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Ex-Evangelical Lib: Catholic Church Speaking on Sexual Morality ‘Is Like Being Lectured by the KKK on Race Relations’

Frank Schaeffer (son of theologian and author Francis Schaeffer) is, perhaps, the nation’s most critical ex-evangelical commentators, as he seeks to insult, debunk and take aim at conservative Christianity on a near-daily basis. Over the past year, The Blaze has documented some of his intense rhetoric. In a blog post published Tuesday, Schaeffer lambasted the Catholic Church and “evangelical Taliban” who he sees as villains in the current debate about religious freedom here in America.

Frank Schaeffer Makes Catholic Church & KKK Analogy

Predictably, the piece dismisses Catholic angst over the Obama administration’s contraceptive mandate and goes on to predominately target Robert George, a Professor of Jurisprudence at Princeton University. Schaeffer writes:

The bishops have been led to attack the President by Republican operative/Professor/anti-abortion activist Robert George of Princeton University. He has achieved this through his close association with Charles Colson, evangelical far right leader and Watergate felon.

They laid their deliberate trap for the President by writing something called the Manhattan Declaration, an anti-Obama document (that never mentions the president by name) signed by hundreds of evangelical leaders and the Roman Catholic bishops.

Non-Evangelicals with political agendas like Robert George have cashed in on the Evangelicals’ willingness to lend their numbers and influence to one moral crusade after another, or rather I should say, to one political crusade after another masquerading as moral crusades.

Throughout the piece, the ex-evangelical critic referred to those accepting George’s Manhattan Declaration as “extremists.” Schaeffer’s attack on George, a Roman Catholic, devolved into a critique of the Catholic Church that is sure to infuriate many Christians.

While arguing in his blog post that it is inappropriate for individuals to cast judgements on others’ sex lives, Schaeffer said that this sentiment was specifically true for “the international pedophile ring otherwise known as the Roman Catholic Church.” He continued:

When it comes to pointing the finger over sexual “sin,” the worldwide Christian community—from the halls of the Vatican and many a Greek, Russian, or Arab Orthodox bishop’s palace, to an Evangelical “home church” established in somebody’s basement two minutes ago—is in the morally compromised position of a violent habitual rapist criticizing a shoplifter for stealing a candy bar.

But he wasn’t done there. He also claimed that seeing Catholic bishops stand up and make proclamations about sexual morality “is like being lectured by the KKK on race relations.” To corroborate this point, he went on to highlight cases of abuse that, in his view, apparently define the Catholic Church as a whole.

Schaeffer was apparently very proud of these comments, as he also tweeted about the KKK and the Catholic Church following the publication of his blog post:

Frank Schaeffer Makes Catholic Church & KKK Analogy

He concluded the piece by dismissing the contraceptive mandate and alluding to the fact that it isn’t a religious liberty issue. Instead, he called it “the right to deny women choice and even contraceptives.” Then, he called GOP presidential candidate Rick Santorum a clone of George.

On Tuesday evening, Schaeffer was also invited to appear on the Rev. Al Sharpton’s “PoliticsNation” on MSNBC, where he spoke about the GOP and its purported misuse and abuse of the contraceptive mandate. Additionally, he commented about the purportedly calculated “attack” on Obama’s faith.

“This is a well-orchestrated campaign by the religious right that has infultrated the Republican Party,” he said.

During this interview he also targeted George and, once again, said that the Manhattan Declaration laid the groundwork for what he dubbed a “well-laid trap.”

“This whole religious freedom cry that‘s going up now didn’t just suddenly happen,” Schaeffer proclaimed. “They have been on a fishing expedition, trying to label this president first as a Muslim, then as a communist, then as a non-Christian, then as a secularist, and now all of the sudden he’s anti-religious, because he’s telling people that have insurance policies in this country that they have to give women contraceptives.”

Watch the appearance, below:

Despite overtly harsh commentary about Catholics and evangelicals, alike, MSNBC continues to invite the critic on-air to share his views. According to his Twitter feed, Schaeffer will appear on the “Martin Bashir” show today.

