‘Ex-Gay’ Flyer Stirs Controversy at Maryland High School
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A flyer sent home with some Maryland high school students sparked controversy this week because of its message to teenagers that no one is “born gay.”
The one-page flyer, from a group called “Parents and Friends of Ex-Gays and Gays,” was distributed to students at Albert Einstein High School in Montgomery County, Md. and claimed that each year, “thousands of people with unwanted same-sex attractions make the personal decision to leave a gay identity,” Washington Fox affiliate WTTG-TV reported.
“PFOX,” the flyer said, “promotes diversity for the ex-gay community. Ex-gays demonstrate that those with unwanted same-sex attractions can seek help and information on overcoming their feelings.”
According to WTTG, the letter was sent home in compliance with the school board’s policy on flyer distribution, which says that if a group can prove it is a nonprofit organization, it can distribute flyers to students four times a year.
Karen Yount-Merrell, a clinical social worker, told WTTG she was disturbed when one of the flyers came home with her son.
“I don’t like it,” she told the station. “Everything in this flyer make its sound like the goal is to be [an] ex-gay, [or an ex]-lesbian. It is not embracing of a different orientation. It reiterates a societal view that there‘s something ’wrong‘ with you if you’re not in the norm. If you aren’t heterosexual.”
She continued, “Teenagers have a hard enough time dealing with who they are and feeling good about themselves.”
PFOX board member Peter Sprigg disagreed, saying the flyer is just calling for “tolerance” of a different view on homosexuality.
“If people were to actually read the content of the flyer that we’re distributing, they will see there is nothing in here that is insulting or even critical of homosexuals,” Sprigg told WTTG. “All it is telling kids [is] that you don‘t have to be gay if you don’t want to be.”
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Abraham Young
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 11:14amCommunists and cultural engineers NEED the homosexual issue to blind our minds and harden our hearts, and turn us against morality, virtue, and manliness. That’s why this issue has been pushed by them. It’s a useful idiot situation. Like evolution is promoted despite all the scientific evidence against it. Darwinism is brain dead and deceptive. It’s a con game, a mind control game, promoted for propaganda purposes only.
Report Post »Raif2
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 11:04amAccidentally? Your comments are clearly loaded with serious thoughts and hatred. I don’t care or get offended by someone who makes gay jokes or uses the word ***, it’s when people do it seriously that society has a right to tell you to shut your mouth. If you don’t like it, get all your friends that you consider “normal,” buy a house and never leave it. Like I said, you’ll have your precious security bubble of comfort without those disgusting shameful gays around, and never have to show some human sympathy and understanding for those different from you, how wonderful!
Report Post »robert
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 11:03am“I don’t like it,” she told the station. “Everything in this flyer make its sound like the goal is to be [an] ex-gay, [or an ex]-lesbian. It is not embracing of a different orientation.
Why should anybody “embrace” a mental illness? That’s idiotic to expect that they would. I mean, what person in his right mind wants to be sick?
Radical leftists perverts who like their disgusting illness have twisted the situation around to appear as if they are helpless victims. They are not. They’re no different than an alcoholic or a dope addict. They don’t want to get well, because they like doing what they do, and they then try to convince others, with their lies and deceit, that it’s the way they were born.
Homosexuality is like every other issue on the left. It is obscured with leftst spin and lies. The worst thing about it, however, is that the people afflicted want others to accept them as they are as just an “alternative” lifestyle, because they’re too corrupted to want to change.
The great tragedy here is that corrupt demagogues cater to this small segment of the population in order to get their votes by allowing them to destroy the lives of children by permitting adoptions.
This situation is one of the greatest outrages of all time, and corrective measures should be initiated as soon as possible, which will probably be when the country begins its split into various enclaves.
God pity the poor kids until then.
Report Post »Thevoice
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 10:57amignorance ….More like reality….Really the normal people are sick and tired of accidentally being “Offensive” to your GAY community…Clearly identifying yourselves with a warning label would help.
Report Post »Raif2
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 8:03pmEven Theblaze thought your comment was too stupid and hateful to exist on their site… I had a hearty laugh.
