Fight for Orthodoxy: Catholic Bloggers Monitor ‘Marxist Influence’
- Posted on October 24, 2010 at 11:38pm by
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(AP) Pressure is on to change the Roman Catholic Church in America, but it’s not coming from the usual liberal suspects. A new breed of theological conservatives has taken to blogs and YouTube to say the church isn’t Catholic enough.
Enraged by dissent that they believe has gone unchecked for decades, and unafraid to say so in the starkest language, these activists are naming names and unsettling the church.
— In the Archdiocese of Boston, parishioners are dissecting the work of a top adviser to the cardinal for any hint of Marxist influence.
— Bloggers are combing through campaign finance records to expose staff of Catholic agencies who donate to politicians who support abortion rights.
— RealCatholicTV.com, working from studios in suburban Detroit, is hunting for “traitorous” nuns, priests or bishops throughout the American church.
“We’re no more engaged in a witch hunt than a doctor excising a cancer is engaged in a witch hunt,” said Michael Voris of RealCatholicTV.com and St. Michael’s Media. “We’re just shining a spotlight on people who are Catholics who do not live the faith.”
John Allen, Vatican analyst for the National Catholic Reporter, has dubbed this trend “Taliban Catholicism.” But he says it’s not a strictly conservative phenomenon — liberals can fit the mindset, too, Allen says. Some left-leaning Catholics are outraged by any exercise of church authority.
Yet on the Internet and in the church, conservatives are having the bigger impact.
Among Voris’ many media ventures is the CIA — the Catholic Investigative Agency — a program from RealCatholicTV to “bring to light the dark deeds of evil Catholics-in-name-only, who are hijacking the Church for their own ends, not the ends of Christ.”
In an episode called “Catholic Tea Party,” Voris said: “Catholics need to be aware and studied and knowledgeable enough about the faith to recognize a heretical nun or a traitorous priest or bishop when they see one — not so they can vote them out of office, but so they can pray for them, one, and alert as many other Catholics as possible to their treachery, two.”
The blog “Bryan Hehir Exposed” is aimed at a top adviser to Boston Cardinal Sean O’Malley, the Rev. J. Bryan Hehir, who is the former head of national Catholic Charities and a professor at Harvard University’s Kennedy School of Government. Among the bloggers’ claims is that Hehir is a Marxist sympathizer who undermines Catholic teaching on abortion and marriage.
(via Bryan Hehir Exposed)
Hehir, who has advised church leaders for four decades, hasn‘t responded to any accusations and neither has O’Malley, a Capuchin Franciscan friar known for his humility. However, O’Malley said in April on his own blog that Hehir “inspires us with his compassion, vision and fidelity to the work of the Church.” In August, O’Malley blocked access from archdiocesan headquarters to one of the critical blogs, the anonymously penned Boston Catholic Insider.
“The lack of civility is very disturbing,” said Terrence C. Donilon, the archdiocesan spokesman.
The work of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops is another frequent target.
Activists and bloggers, including Bellarmine Veritas Ministry of Texas, have been investigating the bishops’ Catholic Campaign for Human Development, a national grantmaking program created in the 1970s to support community organizing and economic development.
The activists concluded that some of the grantees back same-sex marriage, artificial contraception or abortion rights. As part of the push, activists accused the director of the bishops’ national social justice office of serving on the board of a nonprofit while it advocated for gay marriage and abortion. The claims against him were shown to be unfounded.
Still, the bloggers had an impact.
The bishop who oversees the anti-poverty grants said that a few, but not all, of the accused grantees had indeed taken positions contrary to church teaching and had been defunded. Since the controversy erupted, 10 of the 195 U.S. dioceses have suspended or dropped annual parish collections for the program, and the bishops are reviewing their grant policies.
Thomas Peters, who runs the popular “AmericanPapist” blog, said fellow orthodox Catholics have embraced the Web because they feel they finally have a platform that can compete with well-established liberal Catholic publications, such as the National Catholic Reporter. (Some conservative bloggers call the paper “the National Catholic Destroyer.”)
Peters, 25, considers himself on the more positive side of the orthodox Catholic blogosphere, although some targets of his commentary disagree.
He condemns the vitriol he sees online, and promotes a blog feature called “bishops with backbone,” in praise of church leaders who rein in dissenters. He also added an online function to send thank you notes when leaders take tough stands, recently generating 500 letters in one day for Archbishop John Nienstedt of St. Paul and Minneapolis who refused Holy Communion to gay rights protesters at a recent Mass.
“All of these things that we say in public are meant for the best good of the church,” said Peters. He began his blog several years ago and now works for the American Principles Project, a conservative advocacy group founded by Princeton University scholar Robert George.
The rise in lay conservative fervor comes at a time when the need for activism would seem less urgent. The U.S. hierarchy has seen a wave of retirements in recent years that has swept out leading liberals. The men taking their place are generally more traditional and willing to take a harder line against disobedient Catholics, from politicians to parishioners.
But even with these changes, bloggers say too few prelates speak out. The activists also say that since the 1970s, after the modernizing reforms of the Second Vatican Council, liberals have filled the bureaucracy of the church, hiding dissent from the bishops they serve.
“There’s an old saying: Once you become a bishop you never get bad news or a bad meal,” said Carol McKinley, 53, a Boston-area blogger who named her site “The Tenth Crusade.” ”Not a single bishop will look at the whole. They enjoy their ignorance.”
Critics of the bloggers contend the activists are motivated mostly by politics, not theology. The blogs feature nearly as many attacks on President Barack Obama as church leaders. McKinley’s site, until recently, was called “Throwthebumsoutin2010,” in anticipation of the midterm elections.
The late Saul Alinsky, the father of modern community organizing, is also a common topic on the conservative Catholic blogs. Activists complain that many groups that receive grants from the Catholic Campaign for Human Development use the tactics of Alinsky, a hero of the political left and a preoccupation of the political right since the 2008 election. When Obama was a community organizer in Chicago, he worked with people trained by Alinsky.
