Federal Court Rules Texas May Cut Planned Parenthood Funding
- Posted on August 22, 2012 at 1:26pm by
Madeleine Morgenstern
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A federal appeals court ruled late Tuesday that Texas may cut off funding to Planned Parenthood affiliates participating in a low-income women’s health care program under a new law banning funds to clinics linked to abortion providers.
The ruling from the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in New Orleans reversed a lower court’s decision that temporarily allowed Planned Parenthood to continue to receive funding pending a legal challenge to the law in October.
The new Texas law bars organizations linked to abortion providers from receiving money through the state‘s Women’s Health Program, a health and contraceptive care program for low-income women, according to the Austin American-Statesman.
The case started when Planned Parenthood sued, saying the new law violated its free speech rights, while Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott argued the state may decide which organizations it funds. A federal judge in Austin sided with Planned Parenthood, saying there was sufficient evidence the law was unconstitutional. The three-judge appellate panel disagreed, ruling Planned Parenthood was unlikely to succeed under the free speech argument.
Following the federal court’s ruling, Texas officials said they would move to sever funding to the Planned Parenthood clinics.
“We appreciate the court‘s ruling and will move to enforce state law banning abortion providers and affiliates from the Women’s Health Program as quickly as possible,” Stephanie Goodman with the state Health and Human Services Commission said.
Texas Gov. Rick Perry (R) released a statement praising the court’s ruling, calling it a “win for Texas women.”
“Today‘s ruling affirms that Texas’ Women’s Health Program has no obligation to fund organizations that promote abortion — including Planned Parenthood,” Perry said. “The 5th Circuit’s decision is a win for Texas women, our rule of law and our state’s priority to protect life.”
According to the American-Statesman, the program is primarily designed to provide family planning exams and contraception services to women not covered by Medicaid. Planned Parenthood provides health screenings — but not abortions — to about half of the 130,000 uninsured patients enrolled in the program, according to the Associated Press.
Federal funds had paid for about 90 percent of of the program, but federal officials announced they would begin phasing out their support in wake of the new law. Perry vowed to make up for the federal funding loss and keep the program going without Planned Parenthood’s involvement.
“Texas will continue providing important health services for women through this program in spite of the Obama Administration’s disregard for our state law and unilateral decision to defund this program,” Perry said.
President Barack Obama had denounced the state’s efforts during a campaign stop in Austin, Texas in July.
“We’re not ending funding for Planned Parenthood,” Obama said, according to CNN. “I think women should have control of their own health care choices, just like men. We’re not going backwards.”
Cecile Richards, president of the Planned Parenthood Action Fund, said in a statement after the court’s ruling that the case “has never been about Planned Parenthood — it’s about the women who rely on Planned Parenthood for cancer screenings, birth control and well-woman exams.”
“It is shocking that politics would get in the way of women receiving access to basic health care,” Richards said.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.





















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Wartface
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 2:37pmOWEbama hates that States Rights provision of the Constitution… That’s why he uses the EPA as his way of getting around Congress. That too the courts said was him abusing his power. He really, really, really wants to be a Dictator.
Our Founding Father’s saw this happening years ago. They trumped his ass!
Report Post »garbagecanlogic
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 2:31pmHot dog! Finally someone with common sense.
Praise Be To Obama. Psalm 109:8
The U.S. Out Of The U.N.
Report Post »The U.N. Out Of The U.S.
Wolfgang the Gray
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 3:43pmHuzzah! Cut them to the quick until they pack up their slaughter houses and leave Texas entirely!
Report Post »THX-1138
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 2:23pmThe beginning of a trend?
Man, I hope so…
Report Post »South Philly Boy
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 2:11pmExcellent
Report Post »drphil69
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 2:03pm“The case started when Planned Parenthood sued, saying the new law violated its free speech rights…”
So “free speech” means PP gets money from ME, a TAXPAYER, to MURDER UNBORN BABIES?
