Fire Chief Ticketed at Accident Scene for Refusing to Move Emergency Vehicle
- Posted on February 1, 2011 at 5:54pm by
Jonathon M. Seidl
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Those who are easily upset by stories of government ineptitude should click away from this story now.
North Merrick, NY Fire Chief James Allen has been serving the city for 20 years. He’s seen a lot in his life, but never has he seen anything like this. While responding to a crash on a major NY freeway last week, while using his official fire department vehicle, he was given a ticket by a state trooper for blocking a lane of traffic. No joke:
WPIX reports:
Responding to a crash on the Meadowbrook Parkway Wednesday morning, Allen was given a ticket for blocking the right lane of traffic with his department SUV.
“He stopped me from going to take care of the patient and asked me for license and registration,” Allen told PIX 11 News. ” I immediately gave him my license out of my pocket went and took care of the patient.”
The woman in this car was seriously injured. Her vehicle was in the center lane of the parkway, the same lane the trooper stopped in.
“There was no reason for anyone to be coming on either side of us, the conditions were too dangerous,” said Allen.
Ironically, a new law was recently passed to protect emergency responders, requiring motorists to move over one lane when they see flashing lights.
“It was one of his fellow troopers that got killed and that’s what the law was made for,” said Allen.
So far, state police aren’t backing off, Allen is due in court next month, and it will be up to a judge to decide who made the right call.
“It wasn’t safe,” Allen further explained to the Merrick Patch. “The weather this morning wasn’t good and cars were slipping and sliding all over the place. I had a victim and I was trying to make it as safe as possible. I have to keep my guys safe too.” Pictures from the accident scene confirm bad road conditions:
A photo from the accident. (Mark V./Merrick Patch)
Still, Allen said the trooper threatened to have him arrested at one point if he didn’t move his vehicle. But apparently cooler heads prevailed and the trooper went with the much more reasoned citation.
It gets better, though. According to a trooper spokesman, the admitted reason for insisting the emergency vehicle move was to avoid a bad traffic situation.
Yes, you did just read that an official emergency vehicle was ticked while responding to a crash with serious injuries because the trooper didn’t want bad traffic. And now, taxpayers have to pay for the two to fight it out in court.
I told you you should have clicked away.
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Comments (181)
mossbrain
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 6:45pmNo matterr what we post here it’s not going to be as funny as what they might be saying at the local fire station and police station.
Report Post »TheRealElvis
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 6:39pmThis is the kind of stupidity and nonsense that is going to bring America down.
Report Post »Everybody should email, write, and in any way communicate your dislike of this action to the
“powers to be”.
beckwill
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 6:39pmPerfect example of the lack of REASON permeating the nation. While I fully support and respect fine upstanding officers of the law, I do take issue with the ones who fail to use the brains the good Lord gave them (reason) and instead chose to flaunt their authority.
Report Post »banjarmon
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 6:39pmWith my training a a firefighter, the authority of the fire chief supersedes all other emergency responders. There is only one in charge and He is IT.
Report Post »troyvar
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 8:15pmThe fire chief has firsties, the only person who could possibly have a higher pecking order (and was not there) in this situation would be a postmaster.
Report Post »VanGrungy
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 6:39pmBillable hours…
That’s what the road rat cop just did… he perpetuated the system paid for by tax payers…
It’s that simple
Report Post »RightPolitically
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 6:35pmUnless their are unreported issues for which the trooper issued the ticket, fire the dumb-arse State Trooper for doing this!
Report Post »2smart
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 6:34pmWhere is common sense? Obviously they have a tax on it in NY because everybody is afraid to use any.
Report Post »BruceB
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 6:33pmThe only reason he gave the guy the ticket is because he is white, had the chief been black, no ticket The police acted stupidly.
Report Post »id-look-fat-in-a-burka
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 6:30pmOne of the many reasons I don’t live in….or admit to being a New Yorker anymore. The whole state and the way it’s run is a bunch of Bull Poop!!
Report Post »Sledgehammer
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 6:26pmIt’s called doody box mentality, and some bodies box is full!
Report Post »SlimnRanger
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 6:23pmSounds par for course to me,my buddy and i were driving thru New York on Insterstate 90 when a highwway trooper pulled out right in front of us from the medium out of the trees,my buddy was driving and slammed on his brakes to keep from hitting the trooper, The trooper was giving chase to a motorist but dern near caused a major wreck himself, bad thing is the trooper didn’t have his lights on till he got going on the insterstate
Report Post »aamador
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 6:16pmGive me a break! what in God’s name is going on.
