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Exorcists Wanted

Exorcists Wanted

A priest attends an exorcism class in Italy.

NEW YORK (The Blaze/AP) — They say the devil is in the details. But when he jumps into David, Dan, or Diana, some Roman Catholic priests have the job of making sure he doesn’t stay long. But the Church has a problem: its running low on exorcists.

Citing a shortage of priests who can perform the rite, the nation’s Roman Catholic bishops are holding a conference on how to conduct exorcisms. According to Bishop Thomas Paprocki in the New York Daily News, only five or six American priests know how to perform exorcisms, and they are finding themselves overwhelmed with requests.

The two-day training, which ends Saturday in Baltimore, is to outline the scriptural basis of evil, instruct clergy on evaluating whether a person is truly possessed, and review the prayers and rituals that comprise an exorcism. Among the speakers will be Cardinal Daniel DiNardo, archbishop of Galveston-Houston, Texas, and a priest-assistant to New York Archbishop Timothy Dolan.

“Learning the liturgical rite is not difficult,” DiNardo said in a phone interview before the conference, which is open to clergy only. “The problem is the discernment that the exorcist needs before he would ever attempt the rite.”

More than 50 bishops and 60 priests signed up to attend, according to Catholic News Service, which first reported the event. The conference was scheduled for just ahead of the fall meeting of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, which starts Monday in Baltimore.

Despite strong interest in the training, skepticism about the rite persists within the American church. Organizers of the event are keenly aware of the ridicule that can accompany discussion of the subject. Exorcists in U.S. dioceses keep a very low profile. In 1999, the church updated the Rite of Exorcism, cautioning that “all must be done to avoid the perception that exorcism is magic or superstition.”

Exorcists Wanted

Cardinal Jorge Medina Estevez of Chile, holds the updated guide "De Exorcismis et Supplicationibus Quibusdam."

The practice is much more accepted by Catholics in parts of Europe and elsewhere overseas. Cardinal Stanislaw Dziwisz, the longtime private secretary of Pope John Paul II, revealed a few years after the pontiff’s death that John Paul had performed an exorcism on a woman who was brought into the Vatican writhing and screaming in what Dziwisz said was a case of possession by the devil.

Bishop Thomas Paprocki of Springfield, Ill., who organized the conference, said only a tiny number of U.S. priests have enough training and knowledge to perform an exorcism. Dioceses nationwide have been relying solely on these clergy, who have been overwhelmed with requests to evaluate claims. The Rev. James LeBar, who was the official exorcist of the Archdiocese of New York under the late Cardinal John O’Connor, had faced a similar level of demand, traveling the country in response to the many requests for his expertise.

The rite is performed only rarely. Neal Lozano, a Catholic writer and author of the book “Unbound: A Practical Guide to Deliverance” about combatting evil spirits, said he knows an exorcist in the church who receives about 400 inquiries a year, but determines that out of that number, two or three of the cases require an exorcism.

No one knows why more people seem to be seeking the rite. Paprocki said one reason could be the growing interest among Americans in exploring general spirituality, as opposed to participating in organized religion, which has led more people to dabble in the occult.

“They don‘t know exactly what they’re getting into and when they have questions, they’re turning to the church, to priests,” said Paprocki, chairman of the bishops’ committee on canonical affairs and church governance. “They wonder if some untoward activity is taking place in their life and want some help discerning that.”

Many Catholic immigrants in the U.S. come from countries where exorcism is more common, although Paprocki said that was not a motivation for organizing the conference.

Exorcism has deep roots in Christianity. The New Testament contains several examples of Jesus casting out evil spirits from people, and the church notes these acts in the Catholic Catechism. Whether or not individual Catholics realize it, each of them undergoes what the church calls a minor exorcism at baptism that includes prayers renouncing Satan and seeking freedom from original sin.

A major exorcism can only be performed by a priest with the permission of his bishop after a thorough evaluation, including consulting with physicians or psychiatrists to rule out any psychological or physical illness behind the person’s behavior.