Please show me that in the Constitution…
Report Post »encinom
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 2:11pmShow me where in the Constitution does it say that your primitive beliefs and superstitions should dictate the law?
Abortion is legal, I figured real small government Conservatives would want the government out of the doctor’s office, but I guess that is just a lie. The current Conservatives are little more than American Christian Talibans looking to impose their religious dogma on a secular republic.
Report Post »DimmuBorgir
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 2:26pmGovt out of the doctors office is exactly what this story is about.
Tax dollars going to fund abortions. Getting the Govt out would mean no tax dollars sent to PP.
Report Post »THX-1138
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 2:30pm@encinom
Give it up dude, if you think killing a child should be legal just because it‘s still in the womb then you’re beyond help. It’s really that simple. Life eithr begins at conception or when the cord is cut. Any other point is arbitrary, made up garbage. And ther’s no logical support for the latter…
If your position is that the Law is the Law then Slavery must, in your view, have been fine as long as it was Legal. That’s just sad.
This is why November is going to be a landslide for Romney/Ryan; you people have finally overplayed your hand. The mask is off and We the People can see your true face. And we reject it.
Enjoy the next few months. I know I will…
Report Post »QuincySmith
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 2:39pmencinom;
“Show me where in the Constitution does it say that your primitive beliefs and superstitions should dictate the law?” ~~~ It is obvious that you don‘t understand the Constitution’s history – the enumerated rights follow from the Declaration of Independence and “…they [all men] are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men….”
“Abortion is legal, I figured real small government Conservatives would want the government out of the doctor’s office, but I guess that is just a lie. The current Conservatives are little more than American Christian Talibans looking to impose their religious dogma on a secular republic.” ~~~ Again, your reasoning is faulty! I would prefer small government, and the feds should not be involved in this issue; however, when the feds take tax dollars and expend them for abortions they exceed Constitutional bounds. As far as a ‘secular republic’, see the first comment.
Report Post »Incredulous321
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 2:39pmEncinom, you are a stupid sack of crap! You never think, you just spout the leftist line. This is not about Roe Vs. Wade. This is about funding. It has been the long standing policy of this country to not fund abortions. Why? Because people don’t want their blood, sweat, and tears funding genocide! Now go break open your piggy bank so you can get that eight month old blob of cells with arms and legs and a heart beat ripped out of your belly. Maybe we‘ll get lucky and the murder tools will slip and suck what’s left of your brain into a red colored jar.
Report Post »Wildblue3
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 2:46pmEncinom, Life is sacred, no matter your religion. We should encourage it unless it puts the mom at risk.
Report Post »Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 3:07pm“Show me where in the Constitution does it say that your primitive beliefs and superstitions should dictate the law?”
Not the constitution, but the DOI.
We hold these truths to be self evident that all men were endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights….
The DOI is a precursor to the constitution. Furthermore, the constitution does articulate our right to not pay for your crap. We had an election and people won who enacted a law that was upheld and it not in violation of the enumerated powers of the constitution hence under the umbrella of the 10th amendment.
Don’t like it? Don’t live in Texas. Don’t like it, try to change the constitution to repeal the 10th amendment.
Report Post »Depressed_American
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 3:10pmEncinom,
How does Texas not supporting Planned Parenthood financially, outlaw Abortion? So basically if the Government Does Not fund something, then it is a war on ………
Have all the Abortions you want, just don’t expect the American Taxpayer to fund it……
Report Post »encinom
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 3:47pm@QuincySmith
Report Post »Its clear that you are one of the brainwashed masses that believe the bunk Barton preaches.
IsThereADifference
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 4:12pmTexas wins again! My biggest wish would be for Texas to secede from the union and become its own country.
DON’T MESS WITH TEXAS!
Report Post »oneshiner
Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:22pmMurder of an innocent child is not in the Constitution. It’s time these stupido women who will spread their legs for anything start paying for their own birth control and stop being a party to killing babies. Believe me, this grieves God and you’ll become toast on that fearful day, whether you BELIEVE or not.
