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First Human Trials for HIV Vaccine Starting in January

FDA Approves First Human Trials of HIV Vaccine Using a Killed and Modified Version of the Virus

Chil-Yong Kang is a lead researcher in the development and trials of the vaccine. (Photo: University of Western Ontario)

Researchers at the University of Western Ontario have been given the green light by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration to start the first human trials of a vaccine that could prevent someone from getting HIV.

Although the trials will only determine if the vaccine is safe — not how effective it is — lead researcher Dr. Chil-Yong Kang considers the approval to conduct a human trial with the vaccine a triumph thus far.

“FDA approval for human clinical trials is an extremely significant milestone for our vaccine, which has the potential to save the lives of millions of people around the world by preventing HIV infection,” said Kang, professor at Western’s Schulich School of Medicine & Dentistry, in the press release.

The university, along with Sumagen Canada, created the first vaccine of its kind in Canada — one of only a few being developed in the world — from a genetically modified, killed whole virus. Preliminary lab results show a good immune response and no negative side effects.

With the 30-year anniversary of the virus’ discovery little more than a year away, more than 28 million people have died from HIV/AIDS and more than 35 million currently live with the disease. Here Kang explains the trial and its significance:

According to the release, the SAV001 vaccine trials will be conducted in three phases:

  • Phase I, set to begin in January 2012, will double check the safety of the vaccine in humans, involving only 40 HIV-positive volunteers.
  • Phase II will measure immune responses in humans, involving approximately 600 HIV-negative volunteers who are in the high-risk category for HIV infection.
  • Phase III will measure the efficacy of the vaccine, involving approximately 6,000 HIV-negative volunteers who are also in the high-risk category for HIV infection.

The Montreal Gazette (via Gizmodo) reports that Kang told Postmedia News that if everything goes well with the trials a commercial vaccine would still be at least five years away. The Gazette reports that the trials will be taking place in the U.S. at select facilities with capability to conduct such trials.

As Kang said in the video, the vaccine is made much in the same way other common vaccines, such as the polio and smallpox vaccine. The whole HIV-1 virus is killed with chemicals and radiation and modified to not infect patients.

“So we infect the cells with a virus and then the infected cells will produce lots of virus and we can collect them, purify them and then inactivate them,” Kang said in the video.

Comments (69)

  • Mojoron
    Posted on December 21, 2011 at 7:50pm

    I got a cure for AIDS. Don’t have sex outside of marriage. AIDS, at one time, was the most preventable disease because it didn’t exist in the heterosexual population until IV drug addicts passed it around. Then people who got blood transfusions got it before a test was developed to detect it. Now, as Caveman states above, the prevalence of AIDS is in all walks of life and no amount of prevention short of abstinence will be effective. In order to stop disease you have to intentionally over inoculate to reach past the fringe of homosexuality and drug abusers. Those who just might have occasional drive by sex would have to be covered. With everyone “screwing around” at an earlier age the chances of having AIDS and/or STD’s is very likely. Now that STD’s have been identified as causes for throat cancer, you can’t even have a normal kiss without passing the DNA of every person who had sex with your boy-girl friend. This is not a problem that will go away with a shot in the butt.

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    • HuckleberryFriend
      Posted on December 22, 2011 at 2:24am

      While I agree that this problem won’t just go away with a “shot in the butt,” as you say, I feel like your perspective is way off. Since HIV/AIDS is contagious via blood, it is much more problematic than just drug use and sexual contact and always has been. (Google “Ryan White hiv” for an example.)

      Every doctor, nurse, paramedic, policeman, fireman, soldier, teacher, day care worker, and Good Samaritan have to be acutely aware anytime they come across somebody who is bleeding and what the consequences of exposure are. People have contracted the virus every way from unsafe blood transfusions to bloody noses. Unless you want to eliminate all human interaction, it will be a problem.
      (Google “Barbara Fassbinder hiv” for another example)

      If people stopped having sex and stopped using needles from here until the end of time, the HIV virus still has a chance to spread. While being promiscuous and using drugs vastly increases your chances of catching the disease, being afflicted with the virus has no reflection on whether the person is bad, good, promiscuous, chaste, heterosexual, homosexual, democrat, republican, sinner, or a saint. Anyone spinning it any other way either has an agenda or hasn’t looked at the facts.
      (Google “hiv babies” for yet another example)

