Egyptian Election Results Deepen Israeli Fears
- Posted on December 4, 2011 at 6:24pm by
Christopher Santarelli
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(The Blaze/AP)For Israelis, the Islamist election surge in Egypt is depressing confirmation of a deeply primal fear: An inhospitable region is becoming more hostile still.
This sentiment has been accompanied by a bittersweet sense that Israel was dismissed as alarmist when it warned months ago that the Arab Spring — widely perceived as the doing of liberals yearning to be free — could lead to Islamist governments.
Speaking for most people here, Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak called the emerging result of the first round of parliamentary voting in Egypt “very, very disturbing” and expressed concern about the fate of the landmark 1979 Egyptian Israeli peace treaty.
“We are very concerned,” added Finance Minister Yuval Steinitz, who has long warned that Egypt could potentially pose a threat. Speaking to The Associated Press Sunday, Steinitz expressed hope that Egypt “will not shift to some kind of Islamic tyranny.”
Experts here, as elsewhere, point out that political Islam comes in varying shades of green: The Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt has about a 10 percent lead over the more radical Salafists and appears far less eager to impose a devout lifestyle or seek conflict.
But most Israelis appear to have little patience for such distinctions. There is a sense that moderate Islamists are pulling off something of a con, lulling opponents into complacency, projecting a seemingly benign piety to exploit a naive public’s hunger for clean government after years of corrupt, despotic rule. And there is a long memory of Iran, once friendly to Israel, where secular forces including the military helped depose the Shah in 1979 only to swiftly be steamrolled by fundamentalists.
“These upheavals are a bad thing for the modern world, for Israel,” said Yitzhak Sklar, a 50-year-old Jerusalem resident. “There is something in their religion that pushes them to extremism. Their religion calls for murdering anyone who opposes them.”
Smadar Perry, Arab affairs writer for Israel’s top selling Yediot Ahronot daily, bemoaned Islam’s “coming out of the closet” in Egypt, symbolized by the “disappearance of jeans-clad youngsters in favor of (those with) long beards and eyes ablaze with fanaticism.“ Islamist rule in Egypt under any stripe would be ”a terrifying problem,” she wrote.
Some of the fears — for example, that an Islamist-led government in Egypt would mold itself in Iran’s image — may be overblown. Iran’s clerical rule is unique in the Middle East, and the Muslim Brotherhood stresses the idea of a theocracy has no place in its ideology. Instead, it says it’s committed to an Egypt that is civil, democratic, modern and constitutional.
Israeli concerns about political Islam can be traced to its longstanding battle against Hezbollah guerrillas in Lebanon and more recently to 2006, when the Islamist Hamas group swept Palestinian legislative elections.
The Hamas victory triggered a process that ultimately left the militant group, considered a terrorist organization by much of the world for its suicide bombing campaigns and other violent acts, in control of the Gaza Strip. Since then, Hamas and other militants have used the territory as a launching pad for firing rockets into southern Israel.
The stakes in Egypt are much higher. Egypt is the largest and most influential Arab nation, with a U.S.-backed army that has staunchly honored a 1979 peace agreement with Israel.
The peace agreement has been a cornerstone of Israeli security policy for three decades, allowing the military to divert resources to fight foes in Lebanon, Gaza and the West Bank. The treaty has also been a boon for Egypt, bringing in billions in U.S. military assistance.
“We hope that any government that will be formed in Egypt will recognize the importance of the existence of the peace treaty,” Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said in a speech Sunday.
At the same time, he said he had ordered a speeding of the construction of a massive fence being built along Israel’s long and porous border with Egypt. Netanyahu said the fence, originally envisioned to stop the inflow of African migrants into Israel, has an “additional importance, security importance” now. In August, militants entering Egypt from the Gaza Strip infiltrated that border and killed eight Israelis.
The recent Islamic election victories in Tunisia and Morocco, considered the most moderate of Arab states, along with a growing Islamic influence in post-revolution Libya, have reinforced concerns.
