FBI Increasing Its Monitoring of ‘Sovereign Citizens’ — But Why?
- Posted on February 7, 2012 at 9:37am by
Jonathon M. Seidl
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The FBI has been paying closer attention to “sovereign citizen” extremists around the country out of concerns that they will react violently when they interact with government officials. But if you dig deeper, the FBI’s attention raises questions about why focus on this group as opposed to others.
But first, who are sovereign citizens? They’re a mixed bag. Some reject their U.S. citizenship and don’t recognize government authority, like laws and taxes. But others don’t, and are more concerned with private property. The website Sovereigncitizens.org explains:
Our goal is to educate and inform the American public about the very real threat to the United States of America as we have known it – coming from many different institutions that make up our government and policy infrastructure. We hope to teach those who wish to remain free how to recognize this threat and disarm it in their communities.
We do NOT endorse non-payment of taxes or violence to achieve these changes. We do NOT endorse giving up a social security number and we do NOT endorse violence against the police or the government. [Emphasis added]
In 2009, the FBI started paying closer attention to the movement, which previously had been grouped with the militia movements in the bureau’s domestic counterterrorism operations. Many people who claim to be followers of this movement are involved in white collar crimes like tax evasion schemes and making fraudulent documents, the FBI said.
In fact, a Reuters report sheds more light on what a majority of this group has been up to recently: “Legal convictions of such extremists, mostly for white-collar crimes such as fraud, have increased from 10 in 2009 to 18 each in 2010 and 2011, FBI agents said.” That’s an increase of eight crimes.
That’s in stark contrast to, say, the Occupy Wall Street group. Compared to the 18 arrests in 2010 and 2011 for the sovereign citizens, the number of Occupy arrests by just December stood, according to some, at 5,214. There have been many more since the start of the year. On top of that, the Occupiers have also displayed a violent hate of police.
Still, the FBI has its sights set on the movement.
“We started to notice a heightened potential for violence,” said Stuart McArthur, deputy assistant director of the FBI’s counterterrorism division.
Speaking to reporters at the FBI’s national headquarters, McArthur said that while sovereign citizen ideologies are protected by the constitution, there have been instances when extremist members have turned to violence.
“The thing about generally sovereign citizen extremists is that because their ideology just intrinsically deals with the rejection, complete rejection, of the constitutional authority of the United States or any other government for that matter … that when you have an encounter with law enforcement, we have seen that has a potential to go high and right very fast,” McArthur said.
McArthur used the 2010 example of when a man and his son shot and killed two police officers during a traffic stop in West Memphis, Ark. The man was a sovereign citizen who previously had only been on the FBI’s radar for white collar scams, he said.
Since that day, the father of one of the slain officers — Brandon Paudert — has been touring the country speaking out against the group. In fact, one local paper hat covered one of Bob Paudert’s speeches said he characterizes the group as “radical Christian terrorists:”
Paudert said there is little difference between the sovereigns, who he deemed radical Christian terrorists, and radical Islamic terrorists.
“These people combine their beliefs with religion,” he said. “They believe it’s OK to kill a police officer, not to pay taxes, to give your mortgage up, to not register your vehicle. And then they’ll quote scriptures from the Bible. That is a dangerous combination, and most law enforcement officers are still unaware of the dangers.”
“60 Minutes” covered the story, and the group, earlier this year:
Since the enhanced focus on the group starting in 2009, the FBI created a national strategy to address the issue, which includes briefing state and local law enforcement around the country on signs to look for and how to prevent violence.
Casey Carty, a supervisor in the bureau’s domestic terrorism section that leads the sovereign citizen extremist program, said that people in the sovereign citizen movement do not tend to gravitate to one specific part of the country and reside in nearly every state. Carty also said that age, gender and race are not consistent among the movement’s followers.
All this isn‘t to say that there aren’t individuals within the movement that should raise some red flags. But the question remains: why would the government go out of its way to note it’s monitoring these individuals — which admittedly seem to be preoccupied mostly with white collar crimes (18 of them most recently) — and yet so many government officials have gone out of their way to praise the Occupy movement.
Curious, no?
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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expatinontariocanada
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 10:27amPlease search the internet (notice the verb “g**gle” is no longer in my lexicon) for “UCC Strawman” and you‘ll find out more about what’s behind this movement. There is a basis in law for the “sovereign man” based on the “strawman”. If you’re ever in front of a judge for a criminal or civil matter, as a defendant, say this:
“I move to dismiss on technical grounds. I did not receive full disclosure upon the creation of the strawman that is printed on the court papers. According to the UCC I do not knowingly and willingly act as agent for this strawman. I was not instructed to print the word “agent” after my signature. There is no injured party. I am not a person as defined by the law.”
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 10:45amI sympathize with what you’re trying to say, but the fact of the matter is that you cannot beat them at the legalist game. They invented the framework, you are simply allowed to participate as they see fit. If you construct the most perfect logical and sound legal defense, they’ll simply tell you “so what” and do as they will. Ultimately, they know that they have the big guns. The legal system at this point is only to allow you to think that you’re participating as somebody with rights. Fact is, you are not.
I say the same thing to folks who think that they can beat the IRS with legalisms. They can’t. If you want to win, you do as you will (within the restraints of morality) and tell nobody else you’re doing it.
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 10:45amDid anyone notice in the article about North Korea obtaining US drones supposedly furnished by Syria..that the comments have been closed? Does anyone know why this would be?
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 10:51amC O M M E N T S o n t h e D Ro ne S tory are D i s abled Anyone know why?
Report Post »NOTALOTTAYITTAYADDA
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 11:05am@JG U can’t beat them b/c u don’t know the rules, fact is they don’t know them either, @L not the low level. Listen to bill T, or how the “legal system” came to be.
@ash2 Lockhead Martin (a US MIC contractor) manufactures AMMUNITION in CHINA to sell to N. KOREA, the gen public is not in the loop.
When pleading Guilty or Not Guilty, you have entered into a contract. You can AVOID this contract, but they don’t want you to realize it. By avoiding this mistake at least be more informed of your position in the court.
Report Post »THE JUDGE IS JUST A REFEREE TO MAKE SURE ORDER IS KEEP.
Communicate on PAPER, and be specific.
Locked
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 11:09amJust checking, but by “UCC Strawman” you’re referring to the Redemption Movement, right? The conspiracy theory that, on birth, the US government creates a fake “strawman” of yourself and deposits $630,000 they can use as credit, which is put in an account to be controlled by a shadowy Jewish cabal?
Might want to point out that this “theory” has been consistently ruled against every time someone tries it in court, and many of its biggest proponents are in jail for fraud and tax evasion.
Moral of the story? I’d recommend a good lawyer over something you read from a conspiracy theorist on the internet.
Report Post »expatinontariocanada
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 11:17amTo Ghost: While you might be correct most of the time, you are incorrect when and if the country’s restored to land of laws and not men. When jurys are asked to apply a law that does not exist, like the one claimed to exist to allow income tax confiscation, and do not fall for the “how will the country exist without its ability to tax income”, or “what message will you send to the country if you allow this person to win”, or “all chaos resulting from your ”innocent“ verdict will rest on your shoulders”, and declare “not guilty”, we will have come all the way back. Do I expect it in my lifetime. No chance. But for my grandchildren and great grandchildren…God willing.
