‘Einstein Was Wrong’: Does Physics End the Free Will Debate?
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Michio Kaku, a professor of theoretical physics and co-founder of string field theory, is the pop-scientist behind many bestselling books, like Physics of the Impossible: A Scientific Exploration into the World of Phasers, Force Fields, Teleportation, and Time Travel.
When he’s not writing bestselling books, he is continuing “Einstein’s search to unite the four fundamental forces of nature into one unified theory” and resolving a question that has occupied philosophers, theologians, and scientists since time immemorial:
Does free will exist?
In under two minutes, Dr. Kaku ends the free will debate once and for all. Or at least, he tries to.
Dr. Kaku says that physics ends the the free will debate. But does that mean there’s no such thing as free will? After all, if human beings are products of their physical, material parts–electrons, protons, and neutrons bound by the laws of time and space–then doesn’t that mean that we are all slaves to material determinism? Doesn’t that mean we have no free will?
Dr. Kaku explains:
Newtonian Determinism says that the universe is a clock, a gigantic clock that’s wound up in the beginning of time and has been ticking ever since according to Newton’s laws of motion. So what you’re going to eat 10 years from now on January 1st has already been fixed. It’s already known using Newton’s laws of motion. Einstein believed in that. Einstein was a determinist.
So goodbye free will? Not quite. In the clip below, Dr. Kaku argues that “Einstein was wrong.”
Via Big Think.
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spreadcommonsensenot pc
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 7:31pmHeres some “free will” for you ——GOD spoke it into existance———-Whoooooops you lose….
Report Post »TennesseeConservative
Posted on April 14, 2011 at 10:43amYou are right my friend.
Report Post »t00nces2
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 7:26pmYes bobodu, our rights are bestowed upon us by God. If they were not, we would have no rights.
Report Post »macpappy
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 9:21pmYou silly rabbit, your rights are bestowed on you by the local, county, state, federal, laws and the inforcement of them. If you don’t believe that I will give you a simple example. You used to have the right to say what you wanted to……now there is hate speach. Do you smoke? Only where you are allowed. God did not take those rights away man did. You don’t have any God given rights that man can not take away. Pretty soon too, it looks like.
Report Post »BetterDays
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 11:13pmThose rights given me under GOD are mine and mine alone to forfeit. So hypothetically let’s say a State makes a law outlawing the GOD given right of liberty, saying no person may leave this area. A free person then gas a choice to make, actually several. One, just because there is such a law does it actually impact him? Case in point “Sunday or Blue laws”, all 50 states have such laws on their books forbidding the doing of business’s of various types. Yet nowhere are these laws enforced, therefore they are of none effect to a free person. Two: does ones seeming compliance now necessarily indicate compliance if one intends to go later against the law? Not if one has heard the Spirit of GOD to do thusly, for that person us still free and obedient unto GOD and not the State.
Report Post »You misidentify privileges as rights MAC, understandable but a misnomer.
Personally the right I hold the dearest is my right to have a personal relationship with GOD as I understand Him., freedom of choice and expression and from a State mandated religion. Should any State (Or federal) authority be so unwise as to attempt to remove this right from me….in jails, in prisons, before judges and authorities unto death shall I stand free, GOD so willing.
macpappy
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 11:36pmOk, but your god given right to live….is being taken away everyday in places all over the world. Right here in the US the reason for getting put to death has changed until now a drug dealer can get the death penalty. I understand your faith in God and what is called God given rights, but make no mistake when the government comes to take those rights away, God will not raise a mighty wind to stop it. You are not very free if you are in prison or dead; unless you mean some kind of mystic freedom that bars and coffins can’t contain.
Report Post »macpappy
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 11:41pm@ Betterdays
Report Post »You and I have our beliefs and I would defend the right to those beliefs. The conversation has been great, and I have truely enjoyed comments from you, Jabber, TrollTrainer, and all the others. I will leave you with your own words.
“If at all Possiable be at peace with all mankind. Be quick to forgive and remember forgiveness is first an act then a request”
BetterDays
Posted on April 14, 2011 at 12:05amMac:
Report Post »I have enjoyed this conversation with you, and because you’re free, you choose to stand or not as you choose.
To answer your query, Yes. To me it would be a highest honor to stand before man and GOD defending my faith. And in defense of my faith no bars, or chains, nor stripes of abuse could remove my faith in GOD. For my relationship is internal but expressed externally, without need of voice I can both praise and communicate with my GOD. No one but I can remove that from me, and GOD so willing I never will. And as you can probably asertain, I am not shy in my faith, rather I have a Spirit of courage and not of fear.
I can personally attest to the fact that GOD is, but very witness I might give you, every truth I express may not convince you that metaphysics have nothing to do with REAL. Perhaps it’s because based upon worldly standards that I would be considered a failure, a weak man, that I found a desperate need for GOD to be all in all in my life. I don’t know why he chose me, but I do know that I am convinced and grateful that he has. I have had events transpire in my life that defy human logic to explain, were beyond the interference of men to facilitate, and were direct answers to my unspoken head only prayers of which I shared with no one before the answers came.
I wish I could put the wonder and power and glory of GOD in a nice package for people. Wrap Him up all pretty, but I can only say that even in a pit of vipers I am free in Christ Jesus.
LadyIzShy
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 7:23pma giant clock? huh? I will keep my faith in God thank you
Report Post »cognitivedissonance
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 7:34pmYes, it’s best not to strain your delicate brain on all this confusing science stuff, just believe in the invisible sky man and everything will work out okay.