Read his entire column for yourself.

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  • Nevermind
    Posted on February 22, 2012 at 4:30pm

    Judeo_Christian
    This should be simple enough that even you will understand:

    An organization, such as a CATHOLIC HOSPITAL must keep within the moral teaching of the CATHOLIC CHURCH if it wishes to maintain the description of CATHOLIC in its name. To that end, the hospital cannot provide substances or treatments for birth control or abortifacients. Morally the hospital cannot provide funds in insurance premiums to provide these illicit services either. The hospital would be morally complicit if they did so.

    No one forces a anybody to work at a CATHOLIC Hospital or organization. They choose to work there by their own free will. By choosing to work at a CATHOLIC organization, they abide by the culture within that organization. If they oppose this morality, they can quit their job and go work elsewhere.

    It can’t be any easier than that!

    ********************

    Then if they dont want to be told what to do and want to follow their teachings they shouldnt accept federal $$. If you do then good chance they have a right to tell you what to do. I am sure the pope can sacrifice his $500 loafers and his benz and help out the hospitals so they can remain true to their beliefs right?

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    • Judeo_Christian
      Posted on February 22, 2012 at 4:57pm

      They don‘t take federal money for services they don’t provide. They do take money for services that we do provide. Why is this so hard for you to deal with?

      Face it. You are a bigot. Otherwise you would not have a problem with this.

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    • MONICNE
      Posted on February 22, 2012 at 6:36pm

      I think the Gentleman (one of few men) may have a point here. We do not allow ANY religious organization to dictate common law. (Otherwise we would have a sharia law exemption for honor killings by devout Muslims, or allow polygamy for those of the Mormon race.)

      It is refreshing to have a real male take the female point of view and defend our American values that we are individually religiously accountable, and not religiously accountable to any Church.

      TEA

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    • Luke21
      Posted on February 23, 2012 at 11:45pm

      @never-

      Whose $$$? Where does the Fed Gov’t get those $$$? Can Catholic Hospitals turn away a patient w/ gov’t healthcare (medicare/medicaid)?

      Wise up. This has nothing to do w/ BC. It is evil – pure & simple, but you are too blind to see it. At least the Pope spoke out when the “humanists” tortured Terri Schiavo to death.

      Malachi 2:17 You have wearied the LORD with your words; “Yet you say, “In what way have we wearied Him?” In that you say, “Everyone who does evil Is good in the sight of the LORD, And He delights in them,” Or, “Where is the God of justice?”

      Isaiah 5:20 Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; Who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

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  • EastofEdenFarms
    Posted on February 22, 2012 at 4:28pm

    Frankie has been begging for attention since the early 80s. Even before, really. He wanted to be a film maker and was a flop. He wrote a disastrous book, called, “Addicted To Mediocrity” (which was at best, mediocre) about Christians and the Arts. I heard him speak for a week one hour at a Christian College in Missouri where I was teaching, and was awestruck by his inability to communicate.

    His father was a beloved scholar and philosopher. Frankie wanted to follow in his footsteps but had neither the skills nor the fire. When his ‘talent’ was not accepted by the Christian community, he walked away. He is still seeking his fifteen minutes of fame, but remains irrelevant. He is an angry, bitter man. It’s sad really. He is worthy of pity, even as he spews his vitriol.

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    • pamela kay
      Posted on February 23, 2012 at 6:10am

      EASTOFEDENFARMS, I was wondering what had made him so angry that he would turn away from God. I guess that is a question he will have to answer for when his time comes.

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  • JimL
    Posted on February 22, 2012 at 4:11pm

    Secular theologian: if it feels right…(freedom to judge self, license; my might is right)

    Objective theologian: life, liberty, happiness (freedom to serve God and Love neighbor/enemy)

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  • Nevermind
    Posted on February 22, 2012 at 4:00pm

    Rather than listening to talking heads with an agenda I did my own research. One of my friends has a wife that works at a catholic hospital in the DC merto area. She isnt a catholic, just a nurse that needed a job, so i asked her hwo she felt about this. She said it would be great but too late for her since she left the catholic hospital and is working at another one that will cover her BC costs.