However, the conservative Catholic activists insist their faith, especially church teaching on abortion, inspires all their work.
Catholic officials are struggling to come to terms with the bloggers and have organized several recent media conferences on the topic, the latest at the Vatican this month. The U.S. bishops’ conference issued social media guidelines in July calling for Christian charity online.
Still, no one expects the Catholic blogosphere to change tone anytime soon. Many of the conservatives most active online had spent years raising the alarm about dissent on their own in their local dioceses without much effect. Now, they feel they are finally being heard online.
“There’s a general sense among many faithful Catholics that no matter how much they write their bishops, no matter how much they go to the pastors, all of these unfaithful things keep getting taught,” Voris said. “I think enough Catholics are saying, ‘That’s it. I’ve had it.’”
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Sam the Casual Movie Guy
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 7:34amI am Catholic, and this is a tremendous benefit for the Church. The Traditional movement has been trying to restore sanity to the Church since the Second Vatican Council, and has had modest success lately – Benedict’s MP allowing Traditional Anglicans to join en masse, the liberation of the Tridentine Mass, etc. BUt it’s more than just Latin and cassocks – the Church has had a mindset shift to the Left, and has been infiltrated by people, both lay and cleric, whose agenda lines up more with old Moscow than old Rome. We’re trying to restore our Faith, and we’ve been silenced since 1965 in the name of obedience. No more.
Report Post »metalurgy
Posted on November 24, 2010 at 8:20pmSam The Casual Movie Guy
Well spoke. It stands to reason that one of the biggest American Church denominations has it’s bad apples and are painted with broad brush strokes by non-believers and fellow Christians alike. We are all lumped into one basket because of those bad apples.
As a practicing Catholic, I have stayed in the church and changed the liberalism from within, much like Fancis of Assisi. You don’t abandon your chosen church because it is corrrupt. You weed it out and cleanse it. It’s an ongoing process and all men sin including priests. Those that leave were looking for an excuse to follow their own man made faith, which Paul rightly calls the doctrine of devils and demons. The gospels even note Christ “attended the sabbath as was his habit”,
Name me one religion that doesn’t have child abusers in it. They all have them and they are all well documented, but it is the Catholic Church that makes the news. Every other major Christian denomination now allows Gay Priests except for the Catholic Church. The media and Catholic bashers here happily condone the “open minded” gay churches while condemning exposed gays in the Catholic Church.
Sorry but this is why homosexuality is a sin, no matter the religeon. The religion can’t be blamed for the sin of its members. It leads into and promotes sexual abuses. There are other reasons but this is but one.
Pope John Paul II along with then Cardinal Ratzinger (now our current Pope) made huge strides in bringing this defect into the light and making reperations. The Church still does the same today and it is weeding out the liberal professors and seminarians infecting our colleges and seminaries.
If you bash the Catholic Church, you’d dang will better point the finger at yourself and pull the plank of hypocracy out of your own eye first. The Catholic Church and Catholic Charities worldwide do more good for the poor, homeless, infirmed and imprisoned then any other organization or government on the planet period. Our charities are in all fifty states and every country in the world. Not one other religion can make that claim.
Report Post »LadyIzShy
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 7:33amlike any other church there are good and bad the fact that someone is wanting topoint out the bad is at least a start
Report Post »emertz8413
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 7:26amWell, I’ve been saying this for a year and a half, my church, the Catholic church, is going to be ripped apart. I’ve seen it coming. When people stand up at mass and start yelling at the priest that he can’t talk about health care, you’ve got a problem.
Report Post »patriotatheist
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 5:03amthis guy is a joke, right??
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Posted on October 25, 2010 at 3:45amRebellion to tyrants is obedience to god.
Report Post »COUNTRY LOVIN GAL
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 2:54amAdd your comments
Report Post »Truth-Wielder
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 9:17amI think I will, Gal…this sounds frighteningly like radical Islam. If I remember correctly, one of the tenets of Islam also calls for the slaying of their own if they are deemed ‘not reverent enough’. And I believe that was in the second line of this article–they’re looking for those who are not Catholic enough.
Can you say ‘The Second Inquisition’?
Report Post »COUNTRY LOVIN GAL
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 2:53amI am a fan of Father John Corapi (fathercorapi.com). He publishes his talks, homilies, the catechism and the teachings of Jesus, He also travels around the country preaching, HE IS A VERY CONSERVATIVE CATHOLIC. He also has a cd on Socialism in America. On one of his CD’s he mentioned that the senators who have voted for abortion rights should be, on the spot, excommunicated, and not be allowed to receive the Sacraments until they have admitted their sin publicly and corrected their wrong. He is truly a voice to listen to in our politically correct world.
Report Post »Hoosier
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 3:31amAmen!!!
Report Post »DLG123
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 5:48pmFather Corapi is Awesome… He doesn’t pull punches tells it like it is!!! Glenn Beck would love this guy and I would love to see the interview
fathercorapi.com Please, please, please check this guy out
Report Post »staythecourse
Posted on October 26, 2010 at 1:48am“excommunication of senators who vote for abortion’. …?? So does the new cardinal…cardinal burke. I continue to be amazed at how our national leaders say they support abortion in the same breath that they say they are Catholics.
Report Post »BigMuddy
Posted on October 26, 2010 at 7:59pmI saw Father Corapi in an all day seminar that filled an arena. He is awesome and has an amazing conversion story. He got a standing o when he started ripping on Obumbo.
Report Post »Hoosier
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 2:25amAs a practicing Roman Catholic who attends Mass once and sometime more than once a week, I say, as a whole, the U.S. Catholic Council of Bishops can’t be trusted.
