Crime

Fed Appeals Court Says Urging Obama Assassination Is Lawful Online Speech

A divided federal appeals court ruled that a Southern California man was wrongly convicted of making online threats against President Barack Obama two weeks before he was voted into office. The man’s messages, while ruled legal, are certainly provocative. He posted the following comments online:

“Re: Obama fk the nig*ar, he will have a 50 cal in the head soon“ and ”Shoot the n*g country fkd for another 4 years+, what n*g has done ANYTHING right???? long term???? never in history, except sambos.”

Below, watch a 2009 KNSD-TV clip that offers additional details:

These short notes were posted on the Yahoo! Finance web site by Walter Bagdasarian early in the morning on October 22, 2008. Officials became aware of these messages when another board member (a retired Air Force officer) tipped them off. It was then that the Secret Service was able to trace the messages to Bagdasarian. Wired has more:

Bagdasarian was found guilty of two counts of criminal threats to a presidential candidate. The La Mesa man was sentenced to two months in a halfway house. He appealed.

In hearing the appeal, the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco did, indeed, find his comments “particularly repugnant,” as they directly encouraged others to engage in violence. That said, the judges found that neither of the comments fit the “threat statutes” under which the man was convicted.

While the government argued that Bagdasarian had a .50-caliber gun at home (the same model he mentioned in his online post), no one reading the messages knew, for sure, that he had a gun. Thus, there was insufficient evidence that either of his statements were real threats. Additionally, there was no evidence that a reasonable person would definitely construe his comments as legitimate threats.

“The evidence is not sufficient to support a conclusion that a reasonable person who read the postings within or without the relevant context would have understood either to mean that Bagdasarian threatened to injure or kill the presidential candidate,” Circuit Judge Stephen Reinhardt wrote for the majority.

Circuit Judge Kim Wardlaw dissented, noting that Bagsasarian owned a .50 caliber gun.

“That Mr. Bagdasarian later made a public apology does not detract from his intent at the time; his intent to threaten harm to candidate Obama generated fear for the candidate’s safety and mobilized the Secret Service, which tracked Mr. Bagdasarian down,” Wardlaw wrote. “Mr. Bagdasarian did not come forward; the Secret Service had to locate him.”

Bagsasarian, who claims he had been drinking when he initially wrote the posts, has surely learned his lesson.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

Comments (158)

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  • Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
    Posted on July 19, 2011 at 8:57pm

    I am completely torn about this. On the one hand, it’s expressing an idea OTHER than a direct, “I will kill _fill_in_politician_here_.” On the other hand, it’s still a form of political violence that, if followed through on by ANYONE, makes American governance an even more unpleasant thing than it already it. Then again, if choice politicians were deleted prior to making certain choice political moves, American governance would be greatly improved.

    I’ve, from time to time, contemplated a bureau of state-appointed (not federal) agents whose only authority was to assassinate federal politicians who were proposing unconstitutional laws, to insulate the Republic from bad decisions, rather than let the bad decisions be made and then hope the Republic survives the process of shaking it back out. Might make a good sci-fi/political thriller.

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    • jhaydeng
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 9:03pm

      Um…I think you probably could have found more on this guy if you wanted to. Stupid people make stupid statements and also do stupid things. I think threatening a government representative is an automatic go to jail card until you wise up!

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    • Bill Rowland
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 9:24pm

      Lets face it, what he threatened was crazy. We need to get rid of Obama by impeachment or via the ballot box. Look at the line of seccession – Joe Biden any one -.
      Why make Obama a martyr for the left??

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    • cessna152
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 9:52pm

      The “Declaration of Independence” is very clear what we are to do with treasonous, give money to the enemy, tyrannical leaders….it is VERY clear. What this guy said was an opinion and if he was convicted of speaking his opinion we may as well live in Cuba where they doing the same thing.

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    • Zer0
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 9:58pm

      Gross. Disgusting. I cannot stand the commie S-O-B (Obama), but to advocate/encourage murdering him (or anyone else for that matter) is considered free speech?! Give me a break! Now if someone said they believe he should be tried as a criminal and executed under the law, that’s one thing, but murder? C’mon!

      For some context, advocating our president’s assassination is protected free speech, but praying at the steps of the Supreme Court is not. Progressive logic = INSANITY

       
    • Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 9:59pm

      This court may have ruled that he was protected in his speech and thus unduly and unfairly found guilty of criminal charges; the fact remains there is a border line between free speech and making legitimate threats in encouraging someone to take action against anyone.

