Famous Christian Landmark Tree Chopped Down in UK
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LONDON (AP) — British police were searching Friday for vandals who chopped down a thorn tree venerated for centuries by Christians.
The Glastonbury Holy Thorn Tree, said to have links to the earliest days of Christianity in England, has been reduced to a six-foot stump by vandals who sawed off its limbs.
The desecration happened the night after a sprig from the tree was cut off in a ceremony so it could be given to Queen Elizabeth II to decorate her Christmas table, said Glastonbury Mayor John Coles.
Coles believes the traditional ceremony may have sparked a backlash.
“Whether the person responsible for the deed saw the ceremony on local television or witnessed it, it’s rather a coincidence that it was done that same night,” he said. “We don‘t know whether it’s one person responsible or a group.”
Coles said the cutting ceremony usually involves the oldest child at a local nursery and the local vicar and mayor. The queen always sends a letter of thanks, he added.
Glastonbury, 125 miles (200 kilometers) west of London, is best known for its annual rock music festival that has drawn artists such as Bruce Springsteen since the 1960s.
Religious tradition holds that the original tree was planted by St. Joseph of Arimathea — the wealthy merchant who volunteered his tomb to Jesus — after he first made landfall in England some 2,000 years ago. The chopped-down tree is thought to be descended from the original and sprouted on Wearyall Hill in Glastonbury.
“The story goes that Joseph of Arimathea pushed his staff into the ground and pronounced it to be weary — that‘s why it’s known as Wearyall Hill,” said Coles. “The tree is said to have grown from the staff. It‘s something you can’t prove or disprove.”
Many pilgrims have left offerings at the base of the tree over the years.
Katherine Gorbing, the director of Glastonbury Abbey, said there is some hope the tree may recover.
“We’re very hopeful that it will grow back,” she said.
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Raphael G. Satter contributed to this report.
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Comments (164)
Art Vandalay
Posted on December 10, 2010 at 12:14pmTo play by their rules… find the vandal and chop his arms off.
Report Post »EqualJustice
Posted on December 10, 2010 at 1:25pmWouldn’t that be SHARIA LAW? Just don’t make fun of ALLAH, or they’ll kill you, okay?
Report Post »Insipid
Posted on December 10, 2010 at 1:50pm@ EqualJustice, How about a nutritious, delicious Allah Krunchbar !
Report Post »jakartaman
Posted on December 10, 2010 at 12:14pmWhy is there always apologist – when something negative happens to Christianity!
Report Post »yes we are forgiving and tolerant – but whats wrong is wrong ! and it should be called out as to what it is.
The way the world is going – someday in the near future you will need to pick sides and defend yourself
trolltrainer
Posted on December 10, 2010 at 12:27pmDon’t mistake meek for weak! I have an advantage in that I was not saved until age 35. I have always been a gun owning survivalist type. I went through the stages of sanctification where I was still militant against evil. I think what you are seeing is that as we mature Christians learn to trust in and rely on God more and more. When the time comes to fight I will be there. But Jesus teaches us to forgive and to love our enemy. Like He said, they know not what they do.
Report Post »sbenard
Posted on December 10, 2010 at 12:11pmIt was a beautiful tree before! I saw this story elsewhere yesterday, and they had before and after pictures. Unfortunately, people have draped so many streamers and memorials all over it that the trunk looked it had been TP’d with a thousand rolls of crepe paper.
Report Post »People have defaced other religious symbols in my area with spray paint that is pornographic. Sad, but let’s face it: The Devil inspires these people, and he is running rampant in this world now! He knows his days are numbered, and he’s unleashing all the fury he can — while he still can!
Bronco II
Posted on December 10, 2010 at 12:11pmScota
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This article is about Egyptian princess named Scota. For SCOTA (Software Components Over The Air), see Software Components OTA.
Scota (left) with Goídel Glas voyaging from Egypt, as depicted in a 15th century manuscript of the Scotichronicon of Walter Bower; in this version Scota and Goídel Glas (Latinized as Gaythelos) are wife and husband.Scota, in Irish mythology, Scottish mythology, and pseudohistory, is the name given to two different mythological daughters of two different Egyptian Pharaohs to whom the Gaels traced their ancestry, allegedly explaining the name Scoti, applied by the Romans to Irish raiders, and later to the Irish invaders of Argyll and Caledonia which became known as Scotland.
The Scota who was allegedly the wife of Mil is named as the daughter to a pharaoh named ‘Nectanebus’ (a name which might be meant to identify either Nectanebo I or Nectanebo II), and in this myth it was the sons of Mil and Scota that settled in Ireland.
According to the early Irish chronicle Lebor Gabála Érenn the other Scota was the daughter of an Egyptian Pharaoh named Cingris, a name found only in Irish legend. She married Niul, son of Fenius Farsaid, a Babylonian who traveled to Scythia after the collapse of the Tower of Babel. Niul was a scholar of languages, and was invited by the pharaoh to Egypt and given Scota’s hand in marriage. They had a son, Goídel Glas, the eponymous ancestor of the Gaels, who created the Gaelic language by combining the best features of the 72 languages then in existence.
