Fact Check: Romney Accuses Obama of Crony Capitalism — What’s the Full Story?
- Posted on July 18, 2012 at 3:24pm by
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Speaking in Irwin, Penn., on Tuesday, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney accused President Barack Obama of engaging in “crony capitalism” and used the financially unhealthy and notoriously unstable Fisker Automotive as an example.
“I am ashamed to say that we’re seeing our president hand out money to the businesses of campaign contributors, when he gave money, $500 million in loans to a company called Fisker that makes high-end electric cars, and they make the cars now in Finland,” Romney said.
“That is wrong and it’s got to stop. That kind of crony capitalism does not create jobs and it does not create jobs here,” he added.
Before we go any further, let’s review what we know about Fisker Automotive:
1. Fisker was awarded a $529 million federal loan guarantee in April 2010
2. $193 million was distributed to the auto manufacturer to produce two lines of plug-in hybrid cars
3. The company was unable to find a contract manufacturer in the United States, so it outsourced assembly jobs to Finland (the company denies the charge that it used any part of the federal loan to fund manufacturing operations in Finland)
4. The automaker fell behind its production schedule and experienced “delays” in sales (i.e. poor sales), depleting its capital
5. But to qualify for the rest of the $529 million loan guarantee, the company must maintain a certain amount of capital
6. Therefore, in order to meet this DOE benchmark, Fisker Automotive figured it would save cash by firing employees in February and then again in April
Does the Fisker investment seem like a terrible investment? Absolutely. Is this a clear cut case of “crony capitalism” as Romney says it is? Let’s investigate.
“Campaign Contributors”:
A large part of Romney’s accusation deals with John Doerr, a venture capitalist at Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers.
“You know you have John Doerr who raised a lot of money for President Obama, you know, got appointed to an economic recovery advisory board,” Romney senior adviser Ed Gillespie said.
“And, then, his firm had a big investment in Fisker Automotive which got over half a billion dollars in loan guarantees from the Department of Energy, which did not result in jobs being created in America, but actually jobs being created overseas in Finland, but Kleiner Perkins did quite well,” he added.
Because Doerr helped raise money for President Obama, the administration shoveled cash into his firm’s investment, right?
There may be some problems with this claim.
“First of all, the Kleiner partner mostly closely associated with the Fisker investment is Ray Lane,” writes the Washington Post Fact Checker’s Glenn Kessler.
“The contributions database at OpenSecrets.org shows that Lane contributes to some Democrats but mostly Republicans — and he gave money to Rudolph Guiliani and John McCain in 2008, not Barack Obama,” Kessler adds.
Lane also gave money to former President George W. Bush and failed presidential candidate Bob “Viagra” Dole.
Still, as Kessler notes, Lane’s a bit sweet on the president because of his “willingness to back alternative energy ventures,” saying it would be “silly” to think that a car company could get started without government assistance.
Furthermore, the Fact Checker had to update its original analysis to include the following:
1. Doerr is listed on Kleiner’s “Greentech” team
2. He argued before Congress in January, 2009, that “green” technology was the ticket to economic recovery
3. President Obama relied on Doerr, among others, for “green” energy advice
But although Doerr’s chumminess with the White House does raise an eyebrow or two, it doesn’t definitively prove “crony capitalism” was the reason the Obama administration awarded Fisker its loan in 2010.
Problems With the Time Line:
Two more arguments against the Romney accusation, via the Post:
1. “Kleiner raised venture capital for Fisker before Obama became president”
2. Fisker applied for a loan while George W. Bush was president
True, Fisker raised venture capital in 2008, just months before President Obama’s inauguration, and applied for the loan while Bush was still in office, but the automaker was still awarded over $500 million in loans guarantees by the Obama administration.
In fact, at the time of the awarding, it seemed like the Obama administration was more than willing to take full credit for the Fisker investment.
Nevertheless, there still isn’t a “smoking gun” (i.e. emails, phone records, etc.) to prove Fisker got its loan through “crony capitalism.”
Making Cars in Finland:
“Fisker spokesman Roger Ormisher said that the Energy Department knew from the beginning that the Karma cars would be produced in Finland, by a contract manufacturer, with about 50 percent of the value of the car sourced from American suppliers,” the Fact Checker explains.
“He said the entire loan has been used for design and engineering work in the United States, and the actual production in Finland was paid for by private investors,” it adds.
Assuming Ormisher is telling the truth, this means the DOE and Fisker knew well before April, 2010, that assembly jobs would go to Finland. This seems odd considering the fact that it wasn’t until October 2011, that they decided to tell the American taxpayers about this.
“With the approval of the Obama administration, an electric car company that received a $529 million federal government loan guarantee is assembling its first line of cars in Finland, saying it could not find a facility in the United States capable of doing the work,” ABC News reported 18 months after Fisker was awarded the loan.
“There was no contract manufacturer in the U.S. that could actually produce our vehicle,” the car company’s founder and namesake told ABC News. “They don’t exist here.”
Again, this isn’t necessarily “crony capitalism.” But it’s most certainly a rotten business investment.
Obama Gave $500 Million:
Romney is technically incorrect when he says President Obama gave $500 million in loans to Fisker. True, about that much was approved, but as we mentioned in the above, only part of the loan has been distributed. The rest was frozen when Fisker was unable to meet certain DOE benchmarks.
Conclusion:
So how does the Fact Checker score Romney’s “crony capitalism” claim?
Doerr is an important partner at Kleiner and he has been an advocate for green energy, but it is a stretch to say it is his “business.” In fact, Ray Lane, who contributes mostly to Republicans, is an important Kleiner partner on this deal. Moreover, the money was raised before Obama became president.
Romney said Obama gave “$500 million in loans to a company called Fisker” — but it was a loan originally submitted under the Bush administration for a Bush administration program. He also said “they make cars now in Finland” –technically true, but in a way that suggests the taxpayer money went for that purpose, rather than for jobs and work in the United States.
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Romney’s phrasing has too many weasel words. An ordinary listener would believe that Obama paid off a contributor to build cars in Finland with U.S. taxpayer money, with no hope of U.S. jobs being created. That does not appear to be the case, at least as Romney has framed it.