Report Post »joseph Fawcett
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 2:19amI am a former Catholic, was a Monk at one time, a long time ago. I am so glad to see this happening in the catholic church. It won’t bring me back to it. I think that the catolic church has some major fundermental doctrinal issues with actual scripture. However, I do believe that a person can be a true Christian and still be a Catholic. I am so happy to hear that many of them are standing up for truer faith in Christ and the church. May God bless their efforts and draw all catholics closer to Himself.
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Report Post »PIGSWILLNEVERFLY
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 11:13amAmen. I went to catholic school, Holy Mass 6 days a week. Confession on Saturday. Had visible goose-bumps many times at the mass in latin, and when singing in choir. The incense, the stations of the cross, no meat on Fri during lent, plaid uniforms. My world-….the catholics. I was indoctrinated into religion. I have often wondered how lost would I have been without these disciplines. Not long ago I remember standing with a police officer, and telling a foul mouth, confused, hateful gang member to GO TO CHURCH. You have to start somewhere and then trust that God WILL lead the way.
5 years ago I discovered Les Feldick, through the Bible on TV. I’ve learned more about the Holy Trinity, and the meaning of life from an Oklahoma farmer than from all the years on my knees. The Lord, God is this sinners savior & King. The catholics taught me discipline, humility, prayers, commandments, integrity and self-confidence in eternal life of the soul. In short, it taught me common sense, faith, hope and charity and reverence in my heart. This indoctrination is the solid rock foundation on which my un-quenching search for esoteric truth began. However, I now reject organized religion or any political church. God’s church is spread around the world, and is in individual believers and not in any one religion. Hope to see your shining soul in the Rapture. If it’s left up to the Marxists and Jhadist it may be sooner than later. Until then, Smile, Laugh, Love, Believe…The world has always been in God’s hands and His Will, Will be done – The choice, however, is yours. Failing is good, you will find His comfort there. He is the same yesterday, today & tomorrow, He is Sovereign, Immutable and all Knowing.
A human’s finite mind will never, ever comprehend the meaning of INFINITE love & grace, and so, having personally seen miracles happen thru prayer, I believe, and it never fails to bring me to my knees in thankful reverence. I have built my inner adytum. Outwardly, all is corrupt, yet God has blessed us all, we are living in His time of Grace until He says It Is Done.
Report Post »TJeff2112
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 2:06amAccording to Voris, only Catholics should be allowed to vote. I don’t need this guy as my neighbor, nor will I listen to him anymore. Good luck to all you Catholics who want to take over the world (sounds like a jihad to me).
Report Post »thepatriotdave
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 1:48pmYou are accusing all Catholics for what this one guy says? Then maybe we are right to condemm all of Islam, they have a nut or two also.
When all else fails, logic is your friend.
Report Post »runnin.whitehorse
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 2:04amIt sounds like a needed cleansing from within or a cancer needing cut out? Is not Christ at the head of the church and in control?
Report Post »Ray2447
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 1:47amI say God’s blessings on anyone who works to rid our country of the scourge of the Marxist agenda.
Report Post »rfpzzzzz
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 12:28amReform from within in the manner of St Francis of Assisi rather than revolt after the fashion of various heretic groups or the protestant reformation is a constant need of the Church. There is a reason the left wishes to destroy the Church. There is much more good than bad. It sounds like the blogs cited are on to something. I have been shocked by some of the liberal musings in the NCR. Liberalism has caused a lot of trouble in the mainline Protestant churches and Catholics are under constant attack.
Report Post »thepatriotdave
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 1:01amOn target!
Report Post »wonderbug
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 11:00am“There is a reason the left wishes to destroy the Church.” Exactly right!!!
“Catholics need to be aware and studied and knowledgeable enough about the faith to recognize a heretical nun or a traitorous priest or bishop when they see one — not so they can vote them out of office, but so they can pray for them, one, and alert as many other Catholics as possible to their treachery, two.” Again, exactly right! Everyday Catholics hate corruption as much as anybody.
Scott, I was just tickled to see this story:) Thank you.
Report Post »westy98530
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 12:19amWOW. The Blaze has no business whatsoever posting anything by Michael Voris. Check out this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EciZMULUKNs In it, he openly and clearly expresses his belief that the only way to govern a country is through benevolent Catholic dictatorship. He’s not joking, either. This guy is no friend to the Republic (and, incidentally, no real friend of the Church, either)
Report Post »capitalismrocks
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 12:47amI’ve liked a lot of his research and exposures of financial connections to corporations, groups and individuals looking to the destroy and or serious damage to the Catholic church and Christianity as well. I appreciate that kind of research…
As a Catholic, on this particular video, he couldn’t be anymore WRONG. Sorry, but every citizen, unfortunately uneven those who are ignorant to whom they are voting for or those who vote to people with an agenda… if I recall, it is our God Given Right, that all men are created equal? So if you are a US Citizen, then you should have the right to vote, even the ones who have destructive and/or self absorbed reasons for their vote.
There already is a Catholic Nation, it is called Vatican City, a Sovereign Country of its own. The United States is predominantly Christian (80%) but then, are we as Catholics going to impose that all other Christian Faiths all fall under Catholicism once again? I don’t think that would go over well with those who worship other forms of Christianity.
This is not a nation of Theology, this is a Nation of laws. The 1st Ammendment guarantee’s equal and fair treatment of all religions, no one religion over another, freedom of religious expression, and that the govt cannot form its own religion. So to ask that only Catholics be allow to vote would require a direct violation of our Constitution…
Therefor his view on that particular video are flawed and wrong.
Report Post »thepatriotdave
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 12:48amI see no problem with teh Blaze covering this story. Other than his comments about the Ctaholic Church being the best to govern we mere mortals, he got everything else correct.
Keep in mind he is saying pretty much the same thing that many from other religions say about their own. Mine is the best, no mine is. Mine is the the most likely to see you get into heaven. No its not, mine is. And on and on. This is normal behaviour in people that believe in their faith without question, and it happens in all religions. We have some very modern examples of one religion that has taken this to the extreme. Think terrorists… Islam believes that all of mankind should follow/obey Sharia law (which is not religious, its more of a political philosophy similar to Marxism).
