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Feeble Growth, Exhausted Consumers, & Shrinking Paychecks: The AP’s Brutally Honest Report on the State of the Economy

The Associated Press on Wednesday published a report on the state of the U.S. economy that is, as surprising as it may be to some, both honest and scathing.

“The recession that ended three years ago this summer has been followed by the feeblest economic recovery since the Great Depression,” the report begins.

“Since World War II, 10 U.S. recessions have been followed by a recovery that lasted at least three years. An Associated Press analysis shows that by just about any measure, the one that began in June 2009 is the weakest,” the report adds.

But that’s not all. The report continues:

The ugliness goes well beyond unemployment, which at 8.3 percent is the highest this long after a recession ended.

Economic growth has never been weaker in a postwar recovery. Consumer spending has never been so slack. Only once has job growth been slower.

More than in any other post-World War II recovery, people who have jobs are hurting: Their paychecks have fallen behind inflation.

The AP goes on to argue that a good deal of the U.S.’ current economic problems can be traced directly to the burst of the housing bubble and the 2008 financial crisis.

“A housing collapse is very different from a stock market bubble and crash,” says Nobel Prize-winning economist Peter Diamond of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. “It affects so many people. It only corrects very slowly.”

However, one might find himself at odds with the AP’s analysis when it claims the U.S.’ struggling economy can be blamed more on a “deeply divided U.S. political system” than on specific policies White House policies.

But, regardless of this point of contention, how did the AP come to its conclusion, that is, what data did the AP look at and decide, “Yeah, this is pretty bad”?

“The AP compared nine economic recoveries since the end of World War II that lasted at least three years. A 10th recovery that ran from 1945 to 1948 was not included,” the report reads, adding that there were two “short-lived recoveries – 24 months and 12 months – after the recessions of 1957-58 and 1980.”

Here is the AP’s comparison of our so-called “recovery” to others in our nation’s history [all block quotes via AP]:

FEEBLE GROWTH

The APs Scathing Report on the Economy

America’s gross domestic product — the broadest measure of economic output — grew 6.8 percent from the April-June quarter of 2009 through the same quarter this year, the slowest in the first three years of a postwar recovery. GDP grew an average of 15.5 percent in the first three years of the eight other comebacks analyzed. The engines that usually drive recoveries aren’t firing this time.

Investment in housing, which grew an average of nearly 34 percent this far into previous postwar recoveries, is up just 8 percent since the April-June quarter of 2009.

[...]

[S]ince passing President Barack Obama’s $862 billion stimulus package in 2009, a divided Congress has been reluctant to try to “help” the economy with federal spending programs. Trying to contain the $11.1 trillion federal debt has been a higher priority.

Since June 2009, governments at all levels have slashed 642,000 jobs, the only time government employment has fallen in the three years after a recession. This long after the 1973-74 recession, by contrast, governments had added more than 1 million jobs.

EXHAUSTED CONSUMERS

The APs Scathing Report on the Economy

Consumer spending has grown just 6.5 percent since the recession ended, feeblest in a postwar recovery. In the first three years of previous recoveries, spending rose an average of nearly 14 percent.

It’s no mystery why consumers are being frugal. Many have lost access to credit, which fueled their spending in the 2000s. Home equity has evaporated and credit cards have been canceled. Falling home prices have slashed home equity 49 percent, from $13.2 trillion in 2005 to $6.7 trillion early this year.

Others are spending less because they’re paying down debt or saving more. Household debt peaked at 126 percent of after-tax income in mid-2007 and has fallen to 107 percent, according to Haver Analytics. The savings rate has risen from 1.1 percent of after-tax income in 2005 to 4.4 percent in June. Consumers have cut credit card debt by 14 percent — to $865 billion — since it peaked at over $1 trillion in December 2007.

THE JOBS HOLE

The APs Scathing Report on the Economy

The economy shed a staggering 8.8 million jobs during and shortly after the recession. Since employment hit bottom, the economy has created just over 4 million jobs. So the new hiring has replaced 46 percent of the lost jobs, by far the worst performance since World War II. In the previous eight recoveries, the economy had regained more than 350 percent of the jobs lost, on average.

During the 1981-82 recession, the U.S. lost 2.8 million jobs. In the three years and one month after that recession ended, the economy added 9.8 million – replacing the 2.8 million and adding 7 million more.

Never before have so many Americans been unemployed for so long three years into a recovery. Nearly 5.2 million have been out of work for six months or more. The long-term unemployed account for 41 percent of the jobless; the highest mark in the other recoveries was 22 percent.

SHRINKING PAYCHECKS

The APs Scathing Report on the Economy

Earnings for production and nonsupervisory workers — a category that covers about 80 percent of the private, nonfarm workforce — have risen just over 6.2 percent since June 2009. Consumer prices have risen nearly 7.2 percent. Adjusted for inflation, wages have fallen 0.8 percent. In the previous five recoveries -the records go back only to 1964 – real wages had gone up an average 1.5 percent at this point.

[...]

Washington isn’t doing much to help the economy. An impasse between Obama and congressional Republicans brought the U.S. to the brink of default on the federal debt last year -a confrontation that rattled financial markets and sapped consumer and business confidence.

Given the political divide, businesses and consumers don‘t know what’s going to happen to taxes, government spending or regulation. Sharp tax increases and spending cuts are scheduled to kick in at year’s end unless Congress and the White House reach a budget deal.

But don’t get too depressed. The AP does offer this slight bit of consolation: “As weak as this recovery is, it’s nothing like what the U.S. went through in the 1930s.”

Indeed, as far as tough times are concerned, the Great Depression actually included two recessions (separated by a recovery) that lasted from March 1933 until May 1937.

So, at least there’s that, right?

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The Associated Press contributed to this report, all photos via AP.

