Ex-Evangelical Frank Schaeffer: ‘Fundamentalist’ Christians Enabled the ‘Rape’ of the 99%
- Posted on October 19, 2011 at 1:41pm by
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Frank Schaeffer, an ex-evangelical commentator and author who leads the crusade against America's religious right (AP Photo/Dina Rudic)
Ex-evangelical commentator and author Frank Schaeffer has made it no secret that he has strong disdain for the Christian right. In the past, he’s said that GOP presidential contender Michele Bachmann “hates” the United States as the nation currently stands and that people like her want a theocracy here in America.
Below, watch him speak about theocracy on MSNBC’s “Rachel Maddow Show” (starts around 7:00):
In his latest slam against the evangelical right, Schaeffer took to his blog to invoke class warfare by claiming that “fundamentalist religion” has enabled the top one percent to “rape” the remaining 99 percent. And that’s not all. If the Wall Street protests are going to have any meaning, he writes, then they also must focus blame upon conservative Christian institutions.
Schaeffer, who apparently believes that ‘Evangelicals and Roman Catholics alike’ have been complicit in creating the economic conditions that have led to the protests, writes:
…without the fundamentalists and their “values” issues the lower 99 percent could not have been convinced to vote against their (our) economic self-interest, in other words, vote for Republicans serving only billionaires instead of the rest of us.
In somewhat of a bizarre accusation, he then claims that these faith groups have “delegitimized” the government’s ability to “tax, spend and regulate.” However, taxing, spending and regulation, by many accounts, have been alive and well for decades. He continues:
The fundamentalist have replaced economic and political justice with a bogus (and hate-driven) “morality” litmus tests of spurious red herring “issues” from abortion to school prayer and gay rights. The result has been that the masses of lower middle class and poor Americans who should be voting for Democrats and thus their own economic interests, have been persuaded to vote against their own class and self interest.
Then, Schaeffer goes on to describe the process through which this manipulation apparently occurred. In his view, Christianity was misused and the government was made to look like the problem and not the solution — the latter of which Schaeffer clearly laments. In a fit of irony, he goes on to write:
What few people seem prepared to do is look at or admit the larger problem: no political protest will change anything in America until the masses protest the religious fundamentalist’s stranglehold on this country via having hijacked the Republican Party too. Deference to religion masquerading as politics must end, now.
Schaeffer appears adamant about flushing conservative faith-in-politics down the toilet, but he seems remiss to address the fact that the left is utilizing faith as a tool for growth on a daily basis. From the $150,000 that Sojourners recently accepted from George Soros to Alinsky-styled community organizing, this has become increasingly apparent.
At no time does this misuse of faith by liberals — even atheists — come up in this article. But he does write, “Religion masquerading as politics is not true religion or politics– it is a theocracy-in-waiting. This charade of power grabs in God’s name needs to be exposed then destroyed.”
One can’t help but wonder if the Rev. Jim Wallis, Faithful America, Faith in Public Life, the National Council of Churches and others seeking leftist policies are on his list of targets.
Schaeffer concludes by claiming that the protesters need to focus upon the root source of America’s problems. This, of course, includes taking a stand outside of “mega churches, Evangelical publishing houses, religious organizations” and other related localities.
Apparently, faith and religion are responsible for America’s fiscal woes. Who knew?
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Comments (218)
Thecoolhandluke
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 2:09pmTurns out the apple doesn’t always fall close to the tree. The guy had a brilliant man for a father…shame he turned out this way.
Report Post »ACLUHater
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 2:18pmWhen I am elected President, these types will be on my watched list.
Report Post »SpankDaMonkey
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 2:32pm.
Report Post »If the 1% Raped me I did not feel a thing. So I guess you girls were right, size is everything……
techengineer11
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 2:46pmYeh they are trying to make it sound like this is the Frank Schaeffer.. This guy is a nobody. Probably a closet homosexual at best. Such a disgrace to his dad who truly was a great man and a great American.
Report Post »stockpicker
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 3:06pmJohn 1:13 explains how this happens.
