Japan, Philippines and the Island of Taiwan with out a United States Naval presence projecting force? Joe do you think China will simply sit back and respect the international trade routes and allow free passage? Joe do you think that without a United States naval presence the territorial waters of south east Asian countries will be respected by China? Obama used his 1st term to systematically erode the United States Economy. The Obama 2nd term will be used to shrink and gut the United States military making the United States ability to project force a thing of the past. In 4 years under another Obama Administration China will control the south China sea and begin to control the trade routes. Countries ni south east Asia will in effect be under the control of the Communist Chinese Government. There is a need for this submarine Joe. Please educate yourself.

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    • nzkiwi
      Posted on June 5, 2012 at 3:37am

      @ Joe Bonham

      “Submarines are only useful if they actually have an enemy to fight. They do not.
      These subs are a total waste of money.”

      That’s true. Until, of course, you need them.

      After the first world war, Great Britain allowed its armed services to run down due to the high cost and lack of apparent threat. They ended up seriously on the back foot when the time came to fight again.

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    • SandTrout
      Posted on June 5, 2012 at 3:50am

      Suzz is correct on this point. I served on the USS San Juan, and there are a LOT of missions that submarines, and only submarines are capable of doing, even in peacetime. Subs are an asset that almost no layman understands the value of, and I’ll leave it at that.

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    • nzkiwi
      Posted on June 5, 2012 at 4:03am

      You might think that an easy statement for me to make as none of my money is involved, and that is perfectly true.

      New zealand, and most other nations, could not possibly afford such a weapon.

      I imagine that I’m speaking for most of the informed citizens of free countries when I thank America, and the American taxpayer, from the bottom of my heart for their military expenditure.

      Many who criticise or accuse the USA (in Europe for example) were not alive when the US joined the allies and, unarguably saved them from an interminable conflict (to view the best outcome). It has become trendy, in the past two or three decades, for some to falsely deride America for “imperialism”, and to ignore the fact that she lead her allies in holding tyrannical communism at bay. Such people are foolish, and do not know how lucky they are that they have not gotten what they wished for.

      The world would be a far different place, and populated by greatly reduced and more oppressed people, were it not for the determination of Americans to protect and further its founding principles.

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    • MontaraMissileMan
      Posted on June 5, 2012 at 7:03am

      @Joe, as a former submariner I can tell you that the submarine force is by far the best deal the military has. Each boat alone is able to do more important missions than entire carrier groups. Plus the new Virginia class is the most advanced submarine in the world and it has been designed with long term maintenance costs in mind. Which means that its long term costs are going to be less than the Los Angeles class and Seawolf classes it is replacing.

      It would be a waste of money to not replace ships designed during the height of the cold war which were made with unlimited maintenance budgets in mind. (Which is also why the Navy must replace the Ohio-class SSBN, those things are relics and are falling apart far too early.)

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    • JL9999
      Posted on June 5, 2012 at 10:56am

      A couple of years ago, I read an article that said there are more missions for American subs today than ever before but the Navy just doesn’t have enough boats to do all of them. Submarines are stealthy land attack machines able to gather localized intelligence better than other assets. And they can launch nukes on those Tomahawks.

      It seems to me that at $2 billion a pop we are getting a lot of bang for the buck considering it costs $10 billion and five years to build a an aircraft carrier. Remember too that the F-35′s that will replace the 20 year old F-18′s is behind schdule. The point is that our war fighter’s equipment is getting old and that replacing it is danged expensive and takes time.

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    • eagle2715
      Posted on June 5, 2012 at 2:47pm

      “Submarines are only useful if they actually have an enemy to fight. They do not.

      These subs are a total waste of money.?”

      This statement speaks mounds of how little knowledge you have about the submarine fleets missions. I only hope other countries are as ignorant as you are. Special forces relies heavily on them, they perform massive amount of data collection for the Intel community…they stalk dozens of ships around the world in a way only a Nuclear Sub can (that’s a shot at all the folks who think a diesel sub is a reasonable replacement). And they still have enemies (in the very narrow minded aspect of other subs)… Russia builds subs, Iran has subs, China has subs, a few private individuals have subs..

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    • Chuck Stein
      Posted on June 5, 2012 at 5:28pm

      @ Eagle
      Diesel subs have their place — but it is not in our Navy. A diesel is effectively a mobile minefield. A nuke can escort carrier battle groups and, as you point out, shadow enemy subs and targets . . . er, I mean “surface ships”

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  • Stone Cold Truth
    Posted on June 4, 2012 at 5:17pm

    I’m all for new military tech. Sure we get copied, but the trendsetters always do. China doesn’t want to fight us. They want all those interest payments to continue. Plus, if it really came to it, I’m confident we could wipe them out in a no holds barred, full-fledged war. I wouldn’t want to fight an insurgency type war like Iraq and Afganistan though. That would go on forever.