Comments (97)

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  • ronbo51
    Posted on August 16, 2012 at 8:10am

    And yet, it is so much worse than this. Unemployment is so much worse than official numbers. Inflation is so much worse. Gas and food prices are rocketing upward. There are 15 million abandoned homes. Banks control large blocks of houses they are keeping off the market to keep prices from falling faster. The Financial Crisis continues worse than before, as the Too Big to Fail Banks are bigger and more close to failure. Stories about bank failures are becoming more common among the “Dancing With the Kardashians” news outlets. Just last Friday Reuters had a story about how the Regulators (government) told the banks to submit plans for dealing with bank failures. I thought we fixed all this? In the mean time the entire world, including Brazil and China slip into recession, and in the case of Europe, tumbles past recession into full blown hell. There are no adults present anywhere on the planet in leadership roles vying for good. The world collapses into self interest and selfishness as people hang on with their teeth and fingernails to hold on to what they have. The mood out here is UGLY.

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    • gr29az
      Posted on August 16, 2012 at 10:02am

      how’s that hope and chains workin out for ya

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  • hempstead1944
    Posted on August 16, 2012 at 7:48am

    The truth is painful……very painful…….

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  • Yakov-Yurovsky
    Posted on August 16, 2012 at 2:31am

    Don’t worry folks, the militant Keynesian’s will save the economy! lol

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    • sillyfreshness
      Posted on August 16, 2012 at 3:13am

      There is no recovery. It’s just propaganda to make everyone feel good. Go tell the millions of unemployed that the recession has been over since 2009.

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    • Yakov-Yurovsky
      Posted on August 16, 2012 at 12:59pm

      @SILLYFRESHNESS

      You’re talking to one of them right now! Not only that, I was spending $200 a week in gas just to get to my last job! But the good news for me is I’m a licensed plumber so I will get another job. The problem is I get hired to do a project or two then they have to lay me off again! WTF

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  • jvrat
    Posted on August 16, 2012 at 12:57am

    Money JUST DOESN’T disappear! No WAY They continue to cloud the truth and really- who are we to challenge these dirtbags? And They Know it.

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  • elderbat
    Posted on August 15, 2012 at 11:35pm

    Did AP finally decide that it should attempt to do some real reporting for a change and after all this time?
    Too bad they can’t find a reporter willing to do any thorough investigation of anything Nobama has been doing, college records, where he came from or anything else…unless it’s some useless fluff , pandering to their lib heroes.

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  • go2gym
    Posted on August 15, 2012 at 10:37pm

    And if the Presidential race is truly close, as we are led to believe, then America is a majority of braindead liberty-apathetic (at best) citizens. I don’t believe we are that, yet, but over the decades it’s been the trend.

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  • RandomMan
    Posted on August 15, 2012 at 10:27pm

    That’s crazy talk. Obo said the economy is doing fine.

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    • dmerwin
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 10:33pm

      This is one AP report that will NOT be covered by NBC or MSNBC, even though the state of the economy and jobs are the number one issue for voters. Spin this, Rachel.

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    • GeorgieJo
      Posted on August 16, 2012 at 8:19am

      We use to have Bob HOPE and Johnny CASH
      Now we have NONE.

      OMG NOV 2012

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  • nothinghere
    Posted on August 15, 2012 at 9:55pm

    ron paul has his strong supporters,which is good,i think with ron paul in the race, he made sure the other candidates stayed more conservative than they might of,and with his strong showing,their all seeing the direction americans want.

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    • dmerwin
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 10:36pm

      That may be true. Which is a good thing and now the “party” understands that conservative voters will not support establishment policies and strategies. The Tea Party and Pauliacs have made clear what they want.

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  • winin2012
    Posted on August 15, 2012 at 9:20pm

    Bro Win Smith. you are a waste of my time!

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    • Brother Winston Smith
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 9:24pm

      Hmmmm…. WININ2012… your need to comment in the first place… sorta… contradicts that statement, no?

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    • DLV
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 10:23pm

      Yeah Winn why did you comment first out of curiosity?

      Report Post » DLV  
  • cloudsplitter
    Posted on August 15, 2012 at 9:17pm

    And they’re just now realizing what a disaster this guy is? And how he’s been lying about the state of the economy while he wrecks it?

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  • kangaroo
    Posted on August 15, 2012 at 9:16pm

    Obama is a chronic liar, now who would even have someone like that as a friend let alone a president.

    lower expectations………… if you can’t get a friend, well a liar and twit will do. They might give you a buck for a beer, but you will have to pay the other 2 bucks to get it

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  • Individualism
    Posted on August 15, 2012 at 8:54pm

    maybe we should have knowledge and literacy tests to get rid of stupid voters and than Romney and Obama could be in trouble.

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    • therealconservative
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 9:03pm

      I agree. We should start with you.

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    • fullblownjackass
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 9:29pm

      Unlike then, than is not related to time. Than is used in comparative statements.
      Example:
      Another pair of words that I see misused far more often than not is than and then.
      He is taller than I am.
      Other than the interest on a small inheritance, he had no income.
      Today’s students certainly do seem to read less than students in previous generations did.
      We learned more on the playground than we did in the classroom.
      Despite their lack of flavor, the hothouse tomatoes cost far more than those from the farmers’ market.

      Then is used either as a time marker or with a sequence of events.
      example:
      I took all of the exams in the morning, and then I spent the rest of the day catching up on sleep.
      Back then we knew what was expected of us.
      I bought apples from this orchard last summer, but I seem to remember paying more for them then.
      Look over the study guide first, and then if you still have questions bring them up in class.

      Maybe you will pass the literacy test.

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    • Individualism
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 9:43pm

      lets face it, your average voter has the iq and knowledge of a dog.

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    • Strat
      Posted on August 16, 2012 at 8:16am

      are you an individual idiot or part of a team ?

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    • Yeah_Buddy
      Posted on August 16, 2012 at 11:10am

      I believe they tried that already when they freed the slaves.

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  • Diane TX
    Posted on August 15, 2012 at 8:21pm

    @ Brother Winston Smith

    Gad, you’re annoying! Isn’t there some Ron Paul site where you twelve Ron Paul worshipers can hang out? If you’re trying to gain membership to your special club, you’re really doing a poor job with your ridiculously long, repetitive posts.