A woman’s rights does not include killing babies. Might as well believe this is truth. God knows you, and the guilt will follow you the rest of your lives. Because you know in your hearts it’s wrong.
Report Post »QuincySmith
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 2:02pmJust a minute here! oblama and democRATS don’t like businesses operating just for profit. oblama and deomcRATS support planned parenthood. planned parenthood is a profit-making operation (business). Something here doesn’t make sense.
Report Post »Jezreel
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 2:01pmExcellent. I hope all other states follow through with the same thing.
Report Post »wakeus
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 1:58pmVictory!
I hope this doesn’t mean MORE people will be moving here … unless, of course, we kick out the illegal infestation.
Report Post »SamIamTwo
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 1:55pmNow define the word “may”…courts and lawyers do vex me!
Report Post »wakeus
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 2:00pmI means we will, because now we have “permission” (like we needed that …).
Report Post »texanpatriot
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 1:53pmGod bless the unborn. May this be just the beginning of reversing the insanity of the last 40 years. We are “missing” 50,000,000 Americans…
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 1:59pmgood thing too. we can barely take care of the ones we got.
Report Post »DimmuBorgir
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 2:09pmSee that’s your problem right there
“WE can barely take care of the ones WE got”
Unless you’re talking about your family there is no “WE”
I take care of MY children. The WE you‘re talking about sounds more like Clinton’s “it takes a village” crap.
Personal responsibility
Report Post »DoGooder
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 2:12pm@ phillyatheist. Murdering 50 mil people is ok with you? Now I know why your an atheist, total lack of moral authority. God too good for you , huh?
Report Post »encinom
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 2:21pmDoGooder
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 2:12pm
@ phillyatheist. Murdering 50 mil people is ok with you? Now I know why your an atheist, total lack of moral authority. God too good for you , huh?
Report Post »______________________________
A mass of cells is not a person.
SLEAZYHIPPOs ILLEGITIMATE OFFSPRING
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 2:23pm@ PHILLY…surely your comment was meant as an antagonizing jesture. Surely you do not believe abortion is a “good thing”? Truly a sad thing to extinguish innocent life. Abortion has been a scourge on “civil” society for a long time. I guess my question is, when we debate the origin of “morality” many atheists typically assert that it is evolving and being discovered by man much like living things evolve, yet I see abortion as a throwback to more barbaric and ruthless times. I believe that when we, as a society, “progress” we are actually becoming more debased and animalistic, not more civilized. Sexual immorality and perversion has increased, homosexuality has increased, abortion increases, divorce/adultery are common place, addictions increase, violence increases, corruption and on and on. Seems to me the more “progressive” we become the more regressed our actual behavior ends up in the end. Just my humble opinion. Thank you…..
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 2:28pmDOGOODER – no people have been murdered. zygotes and fetuses are not people. i think the term you would really like to use is “souls”. you believe that 50 million “souls” have been eliminated. if you don‘t believe in the existence of a soul then you don’t view things that way. and if that is your belief, good for you. feel free to bring any and all babies to term that you like. don’t make the rest of us play by your rules though.
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 2:34pmSLEEZE – of course it was inflamatory. you’ll get no denial of that from me.
addressing the rest of your post, we obviously disagree. look at the countries that outlaw abortion and i think you’ll see that these are not the most sophisticated of nations. but no, i don’t like abortion. i do recognize it as a necessary part of a civil society. i think it‘s terrible that some people misuse the practice and if they use abortions as a form of birth control i think it’s shameless. like any system it will have it’s share of abuses, but the good outweighs the bad, IMO.
Report Post »THX-1138
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 2:44pm@encinom
“A mass of cells is not a person.”
Then what is it? A dolphin? Algae? A muppet?
If you don’t kill it then it will be voting in 18.75 years. How is that not a person?
You people are Hopelessly illogical.
Report Post »Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 2:52pm@Philly,
“f you don‘t believe in the existence of a soul then you don’t view things that way. and if that is your belief, good for you. feel free to bring any and all babies to term that you like. don’t make the rest of us play by your rules though.”