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    • US_SOLDIER
      Posted on December 22, 2011 at 3:59pm

      I Am Legend anybody? lol

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    • US_SOLDIER
      Posted on December 22, 2011 at 4:23pm

      Phase III will measure the efficacy of the vaccine, involving approximately 6,000 HIV-negative volunteers who are also in the high-risk category for HIV infection

      aka minority people… watch out lol these pychos are coming for you again. Its cool though because the government has held a cure for it since 1997 http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=5676977.PN.&OS=PN/5676977&RS=PN/5676977
      The Army recommended when AIDS first showed up on the scene to isolate the victims, give them a comfortable life and the virus would have been contained. But naturally theres billions to made off of treating the disease not curing or stopping it before it spreads. Much as cancer and most diseases today are only treated not cured

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    • Ruler4You
      Posted on December 23, 2011 at 12:28pm

      The advent of popular “erectile dysfunction” drugs and the wide dissemination of it outside of “therapeutic” necessity along with a ‘female’ equivalent, now also widely available and the UN Agenda 21 doctrine being taught (unrestrained sexual activity is ‘good’ at any age) in conjunction with your listed examples make logic and reason the only escape route for the self conscious individual. As rampant insanity is the root of all of this. (http://www.ourcivilisation.com/moral2/test.htm)

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  • HuckleberryFriend
    Posted on December 21, 2011 at 6:09pm

    I think a working AIDS vaccine would be a wonderful thing.

    I do not understand some people who claim that HIV/AIDS is a punishment from God. .

    Lets say that 100% of the cases for HIV/AIDS were from the promiscuous and homosexuals and they have all sinned according to the Bible. (Of course, this is not true. For instance, some babies are born HIV positive through no fault of their own.) Remember the story from John 8:3-6. God believes in second chances! Leave the judgement to God!

    John 8:3-6
    3The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group 4and said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?” 6They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.
    But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. 7When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.

    9At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. 10Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”

    11“No one, sir,” she said.

    “Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your

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  • ronin_6
    Posted on December 21, 2011 at 4:16pm

    “He who refuses to embrace a unique opportunity loses the prize as surely as if he had failed.”
    William James 1842-1910

    Buy stock. Lots of it.

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  • hi
    Posted on December 21, 2011 at 3:56pm

    People in Canada go to jail of they infect their partner but did not disclose their status. They just changed that law and individuals will not go to jail if they infect someone with AIDS. So, the vaccine is a step forward to protecting. But laws such as this just give the go ahead to infect anyone without consequences.
    From Day One it should NOT have been classified as a disability but as an infectious disease. It is wrong that doctors and nurses have to risk their lives to take care of these patients. The transmission rate is low but no one should be forced to take such a risk. Now AIDS has spread so much when it could have been contained.

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  • MIlitary Nurse
    Posted on December 21, 2011 at 2:07pm

    I am reading some of these posts and I am a bit disturbed at the comments. What you ALL are forgetting, the fastest rising cases of HIV are NOT in homosexuals! And promiscuity is punishable by death!? WTF is that?! I am a Conservative leaning Independant and I give two %^&*# what 2 consenting adults want to do, but YOUR religious beliefs are just that…yours. Some of you want to gripe about “persecution” of the Christian belief and war and christmas and so on, but then you say crap like this you wonder WHY people are getting turned off to religion. A vaccine to help prevent HIV is actually a good thing, because not ALL HIV exposures are from gays.

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    • AvengerK
      Posted on December 21, 2011 at 2:49pm

      Yes..of course…however…55% of HIV cases in this country are from homosexuals who comprise less than 2% of the population. An over representation of 2,750%. Please….spare is your “but the fastest rising HIV cases” buffoonery. Promiscuity is rife in the male homosexual community. It’s not unsual for a homosexual to have had hundreds of partners in his lifetime. Again..please…spare us your insipid misdirections.

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    • Hova
      Posted on December 21, 2011 at 5:08pm

      Avengerk, would you mind posting your sources for these statistics? Thank you in advance.

