Exclusive: Campus Paper Won‘t Print Horowitz Response to ’Anti-Muslim Bigot’ Charge
- Posted on March 15, 2012 at 10:00pm by
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When David Horowitz, famed pro-Israel and anti-radical Islam activist, spoke at the University of North Carolina, he received a famously chilly reception from the students, including one whose father has ties to the Muslim Brotherhood. But UNC wasn’t done with Horowitz – he was also hammered by no less than three people in the campus paper, the Daily Tar Heel for alleged anti-Muslim feelings.
Horowitz isn’t taking it lying down. In a letter originally sent to (and apparently rejected by) the Daily Tar Heel, obtained exclusively by the Blaze, Horowitz throws down the gauntlet for his critics and challenges them on the idea that speaking out against radical Islam necessarily makes one a bigot:
Bronson BrimChairman Daily Tar Heel BoardUniversity of North CarolinaDear Bronsom,
I am appealing to you as the chairman of the Tar Heel Board to honor the principles of journalistic integrity that are included in the statement of Tar Heel policy. I note that the Tar Heel policy commits the Tar Heel to embracing standard journalistic ethics and to serving opinions that are not generally heard in the UNC community.I have been slandered by three opinion columnists of your paper as anti-Muslim bigot. Your own reporter accurately quoted the statement I made in my speech at UNC two days ago that there are good Muslims as well as bad Muslims. I also said in a passage she didn’t quote that the majority of Muslims are decent, law abiding people who want peace. I made no statements in my speech that could be construed as anti-Muslim. I asked your editor Steven Norton to publish a short letter in which I defended myself. So far I have not heard back from him despite repeated attempts to reach him. Is it your policy to allow people to use your pages to defame others without evidence and have no opportunity to respond and clear their name? Consider that the UNC students who invited me now stand accused on their own campus of inviting a religious bigot. Surely, politics aside, the Tar Heel community should have the decency to recognize when an injustice is being done not only to an invited visitor but to UNC students to correct it.This is my the letter I sent to Steven Norton responding to the slander by Josh Orol and Stephen Mitchell which appeared your paper:Dear Steven,
While the Tar Heel reporter wrote a fair-minded piece about the circumstances surrounding my speech (and I applaud you for that), two op-ed columns and a letter also appeared which misrepresented what I said and defamed me in the process. I would very much appreciate it if you would run the following as a letter to the editor, or preferably as an op-ed column:
Apparently, it is easier for the presidents of campus Hillel and the Muslim Students Association to condemn a defender of Israel than to condemn those who call for the destruction of Israel and America, and the murder of their inhabitants. Hassan Nasrallah, the head of Hizbollah has called for “Death to America” and “Death to Israel” publicly as have Mahmoud Achmadinejad, the president of Iran, Mahmoud al-Zahar, the founder and leader of Hamas and Ahmed Bahar, a lesser known member of Hamas who was chairman of the Gaza Parliament. The spiritual head of the Muslim Brotherhood, Yusef al-Qaradawi has publicly said that the Holocaust was a just punishment for the Jews and wished that the followers of Allah would finish the job that Hitler started. On campuses across America, members of Students for Justice in Palestine and the Muslim Students Association along with assorted leftwing groups have chanted, “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free.” The Jordan River is Israel’s eastern border; the Mediterranean Sea is its border to the west. In other words these students are chanting “Destroy the Jewish state.”
In their Tar Heel columns, the presidents of MSA and Hillel accuse me of being an anti-Muslim bigot. This is a lie exposed by the Tar Heel’s own reporter who quoted me accurately saying in my speech, “There are good Muslims and there are bad Muslims.” I also said that “the majority of Muslims [are]… “decent, law abiding citizens…who want peace.” I then pointed out that there were also good Germans but that in the end they didn’t make “a damn’s worth of difference.” This is a true statement, and no one would accuse me of being anti-German for making it.
