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Ex-FBI Officer Claims She Saw a ‘Field of Angels’ Guarding the Flight 93 Crash Site on 9/11

Ex FBI Officer Lillie Leonardi Claims She Saw Angels at Flight 93 SiteLillie Leonardi’s story may be unbelievable to some. But the former FBI officer, who retired after suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder linked to her role in the aftermath of the September 11 terror attacks, continues to stick by her story. Leonardi’s book, “In the Shadow of a Badge: A Spiritual Memoir,” makes the claim that she saw legions of angels guarding the Pennsylvania site where United Airlines Flight 93 crashed.

On the surface, it’s one of those stories that seems fictitious and too good to be true, but Leonardi, 56, who served as a liaison between the families of the crew and passengers killed on the flight and law enforcement officials, isn’t backing down from it. When she arrived at the site just three hours after the crash, encountering a scene that she vividly recalls, she was struck by numerous elements.

“I’m used to crime scenes but this one blew me out of the water. It just looked like the ground had swallowed up [the plane],” she recalls.

But aside from the unpleasant smells and sights, Leonardi saw something so startling that she decided to keep it to herself for fear that co-workers would think she had lost her scruples.

Ex FBI Officer Lillie Leonardi Claims She Saw Angels at Flight 93 Site

Lillie Leonardi (AP)

“That’s when I started seeing like shimmery lights…and it was kind of misty and that’s when I first saw, like, the angels there,” she explains. “And I didn’t say anything to the guys because you can imagine if I would have said, ‘I just saw angels on the crash site,‘ they’d have called the office and they’d have said, ‘She lost her mind and tell her to go home.’”

Here’s how she describes the stunning scene in her book:

On this day, the shimmer of light began to grow and was almost blinding. I looked again and the light began to evolve into a foggy white mist. The white mist then began to take shape. It moved and swirled in patterns of spectacular white light. All at once, the mist took full shape and I saw what appeared to be angels. There were angels standing in the open area to the left of the crash site. There were hundreds of them standing in columns. There was a field of angels emerging from the realms of the mist. They were Archangels with their wings arched up toward the sky.”

Rather than initially telling others about what she saw, the former FBI staffer decided to keep it to herself for about two years. After she started to suffer from the effects of post-traumatic stress disorder, she began confiding in a close circle of friends, telling them what she observed that day.

Watch Leonardi describe the scene:

As one could imagine, believing something that requires such a deep-seated faith is difficult. But it seems that at least some of those whom Leonardi confided in also believe her story. Kenneth McCabe, her former supervisor, is among the individuals who accepts her account of the “field of angels.” Now also a retiree, the 59-year-old is backing the details presented in the book.

“I believe her. I read the whole book,” he said in an interview with the Associated Press. “I know she believes 100 percent that’s what she saw. I know she‘s a sane person so I’m not going to discount what she says she saw.”

Now, Leonardi is looking for some healing. By sharing her story, she‘s hoping that’s what she’ll be able to find, while also driving home the fact that she wants readers to know that, despite the pain and devastation, God was present on 9/11. While she was raised a devout Catholic, the former law enforcement agent claims that she now practices “spiritualism.”

Of course, she can’t help but wonder why she — and not others — was permitted to see the angels. Certainly, she has no doubts about what she observed, but she finds herself stuck with the “Why?”

“To this day I know I saw those angels, I’ve never doubted that,” she said. “What I doubted was, why me?”

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  • LeadNotFollow
    Posted on July 5, 2012 at 9:51am

    …
    I believe her, but she might come across as more sincere, if she would not wear the black eye liner all around her eyeballs. She seems a bit Goth or Emo. Lose the eyeliner lady.

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    • Todd P
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 11:21am

      In the book / movie The End Of The Spear, a true story of an Amazon tribe who converted to Christianity, it tells how the tribe killed a bunch of the missionaries – only to be amazed by the appearance of angels. This was a concept foreign to the tribesmen, but they came to believe.

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    • burnteye86
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 11:30am

      X3, get the hell off this site you freak.

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    • ChildOfTheKing
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 11:42am

      Personally, I believe her. I, too, had an encounter with angels back in the early 80s when I had car problems very early in the morning. As I was driving, my car began stuttering as I had had car problems prior to getting on the expressway. I looked down at my gauges and suddenly nothing was working. The car went silent. Then, I looked up and saw them; 2 HUGE angels (front), 1 on each corner of my hood, looked like they were just ‘walking my car on the expressway. I glanced quickly in my rear-view window and there were 2 in the back. They were carrying my car. I think I went into a trance because the next thing I knew, I was home. The car was parked outside my house, in the driveway and stopped. I tried to start it and it was totally dead. I ran in to get my Husband and he came out to take a look. I didn’t dare tell him at the time about the angels. He looked under the hood and then asked me how I got home. When I told him I drove, he said that it was impossible and that all my belts, were either gone or laying there under the hood. He said it was impossible.

      Then, I told him. We trust and love each very much and we are both followers of Christ. He believed me.

      Angels DO EXIST and we will see them more and more as this age comes to a close and we will see them to give us hope and belief that there is something greater than ourselves. The doubters will be just that and will most likely never see any until they open their hearts.

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    • Tom K
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 11:47am

      @ LEADNOTFOLLOW : I believe that God can and does “allow” some to see His angels.
      @ GROUNDZERO IS NUCLEAR DEMOLITION X3 : Don’t get so caught-up in your hate for our Government that you are blinded and miss seeing this miracle from our Father God in Heaven. Know that God WILL punish those that committed the murders on 9-11, whoever they may be. Praise God from Whom ALL Blessings Flow !

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    • Tigress1
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 11:53am

      Not everybody is a make-up artist. In her defense, wearing eye-liner like that does not necessarily reflect “Goth”, etc. Some women (who wear contact lens) cannot wear eye-liner on the inner side of the eyelashes closest to the eye because it is very irritating to the eyes. (Notice the absence of mascara as well.) Without eye-liner they look like pink-eyed rabbits!
      :)

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    • hillbillyinny
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 12:25pm

      @ TODD P, Loved that book, but heard the story years before through a missionary from our church who worked with Wycliff Bible Translators, the group represented by the missionaries killed. Don’t remember the “angels” being mentioned originally, nor do I remember reading of them in other books written by Jim Elliot’s wife, Elizabeth, or Nate Saint’s wife, Rachel, who both replaced their husbands with the Waorani’s tribe, long after their husbands were killed.

      However, this tribe were worshipers of “spirits in nature,“ as are so many other ”spiritually” oriented individuals who claim to have seen angels. Yet in the old Testatment and again in the new, angels are manifested to humans many, many times.

      I don’t think we need to be “searching” for angels, as even Satan, the most beautiful Angel ever made by God, is known as a false “angel of light”! I do think if we seek the spirit world, we may be permitted to engage with the spirit world, but often to our own detriment–spirit posession is a big possibility if not a reality (as is so often mentioned in the Bible when unexplained illnesses and behaviors cannot be identified).

      So, personally, I know God uses his angels for what He created them for, as His helpers. I know that Satan and one-third of the angels “rebelled” against God and have been given our Earth as their home until the end of time and they are defeated by the Son and his army. But, I don’t think we are supposed to be wrapped up in ang

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    • The_Doors_Of_Perception
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 12:32pm

      Childoftheking

      No offense to you personally but I find your story sickening. Right now as I write this multiple children are dying in excruciating pain. No doubt there are people praying for these very children and no angel will come to save them. Yet, this all powerful god of yours is like divine triple A. Like I said, sickening.

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    • txn4justice
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 1:31pm

      Cool mama,
      I say “Rock on”

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    • chaberthy
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 2:07pm

      This past Memorial Day, I took my kids to see the ‘Flight 93’ memorial and found it to be a beautiful experience. There is signage depicting the timeline. It is very clean. The park service has done a wonderful job on the memorial; especially the ‘Wall of Names’, and the huge rock where approximatley the plane crashed in the ‘Field of Honor’. It left me and my kids speechless. It is worth taking time out to see it.

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    • WayneXs
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 2:11pm

      One think I see wrong with her story: Angels, as depicted in the Bible, never have wings. I don’t know what she saw, but it wasn’t Biblical angels.

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    • ChildOfTheKing
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 2:17pm

      The_Doors_Of_Perception:
      I am very sorry you feel that way, but GOD HAS A REASON FOR EVERYTHING I cannot personally tell you why some see them and use them and some do not. I don’t have an answer. YOU SHOULD ASK GOD YOURSELF. If you ask earnestly, HE will lead you to the answer.