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    • US_SOLDIER
      Posted on December 22, 2011 at 4:08pm

      @MILITARYNURSE Dont even get into with these people. This is not a conservative website under the veil. They lean more towards RINO republicans based on the majority of the posters here. Its the typical kill all muslims crusades mentality thats been going on for centuries. There is a few people here that seem to have some reason and understanding of how the world really is outside of the Mainstream media’s point of view. They think that because Fox or any place like this tells them something that it has to be true. I am a libertarian and think people should really mind their own business and stop worrying about what other people do. If youre a christian, which im not, then I think you should worry about your own salvation more than you worry about someone elses. This nation was founded on “SELF” governing, not a democracy aka mob rule

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  • MOLLYPITCHER
    Posted on December 21, 2011 at 2:06pm

    Who would intentionally expose themselves to a disease this horrible, to try to prove weather or not a vaccine is effective? Good luck finding volunteers for that.

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    • circleDwagons
      Posted on December 21, 2011 at 2:28pm

      there will be plenty of voluteers, people with risk at exposure to the HIV virus will be glad to be vacinated. ask health care workers.

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  • Lloyd Drako
    Posted on December 21, 2011 at 10:53am

    As one Florentine supposedly said when they burned Savonarola, “Praise be to God! Now we can practice sodomy again!”

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    • BDan6248
      Posted on December 21, 2011 at 11:47am

      Excellent observation. You’ve discovered their secret goal of making homosexuals immortal. You’d better head for the hills…

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  • knighttemplar999
    Posted on December 21, 2011 at 10:51am

    That’s good, now the third world people can get other STDs and then starve to death rather than die of AIDS.

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    • Detroit paperboy
      Posted on December 21, 2011 at 11:09am

      I do not get this whole gay thing, it can not be good for your anus, and damn, its gotta hurt like a mofo… How can anyone find that attractive ? I dont get it.

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    • Detroit paperboy
      Posted on December 21, 2011 at 11:11am

      Please, please, please…. Can Obama be first… Please !!!

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    • Lloyd Drako
      Posted on December 21, 2011 at 11:21am

      Your mistake lies in supposing that anal sex is all there is to male homosexuality. For some, it does not even enter in (pun intended).

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  • This_Individual
    Posted on December 21, 2011 at 10:43am

    NO! Don’t find a cure!!!!! It’ll piss off all of these Belammy socialists who would rather see every gay person die.

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  • steelfaith99
    Posted on December 21, 2011 at 10:27am

    I am a Biblical Christian and Christ is my LORD. However i have fallen into sin in my youth and have given into temptations. I repent and petition my LORD; His grace forgives me and even while i was a sinner. So I disagree with my brethren who are, for some reason, not sensitive to dire situations such as HIV infection. This happens to rape victims too. You are correct, promiscuity is a sin and deserves death. However i believe Christ has given us the grace of forgiveness and repentance. Therefore let us use our gifts, talents, and abilities to show Gods light and Love towards others. This in tern means having ALITTLE more compassion for the sinner caught in promiscuity. A cure for HIV is a blessing God is allowing us to live through. Rejoice, go and sin no more! Brethren i pray be the example of Christ; show His strength, justice, love, and grace by being in support someone stricken with such a disease. God is Judge and King. His Law is just and true. I am not advocating sex before marriage. I am saying we, as believers, should be rejoicing that the LORD has given us the talents and abilities to see healing and allowing US to partake in that.
    Notice how the HIV outbreak did NOT curb sexual promiscuity. Rejoice and let us change our families lives, teach our children, and our communities.

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    • This_Individual
      Posted on December 21, 2011 at 10:41am

      “promiscuity is a sin and deserves death” Are you friggin kidding?!?!?!?!
      Would Jeseus say that? Or would Francis Bellamy say that?

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    • Locked
      Posted on December 21, 2011 at 10:49am

      “promiscuity is a sin and deserves death”

      Only if you adhere to Deuteronomy without any regard for the New Testament. However, Jesus Himself forgave a woman for adultery; a charge even worse than promiscuity. John 10-11.

      So, if you follow the Old Testament, sure, it’s there. It IS in the Bible. But if you follow Jesus Christ, you’re very much in the wrong for saying it deserves death.