Report Post »TennesseeConservative
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 8:11pmGood question!!
Report Post »wash1776
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 6:15pmThis is really stupid. I was an EMT for 7 years and whenever a cop came on the scene, his first concern was for the safety of the venicle(s) in the accident and the medical help on the scene. This cop needs a lesson in humanity. It is sad how a badge can make someone so egotistical that they don’t care about anything but their own authority. On some of my runs, the officer put himself in danger to keep my crew and the accident victim(s) safe.
Report Post »docgreen
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 6:44pm@docgreen
Report Post »Wash1776, have you ever stuck your head out the window of a crash, and find out theres a car a foot away from your head, driving by? It was SP unit and they didn’t want to close the road. Why; ten times more paperwork. We had a nice conversation at the hospital Oh, and the person in the accident, Santa Claus, if I remember right he had been the Santa, for the Macy’s day parade. He was from Wisc. Kind of cool!
docgreen
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 6:58pmAll Paramedics, Emt’s and Fire personel, know Scene Safety is priority! Thats why we enquire about wind direction, number of vehicles, types of vehicles, patient #’s and everything else! You can also tell how bad an accident is, by the tone in the dispatchers voice! It may seem simple stuff, but alot goes into it! You sometimes hear about people being thrown from cars, well when its night time and dark out, people in accidents don’t allways stay inside the vehicles. Sometimes there thrown, somtimes head injuries, and somtimes because there children and small! Knowing what your going to is half the battle. If the tone in the dispatchers voice is serious you call in Life Flight, all to reduce the minutes on scene! Golden Hour!
Report Post »Offone
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 6:14pmNO COMMON SENSE! Totaly gone in todays world.
Report Post »joek
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 6:53pmMore common sense and fewer laws! And stay out of NY!
Report Post »streetconcepts
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 6:12pmIt seems the trooper had a corn cob up his a** and was looking for someone to take it out on!
Report Post »TonyDarrington
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 6:11pmIt is the Fire Chief’s scene. He is the ranking officer, and his agency is the initial lead agency in a motor vehicle crash. The Chief tells the trooper where the traffic should go. You give these guys blue polyester pants, a gun and a Crown Vic, and they think they are the kings of the world. I admire the job troopers do, but some of them let a little authority go to their heads.
Report Post »docgreen
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 6:25pmNext time the Fire Chief needs to pull the Big Rig in and shut everything down! See what SP says then!
Report Post »912828Buckeye
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 7:01pm@ tony …..Thats the way I always learned it.
Report Post »Showtime
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 7:02pmEXACTLY!!! Their vehicles are the most easily seen, and that is the reason they are dispatched (unless, of course, there’s a fire, in which case they do both). But he is the ranking officer. The trooper needs to go back to law enforcement school.
Report Post »8jrts
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 8:12pmProbably a rookie that felt he had something to prove.
Report Post »I’ve seen the big red trucks come down between the lanes, and if you hadn’t moved your car, they move it out of the way for you…tough cookies…it’s fun to watch the dumb a$$es who had left their cars unattended in the lane to go rubberneck at the accident, come back and find their cars mangled and pushed off the side of the road.
docgreen
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 6:11pmYou can clearly see a tow truck, and another vehicle in the right lane! Is it me or people just Fing off the deep end?
Report Post »waggie
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 8:22pmI vote for off the deep end.
Report Post »Showtime
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 6:09pmYou can’t fix stupid.
The fire department is dispatched for traffic control. Rescue is dispatched for medically-related attention and extrication (cutting a car to get people out). The state police are dispatched for investigation of an accident on a state road.
Report Post »TennesseeConservative
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 8:09pmJust arrogant pride. What a dumbass.
Report Post »WAR PIGS CRAWLING
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 6:08pmThe side of an ice covered highway is not the place for a piss’n match.
Report Post »RSHLUVER
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 6:06pmOnly in New York :)
Report Post »FFFPE
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 8:24pmNot necessarily just in New York. In Maryland (another nanny state), we had an assistant fire chief that refused to move a fire department vehicle on a crash scene and he ended up with the silver bracelets on. This was a few years back but it did happen. MSP and the FD higher ups got together and worked out a MOU that the fire department has control until the incident is over. Not all cops are bad IMO and my experience with them as a firefighter has always been great. I guess I was lucky enough to work with the good ones.