Signs of demonic possession accepted by the church include violent reaction to holy water or anything holy, speaking in a language the possessed person doesn’t know and abnormal displays of strength.

The full exorcism is held in private and includes sprinkling holy water, reciting Psalms, reading aloud from the Gospel, laying on of hands and reciting the Lord’s Prayer. Some adaptations are allowed for different circumstances. The exorcist can invoke the Holy Spirit then blow in the face of the possessed person, trace the sign of the cross on the person’s forehead and command the devil to leave.

The training comes at a time when many American bishops and priests are trying to correct what they view as a lack of emphasis on the Catholic teaching about sin and evil after the Second Vatican Council, the series of meetings in the 1960s that enacted modernizing reforms in the church. Many in the American hierarchy, as well as Pope Benedict XVI, believe that the supernatural aspect of the church was lost in the changes, reducing it to just another institution in the world.

A renewed focus on exorcism highlights the divine element of the church and underscores the belief that evil is real.

DiNardo said some Catholics who ask for an exorcism are really seeking, “prayerful support. They’re asking for formation in the faith.” Still, he said sometimes the rite is warranted.

“For the longest time, we in the United States may not have been as much attuned to some of the spiritual aspects of evil because we have become so much attached to what would be either physical or psychological explanation for certain phenomena,” DiNardo said. “We may have forgotten that there is a spiritual dimension to people.”

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

Comments (70)

  • Hoosier
    Posted on November 16, 2010 at 4:57am

    Why did Mr. Beck allow this space on his Blaze? Mr. Beck’s mother was Catholic I understand. I believe that demonic possesion is real along with angels. I worry about being brainwashed by Mr. Beck. I wonder if he is a true believer in Jesus. Does Mr. Beck really believe that Jesus is God? I don’t think he does. Mr. Beck is not very optimistic person. His religion will attack the Roman Catholic faith anytime it has a chance. Mormonism=Masons. Very anti-Catholic. I want proff that Mr. Beck isn’t a phoney. There are times when I listen to him and I get very, very depressed. Like there isn’t any hope. If you listen to Mr. Beck long enough you will discover that if he isn’t promoting himself, he is a very depressing person who takes advantage of people. That is what alcoholics and dopers do.

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  • Mike in Columbus
    Posted on November 14, 2010 at 9:12am

    Darn! When I read that headline I expected to click on it and then see a photo of man standing outside of the White House holding a sign with those words on it

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  • wonderbug
    Posted on November 14, 2010 at 8:01am

    “… believe that the supernatural aspect of the church was lost in the changes, reducing it to just another institution in the world.” Exactly right. Some believe, but many won’t even give it the benefit of the doubt, until their personal living spaces become sooo evil that they are forced to explore other options.

    It’s been a while, but SALT OF THE EARTH: THE CHURCH AT THE END OF THE MILLENNIUM: AN INTERVIEW WITH PETER SEEWALD by Ratzinger and Walker was a great, great read!

    Robert W …. loving your posts here.

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  • drattastic
    Posted on November 14, 2010 at 12:59am

    Let the government start regulating demons .There will be so many restrictions ,taxes and bureaucracy all demons will stay in hell where its safe.

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  • faithaz
    Posted on November 14, 2010 at 12:19am

    We need to find them quick so they can excercise Micheal Moore, Maher and Soro’s out of the U.S.

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  • JustMel71
    Posted on November 13, 2010 at 10:40pm

    How bizarre, first a paranormal like story then cat story. Two of my favorite things. =)
    In the name of Jesus Christ I command Obama & his puppet master Soros to leave.

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  • cnerd
    Posted on November 13, 2010 at 9:18pm

    I have long wondered how Ms. Pelosi and the Kennedys have managed to avoid interdiction and excommunication because of their open opinions concerning abortion. She needs to be exorcised!

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  • dontbotherme
    Posted on November 13, 2010 at 8:54pm

    Evil does exist. God needs to be called upon to stop the loss of souls to evil. There is a true constant battle between good & evil. God always wins.