      Personally, I don’t believe I really deserved the help, even though I read my Bible daily and pray daily, but we all have a personal angel AND a personal demon that are with us 24/7.

      If your heart is dark, then I guess the demon wins out. If you heart is open or is in love with the Father, I guess the guardian angel wins out. They are just my thoughts.

      I know you mean no offense and that is ok, too! MANY people will not believe and that is what makes us all so unique and different. THAT, IS WHAT MAKES AMERICA GREAT! We can agree to disagree without violence (I hope).

      But, having said all that, I do pray daily for this country, for whomever I am led to pray for, and for those who ask me to, so as for children, I just don’t have an answer except to say that ALL CHILDREN who are not of an accountable age WILL BE WITH THE FATHER no matter what. I know that does not make you feel any better, but it is a fact. No one has the exact answer for what you are asking. But, know this, GOD WILL HELP THOSE WHO ASK. For those who do not because of pride or unbelief will NOT be helped. God knows the person’s heart and will consider that, as well.

      So, just read me story with a smile. T

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    • JQCitizen
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 2:21pm

      Doors: I don’t think I read that Childoftheking DEMANDED deliverance; She simply accepted it with gratefulness, and wonder!

      Unfortunately your perception of God seems to be that He should be “fair” in his help here on earth. This discounts that in THIS LIFE, ever since Mankind favored THEIR OWN WAY rather than God’s, we ALL suffer. God will relieve all suffering for his saints in heaven, but down here on earth, “..It is He that has made us, and not we ourselves…” (Psalm 100) He may work his will in whatever way He sees fit;The fact that we do not UNDERSTAND HIS WAYS does not make them WRONG!

      I DO ask God to protect me and mine from suffering! But it is my place to ask, “according to His Will”, and OFTEN I have found that He WALKS WITH ME THROUGH the trial if He does not DELIVER me FROM it!

      I just discussed this concept with my grandchildren this very week. My granddaugher is 6 years old, and loves to make cards and little books for people. When she made her last one, she asked me who she should give it to. I told her, “Chantel, you made that card; It belongs to you; – You may give it to whomever you wish.” Then I taught her about how God made us for His purposes; – and then the concept of His sending HIS OWN SON to purchase us back again!

      “…The earth is the LORD’S, and the fullness thereof…” (Psalms also)

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    • ChildOfTheKing
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 2:25pm

      WayneXs:
      I never saw wings. I saw HUGE men in white. I never saw a wing or I just never noticed wings. But, these men carrying my car were made 7 to 8 feet tall and larger than the largest (muscular and tall) person I have ever seen. I think I went into shock, so all the details didn’t come to me until later, when I sat down and thanked God for His divine help.

      I did look around thinking everyone else saw them as I did. No one noticed as they never looked at me. Then, I thought I was hallucinating. That could not be because I made it home and my car was dead and it was impossible for me to get home without belts in my car. So, I PRAISE GOD FOR WHAT HE HAS DONE FOR ME, but I have always believed in angels. I guess God wanted to uplift me and reinforce my beliefs.

      As for those who call my story sickening because of the little kids suffering everywhere. Maybe those who doubt my story or other stories should get off their butts and ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING TO HELP OTHERS instead walking around blaming, criticizing and doubting the POWER OF GOD.

      God does want HE wants, when HE wants, and with WHOM HE WANTS. Man has absolutely no control over what God does, so to doubt someone seeing angels IS CALLING GOD A LIAR.
      Be careful…..be very very careful what you say about God or His people. HE WILL NOT LIKE IT. GOD IS ALSO A JEALOUS GOD.

      Find out in the Bible WHY HE IS A JEALOUS GOD ALSO ,and not just a wonderful LOVING God.

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    • anomnomnommm
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 3:54pm

      Aliens.

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    • COFemale
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 4:34pm

      And what does her appearance have too do with her story? Only CAD’s comment on someones make-up or lack of make-up to pump themselves up. Your statement just cancelled your credibility, because you made it a personal attack rather attack her story.

      Nothing you say will ever be taken serious just because of this dumb comment.

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    • mils
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 5:15pm

      PLEASE explain what do her looks have to do with her truth?….
      !:) perhaps we choose paths in this life..to learn..learn through loving, losing, suffering, happiness…OR maybe we’re here like the throw of the dice, chance…
      I don’t know, neither do you…all we have is what we chose to believe.
      ..HOWEVER, The important thing is she believes this..and her truth seems to based on her god and her religion, so what you think, really doesn’t matter..sorry to be blunt..but, it’s her truth.

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    • Hollywood
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 5:39pm

      Sad that she is a Spiritualist now. God condemns communicationg with the dead. I will pray for her.

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    • De-Elect
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 7:03pm

      Man I hate that. Why do women think that looks good in any way?

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    • AfricanWarrior
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 8:58pm

      Hollywood

      The Lord works in mysterious ways, who are you to dare question his will, his ways, or his methods?

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    • ViewPointtt
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 9:09pm

      There is reasonable suspicion that the crash did not occur; not a single plane part, not a single human part etc. If the crash did not occur, then this woman is a deceiver… because angels would not appear to guard, or honor a mere hole in the ground. The fact that she is a spiritualist indicates that she evoked a demon… and this demon is instructing her, commanding her to do the bidding of their master.

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    • waggie
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 9:52pm

      @Todd P – The gentleman who wrote the book, Steve Saint, was in our church to promote the movie just before it came out. He brought with him the man who he calls “grandfather”, one of the tribesman who killed his missionary father. It was absolutely amazing. Steven truly considers “Grandfather” his adopted father/grandfather. A story of true forgiveness and love.

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    • teaisstronger
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 10:26pm

      STRANGE INDEED

      People are believing in Zombies but not Angles. We have a satan in the White House yet no one believes in angles. Hmmm.

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    • survivorseed
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 10:34pm

      child of the king…sounds more like angel dust than actual angels

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    • AmericanPatriot
      Posted on July 6, 2012 at 12:13am

      The eyeliner is simply her personal style, silly!

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    • Deuteronomy22
      Posted on July 6, 2012 at 8:13am

      Too bad they didn’t show up a few hours earlier and stop the terrorists or guide the plane. I le these miracles like when a single person survives crash that killed dozens and how God saved them but never bothered to steer the church bus away from the cliff.

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    • RamonPreston
      Posted on July 6, 2012 at 10:53am

      WayneXs
      Some angels have wings and others don’t. Lucifer’s (before he became Satan) wings covered the throne of God. Ezekiel 28:14
      There are different classes of angels. Some look like humans. Others have 4 faces (Eagle, Ox, Lion, and human.) Ezekiel 1:10, Ezekiel 10:4

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    • RamonPreston
      Posted on July 6, 2012 at 11:11am

      My wife wears the best makeup: soap and water.

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    • nurse1
      Posted on July 6, 2012 at 6:22pm

      I believe that she saw legions of angels without a doubt!! As a nurse, I have seen and heard from dying patients that angels or demons have come into the room waiting to escort them to the other side. Or many times a loved one who has already passed will be present to escort the dying person. It is rather a common thing for nurses who work with those who are in the process of dying. If an angel or a family member is there waiting to escort you to heaven, it is a comfort for all and brings peace. I believe it is God’s gift to help remove the fear of death and the unknown. When I worked in a hospital it was tradition to leave the window opened for awhile when someone died as a gesture to let their spirit leave this world and go to the next. We all know spirits can go through doors and windows but it is still something we always did out of respect. I have known people who saw angels, including my own grandmother. There are many accounts of this and we should take comfort that God is watching and sending his messenger to help in a time of need. The Bible even talks about entertaining strangers and to be ready to help others and that you never know when you are entertaining an angel who was sent for a particular reason. And God is no respector of persons and will listen to cries for help from anyone since we are all His children. He loves all of us regardless of race or creed. We are like beautiful flowers that come in different shapes, sizes, varieties, colors,and scents.

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    • mycomet123
      Posted on July 6, 2012 at 7:32pm

      @THE_DOORS_OF_PERCEPTION, you stated that there are many children suffering in pain now & God didn’t send them an angel to help them? I know it is hard to understand why God allows suffering, especially in children. I have taken care of children that were terminally ill & what I do know is that God’s gives GRACE to these children & their families to help them endure, & grow closer to God. I have heard many families state that they could have never have gotten through their child’s illness & death without God, and that without God there was no hope of ever seeing their child again. There is one thing that every person on this planet has in common with everyone else–EVERY ONE WILL DIE. It’s your choice to believe what you want. I believe that suffering has meaning & is not in vain!. You ask why God didn’t send an angel to help the child, well I believe He does send these suffering children angels (along with their gaurdian angels)to help them get through the pain, not to take it away. Just as He sent His own Son an angel to help Him endure His suffering on the Cross.

