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Exclusive: Stephen Broden Talks With The Blaze About Relationships, Rights, and Revolution

Above Stephen Broden’s desk at his campaign headquarters in Desoto, TX hangs a painting of a child covered in an American flag. “Have you thought about freedom lately?” the picture asks. Considering the recent controversy surrounding Broden, one could say the answer for him is undoubtedly “yes.”

Broden is the Dallas-area politician and pastor who was quoted by local media as saying that violent revolution is an option that is “on the table,” especially if he and fellow Republicans lose in November. But those comments, he says in an exclusive interview with The Blaze, have been starved of their full context, causing a national backlash that has been painfully echoed by some of his friends.

The controversy started on Thursday when WFAA-TV interviewed the U.S. House candidate in Texas’s 30th district about some past comments. Those remarks included a statement in 2009 regarding the way to go about changing inadequate leaders: “We have a constitutional remedy here, and the framers said if that don’t work — revolution.”

WFAA’s Brad Watson asked Broden if he stood by the remarks, and reported Broden’s response as follows:

Broden said Thursday that revolution, in his view, first comes at the ballot box. But he said violent overthrow is an option.

“Our nation was founded on violence; the option is on the table,” he said. “I don’t think that we should ever remove anything from the table as it relates to our liberties and our freedoms.”

Cue all hell breaking loose. Worlds colliding. Jaws dropping. Arms flailing. Cue Stephen Broden wondering how what he thought he made so clear could be portrayed so poorly.

Broden doesn’t deny he talked about revolution on Thursday. He doesn’t deny he said overthrowing the government is “on the table.” He did, and he still believes it. But he does deny that he said such an option should be considered now, at this time, or in the near future.

What hasn’t been reported are the words he said in addition to the ones that have now become infamous. Words that make it clear he‘s not advocating an imminent government overthrow or an epic November loser’s party that would end in a power struggle.

Words such as “crazy,“ ”absurd,“ and ”outside the scope of reason and logic” to describe the idea that he is calling for such a thing if he loses. Words such as revolution is only an option “under the worst of circumstances,“ is a ”last resort,“ and ”we are not at that point.”

“I think the Declaration of Independence spells out what those circumstances are very clearly,” Broden says in a deep, velvet voice. “That it is when abuse takes place for an extended period … or if there is a despot who is exercising or running roughshod over our liberties and our freedoms and extracting them from us, then we have a right to go beyond just the ballot box — we can go to resistance.”

Multiple times, and in different ways, he says we are not there: “I have never said that we are at the point of having a despot, or having a tyrannical individual who is terminating our rights by terminating our Constitution.”

Rather, what the country is experiencing now is what the Declaration of Independence calls “light and transient causes.” And those, Broden says, are dealt with “through the ballot box.”

“I repeated that over and over again,” Broden says regarding his interview with Watson and WFAA, “absolutely I made it clear. But through his editing you will never see that I said that. You will never see that I said to him ‘we are not at that point;’ that is not the option that we exercise at the front end of what [the Founders] call ‘light and transient causes.’ … You exercise your right at the ballot box.”

Joining the young child as sentries on his wall are the Bush family and an American eagle, watching over him as he makes his case: “I made that clear to Brad [Watson]. But that doesn’t make for exciting television. What makes for exciting television is that Broden says that violence is on the table.”

Broden seems anything but violent. He is well spoken and passionate but gentle. He’s also well versed in the founding documents, and quotes from them frequently when explaining his position.

Despite the recent controversy, that position still includes the option of government overthrow. “It is on the table because the founding fathers put it on the table,” he says, and refers to the Declaration of Independence’s statement that the people have the right to “alter,“ ”abolish,“ or ”throw off” oppressive government. Still, he is quick and careful to quote the document’s caveat: abolishment and overthrow can only ever be considered after a “long train of abuses.”

Still, “If you remove it from the table what other options do we have if in fact we encounter a tyrannical move from an individual or group of people who would rob us of our liberties?”

Throughout the interview, his molasses voice never cracks — as if James Earl Jones had joined you for coffee and broke into frequent, yet relevant, recitations of the Declaration.

Even when talking about how the situation has made him question some of his friendships, he remains calm.

“Some of my friends took at face value what was said about me as opposed to saying, ‘I know him, I will investigate this first before I make any statements about it,” he says amid the books and printed blog posts on his desk. He calls it “surprising” but refuses to name anyone in particular: “I was thrown under the bus and everyone backed up.” He acknowledges later he has heard what Glenn Beck — who has hosted Broden on TV and at events in the past and questioned the pastor’s comments but also their context — has to say, but only second-hand.

According to Broden, he made his overthrow distinction clear to Watson and the Dallas Morning News, which originally endorsed him but withdrew that endorsement Friday. In its un-endorsement, the Morning News said that Broden had “back-tracked” but that the paper couldn’t support him because it questioned his judgment.

“I answered all of their questions as honestly as I could,” Broden says regarding a follow-up meeting with the Morning News’s editorial board on Friday. “I don’t know how they received that, [but] it sounds like they didn’t receive it well at all.”

Later he suggests that his answers to Watson and the Morning News didn’t fit into their version of politically correct, and for that he was villainized. Yet he has no regrets: “I‘m sorry I’m not politically correct here. I think I‘m constitutionally correct and I’m correct as it relates to the principles that are outlaid in the Declaration of Independence.”

According to Broden, neither Brad Watson nor WFAA have reached out to him, but he also has not attempted to contact them. That may be because he is upset about the way the interview was conducted. He paints a picture of the interview as more of set-up or ambush (my words, not his) rather than a meeting. He says he was originally given the impression that he was attending a meeting about his stances on Social Security and entitlement reform. But when he walked into the interview room Watson greeted him with a TV monitor, and then began showing Broden former speeches and issuing “rapid-fire” questions in a combative way.

“It was kind of a contentious conversation with him talking over me,” he says. “I thought he took sort of a Sam Donaldson approach to questioning me,” referring to the longtime ABC news anchor known for his combative tone.

Watson still hasn‘t responded to The Blaze’s requests for comment.

Broden is now trying to put the controversy behind him and focus on the campaign. He likes his chances of beating longtime incumbent Eddie Bernice Johnson. While he says it would be an “upset,” he believes his campaign has been riding a wave of momentum.

“People have had it,” he says of his district’s attitude toward Johnson, who has represented the district for 18 years. Perhaps surprisingly, she’s not attacked his revolution comments.

Broden thinks he’s been successful conveying his message of a better business environment and better education to his potential constituents. And he‘s hoping revolution at the ballot box starts in Texas’s 30th district.

If the outpouring of support he’s received from the public since Thursday is any indication, he may be right.

“I’ve gotten calls from all over the country and here locally as well,” he says. “People have been very, very encouraging and supporting.“ Support has especially poured in from those who have ”read the Declaration.”

“I am just encouraged by how the public has responded,” he explains, carefully enunciating every word. Yet the excitement over support from strangers is quickly overshadowed by a thought that seems to haunt him: “but, again, my friends haven’t said very much.”

As if to change the subject, the American flag-wrapped child looks on: “Have you thought about freedom lately?”

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  • toth3
    Posted on October 24, 2010 at 10:13am

    I still stand by this. As much as I love my country,we are a nation in constant denial. Always refusing to admit that “the Emperor has no clothes”.A lot of the comments here reflects this to be true. Though, like most people, I do not wish for violence, sadly it is sometimes a necessary. (Even Jesus knew there was a time to swing a staff) In terms of America’s founding, when is it time to swing that staff? What I am hearing here, and have heard many, many times before, (10 to 20 years at least) is that we almost all agree that sometimes it feels that a revolutionary uprising is in order and past due,
    to restore America. But no, not today. It’s always in terms of some hypothetical day that never
    comes. (and on some levels, thank God it hasn’t) But when do we as Americans say enough’s, enough? When do we know when that line has been crossed?
    We all hold the Constitution to be sacred, yet we have stood by idle and watched it being changed,
    reinterpeted, and blatantly ingnored by the very same people we elect to uphold it.
    Republican and Democrat! Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise.Yet they say our children can’t pray in school. Or order the removal of a cross on some desert hill.Sounds like prohibiting to me.Congress shall make no law prohibiting the right of the people to peaceably assemble (protest) Yet you have to get a permit from the very same government you’re protesting. We have the Right of Freedom of Speech. Yet they create Hate Speech Laws to stifle what they would deem as hate speech. We have the Right to Bear Arms.
    Yet they say we have to register the guns with them and they regulate how much ammo you buy.
    You can own this kind of gun, but not that kind of gun. We have the Right to form a Militia.
    Yet they they say we are not the Militia, They say each states National Guard is our Militia.
    And who’s in charge of the National Guard? The Government. Were we for NAFTA? No. Yet they passed it, because the rich fatcats that control them (Republican and Democrat) could make more money by paying lower wages over seas. I remember Clinton saying that the days of working a job for 20 years and retiring with a pension and a gold watch were over. Did you vote for that? Did you vote for our soldiers to take orders from U.N. commanders and other foreign bodies? Did you vote for the U.N. to be in charge of our National Parks? I didn’t. People were overwhelmingly against the Heathcare bill, yet they passed it. Arizona tried to fight the immigrations problem, and the federal government stopped them. Even though the American people supported Arizona. And let’s not forget the Patriot Act, which basicly threw our Constitution in the mud. That gave the police the right to call anything suspicion, or reasonable cause. Stating your side of the story to a cop can get you a “ resisting arrest” charge. I can bring up Bush’s attack on Iraq, Clinton’s secret deals with China, Woodrow Wilson’s Progressive high jacking, (not to mention Obama) Vietnam, the Federal Reserve not being Federal at all, The IRS and the over taxation of everything, (you need more money? create a new tax, or make something that used to be legal, illegal.Like helmet laws or seat belt laws) Mega-rich fatcats like George Soros and David Rockefeller are the real bosses and people like them. It doesn’t matter if you vote Dems or Repubs. Our vote means nothing to these powerful people that hide in the shadows. And by the way, I don’t recall voting to be part of any Global Village or any New World Order. Did you vote for a North American Union that’s coming, between America,Canada, and Mexico. I didn’t. That‘s why they don’t want the borders closed. Some of the things that Clinton, Bush,and Obama have done and have gone along with, is down right impeachable and treasonous. We say the media is only the mouth of propaganda for the government, yet they’re all still broadcasting and printing. We’re all guilty of the same old lethargic, do nothing,complain about everything behavor. Do you think quoting Benjamin Franklin or Thomas Jefferson bothers Soros, Rockefeller, or the U.N. I think it was David Rockefeller who said (I could be wrong, but I know it was some rich *******) ” Give me control of a nations money system, and I care not who governs it” That’s how America is being run now. And has been for a long time. So I ask you. With all this being said and much more that I could have mentioned.
    In terms of Revolution, IF NOT NOW…..WHEN?
    God bless all of you.

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    • Conservative Grinch
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 11:05am

      The liberals will break down into anarchy and destroy themselves. Major Cities will most likely burn as a result of liberalism.

      It is up to us to study the Constitution and our founding documents. After the Progressives have destroyed themselves we will be tasked to but the nation together again.

      You can only pit one group against the other for only so long before you have an Explosive Volatile mixture. One ethnic group against another. Young against old. As soon as this depression hits in it’s entirety things are going to explode.

      The Democrats’ minions will turn on each other and on their foolish masters. You don’t play with gasoline and matches thinking you are not going to get burned.

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    • Contrarianthinker
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 12:02pm

      I HAVE said this many,many times for the past year but have never had an answer let alone a serious in depth dialogue.

      WHERE IS THE LINE TO BE DRAWN THAT IF STEPPED OVER BY THE FACSISTS WE WILL RESPOND WITH DEFENSIVE, ORGANIZED GUERILLA ACTION? If we can’t agree on that and act in untiy, our Constitutional Republic will be dead.

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    • Contrarianthinker
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 12:14pm

      HERE IS THE LINE IN THE SSAND I SUGGEST. IF THE FASCISTS EVER (1) COME TO CONFISCATE OUR GUNS AND/OR (2) START PLACING pTARIOTS IN REEDUCATION CAMPS. THAT IMO IS A DECLARATION OF WAR GIVING US THE PERFECT RIGHT TO USE DEFENSIVE GUERILLA FORCE UNTIL WE TAKE BACK OUR Constitutional Republic.