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    • MrButcher
      Posted on November 13, 2010 at 10:10pm

      evil is a perception of behavior and outcome

      some might call you evil.

      how would you respond?

      I know you are but what am i?

      please

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    • Robert W
      Posted on November 14, 2010 at 1:56am

      Mr. Butcher- There is far more evidence that God exists. I think your a lonely guy who sits at his computer on saturday night tweaking noses. Maybe if you opened your mind, you might have people who want to hang out with ya. Someone who believes in nothing other than what he can understand is boring. Reading your posts is like watching paint dry.

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  • Tayalynn
    Posted on November 13, 2010 at 8:47pm

    My theory is that all these new ghost shows on TV are making people more aware of demons and possession. There’s “Ghosthunters”, “Ghost Stories”, “Ghose Adventures” “Scariest Places on Earth”, “Paranormal State”, etc…etc…etc. These shows are emensely popular right now.

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  • MrButcher
    Posted on November 13, 2010 at 8:26pm

    exorcists, snake charmers, witch doctors, voodoo men, pentacostals Oh my.

    What do you expect from a religion who’s main character rose from the dead like a zombie in a george romero flick? “brains….brains”

    insanity that is attributed to metaphysical demons is always good for a laugh.

    oh, ye ignorants
    how ye amuse me

    pass the garlic, salt and the holy water
    I’m hungry

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    • dontbotherme
      Posted on November 13, 2010 at 8:51pm

      Oh ye of little faith… mocking those who have faith & know the truth. You are a fool. It must be so easy to mock things, ideals, people you don’t understand – that you refuse to understand. You comments make you look stupid. If you have a lucid comment perhaps we will pay attention to you in the future. If you continue to name call & mock people’s faith you will be bitter & alone. The choice is yours. God bless you & chase your demons away.

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    • MrButcher
      Posted on November 13, 2010 at 9:22pm

      no, sir. I’ll return the volley with joy.

      The believers in tyranny are fools. Unchallengable, celestial dictatorships are just as bad as terrestial ones.

      I’m very familiar with the writings of all three major religions. I don’t hate the people who erronously believe in them; I hate the ideas.

      Mental slavery is what you are defending and mocking me for not going along with….

      Question with more boldness

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    • Dustyluv
      Posted on November 14, 2010 at 4:39am

      MRBUTCHER I will use your own words…

      o ye ignorant…how ye amuse me.

      It won’t be so funny when you face your maker though…I am ready, are you?

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  • thepatriotdave
    Posted on November 13, 2010 at 8:24pm

    Deutscher,

    Maybe he means the type of car he drives… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:2008-09-27_Fagbug_in_Durham.jpg

    PatriotShops.com

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  • Deutscher
    Posted on November 13, 2010 at 8:01pm

    “*******” really? What an adult commentary. I dont like his politics but that name-calling is for children and …. Well people like you.

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  • heavyduty
    Posted on November 13, 2010 at 7:27pm

    Let’s just send them Democrats instead. I mean most of them are Catholics anyways.

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    • MrButcher
      Posted on November 13, 2010 at 10:07pm

      the beginings of sectarianism in our own country are illustrated with Heavyduty’s comment.

      think

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  • AUTHOR22
    Posted on November 13, 2010 at 6:31pm

    NOw that’s what we need. Exorcists to dotheir magic on the Democrats and a few stray RINO’s. Seem Nanc y can’t do her promised job of draining the swamp.

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  • The Third Archon
    Posted on November 13, 2010 at 6:19pm

    In what way is this newsworthy?

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  • BobParker2003
    Posted on November 13, 2010 at 6:19pm

    All you bigots are showing your worst colors when you are critical of the Catholic Church! The wars between those that love and trust in the grace of God and in his Son must stop this! Let those in that believe in the Quran fight each other, not those in the true God’s church! If we all shout the name of where we worship we have noise. If we all shout the name of that man we all love and worship for what he did for us 2010 year ago we all shout the same name. CHRIST please forgive those that are critical of your devoted faithful no matter under what roof they worship you!