They award the Romney accusation a full four Pinocchios.
Final thought: Considering that Romney can’t actually prove “crony capitalism” was behind the final awarding of the Fisker loan, we can’t exactly fault the Fact Checker for its thumbs down. However, considering that last week they let the “Romney Could Totally a Felon” claim slip by with only three Pinocchios, we feel their final rating is a wee bit strong.
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jsciai
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 5:45pmI’ve heard that ron paul has a plurality of deletantes that he is going to present at the convention. WHAZZUP WID DAT???!!!
Report Post »Brother Winston Smith
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 5:55pmSHHHHH, DAMMIT! Go back to sleep….
Report Post »jsciai
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 5:58pm**NEWSFLASH: MORE INFO ON THE PAUL/DELETANTE SCANDAL**
Report Post »According to west coast patriot, the deletantes come from 6-7 different states which brings forth the question: Does transporting deletantes across state lines for the purpose of an illegal law suit constitute a crime?
MORE TO FOLLOW
DRAGONSEED
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 6:03pm“deletantes”??
Report Post »jsciai
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 6:13pmDRAGONSEED
Report Post »I’m just ragging on WPC–check him out below–and his constant and nauseating posts about unbound delegates, and plurality of delegates and lawsuits for delegates, etc. It’s just too much of a temptation not to liven it up a bit.
Brother Winston Smith
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 6:30pmPropaganda disguised as impotent humor is the last gasp. DRAGONSEED. The Establishment folk KNOW they’re finished. It‘s EXACTLY LIKE the last scene in the 80’s movie Predator. The beast KNOWS it just got stomped… but is so childish… such a sore loser… it just snickers and clicks a self destruct button – as if to say “If I can’t have victory, NOBODY CAN!!” Like a public union worker or a democrat. VERY spoiled and selfish.
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 7:31pm@jsciai
Report Post »You must not like Romney much – cuz you are always talking about Ron Paul
West Coast Patriot
Posted on July 19, 2012 at 3:55amJSCIAI, I posted it again below and will continue to post the truth as long as I want. Are you guys getting a little worried? You should be. I turned on Fox News to get a laugh tonight and that is exactly what I got. The Republican Party is becoming a joke with the likes of all you New World Republicans. You have been lead by the nose to a point that you could not see the truth if it walked up and bit you on the @ss. Oh, well, as Brother Smith says, Shhhhhh, go back to sleep.
Report Post »jsciai
Posted on July 19, 2012 at 6:24amBro. winston
Report Post »Hmmm. Now let me get this right. The republicans(I’ll interject Romney here for the sake of comparison) are the defeated Predator, and um, ron paul is?????? I think your analogy is as skewed as your logic. If anyone is snickering and hitting the self destruct button it’s you obamaton paulbots who would prefer obama over Romney. Talk about sore losers! Your last words in your post describe EXACTLY what you paulbots are doing, not the republicans. That‘s why folks just can’t get behind you guys. You’re just not existing in reality. But, that’s okay. Just go back to the couch, pull up a netflix movie–maybe Predator II?, and open the cheetos bag. Before you know it Romney will be president and we’ll start turning all this around.
Dragonseed–yeah, ‘deletante’ is not a real word, but the paulbots didn’t catch it!
jsciai
Posted on July 19, 2012 at 7:35am********IMPORTANT UPDATE: PAUL/DELETANTE SCANDAL****************
Our man on the WEST COAST has reported that many of Paul’s deletantes were actually BOUND but have since been freed(thankfully they weren’t gagged, though the rest of us are gagging). Accounts of threats, coercion and intimidation alleged. They are planning to sue in the 9TH “FRIGGIN” CIRCUIT COURT for illegal imprisonment.
Al Sharpton was reported to have said: “I can become President because I never had a stunt man do my dirty work.”
While Ron Paul opined: ‘I’d like to think of myself as the flavor of the decade.’
The Romney camp has no comment at this time.
More from the WEST COAST to follow.
Report Post »Brother Winston Smith
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 5:12pmCroni-capitalism?
Mitt Romney – CHECK!
Barack Obama – CHECK!
Ron Paul – HELL NO! American FREE-MARKET, BABY!!!!!
Let freedom ring in Tampa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Report Post »PATTY HENRY
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 5:26pmGet your head on straight Winton. MITT deserves ALL our help unless you like that dope in the WH.
Report Post »Brother Winston Smith
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 5:34pmActually, PATTY HENRY, if the LEFTIST, SOCIALIST, PROGRESSIVE GOP CHEAT-nominates LEFTIST, SOCIALIST, PROGRESSIVE Mitt Romney… THEY, I repeat, THEY will have just reelected Obama, by splitting the conservative vote… just like the successfully did in 08 to ELECT him.
WE MUST STOP THE GOP FROM REELECTING OBAMA!!!!!!!!!
Report Post »Ron Paul 2012! NO EXCUSES!
jsciai
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 5:42pmpatty henry,
Report Post »Sorry, you’re wasting your breath. These obamaton paulbots are a lots cause. It is their religion and they are the zealots who burn the innocent at the stake. No rationalizing with them. The good news is that 70-80% of Dr. Paul’s supporters will vote for Gov Romney when Dr. Paul endorses him and supports his candidacy for president. Unfortunately, the zealots would rather go down with the ship than see reason or reality. It’s just the way it is.
Brother Winston Smith
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 5:54pm@jsciai
ALINSKYITE SMEARING:
“These obamaton paulbots are a lots cause. It is their religion and they are the zealots who burn the innocent at the stake.”
LIE:
“The good news is that 70-80% of Dr. Paul’s supporters will vote for Gov Romney”
TRUTH:
Most Liberty folks HATE, AND WILL NEVER VOTE FOR, leftist Mitt Romney.
EVIDENCE:
Cutiepie AmandaBillyrock:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOFZyezPenE
Fire-breathing TMOT:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssYIOOaRHZ0
LIE:
“when Dr. Paul endorses him and supports his candidacy for president.”