Fair enough. Don’t make me pay for yours. Sounds like we have a deal and it sounds like the court agrees (I know that‘s important to you from prior convo’s).
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 2:52pmTHX – by your definition, i’m now 39 years old. happy birthday to me (9 months early)!!!
Report Post »THX-1138
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 2:57pm“THX – by your definition, i’m now 39 years old. happy birthday to me (9 months early)!!!”
Happy *Conception* day. Have a beer/wine/shot/spliff for me…
(You know, a good capitalist could turn that in to a new Hallmark Card day. I love this country!)
Report Post »QuincySmith
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 2:57pmencinom;
“A mass of cells is not a person.” ~~~~ In your superior view, what then constitutes a person?
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 2:58pmROTH – agreed, and i kinda thought that’s been the law all along. the flap with Planned Parenthood is that they receive gov’t money as a healthcare provider, but they also provide abortion services. from what i understand they keep it separate, but the hard core lifers view this as supporting abortion. i don’t believe it is, but it’s hard to convince those who are so strident that this is the case.
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 3:01pmthanks THX! should we also change the legal drinking age to 20 and 3 months? we could have a lot of fun with this!!
Report Post »QuincySmith
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 3:05pmphillyatheist;
“good [sic] thing too. we can barely take care of the ones we got.” ~~~ That’s your problem, you think someone should take care of them. I think they should take care of themselves.
Report Post »SLEAZYHIPPOs ILLEGITIMATE OFFSPRING
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 5:20pm@ PHILLY…I guess my focus is more this country since we are arguing for more progressive societal norms and yet we seem to be regressing morally on a whole as a society. I find this ironic given the push for progressive thinking and the denial of an absolute moral standard. It seems that when moral standards are violated there is ALWAYS a very predictable consequnce within society as whole. Thank you….
Report Post »rp454
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 5:34pm@encinomoron – “A mass of cells is not a person.” Really?? Then by your own definition, YOU are not even a person. Maybe we can get an abortion performed on you. It is legal after all.
Report Post »texan_conservative
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 7:38pmphilly would rather save a tree anyway, trees have feelings, oh and animals too. lets save all the animals we can. “save the trees, kills the babies”
Report Post »IMCHRISTIAN
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 1:52pmYou might say Planned Parenthood is a “business” that is in it for a profit. All will pay for the deaths of the unborn and by pay I don’t mean with dollars but Gods judgment. God help the one that hate that little unborn baby. If you don‘t want a baby don’t do the deed.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 2:08pmAnd that is the problem, in a secular republic your beliefs in your primitive superstition should never be the basis for laws.
Of course, this ruling only re-enforces the fact that the Conservative Christians in this nation are waging a war against women. The GOP is proving way they are unable to lead anything more than a Church group.
Report Post »IMCHRISTIAN
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 2:23pmIt is not a war on women. I pay for my own pills I need for health and they can pay for their own extras.
Report Post »DimmuBorgir
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 2:24pmIF stopping tax dollars from going to abortions is a war on women, put me on the front lines.
Report Post »The Giver
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 2:30pm@ENCINOM, Why do you deny the advance in science since Roe v Wade? There is a visible heartbeat at 6 WEEKS! See sonograms and youtube videos of babies being ripped apart by a suction catheter… how they try to pull away. I bet you try to “Save” the whales and trees. What religion is that? When you stop a beating heart… that is not religion, or politics… it is murder.
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 2:45pm” When you stop a beating heart… that is not religion, or politics… it is murder.”
does this only apply to humans? is it murder to kill, say, a chimp? i would argue that a chimp is much more of a sentient being than a zygote. ah, but a chimp doesn’t have a soul, right? well neither do you, and neither does an unborn baby.
until it is born, the mother and the father are the only one’s that get to make a decision. birth is the beginning of life, not at conception.