Report Post »truth-seeker2020
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 3:18pmCould he be gay? His tone was more about gay freedom/rights than Family values. God be with us all.
Report Post »edcoil
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 3:39pmhe writes, “then they also must focus blame upon conservative Christian institutions.”
Right dilute their message even more.
Report Post »HippoNips
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 3:52pmAfter the success of Rev Martin Luther KIng Jr , the left infiltrarted Christianity as a politcal tool
They rewrote the Bible ..a paraphrased version called The New International Version in 1972, where they alter the very meaning of much of the scripture to fit their leftist movement du jour
Report Post »They put in the word “homosexual” for instance, (it was a strategy against the then unpopular homosexual movement) and chnged verses to give a basis for “social justice”
Schaefer is a product of this. Nowadays, his ilke rally against “fundementalism” . but the actual quotes they use are their own altered version.
Fundies use the real Bible, one that doesn’t have a condemnation of homosexuals at people like in NIV but a warning about the dangers of the actual sexual act.
He is not a Christian, nor is anyone who uses an altered version of the Holy Bible.
…Jim Wallis., Westboro Baptist Lawyers, etc., known of which mention Christ at all or much.
Thomas
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 4:34pmWhere’s his proof of an attempt to set up a theocracy? For what reason does someone who doesn’t believe in God feel it is necessary to label them self an atheist since there are no laws against not believing? What is their agenda beyond freedom to believe or not? They are not just for freedom but are anti-religion. Religion is not anti-atheist but the more these people advance their agenda the more it seems maybe religion should become so.
Report Post »scarebear83
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 4:44pmSome of the stuff he says reminds me of what 1st century Christians went through. Nero blamed the Christians for burning down the place and thus persecuted them. Then as we get closer to AD 70 because of that they were able to discern the things that were going to take place in Jerusalem and were able to flee to Pella before it’s destruction (Matt. 24:16, Luke 20:20-21). Unfortunately I don’t think we have anywhere to flee today.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 4:56pmAnd apparently the smelly OWSers at their Fecesstock in Cleveland enabled the rape of a 19 year old girl.
Report Post »Drives Like Jehu
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 5:14pmNo such thing as an EX-evangelical. Once saved, always saved. A TRUE evangelical is saved…therefore, mr lost schaeffer was never saved in the past. He is a handmaiden to satan.
Report Post »Wayner
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 5:28pmBlaze please don’t put me through having to watch 13 minutes of this lezzie and her queer experts again….. Christian shariah???? oh come on now!!
Report Post »mydh12
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 5:40pmLike Ron Reagan Jr., if not for the fame of his father, nobody would listen to this egotistical blowhard.
Report Post »RJO
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 8:05pmLet’s make this simple and cut to the chase. The title “Reverend” is doled out these days like online degrees from the University of BanderBlather.
Chalk it up to a….brain fart. A common ailment of Liberals/Progressives/Marxists/Communists (people that Barack Obama empathizes with – wonder why?).
Nuff Said.
Report Post »jzs
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 9:06pmI can see the good Christians here cling to what Christ did not say in the Bible, rather than what he did say. And you’ve decided that what Christ did not say, but might have said, conforms with your political opinion that a country should support the richest and deny help to the poorest. You seem to believe that Christ only believed in an individual helping the poor. Maybe you think that extends to a church, but certainly not to a larger group of people, such as a city, state, or country, although nowhere is that is that found in the Bible. But, your believe, he would have said that if he’d lived today.
You say this is a Christian country, and that the Constitution is based on Christian values and that the Founders were Christian and that we want Christians in government. Only, when it actually comes to the teachings of Christ – the things he said, not the things he didn’t say – you don’t want the government to do any of those things. Somebody explain to me exactly what it is a “Christian country” does if not help the poor? And please don’t say “let the rich run the country, and rig the rules so that they benefit and everyone else suffers.”