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    • G-WHIZ
      Posted on June 5, 2012 at 9:53am

      …not with our largest bombs dismantled…and them knowing ALL our military stratagies and newest equipment…when they have just been commitioned.

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    • eagle2715
      Posted on June 5, 2012 at 2:50pm

      Like their stealth fighter, copies can barley make a comparison to the original. China‘s jet still has cold war era jet engines in it which make all of it’s copied high tech stealth useless…. Also the US and Britain are the only two countries who have close to 100 years of aerial combat experience, something you can’t copy…

      Same goes for the sub. You could give them one of these things and our boys would still beat them around like a read headed step child. The Chinese are still young at modern warfare and they know it. Giving them toys doesn’t translate into them knowing how to use them properly.

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  • lel2007
    Posted on June 4, 2012 at 5:14pm

    Nice boat. Fair winds and following seas.

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  • NineteenEighty4
    Posted on June 4, 2012 at 4:55pm

    Under budget, yet still a prolific waste of taxpayers money. Some Lockheed exec just fattened his wallet and increased his dividend all on our dime. USA USA!

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    • lel2007
      Posted on June 4, 2012 at 5:07pm

      idiot.

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    • Stoic one
      Posted on June 5, 2012 at 5:45am

      1980-4
      I have one question: Do you lock your doors and windows?

      If you do ; practice what you are preaching…unlock your doors and windows – open them all wide; then take a week long vacation out of the country you reside in.

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    • Iron_Wyll
      Posted on June 5, 2012 at 10:05am

      Agreed that the 84 is an idiot. A butt puppet, actually.

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  • gyro
    Posted on June 4, 2012 at 4:50pm

    very cool

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  • confederacyofdunces
    Posted on June 4, 2012 at 4:48pm

    The Persian gulf is not a good area to operate submarines. Its a nice sub 700 foot deep bathtub. Just sayin as a former ASW sonar tech. I would wait outside and pick off traffic outside in the IO, then again do the unexpected. Seize the advantage is the Israeli way

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  • Belchfire V-8
    Posted on June 4, 2012 at 4:40pm

    Hey Lockheed, take heed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  • spfoam1
    Posted on June 4, 2012 at 4:32pm

    It has almost as much displacement fully submernged as Michelle sitting up in the bathtub.

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    • Thomas Paine
      Posted on June 4, 2012 at 4:50pm

      If they named a ship after Michelle, It would be called “Thunder thighs”

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  • Lotus503
    Posted on June 4, 2012 at 4:27pm

    I wonder when China will introduce their new attack sub that looks almost identical to ours? They seem to have perfected a ballpark copy of our F-22 Raptor…

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    • lukerw
      Posted on June 4, 2012 at 4:35pm

      Their ESP… is directly linked to… American Business activity in China!

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    • Arkansan by Choice
      Posted on June 4, 2012 at 4:44pm

      Its one thing to make something look like an F-22…its quite another to make it perform like an F-22

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    • eagle2715
      Posted on June 5, 2012 at 2:51pm

      “They seem to have perfected a ballpark copy of our F-22 Raptor…” not even close, it’s still using cold war era Russian engines…something that negates it’s stealth abilities….

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    • RedDawn2012
      Posted on June 5, 2012 at 3:04pm

      China will get it when another Clinton gets into office to sell it to them.

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  • GoodStuff
    Posted on June 4, 2012 at 4:21pm

    Oh, this’ll make the Paulbots whine and cry for a good few hours.

    Ready….go!

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    • RepubliCorp
      Posted on June 5, 2012 at 5:57am

      yep……… after Ron Bin Paul is gone they will slither back to the demorat party. They will bitch to their Code-Pink friends that the NeoCons refused to worship at the alter of Paul / Alex Jones/ Jesse Ventura/ Kucinich

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  • jakartaman
    Posted on June 4, 2012 at 3:54pm

    Well done!
    and thanks for a working taxpayer

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  • UrbanBard
    Posted on June 4, 2012 at 3:53pm

    I notice that the German’s are commissioning three nuclear submarines for Israel. They only cost half as much as the Mississippi and are, probably, shorter.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/export-driven-warmonger-germany-supplying-world-and-israel-submarines?destination=node%2F448793%3Fpage%3D1

    Of course, the tone of this article is alarmist. I can understand the author concern. Unlike the US Navy, these ships might actually get used, since Israel has been attacked by surrounding countries thirteen times since it’s founding in 1948.

    The author probably discounts that Israel has enemies, such as Iran, who might attack her. Besides, everyone knows Iran’s promise of a nuclear attack is just internal politics.

