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Facebook Page of Tulsa Shooting Suspect: My Dad Was ‘Shot by a F–king N—r’

Facebook Page of Tulsa Shooting Suspect Jake England: My Dad Was Shot by a F king N r

Nineteen-year-old Jake England, left, and 32-year-old Alvin Watts, right, were arrested early Sunday after a series of shootings in Tulsa, Okla. that left three dead and two critically wounded.

“Today is two years that my dad has been gone shot by a f–king n—-r.”

That‘s what a post on Jake England’s Facebook page said the day before he allegedly took part in a shooting spree in Tulsa, Okla. that left three people dead and two others critically wounded early Friday. All of the victims were black.

England, 19, and Alvin Watts, 32, were arrested early Sunday and are expected to be charged with three counts of first-degree murder and two counts of shooting with intent to kill.

England‘s Facebook page makes several references to his father’s death. According to the Tulsa World, Carl England was shot and killed April 5, 2010, about a quarter-mile east of where the body of one of the shooting victims was found.

The man arrested in Carl England’s death, Pernell Demond Jefferson, was charged with pointing a firearm and is serving a prison sentence through October 2014, the World reported. Jefferson is black.

“Today is two years that my dad has been gone shot by a f–king n—-r it‘s hard not to go off between that and sheran I’m gone in the head. RIP . Dad and sheran I . Love and miss u I think about both of u every second of the day,” England’s full post states.

A comment left by Watts states: “I kno i miss them 2. My last meomeries were great ones of them. Its nt goodbye its c u later.”

Facebook Page of Tulsa Shooting Suspect Jake England: My Dad Was Shot by a F king N r

Jake England (Image source: Facebook)

England’s page indicates that his girlfriend, Sheran Hart Wilde, died earlier this year. He also appears to have an infant son.

Watts left several other comments on England’s Facebook page, including one calling him a “strong-minded man” on a photo England posted Wednesday of Wilde‘s driver’s license.

“Its been 2 yrs since his dad passed. He’s a strong minded man.he knows it aint good bye dad its c u later.we read da bible everynite 2gether he luvs it. It helps him alot peeple,” Watts’ post Thursday afternoon stated.

A photo England posted on his father appears to say Carl England was “shot to death trying to protect his children and grandson.”

Facebook Page of Tulsa Shooting Suspect Jake England: My Dad Was Shot by a F king N r

Image source: Facebook

Tulsa police spokesman Jason Willingham told the World he could not confirm whether revenge was the motive for the shootings. Though police have identified both England and Watts as white, authorities have not described the shootings as racially-motivated, according to the Associated Press. A Facebook friend referred to England having “Indian heritage” in a comment on his page.

“Chilling at that house people talking sh-t on me for some sh-t I didn‘t do lil man and cady Ian’s here I do believer it just mite be the time to call it quits I I hate to say it like that but I’m done if something does happen tonite be ready for another funeral later,” England wrote in a post timestamped 11:15 p.m. Friday, hours after the shootings took place.

A Saturday morning post from England states: “Woke up late bout to head my a– to work get everything off my mind.”

Alvin Watts

Alvin Watts (Image source: Facebook)

Willingham told the AP police acted on an anonymous tip in arresting England and Watts.

The shootings set Tulsa’s black community on edge, with NAACP Tulsa president Rev. Warren Blakney Sr. telling the Tulsa World someone appeared to be “targeting black people to shoot.”

“The community once again can go about its business without fear of there being a shooter on the streets on today, on Easter morning,” Blakney said Sunday morning, according to the Associated Press.

This post has been updated since it was first published.

Comments (211)

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  • RediPatriot
    Posted on April 8, 2012 at 12:43pm

    Take this for what it is worth – Jake England was a man (Cherokee Indian) that had some major demons. His father was shot 2 years ago by a black man while defending his daughter and grandchild from the thug. His fiance committed suicide in January and left him to raise their newborn son. He appeared to have some drinking issues based on previous arrest. I think that his friend was not involved in the shootings but was trying to help him get away – he will be charged with aiding and abedding. Take this senseless tradgedy for what it is worth – a disturbed person with major demons went on a rampage and destroyed many lives. My prayers go out to all of those involved in this senseless tradgedy. It is not your classic hate crime but I think that it was racially motivated because of the way his father was killed at the hands of a “career criminal”. The progressives will try and make this more about white on black to suit their agenda but it is simply a person with some SERIOUS demons letting them get the best of him. God please be with all of us on this Easter and keep us safe and thank you for giving us your Son so we can all live again. Amen…

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    • Bluebonnet
      Posted on April 8, 2012 at 1:09pm

      Thank you. You sound like a very decent person who loves the Lord. Yes, I‘m afraid this will be turned into another racial incident regardless of this poor boy’s dad being killed by a thug who will serve little time. No, that doesn’t seem fair either. Life isn’t always fair. Retaliation doesn’t help either.

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    • 666Sucks
      Posted on April 8, 2012 at 1:14pm

      I’m confused… “The man arrested in Carl England’s death, Pernell Demond Jefferson, was charged with pointing a firearm and is serving a prison sentence through October 2014, the World reported. Jefferson is black.” So let me get this straight, he killed a man and got four years for pointing a Firearm? Sounds like there is more injustice then they are putting in this article. When the people see there is no more justice, they will take justice into their own hands!

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on April 8, 2012 at 1:33pm

      I don’t believe England was racist 2 years ago. I believe his sister was dating a black guy.