Report Post »JUSTSAYIN
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 6:06pmNeeded the lane clear,,, Trooper was right, cause I’m sure the “hot now” sign was about to light up at the krispy kreme,,, I just hope that trooper or his brothers don’t get in a wreck or get shot, and call for emergency paramedics,,,, might have “car trouble” on the way to help them…. know what I mean vern? reap what you sow in the same field you sow it in,,, enjoy
Report Post »TennesseeConservative
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 8:07pmThats right!! What a dumbass.
Report Post »Joe Camel
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 6:06pmSomething is not right about this story…Information is probably missing here, so I hold my thoughts till all the facts are out.
Report Post »docgreen
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 6:21pmHit the link and it does tell you more! Just look at where his vehicle is. You can clearly see he wasn’t in the way. On the Left you see a car driving by, so the road wasn’t closed. On the right you can see a tow truck, and another vehicle also. Even if he moved there were other cars in the way!
Sometimes in fatal accidents, we would park like that to block the scene. What gets me is the SP taking him away from his work and asking for his liscence! If anything the SP should have pulled him aside after the patient or patient’s were loaded up and on there way! Not like he did! Last, if he really wanted it moved he could have moved it himself!….
Report Post »Thighmaster
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 6:33pmYou have no idea, I’ve been there, seen it happen and more. Whistle blowers get into trouble. nuff said
Report Post »firstlast
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 6:52pm@JOE CAMEL. lol…you’re in violation of the no-critical-thinking clause on this website
Report Post »docgreen
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 6:05pmWTF, this World is Fing falling apart!….. Coming from the EMS field, I have been in many a situations like this! Never once getting a ticket! I do know, the SP(state patrol) hates to shut down major interstates, because of paper work! If you notice his vehicle is sitting back from the crash! This is protection from cars hitting the accident scene! We allways did this! Cops do it all the time to protect them! What is this world coming to? This SP officer needs a leave for a few days!….
Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 6:27pmBased on the way you describe what happened from pesonal experience at accident scenes, then I feel this trooper needs to be checked out for reassignment or termination of his services with the state police.
Report Post »912828Buckeye
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 6:50pmAgreed…… A drug test may be in order.
Report Post »bread and circuses
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 8:07pmLOL, this is probably the same state cop who will enforce o-bow-ma’s martial law
Report Post »waggie
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 8:19pmA brain check may be in order too.
Report Post »Lt_Taz
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 8:31pmIf this was my scene, I would have keyed my mike and asked dispatch to have the officers shift commander/supervisor respond to the scene. The patrolman in question would have waited till I had finished patient cares before I would comply with his request, as the patient is always primary concern. In my state fire rescue is incharge of all scenes.
Report Post »Margaret Thatcher
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 6:05pmThe insanity continues to grow. I’m jumping on the next comet passing by. I’m losing hope on this rock.
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 6:22pmI am not going to give up, yet hold a reservation open for me on that comet as well; I just might change my mind soon.
Report Post »DashRipRock
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 6:34pmForget the comets
Ive started taking long drives out in the country
with a big sign on top of my truck that says
Take Me with You
in seven different off world languages
Report Post »DashRipRock
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 6:02pmAt least he wasnt eating cupcakes
then that would be bad
Report Post »cheezwhiz
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 6:05pmSeems more like a p1$$ing match between 2 agencies
Report Post »TruthTalker
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 6:07pmI’m going to side with the Fire Chief on this one.
Report Post »Edgar Bennet
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 6:16pmGoes back to turn of the century times when rival fire troops would argue over who’s jurisdiction the fire was in while the blaze continued
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 6:19pmOnce again the inepnest of government agencies is indeed demonstrated for everyone to see.
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 6:21pmForgot to add that in AZ we also have a version of this law; my dad got caught up in a accident, and when he failed to clear the lane for emergency vehicles – other cars were not moving to the front and sides of him, the officer ticketed him for failure to comply with the ordinances.
Report Post »Rogue
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 6:22pmhmm. No ticket on the vehicle involved in the crash? Definitely creating a hazard by parking there…. How about the ambulance parked in the right-hand lane? I also doubt it is legal for people, like the rescuers, to be walking out in the lanes of an interstate like that. The State Trooper had the opportunity to write about a dozen tickets – his supervisor is gonna be upset.