Mr. Voris has 90% of his thinking headed in the right direction, but he has allowed his unshakeable faith to take his ideas too far. That‘s ok as long as he doesn’t promote violence with his message. After all we are still a free nation (for now) abd he is free to express his opinion.
His work watching for Marxist influence in his Church (or of any Church) is a huge service to mankind, so I will cut him some slack.
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Report Post »westy98530
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 1:07amThe problem with the Blaze covering this story is one of associations. Voris may get a few things right from time to time, but he’s still against everything this Republic (and ostensibly this news site) stands for. That, at the very least, needs to be addressed. It’s a dangerous game that we should not be playing. The enemy of my enemy is not my friend.
Report Post »thepatriotdave
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 1:07amcapitalismrocks,
Yeah but…. don’t you know at least one person that makes you think… “please God don’t let him vote”. We all do, but as you correctly state… our system allows every US citizen to vote, so we simply have to do a better job at informing the not-so-informed. ‘How’ is the hard part.
Report Post »thepatriotdave
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 1:24amwesty98530 Posted on October 25, 2010 at 1:07am
You said “That, at the very least, needs to be addressed.” How would it have been addressed it had never been brought up?
His work to weed out Marxism makes him a bit of a hero. With his work trying to keep out Marxists is taking direct action to a very serious anti-American problem. His wishes for Catholic rule are simply wishes. For now, his ‘actions’ trump his ‘wishes’.
Report Post »westy98530
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 1:46amI would contend that if you’re going to introduce an unfamiliar person to an audience, that audience deserves full disclosure. In other words, for the Blaze to bring him, they should have brought up his anti-Republic beliefs, as a sort of disclaimer. That’s the responsibility that comes with holding yourself to a higher moral standard. If he were a leftist, we would rake him over the coals for having those kinds of views, and rightly so. He shouldn’t get a pass, just because we agree with some of his opinions. We’re better than that. We deserve nothing less than absolute integrity of our convictions.
Report Post »DLG123
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 5:38pmWesty
Report Post »Voris is not anti-Republilc hee seems to me to be anti-democracy which I am as well… So many people think that we are a democracy when we are not or we were not founded that way. We may have very well decended into the state of mob rule.
thepatriotdave
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 12:18amThis is a very important step forward to saving two important ideals, Christianity and Freedom. Yes, both do go hand in hand.
Its also nice to see there are some very serious people paying close attention to Marxist doctrine and the influences it has on religion. Ok, that’s a stretch, but at least the groundwork is being laid by one religion and one Church, which may help other religions cast out Marxist Orthodoxy from its ranks. This is exciting news people, very, very exciting! Why? Well, as I said earlier today in response to another topic, Marxist philosophy is the orthodoxy of evil.
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Report Post »patriotatheist
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 5:18amDave, you really are deluded…. christianity and freedom go hand in hand? i am an avowed atheist and i have every right to freedom as much as anyone else in this great country, regardless of race, creed, color, or religious belief (or in my case, lack thereof)…
how DARE you!!!! your beliefs are an abomination to the ideals of our founding fathers!!
Report Post »staythecourse
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 12:14amhaving trouble getting this message out. Keeps getting erased.
Message continued from previous entry….. Voris shows the Alinksy connection in chicago and how he targeted both unions and the Catholic Church to gain power. Alinsky then set his eyes on specifically training catholic priests in the seminaries in his evil ways. By doing this he was able to influence the Catholic church across the entire United States and push his liberation theology agenda as a social action program. One of the bishops from Chicago then sought refuge at Notre Dame and continued his evil influence. Voris shows in his expose that Obama visiting Notre Dame and getting an honorary degree was actually very signficant as a “victory lap” for both Obama and Alinsky. There apparently was a lot more than meets the eye in that event. Check out Voris’s web site and watch his CIA program on the CCHD (Catholic Campaign for Human Development) and the USCCB (U.S. Catholic Conference of Bishops). Voris has really done his homework.
Report Post »Large Eagle
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 12:07amLearn to Love CHRIST – I like that!
Pray for their success and revelation
Be Blessed – Power to Prosper
Report Post »13thGenerationAmerican
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 12:03amThe church needs to stay in the business of saving souls. I doubt God has any interest in the tea party
Report Post »Miami
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Report Post »It’s Obama who is get involved in the Churches with his Social Justice movement.
Taquoshi
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 8:24amSaving souls is one thing, but it is a whole different kettle of fish when one claims to be Catholic and practices cafeteria style faith (I’ll have a little of this, a little of that, and no I don’t like that).
If one is self-identifying as Catholic, that person needs to know what the Roman Catholic creed is and agree with it. If one does not agree with the major tenents of the faith, one is not, by strict definition, a Roman Catholic. There are those who I know who loudly proclaim themselves as Roman Catholic and advocate both the gay lifestyle and abortion, both of which the Church has taught were wrong for centuries. I’ve also been told that by one individual that neither the Pope nor the bishops nor the parish priest was going to tell him what to believe. These issues are not a differences of opinion, they are a breaking of the covenant of faith between the individual and the Church he/she claims to be a member of. I was raise a Roman Catholic, but realized I did not agree with several key articles of faith, I no longer identify myself as a Roman Catholic.
The issues that these groups are dealing with are vital to the Church and indirectly to society. The priests and leaders that they are exposing are leading their congregations astray in terms of what the Church teaches by substituting their own individual political and social views. Not only is it wrong for the Church, but it is deceptive to the congregants.
Report Post »gckings19
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 12:02amIU think the council of bishops and the church needs to get back to teaching the correct beliefs of the church. when they came out in support of healthcare it was the last straw for me. nowhere in the bible or the teachings of the church does it say we should let the government take our money to provide healthcare for everyone.