Report Post »ChiefGeorge
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 10:54amI can see this being spun around onto Christians to re-educate them on their feelings for Christ and belief in God almighty. Activism against Satan without Christs help is futile. Involve God directly in this ministry and nothing can touch you.
Report Post »Mahtoska
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 10:53amI think many of us are forgetting what God says about this…He doesn’t call us to be heterosexual or bi-sexual or homosexual; he calls us to be holy – in all aspects of our lives. If what you‘re doing separates you from God it is better to cut off that part of your life then to indulge it as it will keep you from God’s presences. If you’re inclined to same sex attraction, God understands that, but he also requires you to resist it because being perfect and holy, God cannot tolerate sin in his presence. This is the whole reason Jesus was sent to die for our sins. His blood paid the atonement for our fallen natures and it is only through acceptance of him and the pursuit of a holy (not perfect) life that we can be with God forever. This, in now way, excuses violence, hatred or any form of ugliness toward anyone who struggles with this issue. In the end, Jesus said we are to love one another.
Report Post »Directoratasmallbusiness
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 4:18pmI am in the upper 3 percent of the most educated people in the world and a Christian. As a psychologist I know that homosexuality is not a mental disorder. Also, that sexuality is determined at the ages between 5 and 6. The Old Testament talks about homosexuality as a sin but not homosexual love. Jesus never mentions homosexuality ever! I am not sure why people pick and choose certain Bible quotes that later on in the same text commit sin by eating selfish, wear 2 types of clothing, or eat pork. The latter has changed with the times. So, should homosexuality and it is.
Report Post »Let me paraphrase something for you:
Acts 8:37-39 This man happened to be reading the prophet Isaiah. Philip explained to him that the person Isaiah was talking about was Jesus Christ, and this good news moved him to the core. They come up on some water. Now, remember, this is in the desert. There is no water in the desert. Luke, who wrote this, felt this was a “God-thing.” And the eunuch asked Philip “What is to prevent me from being baptized?” It’s an interesting way to phrase the question, but yes, there was something. The law. the fact that he was sexually unfit. But Philip was shaped more by the Spirit than by the law; more by the love of Jesus Christ than the legalism of Moses. And Philip baptized the eunuch and the eunuch went on his way rejoicing.
FYI – a eunuch in those days was a homosexual. Also, the word homosexual was not even a word until 1879.
Straight, gay, bi – ALL BORN T
Raif2
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 4:54pmInteresting, director – mind linking me to research about the age at which sexuality is determined?
Report Post »Dan
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 10:56pmDirector, thank God you’re not a theologian! Eunuch does not mean homosexual, it means that the man was a slave that was castrated so he could serve his master‘s wife without any concern of sexual activity with the master’s wife. The book of Corinthians lists homosexual as a sin and it goes on to say, “such were some of you, but now you are washed, now you are sanctified, now you are justified..” (I Cor. 6:11). The operative phrase there is “such were” – meaning that they are no longer homosexuals. Becoming a child of God means being washed, sanctified, and justified by the blood of Christ’s sacrifice and you become a new creation. Remember Jesus’ admonition to those He healed – “go and sin no more”. You can move on from sin and change your behavior. That’s the genuine power of God. Don’t deny it or downgrade it – you‘re adding to the word of God things that don’t exist and things He didn’t intend. The process of sanctification and the position of justification is what allows you to move forward – being washed is what gives you the new start. May you have ears to hear.
Report Post »Raif2
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 10:42amYour ignorance is astounding. As I’m fond of telling people, get to know others outside of your precious security bubble of comfort.