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    • Marlene18
      Posted on July 7, 2012 at 1:35pm

      I, too, have a provable angel story. I am jewish with a deep belief in god. Some years ago, I was in a group where one of the members was a jew by choice because she had memories of being jewish during WWII although she was not yet born into this life. SHe was in her 40′s when I knew her around the turn of the 21st century. Her mother was having a serious operation and the doctors said, it was highly unlikely that she would survive the operation. My friend was in her mother’s room before the operation and suddenly she saw angels patting her mother, many of them. Her mother survived the operation and lived for many years after that. When hear mom awoke after the surgery, the first thing she said was ,”Who was patting me all night

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    • zepperke
      Posted on July 7, 2012 at 2:53pm

      Seriously? You listen to a profoundly personal story and take away sincerity points based on makeup technique? How did you like her haircut? The outfit she was wearing? Maybe the background setting was not to your liking. Do you know what relevance means?

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    • bobbiejean
      Posted on July 7, 2012 at 6:01pm

      @LeadNotFollow, Cut her some slack. Looks like her makeup style is dated. If she has a
      good stylist when/if she makes speaking engagements, perhaps her makeup will be updated.
      But, yeah, one can use eyeliner with a MUCH lighter hand and a lighter shade.

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    • myop
      Posted on July 7, 2012 at 6:51pm

      God look at the heart, not the looks, in this case. If she was what you think, she would not be able to speak about it, but she would have been like lady gaga. … You are more concerned about her looks, than you are concerned about the spiritual message she is trying to share with people. Like they say, never judge a book by it’s cover, it might just give you the surprise of your life!

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    • tonyw46
      Posted on July 8, 2012 at 10:40pm

      I have never been a church goer but I do believe in God and I have my own story to share about Guardian Angels. Years ago, before the seatbelt law was passed, my best friend and I were in his small Toyota Corolla. We were at a red light, it was raining, and inexplicably and without word to one another, we simultaneously put on our seatbelts. We drove a few blocks down the hill and got into a head-on collision with a truck. We both we unharmed. Weeks later I asked him why he put on the seatbelt that day and he was as mystified as I was. I have read numerous Near Death Experience books and take those who have them as being quite credible. After all, no matter the person’s religion or lack thereof, the reports worldwide are virtually the same. In January I got pneumonia that turned septic and was literally hours away from dying. My Nephew, fortunately for me, decided to stop by and say hi that night. He noticed that I was incoherant (blood pressure of 67/33) and was having great difficulty breathing so he called an ambulance and saved my life. Since then I have committed myself to appreciating the small things in life and not to get caught up in meaningless things. I take this woman’s story at face value and am thankful she chose to share it, despite knowing many would criticize her (even for her choice in eyeliner-really folks??). I have always lived according to one single saying, treat others how you would have them treat you.

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  • In the O.C.
    Posted on July 5, 2012 at 9:49am

    I believe her. I have acquaintances who worked DAILY at the NY site of the attack and directly after it having happened. This is truth I am telling you. They reported (not all of them, but several of them) having witnessed the SAME THING. They knew the site was surrounded by angels, and they SAW the angels. This is not some weird, baying-at-the-moon wacko woman. She SAW them. I believe her.

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    • AndYetItMoves
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 10:02am

      Of course you do. If you were willing to believe everything in that book, how on earth could you refuse to share this woman’s hallucination.

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    • Simon de Montfort
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 10:04am

      Mass hysteria… It’s happened before will happen again.

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    • Hanner
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 11:18am

      OC don’t listen to these scoffers. These are the same people that were around on the day of Pentecost laughing it up and saying: “These are drunk on new wine.” Being as these brainiacs don‘t believe in God or angels let’s just pray and ask God to let a devil visit them. I can promise you that they will shut up after that encounter.

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    • The_Doors_Of_Perception
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 11:37am

      Hanner I just heard an alarm go off. Time for your medication

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    • ChildOfTheKing
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 11:52am

      The_Doors_Of_Perception:
      Sad for you and you will probably go on with your life thinking that you are a god UNTIL you die when your eyes will be completely opened. THEN, it will be too late.

      Yup. Sad for you.

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    • Simon de Montfort
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 11:59am

      @HANNER I wasn’t at Pentacost nor were you. Mass hysteria does exist just as I am sure the Holy Spirit can be revealed to more than one person at time. The point is not to be caught up in the claims of another who has a vested commercial interest in describing divine manifestations.

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    • ChildOfTheKing
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 12:09pm

      AndYetItMoves:
      And yet you move……..who would have thunk it………you, of all people.
      Disbelief of God and anything pertaining to God IS SIN.

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    • ChildOfTheKing
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 12:13pm

      Simon de Montfort:
      I did not write a book and have told VERY FEW people about my encounter with those 4 angels I described in my previous post so what did I have to gain? duh.

      Angels ARE REAL and they are used for a PURPOSE. No, not everyone can see them, only those God chooses – FOR A REASON. Sometimes, God will show a person an angel JUST TO HELP THEIR UNBELIEF, and sometimes he lets those who do not believe, go their own way.

      If you are right and I am wrong, I will have lost NOTHING.
      If I am right and you are wrong, you will have lost EVERYTHING.

      Read your Bible and find out about all the angels God used throughout to do His bidding in various ways. HE ALWAYS HAD A REASON.

      God has not given up on mankind. Mankind, at least people like you, have given up on Him. HE STILL CONTINUES TO HELP THOSE WHO BELIEVE AND WORSHIP HIM.

      You are on your own.

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    • The_Doors_Of_Perception
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 12:23pm

      Childofking

      I don‘t think I’m a god…just to clear that up.

      Don’t feel sad. I’m enjoying life, and the people in my life. I have never been happier…disovering the wonders of reality and experiencing this earth to the best of my ability. I am so damn lucky to be here! Not everyone will get to experience this life on earth like I get to do and enjoy it. One day, if nothing else happens unforseen, the moon will eventually move out of earth’s orbit, the sun will die and explode like a star is doing every second in the cosmos, and the andromeda galaxy will collide with the milky way. So, I just feel lucky that I’m alive in the here and now. I’m making the most of my life and the relationships I form, in this moment, and respecting every moment. Even as mundane as that one moment might appear(like this comment i’m writing) I relish it and embrace it and smile…because I‘m here and I’m me and I’m aware. I’m concious. When there is substantial proof that there is some after life, I will decide on my own if wish to “live forever”…that will be my choice. But, until then I will assume there is not and embrace every human second I have here and work hard to make sure every other human being has the chance to do so as well. So, although sad wouldn’t be the correct term for how I feel for you, I feel a sense of loss that you are wasting your time with superstition like they did thousands of years ago when they didn’t quite have the knowledge at their fi

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    • Hanner
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 1:44pm

      OC and CHILDOFTHEKING take heart I have encouraging word. 1 Cor. 2:14– The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, but considers them foolishness and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.(Hello, Doors!) John 3:12– I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe, how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things?
      What earthly things you say…. What came first, the chicken or the egg? The seed or the orange? Science teaches us that pollination, and procreation are accomplished through adult species. Again, the chicken or the egg? Lets see the hash-pipe theory on that.
      The unbelievers look upon believers like a calf staring at a new gate. They can’t understand these things because they do not have the Spirit of God in them.

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    • PaxInVeritate
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 1:56pm

      First, “Spiritualism” sounds a tad bit like “Next Age” (a.k.a. New Age). If that is where she is at in her spiritual life, then the “Why me?” is simple… come back home dear.
      Second, CHILDOFTHEKING… Simon de Montfort was suggesting that she might be doing this to promote her book, which is monetary gain, and should be held suspect if that is the case.
      Third, Simon is correct in discerning if mass hysteria is relevant to any claim of the movement of The Paraclete or sighting of angelic beings. Although, I wouldn’t attribute “mass hysteria” to a situation that involves a single person witnessing the event. Does the mental and emotional state of the person play into an extremely chaotic and traumatic event in how they process what they are experiencing? Of course, and that is proper. To have a “character witness” to back the persons veracity is also important, which she provides, and goes to the credibility of her story.
      In the end, from my perspective, it was a personal revelation and it’s up to her to evaluate it and act upon it in her own life.

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    • Hanner
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 2:20pm

      For all of you smart people whose smart is so smart that it has outsmarted your smart.