      His sister’s boyfriend got in a scuffle with another black guy & his father was shot

      “The shooting reportedly stemmed from a scuffle between Jefferson and Damien Neal, who is England‘s daughter’s boyfriend. ”

      http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20100408_11_A9_Aexcon194724&rss_lnk=11

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    • ashestoashes
      Posted on April 8, 2012 at 1:34pm

      To Jake England..You are a beautiful young man..created in the image of God..I am very sorry for the loss of both your dad and the mother of your child..It is deeply saddening..but Jake..you have your life ahead of you and you need to be there for your child..Please reach for a New King James version of the Bible and ask for the guidance of God’s Holy Spirit in reading it.. Life here is not fair..God never promised that it would be..Seek and you will find..Knock and the door will open.. ask and it shall be given to you..the Holy Spirit of God..Look toward the eternal kingdom of God Jake..where everything will be righted..and remember to forgive..for unless we do that..we cannot be forgiven..blessings to you Jake.

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on April 8, 2012 at 1:35pm

      Read the comments in the Tulsa World newspaper. The longer Obama is president the greater the race divide will be. Colin Powell or J.C. Watts could have done a better job than Obama.
      Representative West certainly could.

      http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20100408_11_A9_Aexcon194724&rss_lnk=11

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on April 8, 2012 at 1:43pm

      Pernell Demond Jefferson is accused of shooting Carl England, 47, during an ongoing fight at the Comanche Park apartment complex Monday night. England went to the neighborhood to help his daughter after Jefferson tried to break into her apartment, according to his arrest report.

      http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20100407_11_0_Amanwh826113

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    • Mapache
      Posted on April 8, 2012 at 1:52pm

      But we need to know….is he a WHITE-INDIAN?

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    • Unix
      Posted on April 8, 2012 at 2:03pm

      Sad story, and sadder still these people were killed and wounded. My heart goes out to the families of the dead and wounded, and to this kid, who took justice in his own hands. He will serve life, or die in the chair. What I don’t get is the killer of his father was sentenced for pointing a weapon, what about murder? Is there no justice in this country any longer? That is BS.

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    • teamarcheson
      Posted on April 8, 2012 at 2:37pm

      One of likely suspects looks like Zimmerman. Hmmmm.

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    • Mil-Dot
      Posted on April 8, 2012 at 3:29pm

      So this is what we have come to huh? People are not judged by their actions, they are judged by what they post on Facebook. Punished for your thoughts and words. Oh, but only if you are not a member of the protected group like blacks. Otherwise, say whatever you want.

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    • Cemoto78
      Posted on April 8, 2012 at 4:03pm

      Excellent post Redipatriot. God bless each and everyone of you on this most blessed day. And God bless America, we need you now more than ever.

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    • colt1860
      Posted on April 8, 2012 at 4:15pm

      FYI, the suspect is a self described Native American, he is not white. Will the MSM call him a white Native American?

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    • pwatkins
      Posted on April 8, 2012 at 6:50pm

      Thanks, pretty much sums up the issue here. My God be with us all.

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    • ProbIemSoIver
      Posted on April 8, 2012 at 10:54pm

      This kid should not have killed innocent people.

      He just needed to wait 2 more years if justice was not truely served.

      I don’t know the details of the case, but a charge of “pointing a firearm” when a death resulted, is very odd.

      This case coupled with the media will just incite more violence back and forth.
      It is the media that is stirring emotions. These cases happen everyday and 99.999% of them are not covered by the National News.

      We should be asking the media, “Why TREYVON?” and not some other Black kid that was shot by a Hispanic today? And the White guy that will be shot by a Asian guy tomorrow?
      “Why TREYVON”?

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    • ProbIemSoIver
      Posted on April 8, 2012 at 11:03pm

      The article said “expected to be charged with three counts of first-degree murder and two counts of shooting with intent to kill”

      Whoa Now !!!!!!

      As I see it, he should get 3 counts of “pointing a firearm”, and 2 counts of intent to “point a firearm”.

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    • cybiz777
      Posted on April 8, 2012 at 11:33pm

      Wait a minute….this guy got hit in the head with a baseball bat and went to get even. Carl then found this guy Jackson and hit him in the head again with a stick. What did he think was going to happen? Did he think the guy was going to let them hit him in the head all day. You might not want to got looking for trouble. But I’m tired of all these excuses for people doing stuff to innocent people. This happens everyday now, literally. All these people are talking about this kid having a tough life.Listen, if everyone who had a tough life did this, we would all be dead men.Lock him up and throw away the key.

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    • Queen405
      Posted on April 9, 2012 at 2:24am

      666SUCKS, The killer of England’s father has not went to court for that yet. The charge he is in prison for now (and due to release in 2014) is a crime he committed in 2007. England’s dad was killed in 2010. Jefferson was not convicted of the 2007 charge until 5/2010. I am pretty sure they are in the process of charging Jefferson with murder, so to all reading this, Jefferson‘s current incarceration is not for the murder of England’s father. (this is public record on both OSCN.net and DOC.STATE.OK.US.

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    • teamarcheson
      Posted on April 9, 2012 at 10:51am

      Its True But He Must Not Say It.

      What will happen when everyone begins to seek revenge against innocent black people for what certain blacks have done to our loved ones? Many white people have been harmed by blacks. The black leaders have stirred this up and may not realize what is coming. Americans one day realized that they could not make peace with or live with American Indians and decided to end them and put survivors on reservations.