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    • caveman74
      Posted on December 21, 2011 at 11:16am

      Locked is correct. Old testament is history, new testament is law. You can die gay and be saved. I dont usualy bust out scripture but john 3:16 spells it out, and later in the book of john (I dont recall chapter and verse) we are told that whoever believes in christ has a guarantee in salvation. Anyone who says you can be saved through baptism and then fall from salvation is calling god a liar, and anyone who professes to know God must surely know that is a bad Idea

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    • steelfaith99
      Posted on December 21, 2011 at 11:39am

      You guys are missing the context of the message. Sin, in old and new covenant is worthy of death. It is spiritual and physical death. We are saved through God’s grace through Christ. However those of us who have a relationship with Christ KNOW that sin destroys the relationship and separates the holy spirits guidance. Sin is sin, is sin, and is sin. Gay, straight, black & white, purple and brown, green and blue; doesnt matter. The whole purpose of Jesus was to save us from sin and the Lord’s judgement. You guys took ONE sentence from my epilogue and misconstrued it lol… Jeeze

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    • AvengerK
      Posted on December 21, 2011 at 2:50pm

      THIS-INDIVIDUAL…all you have to do is look at how Christ treated Magdeline to know where he stood on promisciuty. He forgave the sinner if the sinner genuinely repented the sin.

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    • US_SOLDIER
      Posted on December 22, 2011 at 4:33pm

      You christians scare the crap out of me with your death for sin comments. Im not an religious person but I really dont think the big man upstairs woudl appreciate you trying his shoes on by passing judgement on other people. Are you not taught not to judge other people? Thats his job

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  • caveman74
    Posted on December 21, 2011 at 10:20am

    If you look at the history of this disease, it was diagnosed 30 years ago, but people have been mysteriously from colds and flues and other minor illnesses since the dawn of man. It is impossible for us to ever find patient zero for this epidemic. I misspoke when I said in previous threads that this is a punishment. After the new covenant signed with the blood of Christ God only exacts one final punishment on man. Everything bad he allows to happen to us (not cause) here on earth is only allowed to happen to serve as warnings. God is a patient and loving father. He allows us to stumble so we can learn, and choose the right path of our own free will. He will allow us to cure this disease, and only time will tell us if that is an outreach to those in need or if it is just one more case of taking one of the lords warnings and tossing it aside without a second thought

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  • kimberlyjesus
    Posted on December 21, 2011 at 10:00am

    Ha, Ha, Ha. GOD will burn your pharmacies and the cures you doctors think you can bring to mankind by end of next year. Man will rely on JESUS AND GOD FOR THEIR CURES. Also, sorry to say there will be no more hospitals either. GOD is done with you doctors thinking you can play GOD and chose who lives or dies. Your profits and life of luxuries will be down the drain.

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    • Sol Invictus
      Posted on December 21, 2011 at 10:30am

      Troll, troll troll troll.

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    • US_SOLDIER
      Posted on December 22, 2011 at 4:36pm

      You must be the next messiah and have radio communications with the man upstairs to be able to almost put an exact date and know what plans he is scheming on doctors. Get real buddy :|

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  • Lather
    Posted on December 21, 2011 at 9:54am

    @Baddoggy You are a seriously uneducated and deranged human. You clearly are too bigoted to learn any new FACTS beyond your insane views.

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  • piper60
    Posted on December 21, 2011 at 9:04am

    The Gay community should wake up to the fact that sleeping around only gives you momentary pleasure. The HIV that you will be more likely to catch, is a lifetime sentence.

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    • TomFerrari
      Posted on December 21, 2011 at 9:30am

      Restoring Love…
      Certainly you have heard by now that its not a disease just gays get.
      It plagues every promiscuous population.
      Problem is, it only takes ONE exposure, so even our children, or those among us, who fall prey to temptation even ONCE can be afflicted with it for life!
      Personally, I didn’t realize how many millions are living with it.
      Wow.

      They are in our prayers.

      “Charity for all, malice toward none.”

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    • mils
      Posted on December 21, 2011 at 9:44am

      I sincerely hope it works. It’s not only a “gay” disease.

      There are third world countrys that have so many children born with the disease.

      Education of the masses on HIV and AIDS just doesn’t seem to get through to some of them..
      …birth control in the water, or sprayed in the air.

      This would stop some of the suffering, I sincerely hope it works.

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  • captainbars
    Posted on December 21, 2011 at 9:04am

    They will never find/invent a cure or vaccine for aids/hiv or any other std. And I say never, because if they do, then that would mean that God is a liar, His Word untrue, for He states numerous times throughout the bible the consequences of sin. We bring a curse on ourselves when we rebel against the laws of God. I am convinced that there are countless people waiting for the day when an inoculation will be available so they thumb their noses at God and Christians, and do whatever they want.

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    • Locked
      Posted on December 21, 2011 at 9:16am

      “They will never find/invent a cure or vaccine for aids/hiv or any other std.”