      The line is why and for what reasons you are making such motivating threats; and it is indeed a very fine line that is best never to approach in my own opinion.

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    • IAMNOTKNOWING
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 11:40pm

      Pretty pathetic that a so-called Judge would rule that it’s okay to suggest/voice an “opinion” about killing any sitting President.

      Even so, I wouldn’t fall into that trap.

      I’m no Constitutional expert, but I seem to remember that you can have your azz thrown in prison QUICK if you make ANY KIND OF THREAT towards the President.

      I can’t stand our President. Everyone KNOWS he‘s a freakin’ commie.
      But, I wouldn’t threaten his life. That’s just stupid.

      … even if a Judge says it’s lawful.

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    • Wolf
      Posted on July 20, 2011 at 12:02am

      The First Amendment is the First Amendment. So we don’t allow freedom of speech, what’s the next to let them have? Why not just give them all our freedoms, close the cell door behind us? Of course, the only ones who won’t be behind the bars are the commie libs and their **** followers.

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    • jb.kibs
      Posted on July 20, 2011 at 12:38am

      “posted/sent by you” online is speculation and not an accurate identification.

      one word. Virus.
      An easy to write virus could email the president from your computer with ‘the deadly phrase’ …
      Also, how hard would it be for them to fabricate an email from you? answer… a child could do it.

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    • RepubliCorp
      Posted on July 20, 2011 at 1:07am

      JB.KIBS Good point……but that is true with every crime and a jury doesn’t look kindly on those that fabricate to put someone in jail.

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    • KnowingTheFuture
      Posted on July 20, 2011 at 1:09am

      might make for tyrannical government. ya think

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    • Puppy
      Posted on July 20, 2011 at 2:22am

      As much as I dislike Obman and his administration; in no way should it be legal for anyone to threaten the life of a president. Crazy or not, he should be treated or put in jail.

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    • A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
      Posted on July 20, 2011 at 4:26am

      The threat to elected officials’ lives, and arguably even to that of the President in the case of conspiracy to effect treasonous ends, is inherent in the Constitution – though it is definitely the case that in the absense of a broader conspiracy including elected officials, only the Congress can convict the President for Treason, and only Congress gets to decide the punishment for his Treason.

      The very oath to uphold the Constitution is an acknowledgement that their lives are on the line should they violate it. That’s what the Second Amendment is for (and why this Administration is trying to restrict the inalienable right to forcibly defend oneself, if necessary, from corrupt government).

      I present you this very argument from the portion of our Constitution called the Bill of Rights.

      US Constitution, Bill of Rights

      “THE Conventions of a number of the States, having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best ensure the beneficent ends of its institution.”

      …

      “Amendment II

      “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

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    • Taquoshi
      Posted on July 20, 2011 at 7:11am

      Most respectfully, it seem to me that I remember a certain movie that was made in Canada a number of years ago about assassinating the President at the time [Bush] and the progressives applauded it. So, this seems to fit right in with the whole scenario.

      I do not support violence against any politician, but there are some that I sure would like to see take a permanent job or vacation someplace like Greenland, Antartica or Swailand.

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    • Jezcruzen
      Posted on July 20, 2011 at 7:55am

      Two and one half years ago I might have agreed, but not now. Besides, where was all the concern when the ********/marxists were saying similar things about Bush? *sound of crickets chirping*

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    • smithclar3nc3
      Posted on July 20, 2011 at 11:00am

      His speech is protected but his grammar should be criminalized.

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    • MONICNE
      Posted on July 20, 2011 at 1:10pm

      The Blaze contains inflammatory posts similar to those – all the time. Sometimes, the worst ones get pulled.

      The DemonRats are watching, and will turn hate into Gold.

      TEA

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    • A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
      Posted on July 20, 2011 at 1:55pm

      @MONICNE,

      “The Blaze contains inflammatory posts similar to those – all the time. Sometimes, the worst ones get pulled.
      “The DemonRats are watching, and will turn hate into Gold.”

      Whether actual hate exists or not, and whether hate is justified or not, the Democrats/Progressives will turn it into “gold”. It‘s part of Saul Alinsky’s tactics.