    I had wanted to make comments, they were closed. I had to wonder if the author thought the Israelis incapable of building their own submarines? This was thought true about Tanks, but Israel has been building their own. Just as well, since the Obama administration is unlikely to sell any more Abrams M1A1’s. I suspect that Germany gave them a good deal in order to keep the plant they had working. The author may not know this but three of Israel’s diesel Subs went through the Suez canal a year ago and haven’t been sighted since. Those are reported to have nuclear missiles on them, too. They could be hiding out in the Persian Gulf.

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/israel-deploys-nuclear-weapons-on-german-submarines-a-836671.html

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    • Dismayed Veteran
      Posted on June 4, 2012 at 4:23pm

      I know only a very little about submarines. Is it possible that the Isreali subs were build to fight in the littorals rather than the deep?

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    • @leftfighter
      Posted on June 4, 2012 at 4:28pm

      If I were Israel, I’d be a little leary of any weapon of war Germany made for me.

      Just sayin’.

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    • SageInWaiting
      Posted on June 4, 2012 at 5:10pm

      The German boats built for Israel are not nuclear powered, reducing the cost significantly.

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    • lillypup
      Posted on June 4, 2012 at 5:51pm

      German subs are not nuclear powered, they are diesel electric with hydrogen peroxide fuel cells for submerged operations. They are not suitable for world wide operations but perfect for shorter voyages. They have fewer moving parts and pumps when running submerged so are quieter than the US nuclear powered subs, and natually smaller in size. These are better than US nuclear subs in shallow waters and close in where quieter operations are required.

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  • thegreatcarnac
    Posted on June 4, 2012 at 3:49pm

    You can have all of the high-tech war machines in the world but if your leader is an undercover socialist and refuses to use them…..then they are so much junk. That is our situation.

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    • Joe Bonham
      Posted on June 4, 2012 at 7:00pm

      Sir… you are an idiot. Obama has started even more wars than Bush, and Conservatives still accuse him of not being aggressive enough!!!!

      I am extremely dismayed at the Obama Administration, but the thought of having Republicans back in control really does scare me. Because if invading multiple countries in less than four years is a “weak” foreign policy… I hate to think what you think a “strong” one would be!

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  • Iamnotanumber
    Posted on June 4, 2012 at 3:42pm

    Give me a new US Navy WW2 diesel boat, 70 men and $1billion and we’ll keep the sea lanes open, get the beach jumpers in close, and do all the electronic surveillance you want! I could get a bunch of the old smoke boaters to sign on for a cruise, and they could start the qual process over with the youngsters, just like when it was cool to be a submariner….(Nuke vs. Diesel joke)

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    • USNRET04
      Posted on June 4, 2012 at 4:25pm

      Only a few of us here that would recognize the DBF style comment!

      Diesel Boats Forever

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  • teddrunk
    Posted on June 4, 2012 at 3:41pm

    Early & under budget. I smell a 500 million dollar study to find out why.

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    • lukerw
      Posted on June 4, 2012 at 4:07pm

      The Economy will surely fail… because of AntiStimulus Efficiency!

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    • djmaine
      Posted on June 4, 2012 at 4:25pm

      Good one!!

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    • JRook
      Posted on June 4, 2012 at 4:36pm

      Sounds like it was a rather comfortable bid to begin with. Always a good strategy though, bid high and come under the budget. Surprised it took the Defense Dept. and their contractors so long to figure this out. Or maybe they had and the we actually overpaid $600 on the first 4 or $2.4 trillion in total. Either way it is all about how you present the information now isn’t it. And of course these will come in handy against Iraq, Afghanistan, oh and China with its one aircraft carrier. Are we sure we only need 5 of these.

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    • mr.goodvibe
      Posted on June 4, 2012 at 7:41pm

      600 mil

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  • TheBurningTruth
    Posted on June 4, 2012 at 3:31pm

    Looking at the picture of the two guys on deck, I noticed that each of them had three feet. I guess that’s for better stability when walking on the deck of the sub in motion.

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  • countryfirst
    Posted on June 4, 2012 at 3:31pm

    It not ours till China signs off the lien release.

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  • johnpaulkuchtajr
    Posted on June 4, 2012 at 3:30pm

    Come on fellas, let’s be candid, shall we?

    Will the USS MS be able to pop-up in the middle of a Chinese battle group like the Chinese sub did to us just a few years back? Google: Chinese subs, battle group, USS Enterprise. That sub eluded satellite, surface ship, submarine and subsurface detection. If I recall correctly, the ChiCom sub breached about 1500 yards off the Enterprise.