“What we are facing in Egypt (and) elsewhere in the Middle East is an Islamic tsunami that we in Israel, in the West, will have to cope with in coming years,” said Eli Shaked, a former Israeli ambassador to Egypt.
Shaked reflected the feeling of many in Israel that electoral wins by groups that may respect majority rule, but less so individual rights, is hardly a victory for democracy. “It seems that democracy in the Middle East has never been so far away as it is now,” he said.
Israeli diplomats have cautioned against jumping to conclusions, noting that the final result in the elections for the Egyptian parliament‘s lower house won’t be known until all stages of voting are completed in January and that presidential elections are next summer.
Yitzhak Levanon, who retired as Israel’s ambassador to Egypt just last week, said officials in Cairo are well aware of the value of the peace agreement with Israel.
“There is great awareness of the importance of relations between Israel and Egypt,” he told Israel Radio. “But Egypt is undergoing transformation. … We have to monitor what’s going on closely and be on guard.”
He predicted tensions in the coming months between the military, parliament and a new president over division of powers. That tension and negotiations to form a majority coalition in the legislature could also limit the aims of more radical parties.
Others assess that taking on Israel cannot possibly be at the forefront of any group in an Egypt that is struggling with a desperate economic crisis. Indeed, the Brotherhood has said its priorities were to fix Egypt’s economy and improve the lives of ordinary Egyptians, “not to change (the) face of Egypt into (an) Islamic state.”
The Brotherhood, while no fan of Israel, has not said it wants to end the peace deal although it feels the treaty should be reviewed. The Salafis, new to politics, have not commented publicly on it.
On the societal level the Brotherhood differs as well, not favoring the imposition of strict Muslim law, preferring instead to lead by example. Elements of the Brotherhood are also known to have good ties with the military.
An emerging debate among the Islamist groups in Egypt seems to reflect this divide.
Yet on this point too Israelis consider mainly the case of Hamas, remembering their 1980s governments which — less experienced with Islamists — provided the group with quiet support to undermine Fatah, which was still banned here at the time.
Hamas went on to torment Israel with suicide bombings and then win the 2006 Palestinian vote because Fatah, by then Israel’s ostensible peace partner, had become corrupt and detached. Palestinian voters yearned for better government, not more religion, many observers had said. Yet within a year Hamas had expelled Fatah-led Palestinian Authority forces from Gaza and has since slowly imposed its religious tenets on the population there while building up its military force.
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heartitorleaveit
Posted on December 6, 2011 at 2:55amsirhan- “Christian countries” (This tends to be your terminology when refering to America)have many more freedoms than in your country.
Ill try and make this easy k?
Your jihad or whatever compells you to lash out at everything not matching your idology. We are a republic, not a religion. You know, how you guys mix church and state and stuff? It tends to REALLY effect womens rights in your country, Im pretty sure.
The woman working at the store may not be a christian and the crossdressing freak is definitly not a christian.
So:
Only in a Mulslin country like yours would a man dressed like a woman think he could get away with using a ladies fitting room without being stoned to death. and stuff
Only in a Muslim country would your women telling a man dressed like a woman that he could not use your ladies fitting room get stoned to death for it. boyee
Only in a Muslim country could you be having a conversation and be stone to death for it….fun
WTF?
In America many people guilty of true crimes are freed after a trial of their peers, SO THAT NO INNOCENT MAN OR WOMAN NO BE PUNISHED FOR A CRIME THEY DID NOT COMMIT.
This is one of the basic reasons why this “Christian country” will never submit to your arcane society, culture or religion EVER. :) have a nice day.
Report Post »henryKnox
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 12:10amIt has been amazing to watch the Obama administration orchestrate the destruction of Israel. It is like watching an auto accident in slow motion. We can see what he is doing but we can’t stop it. One of his first stops after his election was Egypt where he encouraged the Muslim extremists to rise up and take control of the gov’t.
