Film Claims To Have Found Nails From Cross of Jesus
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Filmmaker Simcha Jacobovici examines what he calls the "lost tomb" of Jesus for a different documentary.
Much attention has been given to Jesus’s grave, and even his tunic. But not many people have focused on the actual nails that held him to the cross. Until now.
A new film called “The Nails of the Cross” claims to have located two of the nails used in Jesus’s crucifixion in a 2,000-year-old tomb in Jerusalem. But despite filmmaker Simcha Jacobovici’s claim, not everyone’s buying it.
Reuters reports:
The film follows three years of research during which Jacobovici presents his assertions — some based on empirical data, others requiring much imagination and a leap of faith.
He hails the find as historic, but most experts and scholars contacted by Reuters dismissed his case as far-fetched, some calling it a publicity stunt.
Many ancient relics, including other nails supposedly traced back to the crucifixion, have been presented over the centuries as having a connection to Jesus. Many were deemed phony, while others were embraced as holy.
Jacobovici, who sparked debate with a previous film that claimed to reveal the lost tomb of Jesus, says this find differs from others because of its historical and archaeological context.
“What we are bringing to the world is the best archaeological argument ever made that two of the nails from the crucifixion of Jesus have been found,” Jacobovici told Reuters. Still, despite a the “best” argument, he admits that he can’t say for sure they are the real deal.
“Do I know 100 percent yes, these are them? I don’t.”
Jacobovici’s other controversial film, “The Lost Tomb of Jesus,” suggested his team had found Jesus’s tomb:
His new film also centers around a tomb — the supposed tomb of the High Priest Caiaphas. Nails found there, Jacobovici says, could have been “the” nails.
“If you look at the whole story, historical, textual, archaeological, they all seem to point at these two nails being involved in a crucifixion,” he explained to Reuters. “And since Caiaphas is only associated with Jesus’s crucifixion, you put two and two together and they seem to imply that these are the nails.”
The Israel Antiquities Authority, which oversaw the tomb’s excavation, doubts it.
“There is no doubt that the talented director Simcha Jacobovici created an interesting film with a real archaeological find at its center, but the interpretation presented in it has no basis in archaeological findings or research,” it told the news agency.
This story has been updated.
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Comments (188)
DUGinFLA
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 12:30pmSomeone may have already written this in a previous post, but the only thing that brings up my “?” is that the latest posts from that website are from 2008. Uh…..let’s stay current….?
Now, if it were true, how wild would that be considering current events? I don’t know, I need to see or read something more here. Ciao!
Report Post »Stevsea
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 12:28pmThe Blaze needs a proof reader. Honestly.
Report Post »santramir
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 12:26pmno jewish media could ever distort the Christ true legacy: love, the most excellent of all virtues. it became a routine, that every passion week and every christmas the jewish media machinery starts their battle against the Christ love, the Christian faith and the Christian hope. No National Geographic, no History Channel, no MTV, no news show can even tickle the truth Jesus was ridiculized, mocked, tortured and crucified for.
Report Post »ED4237
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 12:20pmYeah don’t think so.. they are long since rotted away..He could look all he wants to finding things and making these claims but common.Look just like railroad ties that ended up there thats all. Did the Knights Templer steal all kinds of artifacts from the city way back when the crusades went on. Did not they look for these kinds of relics and many have just simp0ly been lost to time.
Report Post »teddrunk
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 12:16pmWhy concentrate on His crucifixion? Like the angel told them, Our Lord Jesus Christ is Risen.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 12:26pmRight again Ted.
Report Post »clockwatcher
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 12:14pmMorons, we all know the Romans at that time period they use superglue.
Report Post »red_white_blue2
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 12:10pmIf they are real-I hold them in reverence, if they are not-I don’t fault him unless he is knowing decieving people. Yes, the length nails used to hold Jesus were the length of railroad ties. They would have to be to sustain his weight–let that dwell in your mind of a human being enduring that kind of torture.