    Oh, maybe it can approach the coast of China like the Chinese sub off CA a few years back? Yeah, remember that contrail filmed by a TV helo crew? That sub came within 35 miles of the CA coast and fired an ICBM back over the Pacific, away from the coast. They just wanted to make sure our head sheds knew they could.

    I think that building submarines are a great job creator and they must make lots of folks feel good about our military; but, the simple fact is that our submariners don’t want any part of the Chinese.

    Just ask a US Navy submariner.

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    • USNRET04
      Posted on June 4, 2012 at 4:33pm

      I remember the missile launch off of CA was covered by the Blaze, though still a mystery, I do not recall that it was determined to be the Chinese, I may have missed that part.

      I am confused about your comment about being just a job creator and submariners not wanting any part of the Chinese. As a proud Submariner, I would put our force up against anyone at anytime.

      We do that all the time…you just do not hear about it in the news…Silent Service

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    • @leftfighter
      Posted on June 4, 2012 at 4:44pm

      Nobody wants any part of the Chinese.

      America doesn’t go to war without a minimum three-to-one manpower advantage. Why do you think we’ve been into coalition building since Desert Shield? It’s not to get the worldwide coalition to keep the UN off our backs, that’s for sure.

      The fact is, the Chinese active military outnumbers ours by a three-to-two margin http://www.globalfirepower.com/active-military-manpower.asp their available military resources outnumber ours by a five-to-one margin http://www.globalfirepower.com/available-military-manpower.asp and they have a population advantage of something like four-to-one. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population (Wikipedia, I know, but we’re dealing with fuzzy numbers here. Sue me.), and technologically, they’re lagging only about 10 years behind us (due to reverse engineering our stuff after we’ve invented it).

      This doesn’t make for a successful war effort. Even if India jumps in,

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    • Mike N
      Posted on June 4, 2012 at 5:05pm

      You know far too little of submarine service to be spouting off as you are.

      Finding and tracking a carrier group is child’s play for any captain worthy of overseeing submarine operations, no matter how simple the boat. Being able to successfully engage that group is another matter entirely.

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    • SageInWaiting
      Posted on June 4, 2012 at 5:24pm

      Let’s not forget that the Chicoms, due to their one-child policies and cultural sex selection, have about 200M males without mates… that much uncompensated testosterone is the foundation of a war.

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    • johnpaulkuchtajr
      Posted on June 4, 2012 at 5:59pm

      It’s interesting that not one of the replys to my post took on the explanation of how that Chicom sub surprised our battle group in the middle of the Pacific Ocean. I don’t need to be a submariner to recocognize the truth.

      If you don‘t recognize an enemy’s strengths, how the hell are you going to defeat him? Is mass surrender part of the plan?

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  • bmw5gs
    Posted on June 4, 2012 at 3:30pm

    Big F-in deal— give it a week and china will have one just like it. — noboma is making big money selling our tech. to the enemy. got to love our crazy mixed up pres.

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  • Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
    Posted on June 4, 2012 at 3:26pm

    Wonderful; of course the clear fact is with Obama he has already given all the details of them to the Russians and Chinese.

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    • NOBALONEY
      Posted on June 4, 2012 at 3:44pm

      Chinese ‘Yellow’, and Russian ‘Volga’ will look very similar to the Mississippi.

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  • @leftfighter
    Posted on June 4, 2012 at 3:24pm

    Early and under budget. You know what that means: a contractor built it and not government.

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  • jrcess
    Posted on June 4, 2012 at 3:21pm

    The only thing under budget in all of Obama’s reign, thank God he had nothing to do with it.

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  • ebayer
    Posted on June 4, 2012 at 3:20pm

    “…finishes construction early — and under budget.”
    So,does that mean that shortcuts were taken during construction and “improvements” will be added after launch?
    I can‘t even imagine the stress that must’ve been placed on the construction workers to “get the job done”,so that management could look good.

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    • @leftfighter
      Posted on June 4, 2012 at 3:27pm

      Nope. It means a contractor got it done and not government.

      The Navy wouldn‘t take posession of it if it wasn’t ship shape. Hense the idiom.

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    • TheBurningTruth
      Posted on June 4, 2012 at 3:33pm

      Maybe it just means that all the UNION workers actually showed up to the job sober and did a full day’s work instead of being drunk or sleeping in some hidden access tube.

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    • Joe Bonham
      Posted on June 4, 2012 at 6:59pm

      The contractors working on it probably wouldn’t be associated with any union…

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    • SandTrout
      Posted on June 5, 2012 at 3:57am

      It means that the mishaps that are expected and planned for when budgeting and scheduling the construction of the ship didn’t happen, meaning that work had to get done twice less often, which saves time, labor, and material.

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  • Exrepublisheep
    Posted on June 4, 2012 at 3:16pm

    Most sophisticated in history. You’d hope so…

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