Goídel (or his son Sru) was expelled from Egypt shortly after the Exodus of the Israelites by a pharaoh whom 17th century Irish chronicler Geoffrey Keating names Intuir. After much travelling his descendants settled in Iberia, where Míl Espáine was born, and it was the sons of Míl, Eber Finn and Eremon, who established the Gaelic presence in Ireland.
According to Seumas MacManus in his book The Story of the Irish Race, Scota married Niul, but he was the grandson of Gaodhal Glas. Then another Scota, who was coincidentally also a daughter of an Egyptian Pharaoh, married Miled (or Milesius). This second Scota left Iberia with her eight sons and their families, after Miled died, and headed for Ireland. Many of the sons died en route, due to a storm, and Queen Scota died during the battle between the Milesians and the Tuatha Dé Danann.
South of Tralee town, in Ireland, in a valley is an area known as Glenn Scoithin, “Vale of the little flower”, more normally known as Foley’s Glen, reputedly the grave of Scota.
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Report Post »Lebor Gabála Érenn [1]
Geoffrey Keating, Forus Feasa ar Éirinn [2]
Seumas MacManus, The Story of the Irish Race (February 1970 The Devin-Adair Company New York)
Seumas MacManus, The Story of the Irish Race (1990 edition printed by Wings Books)
Michael O’Clery, Annals of the Kingdom of Ireland (1616-1636 Donegal)
Aidan Dodson, Monarchs of the Nile (1995)
Benedict‘s Fitzpatrick’s (1901–1963) “Ireland and the Foundations of Europe”
http://legacy.www.nypl.org/research/chss/spe/rbk/faids/fitzpatrickj.pdf
GhostOfJefferson
Posted on December 10, 2010 at 12:30pmFrom wikipedia, since you sourced it, search Scotland.
**Main article: Etymology of Scotland
Scotland is from the Latin Scoti, the term applied to Gaels, people from what is now Scotland and Ireland, both pirates and the Dal Riada who had come from Ireland to reside in the Northwest of what is now Scotland, in contrast, for example, to the Picts.[20] Accordingly, the Late Latin word Scotia (land of the Gaels) was initially used to refer to Ireland.[21] However, by the 11th century at the latest, Scotia was being used to refer to (Gaelic-speaking) Scotland north of the river Forth, alongside Albania or Albany, both derived from the Gaelic Alba.[22] The use of the words Scots and Scotland to encompass all of what is now Scotland became common in the Late Middle Ages.[14]**
Report Post »stage9
Posted on December 10, 2010 at 12:11pmVandals in the UK? The same week of the liberal student protests? Criminal behavior is so unlike them. First God is kicked out, then the culture loses all sense of moral direction. Yeah! Let’s follow Europe!
Report Post »JCoolman
Posted on December 10, 2010 at 12:10pmAs odd as this may sound, the first thing that came to mind was…golden calf. All religions have been making false idols for hundreds of years. Maybe this is a wake up call for people to start worshiping Him and not a tree.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on December 10, 2010 at 12:27pmNobody was worshiping the tree.
People attend churches too, and wouldn’t want to see them torched, but if one is torched I doubt anybody would say “good, people need to stop worshiping the building”.
Report Post »untameable-kate
Posted on December 10, 2010 at 12:34pmThey did not worship the tree they prayed by the tree, just as people worshiping in church are not praying to the building.
Report Post »untameable-kate
Posted on December 10, 2010 at 12:50pmSorry Ghost your post wasn’t up yet when I was writing mine. Great minds…
Report Post »WhiteFang
Posted on December 10, 2010 at 12:55pmLast week it was a tree of interest. Now it is a object of worship, an idol. Satan will make sure of it. We know of his designs, do not fall victim to his machinations.
Report Post »JCoolman
Posted on December 10, 2010 at 1:04pmIm not saying it was or wasnt a false idol. For some reason, that was the first thought that came to mind. Whether it was or wasnt a false idol, it sure should be a wake up call.
Report Post »Bronco II
Posted on December 10, 2010 at 12:08pmThere is alot of History from a scripture point about Gladstonbury.Also THE STONE OF SCONE.That is how Scotland got it’s name from a woman named SCOTA. It’s pronounced like you would say COAT with an S infront and an A small vowel sound of a.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on December 10, 2010 at 12:23pmActually, Scotland got its name from the Latin term for the Irish (and many in the Latin world), namely, “scotti” or “scoti” depending on who you read, which originally meant raider or pirate, a cognate for the word Gael/Godelic, which meant “raider” or “pirate” in Old Welsh, and was the word they applied to the invading Irish as they were getting off the boat and moving into Ireland from the Iberian Peninsula.