“Speak up for those who cannot speak for themselves, for the rights of all who are destitute. Speak up and judge fairly; defend the rights of the poor and needy.” -Proverbs 31:8-9
Report Post »lillymckim
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 9:25pmThis is just one more reason why I love “The Blaze” they watch Maddow/MSNBC and expose the likes of this useless idiot … so we don’t have to!
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 9:53pmWonder what kind of drugs this guy is on? What a shame.
Report Post »whywonder
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 10:34pmWhy are the fundamentalist concerned about govt? Guess we need to add the churches to the tax rolls. If you gonna play with politics you need to lose the tax break. Its gonna cost you!!!
Report Post »ILUVJESUS
Posted on October 20, 2011 at 1:59amGay? Rebelling against his father’s faith? Frank, follow Jesus.
Report Post »notatoomah
Posted on October 20, 2011 at 8:41am@JZS
Poor = people who cannot work to support themselves
Lazy freeloaders = people who don’t want to work and expect us to take care of their needs
You want to throw your liberal slanted, mis-interpreted Bible verses at me? OK, big boy, let’s do this.
Genesis 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground
Galatians 6:4-5 But let every man prove his own work, and then shall he have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another. For every man shall bear his own burden.
From 2 Thessalonians
6Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us. 7For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you; 8Neither did we eat any man’s bread for nought; but wrought with labour and travail night and day, that we might not be chargeable to any of you: 9Not because we have not power, but to make ourselves an ensample unto you to follow us. 10For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat. 11For we hear that there are some which walk among you disorderly, working not at all, but are busybodies. 12Now them that are such we command and exhort by our Lord Jesus Christ, that with quietness they work, and eat their own bread. 13But ye, brethren, be not weary in well doing.
Report Post »Ruler4You
Posted on October 20, 2011 at 11:28amSpare me with the opinion based theological finger pointing. There is more blame being assigned by idiots these days than you can keep track of. Frankly, in most cases it’s well deserved. But only because we aren’t trying to correct it. We are becoming less civilized. We are regressing. You can see it.
Report Post »scherzophrenic
Posted on October 20, 2011 at 12:01pmFrank Schaeffer wrote some very good books a number of years ago. Among them are A Time For Anger, and Fake Pearls for Real Swine. I don’t know if he still believes those things, but he’s always had a problem with American evangelical Christianity. His father has also had problems with those who have embraced his writings. I used to also be an Evangelical, but left that wing a number of years ago. I sort of drift without any particular denominational affiliations.
Report Post »whywonder
Posted on October 20, 2011 at 12:43pmScaredbear
Report Post »Your reply to jz was nothing more than a MASSIVE rationalization. Hope you feel better about yourself.
CoffeeMan777
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 2:09pmSign of the times. Guys like this are going to continue to crop up, stirring up the unbelieving populus until real, Biblical Christianity becomes outlawed.
Report Post »ChiefGeorge
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 3:02pmIts closer than we think.
Report Post »GordonPShumway
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 8:14pmBiblical Christianity has already been outlawed… by Protestant Christianity, which, like Catholicism, finds nothing wrong with killing us “infidels”. Just as John Calvin used the Roman Catholic Inquisition to have scholar Michael Servetus slowly burned at the stake for teaching FROM THE BIBLE against the “trinity” and the deity of “Jesus Christ”, all who dare to repeat his words will soon share his fate, and the actual words and teachings of Yeshua of Nazareth and of ALL of his talmidim (disciples) will be ignored. More at Torah Kingdom Living.
Report Post »heavyduty
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 2:09pmHe like other liberals want the AMERICAN PEOPLE so lazy that they don’t care about anything. Then they can say whatever comes into their little pea-brains. The sheeples that follow them don’t care because they are too brain dead to figure it out. Just like this guy and all the rest of them all they want is their 10 minutes of fame. Then they fade back into nothing.
Report Post »Vechorik
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 2:16pmThe pot calling the kettle black?
We’re all deceived in one way or another — it’s the job of media to keep us all in line.
“Occupy Wall Street”people warned not to let their efforts get hijacked (like the GOP hijacked the Tea Party)
Report Post »Napolitano suggests common goals.