      I would say that this guerilla force of 7-9 people in thousands groups and places across the USA needs to be done before mid 2011.

      What are the issues that you say would be the line ones? Let’s get an dialogue going.

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    • SCBubba
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 4:18pm

      Your a person after my on heart! Well said and well written and will be adding your comment to my list of great thinkers, which there aren’t many. Only thing I can add to this is Ronald Regan, yes a good president who tried his best, but still compromised with the elites. He gave that amnesty in the mid 80′s I told my wife he was opening a can of worms, as it was touted as a one time deal. Look where that one item has gotten us today on illegal aliens, Lincoln was the first to really gut the Constitution and it has been down hill ever since. Lincoln made Hamilton very proud and if he could’ve sat up in his grave he would have.

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    • koibaby
      Posted on October 25, 2010 at 8:34pm

      Thank you WISE one!

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  • bhelmet
    Posted on October 24, 2010 at 10:09am

    If the Progressives keep control this November, the seeds of oppression will take root. They will again view it as a mandate and push through every bit of their radical agenda. That still does not make it revolution time. We must change ourselves (values and principles) before we can change this great nation. We must first show up at the ballot box in numbers of 80-90% before revolution can even be put on the table. If November is lost, I pray the oppression coming our way will get people back to God and then the ballot box.

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    • patriotatheist
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 10:59am

      God? I will rely upon my friends, family, and neighbors in a heartbeat over some invisible sky-being who doesn’t even have the common decency to reveal himself to us incontrovertibly let alone cover my back physically if push were to come to shove….

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    • kontrarian
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 11:57am

      lol atheist, take a deep breath and quit hyperventilating. Does your obsessive anger stem from some niggling fear concerning this purportedly aloof “sky-being” that you rail against with such venom? Don’t you agree that a little rationality and “live and let live” spirit might be a more “moral”, and even healthy, perspective to strive for? Your fixation on any post that dares mention “God” is both mildly entertaining and repugnant. Lighten up!

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    • bhelmet
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 12:32pm

      Patriotatheist:

      Not believing in God is no reason to to take offense to my post. You may appeal to whatever higher being you believe in – obviously you believe in one. Turning to our friends, neighbors, families, etc is perfectly fine. The fact that we need to fix ourselves does not change. Atheists had a hand in the forming of this country and they can have a hand in taking it back. Atheism is a protected religion under our Constitution and noone is seeking to change that. We can still all unite under our Founder’s vision. As long as we can self-moderate, we can succeed. I will turn to God – you can turn to your sky-god. So long as we hold the same values and principles in common – we will reach the same end.

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    • PeachyinGA
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 4:05pm

      PatriotAtheist, I wish you would reconsider your opinions on God. Turn in a bible to Matthew, Mark, Luke, John and Acts and just read with an open mind. Faith does not translate to “show me!”, but is a ‘childlike faith’, pure hope for an unending future with someone that loves you unconditionally … God.

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    • patriotatheist
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 5:27pm

      lol, kontrarion, glad i provided you a giggle… my day is now komplete.. : )

      and if i replied to every post here that mentioned god i would be one in every three posts… just sayin’… lol…

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    • patriotatheist
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 5:43pm

      bhelmet, i am sorry, i by no means intended you to take offense at my post to yours… I just (albeit in retrospect inelegantly) wanted to encourage you and others to rely solely on ourselves, our friends, and our family in these troubling times… i truly believe that no god will ever save us… we must in the end save ourselves and those around us…. if there is indeed a god he will respect that…

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    • patriotatheist
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 6:13pm

      Peachy, i truly appreciate your sentiments and concern for me… I was a born-again christian for a number of years and have read the bible many times over…

      Unfortunately, it now just holds no more reality for me than some ink on pages of parchment…

      There are no gods, or heaven, or hell… if you can provide me with incontrovertible proof otherwise, i will convert in a nanosecond…

      If i believed in a god i would now tell him to bless you….

      But since i don’t, i can only give you my own…

      Bless You….

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  • AzDebi
    Posted on October 24, 2010 at 10:09am

    “HILLCOUNTRYPATRIOT”…I also agree with you…BUT…I know that Glenn KNOWS the enormous weight he has taken on in LEADING conservative America…HE KNOWS that the Left and BO will use ANY violence to the detriment of us all! How many times has he said, “The Republic will be lost”…he believes it, and so do I…Glenn also TRUSTS us and HE KNOWS that WE will DO WHATEVER IT TAKES if/when it comes to that…he carries A LOT of responsibility and I think 8/28 and the enormity of the crowd drove it home for him…people came from all four corners of this nation AND in spite of economic hardships…I think it humbled him…wait till he reports on the “spooky dude”…we’ll see fire in his belly!

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  • 4jschaefer
    Posted on October 24, 2010 at 10:01am

    My 2 cents. This nation took the right of states to separate from the union (which is a constitutional right) following the Civil War. Yes slaves were “freed” but the entire population was thereby enslaved to the federal government. Yes the Civil War was about more than slavery but that seems to be the only thing focused on these days. Learn history. People have no chance any more to form an armed revolt against a despotic government (which we have had more time than not since the Civil War) even with the second amendment. The threat of armed revolt removed has given our government the ability to do to us whatever they want, including, but not limited to, taking away private property which is our basis of liberty and freedom.

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  • Hoosier Daddy
    Posted on October 24, 2010 at 10:00am

    Stephen Broden is correct. I think the reason Glenn harps on this so much is twofold. He doesn’t want to give the progressives additional ammunition to attack him. Even the slightest nod toward revolution, no matter how justified, would be a cudgel wielded against him. Also, I believe he may have embraced Gandhi’s philosophy a bit too strongly without considering the darker side of the man and his beliefs.

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  • vennoye
    Posted on October 24, 2010 at 9:56am

    This is just one more reminder to all of us that MOST of our media, including newspapers have an agenda!!! And we know that agenda is left and secular—so Stephen Broden being a minister has two targets on his back, rather than just one!!! What WE should learn from this is to get all of the facts on situations before we start making decisions and off the cuff comments. They really needed to demonize him, because Eddie Bernice Johnson has problems that have surfaced–see below:

    Longtime Dallas congresswoman Eddie Bernice Johnson has awarded thousands of dollars in college scholarships to four relatives and a top aide’s two children since 2005, using foundation funds set aside for black lawmakers’ causes.
    The recipients were ineligible under anti-nepotism rules of the Congressional Black Caucus Foundation, which provided the money. And all of the awards violated a foundation requirement that scholarship winners live or study in a caucus member’s district. (This story was in the Dallas Morning News.)

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    • neverending
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 10:56am

      The left always has an agenda and will take any means to use it and glenn certainly knows that or I thought he did.

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  • TerribleTroy
    Posted on October 24, 2010 at 9:56am

    The reaction by many was very illogical in my mind. Revolution is ALWAYS on the table. It is the very foundation of the way we were designed by the founders. To say otherwise is nonsense. To not openly acknowledge it is illogical. I do think many folks should apologize to this candidate. The elites must be reminded occasionally that their behavior can lead to extremely severe reactions. How else could they have achieved a comfort level to pass Obamacare by the methodology used and clearly against the wishes of the majority? How else can they REFUSE to address Border Security & illegal immigration while simultaneously attacking a state for attempting to address the issue? I’m not sure that either party understands the level of discontent with our current situation regarding the behavior of BOTH parties. On one hand I have Socialists and on the other I have Greed driven elitists. The system is broken because we do not have term limits. I think Becks Ghandi like position is partially driven by a self protection motive. I dont criticize him for the position but I think he hasn’t correctly factored that culturally we are not pacifists. Culturally, when we feel “wronged” we are action orientated. Ultimately Broden only spoke the obvious and everything after that is political hyperbole.

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    • paleoconservatarian
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 9:31pm

      Firebrands appeal to the most devoted of the base, not to the independent middle whose approval we seek to win. Broden was foolish for not realizing his words were being elicited to damage him. To stand with a fool is the act of a fool, and Glenn was smart to distance himself from rhetoric laced with violence, however removed the threat, and correct, for history teaches that the side which initiates violence does so from a dearth of options and a position of weakness.

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  • flagbearer
    Posted on October 24, 2010 at 9:54am

    I think Broden was trying to point out that our founding fathers said when a government no longer functions according to the will of the people, it will be time to dissolve it. The question then becomes, at what point does that happen? I personally think the progressives feel that the Tea Party and conservatives will just fade away and they can continue with their plans. The hard decisions and course that we must take to keep America will have dire consequences, and the struggle will be far from over after November, no matter the outcome of the election. Stay strong, patriots, and stay the course.

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  • TexasGranny
    Posted on October 24, 2010 at 9:51am

    Brad Watson pulling this stunt is no surprise – I could watch WFAA8 but don’t because they distort the news instead of reporting it. I usually watch Fox4 if I want local news.

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    • texasred
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 1:43pm

      Right on Granny, WFAA is about as liberal as you can get in Texas. Their reporting takes on a Progressive slant, so Fox local news is always the fair and balanced choice.

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  • Tifn8r
    Posted on October 24, 2010 at 9:45am

    The threat of violent resistance in defence of our rights and libertie is contained in the second amendment. It was put there by the founders for the explicit purpose of giving the citizens the power to constrain an out of control government, and with the faith in the citizenry thatviolence would be the FINAL option after exhausting all others. To take it off the table would be foolish. Anyone who owns a gun is endorsing violent resistance as an option in personal defense. Why is it “radical” to keep it on the table in defense of of our country, constitution, and culture?

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    • enigmaman
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 9:59am

      yes but in this emotionally charged political environment it wasn’t smart of him to say it out loud, which is the only reason Mr Broden is being chastised and shunned by so many, its the reason you never hear the American Government ever say they will use nuclear weapons as an option against an enemy, they say all options are on the table, what that implies is enough without causing an uproar in the rest of the world, can you imagine the resulting headlines and the back lash, Mr Broden now does

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    • Contrarianthinker
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 12:16pm

      ENIG, perhaps you’re right BUT when if ever would it be approriate. After they’ve confiscated our guns and/or placed Patriots in reeducation camps?

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  • enigmaman
    Posted on October 24, 2010 at 9:44am

    If G Beck jumped the gun by responding to an edited version of Brodens interview without reviewing the entire interview then G Beck does owe Mr Broden an apology for acting like Obama who he criticized for calling the Mass police stupid before he had all the facts concerning the incident. No matter his reason to rush to judgment, if after accessing all the facts on this matter G Beck needs to correct his course if so required and if not explain his reason for standing his ground, the left will us this as ammo to hurt G Beck, the Tea party and at this stage of the campaign the momentum cannot shift in any way to the other side

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    • PeachyinGA
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 10:08am

      I fully expect Glenn to correct this Monday morning, again stressing that he does not want to incite people to violence. Your comparison is not really a good one since Obama had lots of aides telling him all of the details surrounding the Mass police incident, then after many hours, he deliberately held a media event to make his rash, but well-planned statement. I was watching Glenn on his streaming radio program when a co-host mentioned Broden and the comment made. It took him a few seconds before he started questioning if it was the Broden he knew and he was totally taken back and said he knew the guy and it didn’t sound like something he would say. Co-hosts insisted that was the statement released and Glenn had to take a stand against what ‘seemed’ to be a blatant call for a revolution. The whole interchange probably took under one minute. Glenn reacted in the only way he could. Don’t forget, watchdogs are sitting nearby ready to snatch him off the airwaves if he had in any way endorsed what they could twist into a ‘call for a revolution and an overthrow’. He’ll make in right in the morning.

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    • Eternal Lucy
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 11:00am

      I think you said this very well, PEACHYINGA! Totally agree.

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    • SummerB
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 11:28am

      You’re 100% correct, peachy. I can’t believe how many here are so willing (& ignorant of what was actually said by Glenn) to throw him under the bus. Wow, talk about turncoats! You really should be ashamed of yourselves.

