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EPA Penalizes Refiners For Failing to Use Fuel That ‘Does Not Exist’

Companies supplying motor fuel will have to pay approximately $6.8 million in fines to the Treasury because they failed to “mix a special type of biofuel into their gasoline and diesel,” writes Matthew L. Wald of the New York Times.

However, the fine isn’t the worst part. The worst part is the fact that the refiners could have tried everything in their power to remain in compliance with standards set by the 2007 Energy Independence and Security Act, and it might not have mattered.

Why? Because there is not enough of this “special type of biofuel” to go around. In fact, with the exception of some scattered workshops and laboratories, “the ingredient, cellulosic biofuel, does not exist,” according to the Times report.

And by 2012, these companies are expected to pay even higher penalties for failing to include cellulosic biofuel in their product. Refiners were required to blend 6.6 million gallons into gasoline and diesel in 2011 and face a quota of 8.65 million gallons this year, according to the Times.

That seems like an awfully difficult task considering cellulosic biofuel doesn’t exist in the amounts required.

“It belies logic,” Charles T. Drevna, the president of the National Petrochemicals and Refiners Association, said of the 2011 quota, according to the Times. And raising the quota for 2012 when there is no production makes even less sense, he said.

The reasoning behind the Energy Independence and Security Act? Rules like the one ordering refiners to blend cellulosic biofuel with their product would help reduce greenhouse gas emission. However, even supporters of “green energy” are starting to admit that, yeah, the penalties are a little unreasonable.

“From a taxpayer/consumer standpoint, it doesn’t seem to make a lot of sense that we would require blenders to pay fines or fees or whatever for stuff that literally isn’t available,” said Dennis V. McGinn, a retired vice admiral who serves on the American Council on Renewable Energy.

Michael J. McAdams, executive director of the Advanced Biofuels Association, said the technology for turning biological material into hydrocarbons wasn’t advanced enough for commercial introduction when the 2007 bill was passed – and that they’ve only made minor advances since.

“There are some that are closer to the beaker and some that are closer to the barrel,” he said.

Wald reports:

The Texas renewable fuels company KiOR, for example, has broken ground on a plant in Columbus, Miss., that plans to start turning Southern yellow pine chips into gasoline and diesel components in the fourth quarter of 2012 at an annual rate of 11 million gallons, although  Matthew Hargarten, a spokesman, said the quantity to be produced this year might be adjusted.

But this has not deterred McGinn and Cathy Milbourn, an E.P.A. spokeswoman, from defending the energy statute.

“I am absolutely convinced from a national security perspective and an economic perspective that the renewable fuel standard, writ large, is the right thing to do,” said McGinn.

Milbourn maintains that the 8.65-million-gallon quota for “cellulosic ethanol” for 2012 was “reasonably attainable.” By setting a quota, she added, “we avoid a situation where real cellulosic biofuel production exceeds the mandated volume,” which would weaken demand, writes Wald.

So, let’s see if we got this straight: Congress passed a bill in 2007 requiring refiners to blend cellulosic biofuel with their gasoline and diesel. However, when the 2007 bill was passed, the companies making the biofuel were nowhere near able to produce it in the amounts required by the bill. And refiners are going to be fined approximately $6.8 million for failing to use a biofuel that “does not exist.”

Does any of this seem reasonable?

But wait! There’s something else. Wald reports:

One possible early source is the energy company Poet, a large producer of ethanol from corn kernels. The company is doing early work now on a site in Emmetsburg, Iowa, that is supposed to produce up to 25 million gallons a year of fuel alcohol beginning in 2013 from corn cobs.

And Mascoma, a company partly owned by General Motors, announced last month that it would get up to $80 million from the Energy Department to help build a plant in Kinross, Mich., that is supposed to make fuel alcohol from wood waste. Valero Energy, the oil company, and the State of Michigan are also providing funds.

Yet other cellulosic fuel efforts have faltered. A year ago, after it was offered more than $150 million in government grants, Range Fuels closed a commercial factory in Soperton, Ga., where pine chips were to be turned into fuel alcohols, because it ran into technological problems.

So, Congress passed a bill ordering refiners to add a certain type of biofuel to their product, and the only entities (discounting the defunct Range Fuels) that are anywhere near being able to produce it in the amounts needed are the privately owned Poet and a company owned in part by General Motors (Mascoma)?