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    • jlfonz
      Posted on April 9, 2012 at 11:59pm

      Based on the information from the report on how his father was killed–vigilante justice would have been justified if he’d been patient and killed this guy after he got out of prison. Frankly–based on the historic nature of the justice system being so lacksidasical with violent criminals it‘s amazing this doesn’t happen so often. The guy that killed his dad shouldn’t have been on the streets.

      http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20100408_11_A9_Aexcon194724&rss_lnk=11

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  • Hickory
    Posted on April 8, 2012 at 12:42pm

    The race baiters are starting something that will swirl out of control if they keep it up. There are forces in this country that have been contained and until recently were starting to subside. Now, the likes of Jackson and Sharpton are reigniting them. Remember: “They that sow the wind, shall reap the whirlwind.” If the MSM caters to the baiters, we will have a miserable summer.

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    • colt1860
      Posted on April 8, 2012 at 1:03pm

      The MSM choose which stories to report.

      “21-year-old Ethan Nichols and 18-year-old Carissa Horton, both white, were killed execution style in a racially motivated hate crime. It happened in Tulsa, Oklahoma last September. This crime was a “hush crime” that the media did not want to talk about.”

      http://www.fox23.com/news/local/story/Suspects-arrested-in-double-murder/i6A_KSxa1kyF2Pz_DIN29A.cspx

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    • Fireover
      Posted on April 8, 2012 at 1:43pm

      Another crime nobody ever heard about. Looks like if you want to kill white people
      move to tulsa you will do no or little time and the media will bury yhe story.

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    • ashestoashes
      Posted on April 8, 2012 at 1:48pm

      @COLT Think of the ones we don’t even know about.. I learned about many of them through true crime stories they aren’t prejudiced when it comes to murder ..Crime stats done by a black man in the FBI Blacks 6 or 7 times more likely to murder and approx 93% of the time they murder their own..

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    • ashestoashes
      Posted on April 8, 2012 at 1:56pm

      Correction..this may have been the Dept of Justice stats for a few yrs back in place of the FBI

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    • kasper512
      Posted on April 8, 2012 at 1:57pm

      let it come, I am getting old but I would like to be a part of the cure.

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    • Mil-Dot
      Posted on April 8, 2012 at 3:35pm

      What I don’t understand is the big “WHY” with regard to the media quashing news about black on white crime and heck, black crime in general. Why? Why would they try to bend the news to make it look like blacks are not a vicious criminal oriented race of beings? They and their loved ones have to walk among these dangerous creatures just like the rest of us. I am afraid that they have sold their souls for the oldest enticement known to man. A fricking paycheck. Sell out your fellow man for a little bit of money. Geez that is pathetic.

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    • colt1860
      Posted on April 8, 2012 at 4:14pm

      @Mil-Dot It’s more than money. They’ve got an agenda, albeit a Marxist one.

      Richard M. Cohen, Senior Producer of CBS political news, stated:

      “We are going to impose our agenda on the coverage by dealing with issues and subjects that we choose.”

      Richard Salant, former President of CBS News:

      “Our job is to give people not what they want, but what we decide they ought to have.”

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    • Zeus In A Speedo
      Posted on April 8, 2012 at 5:27pm

      The Zimmerman incident truly is the “Archduke Ferdinand moment” for the US. This will be known as the start of the 2nd US civil war. The msm is going to have field day with this tomorrow.

      Please, God, come back to our great nation and bless us. We need You more than ever.

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    • colt1860
      Posted on April 8, 2012 at 5:47pm

      @ZeusInASpeedo I agree. However, we as a nation should not be seeking blessings. THAT we’ve had in abundance already. We should seek reconciliation, humility, and repentance.

      Dear heavenly Father, we pray thee that thy hand protect us. Forgive us for our cowardice and ignorance in time past, have mercy on our souls, and accept us back into thy fold. We repent of our sins, and in our want of thy word, may we come back to thee. For without thy power, we are as the dust of the earth, trodden upon and rejected, naked and desolate. Turn not thy back unto us, but grant us mercy, and love, though thy wrath and punishment we ought to receive. May thy grace be forever with us. Forget not our fathers, who well knew thee, and thy saving grace. Forget not thy covenant with them, and save us from this impending doom. May our cries be heard, thy will done, and thy name always exalted above all things. Amen.

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    • Liberal_Teacher
      Posted on April 8, 2012 at 5:53pm

      @Colt1860 From the article you linked: “Police think Darren Price, 19, and Jerard Davis, 21, ambushed the couple to rob them.” Doesn’t sound racially motivated to me. Was that information somewhere in the article and I missed it?

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    • colt1860
      Posted on April 8, 2012 at 6:59pm

      That was one article. This is a story from last year. There were some, when the story was just recent, that reported that the PD was investigating this as a hate crime. Of course, the MSM with their baloney agenda came in, and insisted on their version of events, and once again, had an external influence, in a story that they shouldn’t have messed with. The MSM will always report these kind of stories as robberies, assaults, random attacks, etc. and never report it as a black on white crime. They’ll ignore the police report, if it’s not inline with their Marxist agenda.

      Take this report, wherein the St. Louis media censors race after a weekend of black rioting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWynK5Gsz6g

      There are videos of the mobs. They’re all black. http://bcove.me/vlwg5zza

      7 black California boys arrested in attack on teen: katu.com/news/national/7-California-boys-arrested-in-attack-on-teen-145286335.html

      Two killed, 12 wounded at Miami funeral
      miami.cbslocal.com/latest-videos?autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=6897875

      Black teen says “I’m not sorry” for beating 65 year old white man to death: youtube.com/watch?&v=CqWvLJHj6-I

      Black Trayvon protesters ransack store: youtube.com/watch?&v=YRQpMBQskT0

      The NY TIMES, LA TIMES, Washington Post, etc. have admitted to censoring race, that is, minority races, so that public won’t think ill of them.