Report Post »AmericanHorse
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 12:09pmWalk around nay railroad tracks and you’ll find a bunch of those. Morons
Report Post »Antilib
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 5:03pm@ AmericanHorse
Report Post »Before you decide to call other people morons, maybe you should take the time to discover that those are stock photos.
Zer0
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 12:08pmOh c’mon!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is ridiculous to even post this story! How many have claimed, how many times, to have discovered the remnance of the Crucifixion of Christ? What about those metal tablets that were proclaimed long lost Gospels, later discovered to be fraudulent? We are in perhaps the most troubling times in this world’s history since World War II, and yet The Blaze keeps posting stories of UFO’s, Charlie Sheen, and ancient (unconfirmed/highly speculative) biblical relics?
Here’s a tip Blaze, why don’t you wait to publish articles on Jewish and Christian “artifacts” being “discovered”, when there is irrefutable proof that they are in fact artifacts? Perhaps, you’re of the many gullible tourists who travel to the Middle East who wind up purchasing “ancient artifacts” for $50 in the local bazaars?
Sorry, had to get that off my chest.
Report Post »vermindust
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 12:18pmSomewhere in this cloud of discovered forgeries is going to one real find, and no one will believe it.
Report Post »POIPNE
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 11:56amGood point ZERO. If you have faith, you don’t need artifacts to prove it. If you don’t have faith, no amount of artifacts is going to change your mind. Until someone invents a time machine we’re stuck with what we believe to be true.
Report Post »BetterDays
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 12:06pmSeems like every week we read or hear of “exciting new Biblical discoveries” of late. This tale, the “books” found in Lebenon, and I’m sure there will be more. I doubt that if the nails that held my Lord and Savior still exist would be found in Caiaphas’s tomb. I’m quite skeptical about this, the ashuary that was discovered was later proved to be a fake.
Report Post »I do find it interesting however, the proliferation of stories like these in reference to the times in which we live. People are looking for something to believe in as everything they had relied upon crumbles around them. Quite clearly we live in an evangelists dream time, and both sides are out gathering mankind in full force.
live life for Jesus today, as tomorrow may be to late.
Oathkeeper1775
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 12:04pmThe story of Thomas is a good one too; somewhere along the lines of
being blessed for believing without seeing………
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 12:03pm“Why do you search among the dead for Him who is living?”
Report Post »nacilbuper
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 12:03pmDied for your sins…
Report Post »paulusmaximus
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 12:01pmThe two Brits already fudged global warming, This yahoo had to do something to get attention!
Report Post »Tradman
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 12:00pmRailroad Spikes. I was thinking the same thing.
Also, it’s getting a bit out of hand how many missspellings their are hear everiday. (pun intended).
Report Post »Zer0
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 12:11pm^Epic Lulz! (too true)
Report Post »vermindust
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 12:11pmThe spikes pictured are just stock photos used ’cause every article needs a photograph. Not supposed to be the actual (and probably fake) artifacts in question.
Report Post »Deane
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 11:59amJust so everyone knows…Jesus’ tomb was donated by Joseph of Aremethia…what would these 2 nails be doing in Caiaphas’s
Report Post »obama_binpharteen
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 11:55am“crucifixion in a 2,00-year-old tomb in Jerusalem”
I think they mean crucifixion in a 2000-year-old tomb in Jerusalem.
Report Post »Who’s writing this stuff, a 1st grader???
vermindust
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 12:05pmI’d be suprized it the tomb was even 0,020 years old. Still, my alchemy set is running low on pieces of the true cross, so i should put in a bid now on the nails.
Report Post »AmbroseTurdside
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 11:55amare those “nine inch nails?”
Report Post »Zer0
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 12:09pm^Lulz!
Report Post »Commander and Thief
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 11:55amwow…just wow
Report Post »TexasCommonSense
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 11:52amThe picture on the main page looks like railroad spikes to me.
Report Post »CNCFan
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 4:40pmSpend a lot of time in my youth spending summers at my grandparents ranch in southern Arizona near I10 and the railroad. Found many spikes that looked just like the ones in the picture. Same shape of head and beveled end.