Interesting.

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  • UBETHECHANGE
    Posted on January 11, 2012 at 3:04pm

    This makes blood shoot out of my eyeballs. The EPA needs to be abolished into oblivion.

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    • red barchetta
      Posted on January 11, 2012 at 4:44pm

      Ok, but you will need an epa approval for blood shooting eyeballs.

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    • turkey13
      Posted on January 11, 2012 at 6:03pm

      The first thing obama is going to do with an executive order after he is re-elected is to force all families that make over $100,000. a year is a mandate that they buy a Chevy Volt.

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    • yougottabekidding
      Posted on January 11, 2012 at 6:16pm

      You have to admit Hussainis creative! He raises our taxes by fining people that create things we need so we have to pay higher prices for everything, then stands there and says those Repubs don’t want you to have a tax holiday. Hey guess what you stupid lefties he’s getting more of your money then you know all the while he is professing to polish your apple!

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    • AmericanPatriot01
      Posted on January 11, 2012 at 6:26pm

      I say eliminate all Dept’s of Oppression, Starting with the FED and the EPA!

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    • cuinsong
      Posted on January 11, 2012 at 6:31pm

      I wrote this song. it’s called “what’s wrong with this song” Because of all the B.S. that is part of this admin. We are under attack and are being regulated out of existence with unreasonable, unworkable stupid requirements. All with the help of congress which does nothing but wring their hands like they are impudent to stop Obama and his illegal czar’s http://www.reverbnation.com/play_now/song_9134749

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    • stang289
      Posted on January 11, 2012 at 6:36pm

      We have one being built right here in Florida . at the expense of the taxpayers . http://www.newplanetenergy.com/

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    • IMPEACHBHO
      Posted on January 11, 2012 at 6:41pm

      BHO gave more power to the EPA. BTW – I heard the Chevy Volt cost 250,000 per vehicle to produce…great plan. We need to get EPA out of the way and restore sanity.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kqVZUCRth0&t=17m40s

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    • Baddoggy
      Posted on January 11, 2012 at 6:57pm

      It’s easy…Pay the fines with money that does not exist. Just whip something up in the laboratory on green paper and tell them where to shove it.

      End the EPA now. They are all commie bas@ards!!

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    • MakeTheMiddleEastAGlassFactory
      Posted on January 11, 2012 at 7:00pm

      If I was these people I would be suing the Feds.

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    • fatjack
      Posted on January 11, 2012 at 7:04pm

      And the fines are passed on to who?

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    • sndrman
      Posted on January 11, 2012 at 7:11pm

      RED BAR…….TEST for ECHO’s

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    • sndrman
      Posted on January 11, 2012 at 7:16pm

      RED BARCHETTA TEST for ECHO’s…….

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    • ChiefGeorge
      Posted on January 11, 2012 at 7:26pm

      Boy is this 1984 stuff or what! What did Pacinos character say to the board in the movie Scent of a woman? “I’d take a flame thrower to this place”. EPA = Terrorists

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    • Tower7_TRUTH
      Posted on January 11, 2012 at 7:29pm

      I believe that liberty is the only genuinely valuable thing that men have invented, at least in the field of government, in a thousand years. I believe that it is better to be free than to be not free, even when the former is dangerous and the latter safe. I believe that the finest qualities of man can flourish only in free air — that progress made under the shadow of the policeman’s club is false progress, and of no permanent value. I believe that any man who takes the liberty of another into his keeping is bound to become a tyrant, and that any man who yields up his liberty, in however slight the measure, is bound to become a slave.” ~ H.L. Mencken

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    • The-Monk
      Posted on January 11, 2012 at 7:44pm

      If they hadn’t put dope smoking Willie Nelson in charge of biofuels it might have been available. LOL

      But, then again…. the EPA might have done this on purpose just to collect the fines and/or put companies out of business.

      If they need a good source of cellulosic material I suggest the back side of that angry lady in the WH..

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    • jb.kibs
      Posted on January 11, 2012 at 7:56pm

      don’t pay it, hire private security.
      who is the EPA? NO BODY.