Report Post »TheGreyPiper
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 7:48pmOh pardon us, Mr C.D., we bow to your vastly superior intellect, but some of us think that are more important things in the universe than one’s ******.
Report Post »Jabber
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 8:53pmTo CD-
“just believe in the invisible sky man and everything will work out okay.”
Atomic bombs. Weapons. Biochemical warfare. Tsunamis. Earthquakes. Supermassive black holes being discovered ALL over the universe…how’s that belief in all that visible science going to “work out” for you? Peachy I’m sure!
Report Post »cognitivedissonance
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 9:19pmWe will all die, we will all become nothing, the world will go on without us.
Report Post »Jabber
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 11:32pmCD-
“We will all die, we will all become nothing, the world will go on without us.”
Really? According to science, matter cannot be created or destroyed. So the world will go on WITH us-molecules break down and release gases and become other natural compounds. And those compounds then make up other things right? According to science, we have always “existed” in some form and will always exist in some form. :)
Report Post »TRONINTHEMORNING
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 7:21pmI find that scientists like him end up actually accepting the gift of salvation from Christ. Not always, but many times it happens. But until then, another fun ideology from a “mr. smartypants.”
Report Post »Jordan1
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 7:20pmEinstein & Kaku didn’t/doesn‘t believe in god for the same reason I don’t: It’s dumb to roll dice with logic! Religious books are so silly it’s hard to believe someone can read them without laughing…
Report Post »Jabber
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 7:38pm“Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.” (Albert Einstein, “Science, Philosophy and Religion: a Symposium”, 1941)
“I‘m not an atheist and I don’t think I can call myself a pantheist. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangements of the books, but doesn’t know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God.” (G. S. Viereck, Glimpses of the Great (Macauley, New York, 1930), quoted by D. Brian, Einstein: A Life , p. 186.)
(G. S. Viereck, “What Life Means to Einstein,” Saturday Evening Post, 26 October 1929):
“To what extent are you influenced by Christianity?”
Report Post »“As a child I received instruction both in the Bible and in the Talmud. I am a Jew, but I am enthralled by the luminous figure of the Nazarene.”
“Have you read Emil Ludwig’s book on Jesus?”
“Emil Ludwig’s Jesus is shallow. Jesus is too colossal for the pen of phrasemongers, however artful. No man can dispose of Christianity with a bon mot!”
“You accept the historical existence of Jesus?”
“Unquestionably! No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with such life.”
trolltrainer
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 7:45pmThank you Jabber, I was debating on whether I should take the time. Glad you did.
Report Post »Jabber
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 7:57pm“In view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognize, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what really makes me angry is that they quote me for the support of such views.”
I can do this with you all day.:)
That Einstein did not believe in a personal God is true. But he also said:
Report Post »“I believe in Spinoza’s God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings.”
thebarbarian
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 8:44pmyour a fool. Einstien was asked about god and said he did not Know. so why is it that people are afraid to admitt ignorance. i am asked often by people that know me well. for those who know of the events in my llife they are always curious to here the answer. I’ tell them the truth. I don’t know.
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 9:21pmYou’re a fool.
Why is it people always type things like, “your a fool” or “your an idiot”? It is you’re, not your. I normally wouldn’t care, but when calling someone else stupid you should at least use 5th grade grammar…
Einstein was not a born again Christian, he did not have a relationship of any kind with God. He was just smart enough to realize that there WAS a God.
You also do not know because you do not have a relationship with Him either. Have you ever felt His hand in your life? If yes then that is a good sign that you may someday come to know Him! You should seek Him out. Trust me, you can know! Just seek Him out, He will find you! He always does.
Report Post »BetterDays
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 10:14pmBarbarian:
You stated “Einstein was asked about god and he said ”I don’t know”.”
That’s an incorrect statement. Albert was a believer in GOD. While in college a professor was trying to illustrate how GOD could not be seen, touched, heard, or tasted therefor GOD wasn’t. Albert replied to his professor ” I can’t see your brain, I can’t hear your brain, I can’t touch your brain, and I can’t taste your brain. Thereof you have no brain.”
Report Post »OneFootRandy
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 7:19pmWho set the clock then, sir?
Report Post »BetterDays
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 7:18pmOK, this is going to spin some heads here but here goes.
Report Post »If God knows the beginning from the end, and He will choose who HE will choose then it is correct to say that “time” as we understand it, exists only for us.
In simpler terms, we do have free will to choose, but GOD already knows who does and who doesn’t. Got it?
DR. Kaku, is somewhat correct, as is usual when it come to theories. What he failed to grasp is that “time” is only a measure of unit here, on Earth. For as GOD said, it is enough that HE is.
“time” when viewed as a universal asumptive, is like assuming we are the most intelligent beings ever to be, not so much. That being said, man in his present condition would be bound by “time” anywhere, because it is a human parameter and we carry it with us.
G.W. Dobbs
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 9:49pmBETTERDAYS; Thank you for your insightful post. We humans live on a “Time Line” while God is in ALL time and He sees all Time at once.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 10:32pmEinstein saw space and time as a single creation and he held that all time exists already. The future exists alongside the past and the future just as one end of the universe exists “simultaneous” with every other part of the universe.
Augustine saw all this centuries ago when he stated that for God there is no past. God, the creator of time, dwells outside it in his divine nature. He sees the future and the past as todays which he creates simultaneously with his cration of time.