      Good luck trying, I say. I am well aware of nuance and usually have a great time exposing their arguments as manufactured class warfare.

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    • teamarcheson
      Posted on July 20, 2011 at 3:20pm

      All of these 9th Circuit Judges were approved by the US Senate, ask the US Senate what they intend doing about this insane ruling. Threatening the life of the President or and member of Congress is against the law.

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    • smithclar3nc3
      Posted on July 21, 2011 at 10:01am

      Hey teamarcheson,
      The President‘s life is no more valuable than yours he’s just a man and this particualr President is a man damaging the country at breakneck speed. And while I don’t advocate anyone shooting anyone whose not directly threaten them. I will say life is life(except for murderers,rapist,pedaphiles..and other vile criminals) and the punishment for threatening the president should be the same punishment for threatening you,me or joe shamoe. My only question after that would be did he attempt anything remotely close to what he stated? If so then you could argue that he attempt to murder the president and then he could be charged with attempted murder. And setenced accordingly

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  • jzs
    Posted on July 19, 2011 at 8:51pm

    This is a victory for the Tea Party and this website! As the THEFORCE said above, “Take obamama out by any means Period!!!” Suggesting that some lone wolf assassinate the President of the United States is really what all Tea Party members and all conservatives want. Many have the guts to say it right here on this website! And you can feel secure now that encouraging crazy people to kill the President is protected speach. I’m glad that Tea Party members, like you here, are finally speaking out about their true beliefs and desires about race and the President’s lifespan. This guy IS the Tea Party.

    But I do wonder what Freud would thing about the reference to “obamama.”

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    • tower7femacamp
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 8:57pm

      EMERGENCY BANKING ACT March 9, 1933. President Roosevelt called for a special and extraordinary session of Congress in Proclamation 2038. At that session he presented a bill, an Act, to provide for relief in the existing national ‘emergency’ in banking and for other purposes.

      In this Act of March 9, 1933, it states in Title 1 Section 1:
      “The actions, regulations, rules, licenses, orders and proclamations heretofore or hereafter taken, promulgated, made, or issued by the President of the United States or the Secretary of the Treasury since March the 4th, 1933, pursuant to the authority conferred by subdivision (b) of Section 5 of the Act of October 6, 1917, as amended, are hereby approved and confirmed.”

      This says that any actions, orders or proclamations, made by the President hereafter taken, are hereby approved and confirmed. Congress just wrote a blank check to the President. ANYTHING he wants to do is approved, IN ADVANCE! Do you think we are living under a dictatorship! Is that how the President is acting today, as if everything he does is already approved? It seems so.
      http://usa-the-republic.com/revenue/true_history/Chap8.html

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    • fertlmind
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 9:11pm

      We don’t need Freud to identify you as a troublemaking troll!
      If Obamma is ever assasinated it will most likely be by a liberal nutcase like you.

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    • UlyssesP
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 9:14pm

      JZS,
      I post…I copy…I paste…You read….This is a set up to encourage more threats and nudge the public into accepting the suspension of civil rights in the name of security.

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    • ashestoashes
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 9:51pm

      I haven’t seen anyone on this site encouraging such behavior. I found it amusing that in separate incidents , 2 children, ages 12 and 13 remarked on facebook that Mr O ought to be careful after the killing of Bin Laden because terrorists might come after him, that these children were interrogated by the CIA or FBI. I guess it would be taken like that in an islamic country, but hey…we could be called the greatest islamic nation in the world now . Right? And being that we are no longer a “Christian” nation, I guess it could happen.

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    • jzs
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 10:17pm

      ASHES, I applaud this website for removing posts of the kind you mention. They really, I believe, do a good job in that regard. Blaze, gotta admit you do a good job on that.

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    • String Bean
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 10:27pm

      Freud was debunked decades ago. WhereTF have you been in your little pseudo-intellectual world?

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    • Sparky101
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 10:53pm

      JZS, you are such a miserable tool. You say “Suggesting that some lone wolf assassinate the President of the United States is really what all Tea Party members and all conservatives want.” Now if you honestly believe that, accept that you are a miserable bigot with no chance of healing. That’s a strawman and you know it, but you are willing to scrape the gutter to heap coals on those you hate. But, haters will hate.