      HIRE PRIVATE SECURITY!

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    • Grey Eagle
      Posted on January 11, 2012 at 8:32pm

      I agree. The EPA is totally out of control and needs to be eliminated.

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    • Tower7_TRUTH
      Posted on January 11, 2012 at 8:44pm

      GREY EAGLE only Ron Paul has stated he will eliminate the EPA
      I think Perry tried but then forgot what was popular……
      Mitt sure as Hell hasn’t stated he would eliminate anything but our gun rights
      and freedom.

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    • jhaydeng
      Posted on January 11, 2012 at 9:17pm

      I saw 3 EPA workers today at a local deli and they were talking about how they were all looking forward to getting transfered to the West Coast from the East Coast! Please EPA move everything to the West Coast!

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    • KTsayz
      Posted on January 11, 2012 at 10:02pm

      Only Paul and Perry want to abolish the EPa. Makes them much more attractive candidates after reading this.

      I would just not pay. They can try to shut them down, but short of getting the military to surround them, there really isn’t anything the EPA can do.
      If companies revoltved than the revolting EPA would be gone.

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    • Detroit paperboy
      Posted on January 11, 2012 at 10:03pm

      What should NOT EXIST is the EPA……

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    • BonnieBlueFlag
      Posted on January 11, 2012 at 10:16pm

      This is the new Stamp Act: nothing new. It’s just a slimy way to hide an illegal tax. They think they are so clever. We will see who has the last laugh, Washington.

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    • db321
      Posted on January 11, 2012 at 10:51pm

      And they didn’t grease the Widgets with Peanut Butter. Some here is really a moron. My guess it’s the Government Agency.

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    • calisun
      Posted on January 11, 2012 at 11:11pm

      If you want to shoot Cathy Milbourn an e-mail you can reach her at milbourn.cathy@epa.gov or better yet just give her a call at her office 202-564-7849 or maybe her cell phone 202-420-8648.

      I’m sure she would love to hear from you.

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    • 3monkeysmomma
      Posted on January 12, 2012 at 12:10am

      Vote for Ron Paul. He’s going to get rid of this and four other completely useless agencies.

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    • pamela kay
      Posted on January 12, 2012 at 12:32am

      UBETHECHANGE, The EPA, (EVIL PROGRESSIVE AGENDA) will stop at nothing to push the progressive agenda through. I agree with you 100%

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    • Mr. H.
      Posted on January 12, 2012 at 1:48am

      First we should un-elect the idiots that wrote the 2007 Energy Independence and Security Act. After that, we should un-elect every legislator that voted for the 2007 Energy Independence and Security Act. After that we may abolish the EPA.

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    • ghostsouls
      Posted on January 12, 2012 at 3:03am

      @Red Barchetta ROMFFLMMFAO

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    • thetreyman
      Posted on January 12, 2012 at 5:10am

      i keep hearing this, the military is for ron paul because he gets most of their donations. can someone tell me exactly what percent of the military, current and past because i have heard vets thrown in too, has donated to ron paul. i dont know but if someone could tell me that would be nice.

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    • Ruler4You
      Posted on January 12, 2012 at 6:05am

      Get ready folks, this isn’t the last of these kinds of “blatant” back door tax increases coming our way from every bureaucracy, department, division, agency and office in government. obango has created a politburo the likes of which the soviets would be proud of (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJty-It1cS0) (http://shutking.blogspot.com/2010/06/video-of-tom-fife-telling-of-his-story.html).

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    • Shiroi Raion
      Posted on January 12, 2012 at 6:21am

      Next, the EPA will fine American $100,000 per day for not having green unicorns that inhale carbon dioxide and carbon monoxide and never exhales. Breathing bad! Taxes good! Cars and energy bad! Unicorns and fairies good! Cars and electricity must run on pink and green pixie dust by tomorrow morning or EPA will destroy your business!

      To keep it pithy. O’Reilly should give the EPA “The Pinheads of the Decade Award.”

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    • Nursenevada
      Posted on January 12, 2012 at 6:33am

      How about getting congress to pass a mandate that every time the EPA fines companies for something that can’t be fulfilled, they have to produce some kind of funding, on their own, by producing a product similar to what they wanted to be used, using their own funding and pay the fines themselves if it’s not done in time.