Report Post »QuincySmith
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 3:07pmencinom;
“And that is the problem, in a secular republic your beliefs in your primitive superstition should never be the basis for laws.” ~~~ Still pushing your misinformed belief that we have a ‘secular republic’? As you know, we do not!
Report Post »encinom
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 3:51pmQuincySmith
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 3:07pm
encinom;
“And that is the problem, in a secular republic your beliefs in your primitive superstition should never be the basis for laws.” ~~~ Still pushing your misinformed belief that we have a ‘secular republic’? As you know, we do not!
Report Post »__________________
Yeah, we do, try reading the Constitution and not the lies Barton and Beck spoon feed you. The Constitution limits the role of religion, it does not endorse it.
Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 4:16pmLOL, that’s just rich. Encinom the constitutionalist! Ha!
Report Post »Git-R-Done
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 4:24pmEncinom – Apparently you can‘t read in the first place since there’s no Separation of Church and State phrase anywhere mentioned in the Constitution. We can express freedom of religion on government land all we want and there’s nothing you can do about it except act like a whiny little crybaby.
Report Post »QuincySmith
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 5:59pmencinom;
Yeah, we do, try reading the Constitution and not the lies Barton and Beck spoon feed you. The Constitution limits the role of religion, it does not endorse it.” ~~~ Try reading it again: you seem to be public school educated. The Constitution limits government, not religion!
Report Post »Depressed_American
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 1:48pmGovernment (TAX PAYER) FUNDED abortions is NOT basic women’s health care.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 2:15pmNobody was funding abortions with Government funds. But what are thounsands more poor women who will not be treated for medical issues or not have breast cancer discovered, when the Christians can have a parade on their graves about how much “good” the Christians did.
Report Post »DimmuBorgir
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 2:28pmClaiming that PP’s main goal is to find cancer is the most laughable argument the left has come up with.
EVERYONE knows what you got to planned parenthood for.
Report Post »deeberj
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 2:28pmEncinom, you are an idiot if you think no abortions have been funded by federal money.
Report Post »Depressed_American
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 3:02pmencinom,
Why doesn’t Planned Parenthood STOP abortions. The would not loose funding for Cancer prevention, and all the other beneficial services they provide. For you to say that the Government doesn’t provides funds for abortions is a lie…..
Report Post »Ben__Franklin
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 3:02pmEncinom, you cannot really be that stupid to believe what you typed. You know as well as everyone else that it does not matter which pocket PP pulls cash from to fund abortions. Federal Money allows them to perform abortions and a lot of them. If what you claim is true then how many Abortions can PP do with their “own” money from private donations when the Federal Dollars are taken away. Will it be more, less, or the same? Moron.
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 3:15pmBEN – you know Ben Franklin wasn’t a God believer. you should consider changing your screen name, you don’t want to be affiliated with a heathen, do you?
Report Post »frust@ted
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 3:28pmencinom,
come on, moneys within an organization are fungible and I also think abortion aspect is a secondary issue here. This issue is about the states power to determine where state funding goes, I don’t beleive this legisalation has anything to do with federal funding only state.
Report Post »Git-R-Done
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 4:27pmPhillyatheist – Either you‘re an idiot or a liar since Ben Franklin’s autobiography has it stated that he was a Deist, which is very different from being an atheist. But what else should we expect from a stupid atheist who believes the spoon fed Marxist garbage being spewed out of government schools.
Report Post »MrKnowItAll
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 1:48pmWhy doesn’t anyone talk about the Lifetime of Damage and Guilt women that have Abortions go through? Unless these women are on a Episode of Wicked Attraction. I cannot fathom ANY girl or woman not being effected by such a Horrid Decision. With all the couples who cannot have children. I cannot comprehend why someone would not give them such a Blessed Gift. I always and always will think that the Child being killed could have cured Cancer or Stop Wars. We never get to know.
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 1:58pm“Why doesn’t anyone talk about the Lifetime of Damage and Guilt women that have Abortions go through?”
and just what do you know about it, MISTER knowitall?