Report Post »Ruler4You
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 11:40amPersonally, if you didn’t expect surveillance to increase with technology, then you really aren’t watching the ball at all. Welcome to your life. There is no turning back.
All you can do is learn to live with it, now. And get smarter.
Report Post »TomFerrari
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 11:57amAt least he admits that he sees religion as a THREAT TO GOVERNMENT !
Imagine if we had a government of necessity – one that existed to PRESERVE OUR RIGHTS – one that is Constitutionally BOUND and LIMITED – one that SERVES the people; doesn’t RULE the people.
Report Post »Such a government would, IN NO WAY, be threatened by religion.
So, which one is out of control?
Religion that existed LONG before our government?
Or, the government that has grown itsself to such beheamoth proportions, that IT”S EXISTENCE is threatened by the very things it is chartered to protect! – RELIGION, FREEDOM, and LIBERTY !
GhostOfJefferson
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 12:01pm@Expat
That’s not much of a refute. Of course I could be wrong if the entire system if overthrown and another one established. I could also be wrong about gravity being 9.8m/s/s if the planet explodes.
As it stands today, they control the game. They control the framework, you cannot get around them if they want you, legally speaking.
I’m all for bucking the sytem however, just do so knowing that no matter what, you really have no legal recourse if push comes to shove, even if “the law” seems entirely on your side. Trying to sell people on the notion that you can out legal the legalists seems a bit dangerous if you ask me (dangerous to those who might heed your advice).
Report Post »hologram5
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 12:01pmIt might work if we were under constitutional law but sadly we are not. We are ruled under English Common law which is quite different than Constitutional law. Check it out, it is true. We have no rights under Common law and it’s not even the law of the land but it is forced upon us.
Report Post »STAR SPANGLED SPAMMER
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 12:11pmI am… and have been a Sovereign citizen for a little while. I am also a law student. I have total respect for Police and the Sheriff. The simple fact is….. ( The police and sheriff are “NOT” part of the excutive branch ) I say embrace your local police and edify them on oath keeping, the UN and agenda 21. These officers are our last, local line of defense when the UN decides to invade us with N.A.T.O.
Here is the problem…. The brother of the fallen cop, is going around the country painting sovereigns as violent. He needs to shut his mouth and get his facts straight before he spews such false and generalized rhetoric.
And to the F.B.I…. Its up to you also! Stand with us against this injustice of the U.N, The Queen and the Rothchilds. You are whats known as a useful idiot in this war of freedom. And they will dispose of you also when they are through.
Yes im a Sovereign… I dont not conform to the EZ form of law. I am not sheeple, I will not enter the ship! F.B.I., C.I.A. Police and any other law agency operating unlawfully out side of D.C. has no jurisdiction over me.
As for violence? We are lied to, pushed around, sprayed from the air, taxed, fined etc etc… with no justifcation or representation. We have been pushed around way to long.
Magna Carta was created why? The people were going to cut the kings head off for not listening to them. History is bound to repeat itself, the king of today will bow to the people once again. OR THEY CUT HIS H
Rowgue
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 12:42pmThe strawman defense has been tried hundreds of times and it’s never worked once. If you want to use your opportunity to defend yourself to make an idiotic political statement about a loony toons conspiracy theory then more power to you, but you’ll end up in prison.
The truth is that the redemption movement whackos and the people they’re talking about in this article are just common criminals. The redemption movement was invented as an excuse for tax evasion. And the people they‘re talking about in this article aren’t really sovereign citizens, they’re just trying to co-opt some of their ideas to justify their own criminal activities.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 12:46pm@STAR SPANGLED SPAMMER
So which law school are you flunkng out of? Your post is nothing more than a laundry lists of myths and conspiracy theories found at disinform wars and in every militia compound. The Federal Government and its enforcement agencies’ jurisdiction is not limited to D.C., the Sheriff is a bill collector and not can not over-ride Federal Jurisdiction.
“The brother of the fallen cop, is going around the country painting sovereigns as violent. He needs to shut his mouth and get his facts straight before he spews such false and generalized rhetoric.”
As proven by your quote, militias are violent, deranged folks, who can not handle the truth when it is presented to them.
“Stand with us against this injustice of the U.N, The Queen and the Rothchilds. ”
Somebody needs to go back on his meds and stop listening to Alex Jones. Honestly, you just believe the pysch ward you live in is a law school?
Report Post »expatinontariocanada
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 12:51pm@ Ghost: Since when is right versus wrong not a refute? Is it not right that the US was SUPPOSED to be a nation of laws and not men? Is it not right that there is NO LAW to allow for income tax confiscation? Is is not right that when you use the word “legal” you are relying on a corrupt system made so by those who are corrupt? Right is right. You sound like you’ve given up. All it takes is 10% to unify behind a belief, principle, a goal, what’s right, for change to occur. Again, I’m too old for this to come to be in my lifetime. But to all who are young(er), or have kids, grand kids or hope to someday…FIGHT for what’s right! Show me the IRS code that allows for income tax confiscation and I’ll shut up…
Report Post »sonnetswan
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 12:58pmThis is just a prelude to the planned false flag attack. Just the globalists way of saying grab your popcorn.
Report Post »jb.kibs
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 1:00pmah… yeah, so citizens who believe they own themselves and their property are crazy huh?
Report Post »“admit your are a slave or be detained.” – the voice of tyranny
jb.kibs
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 1:09pmThe Truth about the 16th amendment.
Report Post »http://www.thepriceofliberty.org/04/04/16/greenslade.htm
WAKEUPUSA2012
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 1:12pmThe treasons hijacked government is cracking down. They are getting ready to perform false flag terrorist acts. They will carry out these terrorist acts. Then they will blame conserative libertarian Ron Paul types. And all you neocons who were so happy to live in a police state because it was to stop the muslims will find out the police state IS FOR YOU. So get ready you idiots. The government is coming with its false flag attacks.
Report Post »Bible Quotin' Science Fearin' Conservative American
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 1:12pmYou guys are worried about big brother tracking and monitoring you when capitalism has been doing it the whole time and then packaging and selling the info. Spend a while reading about that stuff and you’ll feel pretty violated and hopeless. Think about how many times you’ve been asked to provide your zipcode and birthday for something online. With just that info, there is an 87% chance they can pinpoint specifically who you are. Every one of use has a cookie on our computers right now that’s tracking all our moves and building profiles on use that are sold to advertisers. You get these cookies from major sites who deny knowledge of them when discovered.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 1:17pm@JB
I agree the income tax is wrong and unconstitutional. That doesn‘t mean you’ll win a court case. Many folks in jail have tried.
If you wish to evade taxes, do so, and I applaud you. But don‘t think you’ll win in court with legalisms if they come to get you, as jail is filled with lots of folks who thought they could out legal the people who invented the system. The first rule of thumb when dealing with draconian police states is to not let them know you’re defying them, regarding things like taxes.