Report Post »13thGenerationAmerican
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 12:07amJesus did heal some very sick people who had no other resource to which they could turn. And Jesus told a story about a man who helped a stranger from another ethnic group who had been attacked and left for dead. He told that story when someone asked him who he should consider his neighbor. Jesus insisted that anyone we have a chance to help is our neighbor and we should want for our neighbor what we have and want for ourselves. Jesus taught that we should love your neighbor we love ourselves.
As one great philosopher said: “Let a word to the wise be sufficient.”
Report Post »staythecourse
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 12:19amActually the Conference of Bishops didn’t support the bill… it was a nun who in defiance of the Bishops supported the bill. I forget her name but she is the head a Catholic hospital association. It was she who convinced Catholics holding out on the abortion issue to agree to the bill so it would be passed, and then got herself a souvenir in the form of one of the pens obama used to sign the bill.
Report Post »gckings19
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 12:21amit is voluntary….not forced by the government. i understand helping people but allowing the government to decide who we help is not my understanding of charity and kindness.
Report Post »jcons114
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 1:08amI was about to say the USCCB condemned the healthcare bill because it federally funds abortion. Its all the damn liberal nuns that were supporting it.
Report Post »thepatriotdave
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 1:11amTo 13thGenerationAmerican,
What Jesus said has no bearing on what ‘gckings19’ wrote. I know the Bible quite well and I have never seen anything that come close to “we should vote for a complete takeover of healthcare by our government”. If I do come across it I will be the first to post it.
Report Post »thepatriotdave
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 1:16amTo staythecourse,
Just another illustration of something I strongly believe… we are up against the battle between good and evil on a daily basis. In her case, she was taken over by evil.
Report Post »fight.the.good.fight
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 2:13am“when they came out in support of healthcare” that was not the bishops, just those dissident nuns (exactly the Marxists hiding in the church) that is the subject in this story. There are some bad bishops no doubt, but tea-party Catholics are organizing to loudly demand an end to this. Finding like-minded parishes, praying on our knees for the protection of Divine Providence.
Report Post »USAVET
Posted on October 24, 2010 at 11:56pmI wonder if the thousands of sexually abused children thank them.
Report Post »jsDway
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 12:24amThe children who were sexually assaulted were assaulted by homosexuals hiding in the Catholic Church, not by normal people!
Report Post »thepatriotdave
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 12:53amUSAVET,
You are right to bring up the sex scandals that plagued his Church for years. I do not know much about this man but my guess is… he became a fierce reformation fighter because of the scandals in his Church. I’ll bet what happend in his Church sickened him as much as it did you and I.
Report Post »EP46
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 6:11amWe all agree that the sexual abuse needed to be addressed and stopped. But I also believe that when this( the publicity about this) started several years ago it was the beginning of the left trying to take down the Catholic Church. They tried to totally destroy an organized religion by using the scandal to stop money being donated to the Church. And they made great progress. The people who committed these horrible acts needed to be punished, but that was not the purpose of the left. Their purpose was to use this to crush the church just as they are trying to destroy all Christians today. They must bring down our religion in order to destroy us.
Report Post »messenger
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 7:24amEP46 sees the fire through the smoke.
Report Post »Rn mom
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 4:21pmI think they will thank anyone who dedicates their time and energy to uncovering any corruption in the church.
Report Post »LibertyGirl
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 8:16pmHow many teachers and coaches have abused children? How many pastors of other religions? The only reason it gets so much press is because of the wide breath of the Catholic Church. Where there was abuse and where there were coverups, there needs to be consequences. However, you cannot possibility condemn an entire world-wide church because of the actions of a few disgusting people.
Report Post »benditlikebeck
Posted on October 24, 2010 at 11:55pmYour cult is dying, get over it already.
Report Post »thepatriotdave
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 12:50amWhere does he mention a ‘cult’?
Report Post »Miami
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 12:57amDoes Soros pay you for 7 days a week…?
Report Post »messenger
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 8:14amI would hasten to say the above is evidence to the contrary.
In fact, it would appear we have something of a cult-ure class battle taking place on every plane of existence from politics to religion to environmental issues to monetary circumstance…shall I go on?
In which of these cults do you find yourself?
Report Post »JohnDoe
Posted on October 24, 2010 at 11:54pmOur great country was founded by and for the citizens of the thirteen colonies. It was designed to insure that a central government was controlled and limited by representatives of those citizens. It was given a limited amount of power, with many checks and balances, to secure the rights and freedoms for its citizens. They were making sure that an American Government would and could not become as Britian had. England enacted laws and taxes on their American subjects, but without allowing the colonies a say in their government. Ignoring the will of the people of America, they bullied and took away what limited rights they had and tried to force them to comply. Sound familiar? Yes, we don’t have to look far across the Atlantic at a despotic leader, we have only to look at the Oval Office in Washington, D. C. and to those whom we had entrusted the liberties of the people and the country. Our representatives, Senate and the House, are there to represent the will of the people. Instead, they have consistently lied to their constituents, both during campaigns and when in office. They have consistently robbed the American people, not only of their money, but also by stealing their liberties, little by little. The incumbent office holders allow themselves to be above the law, they allow themselves to steal by back-room corrupt deals and the like. They ignore the very people who put them in office, they even resort to passing laws, under cover of darkness. They hide laws and corrupt deals in the midst of thousand of pages of laws. This has always been a trick of unethical lawyers. Their mindset is to bog down any opposition by inudating them with mountains of paperwork. Then, they laugh and call the people stupid and ignorant, or worse! No doubt, I could go on and on. Their lack of character, morals and ethics makes them unfit to be employed anywhere, let alone entrusted with the security, freedom, and economic growth of this great country. They have taken your freedom to worship, especially targeting Christianity. They have tried to rewrite the American history, to further their agendas, just like the Moslems continue to do with Israel.