    If you’re just a sore loser who has to “punish” everyone else because YOU didn’t get what YOU wanted, I suggest you find a mental health provider that may be able to help you.

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    • Brother Winston Smith
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 9:02pm

      Diane TX, DISSECTED….

      CORRECT:
      “Gad, you’re annoying!”
      TRUTH:
      I’m reminded if the Diehard script…
      Hans Gruber: Who are you then?
      John McClane: Just a fly in the ointment, Hans. The monkey in the wrench. The pain in the a**.
      Kinda like me, right?

      ALINSKYITE PROPAGANDA:
      “twelve Ron Paul worshipers”
      ALINSKYITE PROPAGANDA OBJECTIVE:
      1. Marginalization – positioning the voice for Constitutional Liberty as insignificant. Outnumbered. An attempt to discourage, by convincing the target that their efforts are futile and silly.
      2. “worshippers” – a standard smear to make the target appear irrational, or obsessively attached TO A MAN, instead of Constitutional Liberty.

      MORE ALINSKYITE PROPAGANDA:
      “you’re really doing a poor job with your ridiculously long, repetitive posts.”
      MORE ALINSKYITE PROPAGANDA OBJECTIVE:
      Again, a simple attempt to discourage and CHILL the target into silence, by positioning their efforts as a “waste of time.”

      LIE:
      “a sore loser”
      TRUTH:
      I’m a VERY sore loser… especially when “losing” (Romney/Ryan/Obama) means kissing more of my freedoms, treasure, sovereignty, national respect, peace, privacy, security and credit bye-bye. But of course, NOBODY’S BEEN NOMINATED OR LOST ANYTHING yet. Tampa will determine “losers.”

      PARTING ALINSKYITE NAME-CALLING:
      “mental health provider that may be able to help you.”

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    • DLV
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 10:25pm

      Yeah Winston you are getting a bit annoying especially with the whole true false thing. Give it a rest huh? You’re not helping your case.

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    • BCanook
      Posted on August 16, 2012 at 7:42am

      @BROTHER WINSTON SMITH

      I don‘t think you’re annoying. Insane may be a closer description of your writings. Look, Ron Paul didn’t win – unfortunate, but factual. I voted for him, but I have moved on. Before you is a choice: Elect Obama again and your liberties are on the fast track to the dumpster. Elect Romney and the process will be slowed. Which do you prefer?

      I called your posts “writings” earlier – they’re more along the lines of nonsensical rantings. Maybe you understand what you’re trying to say, but seriously most people just skip over you. Try making sense with brevity.

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  • KeithOlberdink
    Posted on August 15, 2012 at 8:12pm

    Yet, 50% of the country wants four more years of it. Are we living in twilight zone or what?

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    • Conservative2
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 11:31pm

      That’s if you truly believe the Pole providers. Now who’s to say they too, aren’t left leaning like the mainstream Media is.

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  • Bohump
    Posted on August 15, 2012 at 8:02pm

    I Hope ….. We change !

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  • Flippy
    Posted on August 15, 2012 at 7:43pm

    Wasn’t summer 2010 declared the summer of Recovery by the BHO administration?

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    • Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 7:57pm

      That isn’t recovery for you, silly Rabbit, recovery is for Dems. And Dems only, remember, they know where you live, they know where you work, and they know how you voted.

      Facist Party 2012
      Obama/Biden

      Because only Govt. can help, you didn’t build that.

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    • Brother Winston Smith
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 7:59pm

      No, I remember it being called the “game-changing“ ”Tsunami of 2010.” You know… the “Tsunami” of FAKE-TEA GOP that gave us NDAA, debt ceiling hikes, amnesty plans, MORE “Patriot” Act, MORE unconstitutional nation-building, MORE SPENDING, MORE DEBT, MORE SPENDING, MORE DEBT, MORE SPENDING, MORE DEBT, MORE SPENDING, MORE DEBT, MORE SPENDING, MORE DEBT, MORE SPENDING, MORE DEBT, MORE SPENDING, MORE DEBT, MORE SPENDING, MORE DEBT, MORE SPENDING, MORE DEBT, MORE SPENDING, MORE DEBT, MORE SPENDING, MORE DEBT, MORE SPENDING, MORE DEBT, MORE SPENDING, MORE DEBT, MORE SPENDING, MORE DEBT, MORE SPENDING, MORE DEBT, MORE SPENDING, MORE DEBT, MORE SPENDING, MORE DEBT, MORE SPENDING, MORE DEBT, MORE SPENDING, MORE DEBT…

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    • DLV
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 10:41pm

      Brother- also it says Paul would not treat Israel any differently than any other country. I disagree with him on this. They need to be our close ally. They are still God’s people and we should continue to support them. Paul’s record on Israel is here.

      http://www.thepoliticalguide.com/Profiles/House/Texas/Ron_Paul/Views/Israel/

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    • DLV
      Posted on August 16, 2012 at 5:56pm

      Brother- the black video was very nice. It shows at least this guy is not brainwashed by the democrats that have enslaved them. I would still argue however, black people like him are few and far between. Even if the GOP is ESTABLISHMENT black people still won’t touch the party let alone for someone like Ron Paul. I have yet to see a black person (except this guy) support Paul. If you want me to believe somehow by some miracle that the majority of black people support Paul show me polls among blacks. The truth is black people have been enslaved by liberal, the civil rights movement has been hijacked by people like Sharption, Jackson, etc. If any black strays into conservative territory they are demonized, if they can’t even be GOP what chance do they have with Paul? I have yet to see it. The fact is most blacks are still enslaved by liberals maybe a few opened up but they are few.