End the Fed
End the wars
End the income tax
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nF30eMuWFHI
steveh931
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 2:08pmI think Mr. Bashir and Rachel Maddow should get together and have babies, oh what a world.
Report Post »I.Gaspar
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 2:50pmWhich one would be the father?
Report Post »Tired-of-fools
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 3:04pmI don‘t think Rachael Madcow’s wife would permit that.
Report Post »whywonder
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 11:30pmSuch kindness from the blazers
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 2:07pmLeftists and Atheists… enable 99% of the Idiots!
Report Post »rfycom
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 2:05pmThe man has a good point. You won’t be seeking and right wingers in heaven people.
Report Post »Eliasim
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 2:14pmWhen people go to “In Heaven” they are like the Angels and they will not have the emotions they have on earth, but that it is they are light as a feather and know only constant love. And as it says in Revelation, my Father will make you a pillar in Heaven, and [ you won't have to go out no more.] Of course unless you choose to go out.
Report Post »motonutt
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 3:47pm@ELIASIM…..You must live in a special happy place….I think you’re great. You just keep it up, I love reading your posts.
Report Post »COFemale
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 2:05pmFirst of all we are a theocracy and second of all we are a REPUBLIC. Sheesh, you’d think these Liberals would have learned this in school, Oh yeah, that’s right they went to public school where you only learn what communist want you to learn. This explains everything.
Nothing to see here, move along. Only a Liberal try to sound intelligent.
Report Post »BetterDays
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 2:05pmScheaffer is a “ liberation theology ” teacher and therefor wholly anti-christ.
Report Post »Red Ruffansore
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 2:03pmFrank, you’re just angry because you are no longer part of any religion that will have you and that has cut of your supply of underage boys.
Report Post »Meyvn
Posted on October 20, 2011 at 6:49amFrank, meet Fwank.
Report Post »Eliasim
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 2:00pmI don’t want to be a downer but if people realized just how bad things in the world really are, then they would be coming to grips with the prospect of their own death.
Report Post »Eliasim
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 2:01pmBut if it means anything good at all to people, all people have died before.
Report Post »Eliasim
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 2:05pmAnd that is why great tribulation will come to those whom have children.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 2:13pmIf you had a decent pillbox you might not go off your meds as often as you seem to do.
Report Post »Eliasim
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 2:21pmLet me ask you “Isles”: why is it that all people seem to have a fear of falling? Why is it when at times when people are sleeping they have the sensation of falling? And yet those people supposedly have not fallen before?
Report Post »Eliasim
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 2:24pmIsles: You can stand to learn much from people whom have one foot in the East and one foot in the West.
Report Post »Meyvn
Posted on October 20, 2011 at 6:51am@Eliasim: I think you need to put both feet on the ground and put away the drugs.
Report Post »PATRIOTGRUNT
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 1:59pmWhy even comment Ex says it all, stoped right there.Move On nothing worth reading here.
Report Post »NHwinter
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 2:08pmAll those screaming for separation of church and state (which isn’t even in the Constitution) should tell these dopes to shut up. That goes for all the Revs. JJ, Sharpton, Wallis. Or does that just apply to Conservatives?
Report Post »motonutt
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 2:11pmI don’t think he is an “ex”. I think he never really was.
Report Post »Postolic
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 1:58pmI noticed that Mr. Schaefer left out Nancy Pelosi, Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Barak Obama, and the Democrat party, while pointing fingers and laying blame. That’s because he is not about truth, but about a socialist/leftist agenda. Calling him an “ex-evangelical” is like calling Emperor Constitine a Christian. It never happened.
Report Post »KickinBack
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 1:57pm99% of humanity have lived under repressive governments dating back to the dawn of civilizations. That other 1%..is called the USA.
Report Post »KickinBack
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 2:02pmAnd so when they chant “We are the 99%!” I think of only these poor souls who wish to go back to living in serfdom, dominated by a ruling class.