Soon after deciding what sort of Government America was to become, that very question was asked of Benjamin Franklin. In reply Franklin said, “A Republic….if we can keep it”. This is a question that should be upon the lips of all true American patriots. If we can’t or more correctly, if we won’t, then we don’t deserve it. The choice is up to us, the American people, and the answer should be and must be yes we will!
You’re probably asking how do we insure that we will keep this nation a free Republic. Oh, we voted for only those who promised no more taxes, no more spending, etc., etc. Of course they all were proven to be liars again (or should I have said they were just not quite forthcoming or perhaps they were a little disingenuious?). Then we did the “best of the two evils” choice. This was no different than the “Magician’s Choice” trick! We now know that there is no difference between Republicans and the Democrats when it comes to which is telling the truth. Neither has the best interest of America at heart, probably not even in mind! Their goal is simply to acquire power, money, more power and more money while doing and saying anything to remain in office.
So what is the answer? They don’t listen when the people, overwhelmingly, protest and tries to voice their opposition. So the American people need to get their UNDIVIDED attention. How? WE THE PEOPLE, must vote any and all incumbents out of office. It doesn’t matter if they are better than most. If they haven’t been part of the solution, then they are part of the problem. THEY MUST KNOW AND WE MUST LET THEM KNOW THAT GOVERNMENT WILL NO LONGER BE RUN BY ROUGUE LAWYERS AND OPPORTUNISTS, PROGRESSIVES (AKA SOCIALISTS), ETC. THEY ARE NOTHING MORE THAN MODERN-DAY CARPETBAGGERS OR WANNA-BE DICTATORS. THEY MUST BE EDUCATED TO THE FACT THAT THEY WILL BE VOTED OUT AGAIN AND AGAIN, UNTIL THEY LEARN THAT OUR REPRESENTATIVES ARE NO LONGER ABLE TO RUN THEIR OWN VERISON OF CRIME, INC.
AND THOSE THAT ARE ELECTED TO OFFICE, BUT CONTINUE TO DO WHAT IS BEST FOR THEIR OWN BENEFIT WILL SOON LEARN THEY WILL HAVE ONLY ONE TERM IN OFFICE.
We, the people, need to lobby our newly elected representatives to enact new laws to insure ALL our freedoms, our security, etc. Enact laws that ethical or criminal behavior of representatives will be prosecuted swiftly and severly, with no possibility of any pardon…not by a state Governor nor by a President! Enact laws or amendments to limit a President to one term only, ensuring that any damage to our country will not be as damaging as is obvious with this Government. Further limit the terms of our Representatives, both in the Senate and the House. Imperative to limit the term of all Supreme Court Justices to no more than an eight year term and make an amendment that the justices can no longer re-interpret the Constitution, but uphold the laws as it was written and intended by the original framers.
So, the bottom line is this: unless the American people get the undivided attention of those in government…when you and your family members are homeless and hungry or at the very least jobless…remember, you have only yourselves to blame.
THE ONLY WAY TO INSURE THAT YOUR FUTURE REPRESENTATIVES WILL LISTEN TO ITS CONSTITUENTS IS VOTE OUT ALL INCUMBENTS!!! FROM THAT POINT ON, EACH REPRESENTATIVE MUST KNOW WE WILL VOTE THEM OUT AGAIN AND AGAIN UNTIL WE HAVE RESPONSIBLE REPRESENTATIVES THAT UNDERSTAND THEY ARE THERE FOR THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE.
Report Post »benditlikebeck
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 12:04amAnd vote in idiots who don’t even know the first amendment?
Report Post »thepatriotdave
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 12:23amI may agree with what you wrote, but I’m curious… what does any of what you wrote have to do with the subject of this article?
I guess I’m just looking for the connection, I have nothing nefarious in mind, just curious.
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Report Post »thepatriotdave
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 12:25amTo benditlikebeck,
You of course are refering to Obama.
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Report Post »Miami
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 1:00ambenditlikebeck
Yes because you liberals are so bright….?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDJSVPAx8xc
Report Post »whitaker
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 7:35am@benditlikebeck
Report Post »ROFL if your refering to O‘donnel’s debate. She was right but didnt explain her point well. “Seperateation of church and state” is nowhere in the document. It was in a leter one of the founders wrote and was taken out of contex by a SC judge.
ermalu
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 1:30pm“THE ONLY WAY TO INSURE THAT YOUR FUTURE REPRESENTATIVES WILL LISTEN TO ITS CONSTITUENTS IS VOTE OUT ALL INCUMBENTS!!! FROM THAT POINT ON, EACH REPRESENTATIVE MUST KNOW WE WILL VOTE THEM OUT AGAIN AND AGAIN UNTIL WE HAVE RESPONSIBLE REPRESENTATIVES THAT UNDERSTAND THEY ARE THERE FOR THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE”
We aint the French.
Report Post »thepatriotdave
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 1:45pmTo ermalu,
Ron Paul too?
Report Post »Bestmom
Posted on October 26, 2010 at 3:59pmAmen!!!! We need to have term limits on all elected officials. They have become complacent and arrogant.
As a Catholic, priests etc are only men and our faith does not rely on their actions. I have to answer to God for my actions. I rely on my gift of discernment to do what is right for me and my children. The actions of any religious does not change my belief and faith.
I do not believe in social justice. I do not want any government person telling me who and how much I am to donate. I decide who to give to and how much. My faith guides me, not the government.
Report Post »Robert W
Posted on October 27, 2010 at 5:56pmGod Bless Micheal Voris. All weak kneed christians get out of the way. Will you live your faith even if it includes suffering or dying for it. The time of fence-sitting is over. Every christian of every denomination will have to make the decision….”Your either for me, or against me” -Jesus
Report Post »staythecourse
Posted on October 24, 2010 at 11:52pmI’ve been very impressed with the work Voris is doing. He pulls no punches. His love and dedication for the Catholic Church is impressive and he is committed to reclaiming the Catholic faith from the path of social liberation, social justice and the green dragon. Catholics interested in restoring freedom and faith should check out his web site. And to Michael. thank you for all you do… for your courage in taking a stand. God bless you.