Report Post »smithclar3nc3
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 1:48pmGOJ wrote, I agree the income tax is wrong and unconstitutional. That doesn‘t mean you’ll win a court case. Many folks in jail have tried
Report Post »Two words Ghost Jury Nullifacation.
It only takes ones the jam up the system. One person to agree that taxation of income is Unconstitution or that taxation is constitutional but the means of distribution visavee political favortism is Unconstitutional. One person who thinks like you claim to think…..And it’s back the square one. Fact is the court have created an unconstitutional enviroment by attack nullifacation and applying law as an absolute. If a man kill some for his shoes and another kills someoen for raping his daughter the courts try to convict on the same statute. Jury’s nullifacation allows the Jury to consider other issue than outside of governmental statutes it is the corner stone of the PEER jury system and court after court have fought to remove and attack any attempt at nullifacation. The courts are the enemy which also makes the law the enemy no matter how well intended.
Treaty
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 1:48pmBible Quotin‘ Science Fearin’ Conservative American (aka Rainbow Flag Wavin‘ Religious Hatin’ Liberal american)
Report Post »There is a huge difference between a company collecting data on your purchases so that they can tailor ads versus the government monitoring your activity so that they can target you with arrest and imprisonment. Most of us don’t subscribe to government intrusion like you do.
GhostOfJefferson
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 2:00pm@Smith
That’s rolling the dice and hoping you getsomebody who is not only intelligent enough to realize jury nullification exists, but who can fly below the voire dire questioning and not get excluded from the get go.
Willing to bet your home, livlihood and ability to not spend the rest of your life in jail on that kind of odds gamble?
Legalism is always the path of ruin. I know however that the lure of finding “a loophole” is strong to the point of fanaticism, and once somebody is convinced that somehow they can beat a rigged system where others didn’t, they won’t be convinced otherwise.
If you must, I wish you luck. I‘d rather live free because I know it’s right and not because I think I can somehow slip through a loophole and all the government will do is gnash its teeth.
This may seem unrelated, but I really wish people would read about Satan’s attempt to tempt Christ, and really, really read closely and think very clearly about what was communicated.
Report Post »smithclar3nc3
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 2:14pmGOJ wrote
That’s rolling the dice and hoping you getsomebody who is not only intelligent enough to realize jury nullification exists, but who can fly below the voire dire questioning and not get excluded from the get go.
Willing to bet your home, livlihood and ability to not spend the rest of your life in jail on that kind of odds gamble?
Seems to me I recall a story of a group of men willing to risk their lives fortune and sacred trust to stop tyranny…….I think might have heard of one of them went by the name Jefferson….Thomas Jefferson as I recall. or maybe your refering to Ghost of George Jefferson in your name if that is the case hope you move on up.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 2:25pm@Smith
By all means then, openly evade the income tax while simultaneously holding the belief that you can fight it in the current legal system, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. If your “system” worked, then every lawyer in the land would be using it to release millions of folks from the unconstitutional burden of the income tax. Take a look around, is that happening?
Here’s a clue. The Founders tried to appeal to the British legal system, and discovered quickly that the game was rigged and that they could not win under that system, playing by the rules of legalism. Their solution, as you may not be aware, was to stop trying to “win” in that system, and to take actions to permanently withdraw from being under the foot of British law altogether.
Waving flags and jingoism may sound great, but when you realize that what I’m advocating is exactly what the Founders advocated, whereas thinking you can win in the rigged game is what the crown Loyalists in American wished for, you’ll begin to see where you may be mistaken about my intentions.
If you wish to withdraw from the system, then be a man, stand up, and do it, in open defiance and with clear conscious, or if you prefer, quietly and without attracting attention. Don’t think you can have your cake and eat it too by trying to play petty legalist games with snide lawyers.
Report Post »Bible Quotin' Science Fearin' Conservative American
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 2:44pmTREATY
If you think that is all there is to it then you clearly haven’t read anything on it. It’s a WHOLE LOT MORE than your purchase history. If you were wise to the sheer amount of personal information being collected by “reputable” companies then you would be appalled. I don’t want anyone spying on me, government or otherwise.
I’m talking about stuff like this.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703977004575393173432219064.html
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703940904575395073512989404.html
Report Post »Brooke Lorren
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 2:58pmI’m a citizen of Heaven first, but as long as I’m not asked to do something immoral, I’ll play the game down here (this is why I don’t fly, in order to avoid having to confront someone trying to force me to do something immoral). That being said, the Bible says “render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s” and by extension, render unto George Washington and Benjamin Franklin all that good stuff. Heck, even the most valuable of what they have down here (gold) is used as pavement up in my hometown.
That being said, if the government wants to murder me because I recognize that there’s a higher power, then I wouldn’t be surprised. It’s probably been about a decade since I believed that I would die a natural death. I don’t believe in hurting others, but I don’t believe in participating in immoral acts like TSA strip searches or posing for porn pictures.
Report Post »its_time_to_arrest_our_government
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 3:20pmhere is the real reason they are watching us. they know the word is getting out that Obama is not constitutionally eligible and are afraid blacks will start a civil war if they remove him. they need to fear us if they don’t remove this illegal from our white house. read it for yourself….. America we are being lied to and they stand by and do nothing while an illegal destroys our nation.
http://obamaballotchallenge.com/were-fbi-agents-carrying-out-orders-when-they-said-that-enforcing-the-constitution-regarding-obama-would-cause-a-civil-war
Report Post »smithclar3nc3
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 4:11pmGOF are we advocating Revolution? I say teach the children where the real power lies not a falice court system but IN THE PEOPLE educate the masses on nullifacation and the true intent of the Jurist Peer System. Break down the system with case after case law that contradicts the tyrannical systematic warehousing criminals.
Report Post »I see the breakdown and the irreconcilable wedge pushing between those who value freedom over security and those advocate the opposite. Those who view politic as sport and those who view as a choice of serious consequences.
Jinglebob
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 4:36pmPlease be careful what you post on this site and others. The government is making a list and checking it twice. You could find yourself……….
Report Post »Wolf
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 4:39pmI’m a soverign person. To hell with being a citizen. I am who I am, a child of the Living God, I am not a citizen or a robot or a shill for any government.
Report Post »Bible Quotin' Science Fearin' Conservative American
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 5:21pmJINGLEBOB
You can rest easy knowing that they can’t abduct every single right wing loon. They would need an empty jail just to hold the nutbags on this site alone.
Report Post »Brooke Lorren
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 5:32pmI‘m sure that I’ve been on a list for years. The only question is, is it the red or the blue list? I am not going to be silent about being a Christian just to stay off some list. We shall fear God and not man.
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 6:05pmWAKEUPUSA2012 As a right-wing NeoCon if they round up Paul & his bots and send them to a camp, its okay with me. Paul spending the night with a guy named Big Bubba makes it worth having to live under a police state……. (sarcastic)
Report Post »WAKEUPUSA2012
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 8:20pmSir you are so stupid and are such a threat to liberty I wont even respond to what you just said. Your more than likely a boot licking coward. So I know that when the ish hits the fan ill be the one fighting and you will be the punk whos in the camp. Us patriots wont let them take us. Ron Paul has done more to further the caus eof liberty than you could in a thousand lifetimes. I pray for your soul. Cause you sound like a real piece of work who will be prayed on.