Unfortunately, conflating Muslim terrorists with all Muslims is a typical tactic of campus apologists for jihadists who are at war with Israel and the United States. Opponents of the Islamic jihad against the West, like myself, are routinely accused of being “anti-Muslim,” which is a term designed to shut down debate and make opponents of genocidal movements seem the indecent ones — instead of those who make excuses for them. This concerted assault on a civil exchange of ideas does not prevent these same students from forming groups like “The UNC Committee on Israeli-Palestinian Dialogue” whose founder walked out of my speech when it had barely begun.
The closed-minded students – mainly but not exclusively members of MSA – who came not to listen to what I had to say but with the intention of walking out on cue exemplified an attitude that is all too common on campuses today. The intent of these “protests” is to defame a speaker whose views they oppose but cannot answer intellectually.
The Environmental Studies major who joined their walkout and wrote a letter about it to the Tar Heel is apparently hard of hearing. I did not say that Palestinians were descended from red-headed Philistines. I said the geographical term “Palestine” is an appellation that was given by the Romans to the historic homeland of the Jews to humiliate them since it was indeed from derived the word “Philistine,” their historic enemies.
Mahmoud Al-Zahar, the co-founder of Hamas and one of its current leaders has said, “There is no place for you Jews among us, and you have no future among the nations of the world. You are headed for annihilation.” If the Muslim Students Association on this campus does not support Hamas or this statement, its leaders should say so. If the student co-president of campus Hillel is appalled by this statement he should not call someone who is also appalled by it “anti-Muslim.” The majority of Muslims, as I said in my speech, are law-abiding, decent and peaceful people who would (or should) be appalled by it as well.
David Horowitz
For those curious what Horowitz is responding to, this sample from UNC Hillel President Josh Orol’s article should sum it up nicely:
To make the broad claim that Arabs want to kill Jews — and that Islam is a militant religion bent on the destruction of Israel and the United States — is to destroy the principle of pluralism that the freedom of speech is meant to uphold.
Horowitz’s remarks marginalize Muslims and their faith, undermining the respect for minorities that makes possible UNC’s diverse but unified student body.
We will not stand for discriminatory generalizations directed toward any group of students on this campus, especially ones with whom we have such a good relationship. UNC Hillel students stand in public solidarity with the UNC Muslim Student Association and all those whom Horowitz has offended. Hate speech has no place in our community.
Orol has yet to author any pieces condemning the anti-Jewish bigotry of many prominent Arab leaders in the third world. Nor is it clear why the Tar Heel has refused to print Horowitz’s reply.





















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DividedWeFail
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 11:34pmThis is just as bad as the NY Times not running the anti-islam ad after running the anti catholic add below.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/ny-times-refuses-to-run-anti-islam-ad-after-running-anti-catholic-ad/
Report Post »cuinsong
Posted on March 16, 2012 at 1:10amObviously they can’t stand the truth so they wont print it. The pattern of either talking over the truth or refusing to listen to the truth seems to be the new home grown Islamo-commie way! Stupid idiots need to go live in a Muslim country for a few days.
Report Post »I think that would cure this love for diversity, socialism & Muslim idiocy going around. This song is for this kind of stupidity called “Diversity” http://www.reverbnation.com/play_now/song_11826046
smithclar3nc3
Posted on March 16, 2012 at 9:24amOf course they won’t print his response….it’s a liberal indoctrination campus…..a place where the same ideologies are inbred over and over again because no other idea are allowed. Fact is no tax dollars or students with government funded loans should be allowed to go to these places where
Report Post »children are thought what to think not how to think.
Alan
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 11:32pmI’m jumping up and down waving my hand, shouting “Me! Me! I know why they haven‘t run Horowitz’s reply! They’re lefties and terrorists sympathizers.” <– said with smug satisfaction.
Report Post »MammalOne
Posted on March 16, 2012 at 12:33amlol, it doesn’t take a bachelors degree from UNC to figure that one out!