Report Post »LukeAppling
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 10:29amPolitical correctness still reigns in America so anyone saying homosexuality is not inborn but learned is frowned upon even if many homosexuals were taught by other homosexuals to be a homosexual not that they ran around searching for someone to emulate because of an inner urge towards other men, or, often, boys.The 60′s radical promulgated many such falsehoods to destroy America and rebuild the Soviet Union because that was “true” freedom, here are a few of their lies: abortion, free sex, FDR was a hero, America did bad things , marxism is misunderstood and will be better under us, homosexual “marriage”, OWS slugs, union /politician alliance against the taxpayer, tenure, professor work week of 15 hours with full pay and benefits, constantly rising college costs to fund the professors radical agenda,open marriages, schools raising your children, Public housing, public schools, rigged elections….these people have worked hard to bring down the greatest country God ever created and they will succeed unless we oust Obama and entirely change the school system.
Report Post »BIGGUNS
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 10:20amAmerica spends millions to save so many Species from going to Extinction But yet they wont protect the Human race! ………Yes Gays can be born Gay because we are all born in Sin. I love to lust over woman but because I realize I’m a sinner I choose to control my thoughts than it controlling me. There comes a Time do you want to know TRUTH!
Report Post »janedough1
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 10:32amAMEN! And most people have a same sex attraction during puberty. Your hormones are all revved up with no place to go, and your emotions will light upon almost anyone. Administrators of schools for boys only or girls only knew this, once upon a time. And they knew that if you ignore it, most kids outgrow it. Just because you get a crush on someone of your gender at 12 or 13, it doesn‘t mean you’ll only ever be attracted to the same sex for the rest of your life. Politically correct nonsense also keeps us from asking questions about same sex attractions, such as how often it is caused by abuse by an adult in childhood, such as abuse by the same sex parent leading to an aversion to that gender, or sex with a same sex parent leading you to think that you are gay because they were attracted to you, as if the fault lay in you instead of them. We also aren’t allowed to ask if there might be some underlying mental illness, such as bipolar, leading to the homosexuality. If we are denying people therapy or medical treatment in order to prop up a political agenda, that is horribly self serving.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 11:44am“And most people have a same sex attraction during puberty.”
… uh, no, they don’t. Do you have something you want to tell the class about yourself?
Report Post »SacredHonor1776
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 1:10pmLocked, actually that depends on which government funded study you read, which text books people are forced to read in universities, or which “Go Ask Alice” type editorial people read. Many do actually state that experimentation is very common among puberty… They go on to claim that experimentation doesn’t automatically make some one gay, straight or bisexual… That it is up to these “confused” individuals to decide when they are ready what their own orientation is… What ever they figure out they are, “they were born that way”, it just took time to figure that out…
Report Post »KathleenElsie
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 2:40pmWhen we hit puberty we are going through lots of changes. High School, dating, sports even questioning our religious up bring. Sexual “attraction” could well be an attraction of true “friendship” while going through physical changed. In our modern society sexuality has become the accepted form of friendships. So it should be no surprise that some youth get stuck in adolescent experimentation. Young girls have pajama parties long before they are allowed to make lasting friendships with the opposite sex. Young boys are active in male related activities even longer then the girls.
Report Post »Once the majority of them mature and have a true understanding of their feelings are and if not pushed into a corner they don’t feel they can escape will not become homosexual.
Raif2
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 3:51pmKathleen what do you base that on besides your own imagination? I was emotionally attracted to men, and thought they were cute in an elementary school crush kind of way, in 2nd grade. When puberty came around there was a sexual side to it, just as what happens to heterosexual boys. There was never any corner, and confused friendship, anything to mature out of, my experiences and those of others parallel those of heterosexuals from a young age, just with the same sex. But you have to make such stories so that we can be portrayed as sick and abnormal as possible.
Report Post »Chet Hempstead
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 4:16pmGays living as gays are not going to cause the extinction of our species. Gays pretending to be straight and procreating with members of the opposite sex will ruin the lives of the partners they deceive.
Report Post »donfield
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 10:18amHomosexuality is better associated with alcholism or other addictions. Inside of Christianity or other faiths that say sex outside of marriage is wrong, a homosexual lifestyle is obviously wrong, as is pre-marital sex, orgies, wife swapping, “cheating” on your spouse. If someone’s entire identity is defined by who they are attracted to or enjoy spending time with, that person is emotionally unbalanced. As recently as the 1970′s homosexuality was identified as a mental disorder and was only removed from the books as such to remove the stigma and therefore make treatment for homosexualtiy easier, or so the activists said. If you view homosexuality as an addiction, all of this becomes very clear. In addition, most homosexuals had a negative sexual experience as a child or a horrible relationship with his or her father. The actual percentage of homosexuals in a given poplulation has always been 2%, which by the way is the same percentage statistically for just about any abnormality.