      Like HPV, right? Or chlamydia? Or gonorrhea?

      Nice soundbite, but many STIs (the technical term used now) have vaccines or cures. AIDS has also been tentatively cured, but the process is expensive, very dangerous, and requires very specific conditions (a marrow transplant from an HIV “immune” person, a complete blood transfusion, and the luck that none of the contaminated cells were missed). Here’s the article if you want to know more:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1387837/Berlin-Patient-Timothy-Ray-Brown-cured-AIDS-getting-bone-marrow-transplant-donor-HIV-immune-gene.html

      Hopefully there will be a simpler and less risky cure one day. Until then, a vaccine would be fantastic.

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    • caveman74
      Posted on December 21, 2011 at 9:46am

      the promise god makes teaches us that even if we are saved our sin will cost us. no where does he promise sexual promiscuity will give us life changing illness. On the other hand, eradicating a natural predator within a biosphere (in this case the predator being the AIDS virus) throws the biosphere off balance and causes more complex problems. Predators keep populations in check by weeding out the week of the given species (in this case the week being for the most part indaviduals who engage in activities non congruent to the continuation of life. While that might sound bigoted, it is true weather gay or straight if you do not procreate then you draw resources from a population while not contributing to the gene pool of that population. Not only is “recreational sex” unchristian, it is also unscientific). Maybe we should focus on changing behavior patterns. We create a vaccine for malaria. And here decades later 3rd world countries still have the same water delivery and disposal systems with the added trouble of overpopulation and its pal starvation. I know it sounds cold but every time man tries to interfere in gods world the result is always worse than the problem. If we cure AIDS what new illness does that open the door for?

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    • Locked
      Posted on December 21, 2011 at 10:09am

      @Caveman

      “I know it sounds cold but every time man tries to interfere in gods world the result is always worse than the problem.”

      Define result in this case. Medical cures and vaccines, better nutrition, and understanding how diseases are spread have all helped let the population balloon to several billion people. Nowhere in Biblical times did we ever see such a growth of humanity. Sure, there are problems that came with it, but the fact is that people live healthier lives for longer times across the entire world now. Someone who would die at 25 a few hundred years ago would likely disagree with you saying that would have been better than living to 50 today.

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    • caveman74
      Posted on December 21, 2011 at 10:37am

      locked I think you are taking on over simplistic view to what I said. Advanced health, food storage, and technology are all positive things. Take my example of malaria for instance. We swoop in and give vaccine. Now decades later the same countries we “saved” are overpopulated, filthy, and famine riddled. We (as we always do because it is easy) treated the symptom (malaria) not the disease (lack of sanitary infrastructure. What would have helped these people more, billions of dollars in vaccine over the decades, or billions of dollars in plumbing, sewage, and a medical school? We went after the malaria (fairly successfully) and ended up with more death through famine, cholera, hiv/aids, etc. etc. We went after chicken pox and ended up with shingles. We went after a cold war Russia by funding and training Bin Laden and ended up with 9/11 and two wars. We are going after lightbulbs that use to much electricity and will end up with murcury in every house in America. When ever we go after a problem by just jumping in head first without stopping for a moment to say “yes we can do this, but what will happen once we are successful?” we almost always end up worse than we started.

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    • Locked
      Posted on December 21, 2011 at 11:17am

      @Caveman

      I agree that education and infrastructure would be a better investment than just vaccines; however, the vaccines themselves are not a bad thing. Saying “Hey, now that you‘re not drying of malaria you’ll just die from cholera or starvation” is pointedly overlooking the fact that they would have died from malaria otherwise.

      I absolutely agree that you need to treat the root of the problem, not just the symptoms. It’s the old proverb “Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.” But long-term goals also need to take into account short-term problems. You need to do both. If you teach a man to fish, he can still starve to death until he gets the hang of it :-) To go back to your malaria point, getting proper education and infrastructure means little to the man who catches malaria and dies in the meantime.

      As for super bugs like HIV/AIDS, yes, they are bad and worse than some previous ones. But that‘s just because we don’t have a cure. Before penicillin, syphilis would kill you. And even though AIDS had a chance to develop because the behavior didn’t change, that doesn’t mean much to the guy who would have died without penicillin.

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    • AvengerK
      Posted on December 21, 2011 at 2:53pm

      CAPTAIN…likely your’e right. The AIDS virus is super-mutanegenic. That’s what makes it so difficult to address. We’ve seen these kinds of tests conducted in the past with less than stellar results. I’m expecting the same with this one.