Report Post »smallstuff7
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 1:57pmFranky is clearly full of bitterness and resentment, which affects his mind. Watching him self destruct is very sad.
Report Post »TMink
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 2:01pmI agree. Poor man, he needs Jesus. We must pray for him.
Trey
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 2:06pmThat’s what happens when you abandon your faith in Christ for faith in liberalism. Many have and they are ALL bitter.
Report Post »Mary M. Tebbe
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 3:16pmFrank…you have misplaced your armor. Let me help you find it…Ephesians 6: 10 – 18. Finally be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. Put on the FULL ARMOR OF GOD so that you can take a stand against the devil’s schemes (which have lead you completely off the rails). For our struggle is not against flesh and blood (human beings), but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil (satan’s kingdom) in the heavenly realms. Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. Stand firm then, with the BELT OF TRUTH buckled around your waist, with the BREASTPLATE OF RIGHTEOUSNESS in place, and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the GOSPEL OF PEACE. In addition to all this, take up the SHIELD OF FAITH, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. Take the HELMET OF SALVATION and the SWORD OF THE SPIRIT, which is THE WORD OF GOD. And PRAY IN THE SPIRIT on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests. With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the saints.
Report Post »What will it profit you if you gain fame and fortune and the recognition of the world, when it would cost you your soul? Hell is eternal…you won’t have a second chance to reconsider. The left mocks the fallen Christian that once knew God.
mbriz
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 1:56pmAt least this country are dismissing Evangelicals like Perry, and Bachman who don’t believe in science, and think you can pray away the gay.
Report Post »Obama_Sham
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 2:09pm“and think you can pray away the gay.”
Have you tried?!?
Report Post »COFemale
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 2:11pmIn your dreams, in your dreams. You keep telling yourself this. Atheist may make up only 5-12% of the population; it depends on which sources you believe.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 2:14pmI can assure you they have not been dismissed because they are evangelical. That’s actually the best thing about them.
Report Post »Highland
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 2:43pmWe believe in science, and in its Creator.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 1:55pm“In a well organised society, orientated to the common good, class conflicts are solved peacefully through reforms. But states that base their order on individualistic liberalism are not such societies. So when an exploited class fails to receive in a peaceful way the share of the common good to which it has a right, it has to follow a different path.”
“Class struggle should gain strength in proportion to the resistance it faces from eco-nomically privileged classes,”
“Guided by a just evaluation of historical events, the Church should view the cause of revolution with an awareness of the ethical evil in factors of the economic and social regime, and in the political system, which generates the need for a radical reaction. It can be accepted that the majority of people who took part in revolutions – even bloody ones – were acting on the basis of internal convictions, and thus in accordance with conscience.”
http://www.cjd.org/paper/luxmoore.html
Looks like Blessed Pope John Paul II would have agreed with Frank Schaeffer.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 2:07pmIt only “looks” that way when viewed through coke bottle glasses.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 2:11pmWould you argue that the Mayflower pilgrims should have stayed communist?
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 2:17pmThe John Paul II growing up in a communist system would write one thing early on & then write another as his horizons broadened.
Communism was horrible. The pictures of communist industry from the 1980s in Czechoslovakia were horrible & that was typical. Why would you want to live as a communist. My relatives have & it is no picnic. So when you write about the virtues of communism, we can’t help but look at you as one who is touched in the head (an idiot).
Report Post »encinom
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 2:19pm“It is necessary to state once more the characteristic principle of Christian social doctrine: the goods of this world are originally meant for all. The right to private property is valid and necessary, but it does not nullify the value of this principle. Private property, in fact, is under a “social mortgage,” which means that it has an intrinsically social function, based upon and justified precisely by the principle of the universal destination of goods .”
No, I think it is clear the Blessed Pope John Paul II would be in support of the OWS and Schaeffer.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 3:07pmencinom
Your post of 2:19 Pm was the most interesting thing that you have ever said on this site. I wonder how much you have read & digested or if you were just pointed to that by the site you had previously linked.
Again the pilgrims practiced communism. They quit the practice because there was too much slacking.