From this we can conclude that God created all the times in which our free will is worked out, and he did this outside any chronological system so that we cannot say that what happens in time does so because it is first ordained or that it is ordained because God sees it happen. All of human history, all of the universe’s history from the big bang to the “end” of time (even if time never chronologically ends), all of it was created at once, outside time, and God comprehends it all, and interacts with it all.
Report Post »liberalsarealiens
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 7:18pmThe universe is not only sranger than we imagine, it’s stranger than we CAN imagine! Only God knows all the angles! We can only try to understand how he did it all!
Report Post »eat-more-bacon-USA
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 7:16pmPlease get a proper haircut. Thank you.
Report Post »DeltaHawk
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 7:15pmPeople who don’t believe in God,will believe everything else!!
Report Post »macpappy
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 8:59pmPeople who don’t believe in God will have an open mind about everything else. some believe that God did not create man, Man created God; and in doing so allowed himself to live forever in heaven or have 70 virgins, or some other happy horse crap. Man needs to feel like he is more than the roach on the floor when it comes time to die.
Report Post »G.W. Dobbs
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 9:19pmThis Scientist may be correct; God chose HIS “before the Foundations of the Earth”. This explains why some people
Report Post »refuse to hear Him and intentionally refuse the Holy Spirit, the “unforgivable sin”. You can not have Salvation, Peace, Gifts of the Spirit, and, ultimately HIS REST if you refuse Him. All I know is, I PRAISE HIS HOLY NAME and THANK HIM for including me in HIS PLAN. It matters not what He has planned for me to eat ten years from now. In fact, without HIM, NOTHING MATTERS. I am IN HIM and HE IN ME.
Living a sinless life is possible.
macpappy
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 9:39pm@G.W.
Report Post »Sounds like an insurance salesman. No disrespect intended, just making a point. If God is what is written, omnipotent, all knowing, creator of all that exist, and Father to all that roam the earth; then riddle me this.
A man, a savage man of no learning, no reading, no knowledge of the Bible, or Jesus…..leads a true life, full of wonder and respect for mother earth and all that is in it, and lives by the Golden Rule all his life. Never does he break one of the 12 commandments, or commet a sin. When he dies, should he not be accepted into God’s heaven? No, because; he was ignorant of Jesus Christ, the son of God and never accepted him a the son of God. So this fine man goes to hell.
Sorry, but Christianity sounds like a story told by Jews for Jews. I got no problem with Jews, every people have their fairy tales and legends, remember Saint Nick came from the Germans.
BetterDays
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 10:17pmGWDOBBS:
Report Post »Kindred spirit, rather Brother meet thy Brother by the selfsame Spirit.
Very well spoken.
macpappy
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 10:24pmOk, but that’s way too simplistic for me, Besides, knowing that a true, sinless man does not exist by Christian terms, does not alleviate the scenario; IF he existed, is the whole concept of the question.
Report Post »Besides, sinless depends on the circumstances too; say Old Testament vs. New Testament. Boy did sin take on some new meanings there; of course getting forgiven was a big plus.
Sorry, but blind faith can make a man waste his whole life trying to be something that is not possible, and end up eaten by guilt for falling short.
BetterDays
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 10:41pmMacPappy:
There is a time period after the tribulation in the book of revelations when this Earth comes to a close, and before a New heaven and a new earth are made. This time period is 1000 years long between the two earths. All those who didn’t get to choose for Jesus because they were not told of him, like babies, little children, or anyone else. And those who did not receive the mark of the beast by accepting Jesus by choice are in heaven w/ GOD and Jesus. After that 1000 years comes the Judgement. one of gods promises to everyone post Christ is that the good news of Christ would reach everywhere, to date GODs word is being handed out in 173 of 175 nations world wide by Gideons international alone, and with over 16000 different Christian denominations world wide I’d say the time for choosing is just about over. God is just, a mans acts and unrepentant heart judge that man alone, for all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of GOD. We are saved by faith and not by our works, lest anyone should boast. In a court of law, your attorney is a surety before the court on your behalf, a guarantee. Jesus is your surety before GOD.
Many decry that a loving GOD wouldn’t allow for the terrible things that are to be. I say a terrible angel named lucifer is the cause, and love the only remedy. God is love, and to prove it He sent Hus only SON to die a sinners death when HE had no sin. Would you trust love if you had not seen the opposite ? No, for that would not be love, that would not be free will, that would be forced and untrue. There are many characteristics of GOD that seen through a humans lens seem capricious and beyond our Ken to understand the why’s, perhaps when I get home to my Lord I will recall my question and ask why? But chances are I’ll be much to busy being overjoyed to be with Jesus to remember those things. I hope you find what you are searching for, whatever it is.
If at all Possiable be at peace with all mankind. Be quick to forgive and remember forgiveness is first an act then a request.
Report Post »macpappy
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 11:10pmBetterdays
Report Post »I am glad that you can find such peace of mind, and salvation of soul in your beliefs. Your post was eloquent and heart felt, I appreciate that. I have really enjoyed the topic and the lucid, intelligent post that have sparked so many responses tonight. Your last sentence was to me; words that all men should live by.
“If at all Possiable be at peace with all mankind. Be quick to forgive and remember forgiveness is first an act then a request”
Rayblue
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 7:14pmNewtonian physics have already been observed to be less rigid than once thought.
Report Post »Light has been observed to travel faster than the limit imposed upon it by observation.
Also, the Michelson/Morley experiment has been observed to have similar flaws.
Anyone can reference these phenomena on internet physics forums. What this means is the choices made by one will influence others. Dr.Kaku can argue that everything is preordained from day one and I’m sure alot of people here will want to agree, but, chance and free will are also preordained
if you follow his own logic.