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    • Jezreel
      Posted on November 13, 2010 at 7:40pm

      Just as we had to wake up about the corruption in our government and see the truth, it applies to many other things in our lives. Just as the lefties call the Tea Party bigots etc, people who are reprobates call people who seek truth, bigots also. Lefties hate truth of any kind.

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    • MrButcher
      Posted on November 13, 2010 at 8:21pm

      hate to have to come to the defense of “lefties” but Jezrell you need to relax.

      You do know that “truth” is a matter of perception, right?

      and “Religious Truth” is an oxymoron.

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    • dontbotherme
      Posted on November 13, 2010 at 8:36pm

      Amen!

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    • Robert W
      Posted on November 13, 2010 at 8:49pm

      Mr Butcher- I missed you, my little crazy friend, but what evidence do have to support your statement? About religion and truth being an oxymoron. Or are you still on the oxycodones. lol

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    • MrButcher
      Posted on November 13, 2010 at 9:43pm

      which angle should i take Robert?

      I assume the christian one. Ok. I’ll do it quick and simple. two easy points that disprove christian “truth”

      1. Women do not give birth without prior intercourse.
      2. Dead people do not come back to life

      those simple basic facts prove christians are insane in their beliefs and all that derives from it is, well, just a little questionable.

      Any 2 year old who hasn’t been indoctrunated into these cults can tell you this.

      CS lewis is not a good writer to cite either on this subject.
      I’ve read him more than you have.
      Not good arguments.

      Oh, just so you know, I’m no fan of drug use.

      cheers

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    • dynodonc
      Posted on November 14, 2010 at 8:17pm

      Catholicism is definitely a twisted religion. The Bible is a collection of stories meant to help guide us in the right direction. Jesus is a being who walked this earth to try to make a difference and help guide us back on the right path. At this point it seems that we are way off track as a people in general. Faith is the belief that we are being tested and if we pass the tests of life we will go on to a better place (level of existence, something better). If we don‘t have some kind of faith there’s no point for existing. Therefore it is essential for every person to believe in something. OK I‘m done ramblin’ on.

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  • Ruler4You
    Posted on November 13, 2010 at 6:01pm

    All I can say is that I already have a job, I promise! real soon!

    I‘m afraid my ’purity’ is dangerously low, even though my faith in God is being bolstered as we speak.

    May God bless those who combat the demons of the world.

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    • MrButcher
      Posted on November 13, 2010 at 10:05pm

      thank you for your support.

      Its very hard fighting entrenched supernatural metaphyical religious beliefs that destroy our freedoms, our political conversations and our sacred ideal of individual rights.

      But someone has to do it.

      I cast out the Jesus-demon-belief with the power of Thomas Paine!

      The power of Paine compells you
      The power of Paine compells you
      The power of….

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  • Sledgehammer
    Posted on November 13, 2010 at 5:57pm

    Send as manyas you can spare to Washington, We’re going to need all the help we can get!

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  • MommaGrizzly
    Posted on November 13, 2010 at 5:47pm

    Maybe Pelosi, Read, and the rest of them need an exorcism – and the demon is Soros!

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  • eyestoseeearstohear
    Posted on November 13, 2010 at 5:45pm

    OK…this is TOO obvious …BUT, HERE GOES ANYWAY.

    SEND THE PRIESTS YOU DO HAVE WHO KNOW HOW TO DO THIS….TO WASHINGTON!

    THERE’S PLENTY DEVILS THERE….AND ONE BIG ONE ON THE WAY!

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  • Citizen
    Posted on November 13, 2010 at 5:44pm

    ugh these people looking to give phds in casting out demons.

    good luck with that

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    • Jezreel
      Posted on November 13, 2010 at 5:56pm

      When Jesus cast out the devil, it was very simple. He never performed rituals. He cast them out with his “WORD”. The rituals in Roman Catholocism originated from Babylonian devil worship intermixed with Judism and Christianity. Catholocism is a complete perversion and distortion of the word of God which is truth.