Report Post »DimmuBorgir
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 2:07pm@ PHILLY
well since there‘s a TV show being made right now about women who have gone through abortions and how it’s ruined their lives, he might be on to something.
Report Post »deeberj
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 2:27pmI have never talked to anyone who had an abortion who was glad they did. Many women will not admit they had one until someone else says it first. They carry shame and regret.
Report Post »IMCHRISTIAN
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 2:46pmI had a spontaneous abortion years ago and I still think about it to this very day. What would he/she look like, what would they have become in this life, etc. Afterwards I had dreams of babies all around me and I couldn’t touch. God bless those that love their children and keep them safe as can be.
Report Post »Landon410
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 1:47pmTexas just pulled a Chuck Norris, Texas’ beard just punched Obama in the eye
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woodyee
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 1:51pmThat’s funny, Landon! ;-)
Report Post »gbfreak
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 1:46pmExcellent! No more of our FEDERAL TAX $$ going for ABORTION in Texas!
Report Post »Landon410
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 1:46pmGood for Texas, and just shows who Obama really is “be tolerant of everyone unless you disagree with me”
Report Post »Guess what Barry, Texas just whooped your arse, and more states will follow suit.
TEARS FOR AMERICA
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 1:44pmPP is killing children all over this nation and it is time to audit and investigate exactly what they are doing with tax dollars. Go Texas!
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 1:56pmthis is great news. i hear there are lots of beautiful women in Texas. maybe lots of them will migrate towards the Northeast where people care about women’s health. come on ladies, we actually consider you peers up here!
Report Post »DimmuBorgir
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 2:00pmLike any woman would want a pansy atheist like you
Report Post »QuincySmith
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 2:06pmpa;
You can dream. By the way, I have in on good authority your birth control choice is your personality.
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 2:07pmDIMM – lol. i hope you didn’t strain yourself coming up with that retort. i’d never want to be with a religious woman. i’ve been lucky to have avoided falling for any in the past, but now i’ll steer very clear of any woman wearing a cross. there’s plenty of Godless women out there, more and more every day in fact.
Report Post »QuincySmith
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 2:10pm“there’s [sic] plenty of Godless women out there, more and more every day in fact.” Where do you get your statistics? Dreaming again?
Report Post »DimmuBorgir
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 2:12pm@ Philly
calling you a pansy atheist? No, trust me it didn’t take any strain to come up with that.
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 2:25pm” Where do you get your statistics?”
how about articles here on the Blaze like this one:
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/these-are-the-10-most-atheistic-and-religious-countries/
polls have been showing for years that the amount of “nones” or those with no religion is the fasting growing demographic not just here in America, but worldwide.
Report Post »QuincySmith
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 2:43pmpa;
Interesting article, but you seem to believe that a SMALL increase in a SMALL minority constitutes vast gains. The article also talks about global statistics; not really US. Finally, with the havoc you leftists (I include RINOs) created; look for your perceived gains to dissipate.
Report Post »DimmuBorgir
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 2:45pm@ Philly
polls also show that Justin Bieber had a rise in popularity too. Atheism is a fad, just like the green movement. Kids think it’s cool
Report Post »DimmuBorgir
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 2:50pmmaybe you’re just upset about the 9th inning home run from Cozart lastnight
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 2:55pmQUINCY – actually, the gains are rather substantial. just 5 years ago the “nones” were about 10%. at 19% now in the US that has nearly doubled. in Ireland, for example, religiosity has dropped from 75% to less than 40%. i’d say these are deep trends.
DIMM – by comparing Atheism to Justin Bieber you are belittling my “faith”, lol. have a great day!
Report Post »Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 2:58pm“where people care about women’s health.”
Hmmm, you’re going to have to explain to me why me not allowing my tax dollars to pay for a doctor who goes into a womb, slices a fetus into many pieces, sucks the parts through a hose, bags it up and puts it in the dumpster…is somehow not caring about women’s health. I pay for my wife’s healthcare and my tax dollars pay for mamograms and pap smears and then of course all the other non-gender specific medical services that women get for free.