Rayblue
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 7:22pmsorry to be so dry..
Report Post »thebarbarian
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 8:39pmhe was’t arguing that everything was preordained. he argued against it. it was newtoinan phisics that believed in preordained systems.
Report Post »Harv
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 10:23pmUh, Try watching the video.
Report Post »Herndo
Posted on April 14, 2011 at 9:09amBut Dr. Kaku DIDN”T say everything was preordained. If you watch all of the video, he simply explains what Determinism is, and then explains that Einstein believed in it and follows up with the uncertainty theory and goes on to say Einstein was wrong and in fact Determinism is wrong.
Absolutely nothing he says in this video is false nor could be disproved. You CAN NOT measure exactly where or how fast any particular particle is moving, b/c the act of observing one changes the other. This has been proven many many times over. So he’s saying Determinism is wrong.
Report Post »bitter clinger
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 7:14pmFree will under the constraints of obama,lets see Kaku figure that out.
Report Post »skoz14
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 7:11pmposting an article like this is utterly useless on this blog. seeing as almost everyone who uses it is a fundamental christian and will try to move what kaku says in their religions favor. science and religion dont mix, i would like to see the religious followers on here read some of sagans work and try to fit their “faith” into it.
Report Post »Jabber
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 7:17pmSKOZ-
“science and religion dont mix”
What if religion is just the worship of the ultimate scientist?
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 7:33pmSagan worshiped the cosmos, every time he wrote it he capitalized it. :-)
Secular humanism is a religion like any other. So is evolution. Everyone has faith is something.
Report Post »skoz14
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 7:35pmthen what created the “ultimate scientist”?
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 7:39pmer…God, by definition, is an eternal being. In fact, everything EXCEPT God requires a first cause. God alone is eternal.
Such an old argument…
Report Post »Jabber
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 8:07pmOne of the fundamental principles of science is that matter cannot be created or destroyed right?
And it is an almost universally accepted principle that before the “big bang” created our universe in the space in which it now exists, there was nothing correct?
So where did all of that un-destroyable/uncreated matter that at one time was “NOT” there but at a later time “WAS” there-come from?
Report Post »EyeofthePatriot
Posted on April 14, 2011 at 1:10amActually Skoz… science exists as one of many means of God to communicate his LOVE to us. You see all the complex systems that make up even the microscopic of detail are a testament to Him and the beauty he has given to us here on Earth.
Each and every time I read posts like yours it saddens me and I pray that one day you will find The Truth. There is only one Truth. Make no mistake about it.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 7:11pmFree will is not something that can be proved by the scientists or philosophers. It has to be accepted as a fundamental reality, like the existence of a Creator.
Report Post »Paula
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 7:10pmWho created the ‘CLOCK’ genius????
Report Post »Meyvn
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 7:07pmAdd your comments
Report Post »Meyvn
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 7:07pmFool
Report Post »afflicted
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 7:07pmLove this guy. Wicked smart and I’m pretty sure he was one of the aliens that crashed in Roswell.
Report Post »TennesseeConservative
Posted on April 14, 2011 at 10:41amWell then, here is what that GOD says about that. The book of Proverbs says a man may make many decisions, but the outcome of that decision is ruled by GOD. Even what he says is directed by The All Mighty. Read Proverbs 16: 1 thru 9. Our creator reserves the right, as the creator to decide the outcome of our decisions. So yes we have free will, but the Great All Mighty I AM, decides the outcome of all decisions. When Moses ask what is your name, that I can tell your people who told me. He said I AM The self existing one, therefore I AM. That is a mechanical breakdown of the Hebrew language. In other words He is the only one, and does not need a name, there is no other. Get over it people, we have a creator. You will face him on judgement day. Repent and believe on his SON YESHUA HA MESHIACH. JESUS THE MESSIAH.
GOD’s self given sacrifice for atonement. NO other name under the heavens can a man be saved. GOD said it therefore it is true. Even if you hate that fact. Read also Isaiah 53.
No JW’s No Mormans, No catholics, No modern church Joel Osteens. No Benny Hinns, No Joyce Meyers, No Oprah winfreys, No Dr. Phils, No Muslims, No Buddhists, No Bahais, No Harold Campings, Only JESUS CHRIST. Dont like it, take it up with The Great Almighty I am . But then again what fool would argue with their Creator. Probably YOU.
Report Post »Rob_M
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 7:06pmHow can physics dictate if I go to burger king or mcdonalds for dinner?
Report Post »Jabber
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 7:20pmBecause physics knows that BK has the best hamburgers and McD’s has the best fries. Silly :P
Report Post »watchtheotherhand
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 11:56pmPhysics also knows that the question would be asked by ROB M and then answered by JABBER…….Dooh it knew I was going to post this too… Man that physics is smmmaaarrrttttt !!!!!!
Report Post »Its Gonna Getcha
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 7:05pmHave read a couple of his books. Good reading. If in our evolution we strive hard to be the best that we can be, the pain and uncertainty it took for us to get there is a part of that process. In this human realm on Earth, this allows for faith to exist.
Report Post »Jabber
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 7:13pmJust curious….And what about those who do not strive to be the best they can be? Those who evolve to be fat, lazy, underachieving losers? Is that part of a devolving of the species?
Who did Newton think wound that great big clock? And what did he suspect would happen when it ran down?