      Here‘s the link to the 3 radio segments concerning Broden’s revolution comment. Be sure to listen clearly & deeply to ALL 3 of them & hear what exactly it is that Glenn is saying. The issue is not Broden it’s about political violence.

      http://www.theblaze.com/stories/beck-repudiates-brodens-violent-overthrow-comments-what-are-you-thinking/

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    • Contrarianthinker
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 12:18pm

      Summer, I listened before posting anything. Do you think that Glenn had to respond immediately rather than taking a breath, calling Broden for the facts, and then issuing a statement on TV that night? If not, why not?

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    • SunnyInKC
      Posted on October 25, 2010 at 3:13pm

      I was surprised when I heard Glenn say he would denounce the Pastor if he in fact said those words. Glenn, of all people, should know how words can be taken out of context. However, I believe he should have waited until he had the facts before making such a strong statement, especially with the emotion he put into it.

      No one wants revolution, however, it is an absolute last resort. You can’t take a free people and push their backs up to a wall without some kind of response. Cooler heads should prevail and the only battlefield that should be fought on is the battlefield of ideas.

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  • CrackerSmurf
    Posted on October 24, 2010 at 9:43am

    Well, the words hypocrite start to come to mind with GB on this issue. HE himself has said pretty much the exact same thing Broden has said and GB agreed with him on his show about A LOT. Say what you mean mean what you say…Until someone else says it and you cannot financially agree with those statements. When I was a kid I dreamed of being famous but not because of the money… When I was a kid I wanted to be a bird but not because they could fly.

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    • TRUTHSEEKINGAL
      Posted on October 26, 2010 at 3:30am

      Perhaps you realized your childhood dream, didn’t get the wings of flight ,but did get the cranial contents

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  • grandmaof5
    Posted on October 24, 2010 at 9:42am

    Nice try. Blame it on Glenn, not the commentator that took Rev Broden’s words out of context. The left has accused Glenn Beck of being radical for years and for those of us who have listened for years it is a non-issue. It is called truth, sometimes not pleasant, but truth all the same. Unfortunately the media has a vast history of twisting words and taking only the ones that suit them in making their points so rarely can you believe them. “Don’t believe anything you hear and only half of what you see”, VERIFY. As far as the word “Revolution”, a revolution at the ballot box is coming in November and we need to stand shoulder to shoulder and make sure there is no reason for a “Revolution”.

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    • Contrarianthinker
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 12:11pm

      Remember the Ron Paul Revolution? This slogan STARTED the Tea Party Movement. If we let the fascxosys sert the agenda and waht we can say, America is lost.

      GLENN NEEDS TO PUBLICLY APOLOGIZE AND HAVE BRODEN BACK ON HIS TV PROGRAM ASAP.

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    • grandmaof5
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 1:19pm

      Contrarianthinker, agreed. While we are judging Glenn, we haven’t walked a mile in his shoes with death threats to his family and the unrelenting harassment, not to forget, health issues (probably brought about by stress). Few people, if any, have put themselves out there the way he has and probably internalized many things to keep fear from those around him. We could also probably count on one hand the number of times Glenn has been “called out” by his audience for an impulsive response to a situation. When he feels he has wronged someone he apologizes. We will see what happens during Monday’s telecast – give him a chance before we turn into the “left” and crucify him in print. This is not the time to become divided as it will only play into the hands of the enemy – united we stand, divided we fall. God bless America.

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  • Swizzle Stick
    Posted on October 24, 2010 at 9:41am

    IMHO, simply more out of context statements being used for political advantage. Political mud slinging is out of control and disgusts me. It is preventing discussion of the issues which may be advantageous to the democrats. If I recall correctly, Glenn said if Broden is advocating violence, then he could no longer support him. Anti-violence is a consistent theme for GB and helps to set the conditions for people to focus on the issues as well as maintain their credibility. GBA!

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  • PeachyinGA
    Posted on October 24, 2010 at 9:35am

    Sounds like Broden is on the ‘take down’ list because he has affiliated himself with Glenn Beck. That makes Brad Watson a team player because it sounded like he laid a leftist trap hoping for a ‘gotcha’ moment. And through the magic of editing he ‘created’ one. We are now in times where we must question all statements, good or bad, and ask to see the circumstances including full conversations.

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    • Eternal Lucy
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 10:59am

      “Sounds like Broden is on the ‘take down’ list because he has affiliated himself with Glenn Beck.”

      Very astute! (I had asked the question on the other post’s comment section – thanks for putting your finger on it for me!)

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    • docvet
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 1:37pm

      PEACHYINGA: You’ve got a good head on you! I like the way you ask “What is the real point of this?”. Glenn has been accused of trying to incite violence against the current administration and he is scared that someone will see that as a solution to the Obamas, Soros’s, etc. Yeah, he might have jumped the gun, but I heard him on the radio when this was first brought to his attention and if I remember correctly, I think he said something to the effect of “IF Broden said that, I can’t support him”. I might be wrong as I was driving at the time.

      Nevertheless, consider this:
      1. Violent revolutionary change in the U.S. has always been against an outside threat (England and the Confederacy-a seperate country created by succession) to the country. Never by us against us.
      2. If the worst happens and there is an attempt to violently overthrow the current administration, it would lead to an initial dictatorship as someone would have to step in and give orders and run the government. That is a position that would be hard to give up. Who would be the next George Soros?
      3. The world trusts us to handle our governmental changes peacefully and by law. We would be seen as just another third world country and that would scare them because they would feel that if it happened to us, they could be next. That alone makes us the “light of the world” in the eyes of our friends and in the gunsights of our enemies.

      America would never be the same! Glenn sees this and he would hate to think he had a hand in bringing this about. He almost constantly says that peaceful change is the only way to achieve the rebirth of the U.S. It is not critical whether his point is from a religious view or just plain damn common sense.

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    • Mary M. Tebbe
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 5:47pm

      peachyinga, lucy, and docvet: For once three voices of reason! Very good thoughts. Thank you. I appreciate that. You are correct of course. I hope others can see that too.

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  • Conservative Grinch
    Posted on October 24, 2010 at 9:34am

    The following is portion of a vision that Bishop Charles Evans received in 1882. Although I cannot testify of its truthfulness I have quoted it in my letters to my Senators and I believe that it may unfolding today. I think I will advocate non-violence.

    “I looked and beheld that the bands that held society together during the reign of the republic, were snapped asunder. Society had broken loose from all restraints of principle and good conscience. Brotherhood had dissolved. Respect for common rights and even the rights of life and property had fled from the land. I saw faction after faction arise and contend with each other. Political strife was everywhere. Father and son alike contended in these awful feuds. The spirit of deadly hate… passed through the Republic. Blood was written every banner. The spirit of bloodshed appeared to possess every heart.

    “Turning to the person in white I exclaimed, ‘Surely this means the total destruction of our nation.”‘
    “Touching my eyes with his finger, he replied: ‘Look again.’

    “I looked and beheld that many who were angry with the rulers of the Republic, for the subversion of the Constitutional law, and their wholesale plunder of the public moneys, arose and proclaimed themselves the friends of the Constitution in its original form. These looked around for some others to sustain the country’s flag inviolate, pledging themselves and their fortunes and sacred honours to that end.

    “A voice was suddenly heard declaring these words: ‘In the distant mountain tops are to be found the true lovers of freedom and equal rights, a people who have never made war upon each other. Go there, for only there can your lives and property be secure from the spoiler. There alone can the flag you love wave proudly for the protection of all people, irrespective of creed and color.’

    “While thus engaged I cast my eyes to the far west, when suddenly appeared on Ensign Peak, near Salt Lake City, a beautiful flag whereon was written these words: ‘Friends of Human Liberty throughout the world, all hail! We greet you under the flag of freedom, our country’s flag.‘ One shout of ’Welcome’ from the Mountain Sons of Freedom rent the air. I beheld that the multitude wept with joy. The laws were again administered in purity. The people prospered. Tyrants were hurled down. All religious bodies were equally protected before the law. No North, no South, no East, no West, but one unbroken nation whose banner waved for all the world. On this I awoke in tears of joy.”

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    • Contrarianthinker
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 12:33pm

      My brother in Christ, I’m well aware of that Prophecy. The Bishop was NOT a prophet, seer and revelator. I do beleive, however, that he was accurate in most points of his prophecy.

      I’m also aware of a prophecy made by Joseph Smith the founder of the Mormon Church who we Mormons beleive is a prophet, seer and revelator.. Joseph said that the time would come when the Constitution would be hanging as if by a single thread and IF it should be saved, it would be by the ELDERS of Israel.” Glenn is an Elder and has been called by God to be His last days Patrick Henry/Thomas Paine. He has NOT been called to be the last days General George Washington. That man, however, has been called and is sitting in wait for God to command him to lead the Armies of israel to victory. See D+C 105: 26-32. IF you will pray about with an open heart and mind, you will KNOW who it is and after refelction will understand why he was chosen.

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    • Joseph8
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 5:25pm

      you guys seriously need to get out of here. these weird conversations are best kept private between you two. every time you write contrarian you say something so goofy and strange to embarass my faith.

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    • Mary M. Tebbe
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 5:33pm

      conservative grinch: The Bible has a differing view of end time prophecy then does Joseph Smith the founder of the Mormon religion. I’m reading the Book of Mormon and it is nothing but a fairy tale or a good novel. Mistake after mistake are on its pages. We do not need another book other than the Bible to interprete end time prophecy.
      The Bible points to a REGATHERING (a reuniting and restoration) of the WHOLE HOUSE OF ISRAEL in the last days. That cannot happen until we have the truth and the facts that pertain to who and where the 12 tribes of Israel reside today. I have written your true history, but I did not actually write it with my own opinions. God preserved the true history of His people in a way that could never be destroyed, and our brother tribes also left behind their own account of history. When you fully understand that, there will be no question as to whose work is correct…Joseph Smith‘s or God’s. This reminds me again of how God views the Church today which has picked and chosen its beliefs much like a smorgasbord. I have said several times that when God looks down from heaven for His Church, all he sees is a raggedy patchwork quilt of religions sewn haphazardly together. It is man’s attempt to reach towards a god, all the while that God has been reaching down to them. There is just too much in Mormonism that is TOTALLY unscriptural. When we look at Mormonism closely and tear it apart, we find that it also resembles ancient false religions. It is alarming to me that so many people fall for this religion. There is ONE CHURCH that God gave us in the Scripture, and its BLUEPRINTS are in the New Testament. And JESUS CHRIST is its HEAD; not Joseph Smith or any other false leader. It is harsh to say, but it is true. God is looking for A CHURCH without spot or wrinkle; without blemish, and cut from the same cloth. Jesus died for the whole world, and the Bible is God’s Word, written by men of God as they were lead by the Holy Spirit. The one thing that these writers did was verify each other’s writings, because just as God Almighty will not condemn us on one witness, neither will his words bear only one witness. The prophets and the Apostles and writers of the Bible verify each others writings, and they were not even privy to each others writings often times, being in different places and different time periods.
      I have given you your history…it is up to you to want to read it, and decide whether it is true or not. I could give it to you here, but I will not write my book on a blog. And…I would never lead you astray. God preserved your true history, and it pertains to the one nation that God chose (2 Samuel 7: 23 – 24) to call as a people for Himself; Israel.
      I have come to this blog at this time to help you to understand who this progressive enemy is that has now come against you. It is your ancient enemy the Assyrian, who I call the Assyrian/Goth. They have tagged along in history with the descendants of ancient Israel that were scattered and dispersed into the world because they turned away from The God of Israel. Today this enemy, because of yours and my continued sin, has come to rule over us. I’m giving you fair warning, but I cannot make you believe it. It is something that you will have to decide for yourselves. We are days away from voting. We are days away from deciding what we will do as a nation. Will we let this ancient enemy, the Assyrian/Goth of the Swastika that settled and grew among us in East Germany, and that has followed us to America rule over us, or will we DEFEAT them at our ballot box? It is up to you. God has come in the form of a messenger to warn you of this enemy. You must choose for yourself what you will do. This Assyrian/Goth is a Hamite, and its characteristics are RUTHLESS and CRUEL. You saw them during the time of Hitler, and you know what they are capable of doing. I could also tell you where they are in the rest of the world, but I’ll leave that for now. They have inserted themselves into our brother tribes, and they have all but conquered them. Now you must decide if you want them to conquer and rule over you. They play dirty, and are tricksters. They are deceitful, liars, counterfeits, imitators, and pretenders. They walk about as wolves in sheeps clothing, and just like satan, they seek whom they may devour. Is that what you want for yourselves and your children? I don’t think so. Don’t be fooled by their fancy words and their false promises. We have seen plenty of that from the left already. They mean to dismantle your country. Is that what you want?