TRUTH:
Ron Paul has REPEATEDLY REJECTED Romney.
LIE:
Report Post »“Unfortunately, the zealots would rather go down with the ship than see reason or reality. It’s just the way it is.”
TRUTH:
It is THE GOP who will “go down with the ship” (as they did in 08) if they succeed in CHEAT-nominating leftist Romney.
Individualism
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 7:19pmPatt henry you should read the book of mormon and see what it says about you people.
Report Post »therealconservative
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 7:50pmRon Paul – Wasting taxpayer money on earmarks , HELL YES.
Report Post »historyguy48
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 8:07pmComrade, could you please explain to poor, ignorant me just how God Ron Paul will be able to change anything? Is it his force of personality? is it his personal goons? Does he even have personal goons?
Report Post »Folks, the truth of this is that THIS ISN’T FIXABLE!
I don’t care who becomes president (except for our Communist Dear Leader) this is not fixable!
Brother Winston Smith
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 8:33pmOooopsy, therealconservative. Lying is an embarrassing “tell” of FEAR. No, actually Ron Paul relays the requests of HIS CONSTITUENTS (his job as rep)… BUT NEITHER SUPPORTS NOR VOTES FOR ANY PORK. STELLAR integrity.
Try another? Lemme warn you, friend… I’ll have an answer quicker than you can say “neocon.”
Report Post »therealconservative
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 8:58pm@brother
Oooopsy, brother. Lying is an embarrassing
$8 million from federal taxpayers for Recreational Fishing Piers.
Report Post »$2.5 million from taxpayers for “new benches, trash receptacles, bike racks, decorative street lighting.”
$2.5 million from taxpayers to modify medians and sidewalks for an “Economically Disadvantaged” area.
$2.5 million from federal taxpayers for a “Revelation Missionary Baptist Community Outreach Center.”
$38 million in multiple requests for literacy programs to “encourage parents to read aloud to their children.”
$18 million from federal taxpayers for a Commuter Rail Preliminary Engineering Phase (light rail).
$4 million from federal taxpayers for the “Trails and Sidewalks Connectivity Initiative.”
$11 million from federal taxpayers for a “Community-Based Job Training Program.”
$2 million from federal taxpayers for a “Clean Energy” pilot project.
$5 million from federal taxpayers in order to build a parking garage.
$1.2 million for a “Low-income working families Day Care Program”
$4.5 million from federal taxpayers for a new Youth Fair facility.
justangry
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 9:14pmWow… Worrying about earmarks and sticking up for a draft dodging gun grabbing. Are you sure you’re a conservative?
Report Post »Brother Winston Smith
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 9:28pmAnd, therealconservative… which one did Paul SUPPORT or VOTE FOR?
Report Post »therealconservative
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 9:33pm@just
Show us were Romney was a dodger.
Report Post »therealconservative
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 9:38pm@bro
Wrong Paul introduced All of them
Report Post »justangry
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 9:41pmWhat, you can’t type “Romney” “draft” into Google and hit enter?
Report Post »justangry
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 9:46pmOk, here’s a picture of Romney protesting the draft before he ran off to Paris. I just couldn’t resist posting this one.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/07/08/1107400/-Remember-that-time-Mitt-Romney-Protested-FOR-the-Vietnam-Draft
Report Post »justangry
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 9:47pmMeh, that last one is misleading. I appologize. He’s still a draft deferring gun grabber though.
Report Post »therealconservative
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 9:57pm@just
Not surprised that you went to Daily KOs for your info, but “IF” (wink wink) true that would make him YOUR man, anti-war.
Report Post »justangry
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 10:34pmI‘m not against war if it’s to protect our freedom and Constitution and appologized for that last source. I think you‘d find I’m extremely militant when I believe the cause is just. (I was all for Afganistan and think we should went in harder and left them in the rubble to think about it) That being said, Romney did take a bunch of deferments for “missionary work” in France.
Report Post »Brother Winston Smith
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 10:37pmOooopsy dooopsy, therealconservative…
to review… Ron Paul RELAYS HIS CONSTITUENTS REQUESTS (his job), BUT NEITHER SUPPORTS NOR VOTES FOR THEM…
So… I’ll try again… WHICH ITEM DID RON PAUL VOTE FOR?
Report Post »NeoFan
Posted on July 19, 2012 at 12:53amRon Paul is taking Soros money so all your BS about him being a patriot make you look really stupid.
Report Post »West Coast Patriot
Posted on July 19, 2012 at 3:59amPattyHenry, No, Ron Paul needs all of you to wake the heII up, The country needs all your help. Romney will lose to Obama. I cannot help it he will not win, but he is despised by more than you are aware. He cannot even get 100% of Republicans behind him, how is he ever going to get the rest? He won’t.
Report Post »West Coast Patriot
Posted on July 19, 2012 at 4:10amNEOFAN, That is absolutely not true and you know it. Lies like this from MSM sources, establishment reporters, is even beneath people like you. Soros does not promote candidates that are for individual liberty. Facts should make you realize truths, if your brain has the capacity to recognize truth.
Report Post »West Coast Patriot
Posted on July 19, 2012 at 4:52amHistoryGuy, You are right, our economy is going to crash big time, ( http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/breakout/america-heading-towards-collapse-worse-2008-europe-says-155504860.html ) but I would rather have a POTUS and hopefully, Congressmen that actually believe in the Bill of Rights when this tragedy happens. Not a candidate that believes in the Patriot Act, NDAA as it was written, taking assault weapons off the market, etc…. At least with Ron Paul he has an A+ with Gun Owners of America (the only one) and is ALL FOR repealing the Patriot Act and NDAA, and as that goes, all unconstitutional bills ever written. At least Paul is not in this for power as he has promised to only use his pen to sign one executive order, to cancel every executive order ever signed. I am not sure if America could handle a decent honest President. It is sad.