Report Post »docgreen
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 6:29pmSnowleopard, your right! Its called, failure to pull over for an Emergency Vehicle! We used to call them in, when people were ignoring the lights and siren! Never if there was alot of traffic though!
Report Post »bikerr
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 6:30pmUnder the video at the top of story it says he was given a…snow ticket.. what is that?
Report Post »pajamash
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 6:31pmFrom the picture a lane was open to the left of the picture. I’m sorry but, no matter what you do, once there is an accident you have a BAD traffic situation. If I were a fire fighter I would want to limit the traffic to one side of the accident. If you open up the lanes to either side you have twice as much chance that some yahoo is going to come ramming into the accident scene making the situation worse.
Report Post »WAR PIGS CRAWLING
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 6:33pmDivide & Conquer….this helps neither agency in the realm of public opinion.
Report Post »912828Buckeye
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 6:37pmJust when you thought it could not get any worse…….
Report Post »Here comes the LAW to save you!
DashRipRock
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 6:37pmBROKER
Have you ever spend a lot of time with the Manson family?
Report Post »VanGrungy
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 6:37pmIt doesn’t matter… win or lose, the injustice system gets billable hours…
Just filling the docket…
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 6:54pm@Broker 0101
Welcome once again the master of the irrelevent posts. Nice to see you back from the other side of the looking glass.
Report Post »912828Buckeye
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 6:56pmWas the KILL switch just thrown?
Report Post »Ben41281
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 6:59pmIf he was eating a cup cake, they would have gone for the onsite execution!
Report Post »PA PATRIOT
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 7:03pmBroker 1
Report Post »I see your intellect is as inept as your language skills.
tower7femacamp
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 7:08pmThe TSA has announced its intention to expand the VIPR program to include roadside inspections of commercial vehicles, setting up a network of internal checkpoints and rolling out security procedures already active in airports, bus terminals and subway stations to roads and highways across the United States.
Up until now, commercial trucks and other vehicles only were subject to warrantless searches and radiation scans at specially designated “state-owned inspection stations” traditionally set up at rest stops next to highways. These internal checkpoints, run by Homeland Security, the Department of Transportation, and the TSA, involve trucks being scanned with backscatter x-ray devices in the name of “safety” and “counter terrorism”.
These inspection stations are now being expanded to normal roads and highways, unleashing an army of TSA agents who will be given a free hand to litter America with internal checkpoints in a chilling throwback to Soviet-style levels of control over the population.
“Inspectors from the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) are likely to be more involved in roadside inspections of commercial vehicles, according to TSA officials,” reports the industry website BulkTransporter.com.
”VIPR (Visible Intermodal Prevention and Response) teams can be extremely effective, serving as a visible presence that is random and unpredictable,” says William Arrington with TSA. “VIPR teams are an essential part of protecting highway transportation vehicles and other critical infrastructures.”
The video below shows the truck inspections which will now be expanded to cover the country’s road and highway network.
Report Post »http://www.infowars.com/tsa-invades-roads-highways-with-vipr-checkpoints/
technoid
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 7:13pmSeens they don’t check for common sense anymore when they pin on a badge
Report Post »HappyStretchedThin
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 7:13pmYes Broker,
Report Post »The Blaze has become SO irrelevant that you yourself have become a credential-carrying member, logging in and posting with your obvious class on.
I quote you from the last time I tore your illogic to shreds on this forum: “You’re right, I give up.”
fivebyfive
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 7:20pmStupid can raise it’s head anywhere
Report Post »TonyDarrington
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 7:42pmBroker does have a bit of a point. I thought the Blaze was supposed to be a solution to media bias, with original reporting and investigative journalism. So far it is really only a smattering of AP/ Reuters wires with some video clips thrown in to raise our hackles. Glenn, where IS the journalism? Is this the best the Beck media empire can do?
Report Post »ishka4me
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 7:49pmbad cops, bad cops, what ya gonna do, what ya gonna do when they come for you
Report Post »streetrodder
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 7:57pmI wonder if Eric Holder wrote the ticket.