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    • Joseph8
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 7:35pm

      ok mary, we’ll go ahead and add your interpretation of the Bible to the millions of other different ones. and what gives you the authority to interpret the Bible? At least Joseph Smith claimed authority from God through the proper channel. You’re quick to put down our religion but pretty slow to offer up anything you have. And last i checked, the name of the church was The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-Day Saints, led by Jesus Christ through prophets and apostles. Joseph Smith played the same role as prophets before him. So I‘m curious to hear your argument against people that don’t regard the Bible as the word of God so I can tell you the same thing regarding the Book of Mormon. If you really want to know what the church believes, here you go: http://lds.org/library/display/0,4945,106-1-2-1,FF.html

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    • Conservative Grinch
      Posted on October 25, 2010 at 7:39am

      Joseph8

      I don’t think that I or Contrarianthinker claimed that the vision by Bishop Charles Evans was accepted revaluation or doctrine of the Church. As we all know that revaluation must come through the proper channels to avoid chaos.

      I myself wrote; “Although I cannot testify of its truthfulness”… Which is the truth. I have no personal knowledge of its truthfulness. While Contrarianthinker had wrote “The Bishop was NOT a prophet, seer and revelator.”

      The main reason I included it in my original post is because parts of it seem relevant to the events happening today. I do believe the corruption in our government is leading us down a path to violence and anarchy. There is widespread angry at our rulers for the subversion of the Constitutional Law and the Squandering of Public Monies.

      As a result I feel torn apart. I desire to rise up in anger against our corrupt rulers. It is my natural instinct. While at the same time, I am desperately seeking to find a peaceful path. The two are incompatible. I am war with myself and I am trying to choose what God would have me do.
      The vision Bishop Charles Evans provides me hope that the peaceful path is the best alternative.

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    • Joseph8
      Posted on October 25, 2010 at 9:57am

      I would urge you to look up mosiah 21-24, look at the difference between Limhi and Alma. Talk to your bishop about these things. Look at the early history of the church how the saints were persecuted. What happened every time they would “rise up in anger” as opposed to following the counsel of their leaders? Also study D&C 98:23-46 to see what the Lord has said regarding this exact thing you’re talking about. Search the scriptures for answers. For contrarianthinker, think about this before you post next time: D&C 63:64 -”Remember that that which cometh from above is sacred, and must be spoken with care, and by constraint of the Spirit; and in this there is no condemnation, and ye receive the Spirit through prayer; wherefore, without this there remaineth condemnation.”

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  • gharclerode
    Posted on October 24, 2010 at 9:33am

    I heard Glenn say twice on his raido show he did not believe what was being reported. Glad to get this straight think I will send the good reverend some money. Shame on the Dallas morning news for their lack of understanding of our founding principles. He makes me proud to be a Texan!

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  • BoilitDown
    Posted on October 24, 2010 at 9:31am

    Having researched Broden since his statement, I found that the history I could find on him was not consistent with the way he came off in the interview. I was a little hard on him at first, and should have found out more about him before my own comment. I apologize for that and hope that he is more careful in the future about saying things that could be used in this volitile climate. Their are just too many out on the fringe that will take something like that and run with it.

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  • Big Bob
    Posted on October 24, 2010 at 9:30am

    The threat of it should always be there it is what should keep the morons in Washington in line. The threat of secession should be on the table they are some of the things that are supposed to keep an overreaching government in “check”.

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  • JohnFourteenSix
    Posted on October 24, 2010 at 9:30am

    I hope all the news outlets and commentators that were SO quick to report the original story about Pastor Broden will be just as quick to link to this interview.

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  • LadyIzShy
    Posted on October 24, 2010 at 9:27am

    nice to seethis clariffied. Thank you Blaze

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    • neverending
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 10:52am

      Would be nice to hear something from glenn – guess only silence. I can’t imagine the hurt Pastor Broden must be feeling.

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  • Meyvn
    Posted on October 24, 2010 at 9:26am

    Folks are making way to big of deal of Broden’s comments. Violence has always been an option, always will be, and is implied by our founding fathers and our founding documents. Simply stating the obvious is NO BIG DEAL. Get over it people!

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    • Meyvn
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 9:30am

      and… taking it off the table or pretending like the option never was on the table, robs the public from praise they deserve for showing restraint.

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    • patriotatheist
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 11:08am

      I agree. The big deal is Glenn’s flaccid and embarrassing responce…

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    • Punky
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 11:19am

      Well put. That’s it right there. Thanks, MEYVN.

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    • Meyvn
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 11:20am

      BTW… I am an a-denominational Christian. I just have a hard time “turning the other cheek”.

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    • longhorn mama
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 12:38pm

      Yeah, I wonder why we are not focusing on the fact that his incumbent , Democrat opponent gave Black Caucus scholarships to her family members who did not even live in the district! Eddie Bernice Johnson is no less corrupt than Maxine Waters or Charlie Rangel.

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  • Stuck_in_CA
    Posted on October 24, 2010 at 9:25am

    Exactly WHAT is inaccurate about Broden’s words??? More PC bs from his “critics”.
    …Despite the recent controversy, that position still includes the option of government overthrow. “It is on the table because the founding fathers put it on the table,” he says, and refers to the Declaration of Independence’s statement that the people have the right to “alter,“ ”abolish,“ or ”throw off” oppressive government. Still, he is quick and careful to quote the document’s caveat: abolishment and overthrow can only ever be considered after a “long train of abuses.”

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    • 7.62AirMailComeGetIt
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 1:22pm

      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 12:45pm

      im so sick and tired of this garbage If you do not LOVE AND PLEDGE allegiance to the USA get the F*&K OUT hate the GOOD OLD USA pack your S*&T And LEAVE GET OUT. go to cuba venezula china live that socialist communist life DO NOT try and disgrace or change What this country was founded on.im tired of
      African American = American African (of African descent) AMERICAN FIRST
      Asian American = American Asian (of Asian Descent) AMERICAN FIRST
      Mexican American = American Mexican (of Mexican Descent) AMERICAN FIRST

      My Country doesnt take 2nd place to ANYONE.

      RON PAUL / JESSE VENTURA
      Pres / V.P.

      You all seem to FORGET we won by FORCE

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    • ReligiousAgnosticPatriot
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 1:44pm

      The only actual (true) power the people have against oppression is its violent resistance. BUT obviously not as an early option in the process as the vote still appears to work. I use the term ‘appears to work’, because it may be smoke and mirrors to keep us pacified into thinking we are in control. I tend to think there are bigger players involved than the people we elect.

      So when or how do we know it is time to exercise our ultimate right as a citizen? It is the famed ‘Straw that broke the camel’s back’. I don’t yet know what ‘straw’ would weigh on me enough to bear arms against the government. -Yet- The know the straw exists, and it is that ‘straw’ that slows the Progressives from radical overthrow.

      I do believe that we will see rioting in the larger metro areas by the poor. When this recession becomes a depression and food and basic services become scarce that is where the violence will begin. Most violence has been economically driven and this will probably be no different. I do not think this will be the ‘straw’ for patriotic insurrection, but rather a precursor. For those who have the resources ‘fight or flight’ will be the choice, and usually flight will be the choice as humans typically take the path of least resistance. This creates a new issue as once small population centers have to absorb the flight.

      There will always be those who produce, and those do not (users). Wants become needs, and need become rights. Like the ‘right’ to be cared for by the producers. Producers know they will always have to throw bones to the non-producers to keep them from organizing and taking what they have. The producers also know that eventually the users will become so dissatisfied that they will try to take everything because ‘it is owed to them’. Does this sound familiar? It is a fine balance that has existed since the beginning of time. It has just taken us 200 +/- years to get here.

      In my opinion regardless of how we vote and who we elect, the progressives will continue to push and nudge and we will eventually reach a point that armed revolt will be the only choice to regain our freedom and motivate the users to become producers. Sadly it may be in our lifetimes.

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  • Paul G
    Posted on October 24, 2010 at 9:23am

    I think there’s one man that owes Mr. Broden an apology………Glenn? Are you listening?

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    • CYCLONE
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 9:51am

      Exactly….

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    • neverending
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 10:49am

      I certainly hope so – glenn would be the first one to be all over this. It just was not necessary for glenn to react the way he did!!!

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    • 123gone
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 11:34am

      Perhaps by criticizing GB’s position, we’re doing the same thing to him, we claim he has done to Mr. Broden. Stop and think about it …

      If GB had supported the position that the DMN claimed Mr. Broden had expressed; the left would have GB right where they wanted him…inciting violent overthrow of the US Government.

      It wouldn’t really matter if it were true or not; Instead of attacking Mr. Broden, GB could be fighting to keep his license.

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    • Contrarianthinker
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 11:59am

      Paul, more that an apology. Glenn needs a full show with Broden and the issue of the real purpose of the 2nd Amendment and the absolute right to use defensive force against martial law, taking our guns, and placing patriots in reeducation camps.

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    • 911
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 12:55pm

      Glenn should say sorry to this patriot!!! Glenn?? ARE YOU LISTENING??????

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    • firstHat
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 9:40pm

      1) I heard Glenn on this topic and he repeatedly said “IF” this was what Broden said and if it was not taken out of context then he repudiates him. “If” is not a difficult word. Glenn was asking for an explanation. He also said he knew the man well enough to disbelieve what he was hearing and so he was trying to reach Broden’s office to find out what the story was
      2) I agree with Glenn that just now we need to be VERY careful to keep the peace. We are being taunted so that one break into violence will give them the excuse to use an iron fist. We are no where near that place yet where we should or should need to risk that response. We will simply be walking into a a trap they’ve been setting for a very long time.

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  • Dirty Harry
    Posted on October 24, 2010 at 9:22am

    Mr. Broden has been thrown under the bus by Glenn Beck’s newfound desire to appear nonpartisan.

    Glenn, in recent weeks, is increasingly desperate to deflect the left‘s accusations that he’s a radical.

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    • Dirty Harry
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 9:33am

      Btw, Glenn, that‘s what happened to O’Reilley’s credibility too. At some point along the way he forgot what he stood for and began making ratings his top priority. He rushes to the middle in a shallow attempt to win a coveted interview.

      I‘ve discovered that the secret to O’Reilley’s 10 years of being #1 is no more complicated than the fact that there is nothing else on at that hour. I’ve looked.

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    • gharclerode
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 9:35am

      You are nuts maybe you should listen to Glenn.

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    • tobywil2
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 9:40am

      The “Wannabe Tyrants” will publicize the irrelevant using their “preponderance of the propaganda” to avoid a discussion of the issues. Pay no attention to the smokescreen.

      When your premise is false the only arguments that can be used are fear mongering, emotional arguments, sarcasm, attacking the messenger and misrepresentation of the facts (lying). Those who expect to reap huge profits from our misery caused by government control are experts at these tactics.

      The only relevant issue is freedom or tyranny!!!!

      http://commonsense21c.com/

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    • Stuck_in_CA
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 9:42am

      Sadly, I agree. After all, that was the purpose of the 2nd Amendment, wasn’t it???

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    • Diego Garcia
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 9:42am

      I agree. We have revolutionary rights. You may end up dying trying to exercise them, but they exist. In politics a gentle reminder of that right one would hope would wake up others to behave accordingly.

      Secession is a right that liberals have well established via the United Nations. Look at how Kosovo is no longer a part of Serbia. When the government steals property (Kelo) and tries to compel the purchase of products (Obamacare) you have a government that IS tyrannical. Those are in fact the very behaviors that committed the U.S. to revolt against England.