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    • Obama_Sham
      Posted on January 12, 2012 at 6:55am

      And people think the Taliban, Al Qaeda, et. al are our enemies?!? Can someone please tell me the difference between those groups and the EPA, OSHA, FCC, FDA, SEC, NRC or any other 3 letter organization that is part of the alphabet soup group?!?

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    • loriann12
      Posted on January 12, 2012 at 7:03am

      You know the definition for biofuel? Made from ANYTHING that is living or was once living. I suppose in order to solve this shortage they will soon endorse euthanasia (however you spell that, it’s early). Or perhaps they could use all the homeless who die and no one claims the body. Talk about population control incentive.

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    • TheWholeTruth
      Posted on January 12, 2012 at 7:46am

      They need to get smart. There is already recent case law that states the government agencies can NOT force you to do something that costs money UNLESS they pay for it themselves. Now, logic would dictate that they can‘t force these companies to buy the additive in the first place and let alone if it doesn’t exist for them to buy in order to be in ‘compliance.’ So, our coal fire power plants don’t have to meet EPA standards IF the changes they are regulating costs the plants money to implement. Cool how the law works. It‘s simply that they do not REALIZE it’s already been tried in court and found to be so.

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    • Stuck_in_CA
      Posted on January 12, 2012 at 8:33am

      The all out attack on the system continues, from every direction. Just wait till the “lame duck”
      IMPEACH NOW!

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    • old white guy
      Posted on January 12, 2012 at 9:11am

      don’t pay the fines. go to court and ask where they were supposed to get the fuel from. even a dull judge would be able to understand that if something is not there it can’t be used.

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    • whizkid
      Posted on January 12, 2012 at 9:46am

      Amen!!!

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    • Bluebonnet
      Posted on January 12, 2012 at 10:05am

      Then you wonder why America is losing our self reliance? It’s the ones we allow to make stupid laws. I’m tired of the EPA ruining hope for any new jobs in America. I’m tired of saving what is killing jobs and the American way of life. Pick up a bunch of the stupid little critters and relocate them, then we can get to work and get the job done for the people (for a change)

      As it’s turned out, all the endangered thingies (darter snails, etc) have been found in other places, so it’s the EPA who is hurting our way of life for no reason except to put the hammer on US and control what we do. I’m for protecting endangered species, but why not relocate them? DUH? Get to Work.

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    • carbonyes
      Posted on January 12, 2012 at 10:36am

      This is the idiocy of the EPA, the Obama administration and the idiots that promote this insanity, which jacks up the price of fool with no benefit to the environment or the people who breath the air, which is you and me. Another reason why Ron Paul should at least be heeded on the domestic front.

      Give Obama a one way ticket this fall, and tell him never to show his face again.

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    • frankyork
      Posted on January 12, 2012 at 11:46am

      http://dailycaller.com/2012/01/06/modern-dancers-bed-bug-battlers-earth-worshipers-get-epa-environmental-justice-grants/

      This will make your head explode.

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    • Hollywood
      Posted on January 12, 2012 at 12:26pm

      I just think the Obama admin,and their appointed acolytes in the EPA,DOE etc are trying to drive everyone INSANE. I think they have a secret agenda to do this, using everyone as a STUDY group, to see how far humans can be pushed before losing our minds. They MUST have a plan. Let me tell them right now: You’re plan is WORKING! ENOUGH ALREADY!

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    • SJvet
      Posted on January 12, 2012 at 1:14pm

      Yep, but the ironic thing is that carbon dioxide is not a greenhouse gas. It‘s something that’s essential to life, and its presence in the atmosphere is negligible. Increased temperatures result in more CO2, not the other way around. Gore is not only not a scientist, but he’s another liberal idiot.

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    • the old man
      Posted on January 12, 2012 at 3:53pm

      I hear GM is going to add a fire extenguisher as standard equipment in the volt. Might have been a rumor…not sure.

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    • child of the King
      Posted on February 4, 2012 at 9:54am

      It goes with the old saying, if he goverment can mess something up they will, all in the nameof being grenn or reducing carbon emmissions.