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    • AvengerK
      Posted on December 21, 2011 at 3:00pm

      Well LOCKED..let’s see where “education and infrastructure” has got us with homosexuals today. 55% of HIV infections in this country are attributed to male homosexuals. That’s from a group comprising less than 2% of the population. Clearly the “put on a condom” and “free condoms” thing isn’t working for the major demographic infected. What do you suggest we try next? Keep in mind male homosexual promiscuity is very high, a male homosexual is likely to have hundreds of partners in his lifetime this is why gonorrhea and syphillis are also very high among homosexuals. So what do we try sport? “Pretty please” perhaps? I know…you‘re a red ribbon guy aren’t you? That should do the trick. If everyone wears a red ribbon homosexual men will stop perpetuating their life endangering sexual practices.

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    • Locked
      Posted on December 21, 2011 at 4:45pm

      @Avengerk

      As infection rates for homosexual men have been dropping for years, I’d say education is working. The CDC figures Caveman and I have been posting say the same thing. No one is denying HIV is a huge issue for the homosexual male community, so I’m not sure what your point is.

      Actually, as the education and infrastructure comment was in reference to malaria and not HIV, I think you’re just trying to be contrary. Nice job trolling though! ;-)

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  • Slowman101
    Posted on December 21, 2011 at 8:56am

    @BADDOGGY: Wow dude, take your meds. Straight people can also get HIV. Gay people did not ask to be born gay. It happens. Please try to be more considerate of others. HIV is a nasty disease to have. As a nurse, I have seen numerous people die from it.

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    • Baddoggy
      Posted on December 21, 2011 at 9:11am

      Being gay is a CHOICE. God did not make people gay, they choose the lifestyle. Mean? No, my brother is gay and I love him. He is however SINFUL. That is the truth. But I guess you are an atheist or a homosexual, so you don‘t give a rat’s butt what God says do you?

      I can love the sinner but I can also hate the sin with everything in me. Deal with it.

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    • Locked
      Posted on December 21, 2011 at 9:18am

      “I can love the sinner but I can also hate the sin with everything in me. Deal with it.”

      Getting HIV is not a sign of God’s disapproval, unless you’re saying God hates indiscriminately. Again, the 1980s called: their want their ignorance back.

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    • Baddoggy
      Posted on December 21, 2011 at 9:36am

      Sin has consequences. That is the consequence.

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    • Locked
      Posted on December 21, 2011 at 9:57am

      “Sin has consequences. That is the consequence.”

      Or perhaps we’ve learned from the old medieval excuse “God did it” and we understand how diseases and viruses spread these days. Risky behavior is defined as “risky” for a reason. But saying HIV is a consequence of sin ignores the very real issue that it isn’t. Not everyone with HIV is guilty of sexual sins. Only 53% of new cases come from homosexual men.

      Interestingly, the population with the lowest infection rate is homosexual women. That right there should probably give you pause in saying “gays gets AIDS!”

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    • caveman74
      Posted on December 21, 2011 at 11:10am

      CDC statistics show that in 2008, 73% of persons living with a diagnosis of HIV infection were male adults or adolescents.

      Over half (63%) of adult and adolescent males living with an HIV diagnosis in 2008 became infected through male-to-male sexual contact, around 17% of those diagnosed were infected through injecting drug use and 12% through heterosexual contact.

      The majority of female adult and adolescents living with an HIV diagnosis in 2008 were infected with the virus through heterosexual contact (73%). Most of the remaining females were infected through injecting drug use.

      Of the 10,284 children living with a diagnosis of HIV infection in 2008, 9,038 were infected through mother-to-child transmission.

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    • US_SOLDIER
      Posted on December 22, 2011 at 4:46pm

      @BADDOGGY How do you justify gay animals if its a choice? and do they go to hell? If no animals go to hell then what is there function here on earth? God supposedly created them so they must serve a function and we do not eat every single animal that walks this earth so the food arguement is flawed. So they must serve a purpouse if god created them. If they have the choice between being gay or not then there must be consequences for the decision just as we supposedly have. Therefore, they must either go to heaven or hell or its not really a choice and they were born that way. Then we can get into plants. Do plants go to heaven? Some plants reproduce all on their own. Some plants spew their seeds all over the place. What if it lands on another male plant? That by definition is a homosexual act. Therefore they have commited a sin and should go to hell. See the craziness in your arguement?