Report Post »Maybe you should take some economics & psychology courses as well.
Psychosis
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 3:34pmif we actually believed you put the effort in for this argument yourself, we could commend you on your effort
sad thing is this is merely a cut in paste of someone elses effort to legitimize their point of view
Report Post »encinom
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 3:39pm@Walkabout,
The second post quotes the Pope later in his life, after the fall of Communism, while the earlier quotes were from his days as a Polish priest. The Pope was not a supporter of Communist and fought them through out the 1980s. But, at the same time the Pope also stood with the union workers in his native Poland and elsewhere. The Pope preached against the unchecked greed of capitalism. Unlike today’s American evangelicals, the Pope understood that the wealthy have a social contract, they have an obligation to world, their wealth is subject to the needs of the greater good. Capitalism is not a virture mentioned in the bible, nor is greed, too many Evangelicals seem be quoting Gordon Gekko from Wall Street instead of the bible.
Report Post »Lucy Larue
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 4:46pmENCINOM,
“NEVER utter these words :I do not know this, therefore it is false. One must study to know, know to understand, understand to see”. Apothegm of Narada
You don’t see much ENCINOM.
Maddow prattles on and on ad infinitum. She spews propaganda that is destroying our nation. Schaeffer is plain evil. Neither one of them deserve a moment of attention. Yet…,they get it.
The only thing they have in common is.., BOTH use the freedoms of our country to destroy it.
You aid them ENCINOM. That is sad.
Report Post »Git-R-Done
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 4:55pmQuit trying to pretend that you‘re with us Christians when you’re clearly not.
Report Post »mtrublu
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 4:59pmWho, outside of the Catholic Church, really cares? Not that I have any particular angst against Catholicism, but papal authority is not something to which most of us subscribe. I’m sure the pope was a good man. That doesn’t mean I have to agree with him on anything.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 5:07pmencinom
“The Pope preached against the unchecked greed of capitalism. Unlike today’s American evangelicals,”
The church I belong to is evangelical. It has never preached about capitalism or that greed is good. If there were such a church or many of them it would be on Youtube. Some churches preached that prosperity is good, but they didn’t say stab someone else in the back to get it. So I don’t know where you are coming from. A leftist site maybe? Also all churches expect tithing. and most if not all churches engage in charity work to varying degrees. The local homeless shelter where I live is run by a church. So the church is providing a safety net.
“their wealth is subject to the needs of the greater good. Capitalism is not a virture mentioned in the bible, ”
I have seen too many people not take take advantage of trade schools & community colleges to feel sorry for them. It is not that hard to get a good job if you take the right courses. I don;t feel sorry for them. I know for a fact that you could get a middle class job with the opportunity to make more with a mere 2 semesters of college work at a community college. So I am not buying that it is oh so hard.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 5:34pm@Walkabout
“I know for a fact that you could get a middle class job with the opportunity to make more with a mere 2 semesters of college work at a community college. So I am not buying that it is oh so hard”
Your facts are wrong or you consider Walmart stockboys middle class. 1 year of community college, at least in the Northeast, is no better than a High School education and would qualify you for nothing more than blue collar jobs, which thanks to union busting no longer have middle class wages.
” The church I belong to is evangelical. It has never preached about capitalism or that greed is good. If there were such a church or many of them it would be on Youtube. Some churches preached that prosperity is good, but they didn’t say stab someone else in the back to get it. So I don’t know where you are coming from. A leftist site maybe? ”
Report Post »Actually, this is coming from the Blaze itself and the many Southern Baptist and Evangelicals that choose to use the bible in defense of tax cuts for the 1%.
Vechorik
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 1:52pmForgot to say — I thought it was quite ironic in the debate last night for Newt to be lecturing the others on religion!
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 2:21pmWhy, because he has sinned? Every man and woman on that stage has.
Report Post »Vechorik
Posted on October 20, 2011 at 7:58amYes, we all sin — therefore shouldn’t be “casting stones.”