So again, how do I not care about women’s health. In fact, I do pretty well financially. Not sure what you make, but let’s assume for a second that I make more than you and pay more tax. In that case, I‘d offer that I care MORE about women’s health than you do.
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 2:59pmoh DIMM you didn’t go there!!! ouch :)
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 3:11pmROTH – no doubt you are aware that Planned Parenthood does a lot more than just abortions (just 3% of all services). they are an essential provider of women’s health for millions of poor women. Texas has yet to say how they plan on funding their Women’s Health Program without Federal funding. i hope they do, but i suspect they won’t do jack squat. that is why i say Texas doesn’t care. to be more specific, they don’t care about poor women, young women, and choice-loving women.
Report Post »QuincySmith
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 3:11pmpa;
Statistics are easy to quote, why don’t you? I don’t believe your 19% number (in the US). I don’t believe your 10% either.
Report Post »DimmuBorgir
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 3:38pm@ PHILLY
Honestly, I think we’d probably get along pretty well. A couple beers and tonight’s game.
I don’t hold the same beliefs as all of my friends, most the time it’s better to avoid those conversations and just have a good time.
You guys might have us tonight, Arroyo is having troubles lately.
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 3:42pmQUINCY – for some reason my post with the usa today link from a month ago won’t post here. it’s easy to find, just google it. my 19% number is 100% accurate
DIMM – agreed. what divides us is far less than what unites us. i‘m sure i’ll see you around.
Report Post »Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 4:02pm@Philly
First off, can we shelve the rhetoric and bumper sticker slogans? I think we’re beyond “choice-loving women” aren’t we? That’s just silly. Okay, now that I’ve spoken my peace on that I’ll move on.
1. We fund our women’s health program with the dollars we collect in tax revenue. I don’t know why it is so hard to understand. Why should unborn children in New York in 2020 be born (assuming they aren’t aborted) with the burden of paying for an abortion in 2012? It isn’t “caring” it’s economics. In fact, it is MORE caring. If you don’t believe in taxation without representation or if you believe in the constitution…heck if you believe in fiscal responsibility then this is absolutely just. Borrowing money from China today that future generations pay back at interest to fund some woman’s Saturday night mistake is NOT compassion or caring. It’s irresponsible on all kinds of fronts.
Report Post »2. Furthermore, I love the idea of choice loving women by liberals. Their “choice” only extends to the womb eh? They don’t have the choice to drink a 32oz Coke in NY or have transfat fries in CA or to not vaccinate their children and so on. The left loves “choices” so long as they are the sanctioned ones. And what about men’s choices. The same feminist groups fight tooth and nail to not allow a man’s right to a paper/legal abortion. Nah, screw his choice. Hypocrites all.
There, I’m done ranting.
phillyatheist
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 4:14pm” Borrowing money from China today that future generations pay back at interest to fund some woman’s Saturday night mistake…”
see, here i have a problem. you make the incorrect assumption that most abortions are buyers remorse. sure, that is certainly a healthy percentage of abortions, but not even close to the majority. you may have noticed that women are waiting longer to start families these days. women in their 30′s have far more complications than younger women. i have several friends who wanted to have a baby but there were abnormalities that could lead to complications. they decided to abort, and now they have had successful pregnancies. other situations, like a teenager becoming pregnant, often leads to abortion. i’m not even saying that is right or wrong, but i do believe that there should be the choice to abort. these things are rarely black and white, which is something that religious people struggle with. in religion everything is absolute. these real world issues are much more nuanced.
Report Post »Git-R-Done
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 4:25pmPhillyatheist – That’s b/c losers like you want to get to do whatever you want yet you don’t think you should have to face the consequences for doing so.
Report Post »Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 4:40pm@Philly,
I think we drifted off topic. The crux of the argument was that Texas didn‘t care about women because we voted politicians who passed a law stating that the state can’t rob me at gunpoint to force me to pay for a woman’s abortion. (Yes, I added color to that concept.)