Report Post »VoteRightDammit
Posted on March 16, 2012 at 12:45amWell, judging from UNCs bigotry and hatred, it would take more than a bachelors degree from UNC to count fingers.
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on March 16, 2012 at 12:57amThe Radicals, Socialists, Left, & Liberals… seem to know that they are in a War! When is everyone else going to wake up to the Fact?
Report Post »Chuck Stein
Posted on March 16, 2012 at 2:42amI read the headline and thought “anti Muslim bigot”? Well, that‘s good isn’t it? Aren’t most people against Muslim bigotry.
Report Post »youdidthis
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 11:27pmSuspect in Afghan Attacks Had Brain Inury Been Drinking…
drudge.
wtf,, seems like a ruse.
Report Post »Jmcaul
Posted on March 16, 2012 at 1:15amThe whole thing is suspicious, this guy supposedly snuck off base and managed to murder (shoot, I assume) 16 people without awakening any neighbors??? And then he was able to sneak almost all of the way back to base only getting discovered as he was attempting to re-enter the US military encampment???
Report Post »Did he use a silencer to shoot 16 people undetected in the middle of the night?? how did he do it? The facts don’t add up.
geonj
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 11:27pmcowards
Report Post »Daniel4
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 11:26pmTo me, this is nothing other than an abject failure on the part of UNC properly educate and prepare their students for civil public discourse. If Steven Norton, Josh Orol, Bronson Brim and Stephen Mitchell are representative of the quality of education provided by UNC then the only good thing I can think of to say about UNC is that they have a fairly good basketball program.
Truly sad.
Report Post »KevINtampa
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 11:53pmLOL. Education? There is no education on a college campus, only indoctrination.
It’s funny, students go to college and Freshmen year professors build the students hopes. “You have a bright future and are the future leaders.”
Sophomore year they get, “Here‘s how the real world works and the reason you didn’t know it is because you have been indoctrinated with it since birth.” This gets the students all bent out of shape. “It must be true”, they think, “my parents told I’d learn a lot here, this is what they meant!?” The next thing they think is, “How do I fix this!?”
Junior year they are loaded with the new indoctrination. This is when the liberalism is stuffed into their minds the most. Work loads are at the highest they will be in their college career, and this is where the real liberal professors exist.
Senior year, this year requires the least amount of work load, but the most as far as “think time” and rhetorical thought sharing. This is when large term papers and a thesis statement is required. These papers exist to confirm the indoctrination worked.
But as everyone knows, there is no such thing as a 4 year school anymore. Pre-req‘s and new requirements keep most students their for at least 5 years to get the Bachelor’s degree, and this little trick pays the bankrupt pension plans. But the students don’t learn that. No, they get a job at Starbucks with a heavily over priced degree, and are angry at the banks that funded their new indoctr
Report Post »MammalOne
Posted on March 16, 2012 at 12:14amKevin
Report Post »I think for some majors, primarily those involved in discussing historical/social issues (sociology, political science, history, “ethnic” studies, etc), this is a real problem. But it’s foolish to discredit the concept of a college education as some sort of liberal/socialist/whatever indoctrination.
I have a bachelor’s degree in neuroscience and I certainly was never indoctrinated with any political biases. Science is all about intelligent discourse, skepticism, and empiricism – not trying to discredit people by calling them bigots and walking out on conversations. The same is true with all sciences (biology, geology, physics, chemistry etc.). Also, what about math majors? Writing, psychology, business majors? These people are getting a legitimate education as long as they put the necessary work in.
Furthermore, they’re not doomed to dead end jobs. All of my friends from college, including myself, have found great jobs doing very fulfilling (and often important) work. I think your point is valid to a very limited extent but it is simply foolish to condemn the concept of college as useless. Without college educated people, you wouldn’t be sitting in an air conditioned house typing on a computer to send messages to people across the world ;)
MammalOne
Posted on March 16, 2012 at 12:21am“This is when large term papers and a thesis statement is required. These papers exist to confirm the indoctrination worked.”