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    • PA PATRIOT
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 9:43am

      DH (44 Mag)…..You are correct, but what if Glenn did not pursue the virtues of peaceful resistance? I presume that he would not be around to expose the corruption and contempt for the Constitution that he does so perfectly well. I would rather have Mr. Beck enlightening the public rather than out of the public view in his lair. His passion for the truth is irreplaceable. We all have a job to do in this challenge. Mr. Beck is doing fine. Someone else will have to step up and be the next George Washington to muster the troops.

      PA PATRIOT  
    • Dirty Harry
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 9:43am

      I do listen to Glenn, and watch him on FN. Every weekday I do. That’s is how I have noticed the subtle but unmistakable trend in his development of weak knees.

      Well, to be honest, I have begun recently to prefer Neal Bortz to Glenn. Neal still tells it like it is with no regard to what the left is going to think about it. Glenn, on the other hand, walks on eggshells, fearful that the left will accuse him of being radical.

      Newsflash to Glenn Beck: The left are never going to approve of you, so please stop strying to make that happen.

       
    • Dirty Harry
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 9:47am

      Ghlarclerode, why not use some puncuation so we can tell what you’re trying to say?

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    • HillCountryPatriot
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 9:49am

      Unfortunately (and it breaks my heart to say it), I agree.

      I love Glenn, but my wife and I have also noticed Glenn’s slide towards pacifism. I know he is a deeply religious man and I truly respect that, but I have very little room in my heart for those who would destroy this country for my children and their own children. Glenn: Who cares what the other side thinks? Do you not think our Founding Fathers were also on bent knee praying everyday to avoid an armed revolt against the British Empire? Of course they were. Who would ever want war? No one … I sure don’t.

      But it may come to that someday if the tides do not turn … and people should rightly be prepared.

      Frankly, I love all that Glenn has taught us, but I liked him better when he was just a “Sick, Twisted Freak.”

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    • susi
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 9:54am

      I think you are flattering yourself if you think Glenn Beck cares what the left thinks. Is that you George Soros?

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    • snowleopard3200
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 9:58am

      To myself, this incident shows that anyone who is among the candidates does need to be very precise and clear in their statements – say exactly what you mean with no room for the opposition or the Progressive spin-meisters to misunderstand it (even though they still will try.)

      I pray that the current battle with the Progressives does not lead to the need for violence, for if it does then indeed on this Glen is right – for the Republic the damage will be irredemable – however I also do understand that these Progressives need to understand that the final power of the government lies in the hands of the governed (i.e. only the American People can give away or take back the power of the government system)

      That is one of the greatest means given in the constitution, both as an absolute to the citizens of our nation, and as a warning to these would by tyrants inside and out.

      http://www.artinphoenix.com/gallery/grimm (mix art)

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    • flamingliberal
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 10:01am

      Be Careful what you ask for, do you really think a violent revolution would result in any other than America being swarmed by our enemies?
      Destabilize America with your continued inane calls to “Take back America” from the Obama Socialist agenda, put in question the safety of our weapon arsenal, and the WORLD will move on us for the safety of the collective.
      As it stands, America, if a revolution broke out, would become a plutocracy controlled by the likes of the Koch brothers, with the help of the rablerousers of the world, like Beck
      Do you really think that mere citizens would be allowed to ruin the sweet deal the corporations that control the country, currently have?
      They have the money to buy a military, the connections to negotiate with State entities, and the sheer power to stay in control via ANY MEANS REQUIRED.

      Have the people of Russia gotten a better deal?
      NO, but the leaders did JUST FINE
      Neither would we

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    • Nvrforget
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 10:13am

      I believe Beck is still as far right has he ever was, just that now his followers surpassed him in his right leaning and are still accelerating.

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    • GBMBulletsSKNRD
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 10:13am

      Glenn Beck threw no one under the bus… He said if I find these statments to be true he would not stand by this man. And I think the jury is still out on this one……. So shut your pieholes intil we get all of the facts….

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    • patriotatheist
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 10:17am

      Right on, Brother… it is time we left Glenn by the side of the road before he throws us all under the bus like he did Broden…

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    • katy
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 10:28am

      Sadly I agree. Glenn jumped the shark on this one. Made a ‘snap judgment’ based on print media rather than going to the source before making a ‘good judgment’.

      He may come to the same conclusion but this time much better informed.
      Context is everything and patience is also a virtue.

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    • AnotherWay
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 10:36am

      Glenn is first and foremost a Christian. The message of Jesus is “do all things with love.” Gandhi best represents that worldview and was successful in overthrowing British occupation of India through non-violent means. The same can be seen in in recent years in how Mandela threw off tyranny in South Africa.

      Peace and love isn’t pacificism. It is the only way to truly bring about lasting change is through the power of Faith, Hope and Charity. Charity means love in action.

      Violence of any kind is not loving.

      Anger or love. Fear or love. These are ultimately the only choices we ever have.

      “Do all things in a loving way.” 1 Corinthians 16:14

       
    • patriotatheist
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 10:38am

      GBM, Glenn did indeed throw Broden under the bus and he will just as easily you too if it pads his pocketbook sufficiently… “the facts”, as you say, are this…

      Glenn conducted SIX in-depth interviews with Broden on television. Then, after Broden spoke his controversial statement, upon learning of it, Glenn stated on the radio that he “met him four times”…..

      How would *you* feel if a supposed friend and ally distanced themselves from you in such a fashion?

      Glenn has totally lost all honor, trust, and integrity as far as I am concerned…. all of which far outweigh faith, hope and charity… if you do not have the former you cannot in good conscience claim the latter…

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    • neverending
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 10:40am

      No reason to throw him under the bus the way Glenn did – talks about obama and npr doing it and then he does it only worse.

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    • watchmany2k
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 10:44am

      We know what the declaration says.
      This is simply out of context as part of campaign rhetoric.
      I find it a miscalculation for a candidate to invoke it,
      especially when he himself believes the “option” is not necessary now or in the near future.

      I honestly do not recall any candidate mentioning this “option on the table” in any interview, ever.
      While this is a contentious time, and we see an ever increasing disreguard for the constitution
      he is in fact participating in a “first option” remedy. We still have courts, and rule of law.
      It is just bizarre to invoke this particular option at this particular time.

      I haven’t been to Texas, maybe the charged political climate has something to do with it,
      I could see a loud argument for 10th amendment being voiced or plans to
      overturn progressive legislation, but it really is strange to
      think there is a need to remind the electorate of a revolution option.

      Perhaps it just is an honest miscalculation, or he is perhaps better suited to be
      instructing constitutional classes and preaching. Further I do not discount that he was
      baited into telling the obvious to discredit him.

      Is our political climate that much of a tinderbox ?

      I personally believe we can simply throw the bums out by election and
      undo their web of partisan lawmaking, along with criminal charges
      once we get some grown-ups in to audit the money trails.

      Hard to believe he would miscalculate what the words out of his mouth would evoke.

      @dirty harry, you’re funny, ALL conservatives are “radicals” in this lefty PC jungle…

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    • Dirty Harry
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 10:59am

      When y‘all convince yourselves that revolution isn’t a last-ditch option, you lose it as a bargaining chip. The last thing I want is revolution, just like the last thing I want to do is shoot a guy, but if he shows up in my livingroom at 3am, he’s getting shot.

      Telling the socialist left that we could never consider removing them from power by force is giving them a free pass to continue ruining this country.

      I forget which framer it was, but one of them said something to the effect that government needs to fear the citizenry rather than vice versa. We’re getting close to the vice versa.

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    • Dirty Harry
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 11:02am

      “Hard to believe he would miscalculate what the words out of his mouth would evoke.”

      Maybe not. He now has a national platform from which to run his campaign, with a TON of free publicity. He might simply be shrewd. And you might be surprised how many people agree with him in the privacy/safety of the voting booth…

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    • AnotherWay
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 11:05am

      PatriotAtheist–

      As a minister–Broden had an even higher duty to emphasize Jesus’ teachings on love, peace and non-violence. What he said was so alien to the Christian message in terms of his emphasis–that Glenn’s reaction was totally appropriate. It is Broden who has lost credibility in my eyes as a minister. Now if Broden had invoked the words of Jesus or the actions of MLK and Gandhi in response to the question he received–then he would have been answering as a Christian.

      BTW, I believe the message of love first and foremost doesn’t just apply to Christians. It is a universal truth that applies to atheists, agnostics, and people of every faith as well. I would much rather deal with a loving and kind atheist any day–versus a self-righteous, judgment, mean-spirited person who claims to be a “Christian.”

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    • AnotherWay
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 11:10am

      DirtyHarry–Ministers should do everything they can to avoid violence and keep the peace in a community. Their role is to create and maintain a climate that is conducive to the non-violent resolution of conflict.

      Broden’s comments made him sound more like your namesake than a minister :)

      Now Alveda King. That is a minister. She would never have said what Broden said–or said it in the way he said it.

      For Alveda King–love always come first and foremost in everything she says and does.

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    • VegasGuy
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 11:15am

      STUCK_IN_CA, your 2A comment is right on target. The 2A was put into the Constitution so the people have the means to overthrow a tyrannical government. The founding fathers words are very clear on that point. The 2A is not about hunter’s rights.

      Broden’s error was that of a political newbie that has not yet developed the ability to phrase his comments in a benign manner. He could have made the same point by quoting Thomas Jefferson instead. That way it is Jefferson’s words, not his.

      “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”

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    • ThomasUSA
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 11:19am

      I don’t think Glenn is denouncing violence for personal and professional self interests ONLY. What I he has tried to emphasize is that we are in a chess game with the radical socialists / communist / progressives. The one move they NEED us to make ( OR EVEN APPEAR to make) is a physical threat so they can justify THEIR desire to make this about physical confrontation. Violence is not based in reason but in emotion and this is the source of their power: Emotions not Logic and Reason. Because Emotions can be manipulated, but facts can not. This is why you can not debate them.

      Ten they can say “See they are violent gun toting radical religious zealot, bigoted, racist, homophobes ( Yawn ) etc, etc. are out to GET YOU! Fight Them !!!! They can not win on the battle field of ideas because their whole ideology is based on lies, deception, control, abuse of power and all the things they blame US for. They are exposing themselves and their TRUE idology now… People are waking up and when they understand who these people really are, will reject what they stand for. The “fog of revolution” is needed hide their true intent and repulsive face that is shown in the light of truth.

      THIS is why we should keep our focus on facts and reasons and not even talk about violence. It only feeds the enemy’s tactics. Besides, does that fact even need to be discussed? Isn’t the ability to protect one-self through physical violence a part of every living organism on this planet?

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    • snowleopard3200
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 11:22am

      Everyone if you wish to see what violence in America can degenerate quickly into just look over at Greece, France, and Italy at this time. They are burning, and in the case of Italy, one part of it is over the location of a new garbage dump.

      Exercise caution in moderation, or one true nut case from some side will initiate a firestorm that will give the Progressives the final solution they need for martial law, and dissolution of congress, the courts, and all of our civil liberties.

      Use caution in moderation, the country will forever change if this firestorm ignites. And if it comes, then God help us indeed.

      http://www.artinphoenix.com/gallery/grimm (mix art)

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    • BlueCollared
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 11:29am

      @anotherway

      We get the message love your neighbor as you would yourself, but if you keep turning the other cheek, eventually your walking away from everything you believe in.

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    • ron the veteran
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 11:42am

      the second amendment was put in their fo just this reason. its not so we can hunt nor for sport. its to insure our freedoms. THAT WHENEVER ANY FORM OF GOVERNMENT BECOMES DESTRUSTIVE TO THESE ENDS IT IS THE RIHT OF THE PEOPLE TO ALTER OR ABOLISH IT AND INSTITUTE A NEW GOVERNMENT. by whatever means necessary it takes to do it. and yes folks that means by force if thats what it takes.

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    • Dirty Harry
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 11:43am

      Anotherway, Broden is not running for minister, he’s running for Congress. As such, we expect him to follow the Constitution. As much as I wish the Bible were the Operations Manual for Congress, it is not. That is what the Constitution is for.

      The framers of that document provided for a means of keeping a govergment’s power in check. It’s called the Second Amendment and it is a critical clause in our BOR. It’s purpose, just as I and Broden are using it for now, is not the actual use of force, but to remind Congrerss that this option exists. It’s a threat I hope we never have to use, but it’s value as a threat is important. It’s as much a deterrant as prison is for breaking the law.