      As for the first video, it is great to see conservatives and liberals come together on certain issues but I would say that again this is few and far between and cooperation among polar opposite ideologies is laughable at best. Basically America is more polarized than ever before. The future of the country is going to hinge with progressives and conservatives and I”m willing to bet there will be a civil war over it soon. This was ONE instance ONE in that first video. I want polls that show Paul has a chance because so far I have seen him behind everywhere. As much as I like Paul, I don’t se

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  • bdandsl
    Posted on August 15, 2012 at 7:32pm

    @Brother Winston Smith -
    The country is not ready for Ron Paul. While I agree with some of his ideas, he doesn’t have a chance in heII. So, why don’t you help us kick obama to the curb and rally around the only choice there is? I truely believe Romney/Ryan will pleasantly surprise us.

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    • Brother Winston Smith
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 7:43pm

      bdandsl DISSECTED….

      LIE:
      “The country is not ready for Ron Paul.”
      TRUTH:
      Much of the country is SCREAMING FOR RON PAUL! The only folks who “aren’t ready” are democrats and Boomers (closeted democrats).

      LIE”
      “While I agree with some of his ideas,”
      TRUTH:
      FAKE-conservatives will always prelude their bravo sierra with a line like this. It’s designed to position them as rational thinkers who WANT to support Paul… but are sacrificing for the greater good.

      BOLD-FACED LIE:
      “he doesn’t have a chance in heII.”
      TRUTH:
      Ron Paul delegates have fought through the UNPRECEDENTED GOP CHEATING to actually WIN the States needed for a Tampa nomination! EXCITING!!!!!

      LIE:
      “So, why don’t you help us kick obama to the curb”
      TRUTH:
      FAKE-conservatives don’t give a damn about Obama. The 08 “better evil” SCAM was a COMPLETE FAILURE. Why would ANYBODY repeat it… unless their designs are to AGAIN, throw the fight… then spend 4 more years whining.

      LIE:
      “and rally around the only choice there is?”
      TRUTH:
      Ron Paul has a GREAT CHANCE at nomination. We ALSO HAVE Constitution Party Virgil Goode and Libertarian Party Gary Johnson.

      LIE:
      “I truely believe Romney/Ryan will pleasantly surprise us.”
      TRUTH:
      Romney’s/Ryan’s RECORDS PROVE, BEYOND A DOUBT, that they will CONTINUE Obama’s policies (although they have NO CHANCE of beating him, if they are CHEAT-nominated).

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    • Anonymous T. Irrelevant
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 7:58pm

      Oh, brother. Here we go again with the “Truth or Lie” game or “oopsies.”

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    • therealconservative
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 8:03pm

      @brother liberal

      LIE:
      Much of the country is SCREAMING FOR RON PAUL!
      TRUTH:
      Ron Paul hasn’t won a single state primary, in two elections
      LIE:
      Ron Paul delegates have fought through the UNPRECEDENTED GOP CHEATING to actually WIN the States needed for a Tampa nomination!
      TRUTH:
      Ron Paul tried to hi-jack delegates, but ran into the wall of state law.
      TRUTH:
      FAKE-conservatives don’t give a damn about Obama. Your one of them
      LIE:
      Ron Paul has a GREAT CHANCE at nomination.
      TRUTH:
      NONE.
      LIE:
      Romney’s/Ryan’s RECORDS PROVE, BEYOND A DOUBT, that they will CONTINUE Obama’s policies
      TRUTH:
      Their policies are worlds apart.

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    • Brother Winston Smith
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 8:27pm

      Yup, therealconservative, a lot of folks try to poach my style… but then jack it all up. Let me tweak it for you…

      LIE:
      Ron Paul hasn’t won a single state primary, in two elections
      TRUTH:
      Ron Paul has WON the States needed for nomination. A “win” is determined by DELEGATES, not primary straw polls.

      LIE:
      Ron Paul tried to hi-jack delegates, but ran into the wall of state law.
      TRUTH:
      Ron Paul folks have NOT ONLY BEAT THROUGH the GOP cheating… but have done so with their heads held high, having NOT RESORTED TO THE GOP’S CHEATING – which makes victory much sweeter.

      LIE:
      Their policies are worlds apart.
      TRUTH:
      Obama – Amnesty (Dream Act)
      Romney – Amnesty (Dream Act)
      Ryan – Amnesty (Comprehensive Amnesty)

      Obama – TARP
      Romney – TARP
      Ryan – TARP

      Obama – Signed NDAA
      Romney – Would sign NDAA
      Ryan – Voted for NDAA

      Obama – PRIVATE Federal Reserve
      Romney – PRIVATE Federal Reserve
      Ryan – PRIVATE Federal Reserve

      Obama – Nation-building
      Romney – Nation-building
      Ryan – Nation-building

      Obama – “Patriot” Act
      Romney – “Patriot” Act
      Ryan – “Patriot” Act

      Obama – Gungrabber (Endorsed handgun ban and limiting gun purchases)
      Romney – Gungrabber (Gun Control flip-flopper who SUPPORTED Brady)
      Ryan – Gungrabber (Voted to close the “gunshow loophole”)

      Obama – Collectivist healthcare. (Obamacare)
      Romney – Collectivist healthcare (Romneycare)
      Ryan – Collectivist healthcare (Medicare Part D)

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    • therealconservative
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 9:00pm

      @brother liberal

      LIE:

      Ron Paul has WON the States needed for nomination. A “win” is determined by DELEGATES, not primary straw polls.

      TRUTH:

      WRONG PAUL Hi-jacked SOME DELEGATES, but state law intervened. BTW what you liberals call ‘primary straw polls’ are called WE THE PEOPLE voted.

      TRUTH:

      Wrong Paul – Open Borders
      Wrong Paul – Pacifist
      Wrong Paul – Pro Drugs
      Wrong Paul – Anti-military
      Wrong Paul – Anti-Isreal
      Wrong Paul – Do nothing career politician.
      Wrong Paul – Pro pork spending

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    • PutMoreOnMyPlate
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 9:10pm

      We already gave this nation up when we let JFK die in vain and Johnson repealed the executive order of having our currency backed instead of the toilet paper it is today. Don‘t tell me there’s a candidate that will stand up to the beast that runs our nation. It is what it is. The more money that goes to a candidate tells me they’re more corrupt than the lessor. At the same time it tells me they will at least live for the next four years. Don’t kid yourselves into thinking that America will EVER be as it was 50 years ago much less ten years ago economically. We face judgment and I’m ready for it. Famine is coming.