Report Post »jungle J
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 10:06amonly the sane can understand the homosexual hustle.
Report Post »FightThePower
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 10:05amWouldn’t it follow that if homosexuals (don’t forget all the other weird things like transgenders, etc) and that some would choose to come out later in life, that some of the people that perform some of the most horrible crimes are born that way and repressing the urge, and then choosing to come out later in life?
Report Post »BobtheMoron
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 9:58amThe homosexual gene will be found soon. After the discovery there will be few, if any, gay children as all parents will want to abort them as defective. Only the devout Christians who oppose all abortion will allow them to be born. The irony is rich here for gays as the people who say that their behavior is anti-Christian and forbade by the scriptures will be the ones who continue the defective genetic line because of that religion.
Report Post »progressiveslayer
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 10:08amSo many angles Bob,you‘re blowing my mind and it’s too early I need coffee. ;)
Report Post »crazyrightwingmom
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 9:55amNO ONE is born gay…the studies are all bogus and disproved. But no one chooses to be gay. Love them, love them.
Report Post »Raif2
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 9:58amYeah, I chose to be gay before knowing what it was in early elementary school. My lover chose to be gay by living decades of his life trying to cure it through Jesus, heterosexual marriage, and therapy. Sounds legit to me.
Report Post »BobtheMoron
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 10:09amGay is a genetic defect. Since homosexuality does not continue a genetic line it must be a defect. Neither nature nor God allows genetically defective material to go forward. Many miscarriages are due to genetic defects in the fetus. There are some genetically transferable diseases that pose no immediate danger to the fetus that are allowed to continue for years before they kill. These genetic diseases could be cured in one generation, if the carriers did not reproduce. Most genetic defects kill. However, those related to homosexuality are adapted to allow life to continue through the one generation. No wonder so many gays and lesbians are so unhappy. Life ends with them.
Report Post »Raif2
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 10:16am@Bob it doesn’t work that way… a gay man and a lesbian woman will not produce a gay offspring, which is what would happen if it were like any of the genetic defects you are comparing it to. Furthermore, we most certainly can continue life and have children; I intend to!
Report Post »Elena2010
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 9:49amGay or straight, the Lord calls us to live sexually pure lives for our own sake. Celibacy is not the end of the world. Having sexual relations outside marriage is making sex just another ba’al.
Report Post »Raif2
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 9:56amWhat would you know about celibacy? I don’t know about you, but most people feel that a life without mutual love is an extraordinarily empty one and would never entertain the concept. A loving God would rather two people live their lives committed to one another and loving one another, than have each live separately in depression and loneliness. No matter their gender.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 10:21amI can see why you’re agnostic. You have absolutely no understanding of the nature of God. He cares more about your obedience than your happiness. The beauty of it is, when you learn to be obedient, the happiness comes with it. I doubt you’ll ever get that since you have made your sexuality into an idol you worship instead of God.
Report Post »Raif2
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 10:30amI do not worship my sexuality, I simply live it like you do. Obedience and and the sex of two partners in a relationship are petty things man likes to project onto God. He would most certainly be concerned with things like love and happiness, and not what ancient book we subscribe to. Our Supreme Creator does not need our validation, that need is a lowly human trait.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 10:49amRaif anytime you put something above God it is an idol. God clearly doesn’t condone homosexuality yet, you continue to defend and practice it. You have put your sexuality above God and that IS an idol. These aren’t my interpretations, this is the word of God. If you don’t like it, take it up with Him. Good luck with that BTW.
Report Post »Raif2
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 10:59amGonzo, we won‘t come to any agreement because I don’t believe man-written teachings are the exact words of God. I refuse to believe our Supreme Creator is as petty as we as humans are, that he would condemn me for giving someone so much love and caring.