LOL, my thesis was on the development of a new method of mapping the borders of the visual cortex using EEG (as opposed to very expensive and time consuming fMRI) which aimed to provide vision researchers with a quick, easy, and simple procedure for localizing the source of their signals (helping solve what is referred to in the literature as the “inverse problem” in EEG-based research).
Report Post »I’ll tell you what, they got me good.
NeoFan
Posted on March 16, 2012 at 2:00amA more accurate term would be madrassas. Where people are taught that they are smarter than everyone else and darkness is better than light.
Report Post »Ever learning and never coming to the knowledge of the truth.
MammalOne
Posted on March 16, 2012 at 2:25amNeo –
Ever learning and never coming to the knowledge of the truth is better than never learning and never coming to the knowledge of the truth.
Report Post »jujubeebee
Posted on March 16, 2012 at 6:36ammammalone’s head is inflated
Report Post »Quiata
Posted on March 16, 2012 at 7:06am@MAMMALONE “Without college educated people, you wouldn’t be sitting in an air conditioned house typing on a computer to send messages to people across the world” Bull****.
Sorry, gotta take issue with that statement. Your air of superiority indicates that you suffer from a bad case of “credentialism”.
Famous college dropouts: Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Mark Zuckerberg, Ted Turner, Ralph Lauren, Howard Hughes, John D. Rockefeller, et al. ==> Real movers & shakers don‘t need no stinkin’ piece of paper.
Others that demonstrated an autodidactic approach to life (i.e. self-taught, NOT college graduates, or no college at all):
Thomas Edison, George Westinghouse, Steven Spielberg, Albert Einstein, John Moses Browning, Wilbur and Orville Wright, Alexander Graham Bell, Richard Branson, Andrew Carnegie, Richard E. Leakey, Ezra Cornell, Michael Dell, Michael Faraday, Abraham Lincoln, Reginald A. Fessenden, Henry Ford, R. Buckminster Fuller, Quentin Tarantino, Chuck Yeager. (And there are SO many more…)
Would you mind having any of these people teaching “college” classes? I’ll bet the guys who delivered and installed your lovely air conditioner have a better grip on reality than you do.
Please note: I have the honor of teaching in academia as well, for the past ten years. It isn’t always “all that and a bag o’ chips.”
Report Post »Quiata
Posted on March 16, 2012 at 7:36am@MAMMALONE I doubt if any of the aforementioned people would have mispronounced “corpsman”.
Report Post »MammalOne
Posted on March 16, 2012 at 10:18amwow, I had not idea there was such antagonism towards learning. Of course not everyone who has done/made great things went to college. The fact is, you wouldn’t have medical science as it exists today without people who went to college. You don’t NEED it – no. Of course not. But even the people who were self-taught taught themselves from materials and research primarily developed by college educated engineers, physicists, and scientists. It doesn’t make anyone superior to anyone else, it’s just a different thing to be an expert at. Some people know a lot more about the electrical infrastructure of our country than I do. Construction workers know a hell of a lot more about structural integrity and how buildings are made than I do. That doesn’t make them elitists – they just have a specialized expertise.
I‘m not trying to act superior or try to argue that I’m smarter than people – I only know a lot about brains. That’s really the extent of my academic training. Sorry to defend education, I’ll be sure to call my doctor an elitist next time he sees me.
Report Post »Quiata
Posted on March 16, 2012 at 11:19am@MAMMA LONE “…antagonism towards learning…” ???
No, just pointing out to someone who demonstrates an overly high opinion of themselves and their “accredited” education that learning IS in fact self-motivated; you give faaaar too much credence to the clerical institution that higher learning is.
Re-read your own statements, you comedian, you. (Maybe a laugh track would help.)
For example: “But even the people who were self-taught taught themselves from materials and research primarily developed by college educated engineers, physicists, and scientists.”