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    • Contrarianthinker
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 11:48am

      Yes, Glen pulled an Obama. Condemned without knowing the full story. Glenn MUST publicly apologize or he loses a great deal of respect from me. I’ve warned Glenn repeatedly about fearing the world and its attacks. God has promised devine physical protection for he and his family. Also, great fame and wealth.

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    • greggor
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 11:53am

      Hey Harry.. to be fair (and I’m sure that you are trying to be) there ain’t nothing on ANY hour. All the cable and network news shows are nothing more than a means to create wealth. I guess that the country has voted, and Bill does it best.
      I used to watch his show.. and some others on Fox, as well. But I stopped when I got sick of their guests. You can not have a rational, adult discussion, with the likes of Sharpton.. and I’m more than done listening to their screed.
      All said.. I believe your analysis is spot on.

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    • AnotherWay
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 11:56am

      BlueCollared

      Turn the other cheek doesnt mean don’t resist evil. It means, continue to take a stand against evil–but in a loving and non-violent way. In historic terms, you Romans couldnt hit someone with their left hand, so if you made it impossible for them to hit you by turning your cheek–you were preventing violence without being violent yourself.

      Did you know that most countries in Europe did away with slavery without a civil war? Some of the greatest triumps in modern time has been peaceful revolutions that brought down evil–without violence.

      Our models should be South African, India, and the crumbling of the Soviet Union. These victories are all testimony to the power of non-violence. Gandhi told the British–we love you, but get out of our country. And he did not give up on his non-violent resistance until they did.

      I agree with you that we need to be prepared to defend ourselves against violence–and we need to stay strong while being loving. Psychopathic leaders prey on weakness. Just look at Nevil Chamberlain and the appeasement of Hitler.

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    • NewsStalker
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 12:07pm

      Glenn, Glenn , Glenn, by YOUR OWN WORDS on your Fox program you have stated yourself that you believe we are in grave danger as a country, that you think that we have lost the republic. Now, what do you expect? Should we lay down and take it? No way, I say. Freedom comes at a price, it is NOT FREE. I DO NOT want it to come to this, but what choice will be left if this continues? We have won battles in the past for freedom, (Revolutionary war, Civil War, Global WW2 and check your nearest Bible too) you are wrong in your fact checking or is it that you are comfortable in your new found position, $$$. I know that you are on a personal high right now, and I am very happy for your success, but that may soon end to another reality. Your personal wealth would almost certainly diminish. Would you fight for freedom Glenn? If so, when? Most of us do not have near the level of personal worth that you have acquired nor the personal success that has been bestowed unto you , but we are willing to fight against tyranny. I support the reverend, not your opinion on this matter.

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    • NewsStalker
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 12:13pm

      For the enemy is already on our land. Next will be your doorsteps. The enemy is that of those who disagree with our US Constitution. Liberals, Marxist, communists and socialist…look around you pal, your enemy is everywhere. It is now that we must rescue it by whatever means, to keep our freedoms in tact for ourselves and our children. I hope that we can restore America before it comes to that, but let us be honest, look at how the progression has deteriorated our Constitution over the last 100 years…Reality check time…predict the future for what you have seen thus far. It is not difficult to come to realize that we truly are on the brink of losing it all…Only way to restore it to its original format is to defend in what we believe…and unfortunately, freedom does come at a price.

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    • Contrarianthinker
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 12:22pm

      Athiest your last post proves to me that your a plant. One can criticize Glenn as I strongly do but I will never throw Glenn under the bus. I don’t think many here would. We are saddened by Glenn’s acting like Obama before getting the facts. I forgive him hoping this lesson was clearly learned.

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    • Citizen7154
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 12:25pm

      @ HillCountryPatriot

      It took me few moments of consideration to understand Beck’s non-violent approach. The bottom line of it is that the founding fathers resorted to violence, but that they did so while having a purity of intent and full understanding of the importance of integrity, absolute faith, honor, and charity towards our fellow man. When not just a person, but an entire culture starts to value these attributes, it changes the nature of the culture. It allows that culture to patiently take the slings and arrows and defeat their opponent while not hating their opponent. They will fight not out of anger, hatred, or spite, but out of regretful preservation. Regret that there is no other way to preserve what cannot be sacrificed. Our freedom. Until you can see your opponent for what they are, know yourself and your intent, and truly regret the course of action ahead of you; you will never be ready for the violence that ensues and it will consume both you and the opponent you intended to destroy.

      Violence is the absolute last resort and should be avoided at all costs save one, freedom (life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness).

      If you think it over, I think you‘ll find that you’re not ready. None of us are ready. I know I am certainly not ready. I am not where I need to be spiritually and with regard to my virtue. I can only hope that if that day ever comes (God willing it won’t) that God will have helped me and many others to attain the virtue necessary for the heavy burden that must be shouldered for the good of all.

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    • AnotherWay
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 12:44pm

      Newstalker–

      Regarding “fighting for freedom and rights.” Would you prefer to use loving means to resolve a conflict first–or would you prefer to use violent means first?

      If you do believe it is best to use loving means first, when would you personally decide to use violence?

      I don’t get a sense that you are advocating violence as a “last resort”. It seems to me that if is a first and preferred option for you?

      Why fault Glenn for emphasizing the importance of using loving means in the tradition or Jesus, MLK and Gandhi? Why do you want him to be quick to adopt and advocate violence?

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    • 911
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 12:49pm

      I love Glenn.. But he is dead wrong here.. he is a coward for taking this stand on this issue and I have lost a lot of respect for him.. I 100% agree with Broden.. Remember freedom of speech Glenn????

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    • Alvin691
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 1:06pm

      You guys just don’t get it.

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    • American_Woman
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 1:20pm

      Dirty Harry, Glenn isn‘t trying to convince anyone that he’s not a radical. Silly YOU! Didn‘t you know that if you’re a Conservative Christian, you are the radical these days. Glenn is PROUD to be a radical.

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    • Dirty Harry
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 1:21pm

      Anotherway said: “Regarding “fighting for freedom and rights.” Would you prefer to use loving means to resolve a conflict first–or would you prefer to use violent means first?”

      Please, the “love” you talk of equates to weakness in the eyes of the enemy, those who would destroy our Constitution and Bill of Rights, and render this a Socialist nation. Pacifism with these guys will only get your teeth knocked out.

      They will respond to an equal or superior power and the threat to use it. This isn’t rocket science here, Anotherway, nor is it Sunday school. Bush tried the lovey-dovey approach and they beat him over the head with his extended olive branch.

      With all due respect, you’re ill-equipped to help at this time. You’re bringing cupcakes to use in full-contact politics. Please, go sit on the bleachers and cheer for the side you want to win, because you aren’t much help.

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    • Dirty Harry
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 1:24pm

      It occurrs to me that Glenn has spent months to successfully whip his listeners/viewers into a frenzy, only to tell them: Oh, never mind, it’s not really that bad.

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    • jsDway
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 2:06pm

      I agree with DIRTY HARRY, O’Reilley has gone PC for the purpose of getting interviews with the likes of Obama – maybe!
      On “The View” the other day, he accidenttally stumbled into a place he had to stick by his statement or look like a fool – I don’t think he really wanted to say what he said – the word Muslim!
      I think Pasor Broden is totally correct with his statement – the 2nd amendment and the Declaration give us the freedom to overthrow a tyrannical oppressive government!

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    • Conservative Voice
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 2:19pm

      True, the 2nd amendment is there because it is our duty ( according to the declaration of independence ) to overthrow a tyrannical government.
      However, what Glenn has said over the years…and not just reacting to Stephen Broder, or just barely showing “weak knees” he has been very consistent…the left WANTS us to turn to violence ( and not God ) Because if a revolution took place it would be a French Revolution, not an American one. There are too many people who have bought into class warfare and entitlements. Before any violence is condoned by God we have to be one with God. Here is what I understand, God does allow us the right to defend ourselves, its fundamental. He doesn’t allow us to take revenge or use his name in vain and use violence to promote “his will”. He has said if we are slapped, turn the other cheek. Right now we must must must hold our ground and just stand. Thats it! God will fight our battle if we stand.

      People getting mad at Glenn and saying he is doing things for ratings don‘t know Glenn and have their own agenda and are mad that Glenn isn’t their puppet.

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    • timej31
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 2:58pm

      The question is, do you possess the constitution, the depth of faith, to go as far as is needed?

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    • Dirty Harry
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 3:10pm

      Conservative wrote: “Because if a revolution took place it would be a French Revolution, not an American one. ”

      Don’t be a sheep. Even to Glenn Beck, don’t be a sheep. Think for yourself.

      The first time (out of 400) that Beck said that sentence I didn’t buy it. What makes Glenn think that we start a revolution and then let it run it’s course as it wants? That’s silly think.

      Secondly, a revolution doesn’t necessatily mean an armed one. It may merely be the fact that the American people are well-armed that gives our voice volume. When you see Chuck Norris walk into a room, you don’t actually have to see his sidekick to be wary of it and give him the proper respect, you just have to know it’s available to him if he needs it.

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    • tradexpertbuysell
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 3:12pm

      Broden I believe was taken out of context and Glenn was going out of his way to avoid criticism from the left. Its time for both Broden and Beck to move on and may providence and divine interposition bless both of them to continue the good fight!

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    • patriotatheist
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 3:15pm

      Believe what you wish, Contrarion… i am only stating what should be obvious to you and everyone else here… who do *you* trust with your back?

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    • tradexpertbuysell
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 3:29pm

      I want to add something else in defence of Glenn’s position with regard to the left:

      Left = Enemy to the republic = Progressive Movement.

      Gelnn does have to be careful because the progressives really are looking for any excuse to terminate the republic. This is no joke. His position dictates that he will push agressively for peace as would Ghandi and MLK. That should be first and foremost in all our hearts.

      But I also understand Broden was making a point that is not PC and I salute his candid response, but he too has to be careful about how the enemies of the republic want to twist things to their sinister advantage. Of course they will take things out of context and also take the opportunity to pit Beck against Broden. This is what progressives do best. Agitate! Agitate! Agitate!

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    • NE Cowboy
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 3:29pm

      I really hate to say this, but your 100% correct! Glenn through him under the bus, and in record time too. It pains me to say it as Glenn has had my support since coming to Fox. He OWES Stephen Broden a PUBLIC apology for doing something Glenn acuses other people of doing all the time and thats taking a comment OUT OF CONTEXT and commenting on it. So Glenn, who’s going to do the right thing?????

      Steve

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    • VegasGuy
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 3:30pm

      Glenn knows this Jefferson quote as well as anyone, “When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.” I believe Glenn agrees with that quote otherwise he would not use it on his show.

      I also believe Glenn knows the key to conservatives getting this country back to the ideals of our Constitution AT THIS POINT IN TIME is first and foremost by peaceful means. That is why he believes Ghandi’s teaching are of value to us.

      Broden was making the point that as long as we still have the 2A we have that final option. Glenn was making the point that peace is the answer. IMO, both of them stepped into a PC mine field and are suffering some backlash.

      Both Glenn and Broden have my respect. That has not changed. Until I hear Glenn say Jefferson is wrong and the 2A is never an option he will continue to have my respect.

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    • SCBubba
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 4:04pm

      Diego Garcia wrote
      Secession is a right that liberals have well established via the United Nations. Look at how Kosovo is no longer a part of Serbia. When the government steals property (Kelo) and tries to compel the purchase of products (Obamacare) you have a government that IS tyrannical. Those are in fact the very behaviors that committed the U.S. to revolt against England.

      So what you are basically saying is Secession is illegal and wrong? Secession is a Right, to leave and form a better government. The South tried real hard to leave peacefully but was denied by the union. The 10th provided this idea but was gutted by Lincoln and the north. So I don’t take your premise that it is a liberal idea, it’s only a liberal idea if liberal progressives can get out of it what they are after a social society!