Report Post »qpwillie
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 9:40amI wish someone who is homosexual AND an atheist would give me a scenario where evolution would produce homosexuals. Evolution is based on the survival of the fittest. The “fittest” must REPRODUCE subsequent generations of individuals with the trait that made them the ‘fittest”.
Report Post »Raif2
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 9:49amWell, I’m homosexual and agnostic, but you’re correct in that homosexuality clearly cannot work as a genetic trait the way tallness or eye color do. It still does not mean it is a changeable choice, and it still does not mean that it does not develop before birth or before a child even has any conscious concept of sexuality.
Report Post »crazyrightwingmom
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 9:57amRAIF…no one is born gay…it is just that you remember this for what seems forever. You did not ask for it, but it is a developmental thing….all studies otherwise have been disproved.
Report Post »Raif2
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 10:13amI know, I’m agreeing here that homosexuality clearly cannot work as a normal genetic trait. But that doesn’t make it any more of a choice, as you said it’s probably something that happens in early development (and we’ll never be able to pinpoint those things, considering how people of every background imaginable are homosexual,) or something that takes place in the womb. I mean, it has nothing to do with the morality of homosexual relationships in the first place, but it is such a common misconception that it’s some conscious thought process. As if 7 year old me decided older men were the people he wanted to find most attractive and spend his life with.
Report Post »vrodder
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 9:37amSo why is this news?
Report Post »Locked
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 11:48amIt gets more comments on this site.
Report Post »13axes
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 9:36amok lets play mind challenge.Lets say you build two islands,somewhere off the coast of the US.Build the islands 25 miles apart.One island all gay men,the other island all lesbian women.All islanders have to be 18-21 years old,and stay on the island for life.Give them everything they want.They can each setup their own government,let them establish basic laws,everyone gets free housing,free food,healthcare,drugs…,whatever they want to give them a lifetime of comfort and joy,a utopian dream.Now i believe life would be great for all residence of two islands,for 15-20 years,until the women started reaching the end of child bearing years,i believe panic would ensue,triggering natures laws to take over,and the women,and the men,would both be building rafts,boats ships,tied together milk jugs,any thing to get to the other island,quick before,the inevitable happens and both islands become extinct-nature would answer the question“are you born gay”in one generation
Report Post »Raif2
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 9:44amThe desire for the human race not to end has nothing to do with sexual, romantic, and emotional attraction. You can have sex with a woman and raise a child without feeling an ounce of genuine attraction for her. Furthermore, such outlandish hypothetical situations have nothing with the reality we live in.
Report Post »Fletcher13
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 9:36amSo, should we forbid any criticism of teenage rapists and murderers“ We would not want them to ”feel bad” about themselves!
Strange, but liberals don’t give a hoot in Hades whether their secularism which challenges, questions, discriminates against and ridicules religious faith, Christianity specifically, offends or makes teenage Christians “feel bad” about themselves, their beliefs, their morals!
Protect the sex perverts, but not the morally upright kids! Secular fascism at its blind best!
Report Post »Raif2
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 9:46amA murderer takes away lives, sons, daughters, parents, spouses, friends. A rapist takes away a persons psycho-sexual well-being and sense of security in the world. A homosexual has a relationship with a person. Clearly they should be clumped together.
NHMan
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 10:19amYea, AIDS never anyone
Report Post »NHMan
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 10:19am*killed
Report Post »Raif2
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 10:35amLast I checked, I’m not an AIDS virus. Nor have I received or transmitted said virus.
Report Post »Raif2
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 9:36amThese fliers and the messages in them are what will confuse and hurt these teens. I’ve known my attraction to other men since as early as 2nd grade. We have those elementary school crushes too, you know. I’ve had girls come on to me, but I simply cannot be attracted to their bodies, or develop deep emotional or romantic bonds with them. I know I couldn’t change this about myself, but I haven’t felt the need to try anyway.