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    • techengineer11
      Posted on April 9, 2012 at 8:01am

      colt1860
      Posted on April 8, 2012 at 4:14pm
      @Mil-Dot It’s more than money. They’ve got an agenda, albeit a Marxist one.

      Richard M. Cohen, Senior Producer of CBS political news, stated:

      “We are going to impose our agenda on the coverage by dealing with issues and subjects that we choose.”

      Richard Salant, former President of CBS News:

      “Our job is to give people not what they want, but what we decide they ought to have.”

      You know if there was one point that could sum up my biggest gripe on American politics today this would be it.. I‘ve been stating and shouting this in practically every post I’ve written since I’ve joined the Blaze and then this poster asks why the Media has chosen to hide Black violence and crime from the public…

      “Remember the Alamo!” That was a wake up call for the country back then. Today one only has to look at what the Media did to Sarah Palin in the past election.. Although I don’t particularly care for SPs Israel first politics, there’s no denying that the Media waged a full fledged assault on every aspect of her being. This Media in America is utterly sick disgusting and simply downright wicked to its very core!

      America’s #1 problem = Media in all its forms.. Until we solve the Media problem we will be running in circles.. Now again I don‘t support GBs Israel first policy or his Universalism but admire the fact that he’s going out on his own to make something happen.. Very bold & courageous.

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    • teamarcheson
      Posted on April 9, 2012 at 10:54am

      Blacks want the hatred because they believe the Government will protect them and disarm white people so blacks will be safe to do what they have been saying what they are going to do.

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  • cookcountypatriot
    Posted on April 8, 2012 at 12:34pm

    we live in a society where all faults lie with the white man…the media protects black people and even lies to do so…trayvon martin case is one of many instances…so white people are starting to feel and have felt like the targets of progessives and thier slave mentality for yrs now…hate against whites is being taught in our schools just like in nazi grmany in the 30,s,,msnbc dedicates its entire programming to white hate..this is thier tactic and it will get alot worse in the months to come…we cannot let them enrage us to retaliate…this is what they want..as a christian i know jesus is the only answer to combat this hate…please dont be tempted to strike out…know that we can do all things through christ who strenghtens us,,,the evil doers who you see all over the country on tv ,in our goverment will be delt with by our lord…miracles are happening as i write this…he is with us even until the end of time!

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    • hauschild
      Posted on April 8, 2012 at 12:58pm

      Yeah, and how’s all that been working out for us the past 30 years?

      The fact that people with a decent ability to reason will not accept the fact that their policies have been far worse than failures – they‘ve destroyed people’s lives in countless ways, and now the collateral damage has taken root and we’re seeing the results.

      How utterly disappointing. Liberals and progressives have ruined this nation.

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    • texasbeta
      Posted on April 8, 2012 at 2:43pm

      How comical…citing Christianity while spewing racist hate. Yes, racist hate. The nerve of you to actually defend the guys who drove around murdering black people because they were black is shocking. Go pat yourself on the back some more while you represent the worst of us.

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    • The Giver
      Posted on April 8, 2012 at 3:19pm

      Amen. God bless you. You are so right.

      @Texasbeta- you must yourself be full of hate to see hate in his/her post. Truth is not hate.

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    • Fireover
      Posted on April 8, 2012 at 3:23pm

      Something odd I never knew how racist I was until Obama was elected. Now I’m told ever day.

      Now I know that I am a white devil race baiting cr aker with inbreed hate for all people of color like white is not a color. Glad to know who I am.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Op-x7jy_ATk&feature=related

      Justice funny thing I have never done this to anybody yet I made him do it because I am white and racist what a world we live in.

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    • TheBurningTruth
      Posted on April 8, 2012 at 4:23pm

      Here’s what President Obama and the Democrats have taught me about racism:

      You’re a racist if any of the following apply:
      1) You‘re fiscally conservative and reject spending our grand kid’s future
      2) You believe in earning what you get, and NOT in getting what you didn’t earn
      3) You don’t expect to “start at the top” and don’t mind earning your way up the ladder over the years
      4) You believe everyone actually IS equal and that quotas and set-asides for “protected groups” is wrong
      5) You reject being responsible for what other people (especially 150 years ago) did
      6) You reject BIG government as the solution to everything, and you especially dislike paying for all the pork barrel and waste in govt
      7) You condemn looting and riots, especially when “the hungry poor” are carting off color TVs and stealing cars. (What kind of ant-acid do you take for “electronic indigestion” anyway?)

      And of course, you’re the worst kind of racist if you speak up about any of the double standards on the left.

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    • momrules
      Posted on April 8, 2012 at 5:05pm

      Cookcountypatriot……..excellent post

      Theburningtruth………..Well said.

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  • gemologist
    Posted on April 8, 2012 at 12:31pm

    I am saddened that they probably don‘t even realize how they’re adding to the race baiting that the media is pushing so hard right now. these killers just serve the purpose of the media to pit all of us against each other because we are different colors. this looks like the beginning of the great race war in 2012.

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  • doomytram
    Posted on April 8, 2012 at 12:29pm

    Sounds like they got the killer(s). The statement, from the story, below doesn’t make sense to me. The suspects Dad was killed, and the perp.Pernell Demond Jefferson was charged with pointing a firearm and is sentenced through Oct. 2014? Pernell must have had a good Attorney if he pointed a gun and shot and killed a man and just got charged and sentenced with Pointing a Gun? WTH.