Scotland thus literally means “land of the Irish”, in a strange mash up of Latin (scotti) and Germanic/Anglo-Saxon (land).
Report Post »Country
Posted on December 10, 2010 at 8:47pm@GhostOfJefferson and Bronco II, Scotland was named after Scota who was the daughter of the Hebrew King Zedekiah, this is how the stone of scone made it to Ireland. Her royal family had possession of the stone and brought it with them to Ireland. Since all of Zedekiah’s sons were killed, the royal linage would of been given to one of his daughters. You can read about Zedekiah in Jeremiah 24.
Report Post »teaparty teamster
Posted on December 10, 2010 at 12:07pmThe new generation of youth in this world are very GODLESS. This may be the begining for the end, Dec 21, 2012 is not that far away. The Myans may have had it correct all these centuries.
Report Post »JCoolman
Posted on December 10, 2010 at 12:13pmYou listen too much to late night radio.
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on December 10, 2010 at 12:19pmLet me preface by saying that the Bible emphatically says that no man knows when Christ will return. That said, maybe God used the Mayans for this prophecy! I too am looking seriously at that date. 12/22/12, if I wake up, I will shrug and go fishing…But while every generation since the apostles have thought they were living in the end times, never before in history has everything lined up like now! I think the body of Christ as a whole, feels that it is eminent. The bride is ready, the groom awaits, and the wedding is at hand! Come Lord Jesus!
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on December 10, 2010 at 1:40pmWell, technically speaking, human history goes on for another 4,000 years after 2012 according to the Mayans. I suspect that a lot of people read way too much of Revelations into the words of an utterly alien culture. We seem to be wired as a species to look for our destruction.
Report Post »joan k
Posted on December 10, 2010 at 3:14pmI think you should pay attention to Judeo-Christian prophecy from the bible instead. Here is a website called Jews and Joes that follows prophecy. They are attempting to figure out the timeline of Daniel’s prophecies. It is an interesting read: http://jewsandjoes.com/timeline-of-the-last-days.html
Report Post »sbenard
Posted on December 10, 2010 at 12:03pmAnother example that indicates the source of inspiration of those on the left. Let’s see! Who hates Christians and Christ? Oh, that’s right! Satan! And he is feeling more and more emboldened. Today, it’s a symbol of Christianity in the form of a tree. Tomorrow, it’s PEOPLE, just as other collectivists have done in history! “WE… are the BORG! You WILL be assimilated! Resistance is FUTILE! You WILL comply!”
Report Post »Bounder
Posted on December 10, 2010 at 12:03pmIt is important to remember that, despite the fact that it was a cherished item, it was indeed just a tree. There can be no spiritual significance attached to it. All the perpetrators have done is show the world their true colors. “The world and everything in it will pass away, but My Word will not pass away.”
Report Post »Rob_M
Posted on December 10, 2010 at 12:02pmGood to know it’s only religous people that can be mean and intolerant.
Report Post »dablooz
Posted on December 10, 2010 at 1:53pmYour statement affirms your faith then?
Report Post »Bearfoot
Posted on December 10, 2010 at 12:02pmIt is too bad they had to cut down a tree. it is however just a tree with a non-verifiable legend behind it. Now, it seems the tree has become an idol to venerate and worship. Exodus 20:4-5
Report Post »jamesctheman
Posted on December 10, 2010 at 12:16pmNo one can physically prove everything that has been said in any Holy Book. I don’t think people pray to the tree. That would be a false idiol. I think they see it as a connection to Christianity & to Jesus as opposed to say praying to Buddah who was just a man. This would be like taking what is considered a holy spot for Islam & destroying it. This isn’t a highly well known site to many Christians but for the ones who know of it & have prayed underneath it as I have then you might feel a little more strongly about it.
Report Post »untameable-kate
Posted on December 10, 2010 at 12:18pm…and churches are just buildings. It wasn’t just any old tree, and it was cut down out of hatred and spite. Would you have the same attitude if these same people were burning churches or cathedrals?
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on December 10, 2010 at 12:31pmYes Kate. That happened fairly recently in Texas where some guys burned down numerous churches. I do not know what ever became of that story, hopefully they were caught and jailed. But they burned down simple buildings Kate. Just block and wood. The church is us! They cannot touch that!
Report Post »jamesctheman
Posted on December 10, 2010 at 12:01pmMy button has been pushed. Please help me. I want to be peaceful but I don’t know how many more lashes I can take before I take the whip back. I think back to Jesus & his suffering & what we are going through now doesn’t compare even in the slightest. His suffering was 1,000,000 fold what we see today. I still can’t keep from seeing that tree & thinking where are we. What is our purpose? It’s been lost to me from rage. I’m blinded by it & when I see this it chookes me up, then my anger level hits overload. I know this is what they want. I do. I just don‘t know if I’m strong enough anymore to keep that anger in check. This is a sad day for Christianity in the month we celebrate the birth of the Holy son. It shouldn’t be like this. I almost feel as if we have opened our eyes to the world too late to reset the course. When I see something like this I still want to believe I’m wrong, but I‘m scared I’m right.