Report Post »ozz
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 8:39pmThat is total crap Fire and Rescue has the same right to bypass normal traffic laws in order to carry out their duty as a police officer does. The fact he interrupted patient care in order to cite him could be considered negligence on the officers part depending on the patients status. Talk about adding insult to injury >.< Proper protocol would have been for the officer to move the vehicle himself.
Report Post »1proudAmerican
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 8:40pmIn New York state, this doesn’t surprise me one bit.
Report Post »chips1
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 9:20pmThe story points out the fact that this occurred on the highway and the Trooper assumes scene management immediately upon arrival. Also the Trooper has the responsibility to protect the other drivers on the roadway from being involved in a second or third accident which could result in additional injurys. At the scene being talked about. there can be only one in charge or it would result in every man for himself and this is chaos. At the scene of a building fire, the Chief would be the head organizer because of his training in those emergencies. Only having the info in the article to draw a conclusion, I would say that 20 years on the fire department were wasted for lack of learning the reasons for the chain of command. Also I predict that the judge will refuse to find a guilty judgement because the judge knows even less than the fireman.
Report Post »Cemoto78
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 9:46pmI wasn’t there, but, based on the little facts presented this looks like a true ******* match between the police and fire departments. If so, this is very juvenile and should be handled through the proper administrative channels. What ever happened to “ Protect and Serve”.
Report Post »dhert
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 10:39pmAnd the taxpayers lose… per the norm.
Report Post »jds7171
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 11:58pmIt is in NY, you couldn’t have expected anything better.
Report Post »docgreen
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 12:21am@chips1
My question is this, did you look at the pic? You can clearly see the chiefs vehicle parked in front of the wreck. The Left lane is clearly open small car driving bye. Then in the right lane, directly in front of the chiefs SUV is the accident, ahead of the crashed car is a tow truck, and another vehicle! Your telling me the chief should have moved his vehicle?
As far as scene control, I’ve seen a ton of accidents, normally any scene I’ve been on the SP does there work and lets EMS and Fire do there thing making sure everyone is safe! Do you extract people from cars, NO, do you wash down scenes, NO, do you put fires out, NO, do you set up landing zones, NO, do you care for Patients, NO, so your telling me your still in charge!
At the same time, I do respect you and your profession and have alot of great friends whom are deputies, state patrol, and city cops, along with fire and ems friends! All of them would agree, any accident scene where fires there, and or ems personel, we work jointly with SP or any other law enforcement agency!
When we start claiming scenes is when people die! One other thing, have you ever been to an accident scene, with hazmat? Who’s in charge there, the reason I ask, is this. Do you have qualifications in Hazmat, so at this scene would you be in control? I’m not talking a fuel leak either, I’m talking about scenes that make you glow in the Dark? Even if its on the Interstate, would you be in charge, or would the chief be in charge! Like I said, its not a P-ssing match!
Thats why I say, as long as that lane was open on the left, and other vehicles were in the right lane, it makes no sense that an SP unit would ask him to move his vehicle and or givie him a ticket!…… I can tell you thiis was just a P_ssing match for the SP and the Chief!… Think about this also, do you think this did anything for the State Patrol in the Community? Please read the blogs! I bet 99% were against the SP unit giving the chief a ticket!
What ever happened to patient care, if that was your mother, wife, family member, would you give a ticket or let them attend to the patient? Plesase keep in mind, its nothing against you! Patient Care, and Rescue were my forte, and Ive seen my share of P_ssing matches! I’ve been there and done that! I do want to thank you for your service also! Docgreen!
Report Post »Thecableguy
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 8:24amI’m wonder if the trooper ticked the accident victim for not moving there vehicle and creating bad traffic situation.
Report Post »maa
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 9:12amThis trooper needs a raise. Bless him.
Report Post »Mod30
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 9:33amI’ve responded to many an accident scene where first responders park their vehicles without concern for other traffic. Their job is to take care of the injured.
The trooper’s first priority is the safety of the accident scene so that no other casualties occur. Traffic control is the officer‘s forte’; caring for the injured and fire prevention is the chief’s.
Arrogance on either side is counterproductive for the citizens we serve.
Report Post »Bermuda Onion
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 1:50pmMaybe they’re from different UNIONS!
Report Post »piper22
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 5:55pmWhen will posters learn?
their = possessive
there = location
they’re = “they are”, state of being
Learn when to use each one!
Report Post »GUT_CHECK
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 6:16pmnews flash
cannibal constable grills fire chief
Ron Paul 2012
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