Report Post »westy98530
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 12:29am@Staythecourse. Michael Voris is as anti-american as they come. In this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EciZMULUKNs he argues that the only way to rightly govern a country is through benevolent dictatorship. Watch the video, then decide for yourself if he’s worthy of any respect whatsoever. Even as a Catholic, the man stops just short of being openly sedevacantist. Anyone who tries to be more Catholic than the Pope is clearly missing the big picture!
thepatriotdave
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 1:00amTo westy98530,
He is amazingly on the wrong track with his idea of the Catholic Church being the best to rule we mere mortals, but I doubt he means it in a literal sense. I don’t know much about him, it just seems difficult to think he means it (but then again). Even the vast majority of Catholics would be against his idea.
Report Post »On the other hand… if he is helping to weed out Marxists and Marxist doctrine from his Church and the Catholic religion, that tells me he’s NOT anti-American. I would go so far as to say that its very pro-American.
westy98530
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 1:12am@ Patriot Dave,
Report Post »We must remember that the enemy of enemy is not my friend. Let the left play that game. We’re better than that.
thepatriotdave
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 1:33amwesty98530,
His work weeding out Marxists is monumental and he should be applauded for it. As I explain at the bottom of this thread… he is taking action against Marxism. He is only vocalizing his wishes concerning his Church being top dog. His ‘actions’ are more important than his ‘wishes’.
Besides, I’m interested in keeping the left from playing at all, especially with ramming Marxism down our collective throats. Think Obamacare.
I see where you are coming from so I‘m not ’against’ you, I simply think his other work against Marxism is a huge deal.
Report Post »fight.the.good.fight
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 2:42amThis is a reply to the next post. He’s not saying a benevolent dictator like the Pope. IT’S ALMIGHTY GOD HIMSELF! On earth as it is in heaven. Governments and nations will always fall. “The laws of nature and natures God”as stated in the first paragraph of our declaration if Independence.
Report Post »fight.the.good.fight
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 2:54amreply to westy930 He’s not saying a benevolent dictator like the Pope. IT’S ALMIGHTY GOD HIMSELF! On earth as it is in heaven. Governments and nations will always fall. “The laws of nature and natures God”as stated in the first paragraph of our declaration if Independence,. Just pray.
Report Post »westy98530
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 3:11am@fight the good fight. Please, watch the video again. There’s no mistaking his beliefs. He’s not talking about God being the dictator, he is saying that a dictator is the best form of government. He starts out his argument by saying that certain people shouldn’t get to vote. There’s nothing unclear about it – he is anti-republic. Say what you want about how much you think that matters, but the fact is undeniable.
Report Post »Beak86
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 10:22amI have seen several of Mr. Voris’s videos. As a lifelong Catholic, I was thrilled to see someone taking on the cooperation with Marxists that has corrupted our Church. However, after watching this offering from Mr. Voris, (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EciZMULUKNs) I cannot go there with him. If this is his true belief, he is not aligned with the truth of Catholic teaching as I understand it.
Report Post »TruthTalker
Posted on October 24, 2010 at 11:45pmI have no comment on the Catholic church.
Report Post »snowleopard3200
Posted on October 24, 2010 at 11:56pmAs a chaplain, and an Adventist I will avoid saying more than this part – let the truth of facts speak out for themselves, when accusations are made then let all facts of all sides be presented into the light of truth and guidance from above and then dealt with in fact.
If any crimes are revealed, such as theft, fraud, sex assaults, etc. then let the law of the land it occured in investigate in civil courts and act accordingly.
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Report Post »Miami
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 12:51amSo why post at all…?
Report Post »AmericanPatriot01
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 2:19amI’m not catholic, but, I have a lot of freinds and neighbors that are. They tell me that these rogue individuals are even included in a special class of representitives of the church and are treated differently especially in the midwest. It’s as if each district has its own set of rules or regulations. Im not into all the politics of the church but then again that is why Im not a catholic.but I do hope they can reveal those that are using the church as cover to distort its true message.
I am a firm believer in small government. I want as little government as possible in between me and my freedom, just as I dont want religion to come between me and my God.
Report Post »EOS1911
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 2:34amwhat is it you are afraid of revealing, oh great one? any church is not faulted for the acts of its human followers! no im not catholicor of any faith,belief,or system.
Report Post »Quack Addict
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 7:54amCatholics aren’t Christians….they are a form of Mithraism. The Roman church baptized paganism in the centuries after Christ and Catholocism is what you get. The bread becomes the ‘actual’ body of Christ and the wine the ‘actual’ blood? Give me a break. Thank God for Martin Luther. May he rest in peace.
tradexpertbuysell
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 8:14amThe “Late Saul Alinsky” quoted in the article:
Did I miss something or is this a typo?
Report Post »swonga
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 9:19amAmen! I am a life long confirmed Catholic and we NEED an overhaul. I would give a lot more $ if I knew it would not be wasted by our diocese. My daughters have been Catholic schooled and it makes a difference. Our Diocese is so proud of their Catholic schools, even printing several articles a year in the Catholic Review, however they DO NOT support them fianancially. How absurd is it that our Faith has a chance to influence so many delicate lives and yet turns a blind eye when it comes to $.
Report Post »I have been to our POSH Diocese officies. I have seen POSH living quarters for the ordained. I know a Priest that wears a country club sweater and when asked about it states that not all orders of the priesthood take a vow of poverty. It is a shame. I can only hope these organizations can turn us around!!!!
Fort Mill Joe
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 10:07amI will pray for you, Quack Addict. May you understand the need for research and understanding… and the need to put the pipe down.