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on December 10, 2010 at 12:09pmJesus got angry too. Anger is not a bad emotion. I can read between the lines of what you write, you know why we are here. Keep that in front, keep your witness. We know it all goes to hell in the end, and we are seeing that now. Reach those that you can and fortify yourself against the evil. We are here for a reason.
Report Post »Jezreel
Posted on December 10, 2010 at 12:57pmThere is a scripture in the book of Revelation that says, “ those who endure to the end shall be saved”. In otherwords, unless a person is a true believer, they will not be able to withstand what is coming. They will sell out to going the easy way out and they were not saved in the first place. It is part of the separation of gathering the tares into bundle to be burned, then the angels will gather the wheat into the barns. Those who warmed the pews and listened to the rapture theory will not be able to endure to the end, unless, that is that they are part of the body of Christ.
Report Post »Jezreel
Posted on December 10, 2010 at 12:00pmThe tree represented idolatree if you are getting what I mean! Cut it down. All religeous artifacts that people put faith in shall be destroyed. There will be nothing left except your faith in Christ.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on December 10, 2010 at 12:16pmIt’s history and culture that was attacked as well. We are not blank automatons who can only exist with one focus in mind. Our culture, our traditions, these things are what shape us to be the people we are. Destroy those things and we become rudderless and more importantly, malleable as we search for new anchor points in life and community.
For all intents and purposes, the religion of Christianity is being destroyed both from within (Vatican II anybody? Progressives pouring their poison into the clergy, anybody), and without. Now they’re going for the history of it as well. At least it seems like it.
Report Post »dontbotherme
Posted on December 11, 2010 at 12:17amJezreel… the people did not put their faith in this tree. It was not idolatry. It was an attack on a long tradition. What’s next? Shall they burn down our Churches too because we practice our faith inside the walls of the Church as the Nazi’s did to erase any true history of Christianity? I do agree with you wholeheartedly, that if all symbols are destroyed, we will have our faith in Jesus Christ to sustain us. Thank you for pointing that out.
Report Post »MamaofJ5
Posted on December 10, 2010 at 11:54amPeople are truely lost. I just don’t see how we turn this aroiund. A generation or two now have been raised to be so self absorbed and uncaring. People try blaming these peoples behavior on the schools, or t.v. or whatever, but it comes down to one thing, parenting, period. I will pray the tree returns to its former glory.
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on December 10, 2010 at 12:04pmFurther, the parenting is just a symptom of the main problem. The turning away from God. I know the good atheists in here do not like hearing this but that is the big problem. Some people may have a good moral compass and be able to regulate themselves but most are just self-centered takers. These riots exemplify this better than I could ever put into words.
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on December 10, 2010 at 11:53amWhile tradition is fine, and vandalism like this is a despicable act, we must remember that things like this and other religious relics are merely icons. It is just a tree. I personally do not believe in things like the Shroud of Turin because I question whether God would allow something like that to exist as it would overshadow the worship that should be directed to Him alone. The miracle is not that a linen sheet survived with the impression of Christ, the miracle is the resurrection of our Savior fulfilling the work He was sent to us to undertake. Likewise, those idiots who like to depict Jesus in obscene ways in their “art” are no more than unruly toddlers lashing out at an adult. They cannot insult the Creator and Master of the universe with their pathetic little displays. We need to always keep this perspective in mind. I hope they catch these vandals and I hope they have to pay a penalty for their thoughtless act, but at the end of the day it was just a tree.
Report Post »Konservative PUNK
Posted on December 10, 2010 at 12:01pmShroud of Turin is an old greasy rag.
Report Post »Proud AF Oathkeeper
Posted on December 10, 2010 at 12:06pmAlthough I agree with you wholeheartedly, no one or group has the right to destroy something that is held as value whether traditional or religious. I stand firmly against Islam but I also stand against burning the Quran or other disrespectful actions towards the foundation of their believes. Throughout history, these types of things have occurred and what stands out for great societies are those who refuse to do such acts therefore preserving history and traditions.
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on December 10, 2010 at 12:06pmMaybe. :-)
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on December 10, 2010 at 12:12pmMy maybe was directed at Konservative Punk. Proud AF Oathkeeper, I also agree with you.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on December 10, 2010 at 12:13pmIt’s not just an icon, it’s also centuries of tradition that was cut down. In essence, a deliberate attack meant to wipe out a venerated aspect of English culture.
I’m speculating way out in left field here, but the tree springing from the pike of the visiting clergy seems pretty clearly related to pre-Christian Germanic (and thus Anglo Saxon) belief in the Tree of Life, Yggdrasil, and likely holds a deeper link to England’s past than most “modern” relics.
That’s way out there though, just my thoughts on it.