Go back in history, study the part before “brains” were a possible major in college (LOL, if that helps), and you’ll see that yes, we stand on the shoulders of those who preceded us, BUT formalized education has distinct limitations. Too bad they don’t offer courses in “humility” where you attended.
Report Post »ThinkingOutLoud2
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 11:23pmThank you to the Blaze for running a story that will be read by an interested group many times the UNC Chapel Hill student population. Isn’t it funny that because the student newspaper refused to print Mr. Horowitz’s letter that it actually got more people interested in the issue and ultimately far more people to read it. After reading this piece, who wouldn’t agree that Mr. Horowitz was mistreated by UNC Chapel Hill and that the paper is highly biased against him? Good to see the sunshine beat back the darkness. Well played Mr. Horowitz.
Report Post »Itsjusttim
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 11:16pmMammalOne,
Report Post »No there was a point to my statement, and that is that darkness doesn’t like looking at darkness because it is part of that darkness otherwise darkness would fall. And by me saying that I’ve become numb, I’m saying that total utter collapse is coming very soon, and all who dwell in darkness will go to darkness where they belong. And the “Man” is no longer burdened with that heavy load.
MammalOne
Posted on March 16, 2012 at 12:01amRight, we all understand what you’re saying. You’re trying to warn people of impending doom and you feel like no one will listen because they are too afraid or too ingrained with foolishness/darkness to take you seriously. I imagine it’s really frustrating.
I was just pointing out the irony of complaining about people who complain. It’s like kicking over a trash can in a fit of rage while yelling about how you hate when people kick over trash cans. I hope you’re wrong, Tim. If not, no one will say you didn’t try to warn us.
Report Post »edotddot
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 11:07pmThis probably helped Obummer pick his NCAA mens basketball brackets.
Report Post »MammalOne
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 10:59pm“The intent of these “protests” is to defame a speaker whose views they oppose but cannot answer intellectually.”
As a student at UW Madison, I saw this happen before at a Horowitz talk. I confronted some of the students who staged the walk out and told them the exact same thing. I said if they have an intellectual objection, they should stay and discuss it and that walking out does nothing to support the opposing side other than to highlight their inability to rationally dialog.
Report Post »…they called me a “zionist” and said there was “no rationalizing with bigots”
I feel for you, Horowitz. You’re a stronger man than most.
Patriot Z
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 11:33pmexactly, they have no argument except hate. in fact the response you recieved was the most truthful. muslims are bigots by nature and there is no discussion or rationalizing with them. leftists and muslims have found common ground in the fact that they can silence all enemies with no debate by crying “hate speech/racism” and either the scools are in cohoots or are so scared of loosing govt funding that they will bend over for the real bigots and racists.
Report Post »Dstarr55
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 11:34pmMammal, That is the thing I find most disturbing on our college campuses – the inability of people with opposing views to actually debate. Instead we have those that will shout down the speaker, attack the speaker (throwing pies and glitter), walk out on the speaker or not even allow the speaker on the campus. These tactics are meant to marginalize those they oppose, to make them seem like extremists. I agree with you the reason they do this is they know they do not have the facts (or intelligence) to support their position and would lose in a debate. The sad part is this same college would more than likely have no problem having the head of Hezbollah on the campus and would probably give a standing ovation to someone like Ahmadinejad. Both have called for the Death of America – it seems hating your country and embracing those calling for you death has become popular on college campuses. These are the same people who believe they are so tolerant and enlightened – how delusional is that?
Report Post »MammalOne
Posted on March 16, 2012 at 12:31amDstar -
Report Post »I think that’s true to an extent. Although, now that I’m a faculty member in a neuroscience department, I have to say (at least in the sciences) we do nothing but rationally debate theories in an educated and civil fashion. No one would take you seriously as an intellectual if you called someone a name and stormed out of their talk. Debates might get heated but they’re always based on educated skepticism and understanding. I have never once seen a scientific argument come close to a walk out or pie-throwing. Not once.