Report Post »WAKEUPUSA2012
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 8:20pmSir you are so stupid and are such a threat to liberty I wont even respond to what you just said. Your more than likely a boot licking coward. So I know that when the ish hits the fan ill be the one fighting and you will be the punk whos in the camp. Us patriots wont let them take us. Ron Paul has done more to further the caus eof liberty than you could in a thousand lifetimes. I pray for your soul. Cause you sound like a real piece of work who will be prayed on
Report Post »RightPolitically
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 10:26amNo sense asking the question of “why.” Leftist Obama and his stooges within the FBI are hell bent to go after people on the right while giving a pass and pat on the back to OWS and other leftist activists even if their display of violence outpaces that of the right by ten to one. Expect nothing less from the corrupt Obama Administration. January 20, 2013…. they are GONE!
Report Post »cessna152
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 12:09pm1/20/2013 they’re gone? I wish I was confident enough to think that. One of two things will happen, they’ll be gone but the framework will stay regardless. They‘ll stay because they put things in place that can’t force them out…the latter is what I believe to be true. We are being taken over, they know it, we know it and they are doing what they want. It is a “win-win” for them. How?
1) They make changes, new laws and order (a takeover) and we do nothing because we are honest citizens.
2) They make changes, new laws and order (a takeover) and we fight back, now they have a legitimate reason to takeover the “crazy, right wing extremist religious zealots”. We are demonized and outcasts.
They take us over either way. It hinges on who the military sides with..However, this is where we need to be diligent in prayer, fasting and sticking together regardless of any differences.
Report Post »last frontier
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 12:33pmAmerica has reached a dangerous tipping point the Democrats are allowing 50% of the country, welfare fraud, illegal immigrants, ms13, corporate fascism, voter fraud, Cartels war on the border, Islamic militia camps, and OWS in every city do what ever they please, protected by the courts. meanwhile viewing law abiding citizens, anyone that pays attention to the constitution, Tea party members, and traditional Christian Americans as the enemy of there vision of our country. When Republicans return to office the other 50% they will replace the heads of these agencies with there own who will view the Marxist radicals above as enemies of this country and the radicals above will view them as as a hostile take over of what they have been working hard and fast to build and will rebel against the Republican administration with violence aided and supported by the media. If a Republican wins watch how fast the liberals head to the courts to start repealing many of the laws the Obama administration has put into place and watch how fast OWS and SEIU turn violent. Both sides have sold us out to Global powers that is why this is happening in the first place just one side has sold a little more than the other.
Report Post »JohnnyMidknight
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 1:00pmGlenn stated exactly what I have been stating on this site since the creation of OWS. The agenda of the administration is to get the extreme right out on the streets and attack the OWS movement. This is why the administration, and progressive governors and mayors, does nothing to prevent the OWS movement.
This is a sign of what is to come. Demonize the right. Make it seems fringe and in line with terrorist activity. The push is to make the right afraid for their lives by showing a biased system. It is to get the right upset and violent (as they think we are unintelligent, red necks [no disrespects to my peeps]). They want us to see America, our citizens, and our businesses threatened by both OWS and the progressive leaders.
The second we engage by force, Martial Law will be declared and it will become illegal to be religious, conservative or a true liberal (IE libertarian). They will label us as traitors to the nation and the oppressive majority. It is a game, and we are losing. Electing Romney or Gingrich will not solve it. The issue is that we as citizens have not defended our politics on the State and Local levels. On federal elections, we have been more concerned about who is President and fail to see that the issue is with the Legislative Branch. We are creating the dictatorship with our habits and unwillingness to be burdened with politics, minor inconveniences, and responsibility.
Report Post »Jefferson
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 1:01pm@CESSNA152
“It hinges on who the military sides with”
“Ron Paul Military Donations Nearly Twice Those of His GOP Rivals and Obama–Combined
Active-military men and women support Dr. Paul about three times more than Obama, and six times more than combined Republican opponents.”
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ron-paul-military-donations-nearly-twice-those-of-his-gop-rivals-and-obama-combined-2012-02-03
That’s why the corrupt media ignores and marginalizes him. That’s because he is the ONLY one who can be trusted to stand with the Constitution, and WE The People.
Recent developments like the NDAA and build up to war, are specifically for rounding up people who stand in the way of an agenda that has been in place for a very long time.
Report Post »Many of the mouth breathers here think these draconian laws are just for Muslims, but have no clue that they are designed for them.
They gladly cheer the noose that is being lowered around their own necks. Our Govt. has been hijacked, and being driven off of a cliff. They are preparing the public for another false flag attack, and it will most likely be blamed on some person domestically and or link them with Iran.
Obamney Newtorum = More of the SAME
last frontier
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 1:40pmThere bringing this out the same way they did the gun shows selling weapons to the Cartels {Fast & Furious} in conjunction with the media 60 min, NATGEO, MSNBC to “EDUCATE” the country about what is going on, then start cracking down everything they can get there hands on. This time through NATGEO, they are “EDUCATING” the country by making a show about the goofballs on Doomsday prepers so the nation can stereo type anyone that is concerned about the state of this nation Christians, Conservatives, home schoolers, Tea party members, Military vets, Ect. Ect.
The chief of police on the news in Seattle the other day said that stabbings on the public bus system is down to only 1 stabbing every 7 days and that was a good thing and the FBI is worried about 8 crimes in a 2 year period.and no one is worried about the fast and furious guns killing one of our border agents. Upside down days in “AmeriKa”
Report Post »rose-ellen
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 2:56pmislamic militia camps? The only islamic militia camps that exist are or were in the mid east[afghanistan ,pakistan,yemen etc] because the west unjustly meddled with them and because[lebanon] of the unjust european zionists occupation of land seized in the 67war.There are no islamic militia camps here.
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 5:40pmLAST FRONTIER Sad to say but what you said I mostly agree with………makes me wonder if the down scale of the military by Obama is a purge???
Report Post »last frontier
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 6:27pmMary Ellen just because ed bradley or diane sawyer didn‘t spend 15 minutes on it doesn’t mean they only exist in the middle east, people like this will eat naive people like yourself for lunch so get on board and pay attention.
Report Post »http://www.wnd.com/2012/01/381953/
JDF10487
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 10:26amIt seems to me that our government is trying to create a pre-text for going after those of us who are concerned about government tyranny.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 10:32amNah, its that “sovereign citizen” are loons, living in militia compounds. They are nothing more than modern day confederates and traitors whose view have fueled racist and domestic terrorists, they are the nuts that worship Timothy McVeigh.
Report Post »PatriotNAmerica
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 10:46amencinom<<< Marxist enemy of the US Constitution.
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 10:59amPatriotNAmerica
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 10:46am
encinom<<< Marxist enemy of the US Constitution.
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Did you mean encinom = Marxist enemy…
Nah, he is just a moronic, brainless, basement troll. He is not smart enough to be an enemy of anything except himself.
Just read his posts and laugh at the stupidity, I would not bother responding. It is pointless.
Report Post »carolewash
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 11:03amFirst they say it then they do it. Here it comes folks. Prepare if you haven’t and pray. Notice how they always throw sound bites out to see how America reacts?