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  • Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
    Posted on December 21, 2011 at 8:55am

    At the least they are on to the breakthrough to rid us of that virus. May it be a success in the near future.

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  • cvs334
    Posted on December 21, 2011 at 8:52am

    ok … a VACCINE … is something that improves one immunity, it does not CURE anything. So who is going to purposely expose themselves to death to see if this works? The only way to “test” this is to engage in activity that spreads HIV with an infected human.Would YOU volunteer to expose yourself to something will kill you as an experiment to see if a vaccine works?

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  • Baddoggy
    Posted on December 21, 2011 at 8:45am

    I am so glad my tax dollars can help the gay community to keep healthy enough to keep spreading the virus around. You are welcome.

    Personal responsibility instead of Government intervention is how this disease should be controlled. The human anus is not designed to be used like the gay community uses it. But heck…who else but me minds paying for others wreckless lifestyle? Vasoline on me fellas!!!

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    • Locked
      Posted on December 21, 2011 at 8:51am

      “I am so glad my tax dollars can help the gay community to keep healthy enough to keep spreading the virus around.”

      The 1980s called: they want their ignorant attitudes back. Gays have a higher chance of getting the virus, but I know two HIV+ people, both straight. One got it from a blood transfusion, the other from normal, every day, P-in-V intercourse. As a decent human being, any help for my friends is appreciated; a vaccine won’t cure them, but it can prevent others from suffering what they have.

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    • Baddoggy
      Posted on December 21, 2011 at 8:57am

      So you don’t think anal sex spreads this? You dont think anal sex was the cause of the blood supply being compromised in the first place? Reality called, your brain is dead.

      My brother is gay. I love him. His wreckless lifestyle is an example of how HIV got started…like sex with 15-20 men a night. The FACT that you can’t handle the truth is no concern of mine, other than I have to pay for this useless research that will never work, only make the virus WORSE in the long run as it strengthens it’s defenses. Wake up man! The wreckless are stealing your tax money and you think it’s OK?

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    • Locked
      Posted on December 21, 2011 at 9:11am

      “So you don’t think anal sex spreads this? You dont think anal sex was the cause of the blood supply being compromised in the first place?”

      Of course it does. Do you really think only gays get HIV? Your comment implies such, saying this is only for “the gay community.” Seems you’re the one with your brain dead and decaying.

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    • Baddoggy
      Posted on December 21, 2011 at 9:20am

      No sir…sin was the cause of the disease. Anal sex sin…sin spread it to the innocent. It lays at the feet of the gay community for all its damage.
      Did it start in a monogamous man/woman relationship? Nope, it all started with the gay community and is still being spread by the gay community by reckless irresponsibility. (I agree, it does spread in the straight community, but a very small fraction) Although many are catching on that multiple partners nightly and unprotected sex will most assuredly expose you to DEATH.
      Thinking that anyone can sure this disease is pure foolishness. It will NEVER be cured.

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    • Locked
      Posted on December 21, 2011 at 9:31am

      “(I agree, it does spread in the straight community, but a very small fraction) Although many are catching on that multiple partners nightly and unprotected sex will most assuredly expose you to DEATH.
      Thinking that anyone can sure this disease is pure foolishness. It will NEVER be cured.”

      Sorry if I over-reacted to your statement before. As said, I have straight friends who have this virus, one through no fault of his own. Saying it’s God punishing him is the height of hubris and ignorance in my book.

      As for the “small percentage” of new HIV infections being non-MSM, around 46% of new cases in the US are among heterosexuals (using CDC figures from 2006; it might be different now). Obviously it means the majority of new cases are still in the gay population, but many straight people are also infected.

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    • caveman74
      Posted on December 21, 2011 at 9:55am

      locked it is not ignorant to say this disease is punishment. Most heterosexual infections are a result of people engaging in the exact same sin as homosexuals, adultery (sex out of wedlock as defined in the bible). Throughout the history of man innocent people have died right alongside guilty. I believe God allows this so that we as a people don‘t just sit back and say We don’t have to do anything about that it only effects people who engage in “insert bad bad behavior here”. When everyone pays for the behavior of a few acting foolishly it makes us pay attention and hopefully try to address the offending behavior. I do not believe it is foolish to say it is a punishment from God but rather it is maybe just poorly articulated to say so

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    • Locked
      Posted on December 21, 2011 at 10:04am

      @Caveman74

      “locked it is not ignorant to say this disease is punishment. Most heterosexual infections are a result of people engaging in the exact same sin as homosexuals, adultery (sex out of wedlock as defined in the bible).”