Report Post »thebarbarian
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 8:31pmthese are Q’s that have befuddled us for quite some time. also have read some of his books. don’t have a problem with either the scientific or the theological aims at discovering and questioning who we are and what our pupose is. what bothers me is that too many lack repect for views other than thier own. have a simple test: is it based in the seeking of truth and is it not evil in intent.
lets see, Carl sagan said that he was’nt against Christianity or any other religeon, that they were doing the same thing. just on different paths.that is seeking the answer to those Q’s, where libs. play this against conservatives. that Sagn was looking for the true answers.
Louis Pasture, through data observation noted a similarity in cow pox and small pox ( later in other pox diseases) and it was a news paper reporter who took his observations out of cantext and created fear in the public. again it was a lib.thereis an infamous cartoon charicture of his vaccine.
the big one, Charles Darwin, again it was a news paper reporter and yes a lib. who took Darwin’s words out of context. Darwin admitted to his stuggles with science and religion. adressing the evolution topic’ his p[ostulation about the origins of species was taken out of context. would urge you yo read both his major works on this subject:The Voyage of the Beagle and The Origins of speces. this constant bickering is counter productive and please realize that the left does so for selfish aims. the first is to rationalize their evil:eugenics for example. the sacond is to keep people divided. it makes it easier for them to utilize the prior to cull you.
look we all at times qestion our place and meaning in the grand sceme of things. this is however what we are supposed to do.so go and, “Question with boldness….”
so, please learn for yourselves the facts and make up your own mind. listening to the tripe libs spew only gives them what they wan’t:division.
Report Post »Its Gonna Getcha
Posted on April 16, 2011 at 12:48pm@jabber – You ask about “fat, lazy, underachieving losers” …… Those labels say nothing about how someone is experiencing life from the inside, or what their relationship with God is like. That’s a lazy way of labeling someone.
Report Post »Save The Republic--Convert a Liberal
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 7:04pmDuh? Just because there are geniuses that have uncovered great mysteries of our world, does not mean that they can uncover every mystery in erery category.
Report Post »foobear
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 9:39pmMichiu Kaku is more of a showboat than a genius, anyway.
But he’s wrong about quantum mechanics disproving determinism. QM complicates the issue, but if we’re all just robots taking orders from the pre-existing universe anyway, it doesn’t matter if the universe orders us to put on our shoes, or has a 50% chance of ordering us to put on our shoes, and a 50% chance of us telling us to take them off.
No, the real reason why determinism cannot be true is because determinism implies predictability. In other words, if the universe absolutely follows certain laws, then it is possible to predict what the future state of the universe will be like. However, you can set up a person (or a computer, if that’s easier to understand) to do the opposite of the predicted action.
It’s hard to show, via physics or logic, how free will be true. But since determinism must be false, and we define free will as the opposite of determinism, free will must be true.
Report Post »John 1776
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 7:02pmSo can we move the big clock forward until Obama is no longer POTUS ?
Report Post »alvino
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 7:12pmYes. One day at a time we travel into the future.
Report Post »warmac9999
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 7:00pmMan is made in the image of God, and every man has a piece of God within him. Of course there is free will.
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 7:12pmA Calvinist would argue that! :-)
Report Post »Jabber
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 7:27pmWarmac9999-
“every man has a piece of God within him.”
Is that what makes Him hole-y????? (could not resist tried.failed.)
Report Post »70S_KIDS_FIGHTING_SOCIALISM
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 8:34pmHe is trying to equate free will with something undetermined. His argument makes no sense. Lets say you take f=ma with the force being undetermined but once you know what the force is you can then know the rest before it happens like distance of a ball thrown.
Report Post »C. Schwehr
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 8:54pmA famous author came up with a phrase, a greeting actually….it pretty well explains everything in one sentence……THOU ART GOD.
Report Post »Mikee T
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 7:00pmGee….Professor Orthopod Egg Head ….. There is a little problem called “The Creator” / “Yahweh”…..What say you about that ?
Report Post »Non-sequitur
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 7:03pmHe probably wouldn’t SAY anything but pat you on the head and give you a friendly little smile.
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 7:11pmThat is probably the precise reaction we could expect from him.
Ah well…As long as he believes he has all the answers…The yolk is on him…
Report Post »bobodu
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 7:22pmHey…has anyone heard from God lately? I mean..it’s been a couple thousand now. No phone calls, no walking on water…not even a lousy email. He didn’t protect the Jews from Hitler. He didn’t save the Christians from an airplane or two. Back in Biblical times, it seemed he was popping in and out like a mouse.
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 7:29pmListening to him just now in fact! He is telling me to be nice!
God bless you bobodu, hope you find Him someday. :-)
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 7:40pmYes Bob, I hear from GOD all the time. Every time I hug my little girl, we talk.
Sorry you don’t have that in your life.
Report Post »Jabber
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 8:42pmTheRightsofBilly,
I see and “hear” God all the time too. When I’m digging in my garden as the weather grows warmer. When I watch such huge, bounteous plants emerge from microscopic seeds. When I watch the sunset turn bright fuchsia against the mountains outside my window. When I hold a newborn baby.
I was thinking about this topic yesterday while I was baking. All the “ingredients” I needed to make a cake existed in my kitchen at just the right moment-flour, sugar, salt, oil etc. But it was physically (and scientifically) impossible for them to “evolve” into a “cake” unless they were acted upon by a sentient being who understands the chemistry of cake making. In no other way could all the ingredients required come together in exactly the right amounts, be mixed to the right consistency, and then heated properly for the correct amount of time required to become “cake”.