Report Post »West Coast Patriot
Posted on July 19, 2012 at 5:19amhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suOds5C4DI8&feature=youtu.be
Report Post »jsciai
Posted on July 19, 2012 at 6:38amWCP–I checked out your video reference and you know what I found? The typical cut and paste propoganda vid with a voice over from a guy that sounded like he was in his mom’s basement. Just what I expected to find. These vids are all the same–vid blips of violence interjected with serene panoramic shots followed by jack booted police followed by images of paulbots. Not once in the vid( I could be wrong here since I didn’t have 13 min to waste) did I hear Ron Paul’s own voice. obama would be proud of the vid maker. This was the quintessential HOPE and CHANGE drivel we got 4 years ago.
Report Post »jsciai
Posted on July 19, 2012 at 6:50am@Brother Winston Smith
Report Post »Posted on July 18, 2012 at 8:33pm
Oooopsy, therealconservative. Lying is an embarrassing “tell” of FEAR. No, actually Ron Paul relays the requests of HIS CONSTITUENTS (his job as rep)… BUT NEITHER SUPPORTS NOR VOTES FOR ANY PORK. STELLAR integrity.
Try another? Lemme warn you, friend… I’ll have an answer quicker than you can say “neocon.”
——————————————————-
Hmmmm. Ok bro winston. Let me get this straight. Ron Paul doens’t support any pork. BUT he has the obligation to present his ‘constituent’s’ requests as add-on ons to bills he won’t support but he knows will get passed. Soooooo, he doesn’t support the constituents he was elected to support, and he knows the pork he put in the bills will get appropriated. If that is STELLAR INTEGRITY then I’m a Space Alien Predator. No cred, dude. No cred. And I saaayyyyy(………wait for it………..) “NEOCON!”
Machtyn
Posted on July 19, 2012 at 9:29amActually getting things done and producing positive results:
Mitt Romney: Check
Barack Obama: No yeah
Ron Paul: Yeah right.
By the way, if they are going to award this 4 pinocchios, that is being a false statement with so much evidence, then Romney has never practiced crony-capitalism, and Rick Perry has only used it occasionally and rarely. Heck, even using a looser definition of crony-capitalism, if there was any evidence of Romney doing this, Perry, Gingrich, Santorum, and Obama would have already played that trump card.
Report Post »West Coast Patriot
Posted on July 19, 2012 at 3:50pmJSCIAI, I would expect no less from ostriches like you.
Report Post »Rob
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 5:11pmWhy not ask if Obama is still using drugs. I mean, if he won’t take a drug test he must be!
ASK THE QUESTION!
Report Post »SimpleTruths
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 5:57pm@ROB
Report Post »So a fair question for you then would be “when did you stop beating your wife”? No answer? So you must still be beating her then.
justangry
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 9:39pmHow do you get wife beating from his statement?
Report Post »West Coast Patriot
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 5:03pm@ Barber2, Here are a couple links for ya: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzyGtc61Ph8&feature=youtu.be
Report Post »The affidavit said they had to promise to vote Romney on the first round, which they had already promised, under penalty of perjury; Look up 42 USC 1971 (b) where it talks about coersion even under the color of law (states). This was in fact a federal crime.
http://www.dailypaul.com/238061/chaos-at-the-louisiana-2012-republican-state-convention
The GOP establishment thought they could railroad the convention and not follow the rules, but Liberty supporters took over because of it. The first gentleman who had been voted in as Rules Chairman the previous day by the rules, had his finger broken by security, the second gentleman elected new chair had his hip dislocated, had to go to the hospital and another chair elected.
Copy of the lawsuit genius: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B42o0yg7D7tcZG5Xb0hEclBiejQ/edit?pli=1
http://www.lasvegassun.com/blogs/ralstons-flash/2012/may/16/rnc-romney-campaigns-will-erect-new-organization-b/
Mitts, Shadow Party.
I can get more, but why don’t you get off your lazy @ss and do your own research like Glenn always says???
therealconservative
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 9:04pmNice liberal links. BTW didn’t you say a few weeks ago that you were done with The Blaze?
Sorry forgot that libs say one thing and then do the opposite.
Report Post »West Coast Patriot
Posted on July 19, 2012 at 3:49amReal, are you sad to see me back? I just could not stay away, my plans were shifted a little because of the direction of the campaign, sorry to disappoint you. Now you still have to read my truths on here. It has been determined that Paul has won the plurality of delegates in six, possibly seven states and his name will be put up for nomination. Great news isn’t it? It seems that the RNC rules do not bind delegates to nominate even if they are bound by state bylaws to one candidate.
Report Post »“42 USC 1971 (b) (b) Intimidation, threats, or coercion
No person, whether acting under color of law or otherwise, shall intimidate, threaten, coerce, or attempt to intimidate, threaten, or coerce any other person for the purpose of interfering with the right of such other person to vote or to vote as he may choose, or of causing such other person to vote for, or not to vote for, any candidate for the office of President, Vice President, presidential elector, Member of the Senate, or Member of the House of Representatives, Delegates or Commissioners from the Territories or possessions, at any general, special, or primary election held solely or in part for the purpose of selecting or electing any such candidate.”
This federal law is going to unbind the delegates on the first round for the vote between Romney and Paul. His speech could sway many more delegates, we will see.
lhmccracken
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 4:47pmWhat I truly find amazing is that there is NO SHORTAGE of issues which Romney could raise with regards to our corrupt POTUS!!! Come on!!!! Stop playing the tit for tat games! Call Obama Admin. out on basics such as the ecomony, race baiting, and the MANY broken and misleading campaign promises, etc., etc., etc.,!! This is not rocket science and Romney needs to go for broke and some earth shaking, real issues that make headlines and stop playing NICE!!! HE WILL LOSE the AMERICAN interest unless he starts wielding some hard, fast balls out of the political park instead of lulling us to sleep with this ‘who cares’ types of rhetoric!! So far it”s zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz…Look, this administration is wallowing in the mud (mixed with everything else in their political pen) with ALL the crap they have leaked out of their orifices (talk about STINK) so pick some of it up and fling it back onto them…and use a backhoe not a garden spade!!!
Report Post »Brother Winston Smith
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 5:35pmPsssst…. he’s THROWING TH FIGHT! Get it?