Report Post »SpankDaMonkey
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 6:59am.
Report Post »There is no way you can pray with your head so close to another persons business hole, I mean what if Abdual got hold of some bad Humas, and got a case of the farts that would drive away the camels…..
heartitorleaveit
Posted on December 4, 2011 at 11:12pmMore questions:
Report Post »The Bible says that God is love (1 John 4:16) and that He loves all people (Matt. 5:43-48; John 3:16). The Qur’an never says that “God is love.” In fact, the Qur’an says that Allah does not love unbelievers (2:98; 3:32).
A.Question: If Allah does not love unbelievers, can you say that Allah is love, especially if the Qur’an does not say it?
B.Question: If you say yes, that Allah is love, then why does he only love the Muslims and not all people?
C.Question: If you say Allah is love, is he more loving than the God of the Bible who loves all people?
heartitorleaveit
Posted on December 4, 2011 at 11:24pmwaiting sirhan- still waiting. just checked. can you answer these questions in your heart? (a real Christian can!) Or do you have to rely on your teachings? Good vs Evil n stuff…..
Q:whats up with all hose “accidental” explosions in Iran anyway? Are all those guys just retarded or what?
Report Post »twistin
Posted on December 4, 2011 at 10:58pmIt would be a shame if something suddenly happened to the Aswan Dam.
Cuz them, Cairo would be washed into the Mediterranean Sea….just sayin’.
Report Post »twistin
Posted on December 4, 2011 at 11:00pmI meant, cuz THEN, Cairo would be washed into the Mediterranean Sea….still just sayin’.
Report Post »heartitorleaveit
Posted on December 4, 2011 at 10:58pm10 questions for sirhansirhan!
(along with my answers to the same questions):
Q1)did muhammad have sex with minors? A:YES
Q2)do muslims practice fgm? A:YES
Q3)was Jesus a muslim prophet? A:NO (no mention of muhammad as a prophet of GOD is made in the Bible)
4)did Jesus practice or believe in islam? A:NO
5)did muhammad perform any miracles? A:NO
6)Exactly what Islamic terminology is used to describe what the rest of the world callls “Holy War”?A:“JIHAD”
7) Why is FGM so prevalent in muslim countries if the quran doesnt call for it? A: I suspect it is a relic of an arcane attempt to belittle woman and make them slaves to thier men in backward counties.
8)Are honor killings allowed under sharia law?A:YES
9)Is slavery allowed under Islam/sharia law?A:YES
10)Is sirhan a brainwashed Satan worshiper? A:YES
BONUS ROUND:
Report Post »100 POINTS:
Q: If Moses is an Islamic prophet, why dont the muslims follow the ten commandments?A: Because the islamic faith is a twisted concoction of Bible stories tuned in knots at muhammads hand and all the poor muslims believe he is right.
I say the same thing to Mormons when they swing by the house; please read the Bible before you start believing anything ANY mortal man tells you, then we can talk. The thing is I dont fear for my country or my life when they come a knockin cause the do follow a Christian ethic based on the ten commandments. sirhan-any response you may have to these things dosnt matter cause you idiology is so twisted y
NOBAMA201258
Posted on December 4, 2011 at 9:59pm@Surhan , You left out all the times it instructs muslims to slay the infidel , read Christians ,Jews, or anyone else who doesn’t follow sharia law, and what does your book of “Peace” say about the stone age treatment of women most horrifically exemplified with so-called “honor”killings ?
Report Post »RedHerringoftheUnitedStates
Posted on December 4, 2011 at 9:01pmThere is no reason for Israel to be concerned. We have been diligently moving toward removing the military’s bans on sodomy and beastiality. We are taking every possible step to ensure peace in the region. When it is finally permissible for a homosexual in the military to get ********** by a pack of same-sex dogs, Egypt will reaffirm its peace treaty with Israel. Everything is under control, and going forward exactly as planned.