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  • trappedinwv
    Posted on January 11, 2012 at 3:02pm

    Oh that crazy EPA. God Bless them

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    • Freefromyou
      Posted on January 11, 2012 at 3:16pm

      Well crazy is one word for it, it’s just another way to tax you into lower consumption. Create a non existant additive, fine fuel producers, producers pass costs onto the 53%. Thats government math folks

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    • Detroit paperboy
      Posted on January 11, 2012 at 10:11pm

      And its a forty five million dollar fine cuz they left out the required amount of PIXIE DUST……..and EVAPORATED UNICORN TURDS….and where do these fines go ???? To Obama of course….

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    • decendentof56
      Posted on January 12, 2012 at 8:37am

      @FREEFROMYOU… “Well crazy is one word for it, it’s just another way to tax you into lower consumption. Create a non existant additive, fine fuel producers, producers pass costs onto the 53%. Thats government math folks”

      Exactly! All part of the redistribution of your “wealth” to the oppressed!

      Just remember to vote for whoever is running against the Marxist-Democratic candidate this Nov!

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  • team1blazer
    Posted on January 11, 2012 at 3:02pm

    Just another example of out of control government. End the EPA now! Ron Paul is sounding better to me all the time.

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  • Depressed_American
    Posted on January 11, 2012 at 3:01pm

    EPA look at the Stupidity of what you are doing!!! Mr. President look at the Stupidity of your EPA Agency. Congress look at the Stupidity of what the EPA is doing. Will NO ONE in our government OPEN their GREED FILLED EYES and look at the stupidity of our government agenicies and the STUPID REGULATIONS/LAWS they are trying to enforce!!!

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    • Salamander
      Posted on January 11, 2012 at 3:21pm

      Yea! Ban the light bulb! Bio-Tax the refiners! Make everyone drive CAFE standard deathtraps! Free everything (food, healthcare, education, etc.) for illegal aliens! Everybody gets a free house-whip those banks into shape! We’re into the age of the rubber contract-stretch it any way you want! Gosh, what more can these Bozo’s do? (We shuttered the ONLY refinery in Virginia, just a year ago! We just shut down the Winchester light bulb plant!) Maybe we ought to conserve all our hot air and declare a work holiday for Congress to go with their recently passed tax reduction, which is really a contribution holiday for our Social Security contributions! Anybody wanna guess how long it will be before they declare a reduction in benefits and justify it by the ‘tax’ reduction they have ‘given’ us, which is really only taking money out of our back pockets to hand to our face, while telling us we ought to thank them (and reelect) them for being so generous!

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    • Fantastic Four
      Posted on January 11, 2012 at 3:43pm

      @DA: You do yourself a discredit like Mitt O’bamney. SCOTUS and his pals are far from stupid they are actually very freakin smart and should be given all the credit for their accomplishments. Nothing he does is by chance or stupidity…WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  • bankerpapaw
    Posted on January 11, 2012 at 3:01pm

    Get rid of these idiots at the EPA. This is an agency that is totally out of control. Let’s hope by this
    time next year this dictatorial agency no longer exists.

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    • Wolf
      Posted on January 11, 2012 at 4:30pm

      along with 99 more aphabet agencies.

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    • Copper Catfish
      Posted on January 11, 2012 at 6:22pm

      We also need to get rid of those intellectually challenged elected officials in Congress who continue to fund the EPA!

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    • Bluebonnet
      Posted on January 12, 2012 at 10:07am

      The EPA is a group of people who enjoy their power. They would do anything to keep their power.
      FIRE ‘EM ALL.

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  • BlackBeaver
    Posted on January 11, 2012 at 3:01pm

    No doubt this makes perfect sense to the bureaucracy!

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  • PlzGodMakeHimStop
    Posted on January 11, 2012 at 3:01pm

    I’d like to put these DOE/EPA people in cages and poke them with sticks.

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    • VermontPatriot
      Posted on January 11, 2012 at 5:20pm

      Sharp sticks. I would enjoy watching the commies bleed out!

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    • AmericanStrega
      Posted on January 12, 2012 at 11:00am

      Yes! Sharp sticks with rusty nails, infected with tetinus, protruding outward.