Report Post »THX-1138
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 4:46pmI really and truly hope Obama wins.
I hate to see a once great nation, now divided between Makers (Capitalists) and Takers (Marxists) continue to suffer like this. Better that both sides be utterly destroyed than to let the Marxists win. Four more years of Obama will destroy the Economy of the entire planet, start several more wars and, I hope, crush what little faith the average American has left in our Federal Government. Four more years of this mental midget might just get the job done.
Then we have the hearts of the majority again.
Then we can actually start to rebuild.
Until the People, as a whole, stand together against these tyrants we have no chance. Don’t push against the pendulum, push with it. When it finally swings back, then we have a chance.
Let the ignorant get a great big mouthful of life under a dictator and see if they spit it out.
If not, there’s always Mars…
Report Post »joel228
Posted on July 19, 2012 at 1:58amTHX-1138, seriously? I thought that’s what the first election of Obama was supposed to do. You want it entrenched now? Once entrenched communism does not go away without a lot of spilled blood first.
Report Post »West Coast Patriot
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 4:43pmIt has been determined that Ron Paul has the plurality of delegates in at least six states, possibly seven. This puts his name in the running for the nomination. The RNC rules do not recognize binding of delegates by states for a name being put in for the nomination.
42 USC 1971 (b) Intimidation, threats, or coercion
No person, whether acting under color of law or otherwise, shall intimidate, threaten, coerce, or attempt to intimidate, threaten, or coerce any other person for the purpose of interfering with the right of such other person to vote or to vote as he may choose, or of causing such other person to vote for, or not to vote for, any candidate for the office of President, Vice President, presidential elector, Member of the Senate, or Member of the House of Representatives, Delegates or Commissioners from the Territories or possessions, at any general, special, or primary election held solely or in part for the purpose of selecting or electing any such candidate.
This federal law means that no delegate is bound on the first round of votes after nominees are put up for vote. The lawsuit that is going to be heard by a 9th circuit federal judge is asking for clarification on this, and I believe the judge will have to rule that states cannot bind delegates to any one candidate. This means that Paul still has a chance of winning the nomination, although it will be tough at this point, but a good speech could push enough delegates to do just that.
Report Post »THX-1138
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 4:49pmAre we really still talking about Ron Paul?
Really?
Report Post »West Coast Patriot
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 4:56pmTHX, Well, he IS still in the race, you know. Or, maybe you do not know since you just sit around listening to the establishment puppet reporters from Fox. He still has a chance to win the nomination, no matter what you think. Most of the time there is only one candidate going into the convention, but this year is different. Hold onto your hats people.
Report Post »Brother Winston Smith
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 5:08pm@THX-1138
Are we really still sliming Ron Paul?
Really?
Report Post »jsciai
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 5:11pmWPC
Now list’n heya, Ama Aah gonna haf ta ropeat mah HAHAHA post anu come dis heya August?
Lay eet be, mahn, lay eet be.
Methinks you have found a new religion: ronpaulsim, where the old saying applies: there’s no extrovert like a convert!
Report Post »jsciai
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 6:08pmWPC
Report Post »Yes! The lawsuit is going to be heard by that bastion of liberty, freedom and law, THE 9TH FRIGGIN CIRCUIT COURT!!! Oh man, I’m feeling another laughing fit coming on. Now you have really revealed yourself and your co-horts as obamaton trolls. That you would go to the 9th circuit to force your opinion? Why not the 5th in Texas? You know why? You’ld be laughed out of the courthouse. Bleah, you’re hardly worth the effort except for the comic relief.
justangry
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 6:32pmWow WCP, I’m suprised you were able to post that. Everytime I put that out there they deleted my post.
Report Post »therealconservative
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 9:42pmIt’s been determined that Ron Paul did not win a single state primary, twice.
Report Post »West Coast Patriot
Posted on July 19, 2012 at 4:27amJust, I posted it three times now, amazing isn’t it?
Report Post »Real, That is part of the problem with our country today, the New World Republicans have forgot that we are a Republic, not a Democracy. Delegates are not supposed to be bound to any candidate, just because they won the popular vote in their state. Now, since you have to be taught, I will try to say it in layman’s terms for you.
If delegates are bound legally, and just before the convention something were to come out that would ensure that candidates defeat in the general, the delegates need the ability to talk amongst themselves and change their mind and vote for the candidate that could win. If, by your standards, they were bound, you would be all for nominating a candidate that would surely lose. Kinda like you guys are trying to do this election. Federal law trumps any state bylaw and any private clubs rules, would you not agree to that? I rest my case, for the time being.
jsciai
Posted on July 19, 2012 at 7:47am@wcp–try hitting “post”
Ya know, you have never replied to the fact that paul only got 2 million popular votes in the primaries while Romney got 9.7 million. Not to mention the total number of votes ron paul didn’t get was way north of 17 million! And yet we are all supposed to come over the the paul camp? youse guys are loony toons!
Report Post »West Coast Patriot
Posted on July 21, 2012 at 5:47pmRealConservative, Yeah right. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=TtHiA7TJUV0#!
Report Post »Matt
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 4:34pmRomney: “Oh, sorry, I had my facts wrong on that one? woops. Sorry, I take it back, anyways, as I was saying, SOLYNDRA…
Report Post »frogg
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 4:27pmSome animals are more equal than others (Amimal Farm)
Report Post »RightUnite
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 4:22pmTough ****… Play the same game Obama’s playing. This is no different than what the Obama is pulling with his lies.
Report Post »jsciai
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 4:37pmRightUnite
Report Post »Hey man, don’t give up hope and become cynical. There is a huge difference between the out and out lies obama is pushing and the fact based ads Romney is sharing. Check out the post by TheBurningTruth below for a great comparison. The MSM had to do all kinds of machinations to give pinnochios on Romney’s ad, and yet there is the truth in it. That being said, there is soooo much dirt on obama there is no need to ‘make’ the ad info work. Just telling the simple truth would be enough.