Report Post »inexiletill2012
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 11:49am“Much attention has been given to Jusus’s grave,”
The Correct spelling is…..JESUS
Report Post »Pita000
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 12:49pmDid it ever accure to you that JESUS is a latin name? And why do we instist on pronouncing the word JEEZUS (sic,phonetics) instead of the latin way.
Report Post »inexiletill2012
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 2:38pm…..PITA000……
………………occur
Report Post »GODSAMERICA
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 12:21am@Pita000
Report Post »“Did it ever accure to you that JESUS is a latin name? And why do we instist on pronouncing the word JEEZUS (sic,phonetics) instead of the latin way”
Actually the name Jesus is a western name. The latin name is: Iesous which was then translated into the western Jesus. As for the second question, the reason that it is not pronounced the latin way is because he was not latin. He was 100% Hebrew/Jewish and his Hebrew name was Y‘hoshua but to separate it from all the other Y’hosua‘s he is called Yeshua or Y’shua. The latin name was the closest translation of his Hebrew name into latin was Iesous and then into Jesus.
TheGoverness
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 11:49amyeahhhhhhhhhhhhh, not so much.
Report Post »ByrdDogX
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 11:49amIts Jesus – not Jusus.
Report Post »vermindust
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 12:09pmIt was Yeshua, which if translated from Aramaic into English without a meandering route through Greek, would be “Joshua”, but I’ll stick with Jesus. But not Jusus, Jeebus or Infidel Prophet.
Report Post »GODSAMERICA
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 12:52pm@vermindust
You are correct about his “Hebrew” name being Yeshua, however, Yeshua is a western transliteration of his actual name which was J’hoshua (there were no vowels in the Hebrew language) which again you are correct because that is a western transliteration into Joshua. In the video, when the “genius” is reading from the ashuary it would NOT have said Yeshua it would have read J‘hoshua if was really Yeshua’s or Jesus’ tomb.
@BIGJAYINPA
Report Post »I figure that anyone that has or would have bought a piece of the “true cross” has also bought a few bridges too, such as the golden gate bridge. Considering that contrary to popular belief, Jesus was not crucified on a cross. He was crucified in a tree. The actual literal translation of the word “cross” in the Bible is actually translated as “crosspiece”. They used a beam that weighed about 80 or so pounds where the person’s wrists (he actually wasn’t nailed in His hands either, the nails were nailed through the wrists just above the hands so that no bones were broken since it is IMPOSSIBLE to put the size of nails used without breaking bones). That is how He was able to be a pure “unbroken” sacrifice for our sins. After that the crosspiece was nailed into the tree. I am not saying anything that is against what you are saying because, if I read your post correctly, you were being somewhat sarcastic about “true cross”.
DTOM_Jericho
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 2:24pm@godsamerica
what you have stated (below) is not true. the same EXACT word is also used in the “OT” and the Greek version is translated correctly. English it is transliterated correctly as Yeshua. Translation is not Joshua (Yehoshua), translation is Salvation. “And His Name shall be Salvation”
“You are correct about his “Hebrew” name being Yeshua, however, Yeshua is a western transliteration of his actual name which was J’hoshua (there were no vowels in the Hebrew language) which again you are correct because that is a western transliteration into Joshua. In the video, when the “genius” is reading from the ashuary it would NOT have said Yeshua it would have read J‘hoshua if was really Yeshua’s or Jesus’ tomb.”
Report Post »GODSAMERICA
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 12:12am@DTOM_Jericho
Report Post »I hate to disappoint you but his actual name is Y’hoshua (sorry I put the J in previously but there are no J’s in the Hebrew language) and the true and EXACT meaning of the it is “God is Salvation”.
GODSAMERICA
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 12:23am@DTOM_Jericho
Report Post »Here is something more: “It is most proper to call Him Yeshua; only in Hebrew does this name have any meaning. In Hebrew Yeshua means both “Salvation,” and the concatenated form of Yahoshua, is “Lord who is Salvation.“ The name Jesus has no intrinsic meaning in English whatsoever”
Its Gonna Getcha
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 11:49amMaybe it is. Maybe it isn’t.