    “The man arrested in Carl England’s death, Pernell Demond Jefferson, was charged with pointing a firearm and is serving a prison sentence through October 2014, the World reported. Jefferson is black”

    Blaze Can Esplain, no?

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    • Boycott the Media Let the People Decide
      Posted on April 8, 2012 at 12:33pm

      I would assume it was part of a plea deal and the cops probably didn’t have a lot of evidence. Pointing a firearm at someone is still a felony in OK.

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    • sawbuck
      Posted on April 8, 2012 at 12:50pm

      Carl England was The “DAD” of Jake England
      His son(Jake England) is one of the “alleged” shooters,
      who made the statement featured in the headlines .
      Carl England’s assailant was charged and convicted
      with “pointing a firearm” And was sentenced until
      October of 2014

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    • hauschild
      Posted on April 8, 2012 at 1:00pm

      Wow – a few years for murder? Liberals should be jumping with joy because their grand schemes and plans have come to fruition.

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    • gemologist
      Posted on April 8, 2012 at 4:57pm

      It is racist to think a black man should be charged with anything more than pointing a weapon in a killing an for a white person anything less than first degree murder, didn’t you get the memo?

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    • Liberal_Teacher
      Posted on April 8, 2012 at 5:47pm

      From the Tulsa World article posted earlier (http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20100408_11_A9_Aexcon194724&rss_lnk=11):

      “The shooting reportedly stemmed from a scuffle between Jefferson and Damien Neal, who is England‘s daughter’s boyfriend.

      Neal told officers that he hit Jefferson with a baseball bat before the attempted break-in, police said.

      Jefferson then left to find a gun, saying he would come back to “settle the dispute,” the report states. Meanwhile, England arrived and went looking for Jefferson with Neal.

      The men soon found him, and another confrontation unfolded. England struck Jefferson with a stick, and Jefferson shot him after falling to the ground, police allege.”

      Could be a plea deal. It could be that because England and Neal went looking for Jefferson and England struck him with a stick, they thought that Jefferson might be able to claim self-defense if the case went to trial.

      As a matter of fact, Okla.‘s Stand Your Ground law is essential a copy of Florida’s.

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    • Liberal_Teacher
      Posted on April 8, 2012 at 5:48pm

      From the Tulsa World article posted earlier (http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20100408_11_A9_Aexcon194724&rss_lnk=11):

      “The shooting reportedly stemmed from a scuffle between Jefferson and Damien Neal, who is England‘s daughter’s boyfriend.

      Neal told officers that he hit Jefferson with a baseball bat before the attempted break-in, police said.

      Jefferson then left to find a gun, saying he would come back to “settle the dispute,” the report states. Meanwhile, England arrived and went looking for Jefferson with Neal.

      The men soon found him, and another confrontation unfolded. England struck Jefferson with a stick, and Jefferson shot him after falling to the ground, police allege.”

      Could be a plea deal. It could be that because England and Neal went looking for Jefferson and England struck him with a stick, they thought that Jefferson might be able to claim self-defense if the case went to trial.

      As a matter of fact, Okla.‘s Stand Your Ground law is essentially a copy of Florida’s.

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    • Liberal_Teacher
      Posted on April 8, 2012 at 6:07pm

      @HausChild “Wow – a few years for murder? Liberals should be jumping with joy because their grand schemes and plans have come to fruition.”

      His light sentence was likely a result of the Stand Your Ground law, which is not, last I checked, something that most liberals support.

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    • SoupSammich
      Posted on April 8, 2012 at 10:16pm

      @ Lib Teach
      Yeh, libs only support stuff for libs, not for US in our entirity. Nice to see you admit your liberal mindset is pretty shallow, callous, jealous, envious, and duplicitous in nature. Remember, stand strong for liberalism, but don’t stand your ground as an individual.

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  • GenBurnside
    Posted on April 8, 2012 at 12:27pm

    Imagine where our country would be right now IF our leaders who “never let a serious crisis go to waste” had used these types of tragedies to UNIFY rather than alienate its own citizens…They are missing a great opportunity here.

    I know, I know, it does not fit in to “their” agenda.

    But where are the leaders of “our team” who could be out there exploiting this weakness on the left by appealing to the vast majority of our citizens that still views each of us in this country as brothers and sisters and grieve when ANY tragedy occurs?

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    • scudster
      Posted on April 8, 2012 at 1:03pm

      @ GenBurnside; A great point do you make.

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    • texasbeta
      Posted on April 8, 2012 at 2:47pm

      Brothers and sisters? Have you read the comments on this board? You are the most divisive hateful people in the country…are you kidding me?

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    • wdittgasn
      Posted on April 8, 2012 at 4:05pm

      Yes General that is a great point. And TexasBaiter SHUT UP!!! this was a good post, You are a divider and a Jerk!

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    • SoupSammich
      Posted on April 8, 2012 at 4:40pm

      Beta-
      Why are you trolling here then? No easter eggs in the multi culti basket for you this year and we get your attention instead? Keep it, your elitist attitude and keep stocking that white guilt up.

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  • wzanesdad
    Posted on April 8, 2012 at 12:24pm

    The man arrested in Carl England’s death, Pernell Demond Jefferson, was charged with pointing a firearm and is serving a prison sentence through October 2014, the World reported. Jefferson is black.
    Pointing a firearm?????? gets four years for murder…..no wonder the kid is so screwed up.