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    • AmericanPatriot01
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 4:09pm

      I believe that Glenn is doing the right thing. Funny how the trolls come out to attack Glenn for trying to keep the violence out of the conversation. There is a lot of fear in the country right now and the meer mention of a violent revolution could spark the fringe to take action based on misconceptions. The anger levels are completely off the charts for many americans, especially those that have lost everything and been negatively impacted by our econimic condition. Glenn is doing what any responsible leader would do to try and keep reasonable people reasonable. WHEN THE TIME COMES to be violent, trust me there will be patriots to lead the charge, but now is not the time to incite such action, not yet. “Wait till you can see the whites of their eyes before you fire the first shot”.

      If you feel compelled to do anything about the condition of our nation then organize voters promote and exercise your skill to educate and get people out to vote!!!!!! Our vote is the only weapon we need right now and every shot counts.

      The article Glenn commented on was biased and out of context. His statement was “on the money” given the articles presentation. Glenn said “If this is true, there is no way I can support him”. I was looking for him to call Broden up to talk about it on his show. Glenn is not perfect and the human condition is at times reactionary by instinct. No reason to denegrate or abandon him for it.

      Can you imagine having to where bullet proof vests and hiding your family? Glenn knows these thing first hand right now, because of the stance he has taken for US!!! His sacrifice is not up for your judgement or ridicule, he does this out of love and patriotism, He doesnt need your approval because he knows what he is doing will make a difference for all American citizens and patriots.

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    • kryptonite
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 4:12pm

      If God is against war, why does He call himself the God of Hosts?

      If Jesus is against war, why did he say the following?: “When I sent you out without a moneybag or a traveling bag or sandals, did you need anything?“ ”No!” they answered. Jesus told them, “But now, if you have a moneybag, take it with you. Also take a traveling bag, and if you don’t have a sword, [a] sell some of your clothes and buy one. 37Do this because the Scriptures say, `He was considered a criminal.’ This was written about me, and it will soon come true.” (Luke 22:35-37)

      There is a time for everything under the sun. We just need to be in touch with the Lord — not the media — to know if/when, where, how, and why and BE OF ONE ACCORD.

      That said, PLEASE do not burden Glenn with harsh criticism. He is not perfect; he is not God. He can take so much, and he is already being bombarded with hate, criticism, death threats, intimidation, and violence against his sponsors.

      Glenn treats us with love and respect, and he deserves the same in return.

      We care for and appreciate you, Glenn. Keep up the good fight!

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    • gleestacy
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 4:14pm

      While it does in away appear Glenn was to quick to throw out Broden, think about what Glenn has previously said. Glenn has multiple times said that he grew up in a houshold full of conflict. As a result he can’t stand any conflict whatsoever. And what kind of conflict is worse then a violent revolution.While Glenn may have been too quick to cast Broden under the bus, I don’t blame him.

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    • A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 4:17pm

      Im pretty sure PatriotAtheist is here as an instigator.

      Just thinking out loud, and on record.

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    • Dirty Harry
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 4:29pm

      Americanpacifist wrote: “The anger levels are completely off the charts for many americans…”

      Uhhh, there’s not a clue in that for ya? Not anywhere? Did that anger happen in a vaccuum? Did it just appear out of the ether for no apparent reason?

      Let me help you with the answers: No, no, no, and no. You recognize the anger but you must think it is not legitimate anger if you then think it can just be soothed with mere words.

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    • AmericanPatriot01
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 4:30pm

      patriotatheist is a TROLL!! Do not feed the trolls!!! He attempts to blend in and perverts the original intent. Inciting hate and seperation.

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    • kryptonite
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 4:49pm

      Contrarianthinker said: Yes, Glen pulled an Obama. Condemned without knowing the full story. Glenn MUST publicly apologize or he loses a great deal of respect from me.

      If the Deceiver himself were blogging on the Blaze, it would be hard to tell you two apart. You are a sly, smooth liar, who would love nothing more than to see Glenn crushed and destroyed. We see right through you. You are one despicable Obama troll.

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    • patriotatheist
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 5:15pm

      I only speak the truth, americanpatriot… the facts speak for themselves… deal with it…

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    • kryptonite
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 5:38pm

      PatriotAtheist said: “…it is time we left Glenn by the side of the road before he throws us all under the bus. … he will just as easily you too if it pads his pocketbook sufficiently…

      You speak the truth? Whose “truth” would THAT be? Atheist Obama’s truth? Patriot Obama’s truth? You trolls are all cut from the same dirty cloth. You spew lies, more lies, nothing but filthy lies, and your patriotic allegiance is to Obama.

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    • SheriS
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 5:51pm

      Perhaps you really need to listen to all the words Glenn says–your own statement makes it clear you have not so you are just spouting your own opinion. If you really want to know what Glenn has to say about this issue, I suggest you pick up the phone tomorrow and call his radio show and confront him with what you believe about him. If that is not your choice, then you need to do a lot more research that you can understand instead of attacking!

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    • patriotatheist
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 5:59pm

      kryptonite, i am merely recounting words and events… you can draw your own conclusions…

      if someone had in-depth interviewed me SIX TIMES on television and then upon me stating my constitutionally guaranteed opinions distanced himself from me by stating on the radio that he had “only met me four times”… how would *you* feel??

      imho it is time we moved on… this movement has grown way beyond Glenn’s glaring lack of trust, honor, and integrity….

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    • Michael Schmidtman
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 6:12pm

      gharclerode,

      I DO listen to Glenn Beck, 3 hours of radio and 1 hour of TV, EVERY day.

      I heard Glenn Beck’s rant about Reverend Stephen Broden on Friday, October 22nd, and I was extremely disappointed, even before I read this article about Rev. Broden. The sound bites and quotes played on Glenn’s program in no way justified what Glenn said. Glenn was WAY out of line and he should apologize, ON THE AIR, the sooner the better.

      Glenn is a very spiritual person, and I appreciate that, but I don’t think he is any more (or any less) connected to God than Rev. Broden. I’m pretty sure his civil rights experiences, knowledge and opinions are less extensive than those of Rev. Broden. I used to think Glenn’s knowledge of the Constitution and the Founders was unrivaled, at least among media personalities, but now I’m questioning that assumption.

      Our nation is being subjected to more abuses of our Liberty than the Founders would have ever accepted. These are the “light and transient causes” Rev. Broden refers to, but they are only classified in this way because these abuses are taking place over an extended period of time. This does NOT mean that the abuses aren’t significant, it simply means that our freedoms are being destroyed through a contrived process of gradualism, now cloaked as “hope”, “change” and “progress”. This process is insidious, a slow rot that will weaken the foundation of our Liberty, potentially destroying it before many are even aware that it is happening.

      For Glenn to deny this gradual erosion of our Liberty would be tantamount to him denying virtually EVERYTHING he has broadcast over the past 2 years. Is he willing to do this? Is he willing to deny that we are rapidly progressing towards a “point of no return” as regards our God given Freedom? I think not, but if so, let him say it now, loudly and clearly, lest he become yet another silent accomplice in the destruction of our nation.

      Rev. Broden did nothing more than state the obvious. He did nothing more than articulate what every child SHOULD have learned by 8th grade. Our Declaration of Independence clearly states that it is our right and our DUTY to sever the bonds of tyranny when necessary. Our Constitution clearly delineates the means by which we may limit our government, AND the means by which we may defend ourselves from a government run amok. Among these means are the Right to Assemble, the Right to Freedom of Speech, the Right to Freedom of the Press, and, as a last resort, the Right to Keep and Bear Arms against a government of oppression. Rev. Broden was crystal clear that he doesn’t think that violence is the answer, AT THIS POINT, but Glenn jumped on the out-of-context quote from Rev. Broden to denounce him, much as the leftist media denounces Glenn himself, without reason, without logic and without justification. I am extremely disappointed in this as it shows an inability to thoughtfully examine facts without resorting to a knee-jerk political response. Glenn’s position is also morally bankrupt in that it implies some “higher source” for what appears to be his ABSOLUTE PACIFISIM. (As an aside, he should stop pushing the philosophy of Mohandas Gandhi. I, for one, don’t find it to be applicable to our culture, our society, our history, our form of government and/or the Divine Providence Glenn constantly speaks of. We are no longer a colony of England, so citing Gandhi is in no way analogous.)

      Our country was founded by people who, in accord with God’s Divine Providence, threw off the chains of tyranny, thus allowing our nation to be that “Shining City on the Hill” that President Reagan spoke of. Our country was founded, in accord with God’s Divine Providence, to become that last beacon of hope, that ONE earthly force for Good, that has given so much hope to so many, given so much charity to those who were dying of starvation and disease, fought so hard and paid such a dear price in blood and sorrow to prevail over the forces of darkness that threatened to envelop the whole of humanity. To claim that the very revolution that enabled our country to exist, and the subsequent inclusion of that principle of revolution in our Declaration of Independence and our Constitution, is no longer valid, is without any factual or moral basis whatsoever, and it smacks of a moral bankruptcy that can only lead us further down the road to slavery at the hands of an unjust State.

      Apologize, Glenn. Spend some time with Rev. Broden and rediscover what our Founders really meant when they talked of tyranny and the ultimate worth of our Freedom.

      “The Tree of Liberty must periodically be refreshed with the blood of Patriots and tyrants.”
      Thomas Jefferson

      God help us, we are not yet at the point of acting in accord with Jefferson’s statement, but we can‘t deny it’s truth.

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    • Grandpa
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 6:24pm

      Beck’s puppet strings are showing. He did the same thing to Deb Medina. I grew up in Broden‘s district and he’s in the bowels of the political machinery. God gave him a shot when his opponent, Eddie Bernice Johnson, became tainted by timely investigation. Beck does great work educating folks like me but DO NOT accept his opinions of candidates at face value. The other Soros is his boss;s boss Rupert Murdoch. Broden is a light in a very dark place and they both know he could start a fire. Blaze On!

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    • Compete or Lose
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 6:30pm

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      You know, sometime people say stuipid things…………

      When I do it people usually laugh and call me on it and that is the emd of the story……..

      When a politician does it……….it is a story for weeks……

      He should just…..to borrow from other politicians…..MAN UP…say you screwed up…WHOOPS…DAMN that was a bad statement………WOW was I stupid for saying that…….

      A little honesty goes a long way……

      RGS

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    • Citizen7154
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 6:57pm

      @ Dirty Harry

      I like the Chuck Norris Metaphor, but realize that what Glenn Beck is talking about is what values Chuck has as he strolls into the room. Does he have integrity? Does he have faith? If he is the leader of this non-violent revolution, is he trustworthy? We don’t know who will rise to lead, but one thing is certain the more we come to value virtue both in ourselves and around us, the more likely it is that leader will have the virtue that society holds. Hope, Faith, Charity… sure. Integrity, Honor, a love of freedom and justice. If we do not value these in ourselves and in each other, Chuck‘s roundhouse doesn’t serve us that well, whether used or unused.

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    • kryptonite
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 6:57pm

      PatriotAtheist said: “i am merely recounting words and events… you can draw your own conclusions…”

      No, you are doing EXACTLY the opposite. You are not only drawing false conclusions and inciting us to believe them, but you are also smearing Glenn’s character. How dare you say that Glenn is in this for monetary gain! Where is your proof? NOBODY who takes on Obama and his thugs is seeking money. If Glenn only wanted money and/or fame he could easily achieve that by being an improved version of O’Reillly. So don’t give us that insidious cr*p.

      As to “throwing us under the bus,” that’s what your boss, Obama, and your ilk, do.
      Don’t ascribe to us your liberal greed, hypocrisy and cannabalism.

      I heard every single word Pat, Stu and Glenn exchanged that day. I am also blogging on a thread GLENN provided for Broden to be heard. You are trying to snake your way into the minds and hearts of patriots on this blog. Well, I’ve got news for you, pal. It ain’t working.

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    • AnotherWay
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 7:39pm

      Glenn is truly blessed.

      The reality is, Glenn is more or a spiritual/religious leader than people realize. I expect that those who do not understand the power of love and non-violence in their own lives–will become even more disenchanted with him as time goes on.

      His constant reference to Gandhi and Bonnhoefer–in addition to his strong Mormon faith point this way. There is a clear trajectory to his personality and character development–and he is becoming more loving, forgiving as time goes on. His deep affection for Alveda King and the 40 day challenge to personal spiritual transformation speak volumes about Glenn’s position on non-violence.