Of course, anyone who studies history or social focused topics (sociology, political science, history, etc.) is not really an intellectual to begin with.
jujubeebee
Posted on March 16, 2012 at 6:40amMammalone reminds me of “Judy” on the “Leave it to Beaver” show.
Report Post »Put a sock in it.
Quiata
Posted on March 16, 2012 at 7:28am@MAMMALONE “Of course, anyone who studies history or social focused topics (sociology, political science, history, etc.) is not really an intellectual to begin with.”
Way to go.
I personally know many PhDs in engineering (yeah, the people who take lots of Calculus and who study really really really tiny things) who lack social skills, common sense, empathy, and kindness. Are ALL hard science people like this? Heck no. But for you to sit there in your “air-conditioned room” lambasting people based on their area of study (really? History?) as “non-intellectual” is foolish on your part.
Report Post »As an academic, you *should* know better than most that knowledge-seekers often end up studying an area they relish, rather than choosing only what they’re able to do.
MammalOne
Posted on March 16, 2012 at 10:24amWhen I say they’re not “intellectuals”, I was speaking tongue-in-cheek. Jeez, Quiata. Why so serious?
Report Post »Quiata
Posted on March 16, 2012 at 11:23am@MAMMA LONE Sorry, Mamma, but “tongue-in-cheek” doesn‘t convey very well in text the way you’re doing it. Try again.
Report Post »JQCitizen
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 10:54pmTypical Yellow-Bellied Liberals; Can’t take hearing any opinion or facts that would get in the way of the “Truth”, as they see it. I thought a “University” was supposed to expose students to a broad-minded approach to education.
Report Post »What a Joke of an Educational Establishment!
SPOT_OF_TEA
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 10:54pmLeftists demand freedom of speech until they are un charge…Just another example of what happens since they took control of the media….lies are presented as truths and the truth is silenced
Report Post »amerbur
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 10:53pmToo cowardly to listen and debate. Shame on the students.
Report Post »SpeckledPup
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 10:52pmUNC.. one more filthy communist facility that will have to be purged after we Restore America.
Report Post »Abraham Young
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 10:47pmConflating UNC journalists with real journalists is like thinking communists are just nice friendly global citizens.
“We don’t tolerate hate speech!“ ”We HATE it!” If you don’t say what we want you to say, we HATE YOU.
These people think they are so moral and upright, they are just dupes and hypocrites.
Report Post »Mateytwo Barreett
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 10:40pmWhy do i get the feeling North Carolina is getting way too red! I know a couple vets and when politics comes up- they get red in the face!
Report Post »Smokey_Bojangles
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 10:44pmChapel Hill is a leftist Communist area.The rest of the state Christians,well maybe except the Greensboro area and Charlotte.
Report Post »Realist4U
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 10:50pmThe need to get rid of the whole campus and build a Mega-Mosque.
Report Post »Elena2010
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 11:41pmA couple of years back, it was mandatory for incoming freshmen to have read a book extolling the virtues of the Koran. That put some dust in the air.
Report Post »TheObamanation
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 10:37pmAnd now you know one side of the story children …
Report Post »CatB
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 10:45pmYes .. so much for the open debate … just goes to show that colleges and universities are NOT about learning but INDOCTRINATION! Just like the public schools.
Report Post »Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 10:52pmCATB:
Report Post »Do you miss MySacredHonor? Is he still posting here or what? I would like to hear his biting, down to earth remarks on this. (no sarcasm, sincerity.)
HorseCrazy
Posted on March 16, 2012 at 12:50ami do believe in shipping the muslim terrorist sympathizers over to iran so they can have a nice vacation with a one way trip paid for by the usa. would clear out the colleges both staff and students as well as a great deal of leftists in this country. lets see how well the muslims they so love to be blind too treat their gay, non burka wearing, dope smoking, flag burning, whining, feminist attitudes over there. seriously I would love nothing more than a reality show of their faces when they show up in iran or pakistan with their big idiotic ideas
Report Post »TRONINTHEMORNING
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 10:35pmBetween David H and Brigitte Gabriel, these two educate my radio audience and myself every time they come on. These are two truth tellers that progressive, brain-washed idiots would love to silence. Ain’t gonna happen, libs. As for me, I’m booking them both for next week and we will discuss this situation. The truth will always win; just takes time and effort.