Report Post »WVRob
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 10:09amGood luck to them, they have a lot of work ahead of them. Hopefully they will turn to the Bible.
Report Post »ishka4me
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 10:19amI was born and raised catholic. Had to stop going because their politics from the sermon were against the teachings of Jesus. The priests also were so obviously femininely homosexual and just gave you a creepy feeling. The priests would mirror the extreme left progressive movement, such as earth day, kwanza, etc and now all the churches in new england are closing and they wonder why.
Report Post »wheelz0505
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 10:43amIn response to QUACKADDICT. (Another uneducated Catholic basher.) Such anger! As a Christian I find that it is very un-Christ like to bash any Christian because of their religion! We should be united in Christ regardless. God loves us no matter what our professed religion.
Report Post »I have a Question though. I’m curious. Where do you get your hateful info?! Wow!
WisOldMan
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 11:16am“I have no comment on the Catholic Church.”
What a foolish notion…a comment, that isn’t a comment.
This is where the dumbing-down begins…
…language.
Report Post »FIRED UP FREE MAN !
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 11:41amToday’s Daily Rant Brought to YOU by Fired Up Free Man !
Revolution is in the air! People are tired of the sterile environment enforced upon them by THEIR government. We’re taxed the minute we wake up in the morning till we fall exhausted into our beds at night. There should be no bill passed that doesn’t have the extinction of at least five more laws. The trouble with the drug laws is that as soon as government is given a reason to interfere in privet lives they feel free to insinuate themselves into all aspects of our lives. We are either free or we are NOT. A man’s home used to be his castle instead our politicians have interfered with our CHILDREN, our HOMES, even our PERSONAL lives, it’s time to WAKE UP and fight back! It’s unfortunate that people use drugs, but still it’s none of the governments business. Are we free or are we not? Everybody must be responsible for their own actions. There will be winners and losers but at least this way there are some winners.
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Report Post »DLG123
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 12:39pm@Quack Addict…
Report Post »Are you ignorent or do you just play one on the internet? You may not believe in the Real Presence of Jesus but John 6:32-70 is pretty clear. Do you belive in the authority of the New Testiment? This was compilled by the Catholic Church! the Trinity? No where in the Bible is it mentioned… Catholic Doctrine! Jesus was not a Christian he was a Jew! And I believe he commanded the Apostles to “Go and Baptize All Nations” not all nations except the pagan ones. By the way you know that Martin Luther as well Lutherans today believe in the Real Presence of the the Body and Blood of our Lord?
QUACK ADDICT is your real handle Dingelbags? Because you are or ya’ll are simple minded trolls
thepatriotdave
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 1:36pmTo tradexpertbuysell,
He (Alinsky) is dead, so what’s the question?
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Report Post »Ga. Tea Party
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 2:54pmI love Catholics and I am so glad to see them try to clean out their Church. I am myself a protestant and will never let any man tell me they have a better connection with God than I. My connection is through Gods only son Jesus and he said he was the only Mediator between God and man. I accept that therefore no Pope or priest or Pastor or any man who cannot die and bring himself back to life as did Jesus will do. So clean house Catholics. God I love America!
Report Post »ReaganerThanThou
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 2:58pmI’m sorry to say that I run into liberal Catholics all the time. They seem incredulous when I tell them I’m conservative – like, how could any educated person be right-wing? I usually tell these people that I am pro-life and that their own Church is as well.
You know how they respond? “Well, I’m not a one-issue voter.” I tell them that I’m not either.
Most of the liberal Catholics I know are pro-union and only care about their own bottom line.
Report Post »Robert W
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 9:32pmWatch Fr. John Corapi and learn.
Report Post »1TruthSeeker
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 10:21pmI do believe that the comments made by Quack Addict concerning the validity of the Roman Catholic Church are sooooo far off base as to be laughable. I would suggest that he pry himself free of his dark cave and read the writings of the Patristic Fathers. I do believe that afterwards he would be of a different mind set. Protestantism “cherry picked” the beliefs, teachings, and Scripture of the Catholic Church to “create” his own church reflecting his own view point. Besides, you had best not “bad mouth” the Catholic Church since it is the source and origin of the Holy Bible.
Report Post »vennoye
Posted on October 26, 2010 at 2:33amOK Quack Addict, I am going to take up for you…….but you knew you were throwing a bomb when you just tossed information out that way. So here goes…..in 325 AD when Constantine decided that Christanity was going to be the official religion of Rome, to solidity the Roman Empire, he blended some of the rituals of sun god (Mithra) worship (which he and a lot of the Roman people practiced)with Christanity and we still have some of those same “Traditions of Man” in Christianity today. Google Mithra or Mithraism and you can find lots of information. Richard Rives has two books on this, one is “Too Long in the Sun” and the other is “Time is the Ally of Deceit”. The rest of the blending can be found if you will Google “The Council of Laodicea” and read the canons of the Catholic Council…and you will see why Christianity goes to church on the first day of the week instead of the seventh day of the week, why Christianity does not keep feast days, etc. But if you have ever read Revelation, you know that God was not too impressed with the Church of Laodicea!! The best thing you can do is read and study your Bible starting with Genesis 1:1, after it is your relationship with your creator…and we could all have 100 Bibles each if we wanted to….just read and study for yourself, don’t accept what somebody else tells you….remember Faith in God, not faith in another man’s intereptation–make sure you study for yourself–maybe this will help make the differences in what the Bible says and what Christianity does more clear.
Report Post »BigMuddy
Posted on October 26, 2010 at 8:12pmHey Quack: Martin Luther believed in transubstantiation (the conversion of bread and wine to body and blood of Christ) and devotion to Mary. Those weren’t issues that Luther disbuted with the Church.
Report Post »TakeBackAmerica
Posted on October 27, 2010 at 10:02pmIn hindsight, this first post was spot on!
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