Romney 2012
cdb
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 4:17pmBall of confusion, by the Temptations, pretty much says it all about Obama. “Politicians say more taxes will solve everything.” And the band played on…
Report Post »EqualJustice
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 4:12pmWell wouldn‘t giving UNIONS GOV’T contracts for shovel ready jobs count? Here’s proof! http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/07/18/OKeefe-Union-Bosses-Govt-Funded-Ditch-Digging
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 4:05pmYes, we have crony capitalism
So let’s nominate the guy who does NOT want to reform the tax code, does NOT want to eliminate federal departments, does NOT want to significantly reduce spending, gets A LOT of money from corporate donors (including the mega banks), and who thinks the minimum wage should be automatically increased with inflation…Think I’m talking about Barack Obama? NO. I’m talking about Mitt Romney
Report Post »Deathbya1000Laws
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 4:35pmYes, Soybomb…we should vote for Obama instead!
Report Post »Mutiny
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 4:37pmBut, but “he isnt a commie”? Romney never ate a dog! He is “the lesser of two evils” and “he sat in Wright’s church for 20 years”.
Come on Soy. You are going way off the talking points. We need to stick to the above talking points to remove Obama from office. Those are the pressing matters of this nation. Who cares if we are bankrupt and will soon have riots in our streets. Who cares if American citizens freedoms are taken, its for our own good.
Report Post »West Coast Patriot
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 4:47pmSoybomb, It has been determined that Paul has plurality of delegates in 6 states. Read my post above. Paul is still in this race, although most of the people on here do not know as they get all their news from the establishment reporters from FOX and CNN and others. They have a view of Paul that the establishment forced on them with lies and inuendos, but the Liberty Movement is not fooled at all.
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therealconservative
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 9:48pm@left coast
It’s been determined that Ron Paul has not won a single state primary, twice.
Report Post »Brother Winston Smith
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 4:02pmMitt Romney – croni-capitalist
Barack Obama – croni-capitalist
Ron Paul – free-market
Who are YOU supporting? (Romney is NOT the nominee)
Report Post »RightUnite
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 4:23pmRon Paul will not get the nomination. Any vote for Paul is a vote for Obama.
Report Post »jsciai
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 4:29pmBro. Winson–more like:
Mitt Romney – pro-capitalist
Report Post »Barack Obama – communist-capitalist
Ron Paul – chrome-dome capitalist
Romney 2012
ps–this is just about as silly as your post! (the rp part I mean)
KidCharlemagne
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 4:34pmjsciai
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 4:29pm
Mitt Romney – pro-capitalist
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Nothing capitalist about the individual mandate:
“Mitt Romney First Introducing the Individual Mandate at Heritage in Jan. 2006″
Report Post »West Coast Patriot
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 4:40pmJSCIA, You are one of the least intelligent that post on here. Man, where did you go to school? You are an embarrassment to the Republican Party.
Report Post »jsciai
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 4:54pmKidCharlemagne
Report Post »Sorry dude, you missed this one. Romney’s plan in Mass. was a PRIVATE SECTOR BASED plan. Uh, that means private insurance was the model, not single payer like obamatax–hence completely capitalist, and better yet, confined to a state that wanted it.. Here are two links that completely explains the difference:
http://mittromneyandhealthcare.blogspot.com/p/romneycare-vs-obamacare.html
http://mittromneycentral.com/resources/romneycare/
West Coast Patriot
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 4:57pmJSCIA, I apologize, I really do not mean intelligence, just misinformed.
Report Post »BIgWheeler
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 5:09pmKidCharlemagne, Romney clearly says in your youtube clip: “People are either going to buy their own inurance, or pay for their own care.” Obama says: Buy the insurance or pay the government.
Romney’s healthcare plan is like punishing shoplifting by making you pay for what you stole, Obama’s healthcare plan is like punishing shoplifting by sealing all of your stuff
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 5:53pm@jsciai
Actually, the state of MA was not wanting it much. This is a plan Romney latched onto and sold it to the citizens of MA. Romney is a progressive, therefore he thought government could solve the healthcare problem in that state. Recently released emails confirm that his office was the architect – he was NOT being dragged along as the Romney campaign would like you to believe.
That is why Romney hired private contractors (at the taxpayer expense) to wipe the computers clean as he was leaving the governorship
Report Post »KidCharlemagne
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 6:13pmjsciai
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 4:54pm
KidCharlemagne
Sorry dude, you missed this one. Romney’s plan in Mass. was a PRIVATE SECTOR BASED plan…..
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…………………..that the federal government is paying for:
“Over the five-year life of the new law, total cost has been $9 billion, with the federal government picking up nearly 64 percent of the cost, the state’s share is more than 18 percent, and the remaining 18 percent split by hospitals and insurers, who pass it along to their customers, to pay into the Health Safety Net fund, which reimburses providers for treating the uninsured. The federal share consists of the usual 50 percent reimbursement for Medicaid, supplemented by stimulus money and additional funds awarded the state for its innovative program to subsidize insurance of the working poor.
Many of the more than 400,000 Massachusetts residents who have become insured since the law’s enactment receive coverage paid in whole or in part with public funds.”
Report Post »Boston Globe: Federal Government has been paying for RomneyCare…
Raging_Waters
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 10:06pmSo just wondering…how many pages was the ‘Romneycare’ manual compared to Obumba’s Affordable Deathcare Act?
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 11:06pmSince when do we judge laws by how many pages they are? Does Romneycare require you to buy insurance or else pay a tax?
Report Post »Raging_Waters
Posted on July 19, 2012 at 12:27amAnswering a question with questions, eh? I thought it was a reasonable inquiry. Shouldn’t they be around the same length seeing that the Paulists are always implying RomneyCare and ObumbaCare are the exact same thing? Or maybe it’s just the Ron Paul blues driving the disingenuous comparisons?…
Report Post »jsciai
Posted on July 19, 2012 at 7:00am@raging waters
Report Post »The Mass. health care law is 70 pages long. Obamatax? 2074 pages. And yes it is important how “long” the law is since they can hide more in larger bills, as they did with obamatax.
jsciai
Posted on July 19, 2012 at 7:05amsoybomb315
Report Post »Posted on July 18, 2012 at 5:53pm
@jsciai
“Actually, the state of MA was not wanting it much.”