Report Post »BLACKDIAMONDSKIER
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 10:34pmUNC and the TAR HEEL……..silencing truth and defending evil. BRAVO. Don’t you love it that these dopes have been given the charge of educating our children.
Report Post »BLACKDIAMONDSKIER
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 10:43pm. Should be ?
Report Post »Realist4U
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 10:54pmYes! These little Commies were well indoctrinated. We can only sit back and wait for their “aha!“ moment when they realize that they were responsible for ”their thing being in their place.”
Report Post »plastinoid
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 10:28pmWhat UNC needs is a good old fashioned protest!…….. next time they have a progressive or terrorist come to speak, we should show up and use there tactics against THEM…….shut the whole thing down, and not let them speak. maybe bring some pies like they often do ;)
Report Post »MammalOne
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 11:03pmWhat would that prove? That you’re just as incapable of intellectually discussing a topic as they are?
In America, we don’t try to shut down people we disagree with – we discuss and debate our opinions in a public forum. It’s why free speech is the first amendment. If someone says something I disagree with, I don’t throw a pie in their face – that’s what clowns do.
Report Post »Patriot Z
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 11:39pmmam: yes and no…i understand what you are saying. but unfortunatly this isnt a board game and cheaters do win. we cant expect to rationalize with bigots who have no argument to begin with. is it the ‘nice’ option…nope. but sometimes you gotta fight fire with fire. we must take control by any means. we need to be as forceful with the truth as they are with their lies or we will never win.
Report Post »MammalOne
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 11:56pmPatriot
Report Post »I understand the sentiment and I agree that we can‘t just roll over and die but this isn’t about “winning” an argument. People who are so set in their ways they‘ll throw a pie in someone’s face is not going to change their opinion. The purpose of remaining civil in a debate like this is to show the people in the crowd who are undecided about the issue who really has something intelligent to offer.
If I walk into a room and two people are arguing – one of them trying to shout the other down and threating him while the other remains calm but keeps bringing up rational arguments – i’m gonna stand with the guy who has something intelligent to offer.
Again, I do understand the appeal of fighting fire with fire, but this isn’t war, it’s a dialog. It may feel like they “won” the argument by walking out but the fact is there was no game to begin with.
Quiata
Posted on March 16, 2012 at 6:34am@MAMMALONE Hate to remind you of this, but spring break is JUST about over…. ;-)
Report Post »jujubeebee
Posted on March 16, 2012 at 6:43amMammalone is such an intellectual, isn’t she?
Report Post »WOW!!!!!!!!!!! Are we all impressed yet???????????
MammalOne
Posted on March 16, 2012 at 10:21amQuiata –
What are you talking about? I work, I don’t have a spring break.
Jujubeebee -
Report Post »do you have anything to add to the conversation or are you just sticking your tongue out at people and scurrying away?
cemerius
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 10:21pmhaha Radical-Muslim is NOW gonna be the “R” word? Fluke them may they be buried with a pig carcass and bacon shoved down their throats!! I guess that makes me “anti-muslim”??? Colleges need a cleansing and reprogramming!!!
Report Post »plastinoid
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 10:30pmWhy Yes………….Yes they do!
Report Post »Baja
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 10:18pmHorowitz is a good man who truly loves this country. Him taking high profile shots from the radical left exposes them for the American hating cheese Richards they are.
Report Post »Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 10:30pmThey also suffer from Buttocks Craniousus disease. But hey, they believe in free speech, as long as they can censor it. You are free to say it, and they are free to cut your bullocks off. I guess as long as we are all “Free”. And a side note, that freedom will cost you $20,000 a year.