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    • Boycott the Media Let the People Decide
      Posted on April 8, 2012 at 12:28pm

      Yes in Oklahoma, even though they have the “stand your ground” law like Florida, if you point a firearm at someone without the immediate danger to your life it is a felony.

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    • deano24
      Posted on April 8, 2012 at 1:16pm

      I wonder why Mr. Jefferson wasn’t charged with murder or manslaughter. Serving a prison sentence through October 2014 isn’t a long time for what he did.

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    • Liberal_Teacher
      Posted on April 8, 2012 at 5:50pm

      It’s probably because Oklahoma has a Stand Your Ground law and Jefferson might have been able to invoke it.

      From the Tulsa World article posted earlier (http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20100408_11_A9_Aexcon194724&rss_lnk=11):

      “The shooting reportedly stemmed from a scuffle between Jefferson and Damien Neal, who is England‘s daughter’s boyfriend.

      Neal told officers that he hit Jefferson with a baseball bat before the attempted break-in, police said.

      Jefferson then left to find a gun, saying he would come back to “settle the dispute,” the report states. Meanwhile, England arrived and went looking for Jefferson with Neal.

      The men soon found him, and another confrontation unfolded. England struck Jefferson with a stick, and Jefferson shot him after falling to the ground, police allege.”

      Could be a plea deal. It could be that because England and Neal went looking for Jefferson and England struck him with a stick, they thought that Jefferson might be able to claim self-defense if the case went to trial.

      As a matter of fact, Okla.‘s Stand Your Ground law is essentially a copy of Florida’s.

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    • Liberal_Teacher
      Posted on April 8, 2012 at 6:03pm

      @Boycott He might well have had reason to believe he was in danger of his life. The person he shot confronted him and hit him with a stick first. I am not saying the killing was justified, just that these are the kinds of legal problems that the Stand Your Ground law causes. The prosecutor likely knew it would be difficult to get a conviction of murder and decided to offer a plea deal instead.

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  • sawbuck
    Posted on April 8, 2012 at 12:22pm

    That’s why we are to “forgive our enemies” .
    Jesus knows the flesh we fight against and In order to have any kind of
    relationship with him we have to forgive . We must “dump the burden” or
    its turns our soul into a festering heap.
    To forgive someone ..gives our hearts room for Love. This “act” is more
    for the person that has been wronged ,than it is for the person ,that did the act ,
    that caused the pain, in the first place.
    It never works out well for the person carrying this hate/hurt/pain…
    .Dump it and give it to the Lord Jesus
    He can handle it..!

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  • zippo
    Posted on April 8, 2012 at 12:22pm

    I think things are only going to get worse. It sucks thinking that way, but there really doesn’t seem to be any solutions for the racial issues. The only way to solve this problem is for people to just respect each other, and “ Just get along” famous quote from Rodney King. That will only happen after the return of Christ. For now hold on tight, beacuse were in for a hell of a ride!!

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    • wdittgasn
      Posted on April 8, 2012 at 4:14pm

      And what a ride that will be. For before Christ returns 90% yes 90% of the population of the earth will die. For unless those days were cut short, NO flesh would be left alive. So yes it will be one hell of a ride.

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  • John-Mary
    Posted on April 8, 2012 at 12:16pm

    My brother was killed by a white man, I’m not out getting racist revenge. Just saying.

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    • LANE131
      Posted on April 8, 2012 at 2:19pm

      @JOHN-MARY And what was your brother doing to get killed by a white man? Can you answer honest?

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  • Watson
    Posted on April 8, 2012 at 12:16pm

    This is what Obama does best… cause racial division,gender division..“divide and conquer”..he is inflamming the Nation..but he will reap what he sows…God bless this Nation, as we worship the 2000 year old promise and miracle from our Creator.

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    • VanceUppercut
      Posted on April 8, 2012 at 12:50pm

      @Watson

      Explain dinosaurs.

       
    • Walkabout
      Posted on April 8, 2012 at 1:10pm

      Dinosaurs explained. God created evolution, which is not hard for an omniscient, ominpotent being.

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    • wdittgasn
      Posted on April 8, 2012 at 4:29pm

      This is just speculation: For sure Lucifer and the angels were on this earth long, long before man ever was. It is possible that God allowed them some creational exploits. Then they rebelled and destroyed the earth. There are eons of time between Gen 1 and Gen 2. It should also be translated (the earth BECAME void and waste). Sin destroys. The angels sins caused the earth to become in that decayed state. The creating described in Genesis is a restoring of the face of the earth for man to live. Psalm 104:30 You send forth your spirit, they are created; AND YOU RENEW THE FACE OF THE EARTH.

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    • wdittgasn
      Posted on April 8, 2012 at 4:43pm

      OH, The only part that is speculation the the part about Lucifer creating dinosaurs, just a thought. The rest of the post is Truth!

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    • Cesium
      Posted on April 9, 2012 at 1:08am

      @WDITTSN Please seek mental health help. Do not harm anyone.

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  • Magyar
    Posted on April 8, 2012 at 12:15pm

    Certainly revenge is not the answer but for GOD! Unfortunately, WHITES have been systematically pushed aside by blacks, OWEbama, Holder, Jacka$$, Al and the likes of the NBPs… This is what you foster when you become a nation of men instead of a nation of laws. It’s only going to get worse before it gets better–

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  • BO_Bill
    Posted on April 8, 2012 at 12:14pm

    Ummm, mister police man, Jake England isn’t white. He is an American Indian. OK, if you must, a white-meso-American. In Mexico the term is ‘Mezito’.