    THis is the problem, we listen to those with agenda’s rather than the ones who it would actually effect, talk to them and you will see this hwo foolish this actually has gotten. Plu sif you think about it, she isnt religious but is forced by her employer to follow their religious doctrine that BC is bad. So what about her freedom of religion?

    Besides, if you dont want to take BC and it goes agasint your beleif, fine dont take it. But dont let your myopic view of the world intrude on others. Jusat like those opposed to gay marrige, if you are opposed to it dont marry a gay person. Problem solved.

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    • Judeo_Christian
      Posted on February 22, 2012 at 4:25pm

      This should be simple enough that even you will understand:

      An organization, such as a CATHOLIC HOSPITAL must keep within the moral teaching of the CATHOLIC CHURCH if it wishes to maintain the description of CATHOLIC in its name. To that end, the hospital cannot provide substances or treatments for birth control or abortifacients. Morally the hospital cannot provide funds in insurance premiums to provide these illicit services either. The hospital would be morally complicit if they did so.

      No one forces a anybody to work at a CATHOLIC Hospital or organization. They choose to work there by their own free will. By choosing to work at a CATHOLIC organization, they abide by the culture within that organization. If they oppose this morality, they can quit their job and go work elsewhere.

      It can’t be any easier than that!

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    • watchtheotherhand
      Posted on February 22, 2012 at 5:27pm

      Uhm………. the ones who have to pay for something that goes against their religious beliefs have been weighing in, you just don’t like their position????? That was a pretty worthless comment.

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    • rs9
      Posted on February 22, 2012 at 6:35pm

      Nevermind
      Why the hell is it someone else’s responsibility to “pay for your wifes BC cost” ? pay for it yourself

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    • Luke21
      Posted on February 23, 2012 at 11:30pm

      Since when is BC a health issue? Who’s health is at risk & what disease/ailment would they be getting treated for that health insurance should have to cover it?

      Furthermore formularies pick & choose regularly what they will & won’t cover. Regularly we are told which brands (& in some cases types) of medication we can & cannot be prescribed, what treatments will & won’t be covered – yet the man who claims to be a “Christian” (& thanks for clarifying for us Al & Frank that we shouldn’t judge a man’s fruit – Christ was obviously wrong, but what does He know? We got you two to keep us on our game) – who’s never yet heard of an abortion that shouldn’t be legal or a Commandment that wasn’t meant to be broken – is now going to tell us to violate our conscience & like it.

      So now the death loving (ala Terri Schiavo), God-haters can tell insurance companies & businesses what recreational activities they must pay for – but the Gov’t can deny someone life-saving surgery because of cost and dehydrate/starve to death a woman – for humanities sake.

      This has nothing to do w/ access to BC & everything to do w/ undermining the Word of God, the Constitution, men’s consciences, & to promote a hedonistic society built on amoral shifting sands. Abortion is next.

      Isaiah 5:20 Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; Who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

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  • vaman
    Posted on February 22, 2012 at 3:55pm

    “Evangelical Taliban”!! What a great way of describing it. This “evangelical” concept hijacked the Republican party during the Reagan days. The similarities between evangelicals and the Taliban are remarkable.

    Both think their way of thinking is the only and correct way.

    Don’t believe what they do? Burning in hell.

    They have that particular type of arrogance, as if they know just a little more about the universe, which they don’t.

    Evangelicals would slaughter non believers just like the Taliban if they could get away with it.

    Both groups are full of hatemonger’s, but attempt to justify it by quoting religious texts

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    • EastofEdenFarms
      Posted on February 22, 2012 at 4:39pm

      Your ignorance is impressive. While ‘Evangelicals’ are passionate about our faith, and would love everyone to believe as we do, ‘slaughter’ is not in our repertoire. Probably, you know that and were merely releasing your inner troll.
      We will debate, contend and dispute, if necessary, to attempt to persuade others, but the Gospel is about Love conquering all foes, including trolls.