It saddens me deeply when I see history, tradition and beliefs destroyed by wanton thugs and brutes. I had a similar reaction in the 1980′s when the communists bulldozed an ancient church in East Berlin.
Report Post »TheGoverness
Posted on December 10, 2010 at 12:16pmTrollTrainer-
Report Post »It is as if you spoke from my mind. Thank you for your post.
winoceros
Posted on December 10, 2010 at 2:05pmI agree. It is despicable, and there should be a disturbance of the peace charge, of the like, and there should be pages worth of articles sharming the Muslim miscreants and their families, if that’s possible, of course. The judge should impose labor in favor of local Christian charities as a penalty.
It is not a religious offense, a la The Religion of Perpetual Rage and Insult. It is a dastardly and unneighborly mark on that nice community. The sooner they deal with the unBrits among them, with the penalties they so richly deserve, the better.
Report Post »showourstrength
Posted on December 12, 2010 at 6:21amThough appreciate where the true miracle is, I disagree that all religious icons are rubbish to be tossed to the side. We all know the story of how Christ was executed, yet still we have a cross or crucifix in every church. These are not icons that share the glory, but simple remembrances to help to remind the troubled mind and heart. Just like the religious shrines in every small town in the latin world. A relationship with God is an individual thing. For you, an empty hand may be the best reminder, for someone else seeing the actual chains that held Peter in bondage for building the first church.
Report Post »It doesn’t matter if its a shred of linen, a small cross worn on a necklace, a scrap of wood, or a shallow limestone grave. What does matter is the meaning it has to the person viewing it. please consider this before you make the ‘all guns are bad’ argument.
powhatan
Posted on December 10, 2010 at 11:52amThis is so sad, I was just reading an article in a British Home magazine about this area and it had a photo of the tree, and the story. Very sad indeed. What is so very wrong with people?
Report Post »CatB
Posted on December 10, 2010 at 4:50pmIndoctrination ..
Report Post »IvanK
Posted on December 10, 2010 at 11:52amScumbags will be scum. While I won’t speculate on “who done it”, I image the person/s who committed this offense are most likely trying to incite the community for selfish political reasons.
Report Post »It is my sincere hope that the offender is handed over to the locals so that justice is carried out “old school”.
TruthMakesYouFree
Posted on December 10, 2010 at 11:51amThe REAL “Tree Of Life” of the Christians is Jesus Christ,, and When He Was “cut down” and PUT on a “tree” (cross to be crucified) HE Did NOT Stay In The Grave,,,, HE LIVES,,, to REDEEM sinners,,, HE DID GROW BACK,,, Lives Again,, And All WHo Believe In Him And Accept HIS Payment For Their Sindebt,,, Will Live Again Also,,, Jn 3:36 “He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life; and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him” So Believe On Jesus Now Before It Is Too Late,, Cause THIS TREE OF LIFE WILL NEVER BE CUT DOWN AGAIN,,, EVER
Report Post »Proud AF Oathkeeper
Posted on December 10, 2010 at 11:55amAmen my brother and God bless you!!
Report Post »jakartaman
Posted on December 10, 2010 at 12:08pmThanks for that!!
Report Post »ozchambers
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Report Post »dontbotherme
Posted on December 11, 2010 at 12:24amThank you & God bless. I pray that God will also end the angry, bitter vitriol that sometimes appears here so that we may all unite for one cause… The freedom to practice our faith & liberties as our founding fathers & the Lord God intended. This is His country. We honored God when we gave it to Him with our Constitution & prayers. God, please help us.
Report Post »NoDaDAZone
Posted on December 10, 2010 at 11:50amJUST SO YOU KNOW ABOUT ARABS AND ISLAM….
LINEAGE OF ARABS (Descendants of Ham) – Archeological Research garnered from tablet fragments: Hittite, Akkadian and Sumerian:
1.3000 BCE descendants of Canaan, grandson of Noah via Ham break out of their proscribed region – southern Turkey – immediately north of the Euphrates River – True “Syria”. Some move southward into the Levant. Most rename themselves As-Syrians. They garner iron from the Hittites and invade and destroy Haran, Assur (neighboring cities ) and attack Nineveh.
2.300-600 years later they have burnt Niniveh to the ground and made Babylon their capitol (Babylon founded by Nimrod I, firstborn of Ham).
3.Later the Akkadian King, Sargon of Niniveh heritage, recaptures northern Mesopotamia and conquers Babylon, making it his capitol as Niniveh was still in ruins.
4.From several recorded Sumerian records from Ubaid, Ur and Uruk tell of the children of Nimrod/children of the Assyrians evacuate Babylon and move into the North-Central grass plains of the Arabian Peninsula. THEY ARE THE FIRST ARABS(ARABIANS).
5.From previous historical records, it is known that the peoples living south of the Euphrates River, down the Euphrates River. East through the Indus region and Persia and the peoples of seacoast of the Arabian Peninsula and Ethiopia are descendants are the first born of Noah (Shem), and they do not intermarry with the descendants of Ham.