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    • Zer0
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 10:58pm

      @Ashes,

      I have read NUMEROUS posts on this site, declaring the president should be assassinated (JediUseTheForce among others), and was one of the reasons I stopped posting here for quite awhile. I despise everything Obama stands for, but he is our president (unfortunately). If anyone attempted or plotted to murder him, I would do everything in my power to stop it from happening (even if that included making the ultimate sacrifice).

      I love the Republic, but I also love our Constitution…nowhere does it say we have the right to behave like third world beasts and resort to mob violence.

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    • Socialism_Is_The_New_Black
      Posted on July 20, 2011 at 3:32am

      @JZS It must really cook your noodle that the right is has been patiently waiting to vote this know-nothing leader out of office. I bet you thought it was going to be some Tom Clancy wet dream during Obama’s time in office. You thought Holder would stave off some big conspiracy by a collection of white supremacist organizations. I give the fringe groups in this country credit for not giving you leftist the satisfaction of that. You need new material because “It‘s Bush’s fault” and cries of racism towards an obvious incompetent president just don’t play to the masses anymore.

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    • ozchambers
      Posted on July 20, 2011 at 9:35am

      The victory for the TEA party will be Obama’s removal from office electorally. I’ve been to multiple TEA party events and have never once met anyone or heard anyone who advocated violence or bigotry. As far as this website…yeah, there are a few folks who are “out there”, but just a few out of thousands. You can find violence and hatred advocated by extremists on your leftist sites by a few bad seeds also.

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    • Wingnut80
      Posted on July 20, 2011 at 7:18pm

      Idiot, there are only a few Tea Partiers with such extreme views. There are fewer conservatives advocating violence than Progressive/Liberal/Marxists. Why not comment on the overwhelming majority of the conservative posts on this thread saying that it is wrong and illegal to threaten or incite violence against the President, no matter how much of a clown he is.

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  • UlyssesP
    Posted on July 19, 2011 at 8:50pm

    I thought you guys would figure it out.
    This is a set up to encourage more threats and nudge the public into accepting the suspension of civil rights in the name of security.

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    • palrider1
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 9:23pm

      You are right as far as I am concern, I don’t like the guys policies but if anything happens to this guy it would in the long run work against us. They are looking for anyway to enslave us.
      For some reason it is ok for someone on the left to walk down the street with Bush’s head in his hand.

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    • jb.kibs
      Posted on July 20, 2011 at 12:38am

      if the president recieved a death threat from himself, would he goto jail?

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  • tom
    Posted on July 19, 2011 at 8:48pm

    Never threaten violence towards anyone. We can still vote in this country, that is a very special right.

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    • pahalik
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 10:21pm

      very funny Tom.. for a moment I though you were being serious.

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  • Attention2Detail
    Posted on July 19, 2011 at 8:36pm

    So let me see if I get this. A threat is only a threat if everyone knows that you have the capability to carry is out. That’s about as ridiculous as anything the 9th circuit has come up with. I agree that what he wrote does not rise to the level of a legitimate threat, but the court’s reasoning is silly.

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    • rose-ellen
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 11:00pm

      That he writes in choppy sentences protects him.What he says is inconclusiveHe’s not saying he will do it.He believes it would be the right thing to do like people here believe killing all muslims would be the right thing to do.Of course if muslims are caught saying such things they can be charged with giving material support to terroists [propaganda as consttituting material support or they can be charged with encitement]. Could there be incription going on?nine with two sticks was not not an illigal message either!

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    • hifi74
      Posted on July 20, 2011 at 12:00am

      Rose, my suggestion to you is to get some help. Your convoluted , delusional, and incoherent posts here lead me to believe you are suffering from some form of bi-polar disorder.

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    • Princeton67
      Posted on July 20, 2011 at 1:14am

      Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826).
      “The tree of liberty grows only when watered by the blood of tyrants,”

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  • Cheetosareus
    Posted on July 19, 2011 at 8:32pm

    I think it’s pretty safe to say that over 50% of likely voters hate Obama. It’s just impossible to compartmentalize his many facets and say we “like” him but we hate his policies. He is his policies.

    We have not seen his real personality. Wait until the melt down when he doesn’t get his way. He will try to use the military against the American people. Any president who would plot to join with the UN to seize Jerusalem and divide it with the Palestinians will not stop at seizing America (or trying to).

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    • Bill Rowland
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 9:27pm

      Martial Law anyone???