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  • OniKaze
    Posted on January 11, 2012 at 3:01pm

    The E.P.A. at its finest…

    Prime example of WHY this agency should be shut down, and all of its higher-ups jailed for all of the money in fines they have stolen from legitimate business. A corrupt agency run by a bunch of power-hungry fools. They know their agency is pretty much worthless, but until someone puts a stop to them, this will just continue..

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  • TXPilot
    Posted on January 11, 2012 at 3:00pm

    This is kinda like the government version of “build it and they will come”…….only in this case, its “mandate it, and hope it changes the laws of reality”…….

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    • progressiveslayer
      Posted on January 11, 2012 at 3:04pm

      These regulations are designed to add to business cost and keep energy costs higher than they should be.

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  • Lucifers Hammer
    Posted on January 11, 2012 at 2:59pm

    It makes perfect sense…coming from a government that spends billions combating a non-existent “global warming” and a government that complains about our reliance on foreign sources of oil, yet does everything in its power to close down domestic oil production.

    It makes almost as much sense as facing an increasingly violent world with threats of imminent war by drastically cutting the size and scope of one’s military.

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    • AxelPhantom
      Posted on January 11, 2012 at 3:36pm

      I have a “Flex-fuel” vehicle and that ethonol stuff when you run the engine in hot conditions turns to goo in your engine and creates a real mess, clogging lines etc.

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    • 338lapua
      Posted on January 11, 2012 at 7:12pm

      Axelphantom…..I hear you. My small engines(all my business machines)have half the working life using the 10% blend. Towing a trailer every day, I get 25% less miles per gallon(on a good day).
      Anything rubber dissolves, anything not stainless steel dissolves. Experimenting is good. But when something does not live up to its mission statement………it needs to go. This stuff sucks up unbelievable amounts of fresh water, belches MILLIONS of tons of that evil CO2 into the air, and WRECKS everything it touches. OOOOH we should subsidize it!

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  • bankerpapaw
    Posted on January 11, 2012 at 2:59pm

    These idiots at the EPA are totally out of control. This dictatorial agency need to be abolished.

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  • ModerationIsBest
    Posted on January 11, 2012 at 2:59pm

    The EPA is insane.

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  • trappedinwv
    Posted on January 11, 2012 at 2:59pm

    classic EPA

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  • progressiveslayer
    Posted on January 11, 2012 at 2:59pm

    Ah yes the all knowing all caring EPA strikes again,another reason to de-fund the unconstitutional EPA.
    The libs will tell you the EPA ensures pure air and water and that’s BS,they’re not here to protect the environment,they’re here to demonstrate their power and control over businesses with idiotic regulations like the one in this article.
    Just like Milton Friedman said ‘if the federal government were in charge of the Sahara desert,it would be free of sand in five years’.

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  • 13th Imam
    Posted on January 11, 2012 at 2:58pm

    Beware the EPA. They can now fine every citizen everything you have, if you do not use this fuel. Beware of Progressive DEMOCRATS when they get into unelected positions of power.

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  • PPMStudios
    Posted on January 11, 2012 at 2:58pm

    The EPA needs to be regulated by Ron Paul…..

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    • bikerr
      Posted on January 11, 2012 at 3:25pm

      @PPMStudios—-Do you think the next President will appoint him(Ron) to Head that department?

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    • PPMStudios
      Posted on January 11, 2012 at 3:37pm

      @BIKERR

      Just thinking RP would seriously limit the reach of the EPA. I believe Perry would as well. Haven’t heard anyone else state that they wanted to “yank the teeth” out of the EPA….

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    • progressiveslayer
      Posted on January 11, 2012 at 7:29pm

      How did we manage to survive before the unconstitutional EPA was inflicted on us? The EPA shouldn’t be regulated,it should be de-funded and allowed to die.

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  • T-2
    Posted on January 11, 2012 at 2:57pm

    the refinery should mix the fuel with all the crap coming out of this administration.

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    • Depressed_American
      Posted on January 11, 2012 at 3:03pm

      It’s going to High-Octane Crap!!!

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    • chasbronson
      Posted on January 11, 2012 at 9:09pm

      Good one, they are collecting methane off farm manure pits to run generators. Dc could power the whole country.The methane is murder on the engines though.

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  • J_Ruben_Kincaid
    Posted on January 11, 2012 at 2:56pm

    Tyranny anyone?