Report Post »encinom
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 11:36amPatriotNAmerica
Report Post »Posted on February 7, 2012 at 10:46am
encinom<<< Marxist enemy of the US Constitution.
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Sure and you're a basement Confederate, believing in the nonsense that Beck and other conspiracy theorists tell you.
drago
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 12:26pmGive enviloon a break people, this idiots off his meds again,and his WoW account has expired……
Report Post »ShyLow
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 1:10pmHere is how you end Big Government…It is the TEN % plan…each county collects a 10 percent sells tax.The county keeps 90% and sends ten percent to the state…The State keeps 90% of that then sends ten percent to the federal…the state and federal will be forced to live with-in what they get…the state will be forced to cut the budget for the state police…the federal will have no I.R.S. The Fedreal will only be able to fund the Military
Report Post »STAR SPANGLED SPAMMER
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 1:45pm@Encinom. Thanks for the kind words, sounds like the same retort I would receive from a child. Just by opening your mouth and saying the things you say, proves your education goes no farther than a ******* Jack box or a Bazooka Joe comic strip. Get an Avatar on here and I might listen to you.
Your just a troll on a Soros payroll spending your entire day here contributing nothing to society. Your words have no true meaning. All your doing is spouting off in my ear like a misquito. Anything I post here is fact of knowledge.
Looks like I hit a nerve, for you to single me out like that though ;)
All that troll work down the drain cause I showed up with facts huh? loool! Too bad.
(“Trust nobody”)
Report Post »encinom
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 4:41pm@STAR SPANGLED SPAMMER
Your welcome, again, judging by the conspiracy theories you present, you are wasting your money in law school, as you are flunking the basics. There is no support for the views that you claim, other than Alex Jones approved websites and militia compounds. The Sovereign Citizen movement is a racist fraud with no backing in the law or in history.
“F.B.I., C.I.A. Police and any other law agency operating unlawfully out side of D.C. has no jurisdiction over me.” You are in law school, where is the case law that supports this statement?
ou are offering nothing more than a litany of debunked theories pur forht by neo-confederates, traitors and racists.
You are a fraud, and either lying about your status as a student or wasting your time and money in law school.
Report Post »WAKEUPUSA2012
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 8:43pmencinom
Your a idiot for calling that whole movement racist and saying it has no place in common law. Who do you think helped win the war aginst England? The MILITA. What do you think the nation guard was until the treasons government came and nationalized it? A MILITIA. The constitution gives us the RIGHT to have militas. So you take your scary ass outta America. Your the kinda punk that would go to a FEMA camp. The NWO has been openly talked about and proven. Thru davos and the CFR. The troops grow the drugs the CIA deals them and everyone is working for the off shore banks. Your the kinda guy who would get slapped in the face by a cop and think you deserved it. Then they throw you in jail and you thank them and think its trendy, cause FOx news tells you to LOVE IT. YOUR TRENDY!
Report Post »encinom
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 11:27pm@WAKEUPUSA2012
During the Revolutionary War the milita ran from a fight, we won because of the regular army not the cowards in the militias. And today’s the militia movement is nothing more than wannabe confederates playing army in the woods. Nor does the Constitution give the red necks and inbreds a right to form a militia, the Second Amendment only mentions a well regulated militia.
FEMA camps, NWO, davos and CFR, you’re just repeating the latest paranoid fantasies of Alex Jones and Ron Paul, you are just a frightened little child afraid of some make believe boogey man.
Report Post »WAKEUPUSA2012
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 1:42pmlol ur so stupid, im laughing out loud at how stupid u sound. you call people racist who dont think like you. you think alex jones is the first and only person to talk about the NWO. your so stupid. I can show you white papers written by bergine brezinski saying the al quidea works for the west. we got them to attack us on 911. Then they talk about modern day eugenics thru vaccines and BPA and flouride. I pray for your little soul. now go watch fox news so you can learn whats trendy today.
Report Post »jcizarter
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 10:24amhttp://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2012/02/06/fbi-enlists-internet-cafe-owners-to-spy-on-customers-2/
If you pay cash, using fiat money, you may be a person of interest.
Report Post »JDF10487
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 10:23amWhy are my comments not being posted?
Report Post »JDF10487
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 10:22amIt seems to me that our government is trying to create a pre-text for going after any and all people who might be opposed to government tyranny.
Report Post »smithclar3nc3
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 11:30amBingo
Report Post »bhohater
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 12:16pmYou got that right. Don’t think for one minute that “Big Brother” isn’t monitoring comments posted on The Blaze.
Report Post »girlnurse
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 1:07pmYes for those who have eyes to see and ears to hear…..
Report Post »2theADDLED
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 4:30pmThey are monitoring now and have been I like to ad to my dossier on me every now and then and feed them bits whether true or not no one knows. But remember Clinton, Reno and the debacle atwaco. Instead of chasing the admitted tax evaders like Buffet and sheehan they have to have some story to tell the media never believe what is on the media do your own homework.
Report Post »Hi Guys
pamela kay
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 5:01pmJDF10487,You nailed it. None of us here are safe. I am both Christian and conservative. (2 strikes) I have no police record yet because I purchased one gun (which was only a .22 rifle that I had to have a back ground check) I am most likely considered a terrorist. (3 strikes, am I out?) This is very frightening. I am an older woman with not so great health that chose to continue to work rather than recieve government assistance but I am a threat? Really?
Report Post »PointBreak
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 10:21amThis is infuriating. The 400 pound painted pig they’re using as an expert is stomach turning. The attitudes expressed are EXACTLY the reason America is in the trouble it’s in. This hit piece is strictly designed to keep anyone thinking about bucking ‘the system’ in line. Every second of this is a lie, it is manipulative and is disgusting. Shame on 60 Minutes.
Report Post »Buck Shane
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 10:16amThis is the same kind of logic used by federal officials for having to shoot Randy Weaver’s son in the back and his wife in the head while she was inside her house with her baby in her arms – in front of her other children. What was Randy Weaver’s crime? He sawed a shotgun off one quarter of an inch too short at the direction of an ATF employee. Weaver and Keven Harris were also shot in the back, but survived.
Report Post »afishfarted
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 10:25amThe reason for increased surveilance is simply because Socialism and–dare I say–Marxism is on the rise, and the feds want to know who will resist. Simple as that. Occupiers are useful idiots of the puppet master. The Soveriegn man has no puppet master, meaning he/she is not easily controlled
Report Post »muddpuddle
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 10:34amSounds like profiling to me.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 10:58am“He sawed a shotgun off one quarter of an inch too short at the direction of an ATF employee.”
… who he met at an Aryan Brotherhood rally and introduced himself as an illegal arms dealer, whom Weaver then purchased from. The government was wrong in the Ruby Ridge incident, but don’t try and hold Weaver up as a paragon of innocence.
Report Post »Buck Shane
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 12:01pm@ Locked
Weaver was a Green Beret. He ran for County Sheriff. He was not a member of the Aryan Nation.
Report Post »He was a religious man, and his religion ruled his life.
As far as a can find, he never hurt anyone.