      Glenn will continue to expose evil. But he will combine it with the powerful healing power of love.

      Glenn knows and has experienced first hand that love is the most powerful force and weapon for good in the Universe. All that is necessary for victory is to expose evil, and for good people to lovingly gather to take a stand for what is good. Faith, Hope and Charity (love)–and the greatest of these is love.

      “They are the one who love each other” is the phrase that the Roman’s used to describe the early Christians. Not by how they shouted people down, or called for violent revolt, or how they talked about keeping violent revolution “as an option on the table.”

      They shall know you by your love.

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    • rebel
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 8:19pm

      this has gotten no where near the point of armed resistance. i think there would be a time for that, but come on. to talk about that now only makes it look like we are planning it now. It’s still time for peaceful protesting.

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    • chubster
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 11:28pm

      D-Harry if you had listened to Glenn, you would have heard him say he didn’t completely believe the report, and wanted to hear the ENTIRE interview in full context. That’s why “THE BLAZE” interviewed him, for clarification. Listen to Glenn on Monday.

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    • oneoftheall
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 11:45pm

      Let me add my 3 cents. If you agree fine. If you don’t who cares. First, for those of you attacking Glenn on his supposed position to Broden’s comments, anyone that listens to him knows he believes in waiting for the full context of a story before making a personal judgement. So, those of you trying to create division amongst those who agree with his standpoints FAIL. We have eyes and ears and know how to think for ourselves. He is a truly honorable man as far as I can see. Secondly, Yes Broden, in context, is correct. We have the right to pursue revolution when all other peaceful means have failed. To move toward Revolution now would surely achieve what the Progressives want. The destruction of the Republic. It would no longer be about Restoring, but at that point would be about starting over. I don’t believe we would find ourselves in better shape than even today if that comes to pass. We would look like Kosevo. A shattered country. Leaderless, and ridden with infighting. No, I don’t believe it is time for that. Such a final and decisive act should be held as a last resort. When no other peaceful option exists. Until that point we still have power to steer our country. We as a people have been complacent and apathetic. We have brought this upon ourselves. And, it is up to us to correct the problems of this country. Our forefather, and those that have, and continue, to die for this country deserve no less from us. It is our duty to be vigilant in holding those empowered by us, to do their duty for the people of this nation. Quit all of your bellyaching. It is embarassing to the nation that We are supposed to be. We have hard times ahead. We have to be the once proud and charitable people we once were. Tighten your belt. Look after your friends and neighbors. Quit thinking you are owed anything. You are most definately not. All the hate, deception, and backbiting makes me want to vomit. This is not the country I grew up knowing. And, this is surely not the country I want to see go the way of the dinosaurs. Truth, Honor, Virtue, Dignity, Charity. These are the things we should all strive to live by. If you do not, then you are nothing more than part of the problem. So, having said all this, I will tell you when the Revolution will start for me. When I can no longer vote, they send citizens to camps, or they come for my guns. Until that point, I will stand with firm reliance.

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    • kryptonite
      Posted on October 25, 2010 at 1:10am

      Anotherway,

      That was an inspiring comment, and I agree with your characterization of Glenn. However, I’d like to make a few observations:

      God sent weeping Jeremiah, but he also anointed Elijah, who called fire down from heaven in holy zeal. Finally he sent Jesus, His beloved Son and image. Jesus never engaged in worldly battles or politics, while he ministered as the Lamb of God. However, Jesus was not a Gandhi. Can you picture Gandhi angrily overturning tables and seats in a public area… in the outer court of a temple? (BTW, Jesus’ wrath was motivated by the fact that HIS HOUSE had been invaded and turned into a ROBBERS’ DEN.)

      Somehow, perhaps thanks to Hollywood, we have been fed this picture of Jesus as a soft-mannered guru, who walked around preaching Kumbaya and singing “We Are the World.” Nothing is further from the truth. While Jesus had the fullness of all the ministries because He is God, he came to his people as a prophet. God’s prophets have always been forceful men, and Jesus was no exception: He took on the Pharisees and scribes. He spoke with a commanding voice, and people marveled at the authority He displayed. Jesus felt righteous anger in the face of injustice and hypocrisy, and was bold in the affirmation of his deity, despite the uproar it inevitably

      Deeper: Jesus ministered to men of war – “unclean” Gentiles, to boot. Awesomely unorthodox! Did He ever tell any of the many centurions who approached him, “Put down the sword, and then come back?” No. In fact, he had a soft spot for righteous centurions. Jesus bestowed great honor upon them when he chose a centurion and his family as the first Gentiles to receive the Holy Spirit. In our modern world, how can God not feel touched by men and women who are willing to make the ultimate sacrifice so that others may be free? It does emulate Jesus’ selflessness.

      God is love, but you cannot claim to have agape love, unless you also hate evil. They represent two sides of the same coin. When Jesus said we should turn the other cheek, He was instructing us to refrain from revenge. It does not mean that we are supposed to be passive in the face of evil. In fact, some will be called to fight evil – literally. During WWII, there were great intercessors like Rees Howells, praying 24/7 for England. Then there was Churchill. And last but certainly not least, there were the brave men and women who spied for the allies or fought in the battlefields to bring Hitler down.

      I don’t know of ANY Christian who is advocating riots, random violence or vengeful revolution. IMHO, both our admirable Glenn and brother Broden know God and have their respective callings. If we reject the wiles of the media/enemy and the misunderstandings that ensued, we have before us two men who are faithful to God and will do right by America in this time of trial.

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    • Chet Hempstead
      Posted on October 25, 2010 at 2:04am

      Glenn was right, this guy is nuts. He talks about revolution as an option when the ballot box fails . Violent overthrow is your right when they stop having elections, using it to overturn the results of an election makes you the tyrant.

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    • DocTurtle
      Posted on October 25, 2010 at 7:35am

      How long has revolution been on the table?

      Since a self-avowed communist, and a terrorist played major roles in writing the Stimulus Bill that failed to stimulate?

      Since the federal government began taking charge of entire private-controlled industries?

      Since the federal government began mandating everyone is required to purchase a product, health insurance, which has begun escalating in cost since the bill’s passage?

      Since a major financial reform bill was signed into law with regulations and enforcement being left up to the whims of a political appointee?

      Since the Justice Department decided cases involving discrimination against whites wouldn’t be pursued?

      Since the federal government sued Arizona for passing a law to protect its own citizens?

      Since the federal government instituted a policy against deporting illegal aliens?

      And the list continues to grow, with Cap & Trade and the Fairness Act waiting in the wings…

      “Whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government…” – THOMAS JEFFERSON .

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    • mizflame98
      Posted on October 25, 2010 at 7:42am

      I love Glenn but he jumped the shark on this one. He should know better than to take what the mainstream media reports at face value.

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    • gobluebuckeye
      Posted on October 25, 2010 at 8:07am

      Dirty Harry, are you sure you really listen to Glenn Beck??? I am not too sure you do

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    • tradexpertbuysell
      Posted on October 25, 2010 at 8:57am

      I woke up this morning with a dread revelation of concern that things could turn ugly very quickly:

      Those like Dick Morris as well intended as he is says it is all about the economy and not social issues like abortion fills me with grave concern. It would indicate to me two things. 1) Dick is merely stating a fact. 2) And if true means we are about to be judged as a nation for turning our backs on God as Israel was in the days of Jeremiah predicted just before the hordes of the North moved in.

      Those also that quote Jefferson about violent revolution without first addressing Gods judgment and how we should turn from our wicked way and turn to him as a nation first also fill me with grave concern as well. Violent revolution will never work for the unrepentant anymore than the Jewish rebellion against Rome worked in 70 A.D. And with the same dreadful consequence.

      I pray that everyone should stop today and meditate and read 2 Chr 7:14 then get down on their knees at the end of today and humbly pray for the salvation of this nation. Now is not the time to even be bringing up the R word in any way shape or form unless it is a revolution of the heart and softening the heart of this nation of all its people to turn towards God to honor and obey His laws.

      No more talk about revolution and “It’s the economy stupid“ until we all realize that ”It’s about God stupid” first.

      Firm reliance on God through our humble appeals to Jesus Christ as our savior is the only answer. There is no other option.

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    • thepatriotdave
      Posted on October 25, 2010 at 1:55pm

      Dirty Harry,

      Wow, you really are clueless. But at least you are entertaining (in a weird way).

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    • thepatriotdave
      Posted on October 25, 2010 at 1:57pm

      Diego Garcia,

      Logic, a wonderful tool.

      Thank you.

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    • kryptonite
      Posted on October 25, 2010 at 2:01pm

      tradexpertbuysell,

      Excellent points.:
      “Have not You Yourself, O God, rejected us? And will You not go forth with our armies, O God? Oh give us help against the adversary, For deliverance by man is in vain. THROUGH God we will do valiantly, And it is He who shall tread down our adversaries.” (Ps. 108: 11-13) [Emphasis mine]

      However, 2 Chr 7:14 does not refer to the nation. It is directed to God’s people.

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    • AnotherWay
      Posted on October 25, 2010 at 4:05pm

      Kryptonite,

      Thank you for your comment.

      Let us hope and pray for the best possible outcome–which is that those who we consider adversaries will have a turning of the heart towards truth, peace and love. That is always the best possible outcome–and it much better than the outcomes from the use of violence.

      Let us also pray that we can model that truth, peace and love. “If you would change the world, then you must be the way you want the world to be.”

      “With firm reliance on Divine Providence . . .”

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    • tradexpertbuysell
      Posted on October 26, 2010 at 8:56am

      kryptonite
      Posted on October 25, 2010 at 2:01pm
      tradexpertbuysell,

      Excellent points.:
      “Have not You Yourself, O God, rejected us? And will You not go forth with our armies, O God? Oh give us help against the adversary, For deliverance by man is in vain. THROUGH God we will do valiantly, And it is He who shall tread down our adversaries.” (Ps. 108: 11-13) [Emphasis mine]

      However, 2 Chr 7:14 does not refer to the nation. It is directed to God’s people.

      Dear Kryptonite,

      It’s the “However” in your reply that I need to address. Before I proceed let me first thank you for overall affirming my concern and for the relevant verse that you gave us.

      Technically and literally you are correct in your however that it is God’s people that are summoned. But then what is the “land” to be healed? Gird your loins and answer that.

      Why did the founders refer to this land as a “city on the hill”? Answer that.

      Are you aware that in practically all the state seals of the original colonies that the motos, logos refer to God if not Jesus Christ directly invoking his protection in one fashion or another?

      Was Obama right to declare to the world that we are not a Christian Nation? Perish the thought!

      We I humbly submit to you have to identify ourselves individually as to who we are and what this nation is supposed to represent (as a city on the hill).

      When you quote Psalm 108: 11-13 knowing who we are becomes extremely critical. Are we just a band of rebels about to get our fannies kicked or a band of brothers who will ultimately triumph?

      Please explain. Again thank you for your overall warm response. Caution though on the academic exercise, It is all part of my dread concern from yesterday. In order not to fall into the trap of becoming a violent revolution it is super critical for us to know our identity as a nation, how we were founded, who we are as individuals in relation to the Almighty, to reject ungodly violence and then humbly seek His face so that He can and will heal this land!

      The same spirit that prompted me yesterday to get up and write the original note also prompted me to respond to you as a brother this morning. God speed kind sir!

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    • grumpyt
      Posted on October 28, 2010 at 7:09pm

      Sad to say you are right. Glenn, wake up and smell the coffee (not tea, taxes are too high remember). Why is your favorite painting of GW the Valley Forge painting of him beside horse on bended knee? GW and the other founding fathers did not WANT war. They wanted liberty and that REQUIRED that they fight for it. We do not want to fight, we have to use the ballot box. I do not believe that we have to do physical battle, we must do everything possible to avoid it. But, as my grandparents said, “Pray for the best but be prepared for the worst”. Glenn, please do not abandon Pastor Broden. I heard your renouncing of him and think that you were wrong. You did this on the radio and were too hasty.

      God Bless you all and continue to Bless our Country

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