My lover did, however. For nearly all of his life. He studied theology, was a priest for years, got married and raised a daughter, and saw therapists, all attempts to cure and make up for the abomination society made him feel he was. Never did any of that change his orientation. I’m sure there are people that can lie to themselves over time, or bisexuals who can strengthen their attraction to the opposite sex, but homosexuality is clearly not a choice and not something that anybody can just get rid of. If it was, how do you explain the lives of so many of his generation (not that this doesn’t still happen,) spent in self-loathing and trying so hard to get rid of their homosexuality? When he came out to his wife, he was nearly driven to suicide because of how much our anti-gay society made him feel like his entire existence was invalidated. All of this took place into his forties, before he even had an experience with another man. Now he’s happy and not lonely for the first time in his life, raised his daughter so well, and a very successful psychol
Report Post »Raif2
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 9:42am(continued) psychologist himself.
Get to know people outside of your comfort bubble before coming to conclusions and judging us. Attraction (and it goes far beyond just sex) is clearly something that develops extremely early and is not something that can be changed. I believe in bisexuals strengthening their attraction to the opposite sex, and I believe in gays playing a game of house, but ex-gays? Not really. I have to wonder how many ex-gay marriages end in divorce or depression compared to the general population.
My lover is the most kind and good man I know, he and others don’t deserve what the conservatives do to make us feel worthless. Stop hurting innocent people who need support and the right to love and be loved without shame or guilt that we all need in life.
Report Post »crazyrightwingmom
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 9:52amSo good for you, I’m glad you are happy.
But many, many people are able to manage their Same Sex feelings and live great lives….is that okay??
Report Post »Are you telling everyone they can’t even try???
Raif2
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 10:05amCertainly not, they‘re free to try if it’s what makes them happy and they’re doing it of their own will and not because of outside pressures. But unless they are bisexual rather than gay to begin with, I believe they are only going to hurt themselves in the long run, and others in their lives especially their families. I also believe they should just come to terms with who they are, but unfortunately we don’t let homosexuals do that much.
My problem is with advertising it as some great solution, as if anyone could just turn around and make themselves straight, and also because of the pressure it places. That pressure is more hurtful than you can imagine.
Report Post »sooner12
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 10:09amRAIF2…….Good post. Unlike you a woman’s body REALLY appeals to me. How do you reconcile that God said “man should not lay with another man”? That is my feeling.
Report Post »Raif2
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 10:26am@Sooner
Bit confused by your post, are you straight or bisexual?
And I don‘t reconcile it because I don’t believe a relationship with God is dependent upon the writings of men or the teachings of organizations run by men. You know when I most feel connected with God? Two things, when I‘m listening to beautiful music and when I’m with my partner. I have trouble believing God would disapprove of any loving and committed relationship among adults; He would be concerned with how happy and caring and giving we are, not the petty concerns that men like to project onto Him.
Report Post »netmail
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 10:27amThe flyer was not intended to threaten you or your feelings if you are comfortable with yourself as you are. No one knows you like you. The flyer is directed to those who may feel conflicted about their sexuality. If that is not you, simply ignore it.
Report Post »Raif2
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 10:38amThe underlying tone is that it is something we should all do.
And my main point was that it could hurt even those who are feeling conflicted. I don’t want them to go through decades of pain or enter a false marriage, when most likely their only chance at happiness is going the other route and trying to accept themselves.
Report Post »netmail
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 11:24amYou are too sensitive. All viewpoints are presented to try to convince people of something. You can choose to feel less threatened and defensive and I bet you’ll be happier for doing it.
Report Post »Raif2
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 11:36amI’m quite secure with myself, it’s others I worry about, especially the young. I see the pain the expressions of certain “harmless” views inflicted upon many people who did not deserve it, and I have no problem with such views becoming socially unacceptable in a similar manner to what has happened to racism.
Report Post »greeneyes1982
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 12:50pm@Raif2
Report Post »You already stated that you are agnostic, so please out of respect to other people here who believe in God, quit trying to justify your actions by using God. If your an agnostic why do you even care what God thinks? or what His people think? If you have not noticed, your argument doesn’t hold water based on the SOLE FACT that you yourself say that you are not a believer.