Report Post »waggie
Posted on December 4, 2011 at 9:38pmIsrael has no need to be concerned. This has all been foretold in the Bible. God is in control of this and will draw the Jews to Jesus, read Revelation. Watch the middle east, Armageddon will be the final battle between the muslims and the jews. If you have ever read Revelation, you know who wins!
Report Post »NOBAMA201258
Posted on December 4, 2011 at 10:14pmWhen Israel is attacked by russia,iran,china and the rest of the heathen masses God will intervene on His peoples’ behalf and Israel “shall be seven months burying the enemy dead” .With the accuracy of Bible prophecy you better believe this is going to happen and in the not too distant future,too !
Report Post »TheObamanation
Posted on December 4, 2011 at 7:46pmWhat do you call a conspiracy theory that comes true ? I must be psychic too. I saw this coming from the beginning like Glenn Beck did. When you look at it through glasses that show Islamists want to take over the world … every move they make is so transparent. Libbytards either don’t see it … or they support it. Either way … alot more senseless bloodshed is on its way.
Report Post »MTCOWBOY711
Posted on December 4, 2011 at 7:59pmBring it! Let these heathen and the world order be brought into the mother of all reality checks.
Report Post »Krazy_Kreepy_Ketchup
Posted on December 4, 2011 at 7:22pmAnyone see twitter right now (7 pm-ish)? Trending now is “#israelhates” where thousands of people are now viciously attacking Israel and the Jews. Take a look-it’s absolutely out of control anti-semitism
Report Post »NOBAMA201258
Posted on December 4, 2011 at 9:25pmMostly the “occupy” jackoffs I bet
Report Post »nobull14
Posted on December 4, 2011 at 7:17pmOturd sold out Mubarek and the Egyptian people for the muslim brotherhood !!! .He also sold out the ISRAELI people for Hamas and the Palestinian sand turds? who have been a boil on the Arab butt for many years!!!
Report Post »Depressed_American
Posted on December 4, 2011 at 7:11pmHey, our President encouraged this “Arab Spring”, without any thoughts for the consequences……..
Report Post »MTCOWBOY711
Posted on December 4, 2011 at 8:01pmSorry to enlighten you, but these are the consequences he wanted.
Report Post »YepImaConservative
Posted on December 4, 2011 at 7:09pmIt’s okay Israel, Obama and Ron Paul has your back. Two Liberal apologist peons in a pod. You go ahead and deal with the Middle East and they’ll be cheering you on from the side-lines. But Obama’s Embarrassment, er Ambassador to Belgium has been reassigned to Israel just for good measure. Ron Paul said he would send his embarrassments…. Code Pink…. if you really, really need the help.
Report Post »AOL_REFUGEE
Posted on December 4, 2011 at 7:06pmThe 45% of Jews here still supporting Obama need to wake up. Otherwise, I’ve got other things to worry about besides Israel.
Report Post »NOBAMA201258
Posted on December 4, 2011 at 9:23pmReally,how much more do they need to see to know obama is no friend to Israel or Jews in general ?
Report Post »heartitorleaveit
Posted on December 4, 2011 at 6:51pmSirhan- you state that “jesus calls for jihad” in Luke 19:27 !The word ‘JIHAD’ means “HOLY WAR’ originated from the teaching of Prophet Muhammed (umm Muhammed was born way after Jesus I think)in the spreading of Islam across the globe. The main reason why the ‘JIHAD’ was introduced is that Prophet Muhammed teachings from the Holy Koran was not accepted by the accient world. He was having three major enemies this include, his own people known as the pagan Arabs, the Christains and the Jews.
call me crazy but are you saying that Jesus was a muslim?