Report Post »Robert-CA
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 11:58amExactly , I won’t let my faith get busy with material items .
Report Post »rt elms
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 12:27pmJacobovici can be entertaining at times. His work on Mt. Sinai was worth watching, but he has missed the mark on this one.
Report Post »Down2TheC
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 2:10pmThat is a bit of a leap. Not the first crucifixion nails found. Romans did a lot of that.
Report Post »“Save me Jebus!”
Islesfordian
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 6:56pm“And since Caiaphas is only associated with Jesus’s crucifixion, you put two and two together and they seem to imply that these are the nails.”
This is the stupidest excuse for reasoning I have seen in some time. Caiaphas is only asociated with Jesus’ crucifixion because he was instrumental in getting Jesus crucified. To think the nails would ever logically be put in his tomb is idiotic. It’s not like Caiaphas wopuld want them as mementos of his trial of Jesus.
Only a worshipper of Jesus would want THOSE nails.
Report Post »weeblewacker1
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 10:18amhmmm,love the look for the dna on the nails and compare it to the shroud of turin post!! last time i looked the shroud was make in the middle ages proven by carbon dating and other means.
Report Post »Bluebonnet
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 12:08pmI can guarantee you, they did not have or use railroad spikes in Jesus’ day. What a farce!
Report Post »NSDQ
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 11:46amwho is Jusus?
Report Post »Mee the People
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 11:49amdidnt know they used rail road spikes back then
Report Post »banjarmon
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 11:58amI bet the nails were recycled for hundreds of people that were crucified, not just for Jesus…
Report Post »theonefromabove
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 11:58amSounds like someone looking for attention.
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Report Post »louise
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 11:59amNSDQ…
Report Post »Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God, who died, was buried, and rose again on the third day so that we, too, may also rise .
BIGJAYINPA
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 12:04pmAnd here I thought the search for “Holy Relics” had ended with Raiders. Next you‘ll be telling us that George Soros is in possessian of the Holy Spear that pierced Jusus’ side and has lead all great conquering Armies in history. How about a fragment of the “True Cross”. I belive I read somewhere that if you assembled all of the pieces of the “True Cross” that sucker would have been a Redwood. I belive in God, I belive in Jesus Christ. I don’t need talismans to confirm my faith. I Pray every day for the Lord to either guide this country or smite it..His call if we are worthy of saving.
Report Post »Tipdog
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 12:11pmJust a dude who died 2,00 years ago, like during the Civil War or something. Jeeze.
bassist237
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 12:12pmNSDQ was referring to the grammatical error in the first sentence of this story…… That appeared to have corrected itself as I was typing this…. I saw it too NSDQ.
Report Post »Tipdog
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 12:18pmI saw it too, didn’t you see the part that said the tomb was “2,00″ year sold? lol. I think that two-hundred years…. right?
Report Post »sissykatz
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 12:24pmAt least they are not contradicting that Christ Exists. That is a very positive thing.
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 12:25pmIt is not a matter of physical proof in the death and resurrection of Jesus on the cross. What matters is that He is the Son of God, raised by the Father on the dawn of the third day, and that he is the saviour for all who will belive in him, accept him and follow him.
Faith is the part of our being made up of belief, trust and hope; believing in something not seen and trust building as the unseen reshapes our lives and those about us. The hope is the continued trust and confidence in the promises revealed in our lives as made by God in the Bible.
Report Post »audaxrex
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 12:26pmJusus was a little-known Armenian stirrup-polisher sometimes mistaken for the Word made flesh.
Report Post »NSDQ
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 12:28pm@Bassist237 Exactly, I know who Jesus is, was being sarcastic in ref to the spelling flub
Report Post »DocH
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 12:38pmI’ll pray for you. At least you should stand by the cross for a minute. Then you’d know.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 12:45pmNSDQ wrote: who is Jusus?
You know, no jusus, no peace?