Raif2
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 1:25pm@ Greeneyes
There are many different interpretations of God even among Christians, let alone the world as a whole. I’m allowed to state what I believe about whatever God may exist, just as you and other Christians like you and different from you are, and it is quite relevant. Last I checked this was not a site about Bible interpretations. I care because I don’t have the certainty of a hard atheist that there is no God, so I must keep in mind a possibility that one exists and ponder about what kind of being He would be and what He would want for us.
Report Post »readytostand
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 3:54pm@Raif2 – You just keep whining about how conservatives make you feel so worthless because your Gay! Quit your ******* and moaning you overly sensitive Pansy!! Maybe take a M-I-D-O-L it might help!! Maybe if you would put some boots on, and zip your pants in the front , you might get a little more respect!!! If you want the Respect of a man, Than ACT like a MAN!!
Report Post »Raif2
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 4:09pmExcuse me? First of all, I’m not even a feminine person, I’m fairly masculine other than the fact that I have an also masculine male partner and depending on how stereotypical you want to be, I enjoy playing and listening to classical music. I don’t feel at all worthless, not by a longshot, but you guys sure try, and lots of innocent people do, though it’s not as bad as the times my partner grew up in. It is unacceptable and society needs to oust beliefs like yours just as we oust beliefs all the time, why don’t YOU man up, take a midol, and live your life happily without worrying about my partner and I loving each other enough to get married by the government and raise a child? Do you not see the pathetic bitchiness in your own post? lmao
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Posted on February 4, 2012 at 4:44pm@gaif2 -You just keep making demands that society has to accept your disgusting perversions..YEA – I hear you whining, but it does not seem to change me knowing , that what you keep trying to force on society, is still a perversion!! Next!!
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Posted on February 4, 2012 at 5:06pmThat’s fine, Ready, there are plenty of much more reasonable understanding people out there, and acceptance will only grow from generation to generation. Just don‘t complain yourself when my demands are met and society at large rightfully tells you you’re the sick one, not me. Your own kids probably will when they grow up, how’s that for a gay agenda?
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Posted on February 4, 2012 at 5:45pm@Raif – Time will tell if some of your predictions about your gay agenda, becoming more acceptable through the generations, are factual ! Yes i would actually agree that the world in general does seem to be becoming more Godless, and Perverse! This world is not of my final home, so I will continue my God given responsibilities to teach my Children, that homosexuality is Perverse, and Immoral, and is a Sin and Abomination in the eyes of there God! How some men justify this immoral act is not my final concern!
Report Post »greeneyes1982
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 5:53pmI am not saying that you don’t have the right to decide what to believe, you have twisted my words. Agnostics have already turned their backs on religion, whether they want to admit it or not, I have known plenty of agnostics in my life to know this. What I am saying is that you cannot try to use God, mine or anybody elses, to justify your actions knowing that those actions are a sin amongst religions and to God. You have also stated that you want respect for you and your partner…well buddy in order to get respect you have to show respect and defamation of God because you cant accept that YOUR actions will not be accepted by God is complete disrespect to Him and His people!
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Posted on February 4, 2012 at 6:17pm@Greeneyes
You misunderstand me too. Each sect, and to a certain extent each family and individual, has their own view of what they think God to be. Obviously I’m not referring to your God of the Bible, or anyone else’s, just my own interpretation of what I believe a higher power would be like. The Bible you follow is someone’s interpretation of what they believe God to be, and the different churches each manage to interpret that interpretation differently. The same follows for every other organized religion in the world, as well as individuals such as my self who don’t deny a higher power and can speculate spiritually. So if you can justify calling me immoral because of your interpretation of a higher power, it is not unfair for me to do the same. I don’t mean to attack your God or anything, but I would be dishonest with you if I didn’t express that I think He seems far too human, arbitrary, and petty.
Report Post »McMutton
Posted on February 5, 2012 at 5:49pmHey, Raif2. I’ve just stopped by to applaud you for being steadfast in your beliefs, even in the face of such horrendous bigotry. You’re awesome!