      Simple definition: This woman has a…wait for it…..TESTIMONY!!!!! She just wanted to share it with us, that’s all. God Bless and I will be here all week if needed.

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    • ChildOfTheKing
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 2:34pm

      The_Doors_Of_Perception
      I AM glad you are enjoying your life, but YOU KNOW THAT DEEP, DEEP DOWN IN YOUR SOUL, something is missing. I believe it is FAITH AND LOVE FOR GOD, which only you can find.

      I doubt you will believe it a superstition WHEN YOU ARE ON YOUR DEATHBED or have already passed on. YOU WILL BELIEVE THEN – IN GOD only because of your unbelief, YOU WILL NEVER GET TO SEE HIM, only Satan. So, don’t feel sorry for me. I feel sorry for you.

      Right and wrong actually came from the Bible. IT‘S NOTHING NEW AND THE ATHEISTS DIDN’T COME UP WITH IT. So, since God IS good then IT IS HE that created it.

      I can prove there is a God. YOU CANNOT PROVE THERE IS NO GOD. You would have to be deaf, dumb, and blind to believe in nothingness and then I know even those who are mentally challenged who actually believe in God, so what does that make you? I wonder.

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    • The_Doors_Of_Perception
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 3:07pm

      Childoftheking

      I assure there is nothing missing in my life. You don’t know me, your belief is the only thing that makes you think I am missing something because it tells you so. But I promise you I am not…I use to be Christian….a missionary in fact. I have brought many people to christ. I have never been happier in my life now.

      That is the arrogance of the believers…knowing that I am not whole…even though you don’t know me at all. It’s really quite offensive…but I understand. Beliefs are powerful.

      “Good” and “Bad” did not come from the bible and you can‘t prove that there is a god any more than I can prove that there isn’t. I’m not trying to disprove…I always wait for the evidence…there is no evidence of either so I will calmly wait. I am completely open for there being a god…as open as I am for a lot things that have yet to be discovered or known.

      You should read about ancient civilizations….they had a pretty healthy moral compass way before the bible was even thought of. Read and seek knowledge.

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    • The_Doors_Of_Perception
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 3:10pm

      Oh and I know quite a few people who are deaf, dumb, blind, and mentally challenged who believe in god as well. I guess that would make me not deaf, dumb, blind, and menatlly challenged…since you were wondering.

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    • 22AUTOMATIC
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 3:12pm

      Absolutely this is a true story. This is just one of an infinite amount of small but important things that once again prove the existence of God. See the clip below of four separate strangers watching an angel pull a person from a car accident a few years ago. These moments just solidify my faith. As our Judeo/Christian Founders said “Divine Providence.”

      http://youtu.be/s9xDY2M0Qwo

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    • PaxInVeritate
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 3:43pm

      HANNER is partially right. Those who will only accept what they can be certain of, because there is no “proof” of anything else, and there are contrary examples in the world of a benevolent God, will not  from the standpoint of faith accept the existence of the supernatural/spiritual, and no amount of discourse will convince them otherwise. That is why we make supplications to the Lord God on their behalf through prayer and fasting so that they might be open to the promptings of the Spirit.
           “O my dearest Savior, Jesus Christ, accept my gift of prayer and sacrifices to help save my brothers and sisters from the prison of darkness they are in. Allow me to help salvage their souls. I beg you to forgive them for their sins and I ask that you flood their souls with the Holy Spirit so that they will run into your arms as the refuge they so desperately need before they are lost forever. I offer you my gift of surrender for such souls in humble servitude and thanksgiving. Amen.”

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    • moose8684
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 4:01pm

      So you mean to tell me that in this day and age, when 99% of people in this country have immediate access to a camera, nobody was able to capture a picture of one of these angels? Furthermore, this woman was investigating the crash of an airliner, in which thousands of pictures were taken, but she saw angels that nobody else saw, and that were not captured in any of the thousand pictures being taken, yet you still believe her? I am not one to lecture people about faith, as I could really care less about what someone else’s faith is so long as it does not affect me, but you guys have got to be the most gullible people on earth. What kind of God would allow a plane to crash, but then send angels after all the people are dead? It amazes me that you people can believe that an FBI agent saw angels at the sight were flight 93 crashed with nothing more than her word alone, but you cannot even entertain the idea that the government may have had inside knowledge of what was happening that day, even when presented with real information on the matter.

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    • Hanner
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 7:52pm

      To whom it may concern: there are a lot of doubters, unbelievers, skeptics,…etc. on this site and it is understandable. What have you seen to make you believe in God? Some…a little, some…a lot, some…nothing. Who’s to blame? God blames the preachers. Jeremiah 23:1–woe to the shepherds who are destroying and scattering the sheep of my pasture. Jer 23:11–both prophet and priest are godless… Jer 23:15-for from the prophets of Jerusalem ungodliness has spread throughout the land. Now for the bomb that will anger some…these so-called preachers, pastors, and priests in these pulpits are NOT called of God to be in the pulpit. What? Has God lowered his standards? Where is the power of the Holy Ghost being manifested? Where are those spiritual gifts? These standards was set by Jesus himself, passed on to the apostles, and many more after them. There are many unsaved preachers in these pulpits. Those that are saved are just that…saved. NOT chosen by God to be over the sheep. God reserves the right to choose his ministers himself, and those he chooses, he equips for the job! I ask again…when did the Lord lower his standards??? Well that’s not happening anywhere today hanner, you’re crazy!! My point exactly…the standard of the pulpit was NEVER lowered. Man has failed, not God. It is no big surprise to me that all of this confusion about God exists. The manifested power of God will authenticate the message and the messanger. It did in the early church.

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    • Hanner
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 8:05pm

      Doors of Perception–you want proof. It’s coming. I’ve already seen the proof for myself, but you don’t need my experiences, you need your own. I don’t handle snakes either! Somebody comes at me with a snake, and i will either run or have to repent for what will happen next.

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  • leftcoastslut
    Posted on July 5, 2012 at 9:45am

    God will only give you what you can handle. He knew she needed support to complete her duties. I think almost everyone was in “post traumatic stress” syndrom and many remain there, stuck in a time warp.

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    • LeadNotFollow
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 10:04am

      …
      I used to believe whole heartedly, that God only gives you what you can handle. So why are there so many suicides? People kill themselves, because they’ve been dealt more than they can handle. I’m not criticizing your comment in any way. I’m just pointing out a fact.

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    • KAWLME
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 10:24am

      @Leadnot follow
      Suicide happens when a person loses all hope. It is a sad thing to see and a hard thing for the person to deal with. Once a person gets help they have to be vigilant in keeping the hopeless thoughts dealt with. God does give us more than we can handle so we will turn to Him for guidance and learning to be able to handle more.

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    • clandaddy
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 10:37am

      God will never give you more than you can handle. Losing track of this and the fact that you can lean on Him when you feel weak is despair and despair is the means to suicide.

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    • johnjamison
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 10:49am

      kawlme,
      suicide happens when people depend on others.Self reliance and validation stop 100% of suicides 100% of the time.

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    • Bruce01
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 11:08am

      Leadnotfollow, It would be my opinion the people who commit suicide do not know God or have a relationship with Jesus and feel the weith of the world. Jesus tells us this in the following passage:

      28 “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”

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    • Todd P
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 11:13am

      When people commit suicide, it is not God who lets go of them in times of despair – but they who let go of God.

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    • SolitudeBliss
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 11:36am

      @LeadNotFollow Why so many suicides? Has nothing to do with God giving you too much to handle. Religion is a tool for those who cannot get through Life’s hardships on their own. Suicides happen for a variety of reasons, the most common of which is a chronic imbalance of chemicals in the brain which is easily treated with anti-depressants. To say that people commit suicide because God gave them too much to handle is preposterous.

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    • ChildOfTheKing
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 11:50am

      LEADNOTFOLLOW:
      Suicide not only happens to those who lose all hope, but to those who either do not believe there is a real Heaven and a real God. Some think they just go to sleep at death (NOT TRUE). Some believe that everyone goes to Heaven (NOT TRUE). NONE of us can determine where that suicide person will end up. Only God know that because the ONLY unforgiveable sin is one of NOT BELIEVING IN JESUS CHRIST at death. In other words, if you refuse to believe, then you will not enter Heaven. God is a God of justice and therefore he rewards those who believe in him and does not reward those who do not. Since God cannot look upon sin, no person who has sin can enter into Heaven, so that is why Jesus went to the cross for mankind. BUT, man must accept this. If he does not, he cannot and will not enter Heaven at death. GOD IS A GOD OF JUSTICE.