Report Post »Itsjusttim
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 10:18pmI’m so tired of people complaining about everything under the sun. The world and the universe is so much larger than their trivial problems. Riddle me this: surrounding everywhere is people who are barely getting through life, miserable in their soul because they were beaten by their father, picked on by bullies, molested as a child, etc, etc….wah. How disturbed will they be by complete utter collapse of society?
Report Post »Itsjusttim
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 10:20pmYou’re either going to have to buck-up or you will be completely destroyed.
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Posted on March 15, 2012 at 10:29pmBecause if all those little things make you hot under the collar, then the fire that comes down from Heaven when Society collapses will come down like a blow torch.
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Posted on March 15, 2012 at 10:47pmYou know what really annoys the hell out of me? When I happen to tell a person the things that are coming, and they don’t see it as me doing them a favor, but that they see it as me being disturbed. And they tell me, me, to look on the bright side of things or that I’m just trying to scare them, and I should stop complaining. Because I am light on the inside and I don’t hold onto the darkness, but they do and that‘s why they don’t like looking at dark disturbing things that are going to come. And then not a few minutes later they are complaining about someone eating the last donut, or not getting a 25 cent raise. That annoys the crap out of me. And that‘s why I’m becoming comfortably numb and alleviated of any guilt for the things they will be subjected to when everything fails.
Report Post »Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 10:50pmHey Tim, do you ever notice you seem to be talking to yourself?
Report Post »MammalOne
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 11:05pmTim – are you complaining about people complaining?
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Posted on March 15, 2012 at 11:13pm@MammalOne
It seems Tim, or those who call him Tim, seems to be complaining about those who complain about complainers. If he ever looks in the mirror, it would be anti-matter and matter colliding. Or in the liberal world, it would be like Maher suddenly realizing he is full of it and turning on himself. Poooof.
Ghostbusters: DON’T cross the streams, that would be very bad. Our only chance is to cross the streams. “Wait you said that would be very bad!” It’s that or the Staypuff Man.
Report Post »Elena2010
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 11:54pmThen Tim — do what YOU can do abt the problem. Do you participate in a faith group? Do you support it w/your tithe?
If that does not appeal to you give your tithe to the Salvation Army, Catholic Charities, Habitat for Humanity, World Vision, Heifer International, or other reputable charity. It will make a difference for the ultimate recipient and for you. Find your place and make a difference instead of fussing about it.
Report Post »barber2
Posted on March 16, 2012 at 12:01amITSJUST;…. The Return of Eliasium … Duh….
Report Post »Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
Posted on March 16, 2012 at 12:05amMy choice is Salvation Army. I only contribute to them. And Marions House (Homeless shelter, Colorado springs).
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Posted on March 15, 2012 at 10:12pmHey, let me show you my shock face….”whaaaaaaa?”
Report Post »momprayn
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 10:10pmRead this recently which pertains here – re whether Obama was a Muslim or not – (speaks of worldview pluralism which UNC Pres. & his ilk there obviously believe in):
He is certainly a syncretist, someone who has no problem combining different and often contradictory belief systems. Obama’s not alone in adopting a form of worldview pluralism. These people are not aware that some belief systems have sinister motives and long-term goals to eradicate all worldview competition. Islam is one of those worldviews.
So even if President Obama is not a Muslim, his belief that we can all get along is naïve and dangerous. Appeasing radical Islam will lead to America’s downfall.
http://godfatherpolitics.com/4170/is-it-ok-if-president-barack-obama-is-a-muslim/
Report Post »youdidthis
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 10:38pmbarry is a dam musllimm,
OBAMA the Mussslimm – HIS OWN WORDS
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Abraham Young
Posted on March 15, 2012 at 10:05pmUNC is like Animal Farm. Control the press. Kind of Soviet like isn’t it? All you graduates of UNC, do you like what your alma mater is doing?
Of course we have known that progressives cannot tolerate religion, unless its their own.
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