Just kidding, I know you were referring to the original typo.
Report Post »Pita000
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 12:46pmWhat a pant load!
Report Post »douglassoileau
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 12:46pmAmazing after thousand of years, someone finally decide to pick up the nails………..Stupid with a capital SSSSSSSS
Report Post »Zer0
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 12:54pmPerhaps Monty Python could get together and make a documentary and title it, “Life of Jusus”!
Report Post »aquillanobile
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 12:56pmJesus is the son of God. Jesus is the man that sacrificed his life to save you and me from the sins we regularly commit on this Earth. That is, if you repent your sins to God through Christ and the Holy Spirit.
Report Post »aquillanobile
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 12:59pmHAHA…I didn’t catch that. JUSUS!!!!
Report Post »delhoghe
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 1:00pmSISSY…..I see it that way too. Especially considering that Simcha practices Orthodox Judaism. I‘ve seen quite a few of his shows and I’ve never heard him say anything bad about Jesus. I think he’s about one step away from becoming a Christian.
Report Post »Sgt.Crust
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 1:04pmThese could be from the time of Jesus (note the spelling NSDQ, you moron), and I guess all those who question nails in those times have never cracked a history book and show your ignorance and stupidity…good luck in life, as your lack of intelligence shows!
Report Post »dthomps6
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 1:07pm@banjarmon
Report Post »Actually, most of the time they didn’t reuse nails. Most of the time they were sold to people as talismans (as disgusting as that sounds today).
watchtheotherhand
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 1:36pm1st off NSDQ was not knocking Jesus he was making an observation about how the story spelled it and then later corrected it after his comment posted.
Second, we do not need any “artifacts” from that time as we have the word and the accounts therein of the resurrected Jesus. He himself said no sign would be given to a wicked generation except the sign of Jonah which alludes to the gospel of repentance that Jonah preached to Nineveh.
Conjecture, speculation, and suppositions do little but stir up more cynicism and mockery. Let’s not add fuel to the fire unless necessary. If facts and evidence are presented then so be it, but speculation should remain in the realm of just that opinion and nothing more.
Report Post »Obama Snake Oil Co
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 1:46pmSimple solution, take the nails old dna off and compare it with the Shroud of Turin…there is blood on the shroud, where the nail holes bled…
Report Post »Tipdog
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 1:58pm@Sgt.Crust It read Jusus earlier.
Report Post »SpunkyGal
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 2:15pm@NSDQ
Report Post »It doesn’t appear that sarcasm is universally recognized. From now on, you MUST be very literal to avoid diatribes. That is all.
DTOM_Jericho
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 2:19pmPhysical proof? LOL! People can’t even get His Name right.
What people do to His Name is the equivalent of having an immigrant (legal) named Pedro come to America and refusing to call him Pedro and insist on calling him Peter because it sounds more appealing to our ears. But even that is not a good enough. You would have to tell Pedro he needs to change to Greak, then German, then Latin then English and pick bits and pieces and become Petrosvonum.
It’s ironic that a huge insult in American culture is to purposely call someone by the wrong name and yet that is what you do everyday. When you are presented with, “but His real name means Salvation and ‘Jesus’ is vegetable soup and has NO meaning at all”; you’ll come back with some glib response like, “it means something to me”. Great, ‘cept I don’t worship you but I guess His name is mud.
Oh yeah, before someone comes back with the glib, “stop making His Name such a big deal”… YES! EXACTLY! Stop making the ‘jesus’ moniker an idol and call on Him by His Name. Barukh Ha Shem Yeshua. (Bless/Praise The Name Yeshua)
Report Post »SpunkyGal
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 2:22pmObama Snake Oil Co
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 1:46pm
Simple solution, take the nails old dna off and compare it with the Shroud of Turin…there is blood on the shroud, where the nail holes bled…
Problem with that solution is that the Shroud of Turin has been disproven. Better solution: Don’t care. Faith in Christ has nothing to do with nail, shrouds, cups, etc.