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    • C. Schwehr
      Posted on January 11, 2012 at 4:02pm

      No thank you. I already have enough of it right here to contend with…..You’re more than welcome to any more of it that comes along though!

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  • old white guy
    Posted on January 11, 2012 at 2:55pm

    why does someone not gas these epa aholes when they come on site. they do not, repeat do not have the power they are assuming. take them out and carry on.

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  • the_ancient
    Posted on January 11, 2012 at 2:54pm

    This is why you should Vote for Ron Paul, He will end the EPA

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    • progressiveslayer
      Posted on January 11, 2012 at 3:00pm

      Bingo!

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    • Stoic one
      Posted on January 11, 2012 at 3:09pm

      If he makes it to the Ohio primaries, Ron Paul will have my vote. Of those remaining his views most closely parallel mine. And yes, I have gone to the links and listened to the entire interviews…..

      This man is no lunatic, nor crazy, nor any other adjective that can be conjured up.

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    • the_ancient
      Posted on January 11, 2012 at 3:41pm

      @Stoic one

      He will still be in it.. And you should Vote for him..

      Remember it is the delegate count that matters, I am actually now hoping the Glenn Beck’s Support for Rick Theocracy Santorum will actually backfire and Rick will remove some Delegates from Ronmey and allow Ron Paul a Good Chance at Victory. Probably a Long Shot but it is far far far from over.

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    • Chuck Stein
      Posted on January 11, 2012 at 4:18pm

      So would Rick Perry — if he can remember what it’s called.

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    • the_ancient
      Posted on January 11, 2012 at 4:41pm

      @Chuck Stein

      There are 3 types of people in the work, People that Make things happen, people to follow those people around, and people that stand around and wonder what just happened

      Rick Perry stands around and wonders what just happened, he just happens to be standing in the right place, holding the correct office that allows him to take credit for things that were done by others and well outside of his control

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    • RepubliCorp
      Posted on January 11, 2012 at 6:15pm

      and how will do that? Big Talk? Paul is chairman of the House Subcommittee on Domestic Monetary Policy. What has he done? Your guy is a big zero

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    • AmericanStrega
      Posted on January 12, 2012 at 11:05am

      How will Ron Paul end the EPA, etc.? Write an executive order and bypass congress?

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  • Psychosis
    Posted on January 11, 2012 at 2:54pm

    and we want these fools in charge of health care ????????

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    • Salamander
      Posted on January 11, 2012 at 3:10pm

      Yes! Affordable FUNNY FARM for ALL!

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    • Lord_Frostwind
      Posted on January 11, 2012 at 11:17pm

      Healthcare Bureaucrat, “We need to reduce costs at the hospital, so Doctors will now reuse needles instead of throwing them out after one use. Our expert panel has decided this cannot possibly have any negative impact.”

      Based off what the EPA just did, the above would not surprise me at all.

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  • Robert-CA
    Posted on January 11, 2012 at 2:54pm

    EPA should go away .
    Get out of our lives !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  • Robert-CA
    Posted on January 11, 2012 at 2:54pm

    EPA should go away .
    Get out of our lives !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    • Cornflake
      Posted on January 11, 2012 at 11:59pm

      Ron Paul keeps asking for an audit of the Federal Reserve, which I think would be correct. It‘s insane to have an extention of private bankers giving bailouts without our government’s knowledge or approval. Since we would like to audit the Federal Reserve, then we should also have someone look at the books of the fines the EPA has taken in, and how that money is spent and accounted for. There’s only one problem with Ron Paul saying we should go back on the gold standard. I don’t think we have any gold in Ft. Knox, and secondly they would confiscate (steal) people’s personal gold again. EPA is bad, bad, bad. The Congress created this monster, why don’t they destroy it?

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  • SR1911man
    Posted on January 11, 2012 at 2:54pm

    Another reason the EPA needs to be dissolved…

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    • 83plus
      Posted on January 12, 2012 at 10:26pm

      Well they want to regulate dust so I guess we shouldn’t be surprised. Someone must not be getting enough money through tax payer dollars or simply wants a boost.

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  • briankraner
    Posted on January 11, 2012 at 2:54pm

    Sounds like another Solyndra to me…..

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