    Those who wish to shape our ideas commonly refer to ‘white’ crime rates. When you see this media tactic, I suggest that you consider the Texas 10 Most Wanted Fugitives Poster . This is the no-kidding real thing, from Glenn Beck’s state. 5 of the 10 Texas most wanted are white males. Here are their names:

    Anthony Gonzalez, white male
    Gaspar Loya, white male
    Rene Munoz, white male
    Javier Morin, white male
    Ernesto Garcia, white male

    You have to see the pictures at the link.

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  • conservativewoman
    Posted on April 8, 2012 at 12:10pm

    Forgiveness is for the forgiver. Another lesson in why we should forgive.

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  • Boycott the Media Let the People Decide
    Posted on April 8, 2012 at 12:09pm

    Indians aren’t rednecks, you redneck lol

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  • Boycott the Media Let the People Decide
    Posted on April 8, 2012 at 12:08pm

    “Though police have identified both England and Watts as white, authorities have not described the shootings as racially-motivated, according to the Associated Press.”

    Really? Do the police work for NBC? England is not white, he is Indian. Just as one of his friends described him in one of the FB posts………Must be like Zimmerman a “white-Indian” to promote the white on black crime. Everyone please thank the media and the Tulsa P.D. for hyping up the race war!

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    • Mapache
      Posted on April 8, 2012 at 2:02pm

      He is white unless he needs to open a business or a casino….THEN he is a Native American.

      As Custer told his men, “Hey, We’re surrounded by a bunch of angry White guys!”

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  • TexasHunter
    Posted on April 8, 2012 at 12:08pm

    One doesn’t look white to me.. Are we going to make a new race again?

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    • CatB
      Posted on April 8, 2012 at 12:13pm

      Looks that way doesn’t it.

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    • HorseCrazy
      Posted on April 8, 2012 at 12:16pm

      yes they sure are. if they weren‘t white it wouldn’t fit their agenda. not like they report the daily black on black crime nationally when almost white people do it then its front page news. ***glad these idiots are caught

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    • burnteye86
      Posted on April 8, 2012 at 1:47pm

      He was a White Native American

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  • doublej702002
    Posted on April 8, 2012 at 12:06pm

    Revenge? So, if a black man kills one of my loved ones, I get revenge by killing innocent black people?

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    • HorseCrazy
      Posted on April 8, 2012 at 12:18pm

      yes thats idiot logic. people usually have something insane just under the surface, then when something happens they use it to justify their bad behavior. think drugs addicts how everything is everyone elses fault. glad these tools are in jail. prayers for the victims families and that sweet innocent child now without a father

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    • AxelPhantom
      Posted on April 8, 2012 at 12:26pm

      Collective salvation, collective guilt; an unfortunate by product of progressive mindset.

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  • momrules
    Posted on April 8, 2012 at 12:02pm

    Remember folks, these two men are SUSPECTS. They have not finished their investigation yet.

    Let’s wait for more information, more proof……………no rush to judgement this time around. Then if they are proven guilty in a court of law let’s hope they both get the punishment they will deserve.

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    • ChiefGeorge
      Posted on April 8, 2012 at 12:10pm

      I’m glad they are locked up and may justice be served on them. They got justice as their fathers killer is locked up! They let hate get to them and they killed people who had nothing to do with their fathers murder. Shame!

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    • techengineer11
      Posted on April 8, 2012 at 1:08pm

      ChiefGeorge
      Posted on April 8, 2012 at 12:10pm
      I’m glad they are locked up and may justice be served on them. They got justice as their fathers killer is locked up! They let hate get to them and they killed people who had nothing to do with their fathers murder. Shame!

      The father’s murderer is locked up for all of 4 years. Doesn’t sound like Justice to me. Wonder how you’d feel if your mother or father was murdered and the perp got 4 years?

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    • Bruce P.
      Posted on April 8, 2012 at 4:21pm

      Techengineer, that his father’s murderer is only locked-up for four years does not justify the murder of innocent people.

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    • techengineer11
      Posted on April 8, 2012 at 4:39pm

      Bruce P.
      Posted on April 8, 2012 at 4:21pm
      Techengineer, that his father’s murderer is only locked-up for four years does not justify the murder of innocent people.

      I did not say it did and I don’t believe it does… I was simply pointing out the obvious error in George‘s logic saying that the kid had received justice by having the perpetrator of his father’s murder locked up…
      It was really a mere slap in the face of the father’s loved ones. I understand there frustration entirely.. Maybe this kid will only get 5-10 years since that seems to be the going rate for cold blooded murder these days.

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    • ashestoashes
      Posted on April 8, 2012 at 5:00pm

      @BRUCE P Tech didn’t say that it justified the boys killing of those people..he actually spoke against it..if you reread his post… Tech said nothing wrong.

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  • cgnick
    Posted on April 8, 2012 at 11:58am

    How many Blaze readers will applaud these two? Whether they post it or not.

     
    • JustJason
      Posted on April 8, 2012 at 12:02pm

      None.

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    • TheePolitinator
      Posted on April 8, 2012 at 12:03pm

      Obviously your an implant. Keep up the great divide. Merely because a person is a Blazer they are now dubbed closet racists. Why don’t you try to become part of the solution and not the problem. Grow up.

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    • MichiganDave310613
      Posted on April 8, 2012 at 12:14pm

      What a ignorant statement

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    • DeathRattle
      Posted on April 8, 2012 at 12:25pm

      Not one person that reads the Blaze would applaud the murder of innocents by deranged people. Unfortunately to many on the right and the left have an image in their mind of the people on the other side. This pigeon-holing that the media tries to portray does nothing but fuel the anger.