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    • Brother Winston Smith
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 10:24pm

      therealconservative Ron Paul lies… DISSECTED…

      LIE:
      “Open Borders”
      TRUTH:
      RP is NO amnesty, NO Dream amnesty, NO, welfare magnet, NO birthright citizenship.

      LIE:
      “Pacifist”
      TRUTH:
      RP is a noninterventionist

      LIE:
      “Pro Drugs”
      TRUTH:
      RP supports the 10th Amendment. Same for beer, wine, raw milk, coffee, sugar, salt, fat, etc. This, of course does not indicate anyone CONDONING any of the above.

      HALF TRUTH:
      “Anti-military”
      WHOLE TRUTH:
      RP supports strong NATIONAL DEFENSE and understands that INTERVENTIONIST, BANKRUPTING, BLOODY MILITARY/NATION-BUILDING MAKES US VERY, VERY WEAK.

      LIE:
      “Anti-Isreal”
      TRUTH:
      RP supports ELIMINATING UNCONSTITUTIONAL, DANGEROUS, GLOBAL WELFARE actually making Israel STRONGER.

      LIE:
      “Do nothing career politician”
      TRUTH:
      RP has introduced HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS of bills ranging from 2nd Amendment restoration, anti-TSA, removing us from the UN to ELIMINATING the income tax. These bills have GONE NOWHERE, because the LEFTIST GOP HAS NO INTENTION OF RESTORING CONSTITUTIONAL LAW and offer NO HELP.

      LIE:
      “Pro pork spending”
      TRUTH:
      RP relays his CONSTITUENT’S requests (his job as a rep) but neither supports NOT VOTES for pork.

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    • DLV
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 10:35pm

      brother- you need to look up gungrabbing. Romney and Ryan aren’t gungrabbers. Closing gun loopholes isn’t gun grabbing. Even assault rifle bans aren’t gun grabbing (although I disagree with it) taking away any chance of getting a gun for a law abiding citizen is gun grabbing. FAIL! Ryan has a fine enough gun record here it is.

      http://www.thepoliticalguide.com/Profiles/House/Wisconsin/Paul_Ryan/Views/The_Second_Amendment/

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    • dmerwin
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 10:43pm

      Brother Winston Smith
      Dissected.
      RP consistently 10% in the primaries. Behind every other candidate in the primaries.
      bdandsl happens to be correct.
      By your own reckoning Democrats will not vote for RP so your real number is about 5% give or take, which is close to the margin of error in most polls.
      RP’s DOMESTIC message was good, we embrace that, his foreign policy is suicide. Islam will NEVER like us because we enjoy a higher standard of living and are infidels. That will never change.

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    • Brother Winston Smith
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 11:04pm

      Oooopsy… dmerwin, it‘s not nice to poach OTHER PEOPLE’S style.

      Wins and losses will be determined in Tampa. This primary WAS ONE HUGE CHEAT FROM OUTTA THE GATE, so I don’t GIVE A DAMN about any BS numbers you throw. The FAKE-conservative media BLACKOUT ALONE is enough to illustrate how “numbers” are COMPLETELY FUBAR.

      CLARITY:
      I meant ESTABLISHMENT democrats. MANY, MANY democrat, who are angry at Obama for lying through his teeth will vote Paul… NOT ROMNEY… ONLY PAUL. If Romney/Ryan are CHEAT-nominated… those folks, along with countless other voting groups INSTANTLY DISAPPEAR!

      ABSOLUTELY MORONIC STATEMENT, REMINISCENT OF BUSH:
      “Islam will NEVER like us because we enjoy a higher standard of living and are infidels.”

      SUICIDAL FOREIGN POLICY:
      A decade.
      8,000+ DEAD.
      10,000s injured.
      110,000+ ACTIVE DUTY TROOPS on mind-bending meds.
      Amputations.
      SHOCKING levels of suicides.
      Homicides.
      Trillions (that we DON’T HAVE) wasted.
      NOBODY “TRAINED” enough to fight for themselves.
      Americans murdered BY THE PEOPLE THEY ARE “TRAINING.”
      NOBODY “liberated” (for more than an third-world minute).
      Unconstitutional police/surveillance state. TSA, DHS, NDAA, VIPR Teams, swarming drones, “Patriot” act (1770s Writs of Assistance… THAT HELPED IGNITE OUR REVOLUTION).

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    • DLV
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 11:29pm

      brother- WTF? Establishment democrats are polar opposite from Paul they are progressives as you would say. Why in the hell would the vote for Paul if they voted for Obama before? hmm. I don’t see them going for Paul. What evidence do you have anyway that they would?

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    • Brother Winston Smith
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 11:45pm

      A little deeper clarity for DLV:

      Establishment democrats HATE Ron Paul, same as THEIR PARTNERS, the Establishment republicans. They both HATE liberty and they both HATE the Constitution. Now… democrat voters, WHO ARE NOT ESTABLISHMENT, will definitely go for Paul and are some of his loudest promoters. They voted for Obama, because (you’ll love this) they were fooled by the “ABB” (Anybody But Bush) garbage. They voted for Obama because of things like TARP, Bailouts, privacy issues, nation-building, torture, the Patriot” Act. But Obama turned out to be an even BIGGER “neocon” that Bush. These folk understand and TRUST Ron Paul to address those issues in 2012. THEY WILL VOTE GOP ONLY FOR PAUL… but would NEVER, EVER vote GOP for Romney.