      Angels are used to help mankind. God knows the heart and he knows what you will do or not do before you even know it, so this woman was open to God and is a believer. There is always a reason God allows man to see an angel and it is always for HIS glory and not man’s.

      So, all you scoffers out there, that’s ok. Scoff away. You are only hurting yourself with your doubts, for someday YOU will die and either see God OR NOT and TODAY will determine YOUR OUTCOME.

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    • The_Doors_Of_Perception
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 11:53am

      Can you tell me how you know what happens at all after death?

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    • MemphisViking
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 11:59am

      There are so many suicides because A) people don’t want to deal with what God gives them and B) people don’t lean on God.

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    • ChildOfTheKing
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 12:06pm

      The_Doors_Of_Perception:
      An excellent book to read is called “HEAVEN” by Randy Alcorn. It explain EVERY SINGLE THING ABOUT HEAVEN YOU WOULD OR COULD WANT TO KNOW, along with Biblical scripture to back it up.

      So, if you do NOT believe in the Bible, then, I guess you won’t believe no matter what. If you doubt or do believe at all, THIS IS THE BEST BOOK I HAVE EVER READ, ALONG SIDE THE BIBLE.

      It is so good, I will not lend it out. It answers EVERYTHING, including about animal souls. Phenomenal book.

      So, if you want to know what happens after death and what Heaven looks like, what you will be doing after death, etc., I suggest you check it out at your local library first before you consider buying it.

      When my Mom died, my boss recommended it to me and I bought it. Besides the Bible, this book thrilled me to no end as a lot of people think that when we die we just float around in Heaven, sit in green fields and do nothing. WRONG.

      Anyways, if you don’t believe, give it a read, maybe it will have something in it you can relate to. If not, well, I guess you will just go on thru life believing in nothing but yourself. And that will be too bad for you because God has given you many chances and if you continue the path you’re going, there won’t be any left. IT IS YOUR CHOICE. It is ONLY your choice. God will love you even up to the very moment after death that He tells you HE DOES NOT KNOW YOU because you refused to know HIM.

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    • The_Doors_Of_Perception
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 12:37pm

      Well thank you for your kind words but I should have been more clear. I mean I need proof…I’m pretty sure if someone knew exactly how “heaven” was supposed to be and had proof I wouldn’t have to go to amazon.com to pick it up. Would have been pretty big news around the world.

      I can write a book describing what heaven is like too.

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    • EM2T93
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 1:06pm

      @The_Doors_of_Perception…

      Just a suggestion…“A Case for Faith” and “A Case for a Creator” by Lee Strobel…former investigative reporter for The Chicago Tribune and former atheist who required a lot of in-depth research before his belief in Christianity…and “Evidence That Demands a Verdict” by Josh McDowell (follow-up book “More Evidence”)…
      Honestly, though, I’m certainly not as good an example of the faith as many others here at The Blaze; however, I do believe, and in writing this, I certainly feel a conviction to “get right” with that. :)

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    • The_Doors_Of_Perception
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 1:26pm

      Thank you very much for the recommendations. I have actually read Lee Strobel. I use to be a Christian. Went on mission trips and led people to Christ. Unfortunately, I have opened my eyes to reality and I don’t ever want to go back to wishful thinking just to appease the innate desire in humans to see patterns that produce superstitions. To me there is something far more beautiful about reality and the nature of things, that can be touched, studied, verfied or proven wrong. That is the great thing about science it is always changing and checked and verfied. Science of course isn’t any where close to always being right but that is not the point. The same things that are right about Science are what is wrong about the bible. It is constant and never changing, that is why churches/believers are always having to square the hole to make things fit, and why the bible will always be wrong. The bible, is beautiful in some parts but to see it differently then any other book that was written by man gets people in a lot of trouble.

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    • EM2T93
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 7:04pm

      My apologies…I did not read the post where you explained you were once a Christian. I absolutely believe that there is a place for science in Christianity, as believing God is the infinite creator of it. The order of the universe and the human body, nature, etc. Certainly, science is the basis of this…but used and manifested by His hand, first, not ours. The word you used, “innate”, is also another sign of His existance as human nature is such that it looks to something higher than self. That innate sense, as I believe, is God giving His creation an intellectual and spiritual guide to Him without forcing us. It is our choice. I appreciate your words, though, and I‘m sure you’re sorely missed within the Christian community, and definitely by Him. :)

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    • harriettdespy
      Posted on July 8, 2012 at 4:42pm

      I have always believed that GOD will give you more than you can handle. But only because he wants you to learn to trust,rely,and believe in God,himself. He tells you repeatedly to lean on him and let him carry your burdens. If you can handle a situation give it up to GOD.

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  • eflow504
    Posted on July 5, 2012 at 9:42am

    i believe her

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    • JamesW
      Posted on July 6, 2012 at 6:34am

      ” Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.” Proverbs 16: 18

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  • hauschild
    Posted on July 5, 2012 at 9:39am

    Yeah, and I just saw Elvis last night walking across the parking lot with a 6-pack of Old Milwaukee under his arm.

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    • Rajabear1
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 10:05am

      Did you at least get an autograph? I think I’m more inclined to believe her than you. Go figure…

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    • ChildOfTheKing
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 11:58am

      Just go back under your rock and go back to sleep. There are REAL adults here.

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    • FensterKarton
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 5:23pm

      That is a load of crap. Elvis doesn’t drink Old Milwaukee

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    • tharpdevenport
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 10:43pm

      Was there a whiff of peanut butter and banana snadwiches in the air?

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  • RRFlyer
    Posted on July 5, 2012 at 9:38am

    Someone misused the word “Scruples”

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    • Megatron
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 10:20am

      Maybe they meant for the word ‘marbles’ to go there? Happens to me all the time.

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  • Pray for USA
    Posted on July 5, 2012 at 9:36am

    If today you hear His voice, harden not your hearts.

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  • Steve Crisp
    Posted on July 5, 2012 at 9:34am

    If they were angels, they certainly were not sent by God for the benefit of those killed. Those people died instantly and their souls were immediately transformed to either be in the eternal presence of God or suffer in hell depending on the decision them made while alive. Should an angel escort into eternity have been needed, that task was long accomplished by the time she got to the accident scene.

    But let’s suppose that angels were present for the benefit of rescuers. If I had seen them, I don’t know about you. but my reaction would have been a bit less subdued than hers regardless of what I thought anyone would think about my reaction. I would have first ascertained that they were actually angels rather than demons by literally quizzing them if they worshiped Jesus Christ as the living God and savior of the world. Wrong answer and they are demons. But if they answered correctly, my job at the crash site would have ended right then and turned to worship and praise for God and his creations. That reaction would have been unmistakable and unhidden to anyone present.

    Beyond that, I don’t recall anywhere in the Bible of angels appearing as amorphous mists. They always appeared either in their full angelic form or as humans and did so without first performing magic tricks.

    So no, based on her reported reaction, I don’t think she actually saw angels.

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    • by faith
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 9:56am

      “Should an angel escort into eternity have been needed, that task was long accomplished by the time she got to the accident scene.”

      You are assuming that all of the passangers on the plane died upon impact? How do you know that no one was suffering and in need of comfort when she arrived at the site three hours after the crash.

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    • AndYetItMoves
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 10:05am

      Does this sound abjectly insane to anyone else?

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    • The_Doors_Of_Perception
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 10:09am

      An angel came to me last night and he said never talk to angels. So I quit.

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    • The_Doors_Of_Perception
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 10:11am

      You mean Steve Crisp talking to angels or demons…or just the whole story? Because the answer is yes.

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    • Charles
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 10:53am

      @Byfaith – that aircraft hurtled straight down into the ground at over 500 mph. Every one was dead immediately on impact.Maybe some spirits lingered wondering, but souls were all that remained when it hit the earth.

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    • by faith
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 11:07am

      I’m obviously not saying there were survivors.
      I am only questioning the timing of the deaths.
      There a many examples I can give you of people who should not have survived their own personal trauma. (car accidents, explosions…)
      I am not saying it happened, I am only asking how do you know it didn’t?

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    • Steve Crisp
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 12:09pm

      By Faith:

      How do I know that no one survived impact? Because the plane AUGURED INTO THE GROUND AT 500+ MPH!

      They would not have even pulled a recognizable body out of that wreckage. The remains would have been small pieces and most likely burned from the resulting fire. Remember, the fuel tanks were full.