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Cool(if true), then the folks in Mass should vote it out or have their legislators abolish the law. Case closed. But, I haven’t heard of that happening. Don’t get me wrong, I would not want this in my state. That‘s why I’ll never live in Mass.
progressiveslayer
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 3:56pmI read an article recently that said we’re 232 trillion in debt,I didn‘t save it and can’t find it online,either of you seen this article? Yes when the dollar loses reserve currency status we will see change we can believe in and the smiling jackal Marxist POS can’t stop it nor wants to.The crony capitalist Romney won’t be able to stop it either.
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 4:03pmWhen I want a few laughs, I go to http://www.usdebtclock.org/. Shows a lot of stats, such as total debt per American / per taxpayer.
It shows a total unfunded liability of ONLY $120 trillion, which comes out to a cool $1,000,000 per taxpayer – cant wait till that debt comes due….
Report Post »Mutiny
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 4:07pmIts coming soon and the other countries around the world see it and are planning for it while we argue about dog eating, gay rights, bullying, and other stupid garbage these two ass clowns want to fight about.
http://www.infowars.com/11-international-agreements-that-are-nails-in-the-coffin-of-the-petrodollar/
Report Post »Mutiny
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 4:23pmNot just that Soy, that is with tiny interest rates. Think of when the interest rates have to go up because no one will buy our debt? If I heard correctly, this was a few years ago for every point up on interest rates our debt goes up like 800 billion or some crazy number like that.
Report Post »KidCharlemagne
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 4:46pmMutiny
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 4:23pm
Not just that Soy, that is with tiny interest rates. Think of when the interest rates have to go up because no one will buy our debt?
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I remember the stagflation of 1979….
The only way to get rid of it was a massive spike in the federal funds rate by Fed Chairman Volcker:
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“Volcker‘s Fed is widely credited with ending the United States’ stagflation crisis of the 1970s. Inflation, which peaked at 13.5% in 1981, was successfully lowered to 3.2% by 1983.
Volcker raised the federal funds rate, which had averaged 11.2% in 1979, to a peak of 20% in June 1981. The prime rate rose to 21.5% in 1981 as well.”
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As Peter Schiff is famous for saying: “sometimes medicine tastes bad”.
Report Post »TheBurningTruth
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 3:56pmLets do some analysis of our own comparing President Marxist‘s techniques with Romney’s:
“Lane contributes to some Democrats but mostly to Republicans”. Therefore he DID contribute to Barry, and that part of the claim is TRUE.
Furthermore, “Fisker spokesman Roger Ormisher said that the Energy Department knew from the beginning that the Karma cars would be produced in Finland, by a contract manufacturer“ supports the ”Outsourcer in Chief” claim against President Bonobo. Just try asking the UAW if there was any facility in the US capable of doing the work. No way the autoworker’s union supports ANY jobs going overseas.
As for the difference between loans “given” vs. loans “taken” if the loan is approved, it’s GIVEN. It was Fisker’s decision how much to take so, Barry DID give them the whole balance. Fisker could have come back at any time and collected the rest of the money.
In the end, the definition of Crony Capitalism is: “a term describing an economy in which success in business depends on close relationships between business people and government officials”. So, Kessler‘s note that a car compnay can’t get started without government assistance proves the accusation.
Isn’t that part of the BIG government problem we have? The govt is so big an intrusive that the market can’t work anymore.
Report Post »beenaroundyaknow
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 3:53pmPlease….What do you expect from the Washington Com-Post? They have been Democratic shills since the Nixon era if not before. Why they are considered reputable press is beyond me. Where‘s the similar stories on Obama’s or Biden’s moronic statements. Being from Delaware, I remember Biden standing at the shut down GM plant in Wilmington with Fisker execs at his side making wonderful promises about the jobs that were coming back to that plant. So why couldn’t Fisker find facilities here? Waiting for the answer. As usual, our leadership were played for suckers, again.
Report Post »Detroit paperboy
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 3:53pmOk, then just say Solyndra instead of Fisker…………problem solved, zero pinnochios……
Report Post »RJJinGadsden
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 4:06pmYou would think the libs would eat this up and savor it. He just did the same thing that 0bama did and even equalled 0bam’s Pinocchios.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 4:18pmObama sure as hell doesn’t let a few Pinnochios ruin a good story, does he?
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 6:07pmRJJING..I actually love it. Romney’s doing to Obama what Obama is trying to do to him. There’s a certainly delicious shamelessness to it. A refreshing “oh yeah Barry? How about we try that stuff on you now”. My bet is this will stick to Obama more than the Bain/“show us more tax returns” stuff on Romney.
Report Post »And I’m champing at the bit for Romney to say “ok I’ll release another tax return, when Mr Obama releases his college records”.
Stone Cold Truth
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 3:52pmThis gets 4 but the felony claim only gets 3? I knew this WP fact check business had to be scewed somehow. They won’t let Obama get away with lying all together, but they will try to make Romney seem worse. Got it.
Report Post »PATRIOT
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 3:46pmAny time that money is forcefully taken [IE taxes] and then given to a private enterprise or company without consent that is theft. Voluntarily giving to someone as a charity or investment is good and noble but being forced to give to another is nothing more than theft.
Report Post »spirited
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 3:44pmIt‘s Bush’s fault
Report Post »Red Meat
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 3:55pmWGAS about some WaPo rating?
Report Post »progressiveslayer
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 3:43pmOur whole system is based on crony capitalism,government picks winners and losers,been that way for a century and I’m hoping Mitt will change that but I highly doubt it.Barry is blatant about his crony capitalism with billions of our dollars being wasted,he really doesn’t care and would prefer these green BS companies to fail which they all have and will continue to fail.
Report Post »SimpleTruths
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 6:04pmRomney’s refusal to release his tax returns is for a good reason – he probably has a lot of things he’d rather not come out in the daylight. Every day he stalls is another nail in the coffin. Some of you might get your wish after all; a brokered convention. Of course if that happens Obama wins by a landslide.