6.Midianites, at their root, are Sumerian sheepherders who later combined with offspring of the House of Abraham (a Sumerian), combined with or intermarried to peoples from the Kingdom of Sheba (Yemen) and Ethiopia.
7.MOST IMPORTANT CLUE: Every culture had a signature animal symbol. Throughout Mesopotamia and the regions of the second born of Noah (Japeth) – The Caucasus, Turkey, Black Sea (also East and West), it was the bull. You find artifact Bulls in silver, copper, bronze and other materials. The Hamites created a half-man/half-bull symbol which they called Baal. Time of origination dates to circa 3000 BCE in Lebanon at what is now the place known as Baalbek (megalithic platform structure). As for the Arabs from the grassy central plain of Arabia, over time they migrated and founded Medina. They would have been Baal worshippers. Medina was founded near Mecca which was a thriving trade center for agriculture, minerals, frankensense everything coming up from Yemen.
EMERGENCE OF ISLAM
Mohammed’s wife (Khadija) inherited the camel train cartage business when her husband died, but could not keep it unless she had a husband for legal ownership purposes. (LIKE IN KORAN) She found an idiot teenager who could not read or write, and that was Mohammed. When she died, the other relatives gave Mohammed money and they took over the business. Mohammed travels with them. Near Ebla, Syria (Modern Syria), the rich idiot Mohammed teams up with Syrian mercenaries. The cult of domination – Submit or Die – Slavery of Women, begins there. They call him their prophet and use him. Between Midian and Syria, along the road east of the Dead Sea/Jordan Valley, that’s where Mohammed has epiphany in a cave. Later they settle in Medina/Mecca.
SOURCES ON MOHAMMED: University of Chicago, Oriental Institute, Oxford in Britain (Syrian, Egyptian, Coptic, Middle Eastern, Yemeni, Ethiopian articles – English Translations)
TO STUDY THE ANCIENT CULT-RELIGION OF BAAL EXPLAINS the divergence of Islam from Judaism and the adoption of dominating, killing, lying cheating and other anti-civilization aspects. Throughout the entire ancient world, the bull which was the machine-tractor of the ancient world was depicted and revered but only worshipped by Hamites (Assyrian, Canaanites, Southern Egyptians) Baal is recorded as the God of War/Violence/Storms/Domination. These are the root aspects that were worshipped in Medina, and when Medina conquered Mecca (which worshipped the God of Israel, as all Shemites/Midianites would), they supplanted those things into the new religion – Islam.
HISTORIC INTERVIEW: artist Marc Rubin explains on Israel National Radio: http://www.marcrubin.com/judean-eve.ivnu
Report Post »MrButcher
Posted on December 10, 2010 at 12:01pmwhat about the Persians?
Tell Marc Rubin to eat his short pants.
Report Post »jamesctheman
Posted on December 10, 2010 at 12:08pmFantastic breakdown of Islam in its infancy.
Report Post »spirited
Posted on December 10, 2010 at 2:22pmAnother story about “the” prophet:
Report Post »About 600 years AD he was orphaned
taken in by an uncle in the trade business,
he married a widow,
his prophecies were (cover ups) epilepsy related,
he gained followers due to land control,
when he died –the question of his replacement was between his father-law and his wife’s son;
thus, the sunni and shiite.
Konservative PUNK
Posted on December 10, 2010 at 3:00pmChange it back to Semper!
Report Post »Lucy Larue
Posted on December 10, 2010 at 7:00pmAnd during the Desert Campaign of WWII the Arabs took no sides. They did not.
Report Post »When the battle was over the Arabs,who took no side, would scramble to relieve the dead of boots, uniforms, anything that they could..,to unclude gold crowns.
American and British forces and their allies, Germans,didn’t matter.
They embraced “DIVERSITY” in their looting.
JESUS-IS-LORD
Posted on December 10, 2010 at 7:31pmWow, very impressive! Thank you for proving with specific facts that Islam is one of the most blasphemous, false religions. May God bless you. Amen.
Report Post »jakartaman
Posted on December 10, 2010 at 11:50amWhen your government is a Nanny state – then when you say no to the kids they get cranky!
Too bad they take it out on the one thing that might save them – faith in something greater than their selfish selves.
Good luck with your global warming and sharia laws also!
Report Post »Proud AF Oathkeeper
Posted on December 10, 2010 at 11:46amReminds me of the National Socialists Party in Germany burning 2-story high piles of books. The destruction of history by a select few due to their conflict with the facts and the want to “Lean Forward.“ Or maybe when the Taliban destroyed two large and ancient stone Buddhist statues in Afghanistan for being a violation of their ”religious views.”
Report Post »Sjah
Posted on December 10, 2010 at 11:46amThis is absolutely despicable.