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    • rose-ellen
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 11:08pm

      Jerusalem is occupied land seized in a war;it is illigsl to aquire territory through war[this spoils of war right wing thuggery harkens to pre ww2. Laws and treaties and UN resolutions since then recognize no much legitimacy]..Jerusalem belongs to a palestinian state and tel aviv to a 67border israel!

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    • TheGreyPiper
      Posted on July 20, 2011 at 12:34am

      She writes the way she talks, with some imam’s skinny little di(k down her throat.

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  • banjarmon
    Posted on July 19, 2011 at 8:27pm

    Get rid of BO by voting him OUT in 2012….What happens after that is his problem.

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    • RepubliCorp
      Posted on July 20, 2011 at 1:40am

      I think he has more to worry about from the left. He failed to deliver their total take over.

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  • TJexcite
    Posted on July 19, 2011 at 8:25pm

    So in 2012 it will be standard operation procedure and just another day when President Republican get daily if not houly on-line assassination wish. They have to start now hiring the Secret Service as there will be 100 fold more just because it is a republican and they have to search out everyone to know if the person was drunk or was a real threat. Because if you can claim you are drunk and harmless you can do it will impunity. SCOTUS will reinstate it for sure.

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  • Cheetosareus
    Posted on July 19, 2011 at 8:23pm

    I’ve see worse about Bush but no body was arrested. Maybe it’s only illegal if the words are aimed at a democrat.

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  • olddog
    Posted on July 19, 2011 at 8:22pm

    Do none of you remember all the death threats made to George Bush, or Sarah Palin and nothing was ever done about any of those..

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  • vtxphantom
    Posted on July 19, 2011 at 8:21pm

    Don’t believe in murder. Thou shall not kill. I do want to see the WH slug impeached and then tried for treason. Then obama can be the dead weight at the end of the rope. Let’s do it all legal!

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  • fastfacts
    Posted on July 19, 2011 at 8:18pm

    THOUGH IT IS PETTY AND WRONG MORALLY, IT IS FREEDOM OF SPEECH?

    When does freedom of speech go to far. Slander, False Claims against another person… I would say anything that has to do with murder… How could they rule this way?

    Here are what Freedom of Speech is really about. Uncovering the destruction of people like President Obama: http://url2it.com/gaaa

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    • rose-ellen
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 11:11pm

      If you have the right to say nuke em all then why not just one?

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    • BlueStrat
      Posted on July 20, 2011 at 4:14pm

      How about just nuke 535? If we had a nuclear conflict with a foreign power, the safest place to be would be Washington D.C. That’s because the 535 traitorous dirtbags in Washington D.C. are more of a threat to our sovereign nation & our freedom than any foreign enemy has ever been, or ever could be.

      As far as BO goes, if he crosses the line, I won’t make threats. I’ll just leave it at that.

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  • The Bagginator
    Posted on July 19, 2011 at 8:17pm

    The last thing that needs to happen is that BO be made a martyr. Talk about people going APE!
    It would take decades for the country to get over it, if it ever did.

    Its going to be bad enough in that regard when he is voted out of office after one term.

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  • modilly
    Posted on July 19, 2011 at 8:09pm

    Not yet? Have you not heard of the so-called “Hate Crimes Legislation” that makes it a crime to think certain things (hatred)?

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    • Lloyd Drako
      Posted on July 20, 2011 at 11:51am

      Yes, one wonders if Mr. Bagdasarian got in trouble for “50 cal” or for “n*g.” Threatening to kill someone is not hate speech, but threatening to kill someone while at the same time using a racial slur–that’s a different matter!

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    • Wingnut80
      Posted on July 20, 2011 at 11:40pm

      There is no such thing as Hate Speech directed at a Conservative. Just as there is no pssible way to discriminate against a Hetero-white-male. Or so I am repeatedly told. Free speech is only for Progressives.

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  • Cheetosareus
    Posted on July 19, 2011 at 8:09pm

    Liberal knee jerk reaction to an imagined threat is a threat to free speech. When will they come for you or me because we wish he would “disappear”. Anyone who writes that who owns an SUV and a burlap bag could find themselves in a pickle with the govment.

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  • kindling
    Posted on July 19, 2011 at 8:03pm

    I am in no way condoning what this man did but how is it that he is arrested and the Fort Hood shooter was overlooked for so long? Actually, anyone that posts this kind of threat on public internet deserves to be arrested at least. I do not want Obama harmed physically in any way. I want him shamed out of office and he is doing a wonderful job all by himself.