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    • Kitkarr
      Posted on February 22, 2012 at 5:19pm

      Sorry, Vaman, but simply and finally put, you are wrong in the most vast reaches of the deoths of the words meaning. Maybe that’s just the way you want it, so you can feel justified in your rejection of Truth. I’ve done that very thing before.

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    • Kitkarr
      Posted on February 22, 2012 at 5:22pm

      …depths…

      I just can’t spell.

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  • CS_GUY
    Posted on February 22, 2012 at 3:47pm

    Who is this guy?

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  • SquareHead
    Posted on February 22, 2012 at 3:15pm

    Frank is truly a sad sight, and his is the polar opposite of his father Francis Scheaffer, who was profound. See Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdLejdyNpik

    So what happened to Frank??? Did dad not give him enough attention? Or was Dad too hard on him?
    Frank’s ONLY contribution however; is to show the importance of fathers role in raising our sons. I am not sure what went wrong, but something obviously did. Frank is like your typical spoiled Baby Boomer who is forever rebelling against their parents, and they hate their morality, that gave the baby boomer his two parent home. Unlike the Baby Boomer Parents that are generally all “Me Monsters” who worship at the alter of I…..

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  • UBETHECHANGE
    Posted on February 22, 2012 at 3:14pm

    Check out this buried story on Yahoo! http://shine.yahoo.com/at-home/obama-gestapo-arrests-group-praying-front-white-house-183700088.html

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  • The Bushmaster
    Posted on February 22, 2012 at 3:13pm

    Ex-Evangelical Lib: Catholic Church Speaking on Sexual Morality ‘Is Like Being Lectured by the KKK on Race Relations’

    As much as it pains me to say so. This is a valid point considering all the little boy rapers coming out of the seminary.

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    • midnightvelvet
      Posted on February 22, 2012 at 3:19pm

      By that measure, your local public school is a freakin’ NAMBLA convention!

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    • Floyd ALsbach
      Posted on February 22, 2012 at 4:25pm

      This is getting real old. There are almost 500,000 priests in the world, and less than1% have ever even been accused of a crime. There is no other calling, no other profession where in the make members can make that claim. I’m 54 went to Catholic schools, Catholic churches all of my life. MY 4 siblings, 28 cousins all taught by priests, nuns, and brothers (monks) in all of that time and with all of those religious people I have known two priests who are recovering alcoholics, and one who had a fling with a Nun and left the priesthood. I have known one Nun besides who left because of a loss of faith.

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  • In the O.C.
    Posted on February 22, 2012 at 3:09pm

    How very sad about Frank Schaeffer. His father, Francis Schaeffer, really WAS a brilliant Christian apologist. Absolutely brilliant. Read anything he wrote. Anything. What happened to sonny-boy, Frank, is the great question. He has thrown his lot in with Obama. How shocking, but it happens to some of the greatest Christian thinkers’ offspring sometimes. Case in point. I, for one, won’t miss Frank Schaeffer AT ALL. What a disappointment HE is.

    However, one must make the same question about Ron Reagan, President Reagan’s son. He’s another one that you have to wonder “what the hell happened?” Only Michael Reagan has proven to be a strong advocate for the Right. Ronnie is weak, weaker, weakest still.

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    • rationallyurs
      Posted on February 22, 2012 at 3:53pm

      but little ronnie can really grab his ankles–lots and lots of practice

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    • The Mouse
      Posted on April 7, 2012 at 12:01pm

      That comment about Ron Reagan Jr being “gay” was uncalled for. So ALL gay men know how to touch their toes? If you think that being gay is about anal sex, you are definitely ignorant & need to talk to more gay folks. The first thing that came to my mind at age 12 when I first noticed my attraction to my sexy manly gym teacher and a few of my straight male classmates, whom I developed crushes on, was not: “hmmm, I wonder who I’d like to be the first to pork me?”. Why do most conservatives seem obsessed with anal sex?! Not all gay men engage in it anyway. It’s personal taste.