Report Post »SocietyOfUniversalKnowledge
Posted on December 10, 2010 at 11:59amNo more Rock Festivals in Glastonbury until the tree grows back. They want to act like children, then they shall be treated like children.
Report Post »felina g
Posted on December 10, 2010 at 4:35pmReally bad juju.
Report Post »MrButcher
Posted on December 10, 2010 at 11:45amThis is an abomination to human culture!
Talaban-esque in its execution.
Destroying religious landmarks is wicked, cruel and tyrannical.
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Has this been tied to the riots yet? I haven’t found any info on it. But I suspect it is.
Report Post »Brad Wesselmann
Posted on December 10, 2010 at 12:04pmIt’s just a symbol, the true power comes from the Faith, and that can only be destroyed if we allow ourselves the indulgence of arrogance.
1 Corinthians 10:23: “Everything is permissible”–but not everything is beneficial. “Everything is permissible”–but not everything is constructive.”
Just thinkin’ but ——-what do you think Joseph of Arimethea was doing in England 2000 years ago?? ;-)
Report Post »untameable-kate
Posted on December 10, 2010 at 12:04pmThank you for your response. I was wondering if you would post on this one. I also thought that you would come out against this wicked act and I was not disappointed.
Report Post »I don’t know anything about thas type of tree, but I think it will grow back just fine.
Good try, to whatever A-hole cut it down, it is overpruned but will most likely grow back thicker and healthier than it was.
LadyLiberty
Posted on December 10, 2010 at 12:32pmThis makes me sad and disheartened for those living in the UK at this time.
Report Post »MrButcher
Posted on December 10, 2010 at 1:03pm@ Brad
Joseph of Arimethea coming to Britain with the Holy Grail has all the makings of a myth. As does how this tree supposedly came into exsitene by the placing of his walking stick on the earth. I think it is easily explained: the early christians in britain during the middle ages wanted a holy place on their land that they could go to and see without hopping the english channel and hiking through europe all they way over to the middle east. A journey which most likely would have resulted in death. But the myth was started and it grew. Actually this tree is a perfect example of how and why religious icons appear.
But they do have value because it is part of the culture and history. Attacking these symbols, physically, and destroying them is an act of a vexatious thuggery which no civilized people should tolerate. The Talaban famously destroyed the gigantic awe-inspiring ancient Buddist carvings of the Buddhas of Bamiyan. Revolting! These acts are very similair.
The big question is who was responsible? I don‘t think it was muslims but I don’t know. It is more likely this was done by someone with an affinity to the rioters in London. Politically motivated (keep in mind the Church of England is still an official state run church with compulsory education of its tenets: but it is church that is as watered-down as George W. Bush’s bourbon currently is—I’m sure some leftist student would see this as a great target to strike against in retalliation to the imaginary imperialism of england.)
Or it could have just been some jackass kids who didn’t understand the viciousness of this action.
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Let me be clear: destroying religious icons is an affront to freedom! I’m all in favor of attacking the ideas and beliefs of religion because they are fair game when others try to use them to enforce their morality on others but destroying churches, burning crosses or mosques or synagogues, relics, icons or physically attacking the faithful is a crime and needs to be punished harshly.
@Kate
Absolutly. I’ll attack religon all day long but will never condone this kind of behavior. I take great offence to these things. Perhaps more so than believers.
I’ll shut up.
Report Post »heavyduty
Posted on December 10, 2010 at 1:15pmSorry MrButcher: It’s just a tree. Maybe a tree with some significance attached to it. But a tree none the less. Was it wrong to prune it back so much? Probably!!!! But it was still just a tree. Like posted before me, the faith comes from with in. If you read the Bible, Jesus cursed the fig tree because it didn’t produce any fruit. I am not saying that they shouldn’t be punished for damaging a tree. But alas it is just a tree.
Report Post »ozchambers
Posted on December 10, 2010 at 4:30pmMr. Butcher, your post to Brad was outstanding. I agree with you on much of what you wrote. I am a believer, unlike you, but I respect your intolerance towards those who attack the icons of the faithful (of many religions). I dont believe for a second that this tree has any connection whatsoever to Jason of Arimethea, but for many the tree is a symbol of their Christian faith and cultural history and a direct tie of their land and country to Biblical history. I also believe that a Christian’s faith must be rooted and found in Christ alone, but that doesnt mean that we should ignore these attacks on symbols of our faith as well as others faiths. I wonder if those who feel that this crime warrants no outrage also feel the same about desecrations of the cross? After all, the cross itself bears no power except in its capacity to inflict death. But it reminds us of both the sacrifice God suffered on our behalf as well as the power to overcome sin and death through Jesus Christ who conquered, conquers, and will conquer.
Report Post »Country
Posted on December 10, 2010 at 7:42pm@Brad Wesselmann, Joseph of Arimathea was a tin merchant and had mines there.