      GOP 2012 voting blocks with Ron Paul:
      Youth
      Black
      Tea Party
      Liberty Movement
      Libertarians
      Constitutionalists
      UNCOMPROMISING conservatives
      Anti-war
      Anti-croni-capitalists
      Anti-“War on Drugs”
      Anti-police/surveillance state
      Tenthers
      Independents
      Third partiers
      Democrats
      DEFECTING 08 Obama voters
      Baby Boomers
      Republican Loyalists

      GOP 2012 voting blocks with Romney/Ryan:
      Baby Boomers
      Republican Loyalists

      PLEASE DO NOT SPLIT THE VOTES!!!!!!!
      Ron Paul 2012!

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    • DLV
      Posted on August 16, 2012 at 12:01am

      Brother- I’ve never ever heard of these democrats. Are you talking about old school democrats? Why are they still Dems then the progressives hijacked the party long ago. I’ve never heard of libertarian democrats sorry, not on the news, the internet, anywhere this is literally the very first time I’ve ever heard of such a thing.

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    • DLV
      Posted on August 16, 2012 at 12:08am

      brother- additionally, I have a few problems with your voting blocks for RP. Like Black votes. Are you kidding? Didn’t you know something like 88 percent of black people voted for Obama last election. They have been effectively brainwashed into the progressive camp. Same with young voters they were a huge reason why Obama won last time and while there is not the same ethusiasm this time, they still make up a good portion of the vote for Obama. Why would they suddenly switch to RP now?

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    • Brother Winston Smith
      Posted on August 16, 2012 at 12:28am

      @DLV

      The democrats I’m talking about are young and informed, NOT “old school.“ The ”old school” are the Establishment FAKE-liberal democrats, same as the republican FAKE-conservative Boomers. Here’s a FANTASTIC, ENCOURAGING example of “liberal” and “conservative” coming together for LIBERTY:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iFVsQYITWI

      There are countless black youtube testimonials supporting Paul and “TMOT” is a MAJOR, MAJOR grassroots player in the Ron Paul movement (I could watch this a thousand times!):
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptP3szLiEdw
      Another MAJOR grassroots RP player is:
      http://www.youtube.com/user/ReviewManify

      YES!!!!!! “young voters… were a huge reason why Obama won last time” EXACTLY! These are the Americans who NOW UNDERSTAND HE WAS LYING!!!!!!!!! And they are coming in DROVES to Ron Paul! NOT TO ROMNEY – ONLY RON PAUL!

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    • DLV
      Posted on August 16, 2012 at 6:33pm

      Brother- the black video was very nice. It shows at least this guy is not brainwashed by the democrats that have enslaved them. I would still argue however, black people like him are few and far between. Even if the GOP is ESTABLISHMENT black people still won’t touch the party let alone for someone like Ron Paul. I have yet to see a black person (except this guy) support Paul. If you want me to believe somehow by some miracle that the majority of black people support Paul show me polls among blacks. The truth is black people have been enslaved by liberal, the civil rights movement has been hijacked by people like Sharption, Jackson, etc. If any black strays into conservative territory they are demonized, if they can’t even be GOP what chance do they have with Paul? I have yet to see it. The fact is most blacks are still enslaved by liberals maybe a few opened up but they are few.

      As for the first video, it is great to see conservatives and liberals come together on certain issues but I would say that again this is few and far between and cooperation among polar opposite ideologies is laughable at best. Basically America is more polarized than ever before. The future of the country is going to hinge with progressives and conservatives and I”m willing to bet there will be a civil war over it soon. This was ONE instance ONE in that first video. I want polls that show Paul has a chance because so far I have seen him behind everywhere. As much as I like Paul, I don’t s

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  • Creativethinker
    Posted on August 15, 2012 at 7:26pm

    Here it is !! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwhKuunp8D8&feature=player_embedded Barak Obama saying he was born in Kenya

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  • mash4077
    Posted on August 15, 2012 at 7:25pm

    at least the AP made an attempt at honesty,although a lame one.they‘re still going to garry obozo’s water.both romney and obozo are CFR mrmbers. romney is going to have to spend most of his time and energy on fixing this retched mess called our economy.he won’t be able to weed out the libs and muslim brotherhood out of other areas of the govt ie:the state dept, fbi, irs, etc. we still lose.

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  • bdandsl
    Posted on August 15, 2012 at 7:16pm

    Do you want four more years of that? ROMNEY/RYAN 2012

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    • Brother Winston Smith
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 7:19pm

      HELL NO! Paul/Napolitano 2012!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    • Individualism
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 7:24pm

      they will make it even worse 4 years is not as bad as 8.

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    • Individualism
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 7:27pm

      Johnson/Gray 2012 if not Paul.

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    • Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 8:03pm

      Brother Winston:
      Do you mean Janet Napolitano? I don’t think Ru Paul and Janet Napalitano is going to be a ticket that is going anywhere, but they might get the angry, Bitter Gay and Lesbian vote, and all those people driving in Prius’.

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  • LameLiberals
    Posted on August 15, 2012 at 7:05pm

    ObamaCare was not mentioned as a reason employers are not hiring or expanding. So much for AP honesty.

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  • quiltgal
    Posted on August 15, 2012 at 7:02pm

    What recovery? And the recession (some would say depression) is getting close to 5 years old, not too different from the Great Depression. So, no, there isn’t “that.”

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  • louise
    Posted on August 15, 2012 at 6:53pm

    Hopefully Austrian Economics will become the foundation of economic policy in America. What you see happening in America is the result of both Democrat and Republican acceptance of the Keynesian Economic system.

    Can America get it right this time?

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  • Brother Winston Smith
    Posted on August 15, 2012 at 6:43pm

    Had enough?

    REALLY?

    Ron Paul 2012! Constitutional law, liberty, free-market, sound money, nonintervention, strong defense, peace and THE ONLY WAY to dump Obama. NO EXCUSES!!!!!!!!!

    Tampa‘s comin’!

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    • JUSTANOTHEROPINION
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 7:02pm

      Enough with this Ron Paul subject. He’s over, done finished, so, MOVE ON!!!!!

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    • therealconservative
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 7:17pm

      @brother liberal

      the RP con game is over, suck it up and drive on.