You said, “don’t try and hold Weaver up as a paragon of innocence.” I don’t think I did.
But now it’s back to you. What crime did Randy Weaver commit other than the sawed off shotgun related charges?
Locked
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 12:18pm“You said, “don’t try and hold Weaver up as a paragon of innocence.” I don’t think I did.
But now it’s back to you. What crime did Randy Weaver commit other than the sawed off shotgun related charges?”
None. The FBI was definitely wrong in their actions (as I said). The situation was a terrible combination of bad luck, miscommunication (the subpoena situation, which Weaver was charged on), incompetent government agents, and too much willingness to shoot on both sides. But that’s the thing: both sides acted badly. It‘s definitely right to say that if the US agents hadn’t fired, Weaver‘s family wouldn’t have been hurt. But if Weaver‘s family hadn’t fired and killed an agent, it wouldn’t have escalated to the situation where his wife was killed.
If the feds had gotten their act together and not messed up the subpoena dates, they wouldn‘t have gone to Weaver’s property and started the firefight. And if Weaver hadn’t been going to Aryan Nations and World Congress rallies and dealing in illegal weapons, none of it would have happened.
Both sides made bad decisions, none of which should have resulted in the tragedy.
Report Post »Buck Shane
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 12:45pm@ Locked
Good posts.
Report Post »One thing, though, the agent was not killed until after the 13 year old boy was shot in the back. Harris was himself under fire when he dispatched the agent. It all happened on Weaver’s property. He was not the belligerent; he was a hermit. He moved to the mountain top to get away from all us heathens. We are all heathens because we were not of his rather unique form of christian theology. He didn’t want to hurt us; he wanted to avoid us.
Am I wrong?
yiska8
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 1:02pmRuby Ridge and Waco fueled McVeigh. The government made a good soldier in McVeigh and that same government’s actions created a domestic terrorist. Weaver was getting by selling guns or whatever to get by in the hills of Idaho. He wasn’t planning a terror attack on the U.S. He wasn’t OBL or Chemical Ali. The 1990‘s were AG RENO’s TIME to shine. That awful man, I mean woman, did a real assault on the Weavers and the innocent people led by guilty-crazed cultist Koresh at Waco.It was OVERKILL from all standpoints. Weaver may have broken some gun laws, but he didn’t shoot an innocent woman in the head holding an infant. Poorly trained FBI agents did that. Sam Weaver did what any American boy raised in rural America would do. He tried to defend his family from the onslaught and got shot in the back for it by the FBI. They even shot the dog. These two incidents I hope are still used by the FBI as examples of WHAT NOT TO DO for agents in training. But why should we paranoid Americans worry about surveilance overreach by their Government? There’s no precedence or need to question or worry, right?
Report Post »yiska8
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 1:14pm@Buck Shane
Report Post »Your version is how I remember it. Weaver was made out to be a right wing racist separatist. That was the favorite buzzword for people back then, “Separatist or being a part of a Separtist movement”. Today they are called survivalists or preppers. Weaver was a hermit and didn’t want to be bothered by society. I’ll always feel some empathy for the man regardless of what he was charged with. He wasn’t hurting or wishing to bring harm to anyone unless he got messed with. Why else would he move to the mountains of Idaho? Now look at how people are trying to buy land and move away from urban environments in preparation for the downfall of American society.
yiska8
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 1:21pmHere’s a link to Weaver speaking about it.
Report Post »http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTOqQ7RoxjA
Locked
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 1:28pm@Buck Shane
“He was not the belligerent; he was a hermit. He moved to the mountain top to get away from all us heathens. We are all heathens because we were not of his rather unique form of christian theology. He didn’t want to hurt us; he wanted to avoid us.
Am I wrong?”
I couldn’t tell you for sure (because I haven’t read up enough about it), but that sounds like what I’ve heard. Weaver had been accused of being part of the Aryan movement, but his family denied it. It didn’t stop him from attending their rallies, though. And I definitely agree that the parties involved had the right to defend themselves.
The issue was, of course, that both sides thought they were in the right. The feds thought they were dealing with a gun-crazy white supremacist who was ignoring subpoenas and defying the law. The Weavers thought they were being persecuted for their beliefs and associations, and would never get a fair day in court even if they complied with the laws. Both sides were willing to shoot first and ask questions later.
@Yiska8
I hope they study these cases as well. My point was that paranoia and lack of communication on both sides are what caused Ruby Ridge. The government had a lot to answer for after it; they screwed up badly. But it‘s also true that Weaver didn’t defuse the situation at all either. Someone could have backed down (ideally both sides), but neither did. The end result was a dead woman, boy and marshal.
Report Post »Perkins
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 1:29pm@ Locked
Ok, then how come the government only managed to convict him of failure to appear and violating bond (not even the original charge) when they tried him for all these crimes they claim he committed? Not to mention the whole failure to appear was after they sent him a letter with the wrong date on it. But you go right ahead and keep repeating the government lies. Just don’t expect me to cry for you when they kill your wife and children. Vae Victus.
Reason magazine
Report Post »http://reason.com/archives/1993/10/01/ambush-at-ruby-ridge/singlepage
and a website with the Wall Street Journal Article dated June 30, 1995, p. A14. I’ll let you deal with trying to find a hard copy
http://www.stormfront.org/ruby.htm
Buck Shane
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 1:34pm@ yiska8
Donald Scott, the heir to the Scott Paper fortune, was shot and killed in his own home.
Report Post »At about 6 AM on Oct. 2, 1992, 31 officers from the Los Angeles Sheriff’s Department, Drug Enforcement Administration, Border Patrol, National Guard and Park Service broke into his home and killed him.
They sent 31 officers from five agencies. The reason for the raid was to steal his land.
They sent The Border Patrol more than 150 miles from the border.
They sent the National Guard and the Park Service.
But don’t worry. There is no reason to be concerned.
By the way, Donald Scott was not guilty of anything.
yiska8
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 1:47pm@Buck Shane
Report Post »I hadn’t heard of the Scott case, but cases of government overreach are usually quickly forgotten, covered up, media blackout, or twisted. It doesn’t surprise me. I’ll look up the case, if I can find anything on it. What the heck did they accuse him of if they just wanted the land? Unpaid taxes? Eminent domain? Those are the first two that come to mind. The 1990′s were an orgy of government overstepping, but compared to the soft socialist takeover of the first Anti-American President today, the 1990′s pale in comparison.
Buck Shane
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 1:51pm@ Locked
Good discussion.
Report Post »Weaver was entrapped. He was not a smart man, and they wanted him to rat out members of the Aryan Nation. He couldn’t because he was not in the Aryan Nation. He had taken his kids to a picnic at the church they had at their camp and was approached by the ATF employee. Weaver was there to get his kids hotdogs – he was very poor at the time. It took the government employee almost 8 months to convince Weaver to do the work on two shotguns.
Not only was he not convicted on the weapons charge, he never even put on a defense at trial.
Kevin Harris, who killed the agent, was acquitted, and walked out of court after the trial. Weaver was given a sentence to offset the time he spent in the clink before the trial – to try to save us taxpayers money in the inevitable suit that would follow. This mess probably cost us $20,000,000.