Report Post »chiaku
Posted on December 10, 2010 at 11:29pmMRBUTCHER- Joseph’s presence in the British Isles is perfectly reasonable as travelers from the Middle East and Northern Africa were documented throughout Europe very early on. As far as a tree growing from a staff, as a country boy I have seen throughout my life “green” (not fully seasoned) fence posts become trees. Myth, legend or fact, this is someone’s cultural tradition and heritage.
Report Post »proudinfidel54
Posted on December 11, 2010 at 3:50pmGood ole Atheist Mr. Bullcher I am beginning to think you are just a myth…wishful thinking I guess, you discount countless facts and you are explaining your way right into the furnace wake up before it is too late.
Report Post »Konservative PUNK
Posted on December 10, 2010 at 11:43amTHEY are trying to incite riots! It is becoming very obvious. These are ALL coordinated attacks, designed to get a violent response. That includes Westboro Baptists trying to make Christians look evil. This is another act to inspire chaos.
Report Post »NapoHill15
Posted on December 10, 2010 at 11:58amThe power of suggestion . . . At this very moment it is very possible that Mr. Obama is consumed with the thoughts of cherry trees and George Washington; of making the drive over to Mount Vernon, finding a special tree . . . one so dear that he too can let everyone know he is “hopeful it will grow back.”
Report Post »FromtheBasement
Posted on December 10, 2010 at 12:03pmI don’t think this is part of a coordinated effort or conspiracy, beyond that perpetrated by (dare I say it?) Satan. I believe that violence and hate feed on themselves. People who do this kind of thing justify themselves in many ways, mostly hypocritical. Far too often the liberal mantra is “We’re going to force you to tolerate, accept, and teach our liberal ways in the name of freedom and respect! But we don’t have to do the same for you.”
Report Post »WVremembersFLIGHT93
Posted on December 10, 2010 at 12:17pmThis is NOT the struggle that we must die for. It is the struggle that we must be willing to LIVE through.
Report Post »RealProgress
Posted on December 10, 2010 at 12:36pmI agree with FromtheBasement that “violence and hate feed on themselves.” This is why I call on the right-minded people here to denounce the violence and hate that is written by many posters here. It only hurts our message.
Report Post »NFYRx
Posted on December 10, 2010 at 12:44pmDon’t worship trees.
joe3
Posted on December 10, 2010 at 1:35pmI could be that the radical element of islam in the uk did this. It will be interesting to see what facts are discovered. This was a religious target, not a state target. So why? It was not the radical tree huggers. Normally the radical muslim jehad terrorists would fess up, so hopefully it was just kids.
Report Post »G.W. Dobbs
Posted on December 10, 2010 at 2:45pmCOMMUNISM, SCOLIALISM, NAZISM, PROGRESSIVES are ALL “ANTI-YAHWEY” (The True Eternal God, The Creator of Heaven and Earth). They have become so emboldened that they are
Report Post »“pushing”, having been successful in removing God in other ways (Abortion, Christmas, Schools,
Prayer, etc.). WHEN WILL CHRISTIANS YELL “STOP”? We need to fight these Heathern Atheists
at every turn. They are destroying our World in this Spiritual Battle. Onward Christian Soldiers.
Stuck_in_CA
Posted on December 10, 2010 at 3:48pmJoseph of Arimathea was Mary‘s Uncle and Christ’s Kinsman Redeemer. It was his tomb Jesus was buried in.
During the so-called ‘lost years of Jesus’, as a young boy Christ spent his time traveling the countries in Europe with Joseph the tin trader.
If you are interested in learning of this part of Jesus’ life, there’s a book titled, “The Traditions of Glastonbury” by E. Raymond Capt. Amazon has it for $10.75:
Report Post »http://www.amazon.com/Traditions-Glastonbury-Biblical-Missing-Answered/dp/0934666105/ref=sr_1_15?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1291936149&sr=8-15
TXPilot
Posted on December 10, 2010 at 4:27pmChristians are becoming the targets of both Muslim and secular hatred…..mostly because we tend to try to be peace loving people. Don’t know about the rest of you, but my need to remain silent is ending, and my desire to see Christians become a “hardened target” are rising. It’s time to stop taking it……
Country
Posted on December 10, 2010 at 7:31pm@Stuck_in_CA, It is amazing to think that Jesus might of rested under this tree when he lived there.
Report Post »Brooke Lorren
Posted on December 10, 2010 at 9:16pmJoseph of Aramathea is supposedly my greatx70 grandfather. If the records that were passed down were correct, his grandson Belin was in Britain. I don’t know about him or his daughter Anna. It would make sense though. Christianity spread very far after the death of Jesus.
Report Post »CYCLONE
Posted on December 11, 2010 at 7:49pm@ fromthebasement….. oh yes… it is Satan……lol….
Report Post »getalong
Posted on December 12, 2010 at 9:34pmI wonder if the rioters in UK realize how stupid they look to the world. What exactly are they trying to accomplish?
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