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    • christos
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 2:32pm

      To STEVEN CRISP — You limit +JESUS+GOD+ what if those Angel were their just for her to see,,you don’t believe +JESUS+GOD+ does things like this on a personal level it always has to be a crowd,your wrong,true believers would not question what she saw they would just know it was from +JESUS+GOD+ who also controls these demons you mention,,,you cannot gage how this woman would react only +JESUS+GOD+ knew how she would react and also 2 years later how you STEVEN CRISP would react to her Personal Miracle,,,,Picking it apart,rationalizing,analyzing,dis belief,her story tells more about disbelievers than how great her experience was,,,I personally believe +JESUS+GOD+ had Angels there for her benefit & I think it’s Great.

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    • ChildOfTheKing
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 2:53pm

      christos:
      You said it PERFECTLY. Thank you. Those angels were there for her personal benefit, to lift her up as apparently, she was in deep crisis in seeing the wreckage. I think God showed her that a LOT of those who died are NOW WITH THE FATHER and in a better place than on earth. IT PROBABLY AND MOST LIKELY UPLIFTED HER FAITH IN GOD and turn her around in her unbelief 360 degrees.

      Since ONLY God knows the heart, it helped her, but most of us here who are reading all these negative comments are not really surprised. MOST, if not all atheists, can‘t prove there isn’t a God of the universe, so they use whatever silly anecdote or feeble explanation to claim something THEY KNOW NOTHING ABOUT. They are the real hypocrites. These are the people we should be praying for. God loves them too, but He won’t wait around forever for them to FIND OUT WHO GOD REALLY IS. So, all of you can mock these angelic experiences all you want – IT DOES NOT MEAN THEY ARE NOT TRUE. It just means that YOU WERE NOT THERE AND ARE THEREFORE, NOT A WITNESS OR AN AUTHORITY.

      In fact, you are just ANOTHER all-knowing atheist WHO KNOWs ONE LESS THING ABOUT THE UNIVERSE. It sucks to be you.

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    • HappyHaloHousewife
      Posted on July 6, 2012 at 10:42am

      Maybe the mist part is akin to the “Pillar of Light” which is often described in the Bible. Personally, I feel uplifted when people share their testimonies of spiritual occasions that glorify God. She really went out on a limb to tell her story, knowing that she was going to be castigated by unbelievers, atheists, grouchy people, and so on. It was brave of her to share her experience.

      As to the site…I was fortunate enough to be at the memorial at the Pentagon just one day before the 10th anniversary. It literally felt like I was walking on holy ground, which confused me, because it was such a devastating tragedy caused by real evil. Considering now this former FBI agent’s story, and the stories of others who worked at the site, it makes more sense.

      It is a comfort to those who believe in God to think that His children are surrounded by Angels. God won’t interfere in the agency of men, but He will comfort His children, particularly when they will receive that comfort.

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  • EqualJustice
    Posted on July 5, 2012 at 9:28am

    I believe her only because JUST the other day I was at the pool. There were just few white clouds floating by. As I stared up at them, one at at time, I SWEAR each one looked more and more like a woman cuddling a baby! Her head was tilted down looking at the child and she was wearing like a draped veil. It also looked like she had big open wings! It was SO weird that everytime I saw it in the next cloud I would say “WOW” out loud. I was BY MYSELF. After a while, I kept thining I just had a really good imagination until this one bigger cloud rolled in. It looked like what people say Jesus looks like. It was shocking to me. His face was etched in the dark part of the cloud. Then it got really overcast and I went inside. I can still see that last image, though. I thought maybe I was going to die soon or something! I didn’t. lol

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    • havsumtea
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 9:52am

      My husband and myself were walking just at dawn in our little desert town in California years ago, when we both witnessed a figure all in white moving very swiftly and smoothly over the rough chaparral of our little rural neighborhood. It was about 30 yards from us, crossing in front of us. It was moving fast enough it would have to be on a bicycle, but was not. I ran ahead to see more of it, but it moved too fast. We both saw it. Yet, neither of us mentioned it to each other or others for many days. Why, I can’t tell you. Maybe because it was so awesome to have seen. It was my guess this was a recently departed soul (angel if you will) who was hurrying to say goodbye to someone. I don’t believe we were especially selected or “chosen” to see this phenomenon, but rather that we just happened to be there when it went by. I’ll tell you one thing for sure, it made believers of such things out of both of us. And I believe this woman. How is it not possible that the legions of angels she saw were NOT the departed passengers themselves, confused and finding themselves in an unfamiliar setting? Only God knows for sure.

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  • MCDAVE
    Posted on July 5, 2012 at 9:28am

    This article may be a sales promotion for her book, says she waited 2 yrs to tell anyone..I have my doubts

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    • Simon de Montfort
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 10:05am

      Wonder who the publisher is.

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    • LeadNotFollow
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 10:11am

      …
      Angel sightings renew our hope and faith. I think this woman’s timing is perfect.
      With Obama as President, we need an army of Angels right now.

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  • RedNeckMormon
    Posted on July 5, 2012 at 9:22am

    Come on people, Angels don’t have wings, she is either crazy or trying to make money off of the deaths of those patriots on the plane.

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    • RRFlyer
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 9:36am

      True, the wings were added by early artists

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    • LeadNotFollow
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 9:44am

      …
      I do believe that Angels have wings. Many people have seen Angels.
      That would explain why throughout history, drawings and paintings of Angels have almost always had wings.

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    • SquidVetOhio
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 9:53am

      Angels do have wings. Read Isaiah 6:2, Ezekial 1:11, Revelations 4:8, I’ve got more references if you like. They can appear as men but, the Bible is clear that at least some angels have wings.

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    • SquidVetOhio
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 9:54am

      Although I’m skeptical of her story.

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    • walkintruth
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 4:43pm

      Angels in the bible do have wings. There are many types of angels. Seraphim have six wings. (Isaiah 6) They are the most holy angels who serve God and exalt him always. Two wings cover their faces and two cover their feet when they are in the presence of the Lord. His light is so bright. They sing,”Holy, Holy, Holy is the Lord Almighty, the whole earth is full of his glory.” Another angel is the cherubim. They also have wings.

      There are angels that appear in human form as well. They will show up and do a good deed or help someone and then disappear.

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  • NJBarFly
    Posted on July 5, 2012 at 9:21am

    So the angels showed up AFTER the plane crashed? Gee, that’s helpful. Um, thanks god?

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    • LeadNotFollow
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 9:55am

      …
      They showed up afterwards, because Angels escort people to Heaven and to watch over the rescue workers.

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    • The_Doors_Of_Perception
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 10:15am

      Palm to forehead. There are damages to the brain that can make you think a teacup is a car. Neuroscience is cool people…put down the ghost stories and pick up a science book. Reality is so much more interesting.

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    • Pounding_hammer
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 10:32am

      @ LEADNOTFOLLOW

      Since your name is LEADNOTFOLLOW, then I politely request that you lead us all, to where you find your information to support such claims. And if it’s from the Bible, I want EXACT texts to prove your points.
      I’m a Christian, and I like to know exactly where God’s Word tells us that Angels escort people to heaven.

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    • Hova
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 12:07pm

      @Pounding_hammer

      Funny, can you show me one line of scripture where Satan does something morally abhorrent? Because I can point out dozens where God does.

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    • The_Doors_Of_Perception
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 12:57pm

      Haha good point….some guy tried to calculate how many people “God” killed in the bible compared to “Satan”. Pretty funny stuff…maybe “God” was just “Satan” in disguise(since he seems to do that a lot) and these people have been worshipping Satan on accident all these years.

      http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2006/08/who-has-killed-more-satan-or-god.html

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    • Pounding_hammer
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 2:44pm

      @ HOVA

      Thanks for the statements.
      One question though, you mentioned the words “morally abhorrent”.
      But according to who’s definition? Your or my view of “morally abhorrent”? Or God’s?

      God sees “morally abhorrent” as equal to sin. So when someone… anyone… sins, we are “morally abhorrent” before God.
      Who then can stand?
      That is why Christ is love, because without Him, no-one can stand before a God who calls all sin “morally abhorrent.”

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    • Dudley Do-Right
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 7:13pm

      POUNDING_HAMMER

      Luke 16:19-22

      19 ‘There was a rich man who used to dress in purple and fine linen and feast magnificently every day.

      20 And at his gate there used to lie a poor man called Lazarus, covered with sores,

      21 who longed to fill himself with what fell from the rich man’s table. Even dogs came and licked his sores.

      22 Now it happened that the poor man died and was carried away by the angels into Abraham’s embrace. The rich man also died and was buried.

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  • flatdaddio
    Posted on July 5, 2012 at 9:14am

    I believe her.