Most of what is out in the world is government coverup.
But there is nothing to fear from overreaching government.
Buck Shane
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 1:56pm@ yiska8
They thought this multimillionaire former jet setter had marijuana plants growing on his land. If they found 18 plants, they could take his land.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 2:07pm@Buck Shane
Indeed, good discussion, I‘d had my hands full looking up and verifying the things you’ve mentioned; seems you’re quite right in most of it.
Report Post »yiska8
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 2:39pm@Buck Shane
Report Post »I did check out the case. I’d never heard of it. Unbelievable, yet totally true. No marijuana found or cultivation of any kind being done on the property. They killed Mr. Scott for his land. Period. And no one ever lost a badge or their freedom for this treasonous act against an innocent American citizen. Fed, and local police always cover for each other or try to from felonies to misdemeanors. Anything you and I would go to prison for, they just are above the law.
Just check out the major headline from our local paper and news today:
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/article/Officers-accused-of-crash-cover-up-3085551.php
Buck Shane
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 3:17pm@ yiska8
At the time, nobody knew who Randy Weaver was, but everybody knew who “White Separatist Randy Weaver” was. In the news, he was never called anything else.
Report Post »He was not a White Separatist, he was a hermit.
Gerldo Rivera took a crew and flew over the cabin during the siege and reported that Weaver had shot at him. He later admitted it was a lie, but that was an example of the reporting at the time.
But, don’t worry. The government will protect you
Locked
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 10:14am“But the question remains: why would the government go out of its way to note it’s monitoring these individuals — which admittedly seem to be preoccupied mostly with white collar crimes (18 of them most recently) — and yet so many government officials have gone out of their way to praise the Occupy movement.
Curious, no?”
I didn’t see any sources on this… is Seidl saying the FBI doesn’t monitor anarchist groups, anti-semitic groups, or others who make up the more dangerous and fiery portions of OWS? Because I know of at least one group that is actively tracked (unfortunately I can’t write their name, as it contains language that would make it not be posted, as I’ve found out in the past).
Looks to me as if they’re tracking both. Most of OWS are useful idiots who will get arrested for protesting in the wrong place but are otherwise harmless; but the dangerous people behind the scenes aren’t unknown to law enforcement.
Report Post »shogun459
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 11:02amTo tell you ahead of time that the fix is in.
To Scare you into keeping you head down and your mouth shut.
To desensitise you to the coming Marxist Police State.
No really, it‘s just because they’re dumb.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 11:11amI think you might have responded to the wrong comment, because your words seem to have nothing to do with mine, nor did they answer the question (”Is Seidl saying the FBI does NOT track the extremist and violent portions of OWS?”)
Report Post »Byrdi
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 10:14amThis is a much better explaination than Yahoo had. They made it sound like Ron Paul was a terrorist. I get the difference now between being a “sovereign citizen” and being a citizen who talks about sovereignty. Still what words now flag the FBI on the internet? Who doesn’t talk about taxes, regulations, and sometimes sovereignty? Most people do. Because I find the regulations to be oppressive, does that make me a terror suspect? I hope not but wouldn’t doubt it.
Report Post »RagingJudge
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 10:34amWe’re all already on the watchlist. Don’t kid yourself.
Report Post »brandtgolden
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 10:13amWhat the heck!!! when Bush wanted the FBI to find out about someone or group he was allways shut down by the left, now it is OK. If the left would have had there head out of there behinds OWS may not be as broken as it is now.
Report Post »guido.cavalcanti
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 12:31pm@ brandtgolden Your man Bush is the reason most of this exists, don’t be fooled into believing this is a “left” or “right” issue, it’s a State issue.
Report Post »wbedding
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 10:12amok, so the government is putting emphasis on the “sovereign citizen” problem while terrorists, drug cartel members and drugs flow like Niagara Falls into our country through our southern borders. who’s more of a threat to our country? people who have the 1st amendment right to say what they think or drug lords and members of Middle Eastern extremist groups who want to kill our citizens? you do the math, Barry. more of our citizens have been killed in the Middle East and in our border states than have been killed by these “sovereign citizen” groups. heck, more people die in our cities from murder than this scenario. just another attempt by the Socialist-In-Chief to get our guns and activate his Brown Shirt Civilian Suppression Forces.
TEA!
Report Post »AmazingGrace8
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 11:07amWell said! Agree 100%
Report Post »TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 10:10amAs always… when there is a story about shady folks, shady deeds and shady connections there always seems to be a connection to Ron Paul or the followers of Ron Paul. Why is that?
Do shady folks, shady deeds, shady connections and the “Revolution” for Ron Paul go hand in hand?
Maybe… maybe not. But you can google this organization (or most anti-government/law enforcement/authority/military topics) and include Ron Paul/supporters and read all kinds of bad, bad stuff. Jus‘ sayin’…
Report Post »@leftfighter
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 10:15amYou don’t have to be a Paulsie to be sympathetic to this movement.
This nation has cancer. The Soverign Citizen movement is just one part of the chemo cocktail.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 10:16amThat was absolutely pathetic. Good gravy, find something productive to do with your time.
Report Post »common cents
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 10:18amTIME_2_END_THE_ RULE_OF_LAW ? What a Chump, Who are you? and just what Anti American /
Report Post »Anti Constitution Group do you belong to?
KidCharlemagne
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 10:32amYou sound like an Obama sympathizer these days.
Report Post »TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 11:50amYeah KID… I’m a spokesperson or shill for the Obama administration…. riiiiight. Obama AND Ron Paul along with BOTH their little revolutionary mini-me’s are part of the problem… not the solution.
If you think connecting or aligning yourself with fringe, or extremist organizations is the way to show your proud patriotism… go for it… the KKK, Stormfront, Neo-Nazi’s, Timothy McVeigh sympathizing militia organizations and Weather Underground style movements are always recruiting. But most of you already know that… don’t you?
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 12:02pmAnd you’ve just dug the hole labeled “pathetic” even deeper.
Blanket statement, much?
Report Post »TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 12:34pmGHOST. Based on your pic here… you fashion yourself as the “world’s most interesting man” or something to that effect I guess? So, tell me something interesting? I seem to have missed something.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 1:09pmWhy? You‘ve made up your mind about anybody who doesn’t see life as you do, and you blanket condemn entire swaths of humanity out of some kind of insecurity with your own beliefs. I‘ve nothing really interesting to say to you I’m afraid.
Slainte
Report Post »TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 1:36pmJust call ‘em as I see ’em GHOST. “Condemn entire swaths of humanity?” Just a bit over the top with that one, but nope, not condemning anyone. Just being someone who is secure in his beliefs pointing out the obvious and calling them out on it. Fringe right mentality is no better than fringe left mentality and the craziness that comes along with it or inspires it. Both Obama and Paul certainly inspires it.
Report Post »progressiveslayer
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 1:59pmTime 2 You really need to see a shrink,your obsession with all things Paul is outrageous.Almost every article you comment on you invoke the name of Ron Paul,the article could be totally unrelated to Paul and you somehow find a way through the twisted logic of a mad man attach Paul to the story.