      I pray there are enough level headed people out there on both sides to turn things around in this next election. Regardless of what happens I know where I stand with God, and I know he is in full control. Anyone out there that doesn’t know Him, it’s not yet too late, get yourselves right. There is a peace upon entering God’s rest.

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    • dblaess
      Posted on April 8, 2012 at 12:38pm

      Most likely only you as this question is obviously a projection on your part. Are you a racist or just trying to incite racism? I understand there are now neo nazis in Florida to incite racial tension, what Al Sharpton started and you are trying to continue here.

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    • Captain Crunch
      Posted on April 8, 2012 at 1:00pm

      If you are going to paint everyone with a broad brush you should paint yourself in the center of that portrait….you can entitle it “Extreme Ignorance”. Screw you and the ship of fools you sailed in on.

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    • JACKTHETOAD
      Posted on April 8, 2012 at 1:11pm

      @VANCESUCKERPUNCH – You really need to look into getting that 11 lb. tumor on your shoulders removed.

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    • 338lapua
      Posted on April 8, 2012 at 1:19pm

      ….zero. We are still analyzing the brevity of available data. The perpetrator was Native American/branded white. Sound familiar. I feel very strongly that real Blazers(unlike yourself) will question with boldness and arive at their own conclusions much like the Zimmerman case in Fla.
      You didn’t really deserve a good answer, but you got one. Now get with the program, or go away!

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on April 8, 2012 at 1:27pm

      hey CGNICK the progressive

      I have biracial children. I say that often I know, but I do so to establish my bona fide desire to live in a multiracial country where there is peace & justice.

      Your trolling playing the race card & generally bashing conservatives & libertarians does not help.

      Let me repeat “it does not help” & I will not forget.

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    • MyzPhoenyx
      Posted on April 8, 2012 at 3:13pm

      Ok, you made me laugh. Not in a good way either. Most of us won’t support “white” ( white -indian in this case I guess ) people that commit these kinds of crimes. If they did it, I hope that they are imprisoned for the rest of their lives. Or maybe they can get 4 years per death for “pointing a firearm”. Come on, we won’t go rally around murderers. We’re not the Black Panthers that protect the worst of the worst among them. We’re not Al Not-so-sharpton or Jessi Jack@zz that leap to stupid conclusions based singularly on the race of those involved.
      So, in short, no. I will not stand with murderers, no matter the color of the skin.
      And by the way, I feel that we are all American-American. If the let the class warfare and race baiters win, there will be no America.

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    • ashestoashes
      Posted on April 8, 2012 at 5:16pm

      How many will applaud these two? Ha ha.. I will say that I understand this young man’s anguish and grief.. after all..it was a black perpetrator who was endangering the lives of his sister and child. I do not speak about all blacks..as I know a handful of great black people I know there are a great many throughout the world.. I had an Asian who ran a school tell me that he knew a black man from Ethiopia who came to college here..the black man told him that the blacks from here were very evil.. The common denominator in all good people is our Lord and Savior Jesus (Yeshua) and I praise YAWVEH for their salvation..The blacks in Haiti and Africa were known for voodoo..and that may be the reason for the curse of their unsaved..being robbers..and murderers..for their father is the devil.

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  • SAVAGEONE
    Posted on April 8, 2012 at 11:56am

    19 and Life!! Tragic occurrence…

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  • purplehippo
    Posted on April 8, 2012 at 11:49am

    So sad. Another vicious circle has come around. Vengence is mine saith the Lord.

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  • bustedupvet
    Posted on April 8, 2012 at 11:44am

    He said it like it is, no lipstick on or about the loser who shot his Dad. Good for you!! Use your freedom of speech and damn political correct garbage!!

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    • Chet Hempstead
      Posted on April 8, 2012 at 4:32pm

      If he had written “My father died because he brought a stick to a gunfight,” that would also be telling it like it is, and he would have been less likely to shoot five innocent people and wind up in jail.

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  • Stoic one
    Posted on April 8, 2012 at 11:41am

    Revenge is not the solution.

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    • HorseCrazy
      Posted on April 9, 2012 at 1:05am

      revenge is mine says the Lord. anger hate bitterness none of it is the answer, it is just the easy way. forgiveness love compassion and undertsand, that is where it gets rough

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    • Chet Hempstead
      Posted on April 9, 2012 at 3:49am

      I got nothing against revenge if you exact it on the actual person who wronged you. Shooting five random black people because a black crook shot your dad is no more rational than shooting the drivers of the next five cars that come down your block because you lost someone to a drunk driver.

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  • barber2
    Posted on April 8, 2012 at 11:40am

    Reminds me of the two things all of these – black and white – racists share : hate and anger. Both always lead to death and destruction. Our Occupies have the same base.

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    • CatB
      Posted on April 8, 2012 at 11:51am

      Agree .. and when those at the top keep pushing .. this is what happens with someone who is not to tightly wrapped and has been pushed over the edge.

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    • TheePolitinator
      Posted on April 8, 2012 at 12:34pm

      Yeah and I have been saying pre Obama this was going to end up a race war. They need to bring the top down and this is a tool of choice for marxists.

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    • Cruelnunusual
      Posted on April 9, 2012 at 3:43am

      So, you’re saying the 98% of blacks who voted for Obama, and will vote for him again, and who are obviously motivated by race and therefore “racist”, are full of hate and anger? Isn’t that racist of you?

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