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  • Jimmy Stewart
    Posted on July 5, 2012 at 9:03am

    If she really saw this, it sounds more like demons than angels. What would angels be doing “guarding” this site? This would be a deception to have people focus on anything else other than the state of their own soul.

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    • Mike777
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 9:11am

      Whats not to say God sent those angels to help all the people that died on that plane?

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    • The_Doors_Of_Perception
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 10:18am

      Maybe they were aliens? Maybe holograms created by the government? Maybe they were angels and demons together playing cards?

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    • Pounding_hammer
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 10:42am

      @ MIKE777

      Help them what? Get to heaven? Where do you get this impression that Angels are some sort of Savior to humans?
      Why can’t you people read the Bible before believing this random non-biblical trash about angels somehow saving people. Angels don’t save, JESUS CHRIST DOES!

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    • SolitudeBliss
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 12:36pm

      @The Doors of Perception Perhaps they were aliens playing cards? Maybe they were people from the next dimension? Maybe they were themselves in a different timeline? The options could be infinite.

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    • The_Doors_Of_Perception
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 12:44pm

      Exactly, thats why you should rely on reason and not faith.

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    • Tigress1
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 12:49pm

      @Poundinghammer, Yes, Jesus saves, but he was awfully busy on 9-11. Maybe he needed assistants?

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    • Pounding_hammer
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 2:27pm

      @ TIGRESS1

      Jesus needs assistance? Not in the Book I read

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  • Dismayed Veteran
    Posted on July 5, 2012 at 8:57am

    Just because you have never seen God doesn’t mean there is no God. Same goes for angels. The why she is looking for is simple. God chose her to see.

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  • MicahJank
    Posted on July 5, 2012 at 8:54am

    What is the point of this story? Her claims cant be verified, we either have to take her word for it or not. While the Bible doesn’t necessarily prohibit this kind of thing happening, I’m not going to blindly believe the words of a fallible human being like her who is capable of lying.

    I wont say it certainly did not happen, but I also wont blindly believe her just because she says so.

    With no disrespect,
    Micah

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    • by faith
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 9:19am

      Both Old and New Testaments speak often of angels. They appeared, for example, to Abraham before visiting Sodom to try to find ten honest men. Jacob wrestled an angel and had a dream in which he saw angels ascending and descending upon a ladder. There was an angel stationed at the gates of Eden as Adam and Eve were cast out. There was the angel of the Annunciation, Gabriel—without whose presence it is difficult to visualize the Incarnation. There was the angel who appeared to John the Baptist’s father, angels who appeared outside the tomb, and angels who appeared to the faithful at the Ascension—not to mention angels who “ministered” to Christ so often in Scripture. These are far too many references to be simple embellishments, with far too much detail.

      A thought to ponder: all of the men who wrote the books of the Bible were men capable of lying.
      The Holy Spirit guided them and The Holy Spirit just might be at work in this woman too.

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    • SquidVetOhio
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 9:49am

      I doubt her story. Methinks she is selling a book. She practices “Spiritualism”. The Bible actually warns against these people. If she did see something supernatural, I’m not sure it was God showing it to her.

      And the Bible was written by falliable men under inspiration of an infalliable God. 1500 years, over 40 authors and they all coincide with eachother? Sorry, that requires too much faith to believe it’s a coincidence.

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    • MicahJank
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 10:16pm

      BY FAITH
      I’m well aware of those examples, the difference is that they are recorded in the Bible-the only source us Christians can accept completely and fully. Thats the difference I’m trying to make. As you probably noticed in my comment, i pointed out that i wont say it ‘certainly did not happen’. But, we need to be careful. Especially in the world we are living in now, people are always looking to make an extra buck or a name for themselves and trust me, they will use Christianity to do it if they need to.
      Thanks for the comment and take care.

      RICHLINK
      To be certain of your claim you would have to be omniscient, that is, you would need to be present in the time that the Bible was being written and be inside the writers minds to know that indeed they weren’t inspired by God to write what they did. The Bible claims to be ‘God breathed’(inspired by Him), a person either accepts that as true or not. Of course we could go on all day about why we believe its true or why we don’t, but I’d rather not get into a heated debate.
      Thanks for the comment though!

      SQUIDVETOHIO
      Its possible that this is all a ploy to get more sells on her book. But again, with a story like this one its just too hard to tell. Thats why I’m choosing to remain impartial, i tend to lean on the skeptic side just because i know how the world can be. Thanks for commenting!

      Micah

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  • Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
    Posted on July 5, 2012 at 8:52am

    Right now I choose to take her at her word. Only God Himself knows for sure.

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    • Jenny Lind
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 9:58am

      Thank you, I agree with what you say. She very clearly had a spiritual experience, she saw what her spiritual experiences in her life had prepared her for, and what she could understand. Why they were there? Heros saving lives by giving their own, traumaticaly, would deserve “ a band of angels coming for to carry me home”. Let he who has eyes to see, see. Just an opinion, perhaps Heavenly father was weeping for the evil on this earth and celebrating special people who fought against evil.

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  • mlimberg
    Posted on July 5, 2012 at 8:50am

    It’s sad t think that there are people who could not have seen the Angles….

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    • Meyvn
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 9:36am

      Indeed. But I suspect those that don’t see is much more common that those that do. Faith and the will of God is paramount in this regard.

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  • FedUpWithLibs
    Posted on July 5, 2012 at 8:49am

    This lady needs a doctor. It would be nice if the angels showed up before the plane crash. They’re not were good at their job.

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    • Gonzo
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 8:55am

      You and I have no idea what their job was. I’m not sure I believe her, but if God sent angels to do something, they’re not going to fail.

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    • Meyvn
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 9:13am

      @FedUpWithLibs: Your ignorance is astounding.

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    • HistoryBuff78
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 9:33am

      Why said they didn’t do their job. Only one flight didn‘t hit it’s target because many people took action. Sometimes all we need is that whisper in the ear or tap on the shoulder to go from average to great.

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    • bravjim
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 10:07am

      I, like others, am not certain as to whether or not I believe her. However, to say they didn’t do their jobs is to assume you know what their jobs were. I for one believe that everything happens for a reason, and God’s reasons may not always make sense, especially to someone who does not have His Spirit to lead them or guide them. I believe that 9/11 was a warning from God for this nation to turn back to God, or experience judgement. Based on what has happened over the past 10 or 11 years has only reinforced this belief. The wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, and even Mexico; the loss of freedom that came with the Patriot Act, (as we see the constitution getting walked all over; Katrina; the housing market collapse; the economic collapse; the debt bubble that continues to grow at unprecedented rates which is going to pop if we do not act; and now the loss of our freedom through Obamacare. When I read the Old Testament, I see these kinds of patterns when the nation of Israel turns away from God, and it always ends with them losing their freedom for not turning back to Him. So is it possible that this lady was able to see God’s angels? Yes, it is possible. However her account makes me wonder because I have never heard of His angels appearing the way she states they appeared, like a mist or something.

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    • RamonPreston
      Posted on July 6, 2012 at 11:08am

      Maybe their job was simply to observe and report. Two angels went to Sodom and Gomorrah to find out if the rumors were true about them. Genesis 18:20-22

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    • bigdaddyt46
      Posted on July 6, 2012 at 11:17am

      God allowed it for his reasons, why? we may never know.

      the Lord works in mysterious ways His wonders to perform.

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  • Tri-ox
    Posted on July 5, 2012 at 8:48am

    Psalm 105:1-4 – Thank God! Pray to Him by name! Tell everyone you meet what He has done! Sing Him songs, belt out hymns, translate His wonders into music! Honor His holy name with Hallelujahs, you who seek God, Live a happy life! Keep your eyes open for God, watch for His works, be alert for signs of His presence.

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    • Meyvn
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 9:24am

      Amen. There is a special reward for those who are actively looking for His return.

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    • LeadNotFollow
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 10:23am

      …
      If Barack Hussein Obama is re-elected on Nov. 6, I sure hope Jesus returns on Nov. 7.

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    • hatchetjob
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 11:53am

      Me too, LEADNOTFOLLOW!!!! Me too!!