You state “What I’m trying to show you from Luke 19:27 (not 9:27 like you said) is that if Jihad means what you and Glenn Beck says; then Jihad must be okay because Jesus called for a jihad. ”
“what your trying to show me” proves you are a good decietfull musli and nothing more.
please show me in the Bible where Jesus is a muslim. If mohammad IS a prophet show me in your quran whare he performed 1 miracle! If mohammad died and he is on par with Jesus why wont he come back?
next- why wont your reply to the many other responses you got when you challenged us to provide our opinion of islam being the religion of the antichrist?
Report Post »Do you only feel challenged by my statements? not the questions or proof provided by the others who responded.
running out of room Ill be back…
littleQueenie
Posted on December 4, 2011 at 7:42pmIn the Qur’an – when Jesus comes back he comes back as a Muslim, proclaims Islam the true religion and breaks the cross- it’s enough to break your heart the way Muslims proclaim the Qur’an honors Jesus when in truth it defiles him.
Report Post »TheObamanation
Posted on December 4, 2011 at 7:56pmExcellent points heartitorleaveit … checkmate !
Report Post »onemansthoughts
Posted on December 4, 2011 at 11:29pmTwo Words…Pigs, Blood….
Report Post »welloddyfriggindah
Posted on December 4, 2011 at 6:49pm…Israel’s enemies immediately surrounding the nation will attack Israel with the hate filled intent to wipe the Jewish nation off the map, both as they themselves continue to say, and as Psalm 83 described some 2400 yrs ago. You don’t have to believe this, just remember it for future reference.
Report Post »NOBAMA201258
Posted on December 4, 2011 at 10:20pmYou better believe I believe it WELLODY !
Report Post »momrules
Posted on December 4, 2011 at 6:43pmMubarek was forced out partly because of the peace agreement with Isreal and the fact that he kept the Muslim Brotherhood at bay. Now look at who is in charge and if anyone thinks that Israel isn’t in their crosshairs is an idiot.
Israel is surrounded by Islamic countries who want Israel wiped out of existance. How long before the war breaks out? I don’t think it will be very long.
God will protect Israel and I pray that He continues to protect and bless America.
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on December 4, 2011 at 6:38pmWith the rise of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt — another group avowed to the annhilation of the state of Israel; along with the rest of the Mid East rising against her, the people have every reason to worry and prepare for war — barring a true divine intervention there will be a war, it is now only a matter of when, not if…and if it will go nuclear.
Report Post »Steelhead
Posted on December 4, 2011 at 6:45pmyou can prepare for war if you want and it is what you want ……….the end game thing right?
Report Post »82dAirborne
Posted on December 4, 2011 at 6:48pm@Snow
Report Post »I believe that Israel has laid the groundwork already. They have the U.S. made bunker buster weapons. Diplomats from most major Western countries are getting out of Iran – getting out with great haste it would seem. On their own they are a world class military albeit very small in numbers. Add our technology and they are something to be feared. I wouldn’t want to back them into a corner.
82dAirborne
Posted on December 4, 2011 at 6:49pmWith some luck maybe they won’t have to use nukes.
Report Post »momrules
Posted on December 4, 2011 at 6:55pmSnow……..you are right.
82dairborne………I agree with you and remember Israel belongs to GOD. He will never allow that country to be destroyed.
Report Post »82dAirborne
Posted on December 4, 2011 at 7:00pm@MOM
Yes I think God is on their side/they are on his side. I also believe that He helps those who help themselves.
Believe that it‘s all up to God but act like it’s all up to you.
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on December 4, 2011 at 7:05pm@82nd Air — Israel is a fighter on par with a enraged mama badger backed up to the door of her den with pups down below needing protecting; pound for pound fiercer than almost anything.
The main fact that will determine how far towards nuclear the coming storm will go is that nutcase in Iran. Right now, I could see a high probability that, even abeyance of a full device being used by Iran, a radiological device going off in Israel and delivered via the Brotherhood or Hamas/Hezbollah.