Report Post »HKS
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 3:39pmI know a little about this subject and this appears to be true. Fisker spent that money in California (large engineering operation there) and Fisker only got a small part of that money to start with. Private investors have supported that company and I’m sure they wish they had never heard of Obama and his grants, great company doing some remarkable things.
Report Post »tbo
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 3:38pmCrony Fact Checking
Report Post »barber2
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 3:33pmAll of Obama’s “green projects” like Solyndra and Abound Solar ! The only successful part of the “green” deal was the money his buddies got from us sucker tax payers for those failed enterprises ! Hey, the Democrats owed these guys for their support. An us suckers got to pay the bill ! At least Robin Hood was a direct ” re- distributer ” unlike the Obama guy who steals from the modestly well-off taxpayer and gives to his non-taxpaying voter base ! What a crony crook !
Report Post »jsciai
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 4:14pmMuttly,
Report Post »News Flash–Romney hasn’t wasted BILLIONS of taxpayers money on ANY hairbrained investment. Losing even more cred, muttly.
Romney 2012
Mutiny
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 4:31pmSince the blaze keeps deleting my posts(I think they did similar things in communist Russia to keep people from speaking the truth) I will post a reply and see if it sticks.
@JSC
If you watched the clip you can clearly hear Romney in his own words saying how government should put money into projects like this. I mean its not like I am lying, watch the clip. Its Romney in his own words and video.
You are partially right on the waste of tax payer dollars. Romney wasted tax payer dollars on Romney/Obamacare in Mass. He has not yet been given a chance to lose tax payer dollars a president. If we base his future actions on his history and his speeches he will be just like Obama.
If you paid attention to the video or even bothered to do any research on your own you would see clearly I am not losing any cred. If anyone is losing cred its Romney the flip flopper.
JSC you can call me names or make fun of my name all you like, but facts are I continue to prove you wrong. As always, you have been proven wrong and provided zero evidence I was incorrect.
Report Post »KidCharlemagne
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 4:31pmjsciai
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 4:14pm
Muttly,
News Flash–Romney hasn’t wasted BILLIONS of taxpayers money on ANY hairbrained investment.
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Not yet anyway:
“I am big believer in getting money where the money is,” Romney says on the video, “The money is in Washington.”
Report Post »West Coast Patriot
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 4:54pmBarber, Since you were too chicken to reply to my post after basically calling me a liar, I decided to give you what you asked for here. Here are a couple links for ya: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzyGtc61Ph8&feature=youtu.be
Report Post »The affidavit said they had to promise to vote Romney on the first round, which they had already promised, under penalty of perjury; Look up 42 USC 1971 (b) where it talks about coersion even under the color of law (states). This was in fact a federal crime.
http://www.dailypaul.com/238061/chaos-at-the-louisiana-2012-republican-state-convention
The GOP establishment thought they could railroad the convention and not follow the rules, but Liberty supporters took over because of it. The first gentleman who had been voted in as Rules Chairman the previous day by the rules, had his finger broken by security, the second gentleman elected new chair had his hip dislocated, had to go to the hospital and another chair elected.
Copy of the lawsuit genius: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B42o0yg7D7tcZG5Xb0hEclBiejQ/edit?pli=1
http://www.lasvegassun.com/blogs/ralstons-flash/2012/may/16/rnc-romney-campaigns-will-erect-new-organization-b/
Mitts, Shadow Party.
I can get more, but why don’t you get off your lazy @ss and do your own research like Glenn always says???
jsciai
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 5:00pmMuttly and Kiddo,
Report Post »Sorry guys, I’ll take the unlikely possiblity of Romney spending (based on your accusations) over the certainly of Paul who has AUTHORED pork spending at the expense of taxpayers. Man, I would hate to be your spouse–guilty by prediction! Not to mention the cheeto stains!
West Coast Patriot
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 5:01pmHere are a couple links for ya: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzyGtc61Ph8&feature=youtu.be
Report Post »The affidavit said they had to promise to vote Romney on the first round, which they had already promised, under penalty of perjury; Look up 42 USC 1971 (b) where it talks about coersion even under the color of law (states). This was in fact a federal crime.
http://www.dailypaul.com/238061/chaos-at-the-louisiana-2012-republican-state-convention
The GOP establishment thought they could railroad the convention and not follow the rules, but Liberty supporters took over because of it. The first gentleman who had been voted in as Rules Chairman the previous day by the rules, had his finger broken by security, the second gentleman elected new chair had his hip dislocated, had to go to the hospital and another chair elected.
Copy of the lawsuit genius: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B42o0yg7D7tcZG5Xb0hEclBiejQ/edit?pli=1
http://www.lasvegassun.com/blogs/ralstons-flash/2012/may/16/rnc-romney-campaigns-will-erect-new-organization-b/
Mitts, Shadow Party.
I can get more, but why don’t you get off your lazy @ss and do your own research like Glenn always says???
West Coast Patriot
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 5:08pmBarber, still the selfish coward, hide your head in the sand lefty Republican, wanting to kick the can down the road to your future family generations. Pitiful.
Report Post »Mutiny
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 6:17pm@jsc
LOL the pork talk. I love it when you uninformed sheep throw that one out. It just goes to show how dumb you are.
Here are some facts.
People in every congressional district in the country pay tax. Some of this money is used for federal roads and bridges. There is no break down of your tax money when you send in that check(guessing maybe you get federal checks instead, so you are ignorant to the process). So for someones district to get lets say highway repair it comes in the form of this type of ear mark.
Now, lets say Ron Paul was wanting “shrimp threadmill research” I would have a problem with that. The key is, it wasnt that type of ear mark spending.
Here is Ron Paul’s ear marks for 2010.
http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/earmarks.php?cid=n00005906
If only bills that were constitutional passed by Congress and everyone voted with those principles spending would be a lot less and there would be very few “shrimp threadmills” ,“pig odor research”, and “$1 million for mormon cricket control in Utah”. The ones that would pass would be for education, roads, bridges, and defense.
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