And how did those ingredients end up in my kitchen? Did they “evolve” there? Was it a cosmic coincidence, act of nature that brought them all together in the same space at the same time? No. Of course not. From the plants and mineral deposits where they originated to my kitchen were hundreds of points in time where they could have ended up anywhere other than in my cupboards. They were here because of the actions of hundreds of sentient beings beyond myself-farmers, businessmen, truck drivers, packaging workers, stock clerks, cashiers, automobile makers etc, recipe creators, and yes-scientists.
And scientists will tell me that all of those ingredients, along with my kitchen, my appliances, the electricity to run them, my hands, my intellect, my desire to eat cake, and LITERALLY the matter and materials that came together in that moment has been in “existence”-moving towards that specific point in time-yesterday when I made cake-for something like 15 billion years….by accident/fluke of nature/evolution….because certain molecules and protons and electrons ran into each other randomly over time.
Uh huh. Yeah.
Report Post »C. Schwehr
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 8:52pmThe Creator is man’s attempt at understanding just exactly how the universe came to be. We’ve only just started to understand the mechanics (quantum or otherwise) of this place we call the universe. Your belief system does not affect reality in any way other than that it steers you to believe in a certain way.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on April 14, 2011 at 1:08am@ JABBER
I read all your posts through page 4, and enjoyed them very much.
Report Post »Have you written any books? If not, you should.
You have quite a talent there.
staggerlee32
Posted on April 14, 2011 at 1:32amAll I have to say is Shlep Smith LOVES this guy
Report Post »Mirimichi
Posted on April 14, 2011 at 11:49amJabber
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Very good.
Report Post »Jabber
Posted on April 14, 2011 at 6:40pmTherightsofbilly-
Awwww shucks. You are so nice! All glory to the creator though….on my own I’m just atoms and cells and the great-great-great-great*inahle*great-great-great granddaughter of a really ambitious sea monkey…or something. :P
Maybe someday I’ll get around to writing a book….but right now it would take too much of the time I’ve chosen to dedicate to target practice and having my cheeks stretched out so I can “hoard” food for my family with all those other nutjob conservatives…….*wink*
Report Post »GODSAMERICA
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 6:58pmFools go where angels fear to tread is a perfect example of this story.
Report Post »AzDebi
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 7:03pmThis is better…more entertaining…
“Barack the Magic Suit in Imagination Land!”
http://frontpagemag.com/2011/04/13/barack-the-magic-suit/
Report Post »AzDebi
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 7:08pmBUT…God KNOWS which direction that electron is going to move in! It’s a funny thing called CREATIONISM! AND….God is Omnipotent…NOT Omnipresent! So, you’d better be GOOD!
Report Post »Jabber
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 7:15pmThat’s why the word fool was invented :-)
Report Post »bobodu
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 7:15pmAnd the Earth is only 4500 years old and rights are bestowed upon us by GAWDDDD.
cheezwhiz
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 7:20pmKaku is a global warming kook.
Report Post »Kaku’s caca has been debunked so many times :
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/01/27/michio-kaku-goes-cuckoo-for-global-warming-fueled-snowstorms/
For matters of science, I’d rather stick with analytical minds than political hacks and media-hoors
Hugie 59 PA
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 7:27pmGod is both omnipotent and omnipresent. God can’t be limited by time and space. God is infinite.
Report Post »Showtime
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 7:33pmI don‘t care a rat’s banana what he says. I’ve lived for 71 years without his gooble-de-****.
Report Post »70S_KIDS_FIGHTING_SOCIALISM
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 7:42pmKaku is a PBS hack who goes in with the left politically correct answers manipulating science to make it agree.
Report Post »Citizen
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 7:47pmTime is within God. God is not within time.
There is no beginning or end to God because God is outside of time. As humans we are stuck in time for now and hardly can grasp the thought of not living in time.
we see time like this ____________________________________________ as one continuous line.
now turn that line 90 degrees on the horizontal plane and this is how God sees time . He looks down the whole thing at once. There is no before or after to him only to us.
Report Post »parlayer
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 7:59pmLets ask that 12 year old!!
Report Post »1952
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 8:16pm@Parlayer…. that’s exactly what I was thinking. At least the kid may not be jaded or corrupted by political thinking.
Report Post »Ruler4You
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 8:18pmI appreciate theoretical philosophy, especially from people who “think” they are highly educated, but still offer only rhetoric as substantive ‘proof’ for any thing. And, oddly, it‘s always ’their‘ theory they are promoting and always someone else’ they are dissatisfied with.
Get back to the drawing board. And don’t stop until you have some thing REAL to offer. I get theory. I don’t get why you want me to change my faith, from God to your theory, with less “proof” than has been offered in God.
Report Post »felina g
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 8:22pm“Man is a being with free will; therefore, each man is potentially good or evil, and it’s up to him and only him (through his reasoning mind) to decide which he wants to be.”
Ayn Rand
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 8:45pm@GodsAmerica:
Fools indeed go where angels fear to tread.
Goes to show how smart the angels are compared to humans; and people wonder why in the good book we are called sheep?
Report Post »Dustyluv
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 9:00pmThis has been the religious debate since men started to reason…
Report Post »Xyskalla
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 9:14pmIt’s nice to see that physics is finally catching up to the 17th century.
This is nothing new. Philosophers have been debating this for centuries, some using those same arguments even if the terminology is different. And other philosophers have been successfully rebutting that same reasoning for centuries, too. Neither side wins, neither side says anything new.
Report Post »Marylou7
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 9:25pmroflmbo My Mom once told me that being a genius is a hair away from being an idiot. I think this man’s hair fell out.