Right now, the middle east is on a turning point again; the Arab Spring started with the man immolating himself in Tunisia. Now it is to be seen as to which of the many regional government and non-government groups will be the first to strike…and how they will do it.
Report Post »RobertGadfly
Posted on December 4, 2011 at 6:29pmThe sharia spring is in full bloom.
Report Post »smackdown33
Posted on December 4, 2011 at 6:25pmWho cares?
Report Post »allboys
Posted on December 4, 2011 at 6:51pmWe all should care.
Report Post »It won’t be pretty.
heartitorleaveit
Posted on December 4, 2011 at 6:52pmand how!
Report Post »goengo
Posted on December 4, 2011 at 7:03pmWho cares?? You should care! What happens in the Middle East effects us in The USA. Radical Islam is a danger to the West no matter where it occurs. Sharia law requires Islamists to kill the infidels. And, if you are a Christian, a Jew, an athiest, or any religion other than Islam, YOU are an infidel.
Report Post »Depressed_American
Posted on December 4, 2011 at 7:22pmRead Daniel and Revelations, it describes how things are going to be. As the days pass, those who believe and have an understanding of the Bible, can see that the Islam and Judeaism/Christianity are going to be the religions of the end times…. In accordance, the nations of the “world” are supposed to converge on Israel to destroy her,……. Armagedon…..
Report Post »SurhanSurhan
Posted on December 4, 2011 at 8:54pm@ GOENGO- WHAT IS THE QUR’AN?
The Qur’an is a record of the exact words revealed by God through the Angel Gabriel to the Prophet Muhammad. It was memorized by Muhammad and then dictated to his Companions, and written down by scribes, who cross-checked it during his lifetime. Not one word of its 114 chapters, Suras, has been changed over the centuries, so that the Qur’an is in every detail the unique and miraculous text which was revealed to Muhammad fourteen centuries ago.
WHAT IS THE QUR’AN ABOUT?
Report Post »The Qur’an, the last revealed Word of God, is the prime source of every Muslim’s faith and practice. It deals with all the subjects which concern us as human beings: wisdom, doctrine, worship, and law, but its basic theme is the relationship between God and His creatures. At the same time it provides guidelines for a just society, proper human conduct and an equitable economic system.
mr.goodvibe
Posted on December 4, 2011 at 10:15pmWhy should you care. US muslim population went from 530,000 in 1990 to 1.3 million in 2008.
Report Post »heartitorleaveit
Posted on December 4, 2011 at 10:59pm10 questions for sirhansirhan!
(along with my answers to the same questions):
Q1)did muhammad have sex with minors? A:YES
Q2)do muslims practice fgm? A:YES
Q3)was Jesus a muslim prophet? A:NO (no mention of muhammad as a prophet of GOD is made in the Bible)
4)did Jesus practice or believe in islam? A:NO
5)did muhammad perform any miracles? A:NO
6)Exactly what Islamic terminology is used to describe what the rest of the world callls “Holy War”?A:“JIHAD”
7) Why is FGM so prevalent in muslim countries if the quran doesnt call for it? A: I suspect it is a relic of an arcane attempt to belittle woman and make them slaves to thier men in backward counties.
8)Are honor killings allowed under sharia law?A:YES
9)Is slavery allowed under Islam/sharia law?A:YES
10)Is sirhan a brainwashed Satan worshiper? A:YES
BONUS ROUND:
Report Post »100 POINTS:
Q: If Moses is an Islamic prophet, why dont the muslims follow the ten commandments?A: Because the islamic faith is a twisted concoction of Bible stories tuned in knots at muhammads hand and all the poor muslims believe he is right. I say the same thing to Mormons when they swing by the house; please read the Bible before you start believing anything ANY mortal man tells you, then we can talk. The thing is I dont fear for my country or my life when they come a knockin cause the do follow a Christian ethic based on the ten commandments. sirhan-any response you may have to these things dosnt matter cause you idiology is so twisted yo