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    • Cemoto78
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 8:12pm

      Amen to that.

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    • chazman
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 8:17pm

      Good God, kill Obama and what do we have? Biden. Then may God help us! Let’s just leave BHO alone. He is cutting his OWN throat quite nicely, thank you very much. Sarah in 2012!

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    • rose-ellen
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 10:27pm

      The ft hood shooter told everyone he believed those wars were wrong[after all he ,as their shrink was in the belly of the beast and heard these american terrorists talk about how they murdered muslims and wished they had a green light to kill em all.He was punished for speaking our against these wars of agression[ which sounded more and more like a war against muslims] by being ordered to go to afghanistan.THAT malicious retaliation against his outspoken anti-war sentiment is what caused him to retaliate against their retaliation!.Another previously loyal american politicized by the US military-like Mc Veigh!

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    • Dismayed Veteran
      Posted on July 20, 2011 at 10:27am

      Rose:

      The FT Hood shooter was a Major in the US Army. He volunteered to join the military. He took a solemn oath to protect and defend the Constitution against any enemy, foreign or domestic. He took this oath freely, without coercion or mental reservation. He is a traitor.

      Regarding the main issue of this post. The only bullet I support is the vote.

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  • TRONINTHEMORNING
    Posted on July 19, 2011 at 8:01pm

    I wish death on no one. I do wish that this toolbag would be impeached, arrested, fired, and voted out of office. I of course, speak of our dear leader, Barry the Abominable.

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    • Jediusetheforce
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 8:07pm

      Take obamama out by any means Period!!! Just another Hitler who needs to go…Your already screwed America…Wake Up!!!

      Sincerely, Peace Loving Fools

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    • rose-ellen
      Posted on July 20, 2011 at 2:38pm

      Just following orders is no excuse .in the face of an unjustifioed war [ pre-emptive was and targeting civilians for torture and murder]he was obliged to speak out. Once he did, they retaliated against his outspokenness by deploying him to aghanistan.He called their bluff.To him the traitors are the military recruits murdering civilians [suffering fromPTSD-a euphymism he quickly realized was anger -called "depression" in civil society-at not being given a green light to kill em all].Those to him are the traitors to the country and their humanity.as well as the illigal unjust war mongering policies of his government.He became a traitor to a mass murdering terrorist netword-US military-as was McVeigh when he witnessed the americans incinerating the iraiqi soldiers in their tanks with their white flags of surrender waving.[and murdering their men women and children in texas with impunity.

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  • Captain Crunch
    Posted on July 19, 2011 at 8:01pm

    I’ll just not say it and consider that I did!
    Can’t convict someone for not saying something….atliest not yet.

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  • Dougral Supports Israel
    Posted on July 19, 2011 at 7:57pm

    Legal or not and as much as I dislike Obama, I would never say anything like that. I stand with our Constitution and that means getting rid of bad leaders the constitutional way, vote them out.

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  • John 1776
    Posted on July 19, 2011 at 7:52pm

    Well, I understand the court to some extent, but the guy is also a racist in extreme, so I would think it’s more of a hate speech issue.

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  • GadsdenPatriot
    Posted on July 19, 2011 at 7:51pm

    Legal for now. Once we become a replica of red China it will be us getting shot for speaking out.

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  • Dustyluv
    Posted on July 19, 2011 at 7:51pm

    I dont want anything to happen to Obama. He would be a martyr and we dont need no stinking martyr…

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    • jb.kibs
      Posted on July 19, 2011 at 11:43pm

      what’s stopping them from doing it and saying it was someone else?

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  • Eblaze44
    Posted on July 19, 2011 at 7:51pm

    The accused, Vincent McCrudden, 50, admitted that he sent death threats and the he even went so far as to attempt to recruit assassins. And McCrudden is going to jail for maybe 10 years – This guy has done no more nor less – this is all too funny – and we think we have justice n this country.

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  • ProbIemSoIver
    Posted on July 19, 2011 at 7:50pm

    He never stated that he would be the one to deliver the “gift” for the president.

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  • iamHeidi
    Posted on July 19, 2011 at 7:50pm

    yeah, one must be careful of what one writes. especially for all the world to see. or, for all the govt to see?

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