Report Post »S G Applebee
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 9:39pmBeing a fan of Beck, it makes me sad that so many ignoramuses post here. From reading these comments, it‘s OBVIOUS most didn’t even watch the video, but simply spouted off assuming they already knew what Kaku was going to say.
This is the problem with the religious mind. Believers (ALL believers, not just Christians), begin with the answers (the sacred text they believe in), and then seach for evidence that confirms their foregone conclusion. Sad, very sad.
The religious minded also have a huge problem admitting there’s a big difference between KNOWING and BELIEVING. And of course when the DO admit there’s a difference, THEY are always the one who “knows”, and it’s others who only “believe”.
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jzs
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 9:50pmDr. Kaku is trying to popularize science – in this case the area of physics – much as Carl Sagan did very effectively during his life. Ideas about free will are in the domain of philosophy, and far from the study of physics, but he’s trying to draw young young people into studying physics by appealing to their philosophical interests.
And that’s terrific. The US can remain the leader in science only if we, as a country, encourage in every way every young American to study science. As country we should try to make the pool of young people studying science as large as possible. Some of those young Americans will move to the front and then become leaders in different areas of technology: physics, medicine, engineering, computer science etc. during their lives and keep America the leader in these areas.
This doesn’t have anything to do with whether God exists. Why would God not want humans to pursue knowledge? Galileo had to recant his support for the idea that the Earth moved around the sun, but folks that was five hundred years ago. We don‘t do that anymore and it’s senseless to think that God prohibits belief in some part of science based on some other persons literal interpretation of the Bible. Evolution is an example – few educated pastors now deny evolution. They find it in no way inconsistent with the belief in God (God could do evolution right?).
If you actually want to know what this guy is talking about follow the link. It’s geared toward junior high students but an accurate depiction of what scientists learned, not last year, but 50 years ago. The world is weirder than you think, and probably weirder than you can think.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfPeprQ7oGc
Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 10:00pmThat argument has already been tried and responded to.
Hawking Not Needed to Explain His New Book, Says Universe
Report Post »http://www.evolutionnews.org/2010/09/hawking_not_needed_to_explain037911.html
jzs
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 10:18pmDoctor, that’s a clever article. I‘ve read several of Hawking’s books, and several of Dawkins. I’m not familiar with the others. Good post – seriously!
Report Post »Uriel
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 10:42pm70S_KIDS_FIGHTING_SOCIALISM and cheezwhiz are exactly right. Kaku is a hardcore leftist, and you can be sure that unless you’re actually discussing “string theory”, what comes from him is purest ingnorant liberal tripe.
Report Post »banjarmon
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 11:04pmFree will gives me the freedom to drink beer or not….My free will says I will not…
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 11:54pmJZS for once I agree with you
Report Post »Physicist_In_Training
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 11:55pmA lot of posts here seem very ignorant in the way that physicists view “time.” It seems that the assumption is that physicists can’t possibly be right, because humans measure time all wrong, as a constraining, linear measurement. Sorry folks, but it’s been at least 100 years since physicists stopped looking at time that way. Some aspiring thinkers abandoned that idea even longer before that. There‘s even a word for particles that behave in the way that many of you talk about the supernatural beings’ perception of time (i.e., they see everything at once, rather than linearly; there is no past, present, or future to them any more than there is a different relative dimension of space for you when you’re standing in one spot); these particles are called “tachyons.” Their defining property is that they move faster than the speed of light, which is what causes their unique perception of time. These models are well-developed, as well as just plain fascinating in their nature. I encourage all of you to do a little research into this incredible and interesting subject.
Report Post »AzDebi
Posted on April 14, 2011 at 12:04am@Citizen:
“…we see time like this ____________________________________________ as one continuous line.
now turn that line 90 degrees on the horizontal plane and this is how God sees time . He looks down the whole thing at once. There is no before or after to him only to us.”
Report Post »_________________
Excellent analogy! Thank You!
jzs
Posted on April 14, 2011 at 12:43amRepubliCorp, thanks! I wasn’t expecting any support on that post, believe me. You must read in your spare time. Okay if you disagree with me on everything else, but thanks for your support on this one.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on April 14, 2011 at 12:47amHey JZS,
I’m observing your posts. Does that mean they will change? Maybe for the better? I hope so. I’d hate to think I watched the cartoon for nothing.
GOD Bless, my friend
Report Post »BoiseBaked
Posted on April 14, 2011 at 1:16amHey you believers that are somehow threatened by what Dr. Kaku saids. Get a grip. Even if Kaku is wrong, which I don‘t think he is wrong and I’m a believer, he or what he says shouldn’t threaten you, not in the least. If it does, wow, go back and hit the books… you’ve gone off the rails.
Report Post »BoiseBaked
Posted on April 14, 2011 at 1:24amI don’t get it. What’s the story here? I like Dr. Kaku. If it supposed to be a feel good story, I guess I don’t expect that from TheBlaze.com.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on April 14, 2011 at 1:28am@Boise
You sound half-baked.
Report Post »Come back when you are fully baked, and we’ll talk
jzs
Posted on April 14, 2011 at 1:34amBilly, I’m not observing your posts. Sorry. But if I see one, I’ll respond if you say something half-way sensible.
Report Post »anutter
Posted on April 14, 2011 at 2:33amI like Michio Kaku, but he is what he is. A professor of [THEORETICAL] physics. It might as well be a debate about creationism vs. evolution.
Report Post »Robert W
Posted on April 14, 2011 at 3:19amStraight A stupid.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on April 14, 2011 at 3:28amJZS,
Not looking for a response my friend.