      Anyway, that is besides the point. I have been wanting to leave the Democratic Party for YEARS, now that I am becoming more familiar with the conservative viewpoint and about self-sufficiency and small government, but you know what keeps me from moving to the more enlightened side? The intolerance and ****-hating from people such as yourselves. I mean, isn’t small government about freedom? I am not saying all conservatives have to agree with homosexuality; just as I don’t agree about organized religion (of which I despise, to be honest), but can‘t we just agree to get along and respect each other’s personal choices, as long as they don’t hurt other people? The anti-gay view is keeping monogamous, respectful gay people from joining your ranks. Frank Schaeffer is right when he says the party has been hi-jacked by religious intolerance for other faiths & non-believers as well.

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  • defendingfaith
    Posted on February 22, 2012 at 3:08pm

    Another left wing bomb thrower. There are approx. 370,000 Roman Catholic priests throughout the world. The total number of Catholic charitable organizations exceeds 4,000. The Catholic Church is the largest giving in terms of organizations in the US. Catholic priests and religious care for people in parts of the world where most people fear to tread. But this hater condemns the entire church for the actions of a few relative to the size of the organization.

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  • TheObamanation
    Posted on February 22, 2012 at 3:06pm

    A libbytard that kills babies and says they are Christian … is like the kkk lecturing on race relations.

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    • Steelhead
      Posted on February 22, 2012 at 3:19pm

      Catholic priest raping young boys and then covering it up are not the best Christians either

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    • TheObamanation
      Posted on February 22, 2012 at 4:58pm

      By their acts you will know them.

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    • AJAYW
      Posted on February 22, 2012 at 6:03pm

      PINHEAD did you forget to wipe again

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  • Arcangel Michael
    Posted on February 22, 2012 at 3:00pm

    Jesus, I trust in You

    http://thedivinemercy.org/message/devotions/chaplethistory.php

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AySdEJx50Z0&feature=related

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    • JRook
      Posted on February 22, 2012 at 3:06pm

      But he wasn’t done there. He also claimed that seeing Catholic bishops stand up and make proclamations about sexual morality “is like being lectured by the KKK on race relations.” Such a statement is unfortunately rather accurate and truthful.

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  • mapgirl10
    Posted on February 22, 2012 at 2:52pm

    By their actions they shall be known.

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  • Dismayed Veteran
    Posted on February 22, 2012 at 2:51pm

    wgas. I’ll stay with my faith and the constitution.

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  • NHwinter
    Posted on February 22, 2012 at 2:39pm

    This is just more propaganda for Obama. Stir up every kind of controversial topic to pit one group against each other. They are doing a good job of it. Think about it – sex, religion, welfare, race, wealth, energy, enviroment, cars, companies, taxes, etc.

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  • kentuckypatriot
    Posted on February 22, 2012 at 2:36pm

    “They have been on a fishing expedition, trying to label this president first as a Muslim, then as a communist, then as a non-Christian, then as a secularist, and now all of the sudden he’s anti-religious,

    At least frankie is right about one thing!

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  • Endstatism
    Posted on February 22, 2012 at 2:35pm

    More utterances from a worshiper of government. Schaeffer`s “Bible” probably substitutes the word government for God.

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  • KickinBack
    Posted on February 22, 2012 at 2:35pm

    I believe it was Paul Ryan who said the other day something about if Obama can trample the 1st amendment in a controversial election year, just imagine what he would be capable of if winning re-election and not having to face voters again. Scary stuff.

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    • cemerius
      Posted on February 22, 2012 at 2:41pm

      Although I agree with very little from ron Paul, if he said that he is 100% correct!

      No Obama in 2012!

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    • doomytram
      Posted on February 22, 2012 at 3:17pm

      @Cemerius WTF? If you agree with very from Dr. Ron Paul, then you need to check your head! In 2008, the likes of Goyter Faced Troll John McCain, Mike Huckabee, and Mitt Romney laughed at Ron Paul during the Commie Presidential debates. In 2012, the embedded establishment GOP including Romney, Rick Perry, et al all agree with Ron Paul 100% and even have stolen many of his talking points, with one exception, waring with Iran.