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    • Brother Winston Smith
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 7:18pm

      Oooopsy, JUSTANOTHEROPINION. Actually things are just starting to heat up…

      The LEFTIST GOP tried to BLACKOUT Ron Paul. They failed.

      The LEFTIST GOP tried to discourage Ron Paul supporters. They failed.

      The LEFTIST GOP tried to BURY Ron Paul’s campaign, by lying, smearing and fear-mongering. They failed.

      The LEFTIST GOP tried to “get” Ron Paul in HIT-JOB interview after HIT-JOB interview. They failed.

      The LEFTIST GOP tried to beat Ron Paul in debate. They failed.

      The LEFTIST GOP tried to CHEAT DELEGATES AWAY from Ron Paul. They failed.

      The LEFTIST GOP tried to EXTINGUISH Ron Paul excitement for Tampa. They failed.

      TAMPA‘S A’ COMIN!!!!!!!!!!
      PRESIDENT PAUL, PRESIDENT PAUL, PRESIDENT PAUL!!!!!!!

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    • Individualism
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 7:24pm

      either him or Gary Johnson, Gary has the record and the experience just not as desirable a platform.

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    • therealconservative
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 7:29pm

      @brother liberal

      Oooopsy. Ron Paul has run for president twice and FAILED.

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    • Brother Winston Smith
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 7:47pm

      Oooopsy, therealconservative(fake). You don‘t seem to appreciate America’s history. Ma’man George Washington failed over and over and over… before we won independence…

      Washington’s loses:
      Quebec
      Montreal
      Bunker Hill
      Long Island
      Lake Champlain
      Kip’s Bay
      Cherry Valley Massacre
      Bedford – Fair Haven
      Harlem Heights
      Bagaduce
      White Plains
      Sudbury
      Fort McIntosh
      Port Royal Island
      Fort Washington
      Oriskany
      Brandywine
      Paoli
      Germantown
      Savanna
      Rocky Mount
      Augusta
      Polk’s Mill
      Fishing Creek
      Lenud’s ferry
      Fort Anne
      Fort Keyser
      Burrell’s Landing
      Williamsburg
      Peterburg
      Osborne’s
      Wilmington
      Quinby Bridge
      Parker’s Ferry
      Eutaw Springs
      Fort George
      Blackstock’s Hill
      Richmond
      Tarrant’s Tavern
      Monck’s Corner
      Briar Creek
      Charleston
      Camden
      Guilford Courthouse
      Hobkirk’s Hill
      Blue Licks
      Combahee Ferry

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    • therealconservative
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 8:10pm

      @brother liberal

      Your right Washington failed time and time again, however Wrong Paul is not even CLOSE to being the man that Washington was. Also you forgot one thing, Washington was ACTUALLY respected and revered, Wrong Paul NOT.

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    • Brother Winston Smith
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 8:40pm

      Oooopsy, therealconservative(fake). Actually Ron Paul is, in ways, BETTER and MORE virtuous than Washington, as Paul does not “own” other people. And actually Washington was HATED AND HUNTED by the government (King George) and the Loyalists (the 1700′s version of Establishment republicans)… EXACTLY LIKE Ron Paul.

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    • therealconservative
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 9:09pm

      Oooopsy Brother liberal

      Now we know your nuts. BTW I was speaking of the Americans. I can’t blame you for not know about our founding, your a liberal.

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    • HealthyLoser
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 11:22pm

      It’s fun to read your comments Brother Winston Smith. I agree. Romney/Ryan is right wing statism. It’s the same disease, statism. Partisanship and gridlock is the circus the state has created to draw our attention as the state continues to grow and encroach further on our liberties and persons. We must be patient and prepare ourselves, family and associates as the situation continues to deteriorate. The timing of the collapse can not be predicted.

      Regarding the AP story about the sorry recovery, it’s only a statistical recovery when the GDP is adjusted using an understated deflator. Since the “recovery” began in 2nd qtr 2009 crude oil and stock prices (and gold) have about doubled while “real” GDP is up 6.8%. Trust your gut; jobless recovery, declining real incomes, contracting credit and number of government employees is declining. This recession/depression is ongoing. The statist solution can not correct this. The free market liquidation of the debt (all the debt; private and public [funded and unfunded]) is necessary. That means defaults, bankruptcies and reorganization. It’s a giant world wide workout. The creditors will resist this to the bitter end. Will the FED destroy the currency or accept that they have failed? I know my answer to that question.

      Take care of yourself and family and prepare. “Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people.” -Eleanor Roosevelt

      BTW will you be in Tampa during the RNC?

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  • Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
    Posted on August 15, 2012 at 6:39pm

    Welcome to the outcome of the Democrats and the Progressives; they want the economy destroyed, just as Soros wants the nation reduced in a controlled collapse. Before this mess is done we have to get the Democrats and Obama out of office, survive their last and desperate grabs to hold onto final power in the end (with a possible dictatorship on Obama’s behalf).

    Then under Romney/Ryan, WE the PEOPLE, will be able to make the nation take off again; even if the Democrats try to carry out their threat to collapse the economy before handing power over to the Republicans; we will make it and prosper once again.

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    • Brother Winston Smith
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 6:46pm

      Romney/Ryan(same as Obama/Biden)….