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    • ChildOfTheKing
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 2:42pm

      LeadNotFollow:
      I wish that would be so, but I don’t think so. I do believe even the Believers in our Lord Jesus Christ will have to go thru much before His return (I DO believe in the pre-trib rapture) – like separating the chaff from the wheat, so to speak. I do believe that we ARE in the end-times, but I also believe that He will not come for us for a couple more years, maybe 5 at the most, but IT IS CLOSE. There are still some things that have to happen, even though a lot of prophecies have been fulfilled. I do believe that America is falling and that even though we are praying THAT GOD INTERVENE, it is only slowing what the inevitable is. This is why you see NOTHING in the Bible about America. IT IS NOT MENTIONED. I have studied prophecy for over 35 years AND IT JUST ISN’T IN THERE ANYWHERE. America is going to fall and fall hard to evil. We can only push it back for so long if NO ONE IS PRAYING DAILY, EVEN ALL THE TIME, which I do every time the Holy Spirit leads me and lately, that is A LOT! I SO LOVE THIS COUNTRY.

      But, I pray that God my faith stronger, and that He gives me wisdom about what is coming towards us all and that we are ready for it. One thing that MUST happen is that Christians will be mocked and ‘put on notice’. It is beginning to happen already. This is only the tip of the iceberg. STAND FAST TO YOUR FAITH in GOD. It is about to be tested big time in the next 5 years.

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  • Simon de Montfort
    Posted on July 5, 2012 at 8:47am

    Hmmmm, angels have wings? This description could have been taken from a pagan Roman account. At least the angels are off the head of a needle and in a corn field. Question, can more angels fit in a corn field than on the head of a needle?

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    • Stoic one
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 9:09am

      since both are infinity..

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    • Meyvn
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 9:19am

      They take may forms but most usually when dealing with mankind, they take the form of male humans, without wings.

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    • NJBarFly
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 9:24am

      I think she’s seen too much Renaissance artwork.

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  • momrules
    Posted on July 5, 2012 at 8:38am

    I have no reason to doubt this woman’s claim that she saw Angels. God is all powerful and does work in mysterious ways.

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    • Meyvn
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 9:10am

      Not only do I NOT doubt, but I think it’s very likely she saw Angels. We all have a guardian Angel (Matthew 18:10). However, I only know of two Arch Angels, and that is Michael and Satan. There could be more but based on my studies so far, scripture only reveals these two.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tMv-Yr4HC_o#!

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    • by faith
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 9:32am

      Meyvn

      The Sacred Scriptures have revealed the proper names of only three Angels, all of whom belong to the Choir of the Archangels. The names are well known to all, namely: Michael, Gabriel, Raphael.

      Jewish tradition and writing have up to 7. Ancient apocryphal literature of the Old Testament contains several other names of Archangels in addition to the three just mentioned. Like the sources themselves, these other names are spurious. Names like Uriel, Raguel, Sariel, and Jeremiel are not found in the canonical books of Sacred Scripture, but in the apocryphal book of Enoch, fourth book of Esdras, and in rabbinical literature. The Church does not permit proper names of Angels that are not found in the canonical books of the Bible. All such names that were taken from apocryphal writings were rejected under Pope Zachary, in 745. There must have been danger of serious abuses in this regard during that century, because a similar step was taken in a synod held at Aix-la-Chapelle in 789.

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    • Meyvn
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 9:51am

      @by faith: I am aware of those you speak of and I love the book of Enoch, but like I said the Old and New Testaments have so far only revealed two Arch Angels to me. Scripture is not real clear on whether or not Gabriel is an Arch Angel. Also many of those mentioned in Enoch are fallen, and I still am not quite sure if they belong to the Arch Angel class. Arch Angels are exceptional and rare.

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  • Psychosis
    Posted on July 5, 2012 at 8:35am

    nut

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    • Meyvn
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 9:16am

      @Psychosis: I suspect she’s as nuts as you are informed.

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  • SREGN
    Posted on July 5, 2012 at 8:32am

    Now we see things imperfectly, like puzzling reflections in a mirror, but then we will see everything with perfect clarity. All that I know now is partial and incomplete, but then I will know everything completely, just as God now knows me completely.

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  • watashbuddyfriend
    Posted on July 5, 2012 at 8:32am

    As a Christian with a very good understanding of the Bible, and Bible Doctrine, I have no problem with the story!

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    • Simon de Montfort
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 8:50am

      How good is your understanding of the pagan Roman concept of angels?

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    • copatriots
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 8:57am

      Likewise. It would stun us if we could see the war being fought in the unseen world. Daniel 10 comes to mind. I have no doubt there were angels all over the place on 9/11.

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    • javasport
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 9:03am

      Yeah though I believe in angels, I seriously doubt they have actual wings. That is a pagan/misinterpretation of Revelations’ symbolism. She probably saw what she wanted to see.

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    • copatriots
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 9:04am

      @ SIMON

      How “good” is your knowledge of the cherub crafted on the lid of the ark written about in Exodus before Rome existed?

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    • Simon de Montfort
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 9:20am

      @COPATRIOTS

      At least as good as yours. What is your point?

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    • copatriots
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 9:37am

      Um, wings.

      I have no idea what this woman saw or didn’t see for that matter…….nor do you. But the Bible does depict cherubim with wings spread over the ark. If she were indeed blessed to see creatures with wings that she is calling “angels”, it is possible she saw cherubim.

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    • by faith
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 9:38am

      Exod 25:10-22 “And they shall make an ark of acacia wood; two and a half cubits shall be its length, a cubit and a half its width, and a cubit and a half its height. And you shall overlay it with pure gold, inside and out you shall overlay it, and shall make on it a molding of gold all around. … And you shall put into the ark the Testimony which I will give you. … And you shall make two cherubim of gold; of hammered work you shall make them at the two ends of the mercy seat. Make one cherub at one end, and the other cherub at the other end; you shall make the cherubim at the two ends of it of one piece with the mercy seat. And the cherubim shall stretch out their wings above, covering the mercy seat with THEIR WINGS, and they shall face one another; the faces of the cherubim shall be toward the mercy seat.

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    • Simon de Montfort
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 10:00am

      @COPATRIOTS @BY FAITH Now compare the description of the cherubim in Exodus with predated and contemporaneous (pagan) non-Israelite cherubic archaeligical descriptions. The cherubim descriptions are not unique to Israel and the Bible. Point is both are allegorical and hardly actual representations of a real phenomenon.

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    • SquidVetOhio
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 10:05am

      Angels do have wings. Read Isaiah 6:2, Ezekial 1:11, Revelations 4:8, I’ve got more references if you like. They can appear as men but, the Bible is clear that at least some angels have wings.

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    • SquidVetOhio
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 10:07am

      Rev 4:8 Each of the four living creatures (angels) had six wings and was covered with eyes all around, even under his wings. Day and night they never stop saying: “Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God Almighty, who was, and is, and is to come.”

      Isaiah 6:2 Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly.

      Ezekial 1:11 Such were their faces. Their wings were spread out upward; each had two wings, one touching the wing of another creature on either side, and two wings covering its body.

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    • copatriots
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 10:17am

      @ SIMON

      How in the world do you know what is a “real phenomenon”? Just because you haven‘t seen it surely doesn’t mean they don‘t exist in God’s creation. He is God……He can create anything He wants and show His creation to whoever He wants. Your original point was that “angels” don’t have wings. So….do you believe in wingless angels? Have you seen them?

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    • MemphisViking
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 12:16pm

      @ Simon – You don’t believe angels exist. If they don’t, then all the debate about whether they have wings is irrelevant. You seem to be trying to make a point that this woman was influenced by Roman paganism, and you’re completely discounting all of the posted Biblical references to angels with wings. The fact is, if angels don’t exist and she imagined it, then she, as an American, is FAR more likely to have been influenced by the Biblical version of angels than any Roman paganism.

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    • Simon de Montfort
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 12:22pm

      @COPATRIOT my “point” was a question to get people to think. I did not say angels did or did not have wings though you could have made that reference depending on your point of view. The argument that man’s view of angels having wings is better explained by the cross pollination of ideas in ancient times rather than God sending winged angels to Israel and pagan alike. Admittedly I wouldn’t presume to say what God could, would or should do. It is the height arrogance for anyone one to do so. What is an angel but a messenger from God. I have seen a wingless angel and she is my wife!

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    • copatriots
      Posted on July 5, 2012 at 3:47pm

      @ SIMON

      You’re being disingenuous. You were discrediting what this woman described when, in truth, you have no way of knowing what God may have shown her or whether she is making the entire thing up. You certainly have decided and are entitled to your opinion. Personally, I am skeptical of her claim.

      However, your posts did project Roman paganism on her to suit your agenda and denounced her story by suggesting, via your question, that “angels” do not have wings. In that sense, you did limit what God could do and show if He so choose.

      That said, using the Romanesque, modernized meaning of a sweet, considerate person to describe your wife was cute and a nice deflection. :-) Although, that definition has no resemblance to the God-sent angels who are messengers as well as warriors.

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