Report Post »Shane the Golden
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 9:27amIf Gays are not born gay then Heterosexuals are not born heterosexual. You choose to like the other sex? Horse Feathers. You can’t turn someone gay, you can’t turn someone heterosexual. You are what you are. There needs to be MORE critical thinking from us at the Blaze Blog, not narrow mindedness and bigotry.
Report Post »Smokey_Bojangles
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 9:51amThat would explain Pedophiles,Necrophiliacs,Zoophilia,paraphilia,voyeurism Etc.They were all born that way.
Report Post »Baddoggy
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 10:59amNo dumba@@ being gay is a choice. You choose to sin. Period.
Report Post »str8blues
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 9:25amMy niece used to tell me that the “gays” in her high school used to approach people to recruit them.
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Baddoggy
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 9:14amWe choose to sin, we are not born gay any more than we are born murderers. When I hear someone say they were born gay, I ask them if then we should let out all murderers from prison because they were born murderers…They cannot see the connection. They are truly decieved. They have a sickness called…INFLUENCE from others and they spread the influence to others to join their sin.
Report Post »loriann12
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 9:17amYea, and they make it sound like there is something wrong with you if you are heterosexual. They are about 7% of the population? Why are they making it sound normal?
Report Post »progressiveslayer
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 9:37amI used to think that way that gays choose to be gay but my nephew who’s gay told me who would choose to be beaten and harassed constantly? No I think it’s just the encoding in the DNA that determines sexual preference.
Report Post »crazyrightwingmom
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 9:53amLoriann: 3% of the population, many of those living straight lives.
Report Post »netmail
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 11:07amIm not so sure. Far too many adopted children have murdered their adoring parents for no good reason. If not born to kill, born with a predisposition for narcisisim, psychotic behavior and whatever else personality disorders. Some people are not fixable in the end as they choose to let their disorders dictate their existence. I may be using the word “choose” loosely. We can’t really get all the way inside the brain, of say, a pedifile. We just know from experience that the vast majority of pedifiles can not and do not control their urges. When it comes to them, I admit that I could care less about their ability to choose or not. I just want them gone. Them, murderers and rapists. Gays? I feel much less judgemental…more like, live and let live.
Report Post »netmail
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 9:12am“Im gay and I want to be.“ ”Im gay and I don’t want to be.” BOTH are examples of what?? Free Speech.
Report Post »str8blues
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 9:22amyeah……if you’re just saying it….so whats your point?
Report Post »netmail
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 10:19amThe point is that all viewpoints are aired out in this society and people can take them or leave them. People like Bill Maher can get away with being insulting, disrespectful and demeaning and everyone is suppose to suck it up and be amused by his commentary, but libs and gays are generally against this ex-gay flyer?? Give me a break…..there is no comparison between how conservatives and christians are attacked day in, day out and this flyer that simply states a viewpoint. No one has to like or accept it…the choice is theirs.
Report Post »LibzLie
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 9:06amIt will get really interesting when you can tell if your fetus is a homosexual! ****’s against abortion, and some anti-abortion Christians have to think about their stance.
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Will it be okay, as long as it is Gay?
Just asking
Fletcher13
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 9:57pmYou will never be able to tell before birth because it is a choice, it is not genetic. There is no “Gay Gene.” It is a choise to go against nature and live a perverted life.
Hypothetically, if it were ever to be detected before birth, it is a birth defect, and any good liberal abortionist would do the right thing and kill the baby. Hey, if it’s O.K. to kill a healthy normal baby, why not much more justified to kill a defective one? What “good” person would allow a sick defective mamal to suffer such a life?
Report Post »Raif2
Posted on February 4, 2012 at 10:29pmWhatever helps you sleep at night, Fletcher. Tell me though, how many homosexuals do you know? How many have you talked to about their experiences and life stories? I’m happy to sit down and talk to you and let you know whatever you wanted to know, but the ignorant always tend to have deaf ears to anyone not a mirror copy of them.
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