      Most heterosexual infections are from breast feeding, actually. It’s the second most common transmission route overall for HIV, followed by using contaminated needles, followed by infected blood (especially an issue among health and hospital personnel).

      “I do not believe it is foolish to say it is a punishment from God but rather it is maybe just poorly articulated to say so.”

      I believe putting a religious spin on something unnecessarily complicates it and, even worse, makes some people feel justified in their disdain. In this case, people who hate homosexuals use religion to justify discrimination against them… although homosexual women are the most unlikely demographic to become infected with HIV.

      We’ve come a long way since medieval times, claiming disease is a result of God’s disfavor. Why do we need to go against hundreds of years of medical advances and claim that it’s a divine punishment rather than treating the matter as it is: risky behavior in many, and just bad luck for others?

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    • caveman74
      Posted on December 21, 2011 at 10:52am

      your numbers are flat wrong lock. here it is from the cdc
      Estimated adult and adolescent new HIV diagnoses in 2009 by transmission route and gender
      Transmission route Male Female
      Male-to-male sexual contact 24,132 -
      Injection drug use 2,652 1,520
      Male-to-male sexual contact and injection drug use 1,157 -
      Heterosexual contact 4,551 8,706
      Other 47 29
      Total* 32,538 10,255
      they list just over 10000 children infected in 2008 and of those just over 9000 were infected from the mother and it does not specify through breast milk. There were 13000 reported heterosexual contact cases. and I am sure you want to employ honesty into this debate so you are going to see higher report instance of child infection as they see the doctor constantly, as to where the twenty something crowd goes for years without a visit. 1 in 5 hiv carriers are unaware in the US and I am sure that is going to be in the 20 something crowd that rarely go to the doctor.

      I am not one of these no medicine freaks. I agree we should treat the sick. But I also think we should discourage behavior that creates illness. Before we knew what aids was there was a laundry list of stds that killed. As people lived through those the worst came along (AIDS) once we can live through that one what is next. Instead of throwing medicine at promiscuity over and over again, why dont we finaly say “you know what this lifestyle brings bad things to humanity, maybe we should address that”

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    • caveman74
      Posted on December 21, 2011 at 10:59am

      And for the record, anyone who uses christianity to hate, does not now Christ. Some of my best friends have been homosexual, I had gay roommates in my twenties, and I have lunch every thursday with a neighbor who is actively using meth. I don’t preach to these people, I just give them decent human contact. Because if you read the bible that is what God calls us to do. And because if i so much as tell my wife I did not buy a burger when I did then in the lords eyes I am just as dirty as anyone else on the planet

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    • Locked
      Posted on December 21, 2011 at 11:08am

      @Caveman

      The difference in numbers could be from the difference in years; as said, I used the 2006 data:
      “It shows 53 percent of the estimated 56,000 cases of new HIV infection in 2006 were among gay and bisexual men, and 46 percent of the infections occurred among blacks. Within the gay and bisexual group, young black men (13 to 29 years old ) were roughly twice as likely to get infected as young white and young Hispanic men. And among women, black women were almost 15 times more likely to get HIV than white women and almost four times more likely than Hispanic women.

      These new figures — highlighting which age, gender and racial groups are at higher risk — are based on data released by the CDC in August. Those numbers showed that new HIV infections for 2006 were 40 percent higher than the CDC had previously estimated.”

      The comment about the route of infection was from information while I volunteered at an HIV/AIDS testing center back in 2007, and was about worldwide infections, not US-centric ones.

      I agree that the behaviors should be modified to keep people safe. My main arguments in these comments have been:
      1. HIV is not a punishment from God
      2. HIV is not a “gays only” phenomenon
      3. Unless it’s ineffective or highly dangerous, a cure to HIV or a vaccine to prevent is NOT a bad thing.

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    • Locked
      Posted on December 21, 2011 at 11:20am

      @Caveman

      I also wanted to mention, it’s been refreshing to see your posts here. They’re well thought-out, to the point, and you use fact to back them up. Times like these I wish there was a rate-up or Like system here, because your posts deserve it. Kudos.

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