       
    • Robert W
      Posted on November 13, 2010 at 6:14pm

      @jezreel, you cant be over 16 yrs. old to make that idiotic statement. The devil is healing people at Lourdes folks to complete his evil plan to make everyone healthy!!! LOL The Exorcist was based on a true story, Exorcism of Emily Rose was true. Wheres the documented protestant Fatima? Lourdes? Theres the Catholic church with its 2,000 yr old history and the 30,000 protestant denominations. I rest my case. Now off to sacrifice a goat!!!

       
    • Jezreel
      Posted on November 13, 2010 at 7:07pm

      Let GOD be true and every man a liar.

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    • Deutscher
      Posted on November 13, 2010 at 7:58pm

      @jezreel. I’m an ex-catholic and I can tell you a bit about the church. It is a bit of a mix of traditions, but IT has the benefit of being created only a few generations from the apostle. And has stuck to it’s teachings. Whereas Protestants seem to have a version to suit any taste.
      Which is why I’m agnostic.

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    • Robert W
      Posted on November 13, 2010 at 8:45pm

      Deutsher- Thats what I like about agnostics, their generally honest people that stick to the facts.

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    • WhiteFang
      Posted on November 13, 2010 at 9:03pm

      Deutscher, The catholic church has NOT stuck to the the early Christian Congregation! They apostatized from the true first century Christianity, and to keep their people ignorant of that fact, they hid what the Bible actually said for centuries. Later, the congregations that broke away from the catholic’s, they continued the apostasy from the first century model by not teaching the truth. The book of Revelation in symbolic language explains that God’s Son, Jesus would cause a restoration of a true Christian Congregation in the “last days” that will give a witness to the entire world. “And this good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come. Matthew 24;14

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    • Robert W
      Posted on November 14, 2010 at 2:01am

      @whitefang…umm the Catholic church IS the early congregation. Read some books, dont go by what your pappy or uncle Jim Bob told ya. The Catholic church is 2,000 yrs old. It invented universities, hospitals and is THE biggest charity organization in the world. And then you have the 30,000 protestant denominations who cant agree on hardly anything.

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    • WhiteFang
      Posted on November 14, 2010 at 12:09pm

      Robert W, Look it up, research the subject of the beginning of the catholic church. Around 300 years after the apostles of our Lord died, the foretold apostasy did actually take place. The resulting organization eventually evolved into what the world now recognizes as the catholic church.

      As for the protestant churches, they continued many of the false teachings of the apostasy such as the triniity doctrine and immortality of the human soul idea. Research the subject before you embarrass yourself.

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    • Robert W
      Posted on November 14, 2010 at 7:48pm

      Since you know everything about the subject…you have read the Catechism right? Tell me what parts wrong in it and ill get out my copy and well compare notes. Is the Catholic church perfect?..no. Has it made mistakes?…yes…umm it is filled with human beings. But until somethin better comes along ill stick with it.

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    • WhiteFang
      Posted on November 14, 2010 at 8:08pm

      Robert, As you wish.

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    • Robert W
      Posted on November 15, 2010 at 7:05am

      If you read it with an open mind…youll convert, like I did. Its such a complete and informative book that protestant ministers like Jack van Impe quotes it. It would take a vivid imagination to find something wrong with it. Unlike people who rip the church whitout knowing the church, everything in that book has the scripture references that support what its saying. Good luck.

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  • Jezreel
    Posted on November 13, 2010 at 5:42pm

    Talk about the devil casting out the devil! A person who has the gift of casting out of demons does not have to be schooled in mumbo jumbo Roman Catholic booey whoey. It is a gift that is very badly needed today. All we have witnessed thus far are those snake oil salesmen type evangelico counterfeits that capture the crowds with sensationalism and lying signs and wonders.

     
    • Robert W
      Posted on November 13, 2010 at 6:18pm

      Yea…you cant possibly be over 16, and I know you’ve never read a book.