Report Post »Vechorik
Posted on October 20, 2011 at 8:00am….also wasted time in trying to prove the unprovable ie “Who is the best Christian contest”
Report Post »Kaoscontrol
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 1:51pmFrankie is a very unhappy, bitter person. A P.K. who has lost his way. Sad.
Report Post »LiberalMarine
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 1:51pmNot saying I agree 100%, but look at how the tides turned for some of the candidates after the debate where they weren’t allowed to mention how much they hate gay illegal immigrant abortion doctors? Santorum couldn’t wait to interject with his crap about “normal”families.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 2:08pmMichele Bachmann came to prominence by opposing the Wall street bailout not on social issues (not that she is wrong on social issues.
If more banks had been allowed to fail, then Wall Street execs wouldn’t be so quick to over leverage.
The recent firing of the UBS exec shows that they have not learned anything. He was fired because he wanted to continue business in the same stupid way.
Michele Bachmann has strong stands on social issue, foreign policy & domestic issues.
Santorum’s has other issue but he has not taken as strong of stand on them pushed them& he had become fixed on social issues by his Alinskyite attackers.
BTW the term Santorum is an albatross around the neck of the gay community too. You’ll sink his career but you are going down with him. Cheers!
Report Post »Vechorik
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 1:51pmI agree with him on this:
But he does write, “Religion masquerading as politics is not true religion or politics– it is a theocracy-in-waiting. This charade of power grabs in God’s name needs to be exposed then destroyed.”
…..but the truth is BOTH SIDES PLAY THIS GAME!
Republicans play the “who is the best Christian game” for control of the war/banking machine.
Democrats play the race card, gay card, welfare, and every other car to control the same machine.
End result is AMERICA IS BROKE and no one is willing to make the drastic changes needed.
Of course, I think Ron Paul would — without class warfare too.
Report Post »Dustoff
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 1:48pmAnother loon..
Report Post »The_Almighty_Creestof
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 1:55pmAt least Rachel seemed more relaxed than usual…must have gotten that care package I sent her of “D” cell batteries : )
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 1:48pmThis is one more front of the war against Christianity and Conservatives they are waging; by making the churches appear as evil — save for those teaching and preaching the leftist line of social justice — the move is made to try and take the moral high ground (yet since the leftists are in a swamp, no high ground exists for their radical causes).
One more layer of their web of deceipt, deception and lies being deployed. Soon enough, the real fists will fly and the 2010 elections will be tame compared to what I estimate will come out for 2012.
Report Post »BrerRabbit
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 1:48pmLucifer!
Report Post »wakeup1
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 1:45pmFrank who?
Report Post »Kansas Mom
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 1:48pmHis parents were relavant……he is completely not!! What a fool.
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 1:50pmAmazing this guy slams the conservative christians for wanting a “theocracy” when the Islam Radicals and even the leftists of the Obama admin want a type of Theocracy — a Caliphate and a Progressive Socialist State run Theology respectively.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 1:55pmI thought he was talking about the 19 year old woman who was RAPED at the 99% event … an actual RAPE committed by one of these “activists” that Obama supports. As for this 99% garbage .. I am not part of the 1% but don’t lump me into there 99% .. makes them think they are a majority … I am part of the 53% … Those who actually PAY TAXES!
TEA!
Report Post »IAMMADDOG
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 1:44pmI’ve been raped? I did not know that. Where are they getting 99%. Last time I checked I am NOT wealthy by any means. But I sure as hell do not identify with the idiots occupying Wall street. So kindly stop including me please.
Report Post »Rajabear1
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 1:56pmDitto that. Thought the same exact thing as I read this.
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 2:15pmyou know I wouldn’t mind to be raped by some beautiful hot babe…no such luck though….
Report Post »Rillobymorning
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 3:07pmI’m right there with ya. Might be middle class, but by God, I‘ve earned every penny and haven’t looked for hand outs from the government or the wealthy. I’m grateful for those with the intellect, creativity and ability to build a business, create wonderful new technology, from which we all benefit, and provide jobs for those of us who need and want them.
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