Ron Paul doesn’t support this group yet you insinuate Paul does,you need to get Paul out of your head for your well being and you’re welcome.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 2:02pmYour comment made me giggle. You don’t see it.
Oh well, hope your day gets better.
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Posted on February 7, 2012 at 2:44pmSLAYER. I know, I know, you groupies for Paul would rather we all pinch slap each others’ arse cheeks the way you folks do in your collective support for little Ronnie Paul. But what fun would that be if everyone was as love struck as you Ron Paul mini-me’s? Not everyone can be a rube, so it’s left up to Paul supporters, along of course, with Obama supporters to show us the way. I ain‘t buyin’ the BS. Ron Paul may not necessarily be associated with this particular group (or at least denies association, but we’ve heard that before-Newsletters etc), but don‘t tell me that Ron Paul supporters don’t have a connection to this organization (and others of the same stripe) and sympathize with it… that would just be plain old disingenous on your Ron Paul arse pinching part.
Report Post »progressiveslayer
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 3:03pmPaul supporters and Obama supporters are of the same ilk? You‘re worse off than I thought so I’ll simplify it for you,Ron Paul and his supporters want the government to govern within the bounds of the constitution,and you have a visceral response to Paul and his constitutional message of limited government.That leads me to question your motives,I digress however,back to the comparison.Obama and his supporters are Marxists,the two groups are polar opposite.End lesson You’re welcome.
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Posted on February 7, 2012 at 3:50pmTime2.
Report Post »I have seen you use that exact same post (the first one). This is what you do – you patrol theblaze website and whenever you find an article about some anti-government or kook-group, you paste that comment. that is lame sir. You go out of your way to satisfy your ron paul vandetta – nobody buys it.
TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 3:57pmSLAYER. I guess you’re right about Ron Paul… it’s rare to find a candidate who appeals to both Code-Pink AND neo-Nazis.
Report Post »Nemo13
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 10:07amGun sales are up. Food stocking/etc is up. I’d say many many groups and indivuduals are preparing for something. The trouble with the domestic enemies in office is that they do not understand that we are not Europeans. We are not like any ruled people. We know what freedom is. We know what gun and property ownership is. When it comes to the end, we will not give it up. The people of the USA are unique in that fact. That is why a messed up govenment will always lose in the end here. They will never change or defeat the people here.
Report Post »expatinontariocanada
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 10:22amFrom your fingers to God’s eyes…!!!
Report Post »yiska8
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 2:53pmHere, Here!!!! That is what defines us from most human beings on the planet. Your post says exactly what deep down the evil Obama and his minions fear most. Total pushback by the majority of the American populace. Our country has never known royal rule since we told King George to go to hell. We are born free. We‘ve already tasted it and it’s almost genetic at this point. I’m sure the Michael Bloombergs or Rachel Maddows of the world will the first to be looking for a gun or someone who knows how to use them to defend themselves or protect them when everything comes down.You cannot know freedom and then have it taken without a fight. Europeans do not know this to the extent we do. It’s inherent. If the government is trying to take away your guns,religion, and bibles, CLING that much harder to them.
Report Post »capecod1
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 10:05amHow else will they be able to tell which side we are all on unless they watch us? Seems to me they will be looking to fill the FEMA camps with only the most deserving home grown terrorists right? No way they would round up conservatives… right? The crickets chirping answers my question. Look out Paulbots you guys are first.
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 10:04amWe are seeing a group being set up for a take down; the administration will use them or another small group they can persecute for setting a precident for further constricitng of our rights and freedoms; while preparing for further smashing down on group after group.
Report Post »beckyspatflaveredstew
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 7:43pmTime to hang together or surely we will be hung separately.
Report Post »Arc
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 10:03amThe FBI may simply be trying to get a “ leg up ” on the potential violence should this administration attempt to create a SOCIALIST form of government here in the REPUBLIC. Stealth
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 10:25amAttempt?
Have you looked around since the early 1960′s? Dude, they’ve implemented a lot of socialism already, it‘s precisely why we’re in the most debt of any society in history. From medicare/medicaide up through Obama’s Nazicare, into Social Security and food stamps/ADC. We’re drowning in socialism, the world is drowning in socialism. Look around you at the blind fools screaming gleefully for more of it, even as the very system collapses.
Report Post »Smokey_Bojangles
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 10:02amSO Does that mean I was right and the NDAA and Patriot Act are being used against the Tea Party?
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 10:07amThey are being used against more than the Tea Party; this is a massive set up for anyone who is standing in oppostion to the admin. Remember, like a frog put into a warm pot of water, turn the heat up slowly and it will set there until it boils to death.
So the admin of Obama is slowly going after the small groups; and getting us comfortable with their actions, as many have with the Occupy bands (in discounting the true danger they represent) until the hammer comes down hard upon us all.
Report Post »jcizarter
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 9:57amdo you think the FBI would work without a pay check?
Report Post »would the Senators and congressmen work without a pay check? Cut up their credit cards and send them home.
Arc
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 9:56amThe FBI is merely trying to “get a leg up ” on the coming violence if an attempt to form a SOCIALIST GOVERNMENT in Washington DC is made This might be a good sign to go stealth( black)…………
Report Post »sawbuck
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 9:56amI guess Barry is safe for now… If their only looking at “Sovereign Citizens”.
Report Post »jcizarter
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 9:56amWe have to get rid of this government. Period.
Report Post »The people running it are actually ruining it and WE ARE paying for it.
Stop paying taxes, you are supporting our downfall.
sawbuck
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 10:00amThe only way to stop the funding ,is to take away their printing press.
Report Post »I do agree with Ron Paul on this Issue.
Mateytwo Barreett
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 9:51amBut, but it’s for the greater good! I hope they use bar codes and not numbers, I always like the way I look in stripes. But only vertical.
Report Post »Smokey_Bojangles
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 10:10amIt is for our own good Comrade Barret.And the good of the Collective.
Report Post »BlazingHetero
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 9:47amJ Edgar made a mockery of civil rights, the Constitution by building the Justice Department (misnomer) into a monolith able to surveil without regard for due process. The bureau continues his proud tradition to this day.
Report Post »objectivetruth
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 9:43amNothing curious about it.They see them as a resistant movement for and from tyranny.Unfortunately we have officials at all levels that wish america was a police state just like in good old nazi germany.Unfortunately some in the milita soverign movement equate them as all being like this.Nothing could be further from the truth.In essence the majority are once again being punished for the beliefs of the minority.Business as usual
Report Post »krjones
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 9:52amBoy, you just got added to the list!
Report Post »wbedding
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 10:13amadd me to the list too, then…
TEA!
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Posted on February 7, 2012 at 10:31amAdd me Too! I’m a Dangerous Bible reader!
Report Post »RagingJudge
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 10:59amMe too, I have 14″ shoe laces! Damn my shoe size!
Report Post »SanDiegoCountyCitizen
Posted on February 7, 2012 at 12:18pmDon’t forget Ruby Ridge… The Federalist commander of which now wears the Sheriff’s badge in my County. It‘s no wonder that he won’t issue CCW permits to law abiding citizens!
Report Post »Trick
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 10:46amwaco, ruby ridge
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