      So unless you are a Obotic troll, then you would agree with Paul 99% of the time, and if you support Santorum, Romney, or Gingrich – then you believe everything Paul has been espousing for 30 years.

      You may want to watch less of the commie debates and consider again, that Paul is the best candidate for the Soviet Union of Greece that we have become…. all right chief.

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  • Gunonesis
    Posted on February 22, 2012 at 2:32pm

    The best part of this despicable pos commie rodent ran down his fathers leg!

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    • Endstatism
      Posted on February 22, 2012 at 2:40pm

      Gunonesis

      Frank Schaeffer`s father was one of the greatest Christian philosophers of the 20th century. He was very supportive of Christians taking back the culture. Frank was starting to follow in his dad`s path and I dont know what happened or who turned Frank to the dark side.

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    • cemerius
      Posted on February 22, 2012 at 2:45pm

      Endstatism…I found that the “preacher’s sons“ had to ”prove” how bad they could be as a sign of rebellion against their parents…..it’s unfortunate that this “man” has seen a different kind of light and fell for the baubels of ba’al

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  • democritusoilder267
    Posted on February 22, 2012 at 2:31pm

    The Catholic church or any religious or non-religious body has no right to tell people what to do about sex or birth control.

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    • kentuckypatriot
      Posted on February 22, 2012 at 2:42pm

      You are correct. The Catholic Church doesn’t have the right. However, God gave us free will. He also gave us a conscience. As a Catholic I will tell you it is against my teachings to use birth control. I will also remind you that what prez zero is doing is going AGAINST my religious freedom. I also will say it appears you are looking for a fight. You got one soilder, trust me. ( and maybe you should learn how to spell soldier )

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    • bombshelterbob
      Posted on February 22, 2012 at 2:45pm

      democritusoilder267
      Posted on February 22, 2012 at 2:31pm

      The Catholic church or any religious or non-religious body has no right to tell people what to do about sex or birth control.

      Neither does Karl Marx, er, I mean Barach Obama! Dang!!! Beck is right!

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    • midnightvelvet
      Posted on February 22, 2012 at 3:22pm

      The government has no right to make people provide birth control who are morally opposed to it.

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    • defendingfaith
      Posted on February 22, 2012 at 3:25pm

      You are right. You don’t have to belong to a church, but if you do it is assumed you support its doctrines. By your logic and as a Cardinal recently pointed out, we should be able to force Kosher butcher shops and stores to serve & sell pork. Really, try to present a reasoned argument if you intend on supporting dismantling the Constitution and the Catholic Church in the US.

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  • NHwinter
    Posted on February 22, 2012 at 2:30pm

    I would venture to say there is more sexual immorality going on in Congress than the church. Also, as noted many times before, there is more sexual abuse going on in other denominations than the Catholic church. Research – Bella Dodd–From Communist to Catholic – and you will see what has happened in the Catholic church and in our government.

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  • godlovinmom
    Posted on February 22, 2012 at 2:25pm

    Who are the extremist???..persons that want to stick with their beliefs and not have anyone tell them otherwise…(freedom of religion)..or someone pushing something down their throats they don’t believe in or want..mmmmm

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  • TomFerrari
    Posted on February 22, 2012 at 2:23pm

    TALK ABOUT STEREOTYPING !!!

    This is like saying that all men are child molesters, because a lot of men have done it! So, men cannot talk about having children.
    Or, like saying all women are whores! So they can’t talk about anything but sex.
    Or, all female school teachers have sex with their students, so they should never be allowed to teach.
    Or, like saying all gays have aids! So, they can’t talk about STD prevention.
    Or, like saying all germans are nazis, so they can’t talk about freedom.

    PUH-LEEZE.

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  • Gonzo
    Posted on February 22, 2012 at 2:19pm

    Actually, I think we did get lectured by Robert Byrd on race relations. I’m sure you saw no irony in that Frank.

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