      Mitt Romney:
      Leftist judges
      Supports redistributed wealth for student loans
      Supports NDAA
      Bain wrecking ball, manufacturing jobs overseas
      Bankrolled by the SAME TOP bailed-out CONTRIBUTORS AS OBAMA
      Touchback Amnesty
      Dream Amnesty
      Hired illegal alien criminals (and DAMN WELL knew it).
      Mandated Purchase of Romneycare (HALF-funded by feds – unconstitutional)
      Romneycare-funded illegal alien criminal healthcare
      Undeclared Nation-building
      Supports the 4th-rejecting “Patriot” Act
      Global warming (when politically useful)
      Supports abortion (when politically useful)
      Instituted sodomite/lesbian “marriage” (and tried to blame courts)
      Supported TARP
      Supported the Brady Bill and Assault Weapons ban
      Notorious Flip-flopper
      Supports Private Federal Reserve
      Supports Assassinating citizens without Due Process

      Paul Ryan:
      CISPA
      TARP (which ignited the Tea Party AGAINST HIM)
      Auto Bailouts
      Economic Stimulus 2008
      ADDITIONAL Economic Stimulus 2009
      Debt ceiling hikes
      Comprehensive immigration reform without amnesty (AMNESTY)
      End the “gun show loophole”
      Socialized employment (extending UC)
      Socialized education (No Child Left Behind)
      Socialized medicine (Medicare Prescription Drug “benefits”)
      Socialized housing (Section 8 vouchers)
      Head Start
      4th shattering “Patriot” Act
      NDAA
      Nation-building
      MORE nation-building
      H.R. 347 (protest chilling)

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    • cosette
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 6:55pm

      @ BWS… Give it up for Gods’ sake. Ron Paul has no more chance to become president than Biden does of becoming a Mensa member. You’re going to have to face it at some point in time.

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    • Brother Winston Smith
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 7:04pm

      Oooopsy, cosette. Actually Ron Paul has won the States needed for a Tampa nomination! EXCITING STUFF!!!!!!! So there’s NO EXCUSE for anybody. NONE!

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    • therealconservative
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 8:20pm

      @brother liberal

      Please list the states that Wrong Paul WON. Include the delegate count and of course include state law about how the delegates MUST vote for the winner of the primary, which Wrong Paul didn’t win.

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    • DLV
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 10:48pm

      Brother- you can say what you want about Ryan and Romney but I want their voting records not your dumb words. Give me their voting record like this.

      http://www.thepoliticalguide.com/Profiles/House/Wisconsin/Paul_Ryan/Views/Debt,_Deficit,_Spending,_and_the_Size_of_Government/

      Btw, Ryan voted for spending cuts plenty of times and voted not raise the debt ceiling plenty of times. Try doing a bit of research and not just spouting things off.

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    • dmerwin
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 10:49pm

      Final delegate count
      Romney 1473
      Santorum 267
      Gingrich 145
      Paul 118
      Paul “won” two states Maine and Minnesota.
      In Alaska where the republican leader was replaced by a Paul supporter Paul had 6 to Romney and Santorum‘s 8 each and Gingrich’s 2. Not a dazzling performance.
      Sorry, time to move along.

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    • DLV
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 11:05pm

      Brother a few more records from politcal guide on ryans record on tarp while he voted for it here is some clarification.

      “In the beginning of the financial crisis, Congressman Ryan stated that we needed to be careful not to reward bad behavior by Wall Street with taxpayer dollars and that the Federal Reserve must remain focused on its primary mission of keeping inflation under control and not become a bank for troubled companies.”

      “In January of 2009, Congressman Ryan opposed releasing the second installment of the TARP funds because the system had grown beyond its original intent. He stated that he feared that the second $350 billion in TARP funding will go far beyond the original mission of preserving overall financial market stability, and instead will be used to fund a heavy-handed, neo-industrial policy.”

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    • Brother Winston Smith
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 11:10pm

      Psssst… dmerwin… we have the States:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fa2p8B43M_E

      EXCITING!!!!!!! Ron Paul 2012! NO EXCUSES!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    • DLV
      Posted on August 15, 2012 at 11:26pm

      Brother- additionally things with Ryan like Cispa I don’t find problematic. First the governments first job is national defense. Cispa’s primary goal was to find cyber-terrorism. Security is it’s number one job. I‘m not a progressive like I’ve said but I don’t particularly find this to be an issue.

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    • IsThereADifference
      Posted on August 16, 2012 at 12:43pm

      DLV DLV You are so confused as to what freedom and liberty really mean. You have let the progressive establishment wash what little brains you were born with into believing that laws like CISPA are what freedom loving Americans need to stay safe.

      He who would trade liberty for some temporary security, deserves NEITHER liberty nor security.
      Benjamin Franklin

      Stand up and be proud to be a PROGRESSIVE.

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    • DLV
      Posted on August 16, 2012 at 5:41pm

      Isread- You really need to stfu about me being a progressive. What’s my name? You don‘t know so you don’t know me so again STFU! For the last time, I am not a progressive! I am a conservative libertarian. I might actually call you a progressive because people who call people things are usually those things themselves. So congrats, Isread you’re a progressive stand up and be proud! Honestly, you’re missing a few brain cells. I love that quote by Franklin btw, I agree with it wholeheartedly. The thing with Cispa is it involves national security which is governments main job. Now, when there is EVIDENCE of Cispa violating people’s civil rights then I will proudly stand with you. What amendment does Cispa violate? Can you answer me this?! Honestly, you are fanatic who doesn’t know what you are talking about. I will be more than glad to renounce my position with Cispa if you find evidence that it is violating civil rights. Here is where Franklin’s quote comes into play the TSA that is outrageous action in the name of “security” they’re getting personal but in a day and age where it is very hard to track terrorists the government needs to try harder, if they don’t try harder we will fall prey to terrorists. How would you stop terrorists whether cyber, or an explosive attack how would you? Again, get off this site unless you actually have EVIDENCE! I want EVIDENCE! Evidence! Evidence! Evidence!

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    • IsThereADifference
      Posted on August 17, 2012 at 5:47pm

      You actually believe the government will only use this new power of theirs to seek out terror suspects? They have the power now that the law has been made to do whatever they want to. Our society of sheep let them gain this power in the name of “security” and douches like yourself fall for it every time. They fooled you with the Patriot Act and they fooled you with CISPA. They should have never been aloud this power in the first place. So now we have no other choice except to hope they don’t use it against us. All in the name of “security”. You “love” that quote by Franklin but you totally disregard the fact that this is exactly what he was talking about. You know and I know it. That is why your panties are in a bunch.

      I won’t call you a progressive EVER again. Your words and the policies you support do that for me.
      Good bye for now…

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