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    • Robert W
      Posted on November 13, 2010 at 6:20pm

      I know an exorcist that could help you tho…

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    • dontbotherme
      Posted on November 13, 2010 at 8:44pm

      It is not Roman Catholic mumbo jumbo or satanic rituals. Jesus Christ gave the apostles His instructions o how to do this. Educate yourself. Your ignorance is showing.

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  • dcwu
    Posted on November 13, 2010 at 5:39pm

    Pelosi, Read, Hillary, Biden, or any of Obama’s czars would. They all scare the devil out of me.

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  • bomberotom
    Posted on November 13, 2010 at 5:37pm

    wow this is insane, you know we live in a broken world when there are not enough exorcists….

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    • WhiteFang
      Posted on November 13, 2010 at 8:40pm

      And how do they charge for their “service”? I bet it is not cheap, I know they charge for other services. Maybe that is why so many want to be certified.

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    • Oil_Robb
      Posted on November 13, 2010 at 8:50pm

      Ya….better let them invoice people…Its better than the alternative…taking it out in trade

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    • DocH
      Posted on November 14, 2010 at 12:03am

      As far as I know the Church does not charge for the exorcism; if it does it would suggest a nominal stipend and not anything like a professional fee. The Church would not refuse on the basis of inability to pay. The family would have to pay for the physical and psychiatric examination. Although many may inquire for an exorcism, actually very few get to the actual rite of exorcism; there are so many physical and psychological reasons that a person may look like they need the rite. We suffer from addictions of all kinds; it’s our biggest problem and almost all addictions can be reversed through treatment, support and personal spiritual renewal.

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  • LSX
    Posted on November 13, 2010 at 5:32pm

    Call Nancy Pelosi – She’ll scare the crap out of any demon!

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    • john seven eighteen
      Posted on November 13, 2010 at 5:46pm

      @lAX

      No that woudn’t work- demons can recognize other demons!

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    • BobParker2003
      Posted on November 13, 2010 at 5:59pm

      She is in league with the devil himself so it would not help.

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    • HKS
      Posted on November 13, 2010 at 7:26pm

      Wow, they better find some fast, the government is laced with business and maybe even the big guy himself, what a catch.

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    • Firefight
      Posted on November 13, 2010 at 7:39pm

      Mark 3:26 And if Satan opposes himself and is divided, he cannot stand; his end has come.
      Hey it’s worth a shot! if she scares the demon away, we win!

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    • snowleopard3200 {mix art}
      Posted on November 13, 2010 at 7:58pm

      Nancy Pelois is merely insane and has a massive ego and god complex. Real demonic possession is incredibly rare, and I have to say she is not under the effects of possession. Have seen and dealt with such cases before of possession, and she is not one.

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    • tower7femacamp
      Posted on November 13, 2010 at 8:09pm

      Pedophiles are afraid of the devil .

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    • thepatriotdave
      Posted on November 13, 2010 at 8:15pm

      “Exorcists Wanted”

      Funny how this shows up right after the Bill Maher piece. Bill… are you listening, hmmmmm?

      PatriotShops.com

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    • torro1212
      Posted on November 14, 2010 at 4:26am

      hahahhahhaah

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    • Dustyluv
      Posted on November 14, 2010 at 4:29am

      Maybe they need stimulus money so they can hire some more Preists to do exorcisms…

      Demon posession is real. But exorcism is total baloney. The only way to rid a soul of a demon is through acceptance of Christ as Savior. As far as I know you can’t hire him. He works for free…

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    • Polwatcher
      Posted on November 14, 2010 at 6:02am

      Didn‘t Glenn say that Obama operates from and used to teach Sol Olinski’s book which is dedicated to Lucifer? This Marxist book is a good advertisement for the demons and makes more work for exorcists.

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    • stoutj
      Posted on November 14, 2010 at 7:33am

      @DustyLove Have you read your bible lately? Jesus exorcised demons. He gave that authority to the Apostles and in his name they exorcised demons. The Apostles handed that authority down through the generations and ultimately to the very priest who is hoping you show up at Mass today.

      (Clergy from other religions have also been able to successfully exorcise. Just so my protestent gmaw doesn’t choke me!)

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