Report Post »DTOM_Jericho
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 2:27pmObama Snake Oil Co
The shroud is not the garment and never could be. All you have to do is read The Scriptures. Strips of cloth were used and a SEPARATE cloth for the the head. Please doubt me. PLEASE do you own research. OPEN THE BOOK. Wow.
Report Post »sleazyhippo
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 2:29pmI grew up in a railroad town, we had a bunch of those spikes in the basement coal bin in our house. Some of them might still be there!
Report Post »ihveit
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 2:39pmROFL @methepeople…
i was fixing to say the same thing
Report Post »will
nptden
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 2:56pmHOLLYWOOD….da da da….HOLLYWOOD.
Report Post »imreddog
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 3:58pmThis one of the “more stupid” things that people are claiming nowadays. You’d have to be an idiot to give this any credence.
Report Post »avenger
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 4:21pmjesus is the dude that will be looking at your sorry azs as it disappears into eternity…
Report Post »I Love Section 8 Housing
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 4:45pmJesus was a liberal and did not worship money.
He was a carpenter born and raised in a time when there was a widely known prophesy that the son of God would rise up. He was one of many sons of God trying to lay claim to the title. In his life he had about a dozen followers who were afraid to admit it when he was crucified. None of the magical stuff was added to his story until later. In his day, he was simply a philosopher amongst philosophers. But he won the prophecy lottery because he’s the one we all know about. But he was just a man. A liberal, dark skinned, spread the wealth around man.
Report Post »I Love Section 8 Housing
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 4:47pmyou can’t be christian and conservative. they don’t go together. most of you are just hypocrites.
Report Post »Da Kingfish
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 5:24pmDon’t worry, you will never know!
Report Post »Czar Casm
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 5:28pm@NSDQ
You can get chewed up and spit out on this site over a little misunderstanding. Hence my user name. Sometimes you have to spell it out. Sheesh.
Report Post »Czar Casm
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 5:37pmsleazyhippo says his family curcified people in the basement of their home at a railroad town!!!
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 5:59pm@section8
I hope you are not insinuating that liberal democrats are good Christians. You’re not, right?
Report Post »watchtheotherhand
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 9:27pm@ SECTION * HOUSING………you are so blatantly wrong in so many ways and statement I wouldn’t even know where to begin addressing all of your errors. Then again I doubt it would matter at all anyway. Anyone that is making such uninformed statements as you with absolutely no regard for facts is not interested in the truth only what they choose to believe what fits their world view. Intellectual honesty is a truly rare commodity these days. The only solace I have is knowing that even the most ardent atheist knows how wrong the statements you have made really are historically.
Report Post »I Love Section 8 Housing
Posted on April 12, 2011 at 11:09pmI’m not saying yay or nay about democrats. I‘m just saying that Jesus had liberal ideas and didn’t worship money.
And who said I I don‘t believe in God just because I don’t think Jesus was his magic son? True, I’m not a scholar on his life but I know that what I said about the prophecy and the other would be prophets is supported by independent writings from the time period. the gospels were not written down for decades and sometimes centuries after Jesus died. The four gospels in the Bible were hand picked by Constantine. There are many other gospels written during that time and potentially earlier that should be considered just as relevant. You can‘t just discredit a gospel while embracing another just because one of them says something that’s not your idea of Jesus. I believe Jesus existed. And I believe in God. I just don’t believe that Jesus was the son of God any more than you or I. There was once an early sect of Christianity that believed this also but they were persecuted into non-existence. The story of Jesus contains elements culled from earlier religious texts referring to other Jesus-like figures. This is historically verifiable. I, too, once found it way to taboo and sacrilegious to even consider these things. I don’t anymore. That doesn’t automatically make me an atheist.
Report Post »Anti_Spock
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 12:07amOne sure fire way to find out: Toss the nails up into the air and listen as they hit the ground. If they make a sound like, “Jay Cee” then the answer is yes. But if they sound like this; “Ping Chik” they are fakes imported from China.
Report Post »Dale
Posted on April 13, 2011 at 12:51amRest assured, NSDQ, He knows you.
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