This isn’t about legality or choice. We didn’t ban abortion. A woman can go get knocked up all she wants and suck out as many babies as she see’s fit. That’s the law right now. In Texas the law says I don’t have to pay for it. Specifically, the case I was making, is that federal funds aren’t even really funds. They are renembi converted to dollar at interest to be paid back by future generations.
None of this has beans to do with family planning and women struggling to get pregnant or trying to breed some genetic super baby or gender selection or anything. Suggesting that I have no choice that money be extracted by me at gunpoint without recourse to fund someone else’s “choice” is congruent with freedom and justice and hence fighting against that implies I don’t care about women is rhetoric and hyperbole.
Report Post »68Patriot
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 9:11pmPHILLYCHEESE:
I am sure that Texas will gladly send to PA all the women who rely on Planned Parenthood for their Healthcare. If you’re into those kinds of women then take ours from FL as well.
68
Report Post »momrules
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 1:41pmNo one is getting in the way of poor women getting basic health care, Texans will continue to pick up the tab for that but I resent having even one penny of my money being used to pay for ANYONE’s abortion.
Report Post »woodyee
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 1:39pmA prelude to the righteous tsunami coming after Nov. 7th.
Want an abortion? Pay for your own. Can’t afford it? Use prophylactics or, better yet, stop acting like uncontrollable whores and keep your legs closed until you can give your prodigy a legitimate last name, is
jmho…
Report Post »Verceofreason
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 7:29pmYou wouldn’t last 5 minutes in NYC.
Report Post »Sirfoldallot
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 1:37pmWooh – hooo , God Bless Texas !!!!!!!!
Report Post »DimmuBorgir
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 1:37pmI wonder what the black population would be if there were no Planned Parenthood?
I mean they already have multiple kids in single “parent” households.
Report Post »Stoic one
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 1:37pmSo is planned parenthood a private foundation or a government agency????????
If it is private…get private donations and do what you want.
Government agency? shut it down….. the private sector can handle this .. government OUT of healthcare.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 1:42pmThe private sector can also hadle the mortgage industry, the automotive manufacturing industry and the broadcasting industry (PBS).
Report Post »mcsledge
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 1:34pmTexas may get knocked for a lot of things, but they do stand up for their rights. In this case, the majority of Texans (spoken by their elected officials) disagree with using public funds for abortions. Good on Texas. I’m glad I live here.
Report Post »mrunner
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 3:07pmMake room McSledge. If that arrogant communist gets reelected I will be looking to relocate to your great State! In the meantime, I will do whatever I can to make sure he doesn’t. Y’all got a whole lotta right going on in Texas….
Report Post »kaydeebeau
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 1:34pmI don’t understand – we in Tennessee have done voter id, defunded PP, gotten rid of the teacher’s union, and scores of other things that the Fed has sued other states over….for us – not a peep from the Fed Gov’t. I guess this just further illustrates that there is no justice any longer, that there is no longer equal protection under the law…
*sigh*
Report Post »Landon410
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 1:48pmTenn isn‘t as important to Obomber’s as Texas, its just what it is
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 1:58pmTexas is subject to the Voting Rights Act of 1965, Tennessee is not. Google it.
Report Post »cessna152
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 1:59pmNo offense, but I feel the main reason Texas makes it big in the news is due to the fact its got a lot of money, takes up a lot of space and most importantly is a HUGE bastion of Freedom. Also, Texas is used as a reference point when being compared to Commifornia… so the liberals hate it when free market and lower spending wins.
Also, the Marxist feel Texas still belongs to Mexico and want to demonize it as an area of white, hate, racist-bigots.
Tennessee, once again please take no offense, is not a threat to the progressive movement… so they think.
I for one appreciate and love the freedom and beauty of your state. I’m in PA and am amazed how few people are aware of our voter ID laws, trying to get Constitutional carry and rid of property taxes and school choice. Times they are a changing!!
Report Post »Lordcsmith
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 3:17pmIt’s because you gave them Al Gore.
Report Post »jackact
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 1:33pmA win for Texas and America!!!
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