Just wonder why you seem to think it’s your responsibility to stop in here all the time and “edumucate” us dumb Glenn Beck fans.
The long winded lectures are boring and condescending. We don’t need to be “enlightened” by a pompous socialist. You are not changing any hearts or minds. We all see you for what you really are.
Report Post »Polwatcher
Posted on April 14, 2011 at 5:41amThis is the kind of post that makes people think. I can see from the comments that a lot of people have a problem with this.
Report Post »lineinthesand
Posted on April 14, 2011 at 6:44ambanjarmon
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 11:04pm
“Free will gives me the freedom to drink beer or not….My free will says I will not…”
And my free will says I will drink my beer and also your share as long as you won’t need it…
Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on April 14, 2011 at 9:38am@jzs,
“Ideas about free will are in the domain of philosophy, and far from the study of physics”
The dirty little secret about science is that it ALL has its foundation in philosophy, since, inherent in the questions asked – though while the answers are arbitrarily limited in scope to those of an empirical nature – is a commitment to the laws of logic which define both correct philosophy and correct science; for example, the scientific requirement of repeatability is just the application of the philosophical principle of the Law of Excluded Middle.
So free will, science, and religion are all in the domain of philosophy. In fact philosophy is what allows science to support or undermine some religious claims.
The tendency to want to place religion into a separate group is based on a desire to respect peoples’ freedom to believe what they want for themselves – especially when unreasonable religious beliefs affect someone you care about, or affect others.
But, while we need the freedom to come to our own conclusions, a commitment to logic does not require us to exclude religion from tests of falsifiability (such as a test of conformity to the Law of Excluded Middle). For example, for those who claim that their holy book is the source of all knowledge, it would help to explain to them that the very ability to understand the author’s intent requires prior linguistic knowledge, which itself comes with all sorts of logical associations of concepts.
Report Post »JETinJAXFL
Posted on April 14, 2011 at 10:37am@ S G Applebee
Report Post »And there is the rub. I cannot know “for you”. I cannot believe “for you”. I cannot have faith “for you”. These things are for the individual. As an individual I can share these things “with you”. I cannot “make” you believe. You have to find these things for yourself.
Michael61
Posted on April 14, 2011 at 10:48amScience is the belief in the ignorance of the experts – Richard Feynman
Nobody knows nothing, we can only create theories.
Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on April 14, 2011 at 11:16am@Michael61,
“Nobody knows nothing, we can only create theories.”
Interestingly, that statement, itself, is a claim to know something. In fact, there are two claims being made here.
And that which allows you to make these knowledge claims is a certain amount of knowledge about logic – you at least understand that if it WERE true that nobody knew anything, then it would follow that we could only create theories.
Thankfully, you are not so consistent with your logic that you would refuse yourself the ability to make the claim – in spite of the fact that it is self-contradictory.
Report Post »iheartgeorgewashington
Posted on April 14, 2011 at 11:18amHow many watched the video?
Report Post »I don‘t always agree with Kaku’s conclusions, but he is right in this instance. Man DOES have a free will. That is the sole purpose of man’s existence. God wanted to create something that not only could be the recipient of His Love, but he also desired something that would CHOOSE to love Him in return. That in essence is free will. We choose to love God or not to love God. That is the ULTIMATE freedom of choice.
You’d think liberals and progressives would run to embrace that choice…or could it be that they don’t really want all humans to have freedom of choice. Hmmm?
I do not agree with Kaku on the matter of electrons. Just because we can’t predict where it will be, does not mean that there is no pattern. Man just simply has yet to find that pattern. The only thing God ever rolled the dice on is mankind…yet He had Plan B…Redemption though Jesus Christ.
I Love Section 8 Housing
Posted on April 14, 2011 at 12:57pmPutting an article like this on this website is like expecting a roach to understand the orbit of the planets.
Report Post »Eliasim
Posted on April 14, 2011 at 1:16pmHa. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know these things. If all things were relative, then the universe would have never had a beginning. And of course we have some free-wills just as a daughter or a son has certain free-wills in the house of their parents, and yet it has been predetermined that at some point they will move out into their own house. And, all things are not relative in your own house in relationship to the world outside the house, and so it is with the universe.
Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on April 14, 2011 at 2:57pmDr. Kaku cleverly attempts to avoid concluding that a God necessarily exists (or at least attempts to make God irrelevant to the equation) by trying to account for free will by appealing to OUR uncertainty as to where an electron is.
This, of course, doesn’t address the fact that an electron IS at a certain place at a certain time, and electrons are deterministic.
Free will, by definition, is not constrained by determinism.
Report Post »Suchy
Posted on April 14, 2011 at 4:46pmThis man is a genius. As like most of them. No common sense!
Report Post »RJO
Posted on April 14, 2011 at 5:53pmThere you go again………
What amazes me is this: Human beings have limitations on intelligence, understanding, comprehension and translation of fact (perceived fact) into practical-coherent application.
This gentlemen has cranial limitations….so limited that anything beyond his ability to understand or comprehend would border on illogical or lunacy, because such understanding or analysis is based on his severe limitation to comprehend.
Meaning……..any explanation beyond human understanding IS A POSSIBILITY and a PROBABILITY considering our sever cranial limitations.
How big is God….how massive…how powerful? My hunch….trying to understand God in mortal, human terms in the presence of God would instantly fry the brain!
Report Post »BonnieBlueFlag
Posted on April 14, 2011 at 10:23pm@Citizen
I like your line/ray illustration a lot.
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